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Hello and welcome to Need to Know. I'm David Rothkopf and this week is every week. We're going to sit down with some folks who can help us understand what's going on in the news. And as you know, every couple of weeks every month or six weeks or so we like to sit down with our friends Dan Froomek and a Jeff Jarvis who are media savants to talk about what's going on in the media or with the media or what's wrong with the media.

And sometimes what's right with the media, but that seldom happens. But in any event we're back to do that.

So welcome Dan and Jeff. Thank you. Good when you remember we exist and we get to come on. We're delighted.

“We never forget. I just we can't do it every week, you know, because we have no money to pay you.”

So, you know, that would be a problem like the great podcasting universe. So let me start with a couple of things bugging me and then we'll transition smoothly as we do each time into the things that are bugging you. And I'm just going to I'm going to pick up two stories and then you can you can go for there. So one story that's bugging me is Panbody was fired yesterday. Now that doesn't bother me. She should be fired. Obviously, the reason she was fired a little troubling because she was terrible attorney general, but she wasn't bad enough for the president. So he wants a worse attorney general.

But, you know, they're the motto, the Melania's motto, be worst. But the story broke yesterday morning. And it was a surprise. And I'm like, what? And then every story I read was, well, tensions have been building for weeks. And I was like, well, okay, why didn't I know that? And so to me, this seems like a bit of a kind of a press failure. And it happens a lot. We had another firing or several actually yesterday at the Department of Defense, where the Secretary of Defense fired the Army Chief of Staff in the middle of a war because he wouldn't follow an order that was racist in sexes.

“He didn't give the order yesterday. This has been going on for a while. What's like, aren't reporters supposed to be covering these things before they happen?”

Well, you know, it's a crazy news climate right now. There's so much happening every day. You know, I actually, I don't expect a day-by-day debriefing of who's up and who's down when we're war and things are crazy. And so I've given a pass on not giving us a heads up. But I don't give them a pass on is, you know, insufficiently explaining what these things mean. So, as you said, the Bondi firing, you know, you just say Bondi fired and people may think that's a good thing.

But as you said, they're looking for someone who's going to be even more eager to weaponize the Justice Department and absolutely pervert the rule of law.

And looking at her at her legacy, which includes trying to help her with it.

“So, right, division, you know, I think is more important than giving us a heads up.”

And similarly, connecting the dots between what Pete Heggs at this doing at the Pentagon, which is not just occasionally firing people here and there. So, seemingly, really trying to rid the senior staff of the, of the, of the military of women and black people. And, you know, which, which is a huge story because what it really shows is that these people who claim to be anti-DI are really pro-white supremacy. And you can't really make it any clearer than that, and yet the media doesn't connect these dots.

So, I'm more upset about them not giving us, not connecting the dots than they are, than about them, not giving us the proper heads up.

But that's just me. Yeah, I'll agree with you, Dan. I think rather than dots, I would call it the meaning that this is another episode of white supremacy. And it's not called that. It's not labeled that. It's not explained as that. As far as your question, David, two things. One, folks like us, to cry, access journalism, that journalists who, who hold big parties to have, the people they should be covering at their tables.

The, the puff pieces that come out so that you can get fruit future access.

“But the point of thing about this is they don't have any access. There is no access to these things, right?”

So, does it make us want access? No, probably not. The second is, I find it, I find it charming, David, that you think that there is some, you seem to imply that there is some rational thought process going on upon which we could have had access. Instead of just pure whim of the moment. So, the firing of the generals or admirals or whatever they are, is doesn't have a logical progression. It doesn't have a sense of policy and politics. It's the whim of hate. And that's all it is.

And Pam Bondi, she was going to go some boy because she wasn't going to get the enemies and when it was, when it wasn't, it doesn't really matter. So, I think we shouldn't presume it's a mistake to presume that there is process involved. I'd love being patented on the head and being told I'm a naive little buttercup, but yeah, you're, you know, you're probably right about that. Just as a sidebar, you know, another thing that bugs me think how many outlets out there refer to the department, this headset, the runs is the department of war.

When that's not actually its name. And if you're going to give it just names that, you know, you know, seem appropriate at the moment. Instead of the department of war, they should be calling it the department of white supremacist Christian nationalist compensation for having a tiny dick.

“Okay, okay, if you want to go your way, go your way.”

So that way, I just added to your, okay, okay. It's not a yes, but it's a yes and as we say at the breakout for you. Yeah, yeah, well, this is the, this is the improv that everybody was looking for. But, but there are people who just go along with this shit. Why? I mean, except the Pope. Yeah, I mean, God bless the Pope is out there saying don't, don't claim God's Providence over war, are you jerks?

Yeah, I'm going to tell you, is it Jewish guy from New Jersey? I really like this. Yeah. As a lapse from you know, I read from New Jersey, same here. Yeah. And the Archbishop from Washington is saying the same stuff, so it's not just, you know, over the Vatican.

At the same time, we have an extremely Catholic Supreme Court. Right. Well, well, certainly there are a few of the supremeists. Yes, exactly. So, okay, let me ask my brother thing that's bugging me, so that we can get to the things that are bugging you. But here's the other thing.

You may have heard that the president of the United States has so stolen $5 billion.

And his sons are involved in this, but also with coffers involved with coffers. Well, I don't know how glutnic is involved, letnic sons are involved. Cyber, I mean, crypto is involved. There is like this huge outbreak of corruption. And, you know, Lord knows what Elon did.

And, you know, there, there's just a ton of corruption out there.

“And I just want to know, can any journalist in America do arithmetic?”

Because I'm not seeing fucking stories about this stuff. And I don't understand why if we live in the age of corruption, it is not a rich vein for investigative journalism. Did you go ahead? Well, again, I think I think it's a connecting the dots problem. The, what one news outlet will write one thing about one incident of corruption. And then it goes away.

And, you know, you can't cover this administration without, you know, acknowledging that the illegality and corruption are, you know, the dominant theme of so much of Trump's, you know, actions. And, and they won't do it. They won't connect those damn dots again. So, so, yeah, and I, and I think part of it is that they write an, you know, yet another story about yet another corrupt deal. And nothing happens. There's no reaction that, you know, doesn't, it's like Congress investigates, not just Department of Investigation.

So, so it's, it's feeling a little bit useless, but, but my, my bigger complaint is, is the, the dot connecting. This is, this is part and parcel. This is how this administration operates. You know, Jeff, Jeff, when I was in journalism school, I know it's coming big shock to everybody that I attended. I did drop out, so that explains a lot. But when I was in journalism school, the foundational course taught at the end.

This is the best journalism school in the world, Columbia journalism school. You know, you know, it was, but, well, okay, I'm, I'm a semi-alemist.

I went first. He paid so much.

But, but, yeah, um, but, uh, the professor was Melvin Mentchard. He was this famous professor, and he taught you intro to journalism. And the first class, I literally walked, I remember walking in, and he said, kind of a little guy, but he was, he had a beard, and he was very forceful and very funny. And he said, journalism is about one thing, and I was like, integrity, you know,

you know, it's like post-watergate, everybody want to be a journalist. And, uh, he is like, no, follow the money.

“That's what, you know, it's like, whether it's your school board or whether it's the administration.”

It's about follow the money. But we don't follow the money. I'll, I'll, I'll, again, just Dan's dot metaphor to a spreadsheet. What I want to see is, you know, we, we say in journalism all the time that we cover, we, we write the first draft of history, which is humorous itself,

and which also says that we ignore history. And if it's not new, we, if we don't think it's new, then we don't think it's new. This is an ongoing story. There have been corrupt regimes in the past. We need to compare, you know, remind me about Teapot.

This is a bigger deal in Teapot, you bet it is. But, but try to put it in context of how this is the most corrupt regime we've ever had in the United States. Demonstrate that to me.

And then what I want to see, rather than this, I did, part of the problem is the production demands of newspapers and television.

It says that we have to have contained stories. When blogging teaches us that nothing begins and nothing ends. And then blogging, blogging, I'm so sorry. What a throwback. Yeah, that's, it's like a podcast, but, you know, in words.

Yeah, I get it. A podcast is like streaming with without video. Yeah, I get it. And all of it's like slot. But we'll get to that.

Yeah. So what I want to see is, is a continuous spreadsheet that constantly adds what I mean,

you know, Rachel Matt went when the first Trump regime when he was firing anybody, everybody unlike now.

She had that screen behind her with everybody's fired. And it just kept growing so it couldn't fit anymore. But you had a sense of the trend of what was going on. In this case, I want to see somebody add up the dollars in a way that we can see it. But I've got a different question for you and turn them.

I care about outcomes. I care about getting these, these crooks, these racist, these fascists out of office. Yes, I'm, I'm, I'm an advocate for that. So what will resonate most with the electorate? Is it the economy, corruption, war, sex?

“What would matter most, as we come to a rule of law?”

Come on, just for, just for, just for, just for, just for. Add that in and the picky, yeah. What would matter? Now, now, now, who's the naive better guy? Because obviously, obviously, it's sex because that's why Epstein doesn't go away.

That's funny.

You know, and, you know, the reason Pam Bondi was fired was so that Todd Blanche could go on TV.

Literally an hour later and say, we're done with Epstein. We've given everything. It's over. Now, he can't actually do that, just as like Trump can't actually tell Iran the war is over. They seem to have overestimated their capacity for achieving the crimes they want to achieve.

But, you know, it, it is sex.

“But I think, you know, Trump and his, like, you know, the average American, like, can't, I don't know,”

get the healthcare that they want, you know, they're kicking veterans out into the street. You know, as part of a new thing. And meanwhile, Trump's getting billions. There was a $4.5 trillion tax cut for billionaires. He wants $1.5 trillion for defense.

But air quotes are on the left. Well, whatever, right, it's $1.5 trillion for his buddies. And, and, and, and, and, and I would think that could be written in a way that pisses people out.

Well, as a whole, it looks like an anti-gomance.

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But we don't want to, you know, there's, there's, I, I do want to shout out for the investigative

staffs of various news organizations that are still doing very good work in this area. But the political reporters, you know, I guess they just can't do math. They can't count. And, and, and I should just add, this is not a recent phenomenon. The, the, the city is a wash in money.

Uh, even prior to Trump's, you know, epic corruption. And the press court tends to ignore just the extraordinary gravitational pull of that money. I mean, it, again, connecting the dots.

“That's what explains the fundamental disconnect between, you know, the historical”

rational agenda and the agenda of the people, uh, is money. It corrupts everything. And so, uh, I would just say that, you know, it's not a, it's not a recent problem. They, uh, added to that insider trading in the war. Yeah.

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I'm going to do this one. The time's profile, a bunch of extremist... I guess you'd call them trademarks. And who are against women having the vote? And the subhead saying, they say the idea is catching on.

And it's...

“First, why does the times have this love affair with doing profiles of extremists?”

And giving them attention and not giving... By the way, I love that you picked this one. Because it allows us to do the thing that our fans hear love the most, which is to them force Dan to defend the time. Exactly.

I will not. We'll get you there. We'll get you there.

So first, they cover these extremists.

They don't cover what we would not... Potchae, Spiro Agnew, the Silent Majority. They don't cover the last time you met a profile of a Democrat. Exactly. Number two, the times, of course, all you need is three things to make a trend.

You need a hundred things to make a movement. So they have somebody in the same eye. He has a hundred members of his church. So the fuck what? He's getting new people every week.

The times is treating this as if it's some movement. And it's giving it that credence, which is appalling. And then it's just evidence of the times is irreverally broken. It's just broken.

“What was the editorial decision to go in to pitch this story?”

To assign this story, to give this story the play that it had to write that. Sub-headline that said it's catching on. It just is evidence that the times is lost. Okay, Dan. Go for it.

No, I totally didn't. I mean, think of the culture in which that story could be burst and published. What that culture is is a culture of trolling its own readers.

It's basically saying, we can prove our independence by pissing you off and publishing stuff that is just outrageous about.

And in sucking up the right. I mean, and look at their coverage of Zordman Dani. It's been noxious. Yes. They love to punch left to then prove how independent they are.

And this is all coming from Saul's burger and Joe Khan. I've written about this a lot on presswatch, presswatchers.org. Do not defend the New York Times. And it's a complete misunderstanding of what independence means in this political. I've written about that on the CGR, though.

I could criticize them again this week too for profiling totally decouple for as good here. But I'll leave that aside. Yeah, I wrote about about the executive Stan some months ago saying that the Times, Saul's burger constantly talks about independence. We are independent.

Well, of whom? Of the politicians of the advertisers know what he's really saying is independent of the readers. And J. Rosen back in 2017 wrote that G. Now that the Times primary support comes not from advertisers, but from readers.

“What does that do he asked to the relationship of the newsroom to that public?”

And he didn't answer it because he's a good academic and he asked questions. And I, of course, being a fake academic, like David claims to be a fake journalist or a former journalist. I try to find this.

I was never a journalist.

Oh, yes, you were. You can't run away. What the Times is doing, I think, is saying exactly what you said then. You don't own us. See, we can prove we're independent of you of the public by pissing you off of that.

who are obviously particularly enlightened.

But nonetheless, when, when journalists talk about, you know, our audience.

“What they seem to mean is all the people who watch click subscribe, right?”

But that's not what they mean. They mean the people they go to cocktail parties. They mean the people they hang out with. And they hang out with a bunch of richer people than, you know, others. And they hang out in certain circles.

And the salt spreaders don't oddly enough, hang out with normal people at the local bar.

And it's a funny thing. And so they want, yeah, well, but, you know, and so they, they go. But my grandmother's best friend, whatever best friends was if a genie oaks salt spreader. And they would be unlike the board of the Jewish society for old women on the board of something.

“And, and, you know, it's just not the world we are accustomed to, right?”

But, but this happens. And they try then, you know, or they're hanging out of cocktail party with somebody who's going to give them access later on. And an example of this is President Trump gave an incoherent life-filled speech the other night that did not achieve anything you wanted to achieve. And actually made the world worried because it was full crap and, you know, no, he's, he's, he's, he's out of it, right? In real time, there were New York Times reporters going,

Trump has started out with a recitation of the military successes, which have really been quite impressive. And it's like, that's like saying, you know, the sniper on top of the hotel in Las Vegas showed real marksmanship when he killed 600 people. But that's, that's, that's kind of the approach that they're taking in order to maintain access and to look to their rich friends like their balance.

“You know, stand on my overestating this.”

No, and I'd like to talk about the war for a minute. Because, you know, that's, that's number one with a bullet on my list. Nice, nice. But the, we're, we see what you did there, dad. Yeah.

Yeah. We, we're at war, we're, we're blowing up people, we're killing people. It killed, you know, school children. And it's being led by this deranged man who has no, you know, can't coherently explain what we're doing there or what we're trying to get out of it. And he says things like, we're going, we're going, we're going to bomb the Iranians back to the stone ages where they belong.

And, and, and they still get, and there's, it's still covered like David, you're just saying, you know, Donald Trump said today he might escalate the situation in Iran. Uh, this is that, this is a madman screaming barbaric awful horrific things and promising to commit massive war crimes. Because he's attacking, he promised again this working in this civilian infrastructure of a country is a war crime. And you can't say he's not going to do it because they just blew up a bridge yesterday that wasn't even finished yet.

And they're planning on going after, you know, electrical generation plants and, and putting all of Iran into a blackout. And where is the outrage?

It's astonishing, the most critical thing they say is well, Trump contradicts himself and he hasn't made a really persuasive case for war.

But we are, we are committing horrible thing doing horrible, and we're, and undistabilizing the world while we're at it. Uh, you know, there's the, the, the, the sense of outrage of alarm is not there and it ought to be. Yeah, going back to people not unable to do arithmetic or understand advanced economics. You know, Jeff, one thing that I love to see and invite, you know, I turn on CNBC or I'll turn on while I don't, but I follow it on some feed someplace. And, you know, Trump will say something like everything's fine and the markets will go up.

And, you know, and which is just, you know, it's not that the people and the markets are suckers. It's that people in the markets are anticipating what other people's reactions to what Trump will say is. And actually, if people reported this stuff honestly, like, oh, Trump is spewing more bullshit and this isn't true, it would actually have a significant effect on economics and things that matter to people.

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“Two things. One is, I think that the Biden economy, the tatter is left of what was there, was a good economy, was doing well.”

And I think that the market constantly is begging for the insanity to end to continue going well. Now, that's about to end because it's been battered around too much. But I think what the market was doing was saying, give us any hint and we're going to reward you. It's a Skinner box. The world is a Skinner box for the market. And we're going to feed Donald Trump trinkets to tell him to shut up so that we can do what we were doing anyway.

We were already doing. And so, you know, yeah, I think that I see a reverse. They're not reacting to Trump. They're trying to train Trump. He's the mouse in the maze and they're trying to say, good boy, Donald, good boy, do more of that. Oh, bad, Donald, bad. And so it's a weird way that I end up rooting for every morning. I go, I look, I don't go to see him be see either.

But I do go and look at I search every morning stock pre-market.

And first thing I do, just to see, well, what's the, what's the galvanic skin response of the world right now?

What are they trying to say? And the market's going to get worse and worse because he's screwing the economy horribly. And he's doing horrible things. But the other larger thing I keep screaming at me, I haven't used the word fascism yet. And I generally do that when I'm with human boys.

Because we, who, who in media out there is identifying what's really happening. No one, no one. Even my beloved guardian, I do love the guardian. They had a story this week. Rob Schneider wants to bring back the draft. Who gives a holy fuck on Rob Schneider says about anything.

Rob Schneider, you know, the celebrity culture gone mad.

It's fascism. It's straight out fascism. And we're not saying that we're not covering what's happening. And that's, that's the greatest sin of all to me.

“Yeah, and frankly, from a celebrity journalism perspective, Rob Schneider is like F-list, right?”

Yeah, I mean, yeah. There's a lot of other people with strong political opinions that we could, that we could get. Dan, I haven't given you a chance to get whatever on your chest off your chest. I just wanted it. The war, which war.

How soon these beauty people forget? Yeah, and I, you know, though, the reference to the 1970s music is also, you know, Well, Bruce, my hero right now, so he's on my mind. Did you see the president's tweet about Bruce? Unbelievable. Like, four o'clock in the morning.

He's railing about Bruce Springsteen's, you know, classic surgery. Oh, my god. And all right, well, so that's my, that's my number two on my list. Please, at least that's an A level celebrity after war is deranged. Is, is, you know, and so you can't say Trump is deranged. You can't say Trump is fascist.

And you can't say he's committing war crimes without being marginalized in this media community.

“Or, or, because I think you're on to something here, which is sort of the big theme of our conversation.”

Right. And that, I'm starting to rub, but I think, and that is, look, we look at Trump. We look at this moment. We look at how historians will look at it. Now, say that he has deranged, that he is corrupt. They will say that he is incompetent. They will say that he is stupid. He's a ignorant.

And, and because those are the big driving issues. And we don't cover any of them properly. Yes, right. Yes. Exactly. I mean, I mean, that's pretty, that, okay.

So, what are you saying in me this morning?

Calm down.

I'm headset who I despise.

Was that there's a story saying that the company that owns MS now, versus, or whatever it's called, is going to buy Vox. Well, I can't wait to hear what you're going to say with this because I got something to say to. Go for it, David. No, I'm going to tell you what I'm going to say.

Yes. Um, I mean, the last thing we need is more smug, smurmy, out of touch, pundits, fold it into this when actually based on what we are saying and the three of us are obviously right. What MS now needs and what we need on some channel someplace are fucking journalists who are reporting stories as they actually

are happening. If we can find them and they're out there, they are out there.

“That's, that's Dan's lines, usually else let's remember them.”

But I still got, you just described, of course, Scott Callaway and Karis Wisher.

Uh, God help us. God help us. I just, well, she, she at least knows something about some. I have to give her some credit. I mean, that is true.

But, but Callaway, just, I cannot bear. No, bear. I cannot bear. And I can, you know, he'll be, he'll be on Loring Joe every other day to roll the podcast. Well, it's like it's, it's like they put fucking pod save America in the mix.

I mean, those, bros. Well, I, I know we love them. Oh, it's fantastic. I love them. You know, sure.

We're, we're all part of this. This is where we like guys. We like guys. We're supposed to be right. Right.

“But, well, who was it that somewhere said, you know,”

we need on, on, in the media right now, more opinion. Well, you know, every single fucking human being on the planet has a podcast come YouTube streaming show. How many of you have been? You've got three or four. Okay.

Okay. Fuck off. I went to a semester of journalism school. Okay. I, I, I was the editor of a big publication would.

But, but, but, but my point is this. Everybody has a platform. Everybody actually is multiple platforms when you consider their social media platforms. Everybody has an opinion. Everybody is aware of everybody's opinion.

We live in a surface, a surplus of opinion. Everywhere we're drowning in opinion. And not, not a, not a floating piece of driftwood of fact to all dot to. Even in an opinion world. These little magical cameras that allow us to speak right now.

The cost ninety nine dollars. Could allow these networks to at least get the perspectives of the lived experience of a, of a, of a, of a pluralism of the country. On the end. But instead, where we get is the same people over and over and over and over again. Yeah.

And saying predictable things because if they don't say the predictable thing, they don't get invited back. Exactly. Well, they, or have a fight because people liked to have a fight. So then you get Scott Jennings on the air with, uh, I don't know, Lee McGowan or something, a politics girl. One of these other people, they get into a fight because conflict, agon, the Greeks know that everybody knows that people like that kind of shit.

But the reality is here that we don't actually need a plethora of views to be communicated to us because literally every living fucking human being is giving us that.

But I'll disagree to this extent because what that Dan just said, the views that we do hear there are the ones that are the safe views that you expect to be repeated over and over and over again. If I heard someone actually go on to, and I watch them as now all day. It's on all day for four o'clock on. I don't, my blood pressure comes down. Who goes on there and says, this is fucking fascism.

Who goes on there and says, this is a war crime.

“All the things that you want reported, David, I agree reporting is what matters, but also even to, to, to display the opinion about that.”

We don't hear that. I want to say that that MS now, you know, you can criticize it, but it's, it's our only. Oh, my God. And it's doing, it's doing, sometimes it's doing great job. Rachel and Maddo on Monday nights is, I think, absolutely must see TV. Rachel Maddo is actually, Ali Velshy, who is actually interested in getting facts about things.

And Katie Turr told the Google's wife actually, you know, headed a whole segment on Trump's mental state the other day. Yeah, but she's all over the place because she's yet, she gets, she gets, you know, a bunch of completely bullshit right wingers up with her also. And then, you know, don't get me started on my show. I used to be on all the time morning, Joe. What did you do, Jen?

Well, I don't, because I think I became like, I out progressive. You know, I, you know, I became like, no, it's, it's not that there's a range of views. And I'm a lovely centrist who likes everything.

“I think it became, no, people should help the people who need help.”

And the government should, you know, do, you know, and, and, but they're like, a pilot, you know, they attack Trump, they apologize for Trump. They, there's way too much Jesus in this whole thing. Well, you should say I'm a good Friday. There was a lot of Jesus this morning.

Was it? Oh, yeah, lots of Jesus, lots of Jesus. But it's, you know, it's, it's this day. It's okay. Um, yeah, it's this day.

I mean, we've lost it. Yeah. No, no, no, no, no, no. Well, well, what were they doing today's ago? I'm, I'm passive.

Well, they had the rabbi on the day because the both sides of Jesus. So it was all right. Yeah, both.

“Did they say actually Jesus deserved it?”

Because I've never seen that in TV.

Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Yeah, I don't know. You can't say that. Don't, don't both say, no, okay, I don't think he did focus. Because I'm not sure how much of it's real, but, oh, it should be.

Um, this is part of the, these guys are running a coup here. And they want to do this without me. Um, okay. Yeah, that's a good idea. What do you think?

I've enjoyed. Yeah. Let's take over. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. Okay. That's fine. You guys want to do a show together. I've got just the network for you.

We will pay you nothing. But if you want to do one every week. As we learned to Columbia journalism school, Zygazza, what a person came to you, David. And oh, then I would think they would change this.

What are you talking about? Ah.

Um, no, I, I, I, I, I mean, I look, that'll never happen.

Where, you know, I don't, I don't know how your platforms do. On our little platform, we, we're, we just passed two million downloads a month. We're, we're, we're, we're heading up towards three million downloads a month. When I was running foreign policy magazine, which has been around 50 years, we would have been thrilled to have that kind of traffic.

And what's more, people listen 45 minutes at a pop. So, and they listen for the whole show. That's the one of the things that distinguishes what we do. Um, but that's just, that's just a, that's just a little piss and operation as far as the future. That's the future video.

That's that. I think you're such a big marker here.

“You should actually throw some more bones.”

You know, people who have independent newsletters that people aren't reading. Like, well, what do you suggest, press, press, or my heads up news newsletter? It heads up news.org, which gives you a weekly summary of the, the, the fine people battling against Trump and the, uh, you know, those sorts of things, which, at it newsletters, I thought we're going to be a big deal, and I can't get people to paint my.

Or when you want to break from all the serious news, you could pre-order my book Hot Type, the magnificent machine that, uh, gave birth to mass media and drove Mark Twain Mad coming out from Globesbury this summer. Same point at it. Is that it? Is there anything?

Or you can still line the Gutenberg Brothers's and paperback. Uh, now, uh, always be selling right then. I accept, uh, Venmo Crypto Unainment. Do you, can, can you pay for yours in crypto? I think so. I don't know. I have a, you know, third party vendor thing.

Oh, I see it. I think so. Yeah. But this is the, this, this chaotic, uh, enjoyable human world. We're in right now of, you know, thousands upon low millions of people. That's the future of media. Mass media are dead. It's gone. And so it's going to be this confusing world that we have.

You know, but that's okay. Cause it's a, you're a listed media world. Well, low, low millions was not necessary, Jeff. That didn't sound very complimentary. Um, and the retention economy now, you know, and, and it, uh,

Basically getting attention, it does, it's not always synonymous with, you know,

doing good journalism or information. Well, but also, you know, you move, you know, you move a lot of people. By the way, there are people out there who have a million subscribers who only get a few thousand downloads, downloads are what really matter. But, you know, I, I am seeing a big difference. And we've talked about this before.

I am. They can change by title now. Uh, I mean, you know, I'm the CEO of the DSR network.

which now has 600,000 subscribers to a YouTube channel.

And typically, we'll do a show.

“I do now do a podcast there each week, which sometimes will do 4,500,000 downloads.”

Um, and that's, you know, that's a bigger commitment than morning Joe gets on Jeff, who, as it on in the background, while he's, well, not shaving. But whatever he's doing in the morning, um, bumping into the furniture. Um, no, no, it's very, very stylish. Very, very, very.

Oh, like dance. Both, that's just kind of there. But thanks.

Why does, why do you put up with that?

Um, but I actually, I actually shaved because only by shaving, do I send the message to the dog that in five minutes he'll be allowed outside.

“That's, so he like comes and he watches me shave.”

So, but you don't love this stuff, really? Seriously. This stuff? Yeah. No, they turned it on.

People love my dog. People want my dog.

My, they want my dog grizzly to run for president.

And I'll send you a t-shirt that will say presently for president. Anyway, look, I love talking to you guys. I hope we do it again in a few weeks. Um, build up all your anger until then.

“Meanwhile, they're giving you all the stuff to pray, order Jeff's book.”

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