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“Hello, and welcome to DSR's Words Matter, our weekly therapy session with Dr. Norm Ornstein, our national therapist. How do we feel today?”
That's great, a sarcastic therapist, you look great. I don't know why you would be feeling upbeat.
Let's start. There are lots of good reasons to feel upbeat, right? We've got this fantastic ceasefire. The Iranians have agreed that the tolls that they'll take from the tankers coming through the straight of hormones can be paid in Trump coins. Let's talk about that a second. If Iran is getting paid in crypto, I really want to follow the money. Anything that happens that is a deal with the Trump administration that gets paid in crypto, I want to follow the money.
“Because I believe that any deal the Donald Trump or Steve Whitka or Howard Lutnik or any of these characters does has a little sum sum on the side.”
I mean, tell me, say David, lie down on the couch, you're a little paranoid, this would never happen in America. I think you're wrong in one sense, David, a little something on the side.
I think that you know, did you see the story that can vocal hand in the New York Times last night? No, about the almost 30 million dollar kindness of their heart donation of steel by our solar.
“To the Trump ballroom, which was followed weeks later by Trump giving them a break on their trade status. You know, the Supreme Court has whittled away over the last decade plus at the whole notion of what constitutes bribery.”
But they did say bribery with a public official is when you take something and get something directly in return when there is a quid pro quo. How else would you define this deal other than a quid pro quo? Give me 35 million and I will give you terror for leave and put more money in your pockets. But it's the 35 million is truly small potatoes compared to the billions he's raking it. The Supreme Court said something like what you said. But what they really said was there has to be an explicit brilliant pro quo.
And an explicit quid pro quo means that somebody has got to say preferably in writing or with some evidence that this exchange is taking place for that reason. But they left the door open to was just this where I give you something and I get something in return, but it's all Lincoln and not. And there's a lot of Lincoln and not going on in this administration. But I will bet you David that at some point maybe years down the road when some intrepid researcher is going through the emails of and texts of Donald Trump from his various smart phones that are being tapped on a regular basis by every foreign intelligence service.
There will be one from Donald Trump saying I've got an idea you give me the s...
Yeah, but it'll be too late then it's true. But that's why he's got a with cough and with coughs kids and I was a friend of mine was visiting a big conference.
“So I had to do with I think Saudi Arabia in Florida and you know who's there, the little Trumpies, the little with coffee is the little Latinx, they're like, they're like lounge lizards, you know.”
Hangin out, you know, you sort of get in their cut and we, you know, of course we here at the United States of America are such naive don'ts, you know, and and you know, maybe maybe look maybe I'm overreacting here's the reality.
Washington is a wash in dark money, you know, you know, we've got people on the Supreme Court where put there because big donors wanted them to rule a certain way.
We've got people in Congress who are becoming millionaires day in a day of doing insider trading day in a day out nobody'll do anything about it. People in the administration it's the entire sin and it's not all explicit you know it's like you go like sometimes we do you go to the four seasons hotel the breakfast room there which is kind of the company cafeteria. And somebody walks up to your table and says hey nice to see a bob you know when you get out of the administration we could give you a seven figure job and Bob this oh that's great and then week later he goes you know Bob that seven figure job that's just out there for you, but there's something I think you need to address let me tell you where we are on this and there's no quit pro quo but Bob wants the seven figure job and so you know he puts his thumb on the scale things go a certain way.
“That's the whole Washington's just big giant cash machine and everybody else is like oh my goodness that could be correct everything is corrupt here norm.”
So Bob Kaiser who was one of the great Washington Post journalists before the Washington Post became nothing better than a dish rag wrote a book some years ago called so damn much money which was really built around the story of Jack Abramoff who ended up going to jail although he's now back apparently doing the same kinds of things and it was just about this only mostly what it involved.
was Abraham going into a senator's office and saying to the receptionist you are terrific I'm keeping my eye on you and instead of the twenty two thousand dollars you're making here.
And then when he would bring in at some unsavory person client of his the receptionist would say go right into the officer that was just one small part of it it's now broadened absolutely dramatically. But you know Howard Lutnik or not like as I like to call him now is all over social media from television appearances he made a few months ago saying the fourth quarter of twenty twenty five is going to have the greatest growth in the history of the country. Four percent growth they were predicting it's now in a point five percent and my response to that was well there the economy has been booming the Lutnik family economy because of the drifting that he's doing.
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I'd like to share this experience with you because a long time ago. When I'd come out of the clean administration I'd come out of Kissinger associates where I've worked. Okay, you know I it's in this mistake I made it but when I came out of those things. I I got involved because I do national security stuff with putting together scenario about terrorists threats on Wall Street and in a dark twist that this this scenario took place on the top full scenario exercise took place on the top floor of the world trade center.
“And it was sponsored by canter Fitzgerald. Canter Fitzgerald was the firm that was run by Howard Lutnik is now run by his kids.”
Because I'm tight because I'm tight and of the people who attended this talking about these terror threats 20 or 30 of them apparently were killed year or two later when 9/11 took place.
And I exchanged a couple of emails at the time with Howard Lutnik I didn't know well but it was you know I felt better you know so sorry blah blah blah. And he seemed to be devastated by what it happened. Fast forward a little bit he promised everybody who were the families of the survivors that they would get some of the billions and billions of dollars he was making and then he stiffed them all.
“He stiffed them all. And I'm not saying he's stiffed everybody who was involved. I you know I don't want to get into a legal hassle. But certainly there was a controversy over him making promises that didn't get fulfilled.”
And to me having lived through that whole thing that was especially ugly that of course Howard Lutnik you know gets a house for what did he pay $10. 10 next 10 next store to Jeffrey Epstein who he said he didn't know but then it turns out he visited his island. And now he's on the windows list I think they're going to go in there going to interview now is he going to tell truth no is he going to lie yeah but I'm just saying that everything about these people that that makes us uncomfortable or makes us angry.
It's been known to the world for decades yeah well those were all qualifications for Trump picking him for his cabinet instead of a what would be a normal situation anybody with a
And until of honesty and integrity looking at Howard Lutnik's background would have said you're not going anywhere near a position of public trust. That was oh boy this is just the kind of guy we want he is proven to be as big a licks fiddle to Trump as any of the other cabinet members and the competition is stiff and we also know that he let his sons take over candor Fitzgerald and has been steely basically getting government contracts steered over to them so that the Lutnik family can make more money.
He is just vile.
Don Jr. and Eric are where they're in the middle of these selling people on the drone company they just invest in it.
And you know Whitcoff son is out there and on the edge of some of the negotiations with the Russians it's over it's it's it's just amazing to me that this isn't top news story every single day but I was talking to a fancy journalist type. And they they were saying I can't find journalists who know how to do arithmetic.
“Yeah, I think that's unfortunately absolutely right now the pivot I was going to make is.”
You had mentioned insider trading look at what we've seen since this war loomed and began to take place hours before either presidential announcements or actions somebody has been making investments and making hundreds of millions of dollars and let's note that as we always should with insider trading. It's not just somebody taking information they're not supposed to have and use and making money the money they're making leaves victims all over the place.
If you sell a stock short somebody who didn't and had that stock is going to ...
Should be able to have the information to know precisely who has made these trades to make hundreds of millions of dollars in the last couple of weeks.
“And are they doing anything about it? Of course not.”
I mean, you know, you're in a little better. You think this SEC are this D.o.j. which is getting rid of the people that actually track white color crime and is pardoning the people who are guilty of white color crime and just today did a deal with some criminal who was involved in ripping people off in which they said no you don't have to pay back to people. I mean, this this administration is actually, you know, kind of doing the opposite of what an administration just do it's putting more criminals in the street it's putting more fraudsters out there it's giving them free reign it's saying we're not going to track you this is not the golden age for America Trump promise, but it is the golden age for fraud.
But of course they promised a fraud task force.
But it's what they didn't say is that it's pro from. Yeah, it's absolutely.
“It's, you know, much of this very, very likely involves people very close to Donald Trump and then we have speaking of the justice department the acting attorney general.”
It's saying on camera about Donald Trump the president I love you sir, which is just what you want of course, you know, perhaps it's even more dark than we know. But that's the world we're living in. I'm Teresa and my influence on all entrepreneurs started a choppy fight. I'm sure that choppy fight is already the first day and the plan for making me no problem I have a lot of problems but the plan for it is not a step of it. I have the feeling that choppy fight will continue to continue. All is super easy, integrally and easy. And the time and the money that I can't invest in there.
For all of you, I can invest. I have the feeling that choppy fight will continue to continue. All is super easy, integrally and easy. And the time and the money that I can't invest in there. For all of you, I can invest. For all of you, I can invest. For all of you, I have to say that. Because the big story of the week, which we haven't even gotten to yet, because you know, we're subtle this way and we don't wear our feelings on our sleeves, is that Donald Trump on Tuesday morning at 806 a.m. I can't say a revealed to the world that he is a maniac on the scale of the worst maniacs who ever lived on the planet.
He threatened to eliminate a civilization, which has existed for 7,000 years and that's conservatively counting. There have been cities and towns in Iran for 100,000 years. He's threatening to he threatened to eliminate it. And this is the most destructive, hideous promise ever made or a search and ever made, particularly given the cause, by an American president. And that's saying something since we do have some genocide in our past.
“And I think with this, the whole notion that Trump isn't out of his mind has to go away.”
I mean, the guy is broken. One, the, the, I did a piece out yesterday in the contrarian called Break the Glass.
And the idea was, you know, we've always seen, oh, all have seen these little red metal things on the walls.
That say, in case of fire break glass. And my point was, the new fire is the 25th Amendment.
We need to break the glass and do something because we are being governed by ...
Yeah, but how? Well, it's not the cabinets not going to turn him into a 25th Amendment requires, right?
I did a little history of the 25th Amendment and it is an extraordinarily high bar in section four.
“You have to have the vice president and half the cabinet signed a document saying the president is temporarily removed and the vice president becomes the acting president.”
And the president can in writing say, no, I contest this and then Congress has to get it in 48 hours and rule within 21 days.
And if two thirds of them vote that it's not valid, he goes or don't vote that it's a valid removal.
He goes back in high bar. My point was high bar.
“Yeah, it's more likely that Donald Trump ends up in his two two as the prima ballerina of the American ballet theater than that.”
Well, if Jeffrey Epstein were still around, he might end up in a two two, but that's another story.
Wait, that's a video I don't want to say. I don't presume to believe that it will happen. The reason I put it out there is that everybody should know that we have an administration deliberately structured by Donald Trump to make sure that nobody in his inner or outer circle will say, you can't do that or no or even yes sir and then not do some crazy thing that he asks.
“And what that's, that's why you have so many Howard letters exactly as a Confederacy of Nutlicks.”
Yes, and it's one thing if you're just dealing with normal Donald Trump, which is malignant narcissist or malignant narcissistic psychopath. But if you're dealing with malignant narcissistic psychopath with advanced dementia, it's that much worse. And the point is, this needs to be raised on a regular basis to show that everything Trump says when he puts it out there on true social. There's nobody around him saying, sir, I lost your phone. I'm sorry we can't find it. There is nobody saying you really can't do this much less.
If he did order a new bomber to be given the name and no la gay to nuke Iran, nobody to stop him with one caveat here, which is a reason to feel slightly less pessimistic. Pete Higgsif, who is almost as big a danger to global peace, decency and the safety of America, much less American soldiers, not only lied about the six of our brave military who were killed at a basin Kuwait by saying, it was completely fortified, but it was one of these drones that can sneak around everything. And the survivors are saying, no, that's not the case. And I have a feeling that Higgsith will try and court martial them all, but he did a press conference with one of the top military figures chairman of the joint chiefs next to him.
A reporter asked a question of the general Higgsith tried to cut him off and yelled at the question or move under the next question and the general said no, I'll answer it. It may well be that if somebody in the military at a top level was ordered to commit a war crime, that that individual or many of them would say no, but that again, Higgsith has stacked the military with people who will do anything. So, well, you know, I have to say that a lot of reports came out earlier this week from people I know who are former high level general officers admirals within the the Pentagon or military structure of this country who said they were starting to get responses from their friends were or starting to hear that some senior admiral some senior generals were saying no,
I'm uncomfortable with this civilian target. I'm uncomfortable with this for, you know, that recent including according to one of the reports I got the commanding admiral of scent calm, who is overseeing these actions.
Now, having said that, obviously Higgsith is trying to create through a serie...
You know, but there is other shady stuff here, and yesterday there's an interesting bit on the BBC, not here, because we don't cover it here.
That asked a lot of questions about the rescue mission of that F-15, where for some reason there was a colonel in the back seat of an F-15, which is a weapons officer slot, normally much lower ranking officer, which suggests, you know, that there was something going on sensitive in this mission, and indeed the F-15 was pretty deep into Iran, and not that far from Isfahan, where nuclear Fisha material is stored, and the rescue mission, so called rescue mission, involved a very substantial number of special operations soldiers, and several aircraft, which were destroyed on the ground by us.
That suggested different kind of mission altogether. And, you know, the BBC was at least saying, here are some questions that need to be answered.
US media hasn't really picked up on that yet, but whether or not they were doing it laying the groundwork for going in and getting the enriched uranium, or they were involved in some other kind of mission, or not, because these guys, all I all the time, we have no idea what's going on.
“Absolutely. You know, I say this about many of the officials, but I think it's a general statement about everybody in this administration.”
Every word out of their mouths, including A and the, is a lie, and speaking of all of that, let's talk about JD Vance for a few minutes. So JD Vance, among his many tasks and the anti fraud task force, over in Hungary days before the election, and election of which the Russians are up to their eyeballs in trying to alter the outcome.
And election involving a prime minister who has directly been sending to Moscow, the most sensitive discussions taking place in the European Union.
“Both praising him and urging his election and then decrying foreign interference in elections and spreading the base lie by orban that Zelensky was trying to go after him go after orban.”
Only a small part of the viral activities by JD Vance, you know, we have seen some pretty awful vice presidents in the past, in our lifetimes, we had Spiro Agnuth, who, after all, was approached in the White House with news that he was going to be indicted in Maryland for taking massive bribes when he'd been governor. And was forced to resign from that office, Spiro Agnuth was like a, a, a paragon of integrity compared to JD Vance.
“And, and Spiro Agnuth was convicted of tax fraud, so let's be, you know, let's be clear, yeah, I think Vance is repugned, but I do have a wish for JD Vance, and it's one of few areas where our desires overlap.”
I really hope JD Vance is the Republican nominee in 2028. He is so disgusting. I don't think, I mean, I hear your dog barking in the background, I would vote for your dog over JD Vance in a heartbeat. My dog would make a great president, and your dog could be the vice president. Thank you under those. There's a ticket. I'd actually support the back rama swami who has taken a and almost sure thing in Ohio running for governor and turned it into one where he is now way behind he'd be a perfect Republican nominee.
Well, they've got, they've got a lot to choose from.
In an effort for the administration brilliantly planned effort to distract from the Epstein files. Apparently Melania Trump just stood up at the White House while making remarks and said, the lies linking me with Jeffrey Epstein need to end today.
I've never been friends with Epstein. I never had a relationship with Epstein or his accomplice Maxwell. My email replied, a Maxwell can not be categorized as anything more than casual correspondence.
“Now, no, I'm you are an insider of Washington. Is this the way to make the Epstein story go away?”
I hope she keeps doing it over and over. And, you know, this is we have talked about this before, but the Chico Marx defense, who are you going to believe me or your own eyes? It's not lying eyes, just me or your own eyes. It's right out of Ducksup. And people think it was Groucho and people this characterized it, but that's what it is. And of course, your own eyes show lots of pictures of a young and gorgeous Melania Trump side by side with Jeffrey Epstein.
And we know that she came over as a model, including befriending a guy who somehow mysteriously died, just before he was about to give evidence about right.
As everyone does, and now she said this publicly, which is by the way, you know, she, I think Gary Hart's still alive. Somebody, she should have called Gary Hart, the said to the press, if you think I'm having an affair, prove it and they said, okay, they said go ahead and follow me and they followed him and proved it and this, you know, this is just Melania saying, okay, America. Have at it. And of course, they're going to prove it, but it was not norm the weirdest story of the week. What was David? Well, let me tell you, though, the weirdest story of the week was that apparently the undersecretary of defense for policy,
which Colby, son of former CIA director and former friend of mine, he's now the late William Colby, had a meeting with a representative of the Vatican. And said on good authority, the Vatican's got to go along with us, where the U.S. military, we can do anything we want.
“And threatened the possibility, and this is going to be lost on a lot of our listeners, perhaps, of an avignon papacy, which is a result of, is a reference to the great schism that I remember from when I was a kid.”
And it's just just an astonishing thing to me that somebody at a high level in the Pentagon thought that it was a good idea to threaten the Pope.
The Vatican you've got there would be a shame of something happened to it, but let's talk about the administration response to this. The first was, it's a lie it never happened.
That was followed by, well, there was a meeting, but it did go the way you thought it did. It was, well, there was a meeting and there were words exchange, but it wasn't Elbridge Colby, it was somebody else. That's where we are now. Right, and we weren't referring to the great schism, we were actually referring to the 30 years war, but that's a whole other. Well, it's a crazy town norm, it's just a crazy crazy town, and I am so glad that each and every week I get to turn to you for wisdom and insight, humor, solace, and rest assured.
“I will be back next week as well, all of our listeners who have turned our weekly conversations into their favorite podcasts that we do here at the DSR network, which I think.”
You know, is sign of their intergenious and also maybe they need a stiff drink, because what, what, what is it that, believe makes them come back for more. Before we go David, I just want to reference one other thing that happened this week.
Actually, I want to talk about two, but we're going to extend a little bit.
The one is that apparently a disgruntled employee just burned down an enormous factory in Ontario, California, of paper products, destroying 3% of the toilet paper for California, and I just want to say it's, you know, they've wiped out a good share of the toilet paper.
“Now, let me move on, and I want to talk about another action that Trump appears to be taking today, which is destroying the forest service and the park service.”
Taking basically ending research done by the forest service, cutting its personnel, invisorating it, and doing the same with the park police.
I just, I mentioned this because, of course, a lot of this is all these cuts taking place, so they can fund a 1.5 trillion dollar military. But think about the consequences, you take out the research that's done on the forest. Not only are we going to have more horrible diseases that hit trees and remove a good share of the trees in the country that are used for multiple purposes. Means a lot weaker trees, it means the lumber supply is going to be down, which means housing costs are going to go significantly up.
And it means more forest fires, larger spread of forest fires, more people and wildlife killed more neighborhoods destroyed. And that's the tip of the iceberg, the melting iceberg that we have to deal with in terms of the devastation because you cut the hard out of the park service.
“And I remember when Newt Gingrich shut down the government during the Clinton administration as you remember very well, because you didn't get paid for a significant period of time among other things.”
And they shut down. And I also, I was acting under Secretary of Commerce during the shutdown, but two of them.
And so there were 2400 people in the International Trade Administration, and there were like eight of us who were deemed essential.
And so it showed up at this giant building, which until the Pentagon was built was the biggest building in Washington. And there was nobody there. And I was presiding over a kingdom of nothing. But anyway, sorry.
“But the point is, that shutdown meant that the National Parks were closed over a prime holiday period.”
You have been, as I am sure, as I have, to many of the magnificent National Parks in Utah. And you go down to those parks, and it's not just the parks, it's the hotels, the restaurants, the gift shops, all of the commerce surrounding it.
So the first people to scream at noot for doing the shutdown and saying, "You've got to get this back."
Where the representatives from Utah who saw what the consequences were. So they're destroying the economy. They're creating misery. They're creating more inflation, higher costs, more mayhem on a daily and hourly basis. And that's the best you can say about these maniacs and lickspittals who are now running our federal government out of Washington from Congress and this administration. And that's a good note on which to end.
It is. It is. And it's completely consistent with everything else they're doing, and they're shutting down vital cancer research, or even this past week as the Artemis astronauts did provide us with really uplifting things. And the president tried to pilot on that to get some credit for the administration put forward a budget that cut by half the science budget of NASA. So, you know, wherever you look, when there's an opportunity to do something the wrong way that hurts the United States and the people of the United States, they do it.
Unfortunately for them, we are here every week to point it out. And we will do that again next week. But for now, thank you, Noron. Thank you, everybody, for listening. Bye-bye.

