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I'm your host, Greg Sargent. J.D. Vance is having a moment.
He's selling his new book, and he just appeared on the view,
where the hosts work to mow over pretty hard. J.D. Vance is having a moment. He's selling his new book, and he just appeared on the view, where the hosts work to mow over pretty hard. In a telling exchange, Vance found himself defending Trump
in the context of the Iran War in a way that will come back to bite him later. Indeed, there are several other signs that Trump were all this setting up vans to take the eventual fall on Iran in a number of different ways.
New leaks from inside the administration are making Trump's Iran deal look even worse, and they're also shedding light on it. This shiving of vans really entails. We're talking about it all with one of the best observers out there of the intersection between politics and culture.
New Republic, contributing editor for J.D. Vance is appearing on the view. He took a hammering on a number of fronts. I want to highlight one exchange, though. They're talking about inflation. I don't know if that's true.
Let's start with J.D. Vance's appearance on the view. He took a hammering on a number of fronts. I want to highlight one exchange, though. I'm talking about inflation. J.D. says we're doing all we can.
Then one of the hosts points out that Trump recently said, "I love the inflation." Listen to this. We're doing a lot to make it better. It's going to take a little bit of time.
There's a lot more work to do. But the president knows that a lot of Americans are struggling. In fact, he ran on that. He talked about it. And we've done some things and made some good progress on that point.
You said he loves the inflation. What he's setting up. What he said is that he loves the fact that the inflation is going to come down when this war is over. That's what he said.
That wasn't a terrible idea. That wasn't a terrible idea.
“He was a way to interpret our, or are you his vice president?”
Well, look, look, I, I, what the president said. People were asking about the inflation. They were asking about the affordability problem. What's again is very real. And what he said is, I love the inflation
because it's going to come down when the war is over. So Joy Beehar got a good dig in there saying
that Vance is just functioning basically as Trump's propaganda
and not leveling with people. Although, she said it in a way that kind of kept it light. Virginia, what did you make of the exchange? Well, I mean, I think, I don't know. Do people still say mag?
I feel, I do think that J.D. Vance got maged by the, by the women of the view. They were all on top of him. I know he had said at Fox News the day before that, or maybe earlier this morning, that he was trying to prepare for a civil conversation.
But he knew he was going into the lion's den. Inflation question is going to be really interesting to view viewers, right? J.D. Vance has this book come out about his Christian faith, about his Catholic faith,
and he really, really wants everyone to focus on his religious journey because he believes that he can bond with the suburban women who are sometimes lean Republican, especially on issues like crime, and he might get to them by the view, right? So he wasn't going into the lion's den for no reason.
He was going into it to promote a book. And indeed, they gave the, they gave the, the QR code. So you could buy the book at the end of this. They did their part, right? They gave him a onesie for his forthcoming newborn
that says the view on it. But Virginia, have to ask, do you think that, do you think that J.D. Vance
“and Ushah are going to put that onesie on their baby?”
I was wondering about that. I thought, like, maybe that's just another mag, that's just another mag moment. Like, we'll have brandy with the view, rad, your, your baby. I think it's good. We don't want to get right to symbolic about it.
But there was a lot, there was just a lot going on, and it's a lot to watch. And, and will be, and some of the other host, host of color,
Were, especially, incense, and didn't, didn't give any ground.
And that, there was something satisfying about seeing that, because we've seen Trump attacks so many women over and over again, and interviews, walk out of interviews, call women nasty, call them pig, call them, whatever. And so just saying, we're not really going to entertain
that some idea that there's a Kumbaya here with you and making it very clear with their expressions that they weren't going to entertain it. J.D. Vance was really on his best behavior, though. We should point that out.
Now, what do you think of the inflation exchange? Because I want to clarify for people that the inflation exchange is really about inflation from the war.
“That's what Trump was talking about when he said”
"I love the inflation." And it kind of maneuvered Vance into a position where he was essentially forced to say or forced to defend what Trump said there. What did you make of the exchange? So, what what Vance says is he didn't mean he loves the inflation.
He meant, "I love that the inflation is going to go down after the war." And for some reason, everything these days that's reminding me of this moment in the Simpsons, I can't remember what season it is, but I think that a Chrissy the clown or someone who's trying to kill Bart has die Bart die tattooed on his chest.
And when it's revealed die Bart die, he says, "No, this is just German. D-Bart D-Bart D-Bart D-Bart D, right?" That's good. And I love that because, no, he didn't say I love the inflation.
And I love that the inflation is going down. Die Bart die. Like, there's no way that that's what he was saying. Everybody knows that's not what he was saying. And for J.D. Vance to introduce double-speak to Andrew's propaganda,
really shows how he's on his back foot. I want to add something about that exchange as well. As you say, it's a stretch as Vance said that Trump was claiming that he loves the fact that inflation will come down after the war. I think Trump was more saying, "I don't give a shit about the inflation,
because the problem is going to magically go away because I say it."
And that's it.
“And you should make it go away in your head.”
That's what he actually meant. But seriously, there's another vulnerability here, which is that Vance is tying himself to the idea that costs will come down significantly after the war. In other words, he's endorsing that idea and aligning himself with it.
And that's going to take a while, and whatever actually happens with costs, I'm not sure the public's going to feel good about costs anytime soon. So Vance has kind of been maneuvered into a position
where he's tied to defending that, essentially that big, big, big thing about the Trump term, which is the very tough thing with that. It's asking people to pay more for groceries in exchange for some foreign policy goal that keeps shifting that we don't understand.
And that, by the way, frankly, the administration did nothing to gin up support for. So we don't even have a narrative about why we're in Iran. They weren't building nukes or they or what, you know, nobody is following this enriched uranium conversation
or whatever JD Vance is saying this new Iran deal is, which sounds, you know, like the last or good Iran deal, except worse. And nobody understands what we're doing there. Just as they didn't understand Venezuela,
they didn't understand the first attack on Iran.
This has not been sold to the American people. And yet we're asked to make a sacrifice for it. We're asked to pay more for groceries. Well, he keeps telling us affordability as a hoax and that he loves inflation.
And I just, I think this is the tall, this is the, yes, as he says, signature piece of foreign policy, clearly. And I think it reads to the American people as we've gone to war for Israel and we don't know why. And, you know, nobody has a stake in figuring out this
nuclearized Iran because we keep not understanding it.
“The only thing we understand is we're paying more”
something about the straight-of-war moves. And this is all Trump's fault and we have no faith in him. I mean, there's not even a strong base that's like trying to spin up support for it. What they just say back is it's a hoax or your nasty
for asking questions about it. 100%. And I think there are clear signs that Vance is getting set up now to take the fall for the Iran deal if it goes south. Axios reports that CIA director John Ratcliffe told Trump
and other top officials that the intel agency seriously doubt that Iran will ultimately make the concessions that Trump will demand in terms of constraints on its nuclear enrichment program.
And this is a really key thing.
I want to read it. Quote, in internal discussions, Secretary of State Marco Rubio and Secretary of Defense Secretary of State Degeseth both expressed concerns and raised questions about the memorandum of understanding
an ounce Sunday while Vance and US envoy's Steve Woodcoff and Jared Kushner advocated for it, according to two of the sources, close quote. So Virginia, that's strongly suggestive people around Trump
Who expect rightly, I think, that he's going to have serious
trouble pinning around down when the talks on nukes get going. Very clear that Vance internally rooted for this deal. And we're talking here about people who are sympathetic to headset and Rubio, what do you make of that?
“As you said before, I think he's being shift.”
I think that the person who is least confident in Trump's decisions around foreign policy, as we've seen from his past disputes with Trump and headset, and pretty aggressive, meaningful isolationism, is having to defend those things and then just babble about how bad Obama was
about whatever comes into his head because the details
of the deal have never been fully exposed.
We don't know what they are. But we don't even know what our objective is. The objective of the first deal was to prevent supposedly break out capacity from Iran, so that they couldn't turn what they had into nukes.
And that was a deal that the UN was invested in for on it. It's not with its nonproliferation treaty. It was a deal that Iran was ultimately invested in because it got a lot of goodies. And that it complied with, right?
But now are we trying to prevent break out capacity? What's the time horizon? Like what are the things that an ordinary diplomat would ask about with this deal? No, it's just Trump trying to humiliate people
or be humiliated himself. And as we know, Iran has gone on to psychologists to say, what is it like to deal with?
“Remember with Nixon he was exercising the madman option?”
Well, I think that Trump's madmanness is non-optional.
Like he is a madman, right? He's not choosing am I going to act like a madman? He just is. And this isn't a question of Democrats saying he is crazy. This is a question of if you are negotiating with this person
how do you talk to an actually insane person? Like how do you say, you know, flatter his ego, do X, Y, Z? And Iran is very likely to get away with some like pretty hideous things with JD Vance grambling to defend him, being shivged by the president and the president himself and sane.
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and thank you for listening. Now back to the show. I want to pick up on this idea of JDVans getting ShIVs and this idea that you mentioned of Vans kind of, I guess, being somewhat of a skeptic
of some of this stuff. He's kind of getting screwed in two ways. Not only was he initially kind of skeptical of this thing, but now he's got to be the one to defend the deal sort of in a more frontal way
than anyone else. Everybody knows that Vice President sort of on the hook for that as a general matter. They're supposed to go out and you know, take a lot of shit for the President
and that's just sort of part of the role. Everyone knows that. And now he's got to go out there and defend this deal when everyone knows it's a complete joke.
And nobody else has to be as frontal as him. It really would be Marco Rubio,
Who should be talking about it.
But Trump is way more threatened
by JDVans's future career than he is by Little Markos. And so he wants Vans out there
“and he wants Vans to have to do the double-speak”
that he's getting him to do. And also speak for something that he doesn't know about because nobody has seen this deal. This deal is like, you know,
Pam Bondies, I have the list of Epstein's people on his desk. They're just like, it's no, there's maybe a piece of yellow paper with some Sharpie scribbles on it.
But we don't know what this, you know, with this piece of, this of loads of diplomacy is. And so he's just going to end up
making no sense. It's like, hang Mike Pence, right? The version of hang Mike Pence for now is hang JDVans out to dry.
Exactly. Very well put. And there are more signs of Vans getting set up here. Joe Particone of the Bullwerke.
Highlight of the number of statements from Trump-friendly people. For instance, Senator Lindsey Graham, who's a staunch Trump ally,
described Vans as the architect of the deal. Very, very clear. This is Vans's deal, says Senator Lindsey Graham,
who probably hates the deal. And thinks it's going to fall apart later.
That's a key point, right?
Senator Lindsey Graham, who's a real Iran hawk. I hate that phrase, but whatever he's an Iran hawk, who expects this deal to not produce
any real results later. And he's saying that JDVans is the architect of this deal, which will fall apart later. That really screws him,
I think. Trump himself recently said that JDVans will probably be at the signing ceremony instead of him.
We'll see how that pans out. But it's really obvious where all the arrows are pointing. Yeah, I mean, you know,
I don't think Lindsey Graham cares about getting out of Iran. He probably would be happy with forever war. It seems to be his sweet spot
and certainly a peace hack Seth.
“But Trump does have trouble on his hands”
if this, you know, every day of this war continues. It's expensive. People, if very, very, very unpopular.
And so he wants to wait a back out of it, but he doesn't want to make something called the Iran deal,
because an Iran deal is supposedly what made Obama seem a feat,
and seem like a globalist,
and seem like he didn't understand hard power. Right. And so, but now here he is
making an Iran deal in order to back out of the, you know, optional war of choice that he started
for no reason to get attention. Trump wants it to be in Iran's surrender. That's what he wants. He wants it in Iran's surrender,
and they are not. There is no white flag from Iran. I mean, you know, the other thing is we haven't done this, had this kind of open collision
with Iran ever. And we're starting to see their cards. And they have played the propaganda war very well.
I mean, the Lego videos of mostly been taken down, but those were really influential. And your government is
run by pedophiles. They're hit song of the summer. You can still find that. It was on Spotify. And, you know,
rising up the ranks. So Americans have paradoxically acquired at least some understanding. If not sympathy
for Iran. And for the Iranian for Iran being a closed rogue state defined as the most hated
nation on earth. For all this time. And suddenly, we just suddenly people have started to think,
you know, this is, these are, you know, their schoolgirls there.
They're schoolgirls that were killed by a bomb. You know, and, and so, the consequences of this
for geopolitics are going to be felt forever. And it's just, on somebody's whim. I mean,
you know, we don't, it's, what do I mean? What do I mean?
Well,
“you raise a really interesting point there.”
And there's the global economy as well, which is going to continue to be in a really ailing state because of all this. Down the line,
let's sort of spool this forward and see, see what it looks like. So,
down the line, like, you know, maybe Trump reaches this
dependous deal with Iran in two to three months before the midterms. I don't think that's likely.
I think it's more likely to drag out and the Iranians have every incentive
to drag it right up to the midterms to hurt Trump as much as possible. And so, we start to get into
next year and then that's when the presidential race starts. And at that point,
Trump is really checked out. He's passing from the scene. And so,
next year, you've got J.D. Vance as the
frontman to defend all of the legacy of the Iran war.
We're talking about the global economy. We're talking about potential trouble that
they run into with getting Iran to, you know, to
constrain. It's new program. We're talking about the money to start flowing to Iran,
which when Obama did that. It was this huge
Betrayal
of America according to Trump. How does Vance manage all this in,
I don't know, March or April of next year? I mean,
you know, as you point out, there are Republicans who hate
the Iran deal because or and want to see it fail
like Lindsey Graham because they are really invested in this idea of Iran as a rogue state
in opposition to Israel, as a democracy and an ally in the region, which is also shifted
in popular imagination, has shifted and yet that's something
that like a Lindsey Graham
is going to hold on to. So you have old school, you know, Republican hawks
who are going to hate that there's a deal at all. And then you have people
who where the deal is bound to fail.
It very least, even when you talk about this real idea,
a perfect deal and I think the first Iran deal was closed. It was a B+
right? as a deal at least. Takes a while to bear out,
to bear fruit. Well, like you can call it a failure at any given time
because you could say, well, they'll have
this breakout capacity. In 10 years, 15 years, we
should have got it in perpetuity. Would they can always be flexing
we can suddenly be like, the Iranian is in rich to 68%
so it's a failure. There's absolutely no way that an Iran deal of any kind
is going to play as a
success with the American people.
The only way that this could come to a soft landing for them is if
prices go steeply down, if a affordability goes up, if we have
some free flowing like the straight is
completely open and if we have a complete surrender
by Iran. And none of that is possible either. So
they're not going to get there. You know, Jamalbuy says that they
reiterate the logic of rape that the Iranian is forced. What they want to
see is them crying is Iran crying in pain.
And that seems like a fool's iron
that it's not a very Iranian position and they
have shown that they're refusing to do that. So
this is an impossible position.
I mean he's J. advance is
so in a corner I don't
know it's impossible for him
to make a friend. I
just Tucker Carlson is just going to
hold him responsible and responsible
who begs Trump not to go to war and now
a poses Trump and as
you know just is sort of
the leader of this particular and
maybe running for some self
right. we shouldn't roll that out.
if J. advance had been able
to stay with Tucker Carlson have
that group of people on his
side. he might have had a chance
in twenty twenty eight. but he
well he's tired with you know what it is he's
tired with the brush of the body.
that's exactly yes. both things are going to
cling to him and both things are huge
failures. just to really boil this down
basically every major element of
the mega coalition will dislike
whatever emergence here. so they'll
dislike the and all constituencies
that republicans especially Trump republicans
like J. defense need to win
majority's young people working class non-white
they'll also hate it. so that's where advances
that's where advances again. I mean I'm not going to say
I feel sorry for him but just just strategically
like he is in very very bad
spot and and I don't see I don't see
the way I don't see the way out of it for him.
I don't see where his reputation is at the end of
this. I don't either Virginia have
an awesome the talk to you thank you so
much. thank you. you've been listening to the
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