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Hello. Hi, Monica. This is Detective Partial. Hi, Detective. How's it going? It's been a month since Fabi was killed. Monica is keeping busy, seeing folks from well-off in time to time. Trying to figure out how she will support herself and the girls, now that her husband's gone. But there's no news on Fabio's killers, just endless replaying the details. Detective Jean Partial calls Monica to check in. "You weren't followed home from anywhere, from shopping,

“or I think you said you went to the gym that day?" "Yeah, me, my daughter went to the gym,”

run, run, don't second, please follow." The detectives are going over every angle. Perchol asks

Monica to walk him through the day of the murder. Again, was there anything out of the ordinary? "What gym did you go to?" "I haven't seen this." "Is there anything up there at the gym at all?" "No, no, no, no, no. It's pretty safe, not the weed, the odis." "Right. See, I got a no-bomptial news to give you anything like that. You know, that area over there has been hit by a lot of burden recruits, so we've got to go- "Yeah, but not murder." "No, Monica is anxious. There's still no leads."

"I have so many family and sons telling this that a private detective today?" "No, no, we'll be able

“to get this stuff, I think." So we're going to go on a couple of different crews that are working”

burglary in the area that we're trying to get into. Keep that in your hat, though, of course." "Okay, any evoc, anything that would, any DNA, anything?" "Well, again, that's far. That's evidence. So I can't discuss that. You know, I don't know if we had victims, us back, whatever." "That's evidence." "He says." "Can't discuss that." "Evidence that Robert Baker's DNA was all over Fabio's car." "We got some good stuff that we're looking at. I can't go on the details. This is the nowhere near

Incited Aiden, like a cold case. I think we're going to get this thing down for sure." "Preshaal is on a bit of a fishing expedition here. He knows by now that Robert Baker is involved. But is pretty sure he didn't act alone. There were two joggers and hoodies caught on the neighborhood cameras, running towards the house. And until they get to the bottom of this, the detectives are keeping the family in the dark." "Maybe tomorrow, my partner and I could come by,

and I just want to do a walkthrough with you and Jessica separately. You know, just where you guys went and what you saw, what you did, stuff like that, just to get a better idea on the sequence of events. So are you available tomorrow? Like what time you up? You guys up and up and away. "Oh, tomorrow, by 07.38 am. My cleaning way is going to be here tomorrow anyway. So we'll be all the up." "Well, we plan on eight o'clock." "Okay." "So plan on eight o'clock unless something

comes up and I'll give you a call, but eight o'clock should work for us." "Okay, thank you." "Okay, thank you, Hulika." "All right, all right." "The detective hangs up. They'll meet tomorrow, go over the timeline again, walk through the steps. That's all there is to it. Except the detective isn't showing Monica all his cards. And neither is she. From Sony Music Entertainment and novel, this is Cut Color Kill. I'm Jonathan Hirsch.

Episode three, award-winning performance.

I remember moving into my first apartment after it happened and the first thing I did was

thinking, "irrationaly that I had to do this to protect myself in some way." Luigi flew back to Toronto after his dad's wake. He hadn't heard much from the police after that and the reality of his father's death affected him in surprising ways.

I developed a sense of awful hyper vigilance, always feeling unsafe, feeling like I had to look

over my shoulder. Depression was coming and going and then would hit pretty hard not long after.

“I remember taking a semester off school and really not doing much else other than trying to find”

comfort in whatever distraction I could possibly master. For me, not dealing with it correctly at first, that involved a lot of binging, television, video games and food. He wants to believe that the police have the investigation under control, but as the days go by, the weight of the unknown weighs heavy on him. The uncertainty of not knowing, the uncertainty of having the truth of the matter held above our heads above the clouds is a form of agony in itself.

Little did they know a major breakthrough had already happened. Detectives were beginning to

piece at all together. Detective Ryan Werna saw the discovery of Robert Baker's DNA as a first step. They've got an aim and turns out he's got a record. He creates a snowball of work, right? So we get

“that and boom, we're pulling up rap sheets, we're pulling up images of this person, we're pulling”

up any kind of open source information about where this guy might work, where he lives, everything, right? There's a lot to know about Robert Baker. He was born in Germany as an only child. His dad was in the U.S. Army, so they moved all over, but he spent most of his childhood in North Carolina. When Baker grew up, he went into the Army as well. He served as a staff search and moved California. Now he lives a short drive from the cemetery home in Woodland Hills,

an a street called Independence Avenue. He works at the local LA fitness as a rackable coach, or the cemetery's go, but there's more. We find out that, you know, he's been arrested for sex offenses with a minor. We, you know, just all sources, it's like it's pouring in. In 1993, Baker was convicted of six different counts of sex crimes with a minor. The victim was 14 at the time. Baker was 31. He became a registered sex offender and was discharged from the

military under other than honorable conditions. After he got out of prison around 1997, Baker went into the adult entertainment industry. He started acting in porn films, including with the victim of his crimes. Baker then moved into the talent management side of the porn industry. This was his job until about 2015 when he started working at the gym. And all of this is how his DNA ended up on the police database.

Okay, so what do we need to do now, right? Well, we need to get surveillance up on this guy. We need to find out, you know, who he is, where he is, what he's doing when he drives, everything. So we have a unit that we've worked with a lot. It's called the gang field unit. And essentially, their job is surveillance. The gang field unit are used to working L.A.'s toughest crimes. Not gym coaches, suspected of murder. But Ryan knows them from years of investigating gang-related

murders. So he knows he can trust them with a case like this, where secrecy is crucial.

We get a hold of them and give them the load-out on the case, so they're like, yeah, we're in back wheel. The unit moves fast. They obtain warrants to track Baker. They cannot let him out of their sights. They start tailing Rob Baker all over the city, physically following him and his vehicles. And also installing a GPS tracking device is on his vehicle, so that he can be monitored remotely.

“They know where the vehicle is going to be and most likely where he's going to be, right?”

On the 19th of February, five days after the DNA hit, the surveillance team follow Baker to a sports bar called the Parlar. It's decorated a bit like a men's club, all wood and leather, and Baker's not on his own. Ryan Werna gets a call. It's just like, you're not going to believe this. We have Rob Baker and he just picked up Monica Simitilly. So that's kind of mind-blowing. What the hell is Monica doing with the cops number one suspect? A drink with a friend from the gym

or something more.

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Clean good? Then try the snack time-sushi box, a 225 gram for a 2-099. Or mochi sandwich ice. 8. For a new 99. That's good for all the price. Now in your filial. All the. Mm-hmm. All the. On the 21st of February, Detective Jean Perchall and Detective Ryan Werna pulled up at the Seventy-Lee residence in Woodland Hills. It's 8 a.m.

“Hello, is this Monica? Yes. Hi Monica. It's Detective Werna. Is that the partial?”

Oh yes, I'm going to open the gate. Thank you. It's all just as Detective Perchall told Monica on the phone the day before. They want her to walk them through the house. Tell them what she did on the day of Fabio's murder. 1. But this is not the Kenya refresh my memory kind of meeting Monica is being led to believe. The detectives are looking at Monica with new eyes.

And Ryan Werna knows exactly what he wants from this morning. We wanted to nail her down with more statements. We wanted to find out what was really going on. And, you know, kind of double little deeper into Rob Baker and what was all going on. We had recorders going the entire time. I just put them at pocket and we recorded the entire encounter. Uh, if we can go, uh, front of you.

Werna and Perchall have Monica retraced the path of the crime scene from when Monica first noticed Fabio's

Porsche wasn't in the garage. Oh, that was already home. That pulled in and that's all the garage open. But his car wasn't here. Okay. So I've walked out and walked into the door. On the day of the murder, the DVR and the garage was removed. The wires could be seen sticking out of the wall when Ryan Werna walked the crime scene.

It's a vital piece of evidence. There could be footage of the murderers stored on the cloud. They need Monica to help them access it. I checked everywhere there was no papers of the extupid DVR thing.

“I checked everywhere there checked all these areas. There's nothing. Did you guys get a new DVR yet?”

Well, that's state parks going to come in. They're going to replace all these things. Okay. The detectives continue their walk through to the patio where Fabio was found bleeding out. Yeah, I can hear it. Yeah.

Sorry, I've removed this with the accident, but it's over there every day. Okay. He was, you saw Fabio here? Yeah, on the, already on the ground. The detectives ask Monica to go back over the details of that night.

The ransacked bedroom, the jewelry and cash that went missing. The blood that was found at the scene of the crime. It's also relaxed. They're just here to find out if anyone's driven Fabio's car. If anyone's been hanging around the house, no names, no accusations.

Then they get to the real reason. They're here. They want to know the same thing I do. You do. What's going on with the racquetball coach? We just casually ask, hey, you know, anybody else that's, you know,

involved in your life that, you know, we don't know about. Okay. And then who else is part of that, Jim friends? Oh, my gosh. Wow. How am I Jim friends? The detectives steer the conversation.

Tamanica's friends from the gym. And who are the who your, at least is your best? Well, if you're one of the least on this thing. Okay. She starts naming off some of these female names and she goes

"Fay" and, you know, a few other people. So prior to Fabio's death, the only Jim friends in the Vendor house would be... Paulia Lee's in "Fay". Okay.

“We're hoping not to lead her into the fact that we're looking at Rob, right?”

We're looking at everybody. Let's see, uh, guys in. Paula. Um, Rob, he's a lead director for a racquetball. I wasn't a racquetballie. Was Rob's last name?

I think it's painful. Monica says she thinks Rob's last name is Baker, but the detectives have been watching her for the past week. And they can see that she knows a lot more about Baker than just his last name.

Since the night, the LAPD first spotted Monica and Robert Baker out together,

a team of plain clothes surveillance officers have been tailing them, noting down their every move. They're going to Hollywood. They're going to comedy clubs and bars and restaurants. They're having the time of their life. It's like they're out there dating.

It's more than just a friendship. There is a sexual relationship going on. They're seeing, caressing each other, kissing each other. The detectives were getting a picture of Monica that couldn't be more different

With her family and with her friends, she's this, you know, morning widow and can barely function and not wearing makeup and barely getting out of bed and boom, she's out at night clubs. I am not here to judge anyone's grief. Go out, let off steam. Everyone has their way of grieving.

And yes, Monica has always been glamorous.

She's immaculately turned out on Fabio's arm and every photo I've seen of them, but the Monica detectives are watching is something else. She's ultra confident, who virtually sexual. There were times that they were out in Hollywood where they were followed into a bar, some sort of die bar,

and Monica comes back out by herself. And she's basically feeling up the bounce for who's outside, touching his inner thigh and kissing him. So, yeah, weird, like, you know, odd behavior, but it didn't appear that Rod Baker had an issue with this.

So before Fabio's death, she had never been there.

I know. I've always been there. I know. I've always been there. I know. I've never been here before. I thought it was. Monica tells the detectives that only a couple of her gym friends have been to her house.

“Rob, this guy she can't remember the last name of, has never stepped foot on the property prior”

to Fabio's murder. They had been here before. Yeah, yeah. Okay, so I was all those used in just the least and they had been there. Yeah, as far as I can remember. That's another red flag. Because that same visit, Ryan and Gene interviewed Jessica, one of Monica's daughters, too. And she tells a very different story.

Jessica told us that Rob Baker had actually stayed in the house one night, found Rob Baker in Monica's bed that he had basically had too much to drink, and I don't know if he passed out, but he'd gotten sick that night. And so he was a lot of staying in Monica's bed. That was a story. So that was a interest, right? It's a direct connection to the house where the murder happened that Rob had been there. This is not a good look for Monica.

The detectives now have proof that she's lying to them about her relationship with Baker. And now they have reason to believe he's even been in the house. It's kind of baffling.

“Did she think her daughter wouldn't remember the rack-a-ball coach waking up in her mom's bed?”

That's a detail that might seem important after a murder. And that it wouldn't seem just a bit strange that she can't remember his name, but her daughter sure can. The detectives are thinking the same thing, but they don't want to push their luck. It's a bounty act at this point, right? You don't ask the wrong questions or press too hard. For now, they've got what they came for, but it's going to open up a whole bunch of new

questions. All right, I think that's good for now. All right, I think that's good for now. All right, I think I'll take care of one. Thank you. Thank you. The detectives drive away from woodland hills, mulling over what they've learned. They've caught Monica in a lie, but they don't yet know how far the deception goes. Monica would have every reason to lie to cover up her affair. If this thing with Baker came out,

especially right now, it'd be more than just a scandal. It would devastate her grieving family, and Fabio's. That might be all there is to it. And that's exactly what the detectives

“have to figure out. I think there's two options, right? Either Rob Baker acted along, or”

potentially that Monica's involved, and getting to a point where you can answer those questions is difficult and very difficult. Winter and Los Angeles gives way to spring. The hillsides are greener. The cold nights begin to warm up. The dry breeze loses its bite, and the detectives bite their time. They keep stringing Monica along with vague updates about the burglary investigation.

She kept saying that the police is keeping her in the dark. She doesn't know anything. She was kind of mad, kind of mad at them. By now we know why the cops aren't telling Monica much. They aren't sure whether she was involved in the murder plot. But Fabio's beloved friends, friends like Carol Quota, they're worried about Fabio's widow. Monica has been posting a lot on Insta about how hard she's finding things. How Fabio was the love of her life and you know,

it'll never be the same without him and all of these things. We all fell for her really,

really bad. Like what can we do to make her feel better?

having a blast and having a torrid affair. She wasn't sitting home morning to love of her life.

One day in March, Carol was at the office when she gets a call from Monica. Hey, I'm planning a weekend with my girlfriends to Vegas. Do you think I could potentially get a deal or a calm through or a discount or something? The well-a-team have connections in Vegas because of the big hair shows they run there.

“Carol is only too happy to help. Vegas wouldn't be in my choice, but if that's what she wants to do,”

great, you know, it's good that she's maybe coming out of it a little bit. Let's contact Melanie

and I'm sure she'll have a way to give you a good deal.

On March 23, the LAPD surveillance team receives an alert. Monica's in Vegas at the Vidara Hotel, a huge five-star skyscraper on the center of the strip for her girls weekend. The detectives obtain surveillance footage from the hotel. Monica isn't there on a girl's trip. She's on a wild weekend away with Robert Baker. Monica isn't just lying to the police. She's also deceiving her friends and family and the surveillance reveals just how intense this affair is.

This wasn't a woman who was grieving but rather involved in a very intense sexual relationship

“not just with Baker but with numerous third parties that they were swinging with.”

In the LAPD County DA's office, deputy DA Beth Silverman is getting across the case. The daughters were being left at home alone at night while she would go out which was extremely bizarre behavior for someone who had been married for almost 20 years. Silverman has prosecuted crimes for LA County since the mid-90s and she's a formidable presence because she's not just any prosecutor. The typical cases that I've handled here in the major crime

division for the most part have been co-cases and most of them involving serial killers.

According to LA magazine, her nickname is The Sniper because she's never lost a murder case.

The summer before fabulous death in 2016, she was lead prosecutor in the trial of Lonnie Franklin,

“a serial killer known as The Grim Sleeper. He was convicted of murdering 10 women and attempting”

to murder another. Silverman argued forcefully in court that Franklin should face the death penalty. The judge and jury agreed. Silverman got the cemetery case in February. She'll be the one who has to make the call on whether to file charges. So detectives Verna, Pershal, and their team want Silverman's opinion on their evidence. We don't want to rest them early on and have the prosecutor go, yeah, you guys don't have enough, right? The detectives run Silverman through what

they've got so far. There's the surveillance and the DNA. They've also launched a major digital forensic investigation in Demonica and Rob. They were already looking into things like backup data, like eye clouds, and drop boxes, and email accounts, and a lot of subpoenas were being issued a lot of search warrants were being written. Silverman assesses the case. For Robert Baker, they already have a lot to work with. The blood at the crime scene tells a tale,

Baker's movements on the night of the murder. He had cut his finger during the attack on Fabio and tracked Fabio's blood from the bottom of his shoes into Fabio's Porsche, as well as leaving behind his own blood inside the Porsche. Based on that, and his relationship with Monica Cementilly, we believed we had sufficient evidence to charge him in February. But now Rob Baker isn't the only suspect. A new department, the Robbery Homicide Division, is being brought on to the case.

More manpower, and more special resources. All trained on Monica. The Black Dahlia murder of 1947 is arguably California's most notorious unsolved case. It's only rival might be the Zodiac murder's a generation later. Now, an amateur sleuth is attracting attention with the claim that the same killer is responsible for both cases. I'm Christopher Gofford, host of Crimes of the Times. Check out our new season on YouTube,

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You can't rationalize that you can't figure it out. There was rampant speculation about everything,

“but every wild theory was wrong. Because the truth was even more unbelievable.”

What? Is anyone hearing what I'm hearing? And even more heartbreaking. The uncertainty of not knowing is a form of agony. From Sony Music Entertainment and novel, this is Cut Color Kill. I'm Jonathan Hirsch. Cut Color Kill is available now on the binge. Search for it wherever you get your podcasts to start listening today. Subscribers to the binge can listen to all episodes, all at once, and free.

Hello. Hi, Monica. Yes. Hi, this is Detective Partial. Oh, hi. How are you? I didn't call me back and so long. Behind the scenes, the investigation team is growing, but Detective Partial is still the point of contact for Monica, and she is desperate for updates. Okay, tell me, I'm sick here. I just need some note that you're something going on. You're working on something.

Definitely are working on some stuff. Definitely are working on some stuff. Monica isn't only interested in the investigation. There's also something else on her mind. I just got a text two days ago from Fabio's HR team. They said if I could follow up with LATD

“'cause they're waiting for some confirmation. I don't know if I think I'm across your desk.”

I think I should do with insurance or something. Or you talk to like a life insurance policy. I like his work this year. As part of his package at Wella, Fabio's emitility had a life insurance policy.

It's a policy of 1.6 million split between the kids in Monica,

but she hasn't received her portion yet, yet. This one confirmation may need to hear from the LAPD. I don't even know if it's at Wella. The life insurance will contact us to make sure that the people that the money is going to release too are involved or being suspected being involved in the case. So we obviously couldn't tell the life insurance company to release the funds, knowing that she potentially could be involved, but we couldn't tell her that.

Burna and Pershal can't afford to let Monica know that she's a suspect. I don't like lying as a person. I don't do it routinely, but in this job there's times where he kind of have to. You just, you don't have an option. You got to hold your cards close to the best. So detective Pershal keeps making excuses. That life call is responding already. Saying that there's only one last confirmation they need.

I guess they knew that writing, "I don't know. I don't know. I don't know." Like, I told them what my opinion was on this thing, but they wanted something writing and that's what the department is resisting at this point. Monica is not happy. She starts getting agitated about the delays. I don't know what else to do. I just don't know what to do and what to say. I don't know what to do. Over at the LA County DA's office, Deputy District Attorney Beth Silverman

finds all of this very interesting. We started issuing subpoenas for insurance policies and financial records. It became very clear that she was from day one interested in obtaining the insurance proceeds from Fabio's murder. If anything we can do, just speak this out by just don't provide it for what's happening within the next week to week here day to day. So so many things have been so clear. Beth Silverman, the sniper, has seen all of this before.

Lust and greed are classically strong motivators in these types of conspiracies. It's a very classic and very bold motive when you combine that with numerous lies she told about Baker or relationship with him not even knowing his last name. We strongly suspected that

“she played a key role in creating a timeline and communicating that to her lover and whoever the third party”

was in order to be able to have access to her husband. This is huge. If Beth Silverman is right,

Monica may be in a conspiracy to commit murder. But there's at least one crucial piece of the puzzle

that the investigators still don't have. We knew that we were going to need to have access to their

If you talk to a good defense attorney they'll tell you that circumstantial evidence is bullshit.

“The team need digital forensics all over this, coming their phones for hard proof that”

Monica has pulling the strings. And to access those phones they're going to need to bring the investigation out into the open. They're going to need to arrest Monica and Robert. But if the investigators make a move too soon, they could blow the whole case. Detective Vernon knows the moment they let the two suspects know they're under investigation, they'll change their behavior. They'll go to ground. There's no more communication,

there's no more meetings, there's no more anything it's done.

While the cops are preparing to close in, Fabio's family and friends are still completely oblivious to the game of cat and mouse. It's playing out. Fabio's work friends are organizing

“a tribute to him at the upcoming trend vision awards, while his annual hairdressing competition.”

Carol Portot and Melanie Garabay head over to the Winlin Hills House to visit Monica. We wanted her to do a memorial presentation and we kind of outlined what we wanted her to do at the show. So she's like, I want to come up. I want to have the girls come up. I'm like, okay, we'll all script it out and you know, just great. She was a little bit dismissive and it's like, yeah, that sounds great. Okay, yeah, you guys got it. That looks really good. That's awesome.

And then she proceeded to take us to the garage to show her brand new car that she just had gotten. It's a sleek black top of the line forward Mustang GT. Monica says she's traded in Fabio's old truck for it and there was a lot of effort. Apparently she had gone to the dealership so many times and they wouldn't hear it, they wouldn't work but she had played the grieving widow and because of that, God them to take the truck back and give her that car instead. And when

thing that is seared in my memory forever, she said, you would have been so proud of me. I given award-winning performance. And I'm like, why would I be? That was my question. Like, why would I be proud of you? It was weird. It was very weird. If Monica thought that performance was award-winning, it's nothing compared to what she does next. On the 11th of June, the investigators are planning to make their move. And Monica is in Toronto

at the Mirror Awards. It's basically the Oscars of Canadian hairdressing. And Monica is certainly

dressed for the occasion. She glides onto the stage in a dramatic one-shoulder evening gown, covered in flowers, the layers of chiffon shimmer in the spotlight. Alongside her, hairdressers and models line the stage, they're all friends and former colleagues who worked with and loved Fabio. Each one of them has recreated an iconic look from across Fabio's career as a tribute to him. Centre stage, Monica steps up to the podium. She's here to collect a posthumous lifetime

achievement award on Fabio's behalf. As she gives a speech, tears streamed down her face. It's hard to read what's going through Monica's head in this moment. And she accepts the award, all the while, knowing the depth of her relationship with Baker, what she feeling guilty, certainly her display of grief is painful for everyone to watch. If she is involved, she's hiding it well, no sign of laying low. She's willing to quite literally step into the spotlight.

Even this affair with Baker, it's blatant. If she conspired with him, she's making no effort to hide their connection. Then again, maybe she thinks she has no reason to hide. She's got no clue that Baker is implicated in her husband's murder or that law enforcement

“are biting their time, waiting for their moment to arrest her. But she's just made a crucial mistake.”

Right before Monica left Los Angeles for this trip, she got an email from the detectives. The insurance money is coming through. We've got the sign off. The secretary is going to get it facts over. It should be hitting the insurance agency in the next day. After months of waiting, this is the news Monica has been desperate for. She takes a screenshot of the email and sends it to Robert Baker. But there will be no sign off. No planned release of funds.

performance. Designed to keep her from hassling them about the insurance money. To buy them

“time while they prepare to move in on her. Next time on cut, color, kill, an audacious undercover sting”

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