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You want to start with the first version from the big kid coach of the year?

Oh, what do you like to get? Yeah, you're a Spartan, is that what I mean? Exactly. So whether your bracket is busted, or you just want the real talk on what's happening during the tournament, open your free eye-harp radio app, search Flagrant, and funny with Carrie

Champion and Jamel Hill, and listen now. Presented by Capital One, Founding Farner of Eye-Heart Women's Sports. You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox Sports Radio. These Mike Florial, Profit Ball Talk Live co-hosts, and his latest novel Big Shield available on Amazon in e-book form for only 99 cents.

It's a tale of the mob, pro sports in the age of legalized gambling. Who plays you in the book if they make it into a movie? I'm not in the book. Oh, you're not in the book. Oh, okay.

No, I'm not in the book. I'm trying to write something, people actually would be interested in it. I'm warning. Why didn't know if it was based off your father?

No, that was father of mine, that's the first one that I did that focuses on mob activity

that ran rampant in my hometown of Wheeling, West Virginia, in the 70s. My dad was a bookie in that crew, inspired by, is the tagline for that one. Big Shield is inspired by the reality of the NFL that it tries to ignore that it could easily be infiltrated by betting interests and players could be corrupted, and we've seen evidence of it with the NBA and MLB, and it's just a matter of time before it happens to the NFL.

Where is the entry point do you think for this kind of corruption fixing games with the NFL?

Oh, I think players are a very easy way to do it. Not as it relates to fixing games, but fixing bets, prop bets. What we saw with Terry Rosier, right? Yeah. We're going to game early, somebody loads up on the unders.

We've seen that multiple times in the NBA. The micro betting, which I think is becoming more and more of a focus, number one, because it's so damn addictive for the gamblers, but number two, it's so easy to manipulate the outcome of a given play, to know what a given play is going to be the main character in big shield.

One of the things he does beyond providing information ahead of time is what the game plan is who's going to get the ball, how we're going to attack one play at a time, he lets it be known whether the next play is a runner-up pass, and it can be that simple in a world of widespread micro betting where it's as simple as is the next play a runner-up pass. We look back last year at this time with our show notes, and we spent a couple of days

on the touch push, and it felt like it was going away. The NFL was trying to manufacture numbers for the safety of the sport. We knew it wasn't aesthetically pleasing, and then all of a sudden everybody seems to be okay with the touch push. What happened, Mike?

Right now it's funny that there are 22 votes against the touch push last year. 67% of the league was in favor of scrapping the rule, but for the fact that the constitution of the NFL requires 75% to change the rule, it would have been gone.

This year, there's no discussion about it at all.

Look, the goal post constantly moved in 2025. It was, it's a safety issue, then it was, it's not aesthetic, it's not football, it's not this, it's not that. Some people thought it just flowed from the jealousy and resentment of the Eagles because they were using it, and they pushed it all the way to a championship.

I think it's as simple as the commissioner was watching the NFC championship game, capping

the 2024 season. He saw the moment where the commanders deliberately went off side enough times to get referee Sean Hawkely to say, if you do it one more time, I'm awarding a touchdown

under a ruling NFL has never applied in 107 years, and I think that sparked an effort

to get rid of it, and when they swung in missed last year, there wasn't the input. Somebody told me before the season, it's going to depend on how remarkable the play is throughout 2025, and it wasn't remarkable enough to put it on anyone's radar, okay. But if the Eagles had won the Super Bowl again, it would have been remarkable. That's the key.

It would have taken something to create an urgency. The NFL only has so much bandwidth. The current urgency is this apparent plan to lock out the officials and expand the use of replay to help the high school and junior college officials. So it's all about bandwidth.

How much time do you have? How many hours in a day? It wasn't enough last year to get it on that radar screen of the things the NFL is currently trying to do. Why are they going to lock out the officials?

Well, I mean, money is always the easy answer when it comes to anything like this, and

they claim they're trying to improve officiating. Now, the commissioner said in his pre-Super Bowl press conference, I'm amazed at how good the officials are. They're changing their tune dramatically, and the problem with saying we need them to be better, we need them to be better.

The easy answer to that is dig deep in your pocket, use some of that gambling money you're now getting from all the different sports books, and all the different revenue streams, and the game keeps getting more and more profitable. Use some of that money to have full-time officials across the board, 12 months a year. No seasonal employees, no part-time employees.

Everybody else connected to the NFL's working full-time. So they need to be careful about how hard they bang that drum. We have to improve officiating, but I've been following it closely now, and look, it seems like the kind of thing to add, like any other negotiation, you get in a room, you close the door, you sit down, people of soundmining, good will can work something out.

I feel like the NFL wants to lock them out for some of the purpose, as simple as justifying an expansion of the use of technology when it comes to officiating.

My Florio Profitball Talk Live co-host, but what kind of implementation are we going to have?

But the officials are going to object to. Well, I think they'll object to anything that would eventually reduce the number of jobs. And the commissioner in the past has mentioned that they could try to find ways to use AI to improve officiating. We know that the quality of the camera angles is so much better.

They now have that Hawkeye system in every stadium that gives the league, and it's not enough that we routinely see on TV, the league has access to great looks at everything. Now, I don't know that the league has the capacity to properly assist the replacement officials to get everything right. Think about how many games are played at one o'clock Eastern on a Sunday.

Do you have enough people in the room who know what they're doing to help Jacksonville at Houston and Tampa Bay at New Orleans and the games that don't get pulled into a prime time window? A prime time game. Okay.

There's only one game on. We'll trust that the league, although that may be misplaced, trust it. We trust they won't screw it up, but look at the controversies that come up already with instant replay.

So I think this idea that, oh, it won't be like last time with the failmary from that

Seahawks Packers debacle that ended the lock out and caused the NFL to finally blink

because now they can use replay centralized. I think that's too easy of a fix, but I also think it's a way for them to start experimenting with cheaper options. And maybe they are just trying to break the union. I've seen different words used in how the NFL issues its statements that makes me wonder,

and I don't want to read too much into it, but it's like, are they really just trying to break this union and start over again? We'll find out. You have the story about is the NFL looking to cap how much of individual player can make, expand upon them.

Well, the NBA has had for how many years now. As long as I can remember, which isn't very long anymore, but they've had the max contracts and there's a limit to what any one player can make. I've been trying to figure out the full menu of things the NFL is going to want when it's time to engage with the new NFL players association executive director, JC Trader,

Because the league has been waiting for things to settle down with the union ...

explained to me over the weekend.

The NFL believes its business has been, quote unquote, constipated by the turmoil at the NFL PA. They want to get things moving. They want to get the 18 games, 16 international games every year. So what else do they want?

They've made noise in the past about maybe reconfiguring the salary cap because you know, expenses are going up, and we pay those out of our half. That's what the owners say. We maybe need more than half of all the revenue to pay our expenses, but one of the things I've caught wind of trying to come up with this list of what all they want is possibility.

And I believe the union is bracing for it individual players, a limit on how much they can

make. I cap on how much a franchise quarterback's going to make and Dan, currently the franchise quarterbacks aren't involved in union matters.

If that becomes then, you're going to see Patrick Gohobs, Josh Allen, DAC press got all

the great quarterbacks. You're going to be lining up to get key spots in union management. Let me understand this that commissioner actually, I think he said this that they haven't even talked about the 18 game schedule. We know they've talked about the 18.

Yes. I don't know why he doesn't say, yes, we've thought about it. Of course we have, you know, just like the international games, the number of games that we're going to be played internationally, we knew we were headed here. We know we're headed to 18 games.

Jerry Jones comes out and says, hey, the players can make more money if there's an 18th game. Thank you, Jerry. What is the timeframe for this 18 game schedule? And then this is something that we reported the day after the Super Bowl and we've been talking

about it more and more and there was nothing that happened in Arizona in the past few days to make me think that this has changed. Super Bowl 62 in Atlanta, they do not have a date picked yet and Peter O'Reilly wanted the NFL executive E.P.'s tried to downplay that the other day, but in so doing he also

said, well, not having a date allows for, you know, important things like schedule,

flexibility. Well, if it's going to be 17 games and one by and it starts after the Labor Day weekend, we know Super Bowl 62 will be played February 13, 20, 28 in Atlanta. There's nothing to wait for. So what would change?

They're not going back to Labor Day weekend until they have to. That's not a high ratings weekend for the NFL. They abandoned it in 2001. It would be the addition of another game and that's specifically why I reported it at the time.

They don't have a date for that Super Bowl. They don't know how many games are going to play that year, so they're still holding out the possibility. And it may be slim at this point, but they're holding out hope for the possibility 18 games

by 2027, which is the season after next, which is amazing when you think about it because

it's as big. Oh, it's going to happen at some point. It could be happening sooner than later.

Oh, Mike, I can't plan my retirement party in Atlanta at that Super Bowl, right?

I don't know when I'm retiring. You've got to have, you've got to have important scheduling flexibility, Dan, the legal get back to all of us. Now, Riley said, Riley said that it's not uncommon to not have a date at this point relative to.

So I, I think it is pretty uncommon. I think it's unprecedented to be 22 months out and not know which week they need for the convention center and thousands of hotel rooms. I think that's unprecedented, but he seemed to suggest by the start of the season. Well, no.

So by September, you should not. Okay. Mike Florio is a latest novel, big shield available on Amazon and ebook form for only 99 cents. It's a tale of the mob, pro sports in the age of legalized gambling.

Thank you, Mike. Hey, great talk to you, buddy. Yeah, it's Mike Florio. Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick Show weekdays at 9 a.m. Eastern 6 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app.

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Doesn't look like anything's changed in that office coach. Well, I'll tell you what, Dan, it's good to talk to you. At first of all, I wondered if I'd get a grill for a talk, and yeah, I liked the grill. That was good, and now you got Grant Hill coming up, he's one of my favorites, so I'm just sandwiched between a grill and-

And Grant. Yeah. You want a grill? Oh, that's all it like it was awesome. Okay, I'll take care of that.

Okay. I'll send you a grill. I'll send you a grill, and you could have recruits in there, and, you know, I don't know if that's a violation. Oh, it's not anymore.

There are no bussings. There's no one. Okay, I can bring you in as a shift, but it's not good. All right, best team, you face this year. Wow.

I mean, I guess Michigan would have to be the most talented, best team I faced. I thought Duke was awfully good. In fact, you know, you're talking about a tough situation, Dan, I kept telling my assistants, I thought John Shire did the best job he's ever done, you know, I thought that was a very good Duke team, but maybe not quite as talented as we're normally used to seeing.

And they just kept winning, and that shows you how brutal this tournament is, but, you

Know, Michigan is one of the best that we played, Michigan, I do like you kin...

I think Illinois came on the best, so those are three teams in the final four. What's that on my plan? I don't know. I don't know. There's many losses.

Coach, I got you. Iowa Duke, Michigan, Illinois, Purdue, Michigan again, and Connecticut.

Yeah, they were all in the, the, the, the, the, why do you lead in?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So, you can never rip me up on scheduling.

Yeah, show. Don't do that. Hey, I, I'll never say that you're afraid to schedule somebody, but I remember when you played UConn in the, like, an exhibition game, how does that happen between you and Dan Hurley?

Well, Danny, call me where, where friends, you know, but we've got to be better friends as the year went on even, but, uh, I ain't not like Dan, I, I think he's certifiedly crazy. Yes, but I think he's, uh, I, I think his passion is love for his players. Uh, what he's done with that program has been phenomenal, and I just, uh, I want to my players.

I'm always worried, are we tough enough? I knew his team was tough, and when we went there, just so you know, they kicked their butt, you know, it ended up like 10 point game, but it was, we got down 12 early, kind

of like the game we played and, uh, never could catch up.

Yeah, I've never watched in that game, and if you would have said, uh, which one of these teams is going to go further? I would have said Connecticut is going to go further in the tournament, because, wow, you have, you know, Teddy, you could say about you, Dan, you have a wonderful sense for the audience.

Thank you. Thank you. So, hurley's, good crazy. Yeah. Yeah.

I love him. But that moment that he has with Roger Eres, can you explain that as a coach of, in that moment, out of body experience? Yeah. You know, we have out of body experiences, you know, and Roger Eres, one of the better

officials in the whole damn country, but, um, you know, sometimes officials lose it, sometimes

coaches lose it, you know, where's supposed to be human, I think that's the cool part about

it. We are human. And that means, you know, we let our emotions get the best of us, it's an emotional game. And, uh, but I think all and all, you'd say that most people have great respect for Dan.

Explain to me that last 10 seconds with Duke, like, let's say you're in the huddle, and you know, they're going to press, they may foul. So what do you tell your team to do in that moment? Yeah. I'd want him to get it to my best free throw shooter to be honest with you.

And, uh, I thought that Duke did everything right. It's, you know, you got a freshman that just dribbled and, you know, I listened to J. Bill, let's talk about what Duke does at their practices, turn and face, and, you know, what? Do you get that when you get in the moment and by the way, that freshman was unbelievable, uh,

booser was unbelievable, uh, early in the game, you know, and what he did the game before.

So I, uh, that said, I've been a 15 got beaten by a two, I, uh, I think, John did an incredible

job all year, and I always tell my team, you got to be good enough to get somewhere, which

is the sweet 16 after that. You got to be lucky enough and healthy enough. They weren't really healthy, and that night, they weren't really lucky. Now give, you can't credit, um, I told Danny the next day I said, I deserve some credit for your comeback, because I showed you that a team could be 19 down and come back and go

ahead, like we did, and that damn guy gave me no credit, you know, so, uh, I don't know if I like that as much I used to. He did talk about, uh, having a conversation with you when he was thinking about going to the lakeers, because you were thinking about going to the Cavaliers, um, what was the advice that you gave him at that time?

Well, I, I, I didn't want to lose him in college basketball, because I think he's so good for it, but I did say we got to keep an eye on what's happening in our profession, too. And, uh, I don't know what I do if it was today, you know, like he had a chance to go out of here to go and, uh, I, I think things are so crazy and college athletics right now. I don't know if I feel different if I was to be very honest with you, because, uh, I think

something has to be done with the insanity we're going through, but I don't think anybody else cares. So, I'll just keep pluck along and see if I can get to a final for again. Well, let's say that opportunity came up, given these circumstances with the Cavaliers. And, you know, I don't know how old you were at the time, but...

Well, I was a lot younger, but I bet, you know, I bet, you know, more than a couple job offers in the NBA. And, and look, that one last year with Phoenix, you know, and, uh, my former player, Matt Hyspia. And, um, that was hard.

That was a hard thing to turn down, because, number one, I, I kind of wanted to go with

Him.

So, they offered you the head coaching job.

So, we talked seriously about it, let's say that. And then, number two is, you know, I've been pretty vocal about it. I don't like what's going on in college athletics. But, by the way, neither do 99.8% of the football basketball coaches in America.

And, I think the kids are going to still find out, before it's done, it's not best for them

either. But, in the meantime, you got to do what you got to do, and I'll let guys like you call me old school, but that means you're old school too, and I think we're both right school. So, we'll see what happens.

When the transfer portal opens, I've been told 1100 men's basketball players will be in the portal. 1100. 1100 and one, my wife's thinking of putting me in the corner too. And, uh, I guess I'm part of college basketball, but, but, yeah, it's, I mean, you tell

me there's any sanity to that, and you tell me that's right, and, you know, what people like you, media people don't do, sorry, but since you guys can critique us, we can critique you guys once in a while.

We never talk about the kids that lose and fail, and all of the problems that it creates,

and what it creates later in their life. We just talk about the successful quarterback who did it, and let a team to hear in there, but there's a lot of guys that fail a lot more that failed and succeed, and I don't know where they're going to go when they've been to three, four different schools, but I guess it's not my problem.

I'm, I stayed put, so I'm still here. Tom, there's no Michigan State Head Basketball coach. The kids have to go to class anymore, because I, I bring up that used to be, when I was going to school, you could be academically ineligible, athletes were academically ineligible. I haven't heard anybody be academically ineligible in a few years here, coach.

Boy, I love that statement. First of all, they do hear.

I think they do it a lot of places, but, uh, second of all, you, you scored my line from

earlier. Are there any rules? Are there, is there any accountability? I mean, it seems like if you don't like something, get a lawyer and go sue. And, uh, so I don't know, I don't know what most schools do, I know this.

Um, I'm a couple weeks away from going to my 35th, uh, straight, uh, graduation. I have seen every player here, graduate. That has graduated, which has been a high percentage. And, uh, yeah, we still go to class here, Dan, we really do. Anybody in the tournament.

Did you recruit, uh, Mullins? Yes, I did. Did I call them in the line, too, that he made a bad decision? He said, why? I said, you just caused me a joke.

You think you, you had him here, you'd be still playing. Well, put it this way. He's pretty good player. And, uh, he is, ironically, this is a true story. He's from Indiana.

And my trainer is from his high school. I'm real good friends. What is that? So when we didn't get him, my fire is my trainer.

And rightfully so, you're thinking you're in, right?

I mean, if you got him, don't you?

Oh, no, he was recruited by a lot of people, and I never felt that comfortable about

getting them. But, uh, I just said we recruited him, but he was, uh, is that how of a player, you know? And, uh, he even had some injuries this year, you know, on that early on when we played him the first time. Uh, but that kid's going to be, he's just going to get better and better as his body

fills out. He's six, he's, he's, he can shoot the ball pretty good from long long long. Yeah. That was, well, shot. I sort of got.

He can shoot it from there. Uh, the McDonald's all American game. It feels like everybody's between six, five and six, eight. And they all do the same thing. If you go back to the old McDonald's, all American game, you might have had Kenny Anderson

in there. Uh, then you would have a shack, like, like, we don't have that, you know, separation of a six footer and a seven footer feels like everybody's around the same height on the same thing. Well, we had to get in there, uh, you know, uh, just say a journalist, uh, it was six, well,

six, five. Yeah. And I, I think you're right, uh, there was a lot of that in those games. And I think that's because we've got a lot of positionless basketball. The big guys have kind of gone by the wayside sorta, but I do think, uh, I think Charles

Barkley and Shack, those guys think the big guys coming back, I do think when ED and R league, you know, the seven four kid and I think the big guys are going to come back. I think everything's cyclical, you know, everybody gets into this three point shooting because it's the new sexy thing and, and at the end of the day, I still think you got to be balanced and what you do.

Uh, Ryan Day at Ohio State was talking about, if you don't adapt, you die in college, well, he was talking about college football, or you retire.

I mean, the guys who are, you know, right there with you or were, they've all...

or they retired earlier. Yeah, I mean, caliparian patino are still doing it and you, but you guys are dinosaurs. What a compliment. Yes.

I think, uh, yeah, I think I'll return before I die hopefully, but, uh, you know, I do,

I do talk the Ryan Day, you know, Nick Sabin's a guy that, you know, when he went out, I said, wow, you know, because Nick and I started here together and I just thought Nick would go till forever and, um, but, you know, I don't think it's any secret that I'm not saying what everybody's doing, but the process is, is making this more difficult of a job. I mean, you don't just coach any more.

You talk to agents. You talk to people. You raise money. But Tony Bennett retires and Jay Wright retires, I mean, they retire. But guys, two good coaches and good friends of mine and, um, I think I'm just to stubborn

to retire, you know, like I feel good to be honest with you, Dan, I still have the energy, I still love my players, I don't love my profession. And, uh, but that's three out of four are my side. So I got to deal with the profession. Like Ryan said, a DAP somewhat, but a DAP doesn't mean all of a sudden there's no rules.

There's no accountability. I mean, what we're going through now, I mean, any time there's a problem, just get a lawyer and fix it. You know, and, uh, I guess lawyers must be that good or judges. But, uh, do these kids, do these kids ask you for money?

Do they say, this is what I want? I asked them for money now, but do they, do they have an intermediary? Oh, yeah. Yeah.

So they don't say all come to Michigan State, I want two and a half million dollars.

Those parents and his agents say that. Okay. But you're not involved in that. Oh, yeah. I am here.

I, you know, you know, these guys got GMs and all that. I just, I think it's great, but I think at the end of the day, I had coaches making the decisions, you know, like in the NBA and NFL, it's different because there's salary caps, everybody knows there's transparency. If I looked at everything we're doing then, the, uh, the, uh, NFL, uh, tampering, um, as you

say, it's going to open next week, the transfer portal. If, if I had one thing, I'd like to change, it would be just transparency. So we all know what everybody's making and doing and then we're not getting lied to by everybody. Transparency would really help the profession right now.

Okay, what if, uh, magic Johnson said here, and I got $10 million that I'm going to give

that you can use, okay.

Could you use his $10 million, do you have to report that you're using his $10 million?

How does that work? Yeah, you started to do, I mean, they, they, they said that was a new big rule they're going through this clearing house. I don't think any of them worked. You heard about in Repshare, you know, where each school's going to get $56 million.

And football programs are going to get 16, 17 million dollars. People are way beyond those at a lot of places. So, uh, that would help, but I don't think that would solve everything. But, but coaches, yeah, the best players, um, there's a lot of programs out there, but a lot of money and they didn't even get past the first weekend.

So it's not always about the money either.

No, but it feels like there's still, back in the day when, you know, things were illegal and under the table, it still feels like you can do that in college athletics. You can, there's no reason why you can't do something illegal. And it's, that it's going on right now, just because we have this NIL and, you know, transfer portal, somebody can give somebody money if they want, or car, or house, or a job.

100% in my own, now they wouldn't say that, but to me, the NIL means pay for play. And you can just pay them to play them. And, um, the only difference is it's, it's still sort of illegal, but it's not illegal.

That's, that's what's so hard, that's it's so confusing.

And who, who says what's legal and not legal anymore, you know, I don't know. But did we solve anything with this conversation? Yeah, I still enjoy being on your show because you're crazy and, uh, I probably got a new grill and I get to watch Grand Hill after I'm done and magic just gave me 10 million. And, uh, we figured that, uh, I still figured John Shire did a hell of a job and it's going

to be a hell of a final pour. There's a lot of good teams in it, but, uh, I feel good about our run this year and I feel

Like, uh, I fell short again.

So one of these things you're going to have me on from Indianapolis or wherever the final

pour is and not from my office, so it looks so boring. Yeah. Yeah. Stop disappointing me. In it into Detroit next year?

Yes. There you go.

So I say that if we can get their next year, you should do your show from there.

How about how about if you win next year, would you retire a lock off in Michigan? Now, you know what, I mean, people asked me that last year because we were one step from the final four if you're doing it, you know, I don't have any interest in retiring right now. I don't think it would be, it would be because I'm sick of the circumstances.

It's not going to be because I'm sick of coaching, sick of the players, love my university.

The circumstances get to us and, uh, but winning or not wouldn't change that.

You could walk off and walk right to the NBA coach. Like a walk off and rock right to my beach house. Yeah. And right to your wreck tech grill. There you go.

And I mean, well, I'm like, that's so pretty. Thank you coach. Thanks, Dan. That's awesome. Michigan State Head Coach.

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Um, I'm feeling good. Wait, why did you pause there? Just an active chaotic time, you know, and my alma mater lost, I have become a mean. I'm trying to prepare for a final four, there's a lot going on there. What do you see when you see yourself after the shot by Mullins and there's you and

Raff and I and Eagle, but you and Raff are both kind of stunned.

Yeah, I mean, we were stunned, it was absolutely incredible and it's almost improbable.

That eight second sequence was, I don't think I've seen anything quite like that in sports, at least in terms of calling the game.

And so I think you're just trying to, like, okay, I insolvered a call, let him do his thing.

Let us try to process, which is happening. And so, you know, it's funny because you don't know what you look like and then obviously they show that view and, you know, Raff looks like he's, you know, he's, Raff looks like how I looked after a night out with him. And I'm just like stunned just, like it was, it was incredible. It was incredible. Some of the memes and the talks and all I guess, you know,

it was pretty funny, but what, what a moment and what an honor for all of us to be a part of that and be on the call for it. But unlike us as fans, you're working, right? Because we can say, holy, whatever, like you got to go, okay, now I got to figure out, break down what just happened here in that moment. And, I mean, you get a little bit of time,

because I and will stall a little bit, so you guys can kind of gather or look at a replay.

But what did you see in that, if you're Duke, did Duke do everything they were supposed to do?

It just Connecticut did something maybe a little better. Or am I being too lenient there? Yeah, I mean, look, I think you could say it that way. I mean, look, if Kate and Booser, you know, in that moment, where it was able to execute that pass and somehow get it through down the court, you know, we're talking about Duke moving on. And this is not an issue. Obviously that didn't happen. And important, because of the brilliance of UConn and, you know,

just demery there, making an all-time play by deflecting that pass attempt. So look, there's a lot of opinions. You know, I said in the moment that, oh, Duke had to do was hold the ball. The beauty and the agony of sports is that, you know, you got to play it all the way through to the end. But the possession arrow would have been for UConn. If he just stood there and held the ball, then Connecticut is going to get the ball.

Well, look, I mean, you could say a lot of things. He could have held the ball. They could have fouled him. Maybe he goes at a free throw line. Even if he misses the free throw, at least you can set up your defense, he could have dribbled the ball and, you know, done the whole Bob Coosie thing. Yeah. But, you know, he could have done that. But, you know, maybe they steal it from him. Or maybe he goes off his foot. I mean, like, you know,

that we can sit here and analyze and break down and find fault and blame. But the reality is

it's sports and, you know, anything can happen and anything has happened time and time again.

It's unfortunate, you know, because it's not all on him. Duke had, I think they had eight turnovers

in a second half, 16 points for UConn in terms of scoring off those turnovers. So there was a lot of blame to go around. But I think, you know, I have to remove my Duke had and really sort of aware of my broadcasters had. And, you know, we have a responsibility, we have a duty to shine a light on on on UConn and what they've done and doing that miraculous play at the end there and advancing on and celebrating them. And so, and I have no problem doing that because I understand

what this is all about. I understand what makes Mars Madden special and and so, you know,

I'll continue to say great things about Dan Hurley.

four years. Did you notice the incident with Roger Ayers when Hurley and Ayers come forehead to forehead?

I didn't notice it in real time. We may have shown it, but I think I was sort of just,

you know, trying to, you know, make sure I had a pulse, but then also just take it all in. Watching UConn celebration, the team watching Duke and, you know, sort of the the the the morning and that moment and just sort of taking it all in in real time. So, not really watching the monitor in that moment, but of course, he did after the fact. And, you know, it's, it's Dan Hurley, you know, and I've heard people say, well, you know, it could have been a, you know,

it could have been a technical, it could have impacted the result. I think, you know, Ayers is one of the best in the business. He handled it right, you know, very celebratory. And it's Dan, you know, and they know who Dan is and maybe he gets a little leeway, maybe he doesn't, but, you know, I think it was funny. It was amusing. Great job by our director, Mark Grant, to capture that and get that on on the air.

But I think it just showed the fullness of that moment, the celebration from the bench,

UConn, their fans, their coach, and then, you know, capturing Duke and the disappointment, the rejection, all of that. And so that's that's good TV, but that's also what Mark's madness is all about. Talking to Grant Hill, CBS Turner College basketball analyst. Now you know how those poor Kentucky fans felt when you threw the pants to Lakener, right? Now you know that pain. Well, I'm not laughing at the Kentucky fans, first of all. I'm laughing at the question, you know,

I think the difference though, yes, I know what it feels like. I think the difference in that moment. You know, we were number one, Kentucky, we're kind of the upstarts. They weren't, they weren't even ticked to go as far as they did. And that game was just one, you know,

incredible play after incredible play. And it was back and forth. And we just so happened to have

two seconds last and we were able to execute a play at the buzzer. But I think they walked out of there,

disappointed, obviously, but I'm sure the Kentucky faithful was proud of that group. And felt like they were worthy of winning. And it just they just came up short. I think in this case, I don't think the Duke faithful walked away. Brown, I think they felt like, you know what, we let that slip away. It was in our hands and it was the meltdown. And so I don't think the same feeling amongst the Duke fans compared to that of Kentucky. But to lose on a play like that,

to lose on a shop like that. And you're right, Dan, look, I was on the court. I was a part of that moment, 30, some odd years ago. And now I'm court side on the call for one of another iconic moment. And it was, it was, I guess, full circle. And, you know, look, you're going to experience those highs and you're going to experience those lows. And that's just part of, you know, Coach Kay, Coach Kay, who obviously in 40 year career Duke, and he had some incredible highs. And he had some tough moments

as well. And that's just part of it, you know, you got to take the good with the bat. How do you decompress after calling a game like that? I couldn't. I literally could not sleep after the game. And, and look, I say that even if you replaced Duke with, you know, North Carolina, I still would have been in disbelief, because it was just, as a broadcast, and you know this, like as a broadcast, you, you can only like pray for a game like that, to have a moment like that,

to have a, you know, just a play that you could never imagine a curve at the end of the game.

And, and so, for us, you know, I and Eagle, Bill Raff, to retrace the wolfs in myself, to, to be on that call, you're just like, wow. And, and, you know, what's that stick, you know, an opportunity to go to the final four. So, I was just going through it. I was like, I couldn't sleep. I was like, wow, like what happened? Like, do we just witnessed this? This is real. Of course, I was looking at all the, the comments on Twitter and people, you know, saying that,

you know, I lost my soul. And, you know, I ran with this appointment and all like, it was actually, you know, you don't typically like when people come to an social media, but in that moment, it was actually fun to see all the comments and all the, just all the excitement,

You know, and, and the one thing, I mean, look, you can, I have the, the utmo...

game, I went out and I went on the court. You know, after we did our internet hit, I saw out,

Mr. and Mrs. Hurley, Bob Hurley, senior Chris Hurley, and I was happy for them. I mean, we shared some great moments together, they're like family, Dan and Bob, he's sister Melissa, and then I saw Dan and I chatted with Dan and, you know, he, we talked and, you know, I mean, like, I've known them for years and I was happy for them and happy for their program

and happy to be a part of that moment. Best team left in the tournament is who?

Ooh, that's a good one. That's a good one. So, that's the tough day. I'm I think, I think Michigan and Arizona, I think it's a tosser. I did Arizona's first game this year, they played Florida, the defending champions in Vegas, it felt like a final four game, and Coa Pete was incredible. Yeah, kind of his coming out party, but Arizona's different, they got in better buries as now like a murky, he did play great in that game. He is now a force.

This team is solid, well balanced, well coach, inside out, they get to the line, like they're big Michigan. I've seen a lot of Michigan. I did their games and the players there. I did the big

ten tournament. Man, I don't, I think those are the two best teams, but the best teams don't always

win. We've learned that, and we've learned anything, we've learned that. We've got some great matchups, we got some blue bloods, we got some big teams, we got an Illinois team that is unique. They're big, they shoot threes, they don't foul, but they're physical. They rebound, it's such a different style of play, but anyway, I sound like a politician. If I had to pick one team, I would say, I think Michigan might be the best team here, and the Duke person in the,

it pains me to say that, but I think Michigan might be the best team in the final four. Was there a second option on the throw to late nirrogens Kentucky? Yeah, there were a couple other, you know, it was funny. I was, I was at Duke in the preseason, and I went to watch practice, and I'm talking with Shire and Chris Carewell, and they're just kind of kind of going through some scenarios, and they're like, what's that play that you guys

ran? Like, what was the actual play that you ran against Kentucky? And part of me was thinking,

well, Coach K's upstairs, you should go ask, but I tried to rack my brain, and there was some

other action, and you know, if I couldn't get the Christian, and maybe throw it to Bobby, he was

the second option, but I knew coming out of that huddle, that like, I'm throwing it to Christian,

and we're going to live and die with him, making a play. But that had been practiced. That actual play had not been practiced, but the baseball pass and sort of variations of that play. We ran a play similar to that against Wake Forest at the end of the regular season, and we did an execute. Coach K had late nir coming from one side of the court to the other, I threw a curve ball that led him to out to the out of bounds there by the sidelines. And so this

time he put Christian right in the middle of a court, and so good coaching on Coach K's part. But you know, I'm still amazed, late nir, fake one way, and went back, I don't know if he needed to, but it was like, wow, he's thinking, I might be double team, I'm going to fake one way, and he

still had time to turn the other way. Yeah, I mean, I remember, I had a great view, and when he

he caught it and he started dribbling. - No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Now it's not the time to show your moves all Christian. Yeah, and his presence of mine, his understanding that two seconds what I can do in that amount of time. How about a statue of you getting ready to throw it, and then late-ner 50 feet away, we put that on the Duke

campus. Yeah, I'm not opposed it. I'm not opposed it. Because you don't get credit for the throw. And your dad was a great running back.

Did, were you a quarterback? And, and, and I, did you play any football? So he wouldn't let me play until I got to high school. So I'm still a little resentful about the play back. But we used to practice the baseball pass every day.

Two man drills, warming up every day.

I used to talk so much trash.

And my, my baseball passes were always on the mark.

And, and I'd say it's indigene. It's indigene. It's indigene. It's always yell that out of practice.

And so I have one opportunity to show off my quarterback.

I love it. I love it. Have fun this weekend. Great to talk to you.

Tell a lot of wrap for nine.

And Tracy, we said hello. All right. I appreciate you, Dan. Thank you, buddy. That's grand hill.

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