Words Matter: How Low Will the Mobster-in-Chief Go?

subbasement of the Ministry of Snark in Washington, D.C. and from other undisclosed locations

across America and around the world. Hello and welcome to the DSR Networks Words Matter. I am David Rothkoff, your host, the guy who sits in the background and asks questions to provoke the guy who really shown up here to hear Norm Ornstein, the man who has figured out

“Washington when it is baffling to all the rest of us, how are you doing Norm?”

Well, I'm a little upset today, David, because if you don't put my name at the front of DSR Network, I'm going to have to shut down the whole thing. You know Norm, you're learning from the best, you're learning from the great one. And as it happens because you and I are so carefully attuned, undoubtedly due to something that happened with a bowl of borst and a stethyl a thousand years ago, I want to talk about

Kennedy Center, but I want to tell you something, maybe you can help me. Donald Trump's shutting down of the Kennedy Center, because he can't put his name on it, because he doesn't control it, because it's a memorial set up by the Congress.

“It's so appalling to me, and this is like I was starting more as killing people, killing”

people with epidemics, taking their health care away, destroying our demand. There's a lot to hate Donald Trump about. But there's something about his petulence, his pettiness, his narcissism, his vile behavior with regard to the Kennedy Center. It's like, you know, he wanted to go to the Washington Monument and say, "No, I want it to

be called the Trump Monument," or he wanted to go to the Lincoln Memorial and say, "I want it to be the Trump Memorial," or he wanted to go to every grave in Arlington National Cemetery that was won by the contains the remains of somebody who won the Medal of Honor and say, "No, I want to add Trump there," because he wants to steal value, he wants to steal glory, because he knows he's not getting it on its own, because this is a memorial.

It's not just an art center. It's a memorial to a slain president chosen to be built by the Congress,

“by the people of the United States, and what he's doing is it's all about him in the worst way.”

And it's really triggered me, Norm, and I just don't understand why this is getting to me so much compared to everything else. I'm with you on this, and I am slowly beginning to think that he is a narcissist.

But let me first do an additional condemnation of one of his cabinet members.

The nephew of John F. Kennedy, our slain president for whom the Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts was created, who has said nothing about this desecration, who just a few days ago at this mid-term convention, which was basically just another, please praise me event by Donald Trump. Kennedy gushed in praise saying that Trump was brilliant and nice and warm and empathetic, and has said nothing about this outrage.

Now, I can go back to something that we discussed many months ago, many months ago,

when Trump coming in as president first announced that he was firing the board,

firing the president, taking over the Kennedy Center. And the leadership of the Kennedy Center, the president, the general counsel, and the board, all just unilaterally caved on this. And I wrote a piece saying, this is ridiculous. You have a strong case that he cannot do this, that it is unlawful for him to do this. But they triggered all of this, which could lead to the absolute destruction of one of the

and work, and that he is doing this petulance. After already having a judge one, tell him,

“"No, your name can't be there." And when they took the name down, he insisted they put up a scaffolding”

so that if you can't see my name, you're not going to see John F. Kennedy's name, that scaffolding still there. And then threatening to pull down the building because it's fundraising collapsed

when he took over and basically destroyed its cultural heritage. And is refusing to spend money,

a good portion of which was donated by philanthropists and others to do a needed renovation of this body. And that he's getting away with it, including basically ignoring what judges have said, is emblematic not just of who Donald Trump is and who the people around him are and who represents him on this cabinet. But the failure of the Republican Congress, of the lick spittles he put on this board to do anything about it and let's note that he called

into the meeting of the board yesterday, and absolutely vilify Congresswoman Bady who is an exeficial member of the board who at first they tried to keep from voting and keep from even being in on the meetings. And Joyce Bady had to take this shit from this narcissistic malignant

“psychopath who happens to be the president of the United States. Is that a good enough for you?”

It's a start. It's a start. The reality is there is still a possibility he'll tear the building down.

Oh yeah. And you and I both know a lot of people don't know this that prior to Trump coming into office they've just spent a couple hundred million dollars renovating the building. You know when he says it was all run down that's complete bullshit. And when he says without him they can't raise money as you say that's complete bullshit. When he associated himself with the building is when it's stopping him to raise money. But now he may tear it down.

And now you know there is a Washington Post story that just popped up as we are beginning our

podcast that they're going ahead with putting up science in front of the Smithsonian

institution saying that the exhibits within the institution contain political bias and may not be accurate. Why? Because they talk about things like slavery. They talk about things like genocide against the Indians. They talk about the things that really happened in American history. But when you look at this you know you look at what he's doing at the Kennedy Center. What he's doing at the Smithsonian. What he's doing at the White House where he literally I mean I

if you saw the drone shots earlier in the week he has building an addition to the White House. That is going to tower over the White House dominate the White House. His twice as big in terms of number of square feet 90,000 versus 45,000 square feet than the White House. And he did it illegally. He's building an arch. He's starting any Dana to build an arch that will be the tallest structure in all of DC and will tower over and dominate and distract from Arlington National

Cemetery. It is as if you know when the British came in during the war of 1812 and burnt down the White House in the Tackle Washington we have a foreign occupying force doing this except the British did nothing like the damage the Trump is doing. There is a foreign occupier vandalizing, destroying Washington in a way that if they were associated with a foreign government and I'll get to that in a minute we would declare war. We you know we we would accuse

these whoever the the figures were involved of a direct violent attack on our nation's capital. And this guy's doing it every single fucking day. As the Republicans in Congress say nothing about any of this going on and you know there's one more I mean all of this.

“Out of the outrageous and the fact is if and when we have a decent government in place”

the cost of undoing this damage is going to be extraordinary but it has to be done. We cannot leave in place these monuments. It's going to be like tearing down the Berlin Wall bringing down

There's one more outrage that nobody's talked about yet but which I fear is coming.

“You and I know as do most of the people who work in and around Washington as do tourists”

have come that right next to the White House is a majestic old building called the old executive office building sort of classic architecture. It's a gray building and beautiful. He wants to paint it white. It will be if he does this, garrish and it's almost like taking a rich wooden library with the finest of hardwoods. Beautiful, warm room to be in and painting it some garrish color

that nobody even wants to be in. This man who has already dispoiled the White House

destroyed the rose garden. Made the White House look like some combination of Versailles and a trailer park. Those things at least are relatively easy to rectify. You can tear down the

“phony gold leaf, take it off. You can remake the rose garden at costs that are not outrageous.”

The other stuff, it's going to be so hard and expensive to do and all as a monument to this malignant narcissist while everybody around him, his staff, his cabinet and the lick spiddles in Congress, the Republicans who are running things do nothing. It is so despicable and of course we should know that the Supreme Court gave him the green light to go ahead and continue to work on this outrageous garrish ballroom. I'm sorry to interrupt, but I really have to tell you about our

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but just just bear with me, okay? Absolutely. 40 or 50 years ago, there was a guy in New York city named Roy Cone. Roy Cone was a disgusting character, a lawyer who worked during the red scare against loyal Americans who then moved into New York City and did business with the lowest of the low in New York City. He was a mob lawyer. He did business with the Gambino crime family. He also was a lawyer who did business with the Russian mob from Brighton Beach with boxing

promoters. In fact, something I've learned in the past week that I didn't know was that Roy Cone's father was a boxing promoter this will matter in a second and Roy Cone was often indicted for illegal and other you know intimidating and other kinds of activities associated with boxing promotion. Okay. So who does Roy Cone take under his wing as his his protege? Well, if you've seen the movie, the apprentice, his apprentice was a guy named Donald Trump. And Roy Cone is the

man who taught Trump never apologized for anything. He's the man who taught Trump at a proceed.

But he's also the man who set Trump up in business. And when you look at Trump's businesses, he built apartment towers in New York that were not apartment towers. They were money laundering machines where Russian mobsters would come in by multiple apartments. They would get hooked up with Trump sometimes through a cone. Trump would go and when they would buy all these apartments, he would show up and and and celebrate them for doing it. They never occupied the apartments. Well,

one of them did one of these Russian mobsters who occupied one of these apartments, number 63A in

this is not just the limits of cones influence. When Trump opened up the casinos in Atlantic

“City, he knew that he would not succeed unless he was able to get big boxing matches there.”

So he would go to Don King and other promoters who are tied to organized crime who helped him build these buildings. And he hobbed and he got deeper and deeper into this dark, weird world where organized crime and boxing promotion mixed all together. Where organized crime and boxing promotion and Russian criminals and the Russian mob mixed all together. Now, why you may ask

him I saying this? Is this just more Russia, Russia, Russia? And then I would say earlier this week,

pro-publica ran a story about the wedding of Donald Trump Jr. in the Bahamas, in which hundreds of thousands of dollars were given to the wedding by a Russian oligarch close to Vladimir Putin,

“who is also a boxing promoter. And in fact, is the direct successor to the guy who ran”

the illegal betting out of the Trump tower. And is close, in fact, Donald Trump's wife, Jr.'s wife, and trying to defend this called them their dear friend. To Don Jr., who is pushing for what? Sports betting in the United States is a polymarket, Kalshi, prediction markets that would be unregulated sports betting in the United States is tied to the world of mixed martial arts which led Trump to do a big event for July 4th, not celebrating it with fireworks or anything.

Distinguished but he was celebrating it with mixed martial arts presented by Guy Dana White, who he got connected to in Atlantic City, while he was promoting the events at his casinos.

“This is part of a long line of Russian mobsters who've been involved with Trump,”

Gambino crime family members who had been involved with Trump. And this was written about. In the 1980s, I would be in New York City. I pick up Wayne Barrett articles in the village voice, Jack Newfield articles in the village voice, writing and saying, "Donald Trump is associating with these Russian mobsters." And here we are, 40 years later, and they're not even making they're not even hiding it anymore. The Russians helped Trump win in 2016. He then said Russia,

Russia, Russia was a hoax. When Jack Smith and Mueller looked at it, they said, "Actually, no, it wasn't. They worked with the Russians." And now they're continuing to do this work with the Russians through Donald Trump Jr., who is more influential than anybody else in Trump's cabinet, who's making big decisions because he's also invested in defense contractor. And they're all

part of this enrichment scheme, which the Forbes says has enriched Donald Trump by $2 to $3 billion

in the course of the past 20 months of being president again. And I just, it's like we're saying before if a foreign enemy attacked the United States, what would we do? But what I'm saying is this, a foreign enemy did attack the United States. Donald Trump was married to his first wife, whose father was involved with the KGB. The background of his second wife also dubious, also Eastern Glock, his son is involved with this, his son-in-law, Jared Kushner, and Steve Whitkoff, his real estate

partner, who's also been involved in the shady real estate stuff. We're in Moscow two weeks ago, saying when we look back at this period in our history, the thing we will cherish most, Mr. Putin is our time with you. And I'm like, oh my God, this stuff was written down, go read it, folks, in the '80s. They said what this guy was. And in the midst of all of this, and this is where I wrap it up because you're talking about painting buildings, white and Corinthian columns and bold

statues and all this other stuff is this all was where Trump got the money to become the most vulgar person in the world. And all of his tastes, they don't even reflect Las Vegas.

place in Russia. And somehow it's all here in plain sight. Hey, America, this guy hangs out with

these people. These people are associated with our enemy. Our enemy wants to destroy us. They are taking advantage of us. They were criminals. And we're all like, oh, happy to stay. Happy Wednesday. I don't know, Norm. I'm wound up today. You are sounding more and more like me, David. I don't know. I consider myself your proudest. Okay. I do have to give props to Kurt Anderson,

“who I believe in the now-defunct and missed spy magazine referred to Trump as a”

short-fingered vulgarian. And the short fingers were actually meant for other appendages.

But that's another story entirely. Let us note that not only did Jared Kushner make these outrageous and vile comments about Russia and Steve Whitkoff about Putin, but we have other evidence from, I believe, Pro-Publica that they were there and foreign intelligence from our allies reported this, discussing more business deals with Russia. This is directly trading American national interest for business deals with these greedy traders and grifters who are a part of the Trump

crime family. And we should note that, along with all of that, and by the way, David Corn of Mother Jones magazine, who wrote a book some years ago called Russian Roulette about all of this, has a new book just out on the Russian connections, and what we know has been long time, collusion with Russia and I will email you. And I will interject, who is our guest on Deep State Radio this week. So if you want more of this, join us for that. I didn't know that, but it's the

perfect segue. But let us note that Trump and his ex-piddle minions now are trying to blame the high price of diesel fuel, not on anything that Trump did with his war that shut down the straight of Hormuz and now is likely to shut down the red sea, but on Ukraine. And saying Ukraine is

“the aggressor here. They're the ones cutting out Russian refineries, and that's why we have high”

diesel prices, and why they have to cave and surrender to Russia. And we can go further than that, just to make another segue. We have another story here, David. And that is about the major figures in artificial intelligence, all of the big companies in America joining together to endorse what the anthropic CEO said, which is, we got to put the brakes on here because the fact is AI, if we keep going in this breakneck pace, could destroy humanity. And what did Donald Trump say?

Donald Trump, who, along with his family, are deeply invested in AI and want those stocks to keep going up. And want them to keep going up because they're part of the artificial bubble in the stock market, the frenzy over them said, you don't have to do anything to curtail AI. You've got a high IQ president who can take charge of all of that, all to enrich himself and to provide more excuses for the disastrous economy he has settled us with.

Yeah, I would add a couple of things there on the AI story. One, those guys who said that it should be regulated, we should regulate it ourselves. And so they are promoting the idea that the AI

“industry becomes the only major self-regulated industry in history. Why do they want to do that?”

Because they want the benefits of regulatory capture. They want basically to set the rules for

themselves. But they also want to drive rules in a direction that keeps out their competition. So while the threat of AI is a real threat, which needs to be taken seriously, the last person in the world that I would say, hey, you can don't handle this is Elon Musk or Peter Teele or Sam Altman or any of these other guys who got us here in the first place, we have to understand their motives when they say that they would like to regulate it for themselves. I would also add that

that there is a 10-ish percent chance that AI could lead to doom for the human race in the next 10 years.

“The reality is it's a distraction they regularly use. When they want people not to be looking”

at their other business practices, at their data centers, at their threat, theft of data, at their invasions of privacy, at their threats posed to national security, at things like autonomous weapon systems and so forth. And so they often do this, hey, look over here, this is the big thing when they are trying to distract from the bulk of their business, which is someplace else. Again, and Norm, you're just the segue machine of all segue machines this week.

On our still consciousness podcast, the one that we do on AI, our guest this week is a laundry Nelson who was a senior official in the Biden administration focused on AI. She's now at the

“Institute for Advanced Study at Princeton. She is a brilliant woman. She understands these issues inside”

out, and we, by through listening or watching that, so the consciousness episode can give you a perspective on this that is not too dimensional. But, you know, you get to a core truth with what you're saying. And that is Trump views the presidency purely as a means of enrichment of himself as family and his friends or gratification of the various work aspects of his character. And yet something interesting happened this week. Because one of the things that Don Jr and Eric and Trump himself

really, really want is to sort of legitimize the world of crypto, which, by the way, is a world where that you will find plenty of Russian mobsters and oligarchs and others doing nefarious things. And so a bill was presented to their Congress, which would have done that. And it lost.

“I think eight Republicans said, no, we're not going with this. And I just wondering, you know,”

we are a student of the of of the Congress, do you think in in small ways, not in the big ways, that, you know, ought to be the case given everything that we've said thus far about Trump, do you think he's losing it a little bit? I do think that, well, he's losing it in two ways,

Dave. First is he's losing it because his mental state, which was not good to begin with,

is clearly deteriorating. This is a man who's decompensating, but he's also losing it because increasingly Republicans in Congress, at least, even though they're going along, they still are, they still fear him, they fear his base, they fear the cult. In small ways, they're starting to try and get a little distance from him because he is a giant anchor, pulling them down into the depths as we approach this midterm election. His approval rating and

popularity are in the gutter. And at the same time, he is doubling down on policies that are deeply unpopular. And they're trying to find a way to not to get him to target on them, but to show that they're not entirely in the pocket of Donald Trump. And the more he's six, including, as we said last week, as we've said many times now, Trump's support, which we thought had a kind of a base of about 35% who would be with him no matter what. That 35% now is just

about evenly divided between those who are strongly with him, but ones who really will be with him no matter what. That's now 17 or 18% of the electorate. And another 17% or so, say, they still approve, but not so much. And they could go further into the whole because the reality is that we're going to see more trauma and trouble between now and November. In the economy, instability in the world with diseases and other issues, the viral RFK junior who I talked

about before yesterday, railing against Governor Josh Shapiro of Pennsylvania, who pointed out an 18-year-old dying of measles, the third measles death in Pennsylvania, said he's trying to

exploit it politically. And I've always said that the most effective way to fight measles is the

all of the times, all of them. There are a lot of them. When RFK junior shut all over the MMR vaccine

“and vaccines for any of these diseases, including measles. So we're going to have more measles.”

We know as we talked about every week now, we're going to have more foodborne diseases. We're going to have more trauma out there. We're going to have a health care system that can't cope with it. And between now and November, I'm expecting to see maybe a little bit more of an effort by some of those Republicans in Congress. Just as we see a few modest efforts in the Supreme Court to put a few curbs on this malignant narcissistic psychopath decompensating even further.

Well, one of the people who seems to be trying to distance themselves from Trump is J.D. Vance. Who seems to be leaking stories to the press saying, "Well, I was against this Iran war."

“And the question is, how long can that last? How long before Trump gets absolutely”

fed up with that? You know, just as an aside here, there's another interesting little tidbit out there. The Republican candidate for railroad commissioner in Texas. Oh, that's a nice guy. A name, a name that is deliberately misleading. The railroad commissioner regulates oil and gas in Texas. And they didn't want people to know that. And this is a guy who the Republican establishment in Texas did not want in that position because he's a racist monstrous

nutcase named Beau French. And Beau French did a tweet after the University of Texas came from way behind to beat Ohio State University as we for Michigan State, beating Ohio in a football game.

“Tweeted a picture of a bunch of Texas students, UT students at the game, who appeared to be”

from the subcontinent, cheering rockously and exultant after this victory, basically saying,

"This is what's happened to the University of Texas." It's being dispoiled by these disgusting brown people. And was condemned by a lot of the right wing establishment in Texas, including John Corden saying that he would vote for a Democrat because he didn't want Beau French. And Donald Trump came to the defense of Beau French. Now why do I mention this? Because you brought up JD Vance. JD Vance's wife is from the subcontinent. She is an Indian-American,

her parents who were distinguished Indian-American academics, both came from India. We have Harme Dillon and Cash Patel, who are both from Indian backgrounds. And I'm just waiting to see. Now that Donald Trump has come to the defense of Beau French's vial racist attacks on Hindus and Indian Americans, joined in by a good part of Maga, whether JD Vance will, in some ways, spring to the defense of his wife and his in-laws, or will fall back on what he said during

the campaign. Well, it's true that she's not white, but she's a really good mother. Maybe that's the degree to which we can trust JD Vance to have any integrity whatsoever, which is not at all. Not at all because he's going to come back, you know, he's been an anti-immacrant.

He's always spread a lot of the vial. They're eating the cats, they're eating the dogs. That's right.

And after he knew it was false. And turning point USA, Erica Curr, little of Charlie Curr. You know, they're doubling down. They're saying JD is our guy because he will advance the white Christian nationalist agenda that they've got, which happens to run contrary to the interests of, I don't know, his own kids, people in his own family, his wife. It's it's pretty disgusting. But before I go, I do want to give you an opportunity

to talk about one Indian, uh, uh, of what American of Indian descent in, in a little bit more detail. And that is Cash Patel, who you mentioned, who yesterday testified in the Congress on a wide range of issues from allowing people who've been involved in peace, theality to be FBI agents. Yes,

everybody who looked into Trump and Russia, uh, was deweaponizing the FBI when, as I pointed out,

“at perhaps too much length earlier, the ties between Trump and Russia are ties that have existed”

throughout his entire career and have tied him to the worst people in Russia and are the kinds of ties that could be used by people of power in Russia to influence outcomes and we have seen a pattern of those outcomes being influenced. But I would add Cash Patel shutting down the parts of the FBI that look into that stuff. But anyway, you saw him yesterday. What do you think? Uh, it was,

you know, we have seen some utterly embarrassing and awful performances by Trump's cabinet.

I'm thinking of Pam Bondi among others in testifying in front of Congress. This might have been the worst. The number of lies, the self-righteousness behind those lies, but all reflecting on the

“both incompetence, venality and indecency of this man and what he's done with the FBI. And even”

watching Cornpone John Kennedy, the Republican from Louisiana, normally a, uh, loyalist, McSpittle to Trump, asking questions about the bestiality and Patel's response was to say that

they're victims. Uh, so I will say that, um, I responded to my friend George Conway this morning

talking about the, uh, when he refers to as, uh, uh, zoosectuals. Um, and I said, you know, we can use this to protect ourselves against the FBI invading polling places by making sure that those vulnerable polling places, we have a set of attractive use. That's female sheep, nanny goats and cows outside to distract the FBI away from invading the polling places. But the idea that you're going to, uh, allow

“people who have committed sexual crimes with animals into the FBI, I've known some FBI agents,”

and I know what you, in the past, have had to go through to make it to become an agent of the FBI. And of course, it's the same as what they've done in restricting all of the standards at ice and, uh, the border patrol, uh, the kinds of people they're letting in now, but it was also cash Patel refusing to answer the question about whether he had unleashed the FBI agents behind him to go after journalists and to go after people criticizing him by responding on social media. And then

saying, I've only taken four days off all year. And of course, we know how he defines days off jetting over to, uh, have beers with the Olympic hockey team. He would not view as a day off, uh, doing surfing and, uh, uh, other activities as he tries to put some patina of official act on it. He doesn't define as a day off, getting drunk at, uh, clubs in Washington. He wouldn't define that way. What an embarrassment and the person who's happiest about cash Patel being there,

just as he's happy about Pete Heggsett being there is Vladimir Putin. Absolutely. He's the big winner. Yeah. He's, you know, when when they were, you know, starting to deal with Trump, you know, 35, 40 years ago, they thought this could be an influential American. Almost all intelligence services identify influential people in countries and they get close to them because they think they will learn something and that they will, you know, it's the old Jeffrey

Epstein thing. If you don't think the Epstein network was infiltrated by multiple, uh, intelligence services. You don't understand how intelligent services work. He doesn't mean these people are working directly for these governments. However, you know, when they get close to these people, you know, they start testing the limits and seeing how much they can get out of this. This, uh, uh, elevation of this friend of the Russian mob to be the president of the United

States is the most successful intelligence operation ever run in the history of the world.

down the United States in managing this kind of operation than any of his predecessors.

“Uh, yeah. So let me as we end just circle back to where we, uh, not quite began, which was this”

mobster, thug, bodyguard, hell of Vladimir Putin's who, uh, spent hundreds of thousands of dollars, uh, for Donald Trump Jr. at his wedding. And the, uh, response from Donald Trump Jr. and his wife, where this is one of our dearest friends, and he made a generous gift in how dare you attack it. And then we had, uh, uh, and it, you know, another outrageous event, a press conference by our attorney general at the White House, showing that he is just a consiguary to the crime

family and not the independent attorney general. But when asked about this, saying,

President doesn't know this person. He's never heard the name. He knows nothing about it.

And why would I have to pay any attention to it anyhow? Somebody close to Putin spending hundreds of thousands infiltrating, uh, the president's family. And then Eric Trump said, I don't know who this is. We've never heard of him. Pretty strange for a family that's very close together, that one of the dearest longtime friends of Donald Trump Jr., Eric Trump's never heard of him, and Donald Trump has no idea who he is. And there are always to be something weird there.

They're all in pictures together. Yeah. At this wedding. Um, and, you know, it's just

I, it's, I don't know. I, I take it in every day all day long. I talk to you about it. We

try to figure it out. And I have to admit I'm still careful. I'm still, I'm still astonished that these, these are the people who shouldn't have gotten through door number one for association with the United States government. These are the kind of people who would have been weeded out. I remember getting my security clearances and everything when I was in the government and the questions that we were asked. And they would, would have just been weeded out.

I mean, you know, these forms were so detailed and great. You know, they still do, by the way,

“I think, but you have to list every country you've ever visited when you visited.”

Because the idea was, you could possibly be compromised. And everybody in the White House had to have a clearance, except during the last turn, they didn't get that far with Jared or Ivanka. And this time, there are fewer people that have clearances. You think Natalie Hark has a clearance, even though she's around Donald Trump 24/7. No, they don't care. Who benefits? Quibano, who benefits from that? They form intelligent services. That's who benefits from that.

Yep. And, you know, many of us remember Alder James. We've had moles inside the FBI and the CIA many, many years were able to operate and give the most sensitive intelligence and information, including sources and methods to our adversaries or enemies. We've viewed it as the worst betrayal imaginable. Now it's almost out in the open. It's not almost out of the open. Yeah, it is. Norm, in May of 2017, the foreign minister and the ambassador of Russia

entered the Oval Office. And the president of the United States said, here is some intelligence we got from Israeli intelligence and gave them classified information in an Oval Office meeting. He then took boxes and boxes of documents that were not his that he did not have the ability to take and, you know, put them in bathrooms at Mara Logo, which is crawling with spies. And, according to some reports, would talk about the contents of these documents in his private

meetings. You know, that this is literally every cardinal rule of national security that exists, have a national security council, have weapons to defend yourself. Don't enter into crazy wars, support your alliances, try to constrain your enemies. Don't give your enemies leverage over yourself.

“Don't give them secret intelligence, but, you know, don't take their side in these disputes.”

Every single cardinal rule of national security has been violated by Donald Trump. And, you know, we know that one of the ways in which the Russians and the Chinese have infiltrated is the so-called honeypot. They get these beautiful women who end up in relationships with people who have sensitive information. Now, it's going to be sheep and goats and cows and

attracted to animals. There you go.

“Neither you, nor do our John Kennedy and the senator could resist this, a story, I understand.”

Well, that's it. That's Washington this week. There is one day less than seven weeks to go before

the election. And obviously, we're going to track this as closely as we can and fortunately,

“for all of you who are trying to make sense of this every week, you're going to have the chance”

to hear what Norm says because he is well-connected, wise, experienced, and knowledgeable.

So, we'll see you again soon, Norm. We'll see you again soon, everybody out there and until then. Bye-bye. Bye-bye.