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but news organizations are struggling to figure out what on earth this is supposed to accomplish.
This comes as Marjorie Taylor Green, just issued a stark warning to Republicans,
claiming that Trump's coalition is imploding, for attending a GOP disaster in the mid-terms. These things are linked, probably nothing is wrecking the maga coalition more than his inability to find a way out of the war. You can see other signs that maga media is completely lost
on how to deal with Trump's total impidence. None of this was supposed to happen. So we're trying to parse where maga goes now, with new Republic contributing editor Virginia Heffronon, who's been writing really well on the maga crackup.
Virginia, thanks for coming on. Thanks for having me, Greg. So Marjorie Taylor Green is almost like a maga oracle at this point, or maybe like maga's Greek chorus or something. She posted this video on TikTok about the midterms.
Listen to this. Let me explain to you guys how this is actually going to work. 26 midterms and the 28 presidential race is not going to be anything like 2024, where there was so much support for maga. The coalition came in, you want to know why 26 and 28 is going to be different
because Donald Trump broke his big, big campaign promise of no more foreign wars and actually has got us embroiled in a war with Iran, a war that should not be happening and he's not backing off of it. And it will probably get worse. So that is fed the affordability crisis.
“That's why people can't afford gasoline.”
That's why people's bills keep going up. Food prices are still going up beef as it all times high. It's ridiculous. You know what you should have done? You should have stepped to your campaign promises.
And you should have delivered for the people that put you in office. Not the ones writing you the big fat checks. When Marjorie Taylor Green says the coalition is falling apart. All these voters feel betrayed by you, Mr. President. She isn't just making a prediction.
She's essentially saying to these voters, you know, you shouldn't show up for this guy because he fucked you, right? That's what she's really saying. And it's true. She's right about it.
She is absolutely right.
“And I think she also mentioned a tweet of Trump's where he said,”
sometime around the Epstein files when she and Thomas Massey were agitating for the release of them. She's that Trump is quoted as saying he doesn't care about his old voters. But she and lots of people took that very personally. And the way she describes those earlier voters.
So his like die hard supporters in both 2020 and 2024. She says that they are basically women who are the people that she's often standing with. Women who care about affordability. But these are the women who may have been anti-vax. They have been open to RFK who may have even supported QAnon,
the Marjorie Taylor Green stuff. But then on the more sane side of things. Also really don't want war.
War is never very popular with women going back to times when women were worried about their sons being killed.
They don't like this idea of a deployment. They don't like the idea that we don't really know the number of American casualties in Iran. And women are keeping that issue top of mind and connecting it to the Epstein classes exploitation of children. And then the affordability piece, which brings together household management and, you know, kind of feeding my children and how much to gross freeze costs. And when he, Marjorie Taylor Green points out, when he called affordability a quote, "democrat hoax."
When he called Epstein a Democrat hoax, that's really, that really touched a nerve with this population. That she believes in, I think, maybe rightly is crucial to keeping Trump in power.
Yes, and on Iran Trump is utterly stuck.
He raged wildly on truth.
Social here's what he said.
“"Today I am announcing the most crushing economic operation ever taken against any country.”
This will be economic warfare and isolation on an unprecedented scale." Trump then also said that any country that acts in any way to interact economically with Iran will itself face tremendous economic consequences. Now Virginia, the New York Times pointed out, aptly, that he isn't specifying which countries he's actually willing to punish, which could be countries like China. And also pointed out that this is going to be a really complex and time-consuming thing to enforce on other countries, even if he goes through with it.
It just seems like Trump is desperate at this point to create the mere perception that he's acting.
Well, beyond him having any actual plan, it's all about just looking as if he's doing something.
What do you make of all that? Part of what made the New York Times for a time, so effective, is that they really looked like they had the inside line. When they were selling us on the fact of WMD, it was Colin Powell and Donald Rumsfeld, these people like the architects of the word Vietnam, were sort of, they had some kind of aura around them. Like they had some kind of genius to them, like a sort of Elon Musk aura, that would give them cloud way beyond what they were actually doing,
which was incredibly destructive and misguided. But Trump doesn't, there is no genius halo around either Trump or Hegg Seth or really anyone who are bringing us into this disaster. They just don't get that pass from us. Nobody is like trying to sell this to us. He just does not care what the American people think of what the Pentagon is doing. And that has become very clear and Americans on the right left don't like that.
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“Well, I think you're putting your finger on a really important irony here because remember Donald Trump rose to power in 2016 by making the case”
that the Bushas and the Rumsfields and the Colin Powells were part of this corrupt elite that said that it was going to organize the world in an effective way,
but ultimately lied to the American people and ended up costing the lives of thousands of Americans abroad in that awful extended quagmire.
And so I think maybe the rebellion against Donald Trump now is partly rooted in that, right, in the sense that they actually mega actually bought this idea that Trump was a different kind of elite. And I think he actually was against the Iraq War sort of at the time. I mean, I think on Howard Stern, he said reluctantly he supported it, but he really was against it. I don't think he was against it because he's a peacock at heart. I think he was against it because he thought it was spending a lot of money, right, like, and money that probably he thinks should be his.
And they were in taking the oil. And they right exactly, and they weren't taking the oil like it like his Venezuela, but the, yeah, they weren't taking the oil, people were being boneheaded and stupid and just spending money abroad. So in a weird way, he started to create this kind of manly opposition to war that was more about, like, waste, more about just overspending, more about, like, the world not being grateful to us or not paying us enough or NATO, not, you know, not kissing our palms enough or whatever.
And also, like keeping the money here, putting them keeping the money in America. And we're not going to waste young men, we're not going to pour young men down the tubes. Right, I mean, I'm not sure that he, he cared much about our soldiers, but yes, that definitely would appeal to people. The other thing is there were so many, there's, there are a lot of veterans in his base, and veterans had not let, had come back from Iraq and Afghanistan, often multiple tours with PTSD, strongly anti war. I mean, you think on the other side of the aisle, Graham Platner, right, like come back just like with absolute contempt for the war machine.
So they also had this manly opposition to war, and it worked well with the ki...
And that combination of things had some nice heft to it.
“Yeah, so he's like repeating the elite folly, but just telling everybody to suck it up in a way that like no other previous president would have done.”
So Matt Gurts of Media Matters caught something interesting as well.
Fox News is Sean Hannity, who's probably Trump's most devoted propagandaist, as largely gone silent about the Iran war in recent weeks.
Only just broke his silence to say that Trump isn't getting enough credit for his successes in Iran. I think this goes to what we were talking about before, Virginia, which is that a lot of these propagandaists just don't know what to do right now, because Trump is so visibly stuck. And it's also on popular and their own audiences are turning against them over their support for the war. And so can you talk about that dynamic? It seems like the propaganda now has hit this wall where there's no audience for it anymore.
“I think Giuliani today said, you have to give up everything you to believe to work at Fox News, and that's absolutely right, because you have to sync with the audience.”
They only want to hear what they want to hear, right? You're not propaganda leading the way, you're following ratings. So I don't know what Hannity thinks of the actual war in Iran. I assume he's in favor, but whatever, but he will not talk about it if he thinks the audience doesn't want to hear about it, which is what he's been doing.
The only thing he can talk about is an old refrain of Trump's sort of like Rodney Dangerfield. I don't get no respect. The Trump doesn't get enough credit or Trump's always persecuted.
It's something that does appeal to the maga base because they identify with being he's sometimes described them as forgotten overlooked. They too are not getting credit. They too have run into a system that doesn't respect them. And if like if Trump is not getting credit for something, people might be able to find in him the like persecuted Trump that they like. And I think a lot of these fox and maga figures are bumping up against another problem. They don't know how to talk about Trump in the Iran war because in their minds, Trump's might and power and ability to impose as well on his enemies was always on question.
And of course, the funny thing is they're required to treat it as fact that Trump's defeat over Iran has been absolute. It's been one of the greatest military triumphs in world history. They're required to repeat that because Trump has said it. So now how do they explain the fact that Trump can't impose his will on Iran? I do, by the way, think that figures like Marjorie Taylor Graham and maybe wiser people are kind of reevaluating everything through different lens. I mean, you know, I don't know if you see some people testifying to basically falling out with maga or deconstructing their experience with maga.
And it's a, they're in shambles, like their brains feel like they're in their component parts all around them and they're just going through, I believe this. I believed this. I can't believe I believed this. I can't believe I thought I should shoot bleach into my veins like the whole thing, right? It's like being lost all at once. And if we undo things like some of the language like hoax or fake news and understand that they were strategies by this very increasingly powerful person until he's been killed.
“We increasingly powerful person until he's the most powerful person in the world to subjugate people, then you start to be able to, I don't know, to like imagine how we could rebuild, you know, this broken country.”
Well, just to bring this back to the Republicans on the midterms, we had Mike Johnson talking about the war in a surprisingly candid way. He had this to say the Iran conflict has been, has been a cause, of course, the gas prices going up. It's, it's drug on that kind of strips away the, you know, the spell in a way doesn't it? And Trump has had some, so it has at times said that we have to get used to inflation and inflation's a small price to pay for whatever he's doing in Iran. So they don't exactly, they don't just, or that inflation will come down, but it's not down yet or gas prices. I mean, we'll come down.
There's some reason they are not able to call inflation a hoax. I don't know why that one is where the rubber hits the road for them. I mean, you'd think that they would say they'd have their own polls. They'd have like a rest moose and, you know, rest moose and gas prices and they'd be like, look, it's three dollars a gallon for rest moose and so they're just citing fake polls.
They don't do that.
And, you know, it's, it, you just don't mess with it as an issue, partly because Trump ran on the idea that Biden had created all this inflation and then that he was going to bring inflation down and it would be, you know, to record lows and two weeks or whatever it was. And here we are.
“So I think it's interesting to see to see Mike Johnson have to have to wrestle with that because we are getting down to where his constituents live, which is on affordability.”
I'm assuming for now that there's a pretty decisive democratic win. Next year Donald Trump has a lame duck, Marjorie Taylor Greene's prediction about maga cracking up and scattering and splintering will have come true.
I don't think we're prepared for how weak and disorganized maga might look at that point. Can you talk about that?
“I mean, right, what are they going to do when he has impeached every day as Ted Cruz once said what happened? I don't know.”
Yeah, when he faces like serious oversight and he's just like this, you know, raging figure who's kind of tied down by by Democrats and Congress, at least to some degree. Obviously he's going to abuse his powers and all sorts of horrible ways, but it will be trench warfare more than mighty Trump ruling over his domain.
So he'll look weak and he'll look constrained and he'll look like he's struggling and people will be talking about JD events and what's next.
“And I think maga will look really kind of disorganized and shattered at that point is my prediction.”
I think so too. I mean, we will see people we will see the game of thrones happening with baby Tucker Carlson or whoever else trying to consolidate the America first side of things.
We're not in the clear, I mean, Democrats or the country is not in the clear if Democrats win the midterms or if they even impeached Trump because the America first side of things is not is like a wolf and sheep's clothing. Just because they oppose the war just because they talk about affordability does not mean they don't want a lot of toxic toxic things. Yeah, and so, you know, we talk about Marjorie Taylor Green is the soaracle now, but maybe we'll regret it later. That's right. Virginia, have for it an awesome the talk to you. Thank you so much for all this.
Thank you.
