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Donald Trump just unleashed two angry, explosive rants at members of his own party, and they were really revealing. It's clear that Trump is extremely sensitive to perceptions that he's losing control over the GOP because he fears it makes him look weak. And in response to all this, one GOP Senator dropped a bomb making a surprising revelation.
So here's a big question. Can Democrats be doing more to exploit these schisms and more to inflict pain on the GOP over Trump's cratering public standing. New Republic staff writer Emma Jansen has a new piece reporting on how that might happen.
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Emma, good to have you on.
Hi, Greg. Thank you so much for having me. I am a big fan of the podcast, and I'm glad I'm here. Thanks so much. Okay, so Trump is in a fury with Senator John Corne and several others who are holding
up Todd Blanch's nomination to officially become attorney general. The sticking point is that Blanch created this billion dollar fund as a settlement of Trump's corrupt fake lawsuit against the IRS, which is supposed to give money to supposed victims of government weaponization and gives Trump and his family tax immunity. These senators want this thing dead for good.
“Emma, can you just explain this situation and why it's so important?”
Senator John Corne and as well as Senator Tom Tillis are two crucial votes for pushing
forward Todd Blanch as the nominee for attorney general, and they've been so far holding out and saying that they won't vote for Todd Blanch because of this anti-weaponization fund, like you mentioned. The idea behind this fund is very corrupt. It's to provide financial benefit to January sixers.
And these two Republican senators have drawn a red line and say that unless they have it in writing that this fund will not move forward and that it's dead, they cannot vote for Todd Blanch. I mean, this thing is a slush fund, right? Emma, it's just all it is, is just this huge pile of money that Trump can just hand out
to his insurrection and supporters and to other supporters if he wants, the way it was configured was extraordinarily corrupt, gave him lots of backdoor control over it. And then the tax shield is even worse, and so these senators are actually taking something of a principled stand here, right? They definitely are kind of shockingly.
There are other things about Blanch that they have overlooked and say that his actions for example on the Epstein files have not been great, but they're willing to sort of overlook that. This slush fund, however, is not something that they will let happen and vote for Blanch. So Trump unleashed this wild tirade on truth, social targeting, corn and Trump absurdly
claim that this fund is necessary to reward all the January sixers, who he painted as victims and martyrs, then Trump tore into corn and then glowed it over as endorsement of Ken Paxton, who defeated corn and in the Texas GOP primary, Trump said this, quote, millions of people agree with me as was proven in my landslide presidential win. So did John Kornin, until he lost his election to an opponent that I endorsed.
Todd Blanch, a good man, should be immediately approved as U.S. Attorney General, close quote.
“It was an epic screen, and I think what Trump meant is that millions of people agree that”
all this money should be handed to January sixers, but of course there's no way that's true. Emma, what did you make of all that? I think it's the latest example of how Trump really uses primary elections as a way to force Republicans to comply with his agenda. As he mentioned in that truth, social post, he endorsed Ken Paxton over John Kornin and
Kornin is now leaving the Senate. Of course, that has sort of backfired on him in this situation. Now that Kornin seems to be standing up and asserting a little more independence to Trump's agenda, but Trump has really been able to force Republicans into compliance with even these ridiculously unpopular policies, slush funds, et cetera, because of how he engages with the
primaries. And now we're really seeing some shifting here where Republicans are getting less reluctant to go along with him. You did this piece for the blue book, which is the new republic's new newsletter, folks,
Subscribe to this please, let's step back and look at what these tensions rea...
you detailed in the piece.
It's very clear that Republicans are now at odds with Trump in a new way. There's the anger over the IRS fund, which Republicans are holding up Blanchover. And the hold-up of Blanch is itself a pretty big deal, as evidenced by Trump exploding in such rage, then there's the war powers, both three Republicans just join Dems to curb Trump's war in Iran, Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski, and Rand Paul, that failed, but still
it's very clear Republicans are now at odds with them over the war, not least, because the GOP base is splitting over it.
“And a lot of MAGA influencers have gone their own way, can you talk about these splits?”
With respect to the war powers resolution, this is the 13th time that Democrats have tried
to get senators on the record about their support for the Iran war, and it has actually passed once before, like you mentioned, it didn't pass this time, but it feels like they are increasingly getting more and more Republican defectors to come over and vote against the war. When I spoke to some Democratic senators, what they really seem to be focused on are the midterms
in November, because as a minority party, there's little that they can actually do to advance their agenda to advance partisan legislation, but they're hoping that by forcing Republicans to vote for an expensive and unpopular war, they can then weaponize that into electoral
victory in November and actual change in the next Congress.
Well, your piece for the blue book points out that Republicans really need distance on the war in particular from Trump, but Trump doesn't want to let them, and the key here is that that's unusual, President's tend to understand the needs of their own party when they're holding their party back in a midterm, the way Trump is now. You quoted a political scientist Seth Maskeh, who's very good, saying, quote, "He's proven
that he can end careers," close quote.
“I think the essence of this here is Trump can let Republicans get distance from him in”
part because it would require admitting that he's unpopular and that his war is failing, and he can't do that. Can you talk about your reporting on that? This is a deeply unpopular war. It continues to get more and more unpopular. It is incredibly expensive for average consumers when we're talking about obviously gas. Farmers might be feeling it from fertilizer prices, people who play video games could feel it when the
price of their regular everyday electronics go up, and there's also kind of a humanitarian element. People don't want to see U.S. soldiers dying in the war. They don't want to see Iranians dying in the war, etc. But yeah, Trump has this grip on the party and cannot come to terms with the fact that he's gotten the country into an unpopular war and forced his party to back it. I think that there are some obvious places where we see splits here.
This is over on the outside, not the Senate side, but Thomas Massey from Kentucky lost his election. This was a big uproar. When he was running for reelection, he has been a strong opponent of this war, and he's also been against Trump on other issues, such as the Epstein files and Trump endorsed against him, and a lot of money, including from a pack was poured in to get his opponent elected and Massey lost his election. So this is happening
in the house, this is happening in the Senate, and Trump has shown that he can get his way by just blunt force endorsing an opponent in a Republican primary and making sure that money
“gets funneled into that election. I think we're going to keep seeing that, but on the flip”
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Yeah, and we should note that Trump has really gluted like crazy over-alancin...
Massey in a really disgusting way. Trump exploded in another rant this time at a
Republican state Senate leader named Rodrick Brey. Trump is still angry because Indiana refused to obey his command that they redraw congressional districts and Trump backed primaries against all the Republicans who bucked him. Trump gluted here again about Outstanding Brey, and he said this quote, "Rodrick Brey should be ashamed of himself for costing our country mainly the Republican Party to US House seats." Trump went on
to rip Brey as a fool and capital letters and thanked Indiana GOP voters for their loyalty
“in Outstanding Brey, meaning their loyalty to Trump. Emma, I think this is really telling”
because, you know, this whole thing with Indiana happened a good while ago already, yet Trump is bringing it up now because he's so desperate to remind Republicans that he can else them in primaries precisely because he's losing control over them now, your thoughts on that. Yeah, exactly.
It's also notable that we're getting to the end of primaries season, so this major source
of power for him to enforce his agenda and elect the people that he wants elected or make sure that the people who doesn't like don't get elected, that might actually be the more important part, that tool for him is disappearing now that the primaries are coming to a close. So I think it's exactly what you said.
It's a grip on power, and we might start seeing more resistance from his own party. I mean, I wouldn't put a ton of money on that, but he's losing this tool and that could open up a space for more Republicans to say, jump ship on award powers resolution, for example. Absolutely.
“I think there's a bit of a split screen here that's worth commenting on for a sec.”
On the one hand, he really does wield this iron control over Republican primary voters.
His record is not 100% perfect, but it's pretty damn good when it comes to alicing whoever he wants with whoever comes along and says, Mr. Trump, I'll run a primary for you. He's just able to get Republican voters to stamp heat away from their own representative or senator and go back whoever Trump says they should vote for instead. So, you know, I don't know how well that reflects on these Republican voters not very well,
but it surely shows that Trump does wield some real power over them. But then on the other hand, he doesn't have that kind of control over Republican legislators, senators, and even in some cases representatives and that drives them absolutely crazy. And he can't stand that. So he won't let them get distance from him in order to position themselves for the midterms.
What's the absolutely desperately have to do? I really wonder whether Trump in his head doesn't understand that the midterm electorate is a different thing than the Republican primary electorate. You know what I mean? Yeah, that is a very good point because Trump is incredibly unpopular and now that we're
shifting from primaries to general elections, the entire game is changed. You were talking to a bunch of Democrats about whether there are openings to drive these wedges and schisms a little deeper. What's your sense of that?
“Is there a way to do that and what are Democrats saying to you about it?”
When I talked to Professor Masquett, he made the point that even if Democrats were able to advance a great piece of legislation on whatever you name it, Trump would just veto it. So there's not actually much that they can do concretely and materially right now except just trying to push this messaging game, trying to force Republicans to get on the record, to
take aside to split with Trump and then hopefully we'll see the results of that in November. That's kind of what I heard over and over again is we're going to make them defend their positions on the war, we're going to make them defend the high cost of gas and if they can't do it, they're going to lose their seats. And it seems like Democrats have been somewhat effective at forcing Republicans to take votes
that they don't want to take. What's your sense of that? Do you think they have? Yeah, I think Democrats have been successful particularly on the issue of the war at getting Republicans on the record again and again and again.
There was a long stretch there when they were just kept bringing war powers votes to the table. This is both in both chambers. The house was doing this, the Senate was doing this and the point of it was to just get
Those naivots from Republicans and be able to point to them later during midt...
And for example, and say, hey, are you upset that your gas is expensive?
Well, look what your representative voted for Senator Tom Tillis, who, as you mentioned as one of the voices trying to kill this thing, really dropped a bomb on Twitter and response to Donald Trump's crazy screens today. He said this, Tillis said, quote, the president made it clear today that the so-called anti-weaponization fund is still alive, which is exactly why we are attempting to formally
end it. Close quote, like that's pretty harsh language. Tillis is saying here, you just revealed Mr. President that you're a corrupt shit and we're not going to let you get away with it.
Basically, and then there's another line in here where Tillis says that he's been working
with Blanche to end the anti-weaponization fund and praises Blanche's work on that. But then Tillis adds this, quote, it's a shame his confirmation has hit a snag only because an incompetent personal advisor to the president refuses to amend the bogus settlement. Close quote, Emma, I mean, that's really harsh stuff.
“I think what Tillis is saying here is he's letting the world know that there's somebody”
inside the White House who's corruptly and in great depravity trying to keep this thing alive against the will of everybody else, right? Yeah, that's how I'm reading it. And I think importantly, he's definitely leaving open a path for Blanche. He's not scorching that earth at all, you know, like you read.
He calls Blanche for threat, thoughtful patient. So I agree, it seems that he's putting Blam squirrely on someone else who we don't know who it is, and he's kind of saying that Blanche is framing it as though Blanche is trying to make it work. I wonder, you know, Trump himself doesn't seem to want to make it work.
He's not certainly being forthright thoughtful and patient about this. He has continued throughout the week to say that he wants the fund, even if he is sort of acknowledging that it's a likely dead. So yeah, I wonder who this incompetent personal advisor is. Trump himself doesn't seem to want to amend the agreement, but it seems like this is
a scapegoat situation. Yeah, and I think till us is sending up a flair to the media, saying, look into this people, there's somebody in there who's really acting in an extraordinarily corrupt way
“trying to prevent us from ending this thing, and that person is who you should be focused”
on. Mm-hmm. I agree. That is definitely what it seems like he's trying to do. Okay, to close this out, let's talk about what's really at stake here, I think, Glenn
thrush of the New York Times had a really good point, basically what he said is that
the battle is far bigger than about blanch. What's actually happening here is that Republicans are for the first serious time revolting against something much bigger, which is Trump's effort to turn DOJ into an extension of his own will into a corrupt instrument of presidential will into his own personal team of lawyers who will extract pain and revenge on whoever he directs them to go after.
“And so I think if Republicans actually do hold the line here and force an end to this”
fund, then something important will have been achieved, I don't want to get too optimistic about Republicans doing that, but I really do think that if they can kill the fund, it lets Trump know that there are limits to just how much he can corrupt DOJ. What do you think of that? I completely agree, I think that there is a couple of messages that could come out of
this if the line is held by tilless and cornered. Like you said, there's the message that you can't actually go this far with the DOJ. Of course, they're letting something slide that Democrats certainly wouldn't. Trump has been a big part of the effort to conceal the Epstein files and he spoke with Galen Maxwell and prison, right?
You know, there's a lot that I think is still concerning about blanch that isn't related to this slush fund, but it sends that exact message that you mentioned. It also sends the message that Republicans can stand up against Trump and potentially win. Maybe not win their elections, but they can win some public favor and also accomplish
The goals that they're hoping to accomplish.
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Emma, really nice to talk to you.
Thanks so much for coming on. Thank you, Greg. appreciate you having me and this was a great conversation.


