UFO Roundtable: CIA Physicist Proves Aliens Exist

Covered up by elements of the U.S. government, but this past Friday.

The first tronch of evidence was released to the bubble.

The evidence is absolutely clear that there is some form of life with advanced technology. They're all over the place. But the people involved in gait keeping this information don't think the public can handle the truth. People have had their lives threatened. A lot of them are afraid to come forward and tell the White House what they know.

And this has been kept from even sitting president. I've interviewed high-level intelligence officials and government officials. And there have been U.S. crashes over the years. And in some cases, the crashed crafts had the bodies of non-humanism. And now we have people on ships seeing these things enter the water.

We've seen enough times under enough different conditions. We just have to accept that it's real. So what exactly is inside this report? We have so many sightings, even access to materials. And there's a number of files, reports, video and still images that were declassified.

And the most notable piece of evidence in there is this. So I have so many questions. You'll probably familiar with this NASA report. They essentially say that they don't believe that these UAPs are aliens. Why would NASA be lying?

“Is there a reason why this doesn't capture them like an iPhone?”

Are they currently living amongst us? And then do you trust the Trump administration to release all of the available information? I think eventually we'll get to the moment that we all only see in movies. We're a sitting president, steps to a microphone and tells the world we're not alone in the universe. Guys, I've got a favor to ask before this episode begins.

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Right, exactly. It has been in all the news recently because Trump a couple of days ago released 400 classified files containing videos and photos and different reports on this subject of UAPs. Now, I don't have an opinion.

“I honestly haven't gone that far down the rabbit hole on this subject.”

But I wanted to have the conversation with both of you because you do have opinions. So, starting with you, Dan, what is your background and as it relates to this subject of UAPs? What is it that you believe that most people don't know what I'm to stand? My interest in this topic comes from my childhood. And so, over the years, I read every book on the topic, watched every doc.

I always wish someone had made a super serious, credible, sober documentary that only interviews people who have direct knowledge of this topic as a result of working for the US government.

And so, got into producing, as I was getting access to high-level intelligence officials and government officials before even filmed, really quickly learned how serious and real the situation is and how serious it's treated behind the scenes. And, you know, I made this movie the age of disclosure in secrecy over three and a half years. And I would say the headlines that I learned that the average person doesn't know is that there has, in fact, been an 80-year cover-up of the existence of non-human intelligence life.

It has been covered up by elements of the US government since at least the late 40s. Other nations have also covered this up and the other major headline is that the people within the US government that have been gatekeeping this, they've also been involved in a high-stakes, secret Cold War race with adversarial nations, like China and Russia, to reverse engineer this technology of non-human origin. And the stakes couldn't be higher. Those were the two massive headlines. And I'm proud to say when the film came out, it created a national conversation at an unprecedented level and it led to President Trump issuing this directive in the middle of February.

Super unprecedented historic directive instructing federal agencies to start declassifying evidence it has. They have of non-human intelligence life and UAP. And then that process began this past Friday.

The first tranche of evidence was released to the public.

“And during the process of producing this documentary, who did you speak to?”

I got access to the highest levels of government military intelligence community. My interview subject range from Secretary Rubio was also our national security adviser now. White House national security council members, Navy fighter pilots, admirals, generals, former Secretary of Defense,

Every single person is extremely credible. How is one of my interview subjects?

“How is one of the most senior scientists to work on this topic for the US government in classified projects?”

And him and all of these other people interviewed, they had a lot of information they could legally share over the years.

But they were always discouraged from doing so, and they never really had the opportunity to comfortably do it. No one wanted to be the one guy on a limb,

saying something extraordinary on CNN or Fox or 60 minutes, and then being subject to the pushback and the ridicule. And so when I realized that, I started socializing a plan for how to step out of the shadow's arm and arm with safety and numbers. I'll pick up on that point now. We talked about safety and numbers. How he mentioned you there. You're part of the documentary. I saw you as well in the trailer of the documentary. What is your background? And why what reference points are you drawing on to speak on the subject of UAPs and UFOs, et cetera?

I'm a quantum physicist for the national security agency, for various organizations in the intelligence community like CIA and so on.

And so as part of my technical work, I was also a consultant chief science advisor to Robert Bigalo of Bigalo Aerospace.

He's really quite a titan. I mean, he has two space stations orbiting the earth.

“So anyway, those people who are in the space business and they're moving out into space, they just can't help, but what are we going to run into when we get out there?”

As a science advisor to him, turned out that the Defense Intelligence Agency came forward and said, "We need to find out really what's going on in this so-called UAP area." So you worked with someone called Robert Bigalo? He's the guy who knows everything about what is possible in terms of aerospace technology and anything that would be in the air or space simply.

One day, one of his colleagues comes to his office pulls him into a skiff and shows him a video that Air Force security guards took over a nuclear weapon site.

It was a triangle UAP hovering over a nuclear weapon site. This colleague said, "Please tell me this is one of ours, like one of our black projects, you know, some advanced cutting edge technology that's ours." And he knew instinctively, it was not. That sat him down a rabbit hole. He's like, "There's got to be some office somewhere in the intelligence community, handles UFOs."

“So we went all over trying to find it. Him and his colleague, they couldn't find one.”

So then they determined they were just going to start a UAP program. That program they started was called Ossap, they hired a team, for example, how. And that program started in 2008 and got a lot of pushback behind the scenes because it turned out when they looked all over the intelligence community. It was another UFO program and didn't think there was. It turns out there was one. And there was a deeply hidden program referred to as the legacy program.

And it had been operating in the shadows since the 40s outside of congressional oversight, outside of the oversight of the White House. Completely off-off in the way. As hidden as a program can be. And so they started pushing back behind the scenes against everyone involved in Ossap, because they didn't want anyone else looking into this. It started causing a lot of bureaucratic issues for them, red tape issues, and ultimately Ossap lost its funding in 2010, despite the fact that it was looking into very real issues like UAP over our nuclear weapon sites.

It shut down in 2010. They were dealt these bureaucratic hurdles behind the scenes by people involved in the legacy program. People who just caused problems and prevented funding. It's a big bureaucracy. People can do things behind the scenes to prevent funding from coming through programs. And so ultimately they lost their funding in 2010 and then J. Stratton and other people involved, they were continuing to look into this because they didn't want this serious national security concern to go.

You know, on investigative, right? So if that's how somebody like me gets pulled in and they say, "Okay, these pilots are out there," and they said, "We see craft coming out of the ocean and making right angle turns at six G or whatever," and they say, "Oh my God, this is way beyond our physics." So I and other physicists sort of dug into what could be responsible for this. And we actually found that just like we used so-called "Maxils equations" and electromagnetic stuff for everything we do in electromagnetic.

We have Einstein's equations in general relativity for black holes and all that kind of stuff. But turns out if you could engineer those, you would actually get the same effects that people were observing with these UAP crafts. So we think we've come up with, you know, what it is about the science of it. It's just that we don't have the engineering to do it. Do you believe in UAPs?

More specific questions would be, do you believe in aliens?

Yeah, so a number of the people I interviewed went on the record stating that they know from their own personal experiences that they're having UAP crashes over the years that had been recovered by elements of the US government. And in some cases the crashed crafts had the bodies of non-humans in them. And numerous people I interviewed went on the record saying that. And keep mine. Everyone I interviewed only shared what they lawfully could.

There was a line they couldn't cross. Everyone I interviewed is aware of classified information. They can't talk about, but they went right up to the line and made it clear that there had been recoveries of non-human bodies. A couple of people actually testified under oath to Congress saying the same thing. Why wouldn't they be able to talk about it publicly?

Well, when you're involved in certain programs, you sign certain agreements that prevent you from sharing specific information. High-classified programs. Of course, the big concern is, okay, whatever we might learn about these kind of crafts and so on. Our adversaries are out there and there's probably been crashes in Russia, crashes in China. And so if we reveal what we're learning about this subject area and, you know, said it publicly, then it might help some potential adversaries.

Yes, saying steps get a step ahead.

“So that's why it's all just kept really close in.”

So it's saying that I heard often from my interview subjects. You can't tell your friends without telling your enemies. Meaning you can't tell the public what we know and don't know without also telling China and Russia, what we know and don't know. And giving them that information might give them a competitive advantage. And the obvious question anyone will ask when hearing that is then, well, okay, so what's shifted?

Why is that no longer the leading thought secrecy is best?

And the answer is because the U.S. is in a really high stakes race technology race against these adversaries.

To reverse engineer technology of non-human origin. And the secrecy around it in the U.S. Since the 40s has created a scenario where the scientific community and academia don't even know it's real. They don't even know it's a valid area of inquiry. They don't even believe it's real.

Yeah, I mean, the smartest kids graduate at MIT this year. They are not thinking that this is something they can put their brain power towards. So come back to the question, do you believe in aliens?

“I 100% believe that non-human intelligence life is here and has been here for a long time.”

When you say here, do you believe currently living amongst us? I don't know about the living amongst us. Don't know about that. I don't know about that. But there is UAP activity being reported on a daily basis by commercial airlines pilot.

Commercial airlines pilots, the FAA, by Navy fighter pilots, off the East Coast, being reported, you know, up the military chain of command. And on top of that, regular activity over our nuclear weapon sites inside the United States. It's happening on a regular basis on the nuclear sites and on a daily basis in commercial air travel space. UAP have come over nuclear missile sites and actually turned off the missiles. And so, you know, once something like that happens, you just got to take it seriously.

And the technology that they're displaying is technology that no human has. And again, there has been some crashes and in those crashes, there have been the bodies of non-human.

“How do we know that? How do we know that in those crashes, they've recovered bodies of non-humans?”

It will so blowers basically coming forward from the ground.

So the basis of that evidence is that some people have said it. At this point, until, until previously classified information regarding crashes is in recovery is declassified. Until it happens, the best we could hope for is credible people putting the reputation online to tell you this is what's been happening. Did someone during your process of making the documentary, who had seen non-alien non-human life? Non-human intelligence. Tell you that.

Who was that? A number of people, but notably, you know, J. Stratton, who we just talked about. Yes, right. Who co-created, co-founded, all sap, and then became the director of the UAP Task Force, the largest whole government investigation of UAP ever. What did he say? He went on the record in the film, saying that he's seen non-human beings and non-human craft with his own eyes.

That was the farthest he could go at that point. Why did he say he couldn't go further? He had a situation that he was involved in that, for a few reasons, he wasn't comfortable talking about it. Some of it I think he just wanted to make sure he legally could. Now, going back to credibility, like, take a guy like J saying that.

That's a level less than 1% of all federal employees ever reach.

You know, it's equivalent of a two-star admiral or general, very, very senior, very trusted, clear to a very high level. He had worked with Naval Intelligence in a senior capacity. He had worked with the CIA. He had worked with the Defense Intelligence Agency as the head of various space warfare. It's a super serious, credible guy.

And he's putting his reputation online to share this information to extent that he legally could and comfortably could.

“And when you asked him why the world doesn't know this stuff, in his view, what would he say?”

There's a lot of reasons. I mean, certainly the idea that we can't tell our friends without telling our enemies has been a driver. To just recap the reasons for secrecy, I actually believe it's better to kind of start from the beginning. When in 1947, there was a crash at Roswell. I'm not a human origin. And yeah, RAF captures flying saucer on ranch and Roswell region.

And then this is the image of their cover-up story, trying to show a weather ballooner. Yes, so most people in my film go on the record saying the Roswell crash really happened. Technology of non-human origin and not human bodies were recovered. If you put yourself in the shoes of the military and government at that point, like put yourself in Truman and, you know, Eisenhower shoes, you're just coming out of World War II. The world was just chaos for a very long time.

It's finally starting to settle down. You can't exactly step to the microphone and tell America that there's a new threat

“that we know nothing about and we can't protect you from their far advanced, you know, what's the advantage of that?”

So secrecy became the plan at that point and they had more questions than answers. So everyone I've talked to who gave me context explained that the plan for secrecy went emotion there. Let's investigate, let's find out more about what we don't know before we tell the American people. That was quickly followed by the Cold War era and we learned that Russia also had retrieved technology of non-human origin. And so we knew we were in a technology race.

So then the idea of can't tell your friend without telling her enemy, ruled the day, so now the Cold War mentality, you know, led to more secrecy. And as a security wrapper for this program that it started, they created the stigma in the late 40s, early 50s. This cultural stigma, this idea that you're crazy if you look into this topic, you're wacky, you're reputation ruined, you'll have a career ruined. There was actually a CIA meeting where people got together and said, "Okay, in order to not have people be pursuing this area,

let's go out of our way to spread what we would call this information."

Basically, the most effective disinformation campaign in the history of the US government, because it got into our culture.

Some movies were funded that made Aliens seem silly and the idea of life from elsewhere seemed ridiculous. And that got compounded over the years. And then we got to the point where we were just like a few years ago, where the average person just thinks it's not real. You know, the average scientist, academia, you know, they think it's conspiracy stuff, it's nonsense, it's silly. There was no advantage for elected leaders to get in front of us or for military members to, you know, speak up about what they learned or saw.

It would be a career ruiner. And that started to shift several years back when Jay Stratton and Jim Alcasky, when they put together all this app in 2010, and they started to go out there and collect data and get evidence. And they started to actually share it with the Senate Intelligence Committee and the Senate Armed Service Committee. And looking at classified data and classified setting, people like Marco Rubio, who was the Vice Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee at the time, started to realize, you know, there's something here.

“Not only is it something here, but we've got a problem, right?”

There's a lot of UAP activity over these highly classified sites, like our nuclear weapons sites. There's a lot of stake. We are in this, you know, race with other nations. And the stigma has created a disadvantage for us. It's very hard to win a technology race when the majority of scientists don't know it's a valid area of inquiry, right?

And to people think that there's one type of nonhuman intelligence that's visiting the Earth, there are there many many types. People who have been involved in recoveries have said at least four types, four separate types. Now I have not had direct access to that, but I believe the people who are talk to both different types of life. Four different types of life, at least. And the people I've talked to, you know, through the process of making the documentary, both on camera and off the record sources.

And the people of House talk to over the decades have said that there have been dozens of recoveries of crashed craft in the US alone. Dozens of craft of nonhuman origin that either crashed organically or caused a crash and then recovered.

I've talked off the record with some people who were involved in recoveries.

“They would not go on camera to do interviews, special forces people that would not go on camera to interviews.”

One I actually thought, I've mentioned this in another interview, but one I thought was going to do an interview in a couple days before sent me a message saying after further consideration. And along talks with my wife, I decided I'd be for fitting my life if I participated in your interview. And I thought that was like very unsettling message to get, obviously, but also very specific word choice, you know, for fitting my life. What did he know? He was a special, very senior special forces guy who had told me he had been involved in multiple recoveries.

That's when he told me. Okay. And I met him through some high-level intelligence people. Early on my process, I got connected with the Senate Intelligence Committee and the Senate Armed Services Committee. And they had on their own learned the reality of the situation through the work of ASAP and then ate up and then the UAP Task Force.

And through their own, their own intelligence channels. Leaders on those committees wanted to educate the public about what they could, lawfully, about this, but they didn't really have a way to do it. It's such a complicated situation. It takes a while to explain it. You can't do it in like a six-minute newshead on Fox or CNN or even like a 15-minute 60-minute segment.

You just can't do it. And no one wanted to be the one guy trying to do it. So when I started putting together a film and socializing this safe way for people to step forward, it also quickly became those people's plan for disclosure.

“That's why Secretary Rubio participated.”

That's why White House National Security Council members participated. It became amongst the group of people who had learned the truth. It became the plan for disclosure. The way to bring this information out in a thoughtful way. Do the presidents of the United States know about this stuff?

Are they aware? Historically, no. Historically. And even Rubio says on camera that historically, this has been kept from even sitting presidents. Who would know then?

So a number of the people in my film break down who's involved in legacy program. Now, to put it simply, it's elements of the CIA, elements of the Air Force, elements of the Department of Energy, and a few major defense contractors. They have the ability to access information from a number of federal agencies and branches of the military. But the primary leaders of this program are the CIA, the Air Force, the Department of Energy, and major defense contractors. And Rubio breaks down in the film.

The way our bureaucracy works, you could have career bureaucrats in positions of power at those organizations for decades. And they can just wait out sitting presidents. They can wait out sitting presidents. Sitting presidents is just temporary help that you're going to come and go.

“And that's what's been happening up until this point now.”

So the fact that Rubio had learned so much about the reality of the situation and extended to cover up.

And then ended up arguably the second most powerful guy in the world as our Secretary of State International Security Advisor at the same time.

Which is only happened once in US history, Henry Kissinger for two years. No one else has ever had both those jobs at the same time. The fact that he ended up in that position of power and influence after learning the reality of the situation. And right as the age of disclosure is coming out and driving this national conversation, it really led to the current president Trump being informed about this in a way that no president has in a very long time. So are you saying that the United States don't think the public are ready to even know that this exists?

Because, you know, they could tell us that they have recovered UAPs or aliens, whatever it might be, without telling us about the technology. They couldn't, I think we're going to get to that point. Yeah, I think they were trapped in the system that had grown up and people behind the scenes working in the classified programs said, "Well, you know, we don't know how the public is going to respond, so let's be safe and let's just keep it in house." Do you think Trump believes that there are aliens?

Because I was looking at some of his quotes and he said, "Well, I don't know if they're real or not.

I don't have an opinion on it. I never talk about it. A lot of people do. A lot of people believe it."

That aliens are real. Well, he ain't classified information. He's asked for us to be doing that. The aliens are real. No, I don't have an opinion on it. I never talk about it. A lot of people do. A lot of people believe it.

Do you believe it, Peter? I will, if the president can declassify anything that he wants to do. So he won't be able to handle it. I may get him out of trouble, but he classified me. One of the things that came out in the age of disclosure is that during Trump's first administration,

And when he briefed him, he was told that they had asked for this briefing

because they needed to be able to evaluate what the repercussions would be if Trump decided to step to the microphone and tell the world, "We're not alone in the universe." Obviously, he didn't end up deciding to do that then. However, in this new administration, he's got Rubio, in a position of Secretary-State, and after the Secretary-visor, and fully aware of the situation,

and that has given him the comfort to put this process emotion. They're certainly able to disclosure process unfolding right now. Obama said in an interview that he did with Brian Tyler Cohen, "When asked about aliens, Obama said they're real, but I haven't seen them. They're not being kept at Area 51.

There's no underground facility unless there's this enormous conspiracy, and they hit it from the president of the United States." Now, that sounded to me like, kind of sarcasm, when he said they're real, but then explained all that they're not real. They're real, but I haven't seen them, and they're not being kept in Area 51.

There's no underground facility. Unless there's this enormous conspiracy, and they hit it from the president of the United States. So it would appear to me that Obama also doesn't know of any aliens.

“I think Obama was largely kept in the dark.”

I think he does know that the base fact that we're not alone in the universe, and I actually think when he said they're real, I think he was being... That was just... That was his honest... That was his honest candidate, genuine statement.

I think when he then said they're not kept at Area 51, I think he's also being honest because none of my sources say that the UAP and aliens are being kept at Area 51, they're being kept somewhere else. So I think he was being honest there, and I think when he made the comment of... Unless there's a giant conspiracy, if you watch the tape, he, like, ships his cup,

and raises his eyes, but I'll just be said, I think he knows there's a giant conspiracy. That's the following day. Trump was asked about that on Air Force One, and he responded saying, Obama revealed classified information, and he shouldn't have said that. And...

I think that's the truth. Yeah.

“I think presidents don't know, and they're told not to talk about it.”

Trump has started to release a lot of classified information around... at UAP and aliens. The first batch of that was released a couple of days ago. What exactly is inside this report? There was a number of files, reports, video, and still images...

that were declassified. This is information that previously had been classified,

or just never really made public.

This was just the first trunch of... What has been... What will be released? The most notable piece of evidence in there is an image, a still image, from the 1972 Apollo mission. It's an image of a triangle, a seemingly triangle shaped craft,

hovering above the moon, and above the astronauts, and the image is taken from the lunar module. And the UAP Task Force looked into this image years ago, and determined it was real. That seems to be the most clearing piece of evidence in this trunch.

But I will say this, how and I both have the same... A lot of the same sources of information. And everyone we've talked to at various federal agencies has told us that... When the president gave this directive in middle February, for federal agencies to declassify evidence of none.

Human intelligence, life, and UAP, only a few engaged with it. They only gave a small percent of what they have. And they only had a couple weeks to do it.

“One of the things I think of who struggled with with the idea of these kinds of conspiracies”

is that I don't know why that information would necessarily fall into the hands of like government officials. Because alien life forms of UAPs would be visible and would land in anyone's back garden.

So you could imagine a world, especially in a world where we have had an 8 billion iPhones roaming around.

Can imagine a world where if there was some kind of UAP crash in my garden, it would be on TikTok within five minutes. Or if there really was someone got there with an iPhone, you know, there was that incident earlier in the year with a drone in America. Jersey. And that was on social media within minutes.

Everyone was talking about it and looking at what they were. I think in the modern world because we have so many ways to capture high quality video. If there was something out there, we would have seen a very clear image of this thing by now. Well, there's a lot that came out in these files because over the years, our sensor systems that the pilots have in their planes have gotten so much better.

They've captured really outstanding. Does this life want to be seen? Did these aliens want us to know that that? I'd have to assume that given a level of quality of their technology,

So it seems like I would say there's evidence for whatever reason.

They're wanting to be seen. But also like my personal opinion is that if someone answers that question, they're answering it through the lens of how humans think. For all we know, we're ants to them. You don't hide from the ants, you walk around them.

But you also don't pay attention to them. Based on that behavior from the interviews you've done, how do you think they view us?

“I honestly feel like the dynamic is, we are very, very far below them on the food channel.”

How makes an analogy in the film? He says, the ants in your tree line in your backyard. They can be there for generations.

You never think about them. You walk around them.

You're not hiding from them, but they're there and you don't really care. But what happens if they evolve one day and out of nowhere, they figure out how to get into your house and they be lined under your door and they're in your living room. We might have evolved technologically over the last 80 years since we cracked the atom.

So quickly that we're now the equivalent of the ants showing up in their living room. All of a sudden, this worrying species, this violent species, humans. We progressed so quickly.

“We went from no real technological progress for a very long time to cracking the atom.”

Then figure out nuclear technology and then continue to increase our nuclear technology development.

And we have this program that has been retrieving their crash craft and trying to reverse engineer them. So we might be at that point where we're about to do what they do and all the sudden we are a problem. That might be the explanation of why they pay so much attention to our nuclear process. There's a lot of UAP activity, not only at the nuclear weapons sites all over the world, but sites involved in the process, the nuclear process, like uranium mines or refineries.

It might just be we've gotten to the point where all of a sudden they have to. In the Soviet Union, the UAP came over and actually started a launch of the Russian missiles. I mean, it actually forced the system to start into a countdown. How do we know that? By the intelligence community's access to information about it.

“Every person we spoke to in Belikorevich has said they saw a flying saucer on that day.”

For hours, it hovered over the nearby ballistic missile base. No one had touched any buttons. No one had entered any codes. And yet, as the UFO hovered over the base, the control panel showed the missiles were preparing to launch. For 15 agonizing seconds, the base lost control of its nuclear weapons.

Logically, I would think that unusual activity would happen around consequential sites. Yes. I'd be more surprised if there was really frequent unusual activity happening in my garden, for example. But around highly consequential sites, one would expect there to be people flying things around there, spying, you know what people are like with cameras these days.

They want to take photos of anything interesting. They hang around police stations and army barracks. So, logically, I would assume that there would be an increased probability of strange activity in the sky above a nuclear site. Long fact, there was a group of people in the intelligence community who recognized exactly what you're saying. And so, they decided to make an attractive magnet by getting a whole lot of nuclear assets in one location to see if that would draw them in.

And it was successful. So, you know, our nation and other nations have figured out circumstances that can, for lack of a better term, bait UAP. A certain level of nuclear footprint in a small radius tends to attract them. And our nation figured that out a long time ago and so did other nations. One of the things that I've thought about is, I know very little about physics, but I know one thing I know is how big the universe is.

Now, I'm quite a big fan of SpaceX, so much investor in the company. And from my fascination with space, I've learnt just how big the universe is and how long it would take us to travel from, I know, Earth to the nearest galaxy. The closest star system to us, which is called Alpha Centuria, is over four light years away, which is about 40, 24 trillion miles. If we traveled at the impossible, 10% of the speed of light, which is impossible, current impossible, it would take a ship 40 years to get there.

Now, fortunately, what we learned in looking at what might be the underlying physics and using Einstein's theory of general activity, it turns out that there are ways of modifying the effective speed of light to make it much higher or much lower.

I mean, there are actually textbooks by general relativity experts on the fact that you could re-engineer this space time.

“So you could do it. You could get from here to there. But you're not saying you would travel in like a line like you do in a plane, right?”

Well, you could. You could. If you arrange for the effective speed of light in that line to be much higher than without breaking the speed of light, you can zoom over there very quickly. So even even in the straight line. I don't know when at the moment knows how to do that on earth. We can write the equations and see how it doesn't violate our physics equations, but we don't have the engineering.

We figured out basically, we figured out how these craft are operating the theory of it, but we're not the material sciences, right?

To replicate it. What I'm pointing at is if you travel at that speed across the universe, if you even hit, I don't know, I don't object the signs of a pebble. It would be like a nuclear explosion. Yeah, everything is. If you're modifying space, it's sort of like making like a surfer wave, you know, at the C-shore, you arranged to have space moving ahead like that. So you come up to a rock. It's just going to push it to side. So you can engineer that. This is how I've wrapped my head around it. Essentially, they're they're warping space time in a localized area. They're creating an immense amount of energy around the craft and it creates essentially a bubble around the craft and that bubble separates the craft from the environment around it.

“So the environment has no no impact on the craft. That's why we see transmitting travel like a craft going, you know, smooth from space to air to the water without even a splash.”

The environment around the bubble has no bearing on the craft inside it, and the craft inside it is in its own space time.

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We're still trying to figure that out. So, I mean, some of them do crash and it can have maybe some of our electromagnetic pulsing and laser pulsing. I can interfere with their technology and you might get a crash.

Actually, I think it's a really simple answer for that.

“I think our allies follow the US's lead and I think our adversaries primarily trying to rush a have no reason to go public.”

They don't have the same sort of societies and dynamics like she can do what it wants anyway. What's the advantage of him? Same thing we're putting, you know, there is no advantage. And when you look at it that way, you really quickly get to, you know, this is the way it is for that reason.

They did a study in 2026 and found that 45 planets are likely capable of supporting a life.

They called this the habitable zone out of more than 6,000 planets discovered so far by NASA. There are approximately a trillion galaxies in the universe and within these galaxies, 100,000 planets could potentially host life according to Oxford University.

“Now I believe that if you think about the entire universe, I believe that we're not the only life in the universe.”

Yes, right. I think that's, I mean, I think that's a very scientific conclusion.

Probably, it would be pretty incredible if we were. It's almost inconceivable that we are. The question of whether that life has been here is a question that for me is still a big question mark.

Because I just, you know, I also, I think Elon, you know, whatever you think about Elon, he is someone that seems to just say what he thinks. And this is part of what's caused his company is a lot of a problem, he seems to be pretty unfiltered. He has been almost multiple times as well if he believes that they are aliens in our galaxy. And he has said almostifications that he doesn't believe that to be the case. And he, you know, he's launching rockets all the time. So he said, I had him say, if anyone should know it should be me.

You do think he knows. I think that you can operate in space at the level he does or operate as a contractor at the level he does without having clearances that require secrecy. You know, there's, there's all kinds of levels of secrecy, you know, there's, when those were classified right there's classified projects, but there's also black projects that are on acknowledged special access programs where you literally by law required to not acknowledge the existence of the program or anything it does.

That's literally the, anything it knows. Yeah, it's literally the whole that they're literally referred to as on acknowledged special access programs. If your involved team is well, so if you're involved with an on a non special access program, this won't ask you about it.

“You, you have to say you have no idea what I'm talking about. I don't live his team.”

If, if they are a part of the program, yeah, but just because someone's read it on an on acknowledged special access program doesn't mean all their employees are. He long said that we have 9,000 satellites up there. He's referring to his company Starlink and not once have we had to maneuver around an alien spaceship. He argues that aliens were constantly visiting earth. The aerospace experts who watch this guys every day would be the first to know. Well, look, NASA also has said for decades that they had no evidence of extraterrestrial life for UAPs. And last Friday, the federal government released a photo of a triangle craft hovering over the 1972 Apollo space mission. So somebody's somebody's not being honest.

Right, you know, which also implies a lot of other people know things that they haven't revealed. I think I've had you say before how that you think this intelligent life actually exists amongst us. Yeah, it quite was. They are not a occasional visitors. They live secretly alongside humans, but with advanced technology. We have so many signings and so many, even access to materials and so on. I mean, there are all over the place 65% of Americans believe intelligent life exists on other planets. 40% of people say military reported UFOs are probably evidence of extraterrestrial life according to Pew Research. And 30% of Americans believe UFOs or unidentified flying objects are probably alien ships of life form.

And 47% of Americans believe aliens have definitely or probably visited earth at some point according to UGOV. Half of Americans believe that UFOs. It's not aliens have definitely probably visited life at some point. Quite a lot of people. Well, you see, you see the age of disclosure film and the people that came forward. I mean, you had clapper X head of the Office of Director of National Intelligence and Senator Rubio at the time now in his elevated position and so on. You now have people of real quality and you know they're not flying. And they're coming forth and saying, this is real. And we got to deal with it. And there's a lot we don't know about it.

Could you be wrong? I don't think it's about whether I'm wrong or how's wrong. You'd have to believe that senior leadership across the government, the military, the intelligence community that has access to classified information.

So I find that hard to believe. Could it be the case that all of those people were misinterpreting what they were seeing? They saw something. If a pilot saw something moving in their visors when they're up in. Not really because in some cases, I could be the case, but when you have actual materials crash craft bodies that aren't human. Also a lot of these sightings. They're now in the process of the wayhouse.

“The cabinet members are in the process of identifying where the evidence exists within federal agencies and the military. So they can get access to it themselves. And then determine from there, what can safely be shared with the public?”

I think once they get their hands on more evidence, then a plan we've put in place for telling the world this conclusion. I think we're, it's like.

Feta complete basically. Like it's going to get to that point relatively soon. If we get to that point and you get personally invited in to wherever they're keeping these materials and you get to see every single file that exists. And then you go through those files, you realize that a lot of what you've been told is not true because there's other explanations. How would it like fundamentally change the way that you see the world? Some of some of the UAP we've seen, like take the famous, everybody knows the TikTok UFO, right? That Commander Dave Fraver, the Navy Fighter pilot, interacted with in 2004, right?

I'll put that on the screen for anyone that hasn't seen it.

“Great. And so take that, take that UAP for example. Multiple data collection systems and Commander Dave Fraver, a legend in the Navy, top gun guy, Commander of an entire naval strike group, right?”

Total badass, legend, legend of a guy. He sees this with his own eyes and a bunch of data collection systems captured data confirming its real. This UAP went from hovering above the ocean to instantly being at 80,000 feet, which is the entrance to space, right?

And it did that maneuver all afternoon. The amount of energy required to do that is so bonkers.

We do not, humans do, no human beings have the ability to create that much energy, right, in a localized area for an aircraft. And so to answer your question, if we find out, you know, the unthinkable, but this is not not human intelligence life that some humans have figured out how to crack that technology. And did it as recent as 2004 when the tick-tech incident happened, that would be even more mind-blowing than accepting that life from elsewhere is here in our parallel time, because that would mean that some, some group of humans leapfrog the rest of all of humanity, technologically, by thousands of years, and then seemingly did nothing with that.

“Or again, something else. That's the nature of unusual things. So I think in the case of the tick-tech incident, again, what I'm trying to do is interrogate this from all angles, is could it have been something else?”

Could it be any isolated event like that? You could do the whole, could it be this, could it be that thing? But it's the, you got to take a step back and look at this, the collective. It's one report like that after another, from credible people, since the war or two. You know, during World War II pilots were seeing what they called the foothighters, like these orbs that would move alongside our fighter jets, right? Like they would move in line with them. And now we have, we have people on ships seeing these things enter the water and then moving it, you know, in positive speeds.

What does it mean to not something, which no human being, as far as I know, our fastest submarines go like 50 miles an hour. These things are going 100 miles an hour under the ocean. So these crafted transmedium, they're seen in space, they're seen in the air, they're seen underwater. There's just too much activity to ignore it. Yeah, and that would be a hard one to say, well, you know, there's some sonar thing that makes you think something is doing that, but it's seen enough times under enough different conditions that we just have to accept it as real.

Is there a reason why this hasn't been captured on like an iPhone? When, and full kay, there's been a lot of stuff captured on phones and video cameras. In that scene in the ages closer, I mentioned we're highlighting some of the other people break down how these things are working, and they describe that they're creating a work bubble around the craft. That work bubble also makes it very hard to get a clear video of something, because you're taking a photo or video through essentially a space time barrier.

It's like the equivalent of taking pictures of trying to take video of like coi fish in a pond from above the water. It's going to look all distorted because you're going through the water.

You're probably familiar with this massive report that they produced on UAP's independent study team report when they essentially say that they didn't believe that these UAPs are aliens.

Why would NASA be lying?

“Like all these big bureaucracies, there's people who are aware of the truth, and then there's people who have the truth kept from them.”

One of the people I interviewed was Mike Gold, who was on the UAP, the NASA UAP Task Force, and he talked about how that effort was flawed from the start. They didn't want to have a result that said NASA has all this information that they've kept from the public. One of the results that they landed on, which is there's nothing to see here, and they were really discouraged from, for example, the image of a triangle, what clearly appears to be a triangle craft over the moon, they were told not to include that in their report.

Like they were not set up to tell the world the truth. And your view, is it possible that aliens aren't real? Is it possible possible? I think that's true. So you think it's impossible? Yeah, using the term alien, you know, has a certain connotation about it.

So we certainly say, I mean, the evidence is absolutely clear that there is some form of life with advanced technology.

“You know, if you want to say, "Well, what can I prove about it?"”

So those are still unknowns that we're trying to suck out. I got access at a very high level of the government, the military and intelligence community. And there were a lot of people who talked to me off the record that wouldn't go on the camera. There were a lot of people who couldn't tell me about classified information and want to know classified information. But they all made it very clear, not just on camera, but off the record, that there is evidence at a classified level that is clear as day.

Like, some video taken when the bubble is turned off and you can see a craft of non-human origin clear as day. And there is evidence of the technology that's been recovered and of these bodies. And when you have, if you put yourself in my shoes, when you have so many senior people across the military government,

it's always going to be telling you this. It's really just impossible to ignore it.

Especially when most of them aren't even friends, they're not like ideologically aligned or politically aligned, they're all just different groups of people. I'm less compatible with my witnesses. This is the problem because I'm such a big true crime fan. There's a lot of nutty cases where I've witnessed this and then they find out the serial killer wasn't that personal, that thing didn't happen. And I also just have my experiences of thinking nice to all things when I was younger. Here's an interesting thing. You just made me think of it. So in the film, Rubio and General Jim Clapper, two people who are completely ideologically and politically opposed to each other,

made the same really intelligent point. And they both have knowledge at a classified level of the situation. They both said a problem with as humans have is that there's something in the human psyche that says, "I cannot wrap my head around or prepare for things I haven't seen or experienced."

“And time and time again throughout history, that has proven to be like a human flaw, right?”

Rubio goes on to say that the greatest intelligence failures in US history come from a lack of imagination.

And he slides a few examples. He says, "We never would have imagined the Japanese could figure out to get torpedoes through the streets and hit us a proper."

Until he did. He says, "We never would have imagined terrorists would fly to the homeland, learn to fly commercial planes and then use them in a terrorist act." Until he did, right? He says some other examples too. But time and time again, not wrapping our head around, set a circumstances that in using our imagination to think about what might happen or what might be happening, has it's been us in the ass. And he ends his line of thought by saying, "Lack of imagination leads to strategic surprise, like Pearl Harbor, like 9/11."

And sometimes strategic surprise changes the course of history. And so, you know, him and other people I interviewed think it's really important to get ahead of this as opposed to waiting for something to happen. As opposed to waiting for, you know, to find out the hard way that China, you know, cracked this technology before us and used it as an act of war. Or, uh, non-human intelligence in life, uh, does something, uh, unpredictable, and then all of a sudden the US government's on its heels. And so our other governments, on their heels, explains the public what they've known for a long time.

I've often heard that the reason why they don't tell the general public that these things exist is because the general public aren't ready for this information. Is that, I don't want to keep it. I've not really heard you guys say that. You know, people, there are people involved in gay keeping this information that don't think the public can handle the truth.

You know, people aren't jumping out of windows, it's not causing chaos in society, like the public can handle the base facts. Like, of all the things you've heard down, what is the most compelling story around it don't that you heard that convinced you? It was really just a sheer number of very high-level military government intelligence officials who were telling me in private settings to my face, you know, that at a classified level they know with absolute certainty this is real.

“But if you have to pick one story. Oh, I mean, it's really, it wasn't one thing for me. It was like, it was the overall, it's like, for example, I interviewed Rubio and Jill the center of your background on the same day.”

They both participated in the film and did lengthy interviews with me and both looked me in the face and told me that thought this was the most important documentary that they were made.

And that this was really important to bring this information out in a thoughtful way to the public and make them aware of what's happening. You can't, like, on here stuff like that, you know, and it makes an impact on you. What about you, how? What was the most persuasive thing that you, that tip you have ever had from a, you know, maybe being optimistic to believing that there are no human intelligent life amongst us? Well, it's looking at the technology which is so advanced, then I'm essentially certain that no us or our adversaries could have made it.

So somebody actually made it and it has to be somebody who knows a lot more about physics than we do. I mean, there's this, there's nowhere to go, but to say, okay, there's somebody who is way beyond humans to develop that kind of technology and just wait. Of all the evidence that's been released and all of the rumors and videos and, you know, going back to the crop fields that we used to hear about many years ago. So, presumably there's lots of this stuff that you don't believe that you think is nonsense.

So there's definitely, there's definitely, yeah, sometimes there's tons of reports that when you look into them, seem like bullshit for sure. Because, you know, one of the things people often say is that alienating how to descriptions perfectly match the pop culture of their era. So people sort of flying sources in the 1950s after South Carolina movies popularized them and gray aliens in the 1980s after books like Communion, popularized them. And this kind of suggests that sightings are born from human imagination versus.

“Well, I think, and I think that's a reasonable place to come to.”

I think a lot of the reports that we get, you know, we can generally set aside as being, you know, just manufactured by humans. You get caught up in their sort of a given take on social media and so on. But nonetheless, when you're really zero in on actual evidence of technologies and evidence of bodies, there you can't just say it's, you know, it's just social contagion. When I think about the technologies, when I watch like the TikTok video, it's kind of blurry and I don't really know what I'm looking at.

Like there's this thing moving around on the screen, that's like black and white, but I don't really know what I'm looking at.

And I think this has always been the struggle with it is we're so used to consuming content in high definition that we can clearly.

And it appears to be the case that so many of these UAP videos like in the distance and kind of blurry and vague.

“So it makes them harder to believe and it's just, I think we're all longing for like a solid video.”

He talked about them going in and out of the water. How come someone's not got up? You got, if someone like falls over and we capture it all on camera these days, CCTV cameras on every high street, why is there not like a solid video of something going in the water and out the water? Look, most of all more people said on on camera, they have seen with their own eyes classified videos that are indisputable.

And some of them told me specifics like that story, I told you the first video J Stratton was shown when he went down this rabbit hole.

It's a triangle craft hovering over a nuclear weapon site. Air Force security guards had filmed it on a little VHS camera that they had. It was hovering long enough for them to do that. You know, that kind of evidence exists but it's just still classified. Will it be coming out? I hope so.

I know this process is playing out right now where people like J Stratton are helping the administration find where the evidence exists so they can get their hands on it. And then determine whether it can safely be declassified. Like that process is definitely playing out. Do you think do you trust the Trump administration to release only the available information? I don't think it's a question of do we trust the current administration will release it?

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If they release, you know, craft alien craft and they release alien bodies and all of these things. How do you imagine the world would be different?

“I think it will lead to a giant technology boom.”

I think once we're told, hey, there's this technology that exists. That could revolutionize the way we live. It could lead to integrity technology. It could lead to new energy sources solve the energy crisis overnight. It could lead to interstellar travel and going farther out. And I think it's having great psychological effect because, you know,

suddenly you go from the point of saying, well, maybe we're the only intelligence species in the universe. And then you suddenly get the idea that this is a universe full of life. What does that mean for religion? I think all dogmas will just apply to it. You know, and I think the Vatican's already got ahead of it and said, you know,

they put out a message a couple years ago that basically the just of it was, you know,

God's, God's universe and God's work is vast and, you know, vast. Basically, you couldn't, you know, say that he wouldn't have the ability to do that, I mean. So, in fact, I'm a little standpoint, and certainly in the case of the Catholic Church, they've had very positive views about population being throughout the universe. And there's nothing really, at least from the Catholic Church's perspective,

there's nothing that counters the, you know, that doesn't allow you to wrap your head around the fact that there's other life out there, you know? You guys really just, not like overly religious, but like, you know, my, my mom's Irish and, and grew up going to Catholic school and I, you know, I went to a CCD, you know, Sunday school, it's called a CCD, where I would grow up.

But I do think God's. I do. I do. Do you believe that we do? Yeah.

And I'm afraid to sing Catholic, so. So, with that mean that you believe God has made all of these aliens, as well. That's what my world views. Yeah, I would think that I couldn't say that's not the case. But, you know, as a scientist, I can't prove that, that it is the case,

you know, just, just, just to accept it, it's pretty lightly. You know, an interesting thing happening right now, Steven, too, is these people who have been gatekeeping the truth. A lot of them are afraid to come forward and tell the White House what they know, because they think they're going to be villainized.

They think the optics around this are such that, like, if someone's been covering this up,

“they're, they're, they're, they're the villain of the story, right?”

And so, um, the White House and the Director of National Intelligence and the Department of War realized this. And so, in the last couple of weeks, they've been messaging out to the military and intelligence community that this is not a witch hunt. It's not an endeavor to punish anyone.

They want to encourage people to come forward. They sure of them. There will be no punishment for being involved in gatekeeping this. They just want to learn the truth and find out where the evidence sits. So that's another thing that's playing out right now, that I think if it gets out there enough,

it will lead to more people coming forward with that evidence we all want to see. Yeah. Aller and we, you talked about how some people feel like the lives are at risk because of what they know.

“Has that been any instance of anyone being punished for saying anything in this regard?”

Well, certainly having their clearances pulled or losing their opportunities for advancement. We've heard stories like that from several people on the intelligence.

or punished or in some form because of what they said? Well, certainly the number one whistleblower for many people has been David Grush.

And so he has outlined the various steps taking against him to basically ruin his career

significantly enough that he went to the Inspector General of the intelligence community and said, "I'm being punished, shoved aside, losing plans as a so on because I came out with this data." And they said, "Well, what you provided us is serious. What are the considerations?"

“Well, I think a lot of people have had their lives threatened.”

I'm not certain if anyone has been killed. But I know people have had their lives threatened. No. And who's threatening them? People that are involved in this program refer to as the legacy program.

Who think that the evidence should not ever come out? This legacy program. So this is a program run within the U.S. government. To a U.S. government element of it and also defense contractors. And you think the legacy program knows the truth of this regard?

Yes, because they have the first hand evidence of the crash materials and the bodies.

There's 80 years of data that this group has. And they haven't released or leaked that data for the last 80 years. There'll be no damage. No one's hacked it. This program is the epitome of a special access program.

“I think this program is as off the grid as it could possibly be.”

It almost seems like there's nothing that eventually hasn't come to come to light. That the government have done. Like I've sat here and interviewed a lot of CIA spies who've told me the history of the CIA and this program lasted for 12 years and then it comes out and this program. I mean even some of the stuff that I've heard you talk about how around.

What's it called? Movies. Movies. That was that CIA project. That was CIA.

What is remote viewing? Remote viewing. Well, the CIA suddenly got concerned because they saw that the Soviets were spending millions of dollars at some of their best institutes to investigate the possible use of, quote, ESP. What's ESP?

Psychic abilities. Psychic abilities. Extra sensory perception.

“And so as it turns out, I was at Stanford Research Institute and they saw my background and they”

came to me and said, you know, we'd like for you to look into this. Is there anything to this? I mean, no scientists in America even believes there is such thing as ESP. Who came to you? CIA.

This is in the 70s. This is in the 70s. The CIA approached during the 70s and almost used to investigate remote viewing. That's right. They asked me to set up a small program and 50 or 60K or whatever.

And they said, you know, we hope you'll find this is all nonsense. We forget about it. We don't have to worry about it. And it grew into, you know, more than a two decade program called millions of dollars. Stargate is the label for the most people know about because by now, most of the information

in the program came out.

And basically, we just, we just found that people essentially just like you have artistic ability

or athletic ability or whatever musical ability. What we found out that remote viewing, this ability to sit in a location and pick up information from someplace far away, is the talent that many people could demonstrate. So we ended up actually training our main intelligence officers at the Army intelligence and security command at Fort Mead how to do this.

So, wait, let me just simplify this for the audience. That might not fully understand what we're talking about. So remote viewing is the idea that I could sit here in London where we are now. And I could be trained to see what was going on in another part of the world. To make your minds out.

Exactly. Go to a remote location. I'll give you a specific example. A Soviet plane that's, yeah, you want to get hold of when down somewhere in Africa. They didn't know where because the pilot had bailed out and it just went on until it ran out of gas.

So we got two of our, quote, best remote viewers. One that worked for the Air Force and one that worked for my organization. To say, okay, here's a map of Africa. Where's that damn plane? We got to go in and get it.

And they put it next on the map. It was in three miles where the plane went down out of the hundreds of thousands of square miles. And so the CIA would it. It got the plane. So I made it as, you know, how do they do that? Well, by the way, there's an audio recording of President Jimmy Carter telling that story. Yeah.

Post-presidency.

One time we had a small plane go down somewhere in Africa. We were not able to find it by surveillance from our satellites. So the director of the CIA, he was also the director of all the intelligence agencies. He heard about a woman in California that was a medium. And he contacted her and she gave him the latitude and longitude of the plane's squareabouts.

And the next time one of our space satellites went over that area, we located the plane where she said it was. Again, this sounds like it's impossible. Sounds like it sounds completely bananas. It sounds like something I have an X-Men comic book.

It sounds crazy. But... Well, I was, okay, there's something really practical about it. You know, they often are skeptics would say, well, they're so psyche.

“Why aren't they rich? Why aren't they in the stock market or whatever?”

So we set up a little program on a challenge to predict sewer futures. To predict sewer futures? It's the value of sewer. Yeah, the value of sewer. Silver on a daily basis was going to go up or go down.

So we had somebody said, okay, I will. If you set up a little program like that for 30 days, I'll bet on what you're, quote, remove your say.

And I'll put the money in and I'll give you 10 percent of what I make.

Okay, fine. Now, long story short, made $260,000 in the 30 days. We got our 10 percent, which is $26,000. So people could actually, in this case, even look into the future a day and generated a description of what they were going to see and handle the following day. Presumably, you know, everybody. How many people did you have?

Do not. Let me add seven in that experiment. And how many of them were successful in generating six of the seven. Generated really good data. So are those six of people now rich? Well, I don't know. Some of them may have followed up.

Why would those six people picked? Since we had learned that sort of anybody can do this. We were actually raising money for a school that was being put together. So I just went to the board of directors and said, "Okay, I'm going to give you a crash course over the weekend."

And quote, "Remo viewing of the type we train and intelligence officers to do." And so you're going to be it. So it was the board of the school. Well, board of the school. Okay. And they all knew what I did for a living.

And so this program started. There's so much actionable intelligence from the reviewers that house started briefing at the time, the director of the CIA, and a regular basis. Yeah, I'm going to brief all the way up to Bill Casey, the director of the CIA.

“So does it still exist this program in any capacity?”

Remote viewing. If it does you wouldn't hear about it, why? Because it would be about the black highly classified program. Why? Because we don't want our adversaries to know how we might be getting access to their data.

You just told us. But people cannot believe that. And that's fine. But on you undissem sort of contract. Well, as it turns out, the CIA and the CIA also went to the CIA.

That program finally got declassified at the level that was operating at.

And that you can go to the CIA reading room and you can get all the documents on it. So your work was originally classified. Oh, it was originally a tap secret, a special access program. Yeah. There's a part of me that goes, if people could do remote viewing and see, you know, into other parts of the world or predict the things that you're saying.

I mean, if it was trainable, everything, the life as we know it would be completely flipped on its hand.

“I think it's unreasonable to think that when Stargate became public, the US government stopped.”

Remove viewing. Oh, I mean, I wouldn't stop if I was the US government. If it worked, I wouldn't stop. I think it just went underground, moved to a different agency. Yeah.

So you were training people to do it, though? Yeah. Well, we had people that we trained. So train me. How do you train?

Now, a number of the military intelligence officers that we trained have now left the military and they do have training courses. Do you believe it? I do.

I first thought it just sounded too much like something in a comic book, right?

But the more I first read about Stargate and the declassified documents started to realize how serious the government took it and the more I learned about it through how. And then eventually, I really don't want to get into the details of this.

Because you would think if anyone was capable of doing remote viewing, they could go on the internet and make one prediction or do one video that would be, you know, proven to be true.

And they would literally be considered to be a superhuman. Like they would literally be, I mean, people would probably think they were a deity or a spiritual leader or something. Well, if one person could do what we found was that it seems to be an action that is just part of the human makeup. And so it isn't like they're a super deity or a godlike or really off the charts.

It's something that people can learn to do, like they can learn to play the piano or whatever reason.

“Maybe that's just how we have new, you know, psychiatrists and neurophysiologists beginning to study, you know, how does consciousness do its thing in the brain?”

And so on and are there elements of it? Once you get into quantum theory and quantum entanglement that would say you could have evidence, you know, beyond just our physical structure. Like it could be rationalized with like a quantum connection, basically, the moving your mind's eye to another location, which also goes to like, you know, house life very interestingly, you know, first was a stargate stuff. And then he got into UAP and the overlap that I find fascinating is some of these craft that have been found or crashes that have happened.

The reports from people involved say that a lot of them don't have any control panels in them.

Like they're basically empty other than seats, which suggests that maybe there's some sort of mind connection controlling these craft.

“I just wondered about the craft. So I thought, you know, if I was an advanced civilization, why would I, and I was that smart, why would I send life to these planets when I could just send the crafts?”

You know, why am I sending biological life when I could just send the, maybe they're manufactured biological life, maybe it's maybe they're the equivalent, maybe they're not satient. Yeah, yeah, but the remote viewing stuff opens up a lot of possibilities. If. Yeah, I mean, as part of this CIA program, we found that people could affect quantum devices that were totally shielded by superconducting shielding. I'm telling this telling that particular story. That's, yeah, we, we, there was a quote psyche so called and so I brought him to Stanford and I was skeptical at the time.

And I said, okay, well, we've got this super experiment where there's tiny quantum chip down inside of this electrical shielding magnetic shielding superconducting shielding, we want to see if you can affect it. And he did, I mean, it's supposed to be totally non-affectable from by anything on the outside. In fact, it was developed by the Navy to just look for corks and stuff like that. And so it was supposed to not be influenced from the outside by anything. And he influenced it. And when I say he influenced it, I'm not just saying there's a little blip that, you know, he could kind of read into it. No, it was a system where it ordinarily just had an oscillating signal like that.

And then when he affected, it just stopped the oscillation. And then he also made the oscillation go twice as fast. Of course, we're a graduate student who's life dependent on this not being affected from the outside nearly. But then that raised a big issue for them. That means, gee, does that mean if we put, if we hide our documents inside of superconducting saves, the Russians might be able to.

“So actually, when we had date time, the American remote viewers got together with the Soviet remote viewers and traded war stories, did experiments together for others?”

You know, I think I'm actually skeptical because I'm skeptical with all things, but I'm often proven wrong. So you know, my fiance, she, she bleeds lots of things I don't believe. And so, so frequently she's been proven right in those things that I remain open-minded to things in life, because I've learned to. So I think that's where I remain. I remain open-minded. And I think on the balance of probability, if you ask me, do I think there's other life in the universe? I think it would be crazy to say there wasn't.

But it has there been life that has arrived here that we've recovered. I just, I would need more evidence. Is that, I think, I think that's the right attitude. And we're hoping that with the release of documents is starting to happen now that you'll get that evidence, but in the absence of actually getting access to the evidence, it's very reasonable to be skeptical. Yeah, absolutely. I do think, though, the current administration in the US is so focused on following through with the direct of the president gave to get all the evidence within the possession of federal government, all the different agencies, the military branches, and then figure out what can be classified.

That moment that we've all only seen in movies, we're sitting president steps to a microphone and tells the world we're not alone in the universe. I think we're going to get there.

I think so too. Just a matter of time.

“Does it change the meaning of life if that becomes the case? Does it, does it mean anything for us as humans? What you think the meaning of life is how?”

And do you think it should change our behavior in any way, even if this moment does occur? I think if we found out that there were life throughout the universe, that it can be developed in all kinds of forms, then that makes us take a new look at what does it mean to be human? You know, we ought to think about if we can interacting with these other species and seeing what we can learn from them and what might they learn from us. And so it just opens up a whole new view of what the universe is like. I've got 15 grandkids.

They should grow up at a universe where it's teaming with life and they know that and that's a very kind of an exciting kind of thing. I think it also could be the one thing that could unify all of humanity. You know, Reagan gave a great speech during his presidency at the United Nations where he said he often thinks that it might be a threat from outside this universe that makes all of humanity come together and think more about what has a common than its differences. And, you know, it moves them past the the the conflicts of the moment.

And that might be, you know, wishful thinking and might be naive, but it also might actually be the one thing that could that could align people up. How has it changed how you think about the meaning of life? Between what I've learned about the the reality of the UAP situation and the existence of non-human's all in life. What I've learned about, for example, remote viewing, it's made me realize that our sort of Western present day view of reality is not complete. You know, we think we know everything there is, you know, to life and how things work and we just don't.

And when you're honest with yourself and you look back at history, all the times people thought that they were they were proven wrong pretty quickly. And so it's made me open to a lot more possibilities than than I would have been just just ten years ago. Well, you think it'd be a renaissance and our attitudes toward life and everything. Are you both open to being wrong?

Yeah, look, I should have said this early on, when I first started making my documentary, I was totally prepared to have people tell me, look, this is all bullshit.

It was all covered for our classified projects. Did they? No, no one did. That was the crazy thing, not a single person did. I was trying to pull it out of people.

I feel like, you know, come on, this is really, this is like a black project. I don't know how to acknowledge special access program, right? Just say nothing if that's the case, and they're like, no, dude, not even close. It was over and over and over and these weren't random people. These were like senior people on the Sennon Tellons Committee on the Senate Armed Services Committee. Leaders in the intelligence community, leaders in the military.

And so, yeah, it's hard to ignore. Yeah.

Well, Trump has released the first round of the UAP reports.

So, I guess, in many respects, this conversation is to be continued. Yeah, yeah. And we haven't told by our friends and government that the next launch of evidence is likely to come out in the next 30 days or so. And it's going to be a rolling declassification process. So, there'll be a lot more to talk about in the new future.

Thank you so much for your time. I really appreciate it. Thank you for your interest. Very, very curious. And I highly recommend people go check out your documentary.

I'm going to link it below.

“And I think one of the great things about the documentary is the diversity of people you've spoken to,”

including Marka Rubio, who is what now working alongside President Trump, and many of those including yourself, how. And other guests that I've people like Jay, who I hope to speak to sometimes see. Cool. Thank you for having us.

And thank you for bringing attention to interest in topics like this. I really appreciate it. You know, you know, people like you are helping open people's minds. You know, in the past, you only had, you know, it wasn't that long ago. There was only a four TV network, right? And a small group of legacy,

many people controlled what people thought about really. So, people here are opening up everyone's minds to other possibilities and other information. And so, thank you. Yeah, it's, it's interesting because, again, sometimes I have to think after remind the audience of, like,

why do what I do and why pick the subjects that I pick.

“But it's honestly just what I'm curious about.”

And if, if something rises in public curiosity and it's in my, my curiosity, then I'll speak about it. It's not an endorsement of me believing everything. It is just me wanting to learn more. Yeah.

And I, you know, I wish we lived in a society that was more open minded generally to the people on the other side of the aisle or to subjects that are currently considered to be, I don't know, controversial or, or not. Because, you know, it's not lost on me.

is in of itself something that was once a very controversial idea.

And so, I'm all for, you know, controversial ideas being,

having some kind of space to build every major breakthrough

“in the history of humanity came from someone being curious, right?”

And wanting to learn about something they weren't aware of.

So, I think great things will come out of it.

And, and, and you just touched on something that we didn't mention,

“which is, I found, shockingly, that this is the, the UAP issue,”

non-human intelligence, is the most bipartisan issue in Washington, D.C. At a time when Democrats from Republicans, the United States, can't agree on anything.

“They're completely lined up on this being the biggest issue”

over time, extremely significant. And, like, that says a lot, too, you know? To be continued. To be continued. (upbeat music)

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