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“- Oh, look at you with your LA King's hat, all right?”

- It's hockey season, it's the money. We have been there and now from the Rangers, so here we go. - Oh, we lost, we lost, we all in the Olympics, but that's all the anti-show talk.

Let's go to the Olympics. - Okay, let me ask you the poll question. Would you rather win the Olympic gold or Stanley Cup? - I probably rather win the Olympic gold, but if I was Ken Marrow,

I might take the four Stanley cups that he won with the New York Islanders in the wake of his gold medal in Lake Placin. But I mean, there's nothing like an Olympic gold medal. That's gotta be at the very top.

- You know, the first professional hockey game I saw in person was Ken Marrow's goal at Madison Square Garden. And my producer, who was from New York, says, "Just to let you know, not all hockey games are like this." - No, they're not.

You know, I was thinking last night, Dan, is hockey the only sport we're at the end of the game. The fans are more exhausted than the players. It's, I mean, and also I keep thinking, Jason Gray had a fantastic column in the Wall Street Journal

and a number of them passed a couple of days, but the other day he described hockey as croquet for people who like running on the tops of speeding trains. - It's perfect. - Gonna take a little bit of a visualized that.

But you know, but of all the sports,

hockey always delivers more consistently

than the other sports when it comes to a big game. A game seven, a playoff hockey. It's just, there is something about it that's different than every other sport. - Especially when it ends in like 140 in the morning,

we've seen a few of those games. It's phenomenal. The other thing about hockey is, it's so continuous. I mean, I was texting with Doc Rivers, my old NBA partner in the Milwaukee Coach yesterday,

and I'm going, is anything better than hockey? And he goes, well, the NBA. I said, Doc, I said, the last two minutes of a hockey game can take two minutes. The last two minutes of an NBA game.

You need a calendar. He said, I know, and he said, I talked to Adam about it all the time. They got to fix that.

“Did you do play by play at all when you're watching yesterday?”

- Not really. I just enjoyed the game, sitting back and being a fan.

The Kenny did a tremendous job, Kenny Albert, and Eddie Old Czech is phenomenal. Eddie's the best.

“What did Eddie say yesterday, when Brad Marchant,”

you know, who gets him in the face of the American team, right in front of the bench, and Eddie was talking about how much Brad likes to talk, and he said he can talk as stamp off an envelope, which is phenomenal wine, just great.

- It doesn't seem like it's 46 years ago that you gave us miracle on ice, no way, man, no way. But it comes in and it goes. I mean, the story is still great. People still love the story.

They'll resonate for the rest of my life clearly, and a lot of other people's lives. But it was just, it could not be replicated. You know that, because that game was so much more than a hockey game.

You needed to know nothing at all about hockey or care about hockey. That was all about us and our art-genuity, and we're actually playing with amateurs and they're playing with, in effect, professionals.

In our home country, in a game where somebody asked me what the draft Kings might have had that game at, back in 1980, 50 to one, 60 to one, you name it. It was a massive, massive, massive. - But the fact that it wasn't for the gold,

and the amount of pressure that was now on Team USA, that you can't come this far, and you don't win the gold medal,

“but can you remember what that feeling was like”

or what these players talked about? - Well, I remember vividly in the next game against Finland, Sunday, morning in Lake Plaston, they were down to the one, into the second period, and that's the famous herb Brooks quote

before they took the ice in the third period. If you lose this game, you'll take it to your effin' grave, and he said it again, and the boys,

basically said herb Brooks never swore,

but that was the one time he swore. And if you think about something that rang so true, if those guys had gone through the rest of their lives and had lost the game in the Finland, people would go, "Let's let me get this straight.

You beat the Soviets and you lost the Finland." So, they came back and won the game, had it kill a penalty to the end of the third period, leading three to two, and got a short-handed goal. So, that was gigantic, people didn't forget.

In those years, it wasn't like it is now where you have a semi-final game, and then the final, they had a round robin'. We played the Soviets on Friday, Finland on Sunday, and here we go, 46 years later.

- What would that have done to your call if they don't win the gold medal? - Do you believe in debocals? (laughing)

“I think that's what the Soviet announced”

and must have said at the end of Friday. - Oh, thank you. - I think about that. I don't even want to think about that. None of those guys do.

That would have been just horrendous. - Yeah, horrendous. - Did you have a backup call for do you believe in miracles? - No.

- Dan, I walked over to the arena with a great late Ken Dryden that day, and I said to him, I said, "Candy, we can only hope "to keep an audience that the game is something "like three to one, no worse in three to one,

"middle the second period.

"Otherwise knowing, ruin our lives, "run the ABC sports in those days, "he would have brought you women's ordnals, "or something or sea flying, or something, or sea jumping. "They would have kind of waved from our game."

So I had, there was no chance the US could win that game. None. Kenny and I have been out to the Soviet Union, and he played against them. We saw them.

We weren't a match for them. So when that game was one, one, two, two, three, two, of Soviets, then we got a tying goal, then a rosy-only scores at the 10-minute mark of the now, it's like whoa.

So I'm not thinking about anything to say at the end of the game, but it's just so crazy, this can't be happening. But at the end of the game, the Soviets were putting intense pressure on the US,

and I'm just calling the game.

The second could have ended with a goal by the Soviets,

or a great save by Jim Craig. So I don't have, in my mind, I can't think of something to say, because I'm gonna call that game right to the very end. And I got very lucky when the puck came out

to center ice with that five seconds to play, and now I knew the Soviets couldn't mount another attack, and the word that came into my head was miraculous. It got morphed into a question and an answer. I had no idea of the impact of what I said,

or even what I said at the end of the game, I was working in such an intensive state of concentration, but here we are.

- Did you ever hear the Soviets call? - Well, that might have been the debacle of the goal. No, I never heard that call. - Yeah, I have an either, I'm curious though, how that, because of the importance of hockey,

and you're a hockey power, and people pay a price in some of these countries when they disappoint. And I'd be curious how the Russian announcer called that. - I think he had to be stunned.

First of all, they never lost.

So people also forget that the Soviets down by a goal, and putting the pressure on in the American and never even pulled the goal, they basically probably never practiced it. - Oh, well.

- They don't lose, so they're gonna have a six on five at the end of the game. But you know, Dan so many things I'm thinking about this morning too. So when I'm a kid in the '50s and '60s in New York,

and I love the Rangers, and in the NHL most years, there were like two or three or four guys born in America. In the 1980, I think I looked it up there were like 8% of the rosters were American born. Now, it's 30%.

“So what 80 did, and I think what the yesterday did is,”

it makes kids more excited. More kids are gonna play hockey now, because of what took place yesterday. Wow, look at this. And they play it all around the country now.

And again, when I was a kid, the number one draft release in the NHL

would always be a kid born in the most Joseph's catch one,

or in Northern Manitoba. But one of the seven moments to me was the American captain, Austin Matthews, who was drafted number one by the Toronto Maple Leafs about 10 years ago, and you know, played extremely well

in the Olympics. Austin Matthews grew up in Scottsdale, Arizona. That moves just a long way from most Joseph's catch one. - So that's where the sport of hockey is coming, it's great. - We're talking to Elmocchio, Elmocchio's the Hall of Famer.

It's almost like what the dream team did to the rest of the basketball world, maybe the 1980 Olympic hockey team, what that did to U.S. hockey. - Oh, for sure.

No question, Bees. I mean, even Jeremy Roanick, who went into the whole thing that had great NHL career, Jeremy said that he would watch that tape, and that would inspire him to play hockey

and be a great hockey player. I'm sure he's not alone in that regard. So there's no question that in 1980, that made a lot of kids more interested in playing. I thought HBO did a fantastic documentary in 2001,

that helped miracle came out in 2004 with Kurt Russell. That's certainly helped, because all the kids have now seen that. And now, well, you have, well, by the way, Netflix has a documentary,

which has been out about two weeks ago. The miracle, the boys of 80, which is phenomenal, they brought all the guys back to late-class, you know, four and a half decades later. And, you know, you see a part of the game, obviously,

but you hear about those guys in their lives and what that meant to them. It's a phenomenal documentary, Netflix. - Did you save notes from the miracle on ice?

“You know, I think I had some in a folder, probably,”

in a storage bit or something, but I, you know, I didn't have that many notes. I just, you know, you did it on the fly. So, we were doing a lot of games, so I had it all over with those other teams,

dude, Norway, Sweden, Czechoslovakia, who we beat in that game, but I had done, you know, and people said, well, how did you get all those names down? I said, hold on a second, I started my career in Hawaii, doing another sports,

including high school basketball, where we had five soloins on a fast break, and the ball goes loose. And it's going back, I said, believe me, that paid off in the out-of-runbacks for me.

- How many more hockey games did you do after the 80 Olympics? - After the 80 Olympics I did. I did the 84 Olympics, we did, but our team wasn't very good, so Kenny, Dryden and I did those games,

but they would, you know, come to us for like 15 minutes

at a clip, because we were always losing,

and then an 88 I did it again in Calgary, but we weren't very good. So it wasn't, it wore no semblance to like classes, and then when ABC got the NHL rights in the mid 90s, then it's once an estimate to do a couple of games,

so I did two Kings Calgary playoff games, I think in '93, and then I wanted to do Wayne Gretzki before he retired, so the Kings were playing in Chicago. I always wanted to do a game in Chicago stadium,

and that's it, that's it, so I've done a handful of games, but I love hockey, you know, I'll be there, unless you kind of like David in person, so that serves in the Edmonton at the Kings, I'll be there.

- How many hockey games had you done prior to the 80 Olympics? - One, (laughs)

“1972, I think I told you, I've told you this story”

about, I want to stay, I remember it's, I'm the kid on the staff, it's Mount Rushmore, Howard Koso, Jim McKay, Keith Jackson, Frank Gifford,

I wanted speech skating, because Eric Heide was going to be the big start, and he did win the five gold medals, but they gave that to Keith Jackson, and they gave him hockey, and I said,

I'll let you know, when I'm a Olympics,

it's always good to have an indoor sport, right,

for starters, and I love hockey, and I was the one guy on that staff. Nobody else had done the game, I didn't have one game, and I knew what icing and offside were,

“and that's how I wound up getting that assignment”

at Lake Lesard, and that's is that. Would you rather be Michael Ruzioni or Jack Hughes? - Oh, it's interesting, well, this morning, probably Jack Hughes, but over the course of time, Michael Ruzioni, you guys have a pole going on,

where you rather be used, me or Kurt Russell? - Yeah, well, I'm gonna take whatever votes I get, and I'm gonna, I'm gonna apportion them to a Ruzioni Craig and her Brooks, yeah. There you go, there you go, yeah.

If elected, I wouldn't let serve, what can I tell you? - And I don't, I mean, Jack Hughes probably doesn't even realize how big this is, you know, this is one of those viral moments, this is forever.

That look, it's teeth being chipped,

you know, dripping in the flag, your brother's there, the good-row moment, I mean, it was, it was movie-like, the interview with Katherine Tappen, how was that? How great is that? You know, at a time when so much is politicized,

then you know, and people were going this way in that way, and a lot of people were going, I don't hear that, and what Jack Hughes said at the end of the game, I thought it was phenomenal. It couldn't have stripped of that, you know,

how much it meant to him, how much it meant to be a part of this country, and the affiliation that he has, you know, and what it means, it was, I mean, you're right, you couldn't have put that in the movie. But the question now is, does Kurt Russell,

does he play Mike Sullivan in the next movie or what,

“you know, the thing goes on the line, doesn't it, yeah?”

- It does. - 46 years ago. - 46, oh, well, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's insane. Everything's 46 years ago to be announced, it's wild. You know, you and I, in which we live at our love

of Johnny Bench and I announced, you know, for the reds and you were such a fan. So this past baseball season, there was a game that had ended on catches interference, 54 years ago.

And I'm going, wow, that's a long time ago. Maybe, you know, Bill Dickie played to the game or something. And I looked it up and I said, wait a minute, I did that game. And Johnny was the guy, 1971, Reds and Dodge,

you said, that's the game, I called you. You know, it's a Johnny, this is insanity. - I couldn't help but think about how close Canada came to winning yesterday and how close Toronto came to winning the World Series.

- No question, yeah. And think about, you know, how close Seattle came to advancing in baseball, right? And what a tough loss that was for the Mariners and then at least, you know, the Seahaw's

to get their championship. But I mean, but it's hockey. And it's like I say, you're exhausted because you almost got, they almost got, and this goes on for for 60 minutes of action.

So, and the, and the double post that I'm thinking that, you know, you can't hear or Eddie could have called it, you know, with Chris Collins or the Cole, the Cody Parkey field, that was a double doggie. - That's the one the game.

“- That's for us, that's what we lost for us, right there.”

- Are you playing golf today? - Of course it's closed. You want to talk to the ground, skip bridge Monday. It's Monday, I'm not happy. (laughing)

First of all, what do I need? You know, my list of swing thoughts, right? So, I showed 'em the Roy Mac, I showed 'em the Roy Mac, the Roy Mac, a couple of years ago, he goes, "Why?"

(laughing) - I told you, it's Johnny. - Johnny Miller. - Miller. - That's dead. - Four syllables, Richard.

- Johnny Miller. - Miller. But the problem I have is I go back, Johnny. (laughing) (laughing)

- Johnny, help myself. - Johnny, fine, all right.

- General, thank you for sharing this always.

- Oh, Danny, any time. - Every 46 years, you do this. - One try. (laughing) - Thank you, but.

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in September at the spear in Las Vegas.

“Last time they thought I believe was May of 2015.”

I don't know who was asking for this. And you go back to that 11 years ago. We found out after the fact that Pacquiao had an injured shoulder. And I would say that it got too far. Now, I remember talking,

Wow, gotta be careful. - That's your limit, James? - No, it got,

“felt like that somebody wanted to call this fight off”

and they were told you can't. It was too deep, too deep in the game and there was a lot of money, a lot of money at stake. And obviously, they, you know, Pacquiao got in there, but he wasn't throwing any punches.

And Floyd Mayweather is a boring fighter. I mean, you know, the presentation is flashy, but he's a defense first fighter. There's nothing to, when you watch him, you go, "Oh, okay, didn't get hit again."

And he didn't get hit again. You know, tactically, he's brilliant, but not exciting. So, if you sign up for it, go get him. Must be, it'll be September, so maybe it's a slow night for you and you go,

"Well, maybe I'll just buy this fight." Let me, let me see these two guys lean on each other, but I don't know if this has to do.

You know, Boxer's never retired.

Sugar Ray Leonard told me this, when I went to his first retirement in Baltimore,

“and he talked about fighters never retired,”

the phone stops ringing. And that's it. Like, you could get some of these guys to come out of retirement. It'd be like, you know, "Hey, Tommy Hearns."

Marvelous, Marvelous, heck, come on. Roy Jones, come on, who wants to fight? Yeah, I'll do it, Mike Tyson, you'll fight again. Let Tyson fight the winner of this. But, you know, maybe, you know,

financial issues could be affecting one or both of these fighters. And that's why you're doing this. I don't, I don't know why you watch this, unless the undercard is really good.

Maybe the novelty of being in that building, having a boxing match in this sphere. But, it's real, it's real. Just count 'em a Gregor, get the winner of this fight. I mean, now, if count 'em a Gregor,

got to do MMA against Floyd. Now, that would be fun. That would have been interesting.

“But, it's like, and then, if one of the brothers”

would flitter their names, the Paul brothers, did they get to fight something, I mean, is this where boxing is? Yes. How did we get here?

I guess UFC, yeah, Pauli. May weather, pack it out, 2015. They estimate that it was the biggest single fight revenue ever, 410 million in revenue, 72 million in ticket sales at the gate on the property.

Yeah, and I always thought that Floyd was a brilliant business man.

But, you start to read articles of, you know, he's got things in foreclosure, and I can't imagine that you would lose, hunt well, but they, Mike Tyson did. But then, you know, we had people stealing right in front of him.

You know, that was the difference here. But with Floyd, I thought Floyd was, like, a derail, revisit kind of business man. So that's, if he's coming back, because he needs money, that is sad.

Yes, Todd. How much money, and I don't understand the financial part of, like, how they get millions of dollars to have these fights that supposedly are kind of ridiculous, and it's like an exhibition nobody wants to see.

How much of that money is based on who goes to the fight, and as far as people are buying, like, pay per view. Like, what if so many people decided, I'm not going to the fight, I'm not going to watch and pay per view, they're still going to get millions of dollars.

They're still enough money out there to pay these guys. They get it in revenue. No, I'm probably just gave you the numbers. It's a, a revshare. I mean, they share, I don't know how they did it up.

I'm sure Floyd got more money than Pacquiao, but, you know, you might get 40% of the gate. Pacquiao gets, you know, 25% of the gate,

but it's $400 million dollars.

So I guess how do they come up with that number, not knowing just yet who's buying the tickets and who's doing the pay per view. And maybe I'm being ignorant, but I don't know how they can get to you. Now, this is the last fight.

But I'm saying, for this fight coming up, if we were saying that maybe I have all these financial problems, what if people didn't go to the fight, it didn't, you know, as far as pay per view, where's all these millions of dollars coming from to pay these guys, if people decide not to buy

the fight or go watch it. Well, you only get paid based off who shows up or who watches. But they're expecting to get like several millions of dollars to do this with the fighters, no? Why is this complicated?

It's a little complicated to me. It's just a line of demand. You either show up or you don't. And if you don't show up, then they don't get as many millions as they would have if you did show up,

which could end up being nowhere near the amount of money that may weather needs to get out of his financials.

I'm saying there are articles talking about that,

“but if you show up, then you get paid if you buy pay per view,”

then you get paid if you don't buy pay per view, then you get less of the gate. Oh, this is supply and demand. And if there's not a demand, then maybe these guys get 20 million. 25 million.

15 million.

But the first one made 400 million.

Yeah, Paul. I'm really about Floyd and his next fight might be against the IRS. He's had three things in his past, settled. Yeah, yeah. He had all those cars.

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This MSS officer has no idea the US government is on to him.

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In fact, let me start there with the combine. You got players who are going to be arriving today, or yesterday, coaches and GMs are still talking. The media gets an opportunity. This is sort of the woodstock of, you know, off season, where you get local reporters,

everybody gets a chance and it's just, you know, a massive media there to be able to ask coaches and GMs questions. And then, of course, the players are going to be there at the combine.

And, you know, when you look at college football, it's amazing.

I looked at Mel Kipers, latest mock draft, and you go, and Ohio State had more talent than anybody else in the country, at least according to Mel's draft. So he's got Caleb Downs, a safety going number two to the jets.

“I think he's got five Ohio State players who could go in the top 15.”

Cornell Tate is a wide receiver. He could be going sunny styles, a linebacker, he could be going. They got an offensive lineman who could be going first round. And what did Ohio State have to show for this? I'm looking at the schools that are most represented at combine.

Texas A and M, 13 players. Alabama 12, Ohio State 11, LSU 11, Georgia 10, Oklahoma 10, Miami 10, Clemson 9, Indiana 9. And that's the unique part of this is you can have individual talent, but a team will carry you through the playoffs and you saw that with the Indiana Hoosiers winning the

national title because blue chip depth at premium positions, great. Few programs can match the ceiling, but Ohio State didn't win the big 10. Not man handled by Miami and the playoffs, but they're still sending 11 players to

the combine and you're probably going to have five of those players drafted in the first

round. See, what's poll question for the first hour of the program? We got some options here for you. I think maybe we start with the combine though and talk about is arm length, no, no, the new hand size.

I was hoping to get five minutes into today's show that couldn't do it four minutes and 22 seconds into the show and we've brought up arm length. You know, I love hand size. You know, I do.

“I think this is actually a movement by the small hands community to take focus off of”

that Marvin. Do you care to comment? How would you guys even figure that I think the small hands lobbyists are working at, you know, it's actually more about arm length than it is hand size, just saying. Yeah.

Why is it we don't make a big deal about hand size for wide receivers? It's easy to throw a football.

It's hard to catch a football or easy to throw a football, but you know, the patron saint

of small hands, Kenny Pickett. We got to get an autographed jersey of Kenny Pickett, you know, you're in good hands with Kenny Pickett. How did they? How did all state not do something with Kenny Pickett?

Like little good hands. Yes, Todd. I don't think we make a big deal about the size of the hands of receivers because that's thickest stuff that got in the gloves works in all sizes. Fair.

What are you worried about the size of your hand? All right. That's fair. Yes, Paul. Yeah, Dan, we've been tracking this here at the Dan Patrick show and peak hand size of

development in talk was 22 around Kenny Pickett on a Pittsburgh last year. The spike was Will Campbell.

“The former LSU offensive lineman, I think it was taken fourth overall, but at the combine,”

his arms measured, sit down if you're ready to hear this, 32 and 5/8 inches. Yeah, it was shocking. And it became one of the bigger topics early in the draft. Wait a minute. So my arms are longer than his not wingspan each arm.

Yes, straight up. You know how long your arms are? Yeah. You do? Yeah.

You keep that in your head at all times. You've been measured for a shirt, a dress shirt, or a sport coat. I have it. No, no. Yeah, I don't know that I have it.

Yeah, but not since my brother's wedding, I think. Yeah. Well, shirt length. Yeah, yeah. I've been measured for that.

Yeah. Yeah. We're doing a little longer. We're doing longer. We are doing that tomorrow.

We're doing arm length on the show. Okay. But Will Campbell was a big topic last year. I could find you a dozen articles talked about his arm length and whether it's a negative going into the lead.

Mm-hmm. Yes, Marvin. Please, please somebody has shorter arms than me. Please. I don't ask for much in this life.

Now all of a sudden I'm looking around here. I don't know. Well, you could have long arms in small hands, Marvin. Oh, great. Thanks.

I'm still mad at Kenny Pickett. Oh, God. What a great day that was. Benjamin.

Top three greatest days of my life.

I know. You got married. You had your kid and you found out your hands are bigger than Marvin. Essentially, yeah, that I don't have the smallest hands here. Uh-huh.

It was awesome. And the fact that nobody knew what the results were. We all got our hands measured by Ray, one of the back room guys, and kept it secret.

“So as we're unveiling this and the smallest hands, and Seaton's ready to go, all right?”

It's obviously me. I know that I have tiny hands. I'm aware. And then all of a sudden, Marvin, as the smallest hands. Yes, Marvin.

It was bad when we measured the hands back with Ray and Ray just kind of looked at me. Oh. It's not as big as I thought. So arm length is going to be a big deal, and we'll be all over that. You know, once the results come rolling in here, I'm still, I'm focusing on hand size here.

Of course. That is so 2022. Yeah, I know.

Pauli said, you know, you got to get up, you know, caught up with, uh, you're in the

dark ages here. I still care about the hand size. And in there, here's another thing. Why don't we measure fingers, not your hand size? Because if I'm a quarterback, I get to put my fingers around a football, because you

can have a big palm. What do you have against palms? What do you have against palm? What do you have against palm? Hey, uh, when I was in Panama, when I was in Panama, I palm Sunday went, got my, you

know, I went to, say hello, and I got my ashes down there and say hello. Yeah, I walked into a church there, got the ashes, so they do that on Sundays or Wednesday there. Yeah, I think it was a Wednesday. It's the big day for the ashes.

Yeah. But maybe palm Sundays involved in that, right? That's, it's in the process. Okay. That's coming up.

Just a week before Easter. Okay. Yeah. So it's a bad reference there, but I did get the ashes. Unless you time traveled.

I know palm Sunday is going to be a big day. Thank you. Thank you. Are you going to Panama? No, no, no.

Only I was just down there and then pan them on for stem cell in my wife goes, hey, Ash Wednesday. And I go, all right. So we walked in, walked into a church, boom, got ashes on her forehead, and then went to dinner.

Yes, Paul. Back to arm length, ground zero for arm length this year. The combine is Miami Defense of End, Ruben Bane. He's 62277 and they're still, we don't have official arm length on him yet. Or hand side.

But he's a big top. Yeah. Yeah. Did he talk about this, Marvin? Okay.

Go ahead. I know the team seemed to be looking started with it long as I just could talk. I was talking about the walk, live a technique, nobody really hates me about it. So I really don't give the kind of time of day for it. That's just all stuff.

I feel like you sound so familiar, but none of the team had concern, so I'm not just excited. Okay. So he doesn't have long arms. Is that what he's saying?

This is already a concern. Some scouts are saying they might be under 33 inches, and that is a red flag for defense

“event, who you need to get people off you.”

But I'd rather have my offensive lineman have long arms. Right. Yeah. He sounded very defensive in that. Oh, he is.

Oh, okay. He's defensive. But he was good enough to play well for Miami. Yes. Yes.

He's talking about something here, you know, but yeah, the arm length, that's a big deal. Yes, Todd. But maybe you can sneak a holding with shorter arm length. It's tougher to see the holding. If you got these big long arms, like an octopus, it's very easy to see if you're holding

some of that. All right. Thank you, Todd. What's poll question for the first hour? Well, we're going to have two up there now.

What are you most looking forward to from this year's NFL combine hand size or arm length, and we're also putting up there. Do you know the length of your arms? Hmm. Okay.

Do you guys have any idea? Ball. My dress shirt is 32 and a half inches, that's the arm length. Your arms are as long as the paint tree, it's offensive length. Yeah, those are the shirts I bought when I purchased shirts, 32 and a half inches.

Okay. I like to pop my, you know, cuffs. Yes, see.

I don't know what this says about me, but my shirt size has always come with an

SM or an L. I've never seen numbers attached to it, you've never gone to a tailor. I, you know, I did when my brother got married, I did, well, I guess when I got married,

“I did too, but I don't remember any of that, uh, no, I haven't not in 18 years or”

whatever. Okay. Yeah. That's been a long time. It's no judging here.

It's usually L or XL and my M, M, M these days, it's one of those letter combinations. Yeah, Paul. When you buy a dress shirt, you do neck and then arm length.

Yeah.

“32, 33 is short, 34, 35 is medium, 36, 37 is long with shirt length.”

Yeah. Back to you. Yeah.

Marvin, do you know your arm length?

L, XL. And the same boat is my main seat. Fred, see same with you? Yeah, I go to the end of the alphabet and see how many X's are involved and that's, uh, don't have numbers on that.

I know my neck size on what she has grown, I used to have like a 16 and 3/4 or a 17 and a half, and it's definitely somewhere in the 19 ballpark that it was in Poth would have closed any of my, if I got to wear a dress shirt now enough to go buy a new shirt. What's bigger? Your neck or your arms?

That's a, it's a good question.

“You know, arms, I'm proud of the neck thing and the double chin thing, that's just a problem”

when you can't close that top button when you want it, but it's pretty deflating, where

you go to put your shirt on. You're getting all dressed up. I'm like, damn, man, I'm going to look good tonight and then you're like, I'm close to closing. You do the, uh, you put your tie on and then unbutton the top button.

Yeah. Get a little breathing. Yeah. My wife was bringing this up because my daughter was getting married later in the summer. And she said, are you going to get a toxicido?

I said, I got one.

I got one for my son's wedding.

She goes, do you think it's still fit? It's like, wait, where did that come from? What am I taking shots for? I was a shot. I was a shot.

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