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We'll get to more funcals coming up, update our poll results, and we'll talk to Daniel Jeremiah, draft analyst for NFL Network, and he has been all over arm length at the combine. We measured our arms yesterday, the length of our arms, arm again will be revealed coming up next hour.

The results are sealed, and nobody knows what they are. This might be Marvin's come back, small hands, the smallest hands on the staff, and maybe you can save face." "A man can dream." "Yes."

"It doesn't mean as much when you say I've got long arms." "Wait, wait, no, no." Not in here at the combine, but if you say, "Hey, I got really long arms, and then when you get to the end of them, you'll see my really small hands." "So they have a really long torso."

"Okay." "Yeah, I have that." "Band, you've got a long torso." "Thank you." "All right, he ate seven, seven, three D.P."

"We've taken any wagers on arm length. You've got any thoughts, Dan?" "I'm trying to think who might be sneaky. I should have the longest arms. But I'm not, I don't know."

"But I'd be bothered if I didn't have the longest arms." "Yes." "Probably." "Probably."

You feel like you should have the longest arms?

"Yes." "Yes, Todd." "And why would you be bothered by that? Why would you feel like that?" "I don't know."

"I'm just a competitor, Todd." "But you can control that. You can't work on that, really. Maybe you could stretch a little bit. But you can't significantly change, you know, body part."

"Well, God, guys end up stretching their hands before they're measured." "You can?" "Yes." "Well, they have exercises too." "Hey, no one told me."

"I'm sorry." "I'm sorry." "The way to the party." "Sorry, Marvin." "Yes, Paul."

"Yeah, the athletic did a thing about it a couple of years ago around the combine that players were using this little, like, I guess you'd call it a rack to spread your fingers

Out hours.

"Yeah."

"Go with it where you want."

"Well, it was before the combine." "All right, so we'll go to the combine coming up." Also, Robert Orie, orie, oh, seven-time NBA champ, and, you know, Marvin and I were chomping this up a little bit. Michael Cooper is in the basketball hall of fame.

And I think that's an ensemble selection that he played with the great Showtime Lakers.

He was using match against Larry Bird. He was a defensive guy and a block-down defender. But he wasn't a starter, I don't think, I don't know how often he started, but he certainly contributed a lot. And then you start to think, "Okay, Robert Orie was part of Showtime.

He's got a great nickname, Big Shot Bob.

Came off the bench, played with the rockets with their titles. He's got seven titles." Duncan spurs, I mean, he played with these great teams, but maybe because he didn't play with one team. I'd dream on greens going to be a Hall of Famer because it's part of the ensemble.

You know, Michael Cooper, I don't know what he averaged. I just know when he was on the floor, he made the Lakers better. But he's in the Hall of Fame, and I'm fine with that.

I'm curious that you got a guy who won seven titles contributed to those teams and has

the nickname Big Shot Bob, and you're not a Hall of Famer. Yes, Todd. Robert Orie led his team to seven NBA titles, not by the same token. No one will ever say, "In spite of Robert Orie, that was team's one seven championships." If it's even somewhere in the middle, and he had those big shots, I don't know how it's

taking this long for him to get in the Hall. Yeah, I'm a little bit perplexed sometimes. And I did hear from somebody with the basketball Hall of Famer yesterday. And this person thought I was calling out the basketball Hall of Famer, where I was just trying to shed light on why isn't Christian latener in or digger phelps in, and I was told

by somebody who will remain anonymous, that the basketball Hall of Famer lean towards NBA and international play more than it will college. And I'd not heard that before. So there's a college basketball Hall of Famer, and it feels like, well, that's where Christian latener will be featured, or digger phelps will be featured.

Now, you do have Jim Bayheim and Mike Shishewski, they're in the basketball Hall of Famer in Springfield, Mass. But that should be something that you're told or we're told that, look, this is really about international play in the NBA, because then that would make sense to me. And then I would stop, you know, campaigning for a latener and, you know, now digger phelps.

So I don't know if that makes sense to people, but that's what was told to me yesterday.

And I went, okay. Yes, Marvin. So right now, it's just sunny Vicarro's on your list. They made a movie about, I don't know, about what he did. Sunny Vicarro with what he did, but that's college basketball.

That gets more about college basketball with Sunny Vicarro, some maybe it's the college basketball Hall of Famer. Well, no, not necessarily because remember, the movie air about Sunny Vicarro was getting Michael Jordan to sign as a pro with Nike. Yes, but then Michael has kind of moved towards George Rabbling being more important than

Sunny Vicarro, which isn't, that's not true. I've known Sunny for probably 35 years. And I've heard all the stories, everything that went on, him and Michael, close friends, Sunny's wife, Pam, you know, so do I think Sunny was the one who was instrumental with Michael over George Rabbling, the former coach, the late coach, yes, I do.

But he was instrumental in getting coaches paid, product into the hands of the players, and even down into the high school ranks as well. But I hope that Sunny, while he's still alive, gets an opportunity to be in the basketball Hall of Famer. Going back to late near, I'm on the Naismath Memorial Basketball Hall of Famer website.

And their criteria says, consideration is not limited to the NBA. It includes international, collegiate, and Olympic achievements. Late near has a top five college career of all time, fair enough to say, and a nice pro career and a dream teamer. Yeah.

It doesn't seem like it should be this tough. But he doesn't get credit for being a dream teamer because they didn't need Christian Lightner with the dream team, but he was, you know, they put him on the team.

But once again, this was told to me yesterday, first time I ever heard that the basketball

Hall of Famer will lean towards international play, which would include the Olympics,

Also the NBA.

And that's not something that Christian Lightner was instrumental in.

No. It's tricky when it comes to these halls of fame. But if I look at Robert Ory winning seven titles, this isn't like Steve Kerr winning all of his titles, because he was an instrumental player, even a great role player. Now he did have moments with the bulls, but he won titles, and he was with a couple of

different franchises winning these title. Robert Ory contributed. Like, what's Michael Cooper's numbers, what are career averages, start with points? Michael Cooper was on the lake or from 78 to 90, his entire career, 12 seasons. He started 94 of 873 games, he was a pure bench guy, but he was top five for defensive

player the year seven different times and won it once. His stats, he had his nine points of game, four assists, three rebounds, couple steals. Yeah, and if you're going to put Ben Wallace in there, even though Ben started for the pistons, Rudy Go Bears is going to be a hallfamer, four time defensive player of the year.

So when it comes to Hall of Fame, what are you focusing on, is it the full like a total player or he did this really, really well, he played defense really well.

That's what we're doing with Ben Wallace, Rudy Go Bears and Michael Cooper.

They played defense really, really well. Yeah, it's pulling. Robert or he had a nice career in the regular season. He started about half the time, there was like eight points of game for his career and nice shooter, but his post season, he's got two titles with Houston, three with the

lakers, two with San Antonio, he did it from age 23 to 36, and then all of those play off series, I'm looking at all of them. He played significant minutes, he wasn't just a long for the ride. And he's got a great nickname, big shot, Bob. I mean, you don't get that nickname unless you've hit big shot.

He earned it. Yeah, it's not like, hey, I took big shots. I missed him, but my nickname is big shot, Bob. He made big shot. Yes, time.

Would anybody visiting the Hall of Fame, if they saw Robert or he there for even for a second,

say, really or what, what is he doing here? I can't imagine anybody questioning her. I don't think they would. He said anything over the other way. It's like about time.

I was here a few years ago. I didn't see him. Finally, they put him in there. Seven titles. Seven titles.

All right. That's one hour one. What's hour two? Hey, big shot. That's still.

I'm, man, I love that.

Every time we have him on, we do this, we go, why do you end the whole face?

He's the best. I mean, what a career. I know. He's, my no. Gosh, man.

How much of the NFL combine do you watch?

Most some or none. Right now none has 72% of the vote. That is shocking. It's kind of hard. None?

It's not. See, some of it. I mean, I know. I'm not fixated. I'm fixated on it.

But I, I'm curious. You know, if, if, you know, you're watching, you know, I don't want to watch defensive linemen or offensive linemen. Oh, Satan does. Satan's like, man, I love watching those big guys run.

You crazy. Oh, my gosh. The best. How athletic. Yesterday was offensive linemen.

Those dudes are so athletic. It's insane how well they've moving. To be that big and move that well. It's fascinating.

But remember that Alabama offensive linemen who ran with his shirt off.

Wow. Yeah. That's not good. Yeah. No names.

It looks like a mudslide. I like the confidence. Yeah. There are people that'll take off their shirt and you're like, yeah, really. It's like wearing a Speedo.

You know, you're like, all right. You got some confidence. I like their confidence. Yeah. I don't have it personally.

But I like, I like to see it on other people. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Sure.

Well, Todd, there was a time when Todd, it was rare if you had your shirt on when you were, you know, like, 19 years of it. Now I'm the guy that goes in the pool with his t-shirt. I was like, that guy, like, that camper that's like really overweight. Do you wear a t-shirt in the pool?

I doubt. I should. But I don't. I make sure there's no one else around the pool and then whatever it's gone. Then I could take the t-shirt.

Yes, Marvin. Well, I take my shirt off because I know there's somebody who would have worse body than mine. Really? Oh, yeah.

But you make sure you stand by that guy? No, no, no. You know, backstroke and breaststroke and all that guy has way worse than I do. Buddha in San Francisco, good morning, Buddha. No, a body, had me be Friday, boys, let's go for tea.

Again, only one show in America can break down clanks from college hoops and courts. There's sounds and sports arm length and just generally trying to explain fritzy in his dynamic. If that isn't witness an Emmy, I don't know what will, Dan.

I don't know what will.

Thank you, Buddha. Thank you.

By the way, we have a new podcast.

It's called the Toddcast and it's all about Todd.

It's Todd unplugged. He recorded and I will say, if you're going to listen, make sure you listen. And you don't have maybe your wife or kids in the caucus. Disclamer? Yes.

I would have a disclaimer. Yes. Definitely. I'm going to wait to play a portion of the Toddcast a little bit later on this hour. But I'm going to prepare you for this.

I'm rarely shocked with Todd. I clued poly in on what we're going to play. You're a reaction? I said to you, is this real? Yes.

I'm going to play it in about a half hour from now and it's worth staying in your car being late to work. Although you may be mad at me after you hear, but Todd was Todd was Todd.

Once again, that's the one question, the overriding question I always get is Todd really

like that in the answer is yes. Yes.

That's what makes him, you know, invaluable to this show.

There's no other show that has somebody like Todd. But we decided that he has so much to say, and maybe not the time to say it on the show, that we would give him his own podcast. So it's available at DanPatrick.com, it's about 45 minutes. But the words per minute, it is rapid fire.

And there was a moment yesterday that made me go, and I thought I knew everything about Toddler. So that's about a half hour from now.

You've been prepared with you, keep your radio on your TV on or you don't.

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What's a social media's response to Armageddon scene? Well, this dude just dropped an absolute hammer, like emotionally, says, "Aren Crowder, just wrote on social media, if Marvin has long arms, his dreams are within reach, he just can't grab them." Man, that's deep. That is deep.

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That's what it means. That means fun times for all,

because we've graduated from hand size to arm size. I think we're making progress as society. Okay, but where are we going after this? Well, well, we're not going to touch that one. We're just going to say literally, not going to, but does it really matter

about the, now let's say a defensive line, and it's supposed to an offensive line. Let the actual, actually, series about this, does that matter? How much? Yeah, it does. And I didn't want to just have my opinion. So I reached out to two of the defense coordinators. They're of top five defenses in the league.

So guys, I respect that know what they're doing. And I said, "What's the biggest issue with it?" And they said, "Yeah, look, there are issues with it." And some of it is, you know, you can't get off-blocks. You know, that's, you can just get, you're going to hold, you're going to grab it.

You can't use your length to escape and get off-blocks. There's something to the ability to kind of finish. They look at, you know, finishing on some of these bigger quarterbacks that could come into play. But my follow-up question was, well, obviously, that's not a death sentence. So what do you need to have to overcome it?

You know, if it's not ideal, but what do you need to have?

Because to me, I've always just felt like if you can play with leverage and power and strength,

you can, you can get away with it. And they said, "No, absolutely, you've got to beat blocks with your feet more with your hands, which sounds kind of simple, but it is. You've got to be able to have like a lower power to generate to get through guys, or you've got to be able to win with your quickness.

There's guys who maybe aren't as quick or as fast, but they're so good with their arms, and so good with their hands, and they're able to get off-blocks that way. There's just more ways to do it." But more important for an offensive lineman to have longer arms, or a defensive lineman. I would say offensive lineman. I just think when you're an offensive lineman,

and guys can constantly get to your surface, I think that makes your job a lot harder. And that's from, look, I cut my teeth in the league watching Jonathan Ogden, and I'm like, "I mean, you could have put a fresh coat of paint on the front of his jersey, and there's nobody to get ever to get to him." I don't know if it came up last year, or the year before, with Bill Campbell, or, you know,

his arm length, or lack there. Oh, was it a big deal? The fact that he was a top-five pick?

Yeah, but I have to go back.

I think what was jarring is that when you get to 31, and you start getting below,

like, cash is how it was below 31 inches. Like, that's something we just don't see a lot of. But I was, I was joking around with one of my former GM buddies, and he was, we were just talking about this at laughing because he was telling a story about how they had an offensive lineman that they liked, but he didn't run a good 40 at the combine, and they didn't run a good 40 at the pro-day set. So, they liked them. So, they just kept sending different scouts out there to time

amount of 40 until they eventually got one that they liked. See, we know he's going to run this. That's wrong with this guy. You know, we used to do it, you know, handside, arm length, or handsides, and like, I was scouted on the West Coast for a period of time. And so, if there was a quarterback, maybe his hands were a little undersized, or what have you, and like, guys, we get to get it. Like, hey, guys, all of us have big grades on this player. We're all taking crap back at our home teams,

and these draft meetings. Like, whatever we got to do to get that thing stretched out when we measure this thing, let's do ourselves a favor here. But his hand-size important at this year's combine. No, we've had no hand-size, the bait, but the quarterback's haven't got it yet.

Okay. Well, why don't we focus on the wide receivers with their hands?

Well, it, yeah, it'll, they'll come up. I mean, it's just if there's a correlation between the drops, and then he's got small hands. But, you know, it's not nearly as prevalent as the quarterback

discussion. But I always go back to this stuff with the way I look at like Ruben Bay. So, if I

watch a player, and I don't know any of his measurables, you know, if I have a documented in my notes, and I've gone through four or five games, and I've, you know, watched a bunch of tape on him, and I don't have concerns about it, that I'm not going to be as worried about it if his measurements come in low. What would be concerning is there? Like, cash is how maybe a little bit more so where there's times with him, where I see he play a little bit small at times when he gets

into guys, he can't get off of him. I've seen Bane get engaged and be able to free himself, whereas cash is how at that point in time that down might be over. So, if I have notes about it, as a concern, not knowing measurables, and then the measurables come in and kind of confirm your notes, then I think it's valid. The tie Simpson love, I think, is going to be coming. We, we see this every draft where somebody, we focus on Fernando Mendoza, then we might start looking at negatives

with Fernando Mendoza, then we're looking for another quarterback who we can talk about, and tie Simpson will probably get, it feels like a little bit of love coming up, but compare the two, and with tie Simpson and Alabama, and of course, Mendoza. Yeah, I think there's a pretty good gap, you know, I'm not telling you how I see him. I just, Mendoza, you know, the hard thing about his evaluation, and I've talked about this a little bit, is that, you know, people talk about the

RPOs and how quick the ball comes out a lot of the times, well, spoiler alert, that's college football,

that's how a lot of these guys are playing the game. You have to be able to cut through that,

so the way I do it, and you take the whole season, you watch the games you're going to watch, but then I like to go back and look at these situations. 3rd and 7 plus, you're not our RPO and a 3rd and 7 plus, and I've been a stadium knows you're throwing the football. The red zone where the space is condensed, and you got to make more tight throws. I look at in-game situations, and then I look in big stage games, you know, big stage moments,

and I'm like, Dan, he aches every single one of those tests. He didn't throw a pick in the red zone. It's like, it's crazy numbers inside the red zone. You look at him when everybody in the stadium knows they're throwing the ball, and okay, sometimes it can be a little back shoulder heavy, and he gets criticized for that. I'm like, I don't know, I keep throwing it to the can't, they can't cover those receivers on the outside when he pin points the ball on their back shoulder, but I've seen

him fit balls in tight spaces. He's big, he can move. If you need him to get some free arts, he can

take him. With tie, I like tie as someone who, in my opinion, I think a lot of former quarterbacks

are going to take to him, because he's the son of a coach. Everything from a mechanical standpoint is beautiful and flawless, like great feet, nice with delivery. He does not have a huge arm. There's times, and there are offensive line with, there's not a traditional Alabama offensive line. They didn't have the traditional benefits that you'd have in that program. So there was a lot of bodies around him, and I thought there were times he just got to. He looked small. The ball was coming out of his hand.

He looked like he was throwing out of a well. The ball would kind of take off on him. So I like him.

He's my 40th player. I think he's the second round guy, and if somebody wants to take him in the back of

the first round to get the extra year, I can get with that. I just, I don't see him as a top half of the first round top 15 type pick. And the other reason for that is I think every year you're going to have more tight Simpsons coming along, whereas Fernando Mendoza, those guys are a little bit harder to find. So I can do Daniel Jeremiah in a film network analyst and his podcast moving the sticks joining us from the combine. Jeremiah love three down, running back? Oh yeah, he's got to lead hands. Like

route running hands, you know, and all the dynamic stuff that comes along with him in the back field.

He's, means my second overall player.

somebody turn around and put it in a stomach like he can do a lot of different things. Yeah, and I don't know, you know, with the success of Jamir Gibbs in B. John Robinson and, you know, some of these other hybrids there, of course, McAfrey, I would, you know, fell in love with him, watching him play this year. He was the one playmaker that I thought was different than any other player on the football field. Every single game that he played in. And that's kind of hard to do, but I just felt, you know,

he's running it from 90 yards. Like you're a threat, you're a threat inside your own 10 yard line. And I, but I don't know, where's the landing spot for him? Well, that's there, this two conversations,

right? I mean, we agree on his greatness and in how special he is. And then he's my second overall

player. And then the next question that follows up is, okay, well, where does he go? And then you start looking at, we saw yesterday with some of those guys, the two Ohio State kids are absolute freaks. So you're looking at guys, and you start playing the position prior to your game, you start looking at needs. But when I say, like, work at its start, I mean, I, I don't think the

jets would do it at two. I think they're kind of that feels definitely more like a front player,

defensive front player. I would say you could start the conversation at three with Arizona in Tennessee. I mean, that's where the conversation would start, but I still think that probably lends more to big guys, to offensive, defensive linemen, you know, at this point in time, I would say more so defensive linemen. And then the sweet spot to me is 789. When you look at Washington, New Orleans, Kansas City,

I don't think that's, that's a neighborhood he's not going to be able to get out of. You

imagine if he goes to Kansas City. You don't know how many times I've got that from people in the live. They're like, we finally got these guys to not make the plan. I know who he's not put drove. I love there. If I put men do's in the 2024 draft, how many quarterbacks go ahead of him? So three for me. So I had it Caleb, Drake, Jayden, and then I would have him in there, and then you get into, you know, the Nick X McCarthy, Panics. So he would, that's where he would be. But those three

guys, I mean, I had those guys were outstanding. And we've already seen that kind of bare itself out.

The Raiders draft strategy that, okay, you take Mendoza. Yeah. I mean, even if you go back to last

year, you're taking Gen T, but you don't have a good offensive line. You got a really good tackle. And I just wonder putting Mendoza in a situation like that. Do you trust the Raiders they can

fortify that offensive line? So here's what I would do then. And maybe it's a symbolic

and it would be kind of funny, but I would want to make my point if you're in the draft room. If you go inside a draft room, and now it's a lot more digital. They can display it from a digital display, but when I was doing it was cards, you had the cards up on the wall. So you had the whole left side of the huge wall. Left side is all the defensive players, the right side is all the offensive players. So what, when, you know, you come in there for your first meeting, and maybe you

got all your coaches in there for the first time after the season is over. You have the whole draft board up there. I would have erased the entire defensive side of the board, and I would say apologies defensive coaches, but they're sure we will just be drafting from this side of the board to help our, to help our young quarterback. So, you know, I know, and I think I might even hurt this on your show, like it's a good conversation. But, you know, okay, are they equipped right now with where they

are to take a quarterback? And, and why would say is now, I think it's, there's proof of concept and recently proof of concept, the bears. I mean, they revamped their pretty much their whole old line in one year. The, you know, like I know it didn't, they didn't play as well as they would have liked in the Super Bowl, but New England swapped out four starters in one year and advanced all the way to the Super Bowl. I think with free agency, you got it, you got to, you got to,

you got to, you got to, you have to overpay because, you know, you're the Raiders and where you are

right now. You're going to have to outbid some folks for the Tyler Linder Bombs of the World, but I would go all in on trying to get one or two of those guys in free agency. Colton Miller comes back healthy. That's probably the hardest piece to find. You got a good functional left tackle, and then now we go draft some some interior guys or a right tackle as well throughout the draft. I think they can make it comfortable enough that Mendoza can survive. I just don't want another

Andrew looks situation. Yeah, a day no situation. I, I, I, I 100% agree with you there, but that's where the, that's why, you know, I apologize to my coaches. I've said this for the last few years on anybody that takes a quarterback high. I, you have to look, look to the future and, and just put yourself there and say, okay, at the end of this year, not all seven and ten records are the same. If we're seven and ten and my quarterbacks playing well, and we're losing 31 to 28, man, like you,

your owner, your fan base is going to feel a lot better about that seven and ten team than you bumping your chest and saying, we got a top five defense. Don't know if this quarterbacks any good, and he missed four games, so you got the crap kicked out of him, but we got a great defense. Like that's those two records are the same, but they are not the same in terms of the hope and the in the direction of the team. Who was the quarterback you loved, but he didn't plan

It up, Hannah.

the school, when Jamaica's Russell was coming out. I went and saw him play live and I watched his tape and that, I mean, I was a young, young scout at that point time. That was probably the most talented guy that I ever saw, and it was like, okay, I don't know all the other stuff that guys

go in the school get all the character and the work ethic, all that, but I'd never seen a guy

throw a football like that. And I was like, this, I don't know how this doesn't work that guys, that's insane with the ability that he had, and obviously we know that worked out.

Why didn't it work out? I think it was probably more of the other stuff, you know, just in terms

of the focus, you got heavy, you know, the work ethic. I think those were more issues. I'm telling you this day, Dan, it looked like you were so in a Nerf turbo, like when you went out there and watched him, it looked like he had that little little tiny Nerf turbo that whistleed when you threw it. Would you take a chance on Kyler or Tua? I think I would, I would do Kyler on that one. I think he's more talented, more talented guy. And so, and I've seen him, like, I've, look,

two has had some good moments for sure, and he's played well, and I think that was, I think it's just very specific the environment for Tua to be successful. I think Kyler could be a little more successful in some different circumstances. See, the problem I have is he's more talented, but they're both kind of at the same place in their careers where, you know, if I'm going to take a chance on him, he does have this talent, but he didn't really showcase it the way he should of.

What, why am I going to be led to believe that he's going to now, now he's going to be Kyler Murray?

Well, and the other side of that, though, is you get Tua and all the head injuries. Oh, yeah, I don't want either one of them. Yes. Yes, I'm just saying if I have to choose between yeah, I mean, I have kind of factoring all of that stuff in together, but I'm just saying at least at least with Kyler. I mean, you know, maybe we don't have a perfect offensive line, like he can try and run around and get me out of some stuff with that. And he's giving me, he just gives me more

opportunities, whereas Tua, I think you got to have a very firm offensive line. You got to have a track team on the outside, and you have an, you know, an RPO quick passing game system, very tailored to him. You can have Mac Jones or Malik Willis. I think I'd want to test out Malik Willis. You know, I feel like I know where Mac is, which is, can be a good thing and a bad thing. Malik, I don't have certainty there, but I'd be excited to just see just to see what we can do.

I like him. I just think he's going to get that $300 million contract.

And I would be excited. If my team got Malik Willis, even if it's the dolphins, or, you know, I don't know if Minnesota, but I don't know what, what are you here at the combine on destinations for some of these guys? Yeah. I mean, look, it's just you're walking in the halls and people are talking, and I don't know how much you read into this historically over the years, how much of it's accurate, but just a couple of things that you hear was, okay, that, you know, Malik Willis was

Arizona. You know, you heard that kicked around, is that he could, you know, that could make sense with Arizona. The one that I was, her was interesting was Gino going to Minnesota was one that people were talking about to give him the veteran with, with MacArthur to see where that goes. And then it just seemed to be like, there'd be a good market for Kirk Cousins was the other buzz that you hear, but not tied in. It's not tied any specific teams, but you know, that was, that was interesting.

But he's better than Michael Panics, but they moved on from Kirk Cousins. Yeah. Yeah, I mean,

sounds like that's done. I mean, that's, you know, he's moving on. Yeah, like two weeks I think he's

he's gone and made a hundred million in two years. That's good work if you get it. Oh, my god.

And he's going to get another contractor. Yeah. And when he's done with that, he's going to go right in the TV. I don't know TV. Great to talk to you. We'll talk to you soon. Thank you again, Daniel. Thanks, buddy. That's Daniel Jeremiah is a podcast is moving the sticks. He's the chargers, a radio color commentator, former NFL scout, and working for NFL network. We'll take a break. When we come back, I thought I knew everything about Todd Fritz.

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meet Friday. I got a couple of comments and then a status date trivia style. So my first comment is I can see where Todd doesn't understand how Justin Chester, but he also is the guy that rides walk and pork. So, you know, his vocabulary is a little different. And also, Marvin, I can see why you felt guilty when your wife walked in, watching the combine. The reason being is I've seen some clips from the combine. One was they're doing stretching drills, where one guy pushes

another guy's legs over his head to see how far they can go back. That would be kind of embarrassing for my wife to walk in on. But my status date trivia style is this. So Kate cutting him has had four straight games of at least 10 assists and two blocks. If he does that tonight, again, to the Cavaliers, he'll reach a record. That's only meant one time since the NBA and NBA merger. Do you guys know who the other player is? The only player to have five straight

games of 10 assists and two blocks in consecutive games. What decade? The 90s. 90s. Yes, Pauli. How came Elijah one? No. Marvin. Great hill. No. Tracy McGrady. Not a star player, but a good name.

All right.

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committee tends to be pro and big market oriented. So, just want to make sure that have that have some clarity there. Okay. Todd has a podcast that he started recently. It's called the Todd cast in SvetableDampantric.com. And I don't know if there's really a theme other than Todd's life. Todd's thoughts. Dylan is the host with him. And there was a portion of the latest podcast that was released yesterday that caught my ear. So here is Todd Fritz on the Todd cast.

But I used to have this great group of friends. There's a lot of us do growing up in elementary school during the high school. You'll go to the playground of a park and hang out and make out with each other's girlfriends, you know, cut out just, you know, good friends do. Yeah, you're hanging

out with your guy friends and all of a sudden one of them wants to experiment while you're playing

the Atari 2600 console. And it's like all of a sudden. Tom, let's break that one. All of a sudden, someone's touching you while you're playing a pitfall harry. It's like, all right, Fred. I didn't know you felt that way about me. And then you're a decision to make go along with it. And just you were having a cute day. I was having a cute day, but the decision is, hey, I'm not like that, but you know, I'm flattered or like let him do what he wants to do and just you see where it goes.

And maybe who knows, maybe you're into a time. You know what? Sometimes you have to take a chance in life. And if it's something that's disgusting or horrible, you don't do it again, but in the moment, especially if you're a little horny and you haven't been with somebody in a while and you're playing the time, you're just pretending like it's not happening and you're maybe picturing this girl that you're crushing on in one of your classes. And nobody needs to know why you're playing the video

games who's doing what? If you close your eyes, it could be anybody. Time. A lot of divulging right there. How do we get to that point? I don't even know. I have to listen back to what came before and after that kind of thing, but maybe some slight embellishment there, but I'm not

not the shy type. I'll just leave it as stated. I think it's the best way to do it. Okay.

I don't think it really needs more. You had some really interesting friends, some good friends. Yeah, yeah. Sometimes you're going to just deal and bring that out and make it. So just do it. Sometimes you just open. Oh, I don't think I'm coming in the right moment. Hi. We're not blaming Dillon. It's strong. It's if your skills just pull things up. I mean, you did talk about nerf football in the backyard and your pants were down there. It wasn't

previous reference to that. Don't hesitate to get us up to the get a little distracted. Okay. Well, there's more of that. There's more of that where, uh, you know, you can listen on the Todd cast and it's available, damn Patrick. I don't need to practice slowing down a little bit, which if you do that 400 times, you go fast. You go fast. I thought that the tape was sped up. I thought that, you know, when they recorded it, that it was just faster. What was 45 records on 78?

Yes. And it found out that that wasn't the case. Yes, Paul. It felt like a story based in reality to me. Yeah. Yeah. Todd doesn't, he doesn't guilty of hyperbole. He usually tells you. And then you go, uh, you're telling me too much, Tom. But, um, it's the Todd cast. And it's available at Dan Patrick. Dylan was blushy. I wasn't. He was, he was getting a little uncomfortable. As long as you're okay with it. It's all in good fun. You got to, you know what? You got to

sometimes it's fun to just have some fun and share and, uh, and just be out there. Yeah. But I, I have fun and share, but I don't share those things. It's just an unedited me. Yeah. Well,

I never, for better or worse, I guess. You know, I never played video games. Maybe that's what

I was missing out on. That's what you missed out on. You should have been playing pitfall Harry

and adventure and preserving missile command space and there's a lot of stuff going on. Don't play video games. It's the story. Whew. See you segue this one boss. Yeah. Uh, the Atlanta Hawks are hosting the Orlando Magic. And, uh, that's, is that Monday, Marvin? It is Monday, March 16th. Okay. March 16th in Atlanta. And I think it's, it says the Atlanta Hawks versus Magic City is that. Well, it's the Atlanta Hawks versus the Orlando Magic. But the theme

is Magic City Mondays. Yeah. And so they have a sweatshirt Magic City Mondays. Got the Hawks logo.

It is a legit thing between the Hawks and Magic City, the chicken wing establ...

and won't be here. And Marvin, when we went down for a celebrity family feud after we were done

later that day, Marvin and, uh, uh, Mario, uh, so you guys go, hey, we're going to go to Magic

City. So I gave them $100. And, uh, they wanted to make it rain. And, uh, I think you made it drizzle

maybe a little bit. I mean, it was gone in about 13 minutes. But you fell in love with is somebody soon as you walked in, correct? Oh, my goodness. Oh, if basketball terms, it was Steph Curry. What, what do you remember her name? I, I didn't tell you. It's the right answer. That is the right

answer, Marvin. I couldn't tell you. Yeah, Porsche. Oh, cinnamon. I mean, taught how delicious.

Wow. All right. You were strong. I mean, I took up my own money. Like, you know what, catch me out also. But you weren't the big spender. Oh, I was not there. There were, there were some

known people in there that we're spending, spend in few thousand, I'm guessing. Low bow,

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