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Tom Iso, Michigan State Head Coach, not thinking about retiring. He'll join us coming up a little bit later on as we'll grant him. Probably still stunned. He was on the call with Bill Rafftree and I and Eagle with the Yukon Duke finish. By the way, I keep checking the point spreads here for the final four and the Illinois

game with Yukon keeps kind of going back and forth between Illinois minus one and a half. It was two and a half yesterday. They've been kind of flip flopping, Michigan and Arizona is stayed at Michigan minus one and a half. Oh, I also have hypothetical national championship game betting lines.

If Arizona plays Connecticut, Arizona is a five and a half point favor. Michigan versus Connecticut, Michigan is a five and a half point favor. If Michigan plays Illinois, Michigan is a three and a half point favor. If Arizona plays Illinois, Arizona is a three and a half point favor. Just some numbers there for entertainment purposes only.

8773DP show, email address [email protected], Twitter handle at dpshow, poll question from our one and what are we thinking about our two, see. Yep, our one, we got there slightly controversial, ish one, I guess. Who's having the worst week, Tiger Woods, CB Buckner, Italian soccer or Duke basketball, right now Tiger Woods has 52% of that mode followed by CB Buckner, then Italian soccer and then

Duke basketball in the land. There's only about six or seven percentage points separating those three bottom options though. Yeah. And Buckner is a major league empire.

He's had some problems, whether he's behind the plate or last night at first base in

the brewer's game where he go, ah, you must be watching a different baseball game because he missed a call at first base. And you don't want to be famous if you're a referee or you're an umpire.

“It's rarely good where we go, ah, I remember that guy.”

Like Roger Ares, who was, you know, involved in the incident with Dan Hurley is becoming famous, even though he didn't do anything wrong, he was doing his job, but a lot of people have run with the topic of is he did he get demoted, did he get punished? These are headlines there that these are major outlets that they're saying basically, he

He's not going to referee in the final four.

And I don't know if anybody called the NCAA because you can call the NCAA. Now that doesn't mean that they're going to tell you the truth. My source said to us yesterday that I told you before this was going to become a story or people are going to speculate, but I was told that he was not being demoted, that probably Roger Ares was saying, I don't want to be a distraction here.

And I would be a distraction if I'm going to be there. And now that's not confirmed. Just so you know, that's from my source telling me that he did not get demoted or downgraded. So I wouldn't be doing, you know, the final four. The NCAA echoed those same sentiments.

All right, we'll get to more phone calls coming up. He's Mike Florio, pro football talk live co-host and his latest novel Big Shield available on Amazon in ebook form for only 99 cents. It's a tale of the mob, pro sports in the age of legalized gambling.

“Who plays you in the book if they make it into a movie?”

I'm not in the book. Oh, you're not in the book. Oh, okay. No, I'm not in the book. No, God.

I'm trying to try to write something people actually to be interested in in the morning. Why didn't know if it was based off your father? No, that was father of mine.

Oh, kind of, that's the first one that I did that focuses on mob activity that ran rampant

in my hometown of Wheeling, West Virginia in the 70s. My dad was a bookie in that crew inspired by it is the tagline for that one. Big Shield is inspired by the reality of the NFL that it tries to ignore that it could easily be infiltrated by betting interests and players could be corrupted and we've seen evidence of it with the NBA and MLB and it's just a matter of time before it happens to the NFL.

“Where is the entry point do you think for this kind of corruption fixing games with the NFL?”

Oh, I think players are a very easy way to do it. Not as it relates to fixing games, but fixing bets, prop bets, what we saw with Terrosier, right? Yeah. Leaving a game early, somebody loads up on the unders.

We've seen that multiple times in the NBA, the micro betting, which I think is becoming more and more of a focus, number one because it's so damn addictive for the gamblers, but number two, it's so easy to manipulate the outcome of a given play to know what a given play is going to be, the main character in Big Shield, one of the things he does beyond providing information ahead of time is what the game plan is, who's going to get the ball,

how we're going to attack. One play at a time, let's it be known whether the next play is a runner or pass and it can be that simple in a world of widespread micro betting where it's as simple as is the next play or runner or pass. We look back last year at this time with our show notes and we spent a couple of days on

the Tush push and it felt like it was going away. The NFL was trying to manufacture numbers for the safety of the sport. We knew it wasn't aesthetically pleasing and then all of a sudden everybody seems to be okay with the Tush push. What happened, Mike?

Wait, now it's funny, the end 22 votes against the Tush push last year, 67% of the league was in favor of scrapping the rule, but for the fact that the Constitution of the NFL requires 75% to change a rule, it would have been gone. This year, there's no discussion about it at all, look, the goal post constantly moved in 2025.

It was, it's a safety issue. Then it was, it's not aesthetic, it's not football, it's not this, it's not that. Some people thought it just flowed from the jealousy and resentment of the Eagles because they were using it and they pushed it all the way to a championship.

“I think it's as simple as the commissioner was watching the NFC Championship game, capping”

the 2024 season. He saw the moment where the commanders deliberately went off side enough times to get referee Sean Hawkely to say, if you do it one more time, I'm awarding a touchdown or a ruling

NFL has never applied in 107 years and I think that sparked an effort to get rid of it

and when they swung in missed last year, there wasn't the input as somebody told me before the season, it's going to depend on how remarkable the play is throughout 2025 and it wasn't remarkable enough to put it on anyone's radar. Okay, but if the Eagles did won the Super Bowl again, it would have been remarkable. That's the key, it would have taken something to create an urgency.

The NFL only has so much bandwidth. The current urgency is this apparent plan to lock out the officials and expand the use of replay to help the high school and junior college officials, so it's all about bandwidth. How much time do you have? How many hours in a day?

It wasn't enough last year to get it on that radar screen of the things the NFL is currently trying to do. Why are they going to lock out the officials?

they claim they're trying to improve officiating.

Now, the commissioner said in his pre-super Bowl press conference, I'm amazed at how good the officials are, they're changing their tune dramatically and the problem with saying we need them to be better, we need them to be better. The easy answer to that is dig deep in your pocket, use some of that gambling money you're now getting from all the different sports books and all the different revenue streams and

the game keeps getting more and more profitable. Use some of that money to have full-time officials across the board 12 months a year. No seasonal employees, no part-time employees, everybody else connected the NFL's working full-time. So they need to be careful about how hard they bang that drum if we have to improve officiating.

But I've been following it closely now and look, it seems like the kind of thing to ban like any other negotiation, you get in a room, you close the door, you sit down,

the people of sound mining, goodwill can work something out.

I feel like the NFL wants to lock them out for some of the purpose as simple as justifying an expansion of the use of technology when it comes to officiating. My Florio Pro football talk live, co-host. But what kind of implementation are we going to have that the officials are going to object to?

“Well, I think they'll object to anything that would eventually reduce the number of jobs.”

And the commissioner in the past has mentioned that they could try to find ways to use AI to improve officiating. We know that the quality of the camera angles is so much better. They now have that Hawkeye system in every stadium that gives the league. And it's not stuff that we routinely see on TV.

The league has access to great looks at everything. Now, I don't know that the league has the capacity to properly assist the replacement officials to get everything right. Think about how many games are played at one o'clock Eastern on a Sunday. Do you have enough people in the room who know what they're doing to help Jacksonville

at Houston and Tampa Bay at New Orleans and the games that don't get pulled into a prime time window? You give me a prime time game. Okay. There's only one game on.

We'll trust that the league, although that may be misplaced, trust it. We trust they won't screw it up. But, I mean, look at the controversies that come up already with instant replays.

“So, I think this idea that, oh, it won't be like last time with the failmary from that”

Seahawks Packers debacle that ended the lock out and caused the NFL to finally blink

because now they can use replay centralized. I think that's too easy of a fix, but I also think it's a way for them to start experimenting with cheaper options and maybe they are just trying to break the union. I've seen different words used in how the NFL issues its statements that makes me wonder, and I don't want to read too much into it, but it's like, are they really just trying

to break this union and start over again? We'll find out. You had the story about is the NFL looking to cap how much of individual player can make. Expound upon them. Well, the NBA has had for how many years now, as long as I can remember, which isn't

very long anymore, but they've had the max contracts and there's a limit to what anyone player can make. I've been trying to figure out the full menu of things the NFL is going to want when it's time to engage with the new NFL players association executive director, J.C. Trader, because the league has been waiting for things to settle down with the union, as one source explained

to me over the weekend, the NFL believes its business has been, quote unquote, constipated by the turmoil at the NFL PA. They want to get things moving. They want to get the 18 games, 16 international games every year. So what else do they want?

They've made noise in the past about maybe reconfiguring the salary cap because you know, expenses are going up and we pay those out of our half. That's what the owners say. We maybe need more than half of all the revenue to pay our expenses, but one of the things I've caught wind of trying to come up with this list of what all they want, this possibility

“and I believe the union is bracing for it individual players, a limit on how much they”

can make. I cap on how much a franchise quarterback is going to make and Dan, currently the franchise quarterbacks aren't involved in union matters. If that becomes then, you're going to see Patrick with Hobbes, Josh Allen, Dak Press got all the great quarterbacks are going to be lining up to get key spots in union management.

Let me understand this, the commissioner actually, I think he said this that they haven't even talked about the 18 game schedule. We know they've talked about the 18. I don't know why he doesn't say, yes, we've thought about it. Of course we have, you know, just like the international games, the number of games that

we're going to be played internationally, we knew we were headed here. We know we're headed to 18 games. Jerry Jones comes out and says, hey, the players can make more money if there's an 18th

Thank you, Jerry.

What is the timeframe for this 18 game schedule?

And this is something that we reported the day after the Super Bowl and we've been talking about it more and more and there was nothing that happened in Arizona the past few days to make me think that this has changed, Super Bowl 62 in Atlanta. They do not have a date picked yet, and Peter O'Reilly, one of the NFL executive APs tried to downplay that the other day, but in so doing he also said, well, not having

“a date allows for important things like schedule flexibility.”

Well, if it's going to be 17 games and one by and it starts after Labor Day weekend, we know Super Bowl 62 will be played February 13, 20, 28 in Atlanta. There's nothing to wait for. So what would change? They're not going back to Labor Day weekend until they have to.

That's not a high ratings weekend for the NFL. They abandoned it in 2001. It would be the addition of another game. And that's specifically why I reported it at the time. They don't have a date for that Super Bowl.

They don't know how many games are going to play that year, so they're still holding out the possibility. And it may be slim at this point, but the whole now hope for the possibility 18 games

by 2027, which is the season after next, which is amazing when you think about it because

it's this big. Oh, it's going to happen at some point. It could be happening sooner than later.

“So Mike, I can't plan my retirement party in Atlanta at that Super Bowl, right?”

I don't know when I'm retiring. You got to have, you got to have important scheduling flexibility. Dan, the legal get back to all of us. Now, Riley said, Riley said that, that it's not uncommon to not have a date at this point relative to so I, I think it is pretty uncommon.

I think it's unprecedented to be 22 months out and not know which week they need for the convention center and thousands of hotel rooms. I think that's unprecedented, but he seemed to suggest by the start of the season. Well, no.

So by September, you should not.

Okay. Mike Floreo is a latest novel, big shield available on Amazon and ebook forum for only 99 cents. It's a tale of the mob, pro sports in the age of legalized gambling. Thank you, Mike.

Dan, great talk to you, buddy. That's Mike Floreo, pro football, talk live, show the pre-seeds hours on peacock. If you're watching on peacock, thank you for downloading the app. More of your phone calls coming up. Coming up next.

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Me make way for Tom is of Michigan State Head Basketball Coach won a title back in 2000 for time big ten coach of the year joining us from his office. Doesn't look like anything's changed in that office coach. Well, I tell you what, Dan, it's good to talk to you. At first of all, I wonder if I get a grill for a talk and yeah, I like the grill.

That was good. And now you got Grant Hill coming up, he's one of my favorites, so I'm just sandwiched between a grill and. And Grant. You want a grill?

Oh, that sounded like it was awesome. Okay. I'll take care of that. Okay. I'll send you a grill.

Rectack will send you a grill and you could have recruits in there and, you know, I don't know if that's a violation. Oh, it's not anymore. There are no. Okay, I can bring you in as a shift in fact, it's no good.

All right, best team you face this year. Wow. I mean, I guess Michigan would have to be the most talented, best team I face. I thought Duke was awfully good. In fact, you know, you're talking about a top situation, Dan.

I keep telling my, my assistance, I thought John Shire did the best job he's ever done. You know, I thought that was a very good Duke team. But maybe not quite as talented as we're normally used to seeing. And they just kept winning. And that shows you how brutal this tournament is.

But, you know, Michigan is one of the best that we played, Michigan, I do like you kind of lot. I think Illinois came on the best. So those are three teams to find out for it. What the hell might plan on this?

I don't know. There's many losses. Coach, I got you. Iowa Duke, Michigan, Illinois, Purdue, Michigan again, and Connecticut. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.

So you can never rip me about scheduling.

Yeah. Show. I'll do that. Hey, I'll never say that you're afraid to schedule somebody. But I remember when you played UConn in the, like an exhibition game, how does that

happen between you and Dan Hurley? Well, Danny called me where friends you know, but we've got to be better friends as the year went on even.

“But, uh, I ain't not like Dan, I think he's certified me crazy.”

Yes. But I think he's, uh, I think his passion is love for his players. What he's done with that program has been phenomenal. And I just thought one of my players, I'm always worried, are we tough enough? I knew his team was tough.

And when we went there, just so you know, they kicked our butt, you know, it ended

But it was, we got down 12 early, kind of like the game we played.

And I never could catch up.

Yeah, I've never watched in that game.

“And if you would have said, uh, which one of these teams is going to go further?”

I would have said Connecticut is going to go further in the tournament because, wow, you have, you know, Teddy, you could would say about you then. You have a wonderful sense for the obvious. Thank you. So Hurley's good crazy.

Yeah. Yeah. But that moment that he has with Roger Ares, can you explain that as a coach of, in that moment, out of body experience? Yeah.

You know, we have a body experience as, you know, and Roger Ares wanted to better

officials in the whole damn country.

But, um, you know, sometimes officials lose it, sometimes coaches lose it, you know, we're supposed to be human. I think that's the cool part about it. We are human. And that means, you know, we let our emotions get the best of us, it's an emotional

game.

“And, uh, but I think all in all, you'd say that most people have great respect for Dan.”

Explain to me that last 10 seconds with Duke, like, let's say you're in the huddle. And you know, they're going to press, they may foul. So what do you tell your team to do in that moment? Yeah. I'd want him to get it to my best free throw shooter to be honest with you.

And, uh, I thought that Duke did everything right. It's, you know, you've got a freshman that just dribbled. And, you know, I listened to Jay Bill has talked about what Duke does at their practices turn and face. And, you know, what, he's going to say that when you, you get in the moment.

And by the way, that freshman was unbelievable, uh, boozer was unbelievable, uh, early in the game, you know, and what he did the game before. So I, uh, that said, I've been a 15 got beaten by a two, I, uh, I think John did an incredible job all year.

And I always tell my team, you got to be good enough to get somewhere, which is the sweet

16 after that, you got to be lucky enough and healthy enough. They weren't real healthy. And that night, they weren't real lucky. Now, give, you concrete it, um, I told Danny the next day, I said, I deserve some credit for your comeback, because I showed you that a team could be 19 down and come back and

go ahead, like we did. And that damn guy gave me no credit, you know, so I don't know if I liked that as much I used to. He did talk about having a conversation with you when he was thinking about going to the Lakers, because you were thinking about going to the Cavaliers, um, what was the advice

that you gave him at that time?

“Well, I, I, I didn't want to lose him in college basketball, because I think he's so good”

for it. But I did say, well, you got to keep an eye on what's happening in our profession, too. And, uh, I don't know what I do if it was today, you know, like he had a chance of a year or two ago. And, uh, I, I think things are so crazy in college athletics right now.

I don't know if I feel different if I was to be very honest with you, because, uh, I think something has to be done with the insanity we're going through. But, I don't think anybody else cares, so I'll just keep pluck along and see if I can get to a final for again. Well, let's say that opportunity came up, given these circumstances with the Cavaliers.

And, you know, I don't know how old you were at the time. But, well, I was a lot younger, but I bet, you know, I bet, you know, more than a couple job offers than the, in the NBA and, and look, that one last year with Phoenix, you know, and, uh, my former player Matt Hyspia and, um, that was hard. That was a hard thing to turn down because, number one, I, I kind of wanted to go with

him. So they offered you the head coaching job. Well, we talked serious to you about it. Let's say that. And then number two is, you know, I've been pretty vocal about it.

I don't like what's going on in college athletics, but by the way, neither do 99.8% of the football basketball coaches in America. And I think the kids are going to still find out before it's done. It's not best for them either, but in the meantime, you got to do what you got to do. And I'll let guys like you call me old school, but that means your old school too.

And I think we're both right school. So we'll see what happens. When the transfer portal opens, I've been told 1100 men's basketball players will be in the portal. 1100.

1100 and one, my wife's thinking I put him in the corner too. And I guess I'm part of college basketball, but yeah, it's, I mean, you tell me there's any sanity to that and you tell me that's right. And you know, what people like you, media people don't do, sorry, but since you guys can critique us, we can critique you guys once in a while.

and what it creates later in their life. We just talk about the successful quarterback who did it and let a team to hear in there. But there's a lot of guys that fail a lot more that failed and succeed. And I don't know where they're going to go when they've been to three four different schools. But I guess it's not my problem.

I'm, I stayed put, so I'm still here.

“Tom Israel Michigan State Head Basketball Coach, do kids have to go to class anymore?”

Because I, I bring up that used to be when I was going to school, you could be academically and eligible athletes were academically and eligible. I haven't heard anybody be academically and eligible in a few years here, Coach. Boy, I love that statement.

First of all, they do here.

I think they do it a lot of places. But second of all, you, you scored my line from earlier. You know, are there any rules? Is there any accountability? I mean, it seems like if you don't like something, get a lawyer and go sue.

And so I don't know. I don't know what most schools do. I know this. I'm a couple weeks away from going to my 35th, uh, straight graduation. I have seen every player here graduate.

That has graduated, which has been a high percentage. And, uh, yeah, we still go to class here, Dan. We really do anybody in the tournament? Did you recruit, uh, Mullins? Yes, I did.

“Did I call them in the line too, that he made a bad decision?”

He said, why? He said, he just caused me a chance. You think you, you had him here, you'd be still playing. Well, put it this way. He's pretty good player.

And, uh, he is, ironically, this is a true story. He's from Indiana. And my trainer is from his high school and real good friends with his dad. So when we didn't get him, my father's my trainer. And rightfully so.

You're thinking you're in, right? I mean, if you, you got him, don't you?

Oh, no, he was recruited by a lot of people and I never felt that comfortable about

getting them. But, uh, I just said we recruited him, but he was, uh, is a hell of a player, you know. And, uh, he even had some injuries this year, you know, and that early on when we played him the first time. Uh, but that kid's going to be, he's just going to get better and better as his body

fills out. He's six, six. Uh, he can shoot the ball pretty good from long long long. Yeah. That was a fucking shot.

I sort of got. He can shoot it from there. Uh, the McDonald's all American game. It feels like everybody's between six, five and six, eight.

And they all do the same thing.

If you go back to the old McDonald's all American game, you might have had Kenny Anderson in there. Uh, then you would have a shack, like, like, we don't have that, you know, separation of a six footer and a seven footer feels like everybody's around the same height doing the same thing.

Well, we had to get in there, you know, uh, just say a jubis, uh, it was six, four, six, five. Yeah.

“And I, I think you're right, uh, there was a lot of that in those games.”

And I think that's because we've got a lot of position this basketball, the big guys have kind of gone by the wayside sort of, but I do think, uh, I think Charles Barkley and Shaq, those guys think the big guys coming back, I do think when eating in our league, you know, the seven four kid and I think the big guys are going to come back. I think everything's cyclical, you know, everybody gets into this three point shooting

because it's the new sexy thing and, and at the end of the day, I still think you got to be balanced and what you do Ryan Day at Ohio State was talking about if you don't adapt, you die in college, well, he was on that college football or you retired. I mean, the guys who are, you know, right there with you or were, they've all retired or were they retired earlier.

Yeah. I mean, caliparian, patino, or still doing it and you, but you guys are dinosaurs. What a compliment. Yes. I think, uh, yeah, I think I'll return before I die, hopefully, but, uh, you know, I do,

I do talk the right day, you know, Nick Sabin's a guy that, you know, when he went out, I said, wow, you know, cause Nick and I started here together and I just thought Nick would go till forever. And, um, but, you know, I don't think it's any secret that I'm not saying what everybody's doing, but the process is, is making this more difficult of a job.

I mean, you don't just coach any more. You talk to agents. You talk to people. You raise money. Tony Bennett, retirees and Jay Wright retired, I mean, they retire.

Good guys, too. Good coaches and good friends of mine. And, um, I think I'm just to stubborn to retire, you know, like, I feel good to be honest with you, Dan.

And, uh, but that's three out of four are my side. So I got to deal with the profession, like Ryan said, a DAP somewhat, but a DAP doesn't mean all of a sudden, there's no rules. There's no accountability. I mean, what we're going through now, I mean, any time there's a problem, just get a lawyer

and fix it. You know, and, uh, I guess lawyers must be that good or judges.

“But, uh, do these kids, do these kids ask you for money?”

Do they say, this is what I want? I asked them for money now, but do they, do they have an intermediary? Oh, yeah, yeah, okay. Okay.

So they don't say all come to Michigan State, I want two and a half million dollars.

That was parents and his agents said, okay, but you're not involved in that. Oh, yeah, I am here, you know, you know, you're all these guys got GMs and all that. I just, I think it's great, but I think at the end of the day, I had coaches making the decisions, you know, like in the NBA and NFL, it's different, because there's salary caps, everybody knows there's transparency.

If I looked at everything we're doing then, the, uh, the NIL, the tampering, um, as you say, it's going to open next week, the transfer portal. If I had one thing, I'd like to change, it would be just transparency. So we all know what everybody's making and doing, and then we're not getting lied to everybody.

Transparency would really help the profession right now.

But okay, what if, uh, magic Johnson said here, and I got $10 million dollars that I'm

going to give that you can use, okay, could you use his $10 million dollars?

“Do you have to report that you're using his $10 million dollars?”

How does that work? Yeah, you started to do, I mean, they, they said that was a new big rule they're going to do through this clearing house, I don't think any of them work you heard about in Repshare, you know, where each school's going to get $56 million and football programs are going to get $16, 17 million dollars.

People are way beyond those at a lot of places. So, uh, that would help, but I don't think that would solve everything. But it, but coaching, yeah, the best players, um, there's a lot of programs out there but a lot of money and they didn't even get past the first weekend.

So it's not always about the money either.

No, but it feels like there's still, back in the day when, you know, things were illegal and under the table, it still feels like you can do that in college athletics. You can, there's no reason why you can't do something illegal and it's, that it's going on right now, just because we have this NIL and every, you know, transfer portal. I mean, somebody can give somebody money if they want, or car, or house, or a job.

100% in my, now they wouldn't say that, but to me, the NIL means pay for play and you can just pay them to play them. And, um, the only difference is it's, it's still sort of illegal, but it's not illegal.

“That's, that's, that's what's so hard, that's it's so confusing and who, who says what's”

legal and not legal anymore, you know, I don't know, but did we solve anything with this conversation? Yeah, I still enjoy being on your show because you're crazy and, uh, I probably got a new grill and I get to watch Grand Hill after I'm done and magic just gave me 10 million. We figured that, uh, I still figured John Shire did a hell of a job and it's going to

be a hell of a final pour, there's a lot of good teams in it, but, uh, I feel good about our run this year and I feel like, uh, I fell short again. So one of these days, you're going to have me on from Indianapolis or wherever the final pour is and not from my office, so it looks so boring. Yeah, what, yeah, stop disappointing me.

Did it end Detroit next year? Yes, there you go. So I say that if we can get their next year, you should do your show from there. How about, how about if you win next year, would you retire a lock off in Michigan? Now, you know what, I mean, people asked me that last year because we were one step from the final four if you're doing it, you know, I don't have any interest in retiring, right?

Now, I, I don't think it would be, it would be because I'm sick of the circumstances. It's not going to be because I'm sick of coaching, sick of the players, love my university. The circumstances get to us and, uh, but winning or not wouldn't change that. You could walk off and walk right to the NBA coach, right to walk off and rock right to my beach house.

And right to your rec tech grill.

There you go, and I keep blowing like a, that's so pretty. Thank you coach. Thanks, Dan. That's Tom Isill, Michigan State Head Coach. Was it public about him with Phoenix, Paulie?

I was shocked when he said it. He said he talked to the suns and his close. I looked around, I could find nothing about him as a candidate for the sunslarge. Because Matt Ispier is a former walk on a Michigan State who is the owner of the suns. Yeah, he was on the 2000 team. I think that won the National title is a role player.

Let's feel like Tom was saying something and then I don't know if he realized that he was saying something and I was like, wait a minute, hold on.

“I didn't know that at least I don't remember that.”

All right. Let me take a break.

Got phone calls coming up.

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“Well, we checked to see if Tom is, so it ever said anything publicly about taking over”

the Phoenix Sun's head coach, and he said it was close. And I don't think I've heard-you know, I knew about the Cleveland Cavaliers. He would have taken the Cavaliers job. LeBron was leaving to go to Miami, so the timing wouldn't have been good. But this one with the Phoenix Sun's former player Matt Ishpia is the owner of the Sun's.

And, you know, is it was probably saying, hey, I don't want to deal with, you know, college athletics used to be-you could control everything. It was kind of simplified. I got you, you're not going to be leaving. I don't have to worry about transfers, and if I do, somebody's got to sit out a year.

I'm not worried about collectives, I'm not worried about any of this stuff. Now all of a sudden coaching seems to be the easy part of this. It's everything else that you got to be a CEO, and he's probably saying, hey, I'll take the headache of being an MBA coach coaching more games. Yeah, Paulie.

When coach is a set-up, all of us on this side looked at it, and like, does anyone- is there going to hurt this story before? But the sun's in his eye. A couple of phone calls in here. Jim and Michigan.

Hi, Jim. What's on your mind today?

“Hey, Dan, thanks for calling me back up.”

I have two autographs stories, and actually my parents secured the autographs. Again, as brother were contractors early in the '60s, working on a Detroit Tigers basement, and at the end of the job, he asked for an autograph, and it was Al Qaylan. I still have the picture, it's a black and white picture without Qaylan, and I treasure it.

And about 10 years later, my mom was a server in Michigan here, and people can evil was like my idol at the time. He had come into the rust rod, and was sitting there, and she walked up to him, and he wrote an autograph for me there as well. It's a happy landing to Jimmy from evil can evil.

So I'd two autographs, so that I got by and by parents that it meant a lot to be excellent. All right. Well, thank you, Jim. David and Ohio. Good morning, David.

What's on your mind? Hey, morning, Dan. I got one thing for you, the cowboys, they're going to win next year's Super Bowl. Super Bowl. Thank you.

Thank you, David. Good to hear from you. He crushed that. Yeah. David absolutely crushed that April Fool's joke.

Boatie in Bozeman. Hey, Boatie. Hey, Dan. Hey, Boatie. Five, eleven, one, seventy, five, I've got some Jagus NBA names for you.

Well, first, the quick throwback to April Fool's when you were at the mother ship, and

there was a, there was not live, look, look in, there was a live listening, and you had a pretend fight with devil. He stormed out of the room, and yeah, you full me, and a lot of other people. Yep. Um, and so I feel like these are obvious, so I don't remember hearing them before.

So Vegas names for you can't go Kings, you can't go Aces, but what about Jacks, jokers, Queens, Spades, clubs, diamonds, dice, heart. We can't do jokers. You don't want to be called a joker or joker. Um, yeah, I don't, I don't think you want to be called Queens.

“Um, diamonds, yeah, Vegas strip, you know, that's what I'm going with, Vegas strip.”

Let's see, Ron did Texas, I ronda welcome back. Hey, good morning, Dan, I also have a suggestion for the NBA Las Vegas team, but first May I just say that you are walking that green hoodie today, I can picture a younger damn. I think you're so getting into not a green Volkswagen, but a mid-night boy's classic six

big five, my 92 plus two hatchbacks. Oh, yeah, that, uh, I wish I had it, Ron, uh, I could have, I could have had a high school career off the court. Yes, Eden, a little uncomfortable with Ron the flirting of this aggressively with you on the show.

Ron, are you flirting with me? Yes, sir. Well, thank you. Thank you. Awesome.

Hey, you're never too old to flirt, Ron doesn't boss.

I know. She's been a regular late night. And she's crushing it. I think Ron to, you know, probably laid up with surgery and sitting there, watching, thinking

Apparently, I got this kind of mint green, you're conjuring some images.

Uh, apparently. I know.

“Ah, I'll have to tell my wife, that Ron to Texas was flirting with me.”

It won't be as awkward as when I had to kiss the woman during the movie blended, and it wasn't in the script, and Sandler goes Danny, try kissing her. And my daughter was on set, and she looked up, and all of a sudden, I had to, I'm rehearsing, and I'm, what's her name, Kovie McClendon? Wendy McClendon, Kovie.

Okay.

And I'd never matter, and I'm doing our lines, and I'm not right next to her.

And I ended up, in the scene kissing her, and I came down in my daughter, she goes, "You're gonna tell mom, right?" I go, "Yes, yes." I said, "Hon, it's acting."

“She goes, "I know, but for actors, but not for you."”

I go, okay. But with Ron, I don't know, all bets are off. That won't be acting. Grand Hill set to join us, coming up next, final hour, and this Wednesday after this. Ready for a different take on Formula One, look no further than no grip, a new podcast tackling

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