Episode #113 Guest Appearance with Dr. Daniel Pompa FROM PAIN TO PURPOSE Show!

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People always say, "Oh, you overcame this overcame that, I caused it."

I am an accountable person. I made myself into that situation and into that person, so there's one person to blame. I had dyslexia as a kid. Probably mostly from myself, because when you compare yourself to other kids and you can't read in your seventh grade, you're stupid.

In my mind, that age I didn't know that I had other superpowers because of their dyslexia. I had a lot of money, a nice house, a beautiful wife, every car, and every night I go to bed. And I'd look around me and I'd be like, "Why do I feel good? Why do I feel bad?"

People focus on the love part of God, but they also forget his judgment. He's both.

“Every single human, I don't care how glorious they make themselves look.”

I don't care how much money they have. I don't care. They all have issues. Every hard thing that happened to me, I needed to happen. God is that good.

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You know a lot about hormones. You know a lot of a lot of things because paying the purpose is been your life. And I can't wait to hear where it all started. You spend time in jail. I mean, all these amazing things.

That's what makes people better. Every great person in the Bible spent time. It's true. I mean, it's crazy. And sometimes it's just mental jail like David as he ran from Saul, but the fact is is that that's

where your whole life changed. So I want to start there. Yeah.

“I want to start there, man, because if you want to go back even before that to set that up,”

knock out it. I love it. I like to talk about it. But let me just say this before I do that, because people always say, "Oh, you overcame this overcame that.

I caused it." I am an accountable person. I made myself into that situation and into that person. So yeah, I did overcome it, but I also I caused it. Yeah.

So there's one person to blame. Yeah. And that's true. I want to say this at the top of the show, reason why I don't want people to tune out.

Part of your story was also an eating disorder. And that is such hush, hush, people don't talk about it. When you talk about that, when you see that on social media, you're going to talk about that, come clean on that today as well. So just setting people up because so many people are going to want to share the show.

Because to your point, you cause that too. Right. And I don't say that in a bad way, but that is that taking responsibility. So I love that you started with. Oh, yeah.

I want to always be accountable first and foremost.

That's a lost art anymore. And so it's just, it really bothers me. I'm not old, but I'm old school. How I was raised. And so, all right.

So I'm old, how old are you? 43. Yeah, you're not old. I'm 60. I guess I'm old.

I don't know. You know what, though? I was on the call, she's my prayer warrior in our business and our light. This woman's been a part of our life for many years. We call her our black grandma because she is.

And, but she's our prayer warrior, we call her CPO or chief prayer officer. I love that. And, and she's 95, bro. Still no glasses.

And she's still travelin' around praying for people. Anyways, she said to me, she was like, Dr. Pombo. You're 60 years old. You're in the prime of your life. Now, to her that is true, because she's thinking back 60 year, if you remember, you know,

but most people, 60 years, if the average age is 74, crop prime of your life, you have 15 years left. You're almost, no.

“That's why you need to pay attention to the show.”

That's right. Okay. Anyways, go. I'm sorry. I just had that.

Oh, yeah.

And everything, my whole premise on how I operate is God first.

And that's when my life really changed when I went that route. But there's a trajectory there. So I was actually, you know, I'm a four sport athlete in high school and my whole life was sport. What's that?

What's that? First sport, fourth sport athlete. Fourth sport athlete. Yeah. All blended together.

Four sport. So I played basketball football tennis at baseball in high school all through.

“Now, as you get to the end, you have to kind of condense that it's too much.”

Yeah. It's going to say that. So I went basketball.

I played college basketball and that's kind of where this started.

So I got hurt twice. Two different schools, two different scholarships gone. And my mom wanted me to do modeling and acting. Now for me, it was a little too feminine. I didn't want to do it.

But I started to look into it and I said, oh, women, money like the way that they're dressing because I did love fashion. And so I went ahead and did this audition. And they picked me like they pick all kinds of people and they take your money and train you for six months and then take you to this big competition, it's called IMTA.

And then they, you know, they flood you with, oh, all of these famous people came through here. Well, at the time, I was partying heavy and I was more concerned about that. So I really kind of blew off a lot of the training. Didn't take it serious, paid all this money.

Once again, my parents charged everything to pay for it. And I got out there and there's 20, 30,000 people in this place and this big auditorium. And I'm going, what the hell am I doing here, man? I decided I'm going to go all out, take this serious. Why ended up getting fourth place out of like 15, 20,000 people in my whole, it was called

fourth runner-up.

“So what do you think was it that caused you to take fourth place?”

Because there was all these personalities and good looking people. I'm sure what, what was it, what made you stand out in your mind? In my mind back then, it's because I just thought it was so great and so, so good looking. Now I think it was, I think I was a little like charismatic and kind of things that have carried me with my show and I, to decipher, you know, when you got a lot of people that

are good looking, how do you decipher and distinguish? I think a lot of it's your character and how you present yourself and, you know, the reason I didn't get higher, I was told is because I was too old, because I was 24 and they were looking for people younger. I got a contract to go to Milan, which is like, going from high school in B.A., well,

I get out there and you're like around 250, the best male models in the world. And I think I'm hot going out there and, you know, and just thought I was so great and you quickly realize when you're out there that A, you're not and B, you know, this lifestyle is not what you think. So here's my schedule, attempt to get up early because you've been partying the whole night

before, but do your best, get ready to get on the subware, the bus to get to your agency, get your call sheet, get around to maybe three or four auditions throughout an entire day, go back home, go to the gym and then go party, and the weekends, it's just minus the getting up and go to the agency, you know, so you've got to sleep all day so you can party again.

You don't pay for drinks when you're a model there, they know the models, you don't pay, they want you in there. I tell you what, the addiction is all over that, right? I just recently interviewed Elmick Fiererson, at least people in my age. She was like, oh, McPhiererson, and I tell my kids, oh, McPhiererson, who?

Anyway, but she was an amazing interview with her book as fabulous, by the way, you have to read it. But part of what we talked about is her addiction. I've got into Elkahal, yeah. It was the scene that you just described, yeah, and she was in New York, and I mean, it was

heyday fun, she talked about the palladium, I was like, these were clubs that I knew back in the days. That was a fun conversation, but anyways, yeah, to your point, that lifestyle leads to nothing but bad. And you know what, man, like you do get addicted sometimes to the alcohol on the drugs, but

you get addicted to the life, yeah, you get addicted to the attention, who you feel like everybody around you is making you to be, right?

I was more addicted to that than the drugs or the alcohol, yeah, you know, I never had

a drug problem, I had a money problem and an addiction to what people thought about me, was my real problem. Okay, so that, I mean, it sounds like we almost want to go into this now, because that led you most likely, I don't want to put words in your mouth, you're eating disorder, body morphism, because of the pressure, I mean, is that how you ended up there now?

Now, it started way young, and that's why I got into studying nutrition.

a bunch of weight. I was overweight. Okay.

You know, it's always around like the most popular kids, but you know, you know, when

the back of your head, if somebody wants ammo on you or whatever they immediately, they're going to be like, what you're fat. You know, and it was like, I'm friends with all of the, like, good looking or popular girls, but could never date anyone, because I didn't, you know, and it got to me to the point where I'm playing all these sports.

I'm overweight. So God bless my mom. I'm an only child, but she'd give me anything I wanted, Italian mom. So I ate crap all the time. You know, and so it got to the point where from 7th to 8th grade, I played tackle football

and hit this growth spurt, like 5/8, almost 6/1. So I lost like 25/30 pounds. And then I went back to school the next year, and it was like, the whole world opened up for me. Yeah.

Yeah. So beyond it, making me better at sports, it got me way more attention, like with girls and everything I wanted, you know. And anyway, eventually people were saying, oh, he's doing this. He's doing drugs.

He's has, he's anorexic. I don't even know what after this crap means. Yeah. We'll go back to my mom and dad, so then they start quizzing me. And I'm sitting there going, I don't know what the hell what just happened here.

I don't even know what anorexia is. I don't know what some of these drugs are you talking about. And it got to my head because of that, then I started to get terrified. Well, what happens if I get in the way back?

Well, here's what I can do to keep it off.

“That's what I got the eating disorder, because then I started looking at myself in the mirror”

and I gained a pound. I didn't even look at that stuff. I didn't care. All of this noise led me to develop this fear. I don't ever want to feel that again.

I get that, don't want to go back to this again. That's when the bulimia started like, well, I'm going to just throw this up if I feel like it's bad. All that is is identity issues, meaning that you had a false identity. We all have false identities because of things that people say about us.

Yeah. A lot of people who care. Those brothers, sisters, and others fathers, and let coaches, etc. Or the random people, you know, if you start to get called fat, that identity takes you on and then it affects you.

It does. And the fear of going back there is scary. Yeah. You just don't want to feel it again. It's still painful.

Yeah. And like, so that's when I started to read food nutrition labels though at the same time. Now, granted. And how old were we at that point? 11.

Okay. But you know, the reading and interpretation of the labels was totally misguided because it was low fat craze time. I was just going to say that. I was doing the math in my head.

Yeah. It was low fat diets for all the rage. Right. Yeah. Like labels, low fat, low fat.

You still see that honestly. But you know, it was the gluten free of the day. Dude. So that's this. I feel like I'm such a mess because that developed the fear of fat that I dealt with

until a year and a half ago that I finally beat back.

Yeah. It took me 30 years. But I bet you so many viewers, especially my age is the 60s.

“You were right there and still fear of fat because of that day, right?”

Like fat makes you fat, right? I can't tell you how many things I've done. That fat doesn't make you fat. It's the inability to burn it. It's not as simple as you think, right?

Anyway. Yeah. I'm going to blow your mind in a little bit. We'll tell you. But so we, I was at that level at that stage where my parents and especially my decks

and my dad was a hardcore sports guy. And he was just, he wasn't sitting. That's the four sports. Yeah. It was not sitting well with him that I was doing this.

And they didn't know how to handle it. He basically said so. So hold up. I got up. So believe me.

Yeah. Okay. Usually people hide that very West trying. Okay. But your father knew they both my mom and dad.

Okay. All right. And how did they know? Do you think? I didn't hide it well.

So there were not cleaning it up well disappearing after every time I ate. Okay. Yeah. So they were privy enough to, and other parents had mentioned it when I was at their house.

And so he said, listen, you're either going to weigh 150 pounds. And I had dropped like 130 something at 6.1 is very, very small. That's for, yeah. You're either going to weigh 150 pounds by the time basketball starts or you're not planned.

And he was dead serious.

“And I was like, okay, there's nothing more important than me to play basketball.”

So that helped me get past it at that point. And it's, you know, at that point in time, it was like, I really had kind of overcome it. But I was still looking at myself like, you know, disparageantly for a little bit. But I went to good four or five years without it really overtaken me.

And then when I got into the modeling and stuff, here again, here it came back again. But it was a nonstop thing then from there on out. And it wasn't even really the bulimia. It was more like, I'm not going to eat as much. The transition, that's still been a part of it.

when it kind of was like, I don't care.

Yeah, I'm just going to go back. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We, that'll bait people in right there, isn't what, what does he mean? But I don't, let's not leave the conversation yet because what do you think the main cause of the factors of bulimia?

How does somebody, I mean, your story's your story, but what do you think it is for most people? Is there a common thread is what I'm asked? Well, for what I would say, the difference between the anorexing the bulimia as you're starving yourself as opposed to eating a lot and making yourself throw up, I think that

people that are addicted to food, whether it be chocolates, candies, ice cream, whatever. It's an easy way to get it out. You know, you can do it and get rid of it or the people that can't, they just can't starve themselves. They just can't do that route because it's too difficult.

Mm-hm. Well, I'll just, I'll throw up some of it. I know. And that's the difference between probably the same route, but that little nuance determines

the bulimic versus the anorexing.

So, yeah, I think so. Yeah. I mean, I can't, I don't want to speak for others, but I can speak from people that I've talked. Yeah, and you're more aware of this than I am, so, you know, you're more the expert

here. But I would think that that would be the case. Yeah. So, when we talk about the route of these, what do you think some of the common routes are?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think that you, well, one is misguided information about the food you're eating. I eat the low fat diet, and I mean, that alone put the fear into me.

Anytime I had anything that I saw was more than three or four grams of fat, I was like, man, I just ate that. I got to get that out. And people do the same thing with calories. Yeah.

“So, I go and my gosh, I, you know, calorie, calorie, you know, that's why I believe that calorie”

counting, fat counting, all that can lead to an addiction that can be end up in a bulimera interaction. If you become too obsessive with the numbers, see, for me, the numbers now are man, I'm not hitting these, I need to hit them, so I can keep my weight and be healthy. Is there a certain personality predisposed to that?

Type A, you know, I think type A is very, very much. It's predisposed to a lot of things, really. Do you think there's any wounds early on in childhood that predisposed people? I think so. You know, meaning they end up with a body morphism or, you know, and then that brings

that attention. Yeah. Happened to me. Yeah. You know, I think it could happen to a lot of people.

One of the things that I've been learning, because I've been studying the neuropsych, because I was just a fitness and then a cardiology guy and a cellular guy, but I wasn't taken the account of the neuropsych and the importance of that. Like, I'm, I'm in school for neuroscience now. And because I'm connecting the mind and the body together, and I'm realizing that there's

so many aspects of our health that really are here and they're not even here. Yeah. That's why I'm digging, right? Because I think there's a lot of entry points, meaning yeah, cause it's right. And, you know, I mean, I wonder if, you know, any childhood trauma can, you know, end up

there because of control. Yes. You know, I think of like the bizarreness of something like SNM or, you know, this, like, like, how would someone get, they say, and you know, nothing about it? They say it's a control thing.

And they feel like they got abused and then they can control this, right? So I wonder if there's something in any type of trauma that can happen as a child. And then, hey, I can control this aspect of my life because I feel like there's out of control. Yeah.

“You know, a lot of that came to me and I was told, you, you need to be in control.”

You need to be in control. And then I was made to feel that way, but for me personally, that wasn't that, that was not it. I mean, I'll admit all day what I was doing and what was that? It wasn't a control thing.

It was a fear. It was a damn fear. Yeah. So I think it could be both. Yeah.

It can. I think that people will, you know how it is, if it's for one person, they try to antiquate that to every single person.

Mine, I was convinced it was a control thing until I finally came to the realization.

You're just scared. You're just scared. And I get that because I have a great fear of going back to my illness to the point where I have an abnormal fear of water mold. You know, I mean, toxins in general, right?

You know, it drives me to be better, it keeps me very on board. But there was a time where it can be too much. Yeah. And that fear can control you. That's where you lose control.

“So I can see where you might say you need to gain control back because you've lost”

it. But I know for me personally, I'm not a control guy. I mean, I like to be, and I like to do my own work and everything and be the one that's accountable. But I'm not a, like, yeah.

I got to be in control. And then that links to a false identity, right? You know, meaning, you know, how you look and that'll depends on whether you are worth something. Right?

It's like identity. Our true identity, meaning who God created us to be, there's no, you know, you have worth because you know where you're, you know, who you are, right? Who God created you to be. When you believe or get put on false identities, you don't know your worth.

Do you think your worth is in this or the sport or, and so that leads to a lot of these

You just made me realize something at this moment right now that I didn't put together till we started talking and this is why this is why God works this way. So yeah, come to the realization, you know what, my hunger that got me in so much trouble for wanting to be the hot shot at everything I did to spend all this money and blow all this money and do everything was because of that because I felt like I didn't have it.

“And that's why I became that person that got in trouble and went to prison.”

I never put that together till right now.

Yeah, that's awesome. No. But you know, I can tell you that every, I have a thing, right? It's like when you look at someone's level of success and not just financially and 12 pillars of success and everything health, bummer, and happiness.

It is proportional to how they're literally walk, how close they're walking to their true identity. And I always say that, man, I'm every year I get closer, right? Because I'm intentional about that, meaning every year I get closer to walking to, you know, really functioning and who God created me to be.

But that is a level of, I don't know that anyone's 100% there, right? And you know, we're all still, I had dyslexia as a kid and I was labeled stupid, probably mostly for myself. Because when you compare yourself to other kids and you can't read and you're in seventh grade, you're stupid, you know, in my mind.

I did that age. I didn't know that I had other superpowers because of the dyslexia, then I could read, you know, when I did learn to read, I could remember everything. I, yeah, stuff. It's like that.

I thought everyone could do that. Right.

But anyways, but it led to, I always say every bad behavior I had later came out of my insecurity

from that false identity, the fear of being looking stupid, right? The fear. The fear of thinking I was stupid, the fear of going back, you know, that was even if I read something aloud today, I'll get a pit in my stomach. And it's because it anchors back to that fear.

Yeah. Anyways, yeah. So we have to look at those false identities and then we, it really explains all the bad choices in our life. Yeah.

And that was probably why I've always been so worried about, well, I got to show this. I got to have this. I got to do this so that it gets the attention.

“That's why you became in the modeling industry.”

I mean, honestly, it's why you became in the fitness industry. That's why, I mean, everything, you know, paying to purpose, man, it's like it gave you purpose. Yeah. It wasn't in a bad thing.

It's like it ultimately leads you to purpose, especially when you pull God into the message. Well, I had to. And this is why I talk about the prison. I don't encourage people to go to prison to learn.

Okay. I hope. Yeah. How did you, yeah. But it can have that.

It's a positive effect. Yeah. When I was modeling, like I said, I realized, okay, this is not the life. Unless you have, unless you're like in the top one two percent, you're not going to make the proper money to live the lifestyle.

So I quickly realized that was not me. And I was spending three and four times what I was making, charging stuff and, you know, doing whatever I could to get the money, well, then I was like, okay, we got to figure something out here. I came back and I started acting and I was getting, man, I was getting days of our lives

auditions, daytime soap opera, auditions, and I was like, okay, we got a, we got a roll here. So, you know, I was doing cocaine and stuff on the side, nothing crazy, just at night. But then I was seeing, I'm very observant, right? And I've hustled my whole life and I said, okay, I can make a ton of money real fast. And not only can I pay off everything I put myself in dead in, but I'm going to be able

to roll. And I rolled for several years. And I mean, I was making millions of dollars a year and it just was gone. I was, you know, I was hot shot and everything by and everybody's drinks, buying cars, and still living in an apartment.

Yeah. You know, with nothing, just wasting it all anyway, there's no longevity in that career. Clearly, I ended up getting caught. I got a 15 year prison sentence when I was 27. For the cocaine.

For the cocaine. God. Yes. Now, by the time. Were you selling it?

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I was just, say, 15 years for you. So, okay.

No, 15 years is a large amount. Yeah. That story's, that was documentary story stuff because that is like out of a movie, the depths of what I got into. I don't want to get into all that today, but it's scary.

But the cocaine was almost necessary for the life you were living. Yeah. I mean, there's no way to have energy to do this, to do that. Still party, get up next day.

“Now, you know, I mean, it's like that's why people get addicted to it.”

Well, it allows them the life that they're living.

And I clearly lost some of the eating disorder at that point because I never gained a

pound because I didn't hate for two and three days at a time. So I could get away with eating whatever I wanted one day to catch up, never, never even touch me, not a healthy way to lose weight. Yeah. But so my parents drained every credit card they had to pay for the best attorney.

And you know, you don't understand at the time financially what you're doing. And I do now because my master's degree in finance.

That's just got to funny, right? Yeah. Yeah. So I have master's degree in finance, yeah, it's just it all correlates. So I got a sweetheart deal, which they gave you a suspended sentence because I had no

prior record. So what it means is I was convicted of a 15 year sentence suspended and they can give you that sentence back if you violate your probation two years probation.

I violated the probation in the first month.

I left the state without permission, they said, okay, we're going to give you another break. Two weeks in jail. So 15 days, I was in jail.

“You think that would have scared me and woke me up?”

Well, I did very well for about a year. I left literally one day to go to the freaking dairy queen. Came home back home was this close to home. I saw a cop telling me the whole way home, pulled me over right at front of my house. I wouldn't do anything.

He said, but you weren't supposed to leave. Well, no, I could leave, but the problem was I had a little switchblade knife that I carried in my that I bought it a, like a swat meat, it wouldn't harm a fly. It was so dull. So why was he following you?

He ran my plates and saw, you know, what I had a very tinted out, very, very, very, you know, expensive car that I kept.

Yeah, I didn't look good in Des Moines.

Iowa. Um, and so we ran my plates, probably saw my red cars. That's it. To drive it that car literally went to go get a small ice cream cone because I was smoking pot and that was hungry and left.

Okay. Follow me home, said, I'm going to search your car, I said, for what? And I said, no, and he said, I'm searching your car anyway, you know, and I can't record that at the time or whatever. And if you even get interaction with the police officer, you're in trouble, well, then

that knife was in there. It was a $25 switchblade, but I can't carry that.

“So, took me to jail, it was how could they prove it?”

I mean, anyway, I can left here because I think they'd have to find it on your person. No. It was it's just in your possession and your car doesn't matter. Took me to jail, then they kept me there.

Wouldn't let me out till I went to court, which was like 30 some days.

And they worked out a deal. I was supposed to get time served. Let me go. Well, the judge said, no, didn't take the thing. He said, you don't get it.

You're going to stay in here. He was right. Yeah. I didn't get it. For three more months, and you're going to get two more years probation.

And at that point, I was like, I don't care anymore. So when I got out, I got my ass on a plane, went to California, went up north, and I met with some people up there that ran weed farms, and I started to go back to what I was doing before. Oh my gosh.

This is after three months in jail. Yeah. And you just came back out and six months later, I got pulled. By the way, this is, I'm like sitting here, but that's the norm. Yeah.

Yeah. Once later, I got in trouble with something petty again, pulled over interaction with the cop. That's it. They said, okay, you're done.

You don't get it. And I mind you, I'm chained up, chains here and here, chains on my legs, walking in this courtroom, my mom and dad see me that way. Walking down a tunnel to get there, and it's been given a 15 year prison sentence, 28 years old.

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“Now and I, what time did you have any thought at that point?”

It's me. I got to change. No. No. I'll tell you when it hit me.

I'll explain that. So and I owe the laws are different. So your 15 years gets cut in half immediately because you get a day and a half for every

So it was seven and a half.

“Now I got, I thought I was cursed with a mandatory minimum, meaning you have to serve”

this before you can see the pro board. That saved me. That got me out really early. So what was that number that you had? So it was supposed to be a third of your setting up, but that got cut in half.

So after 18 months, I was able to see the pro board and I'll explain how that saved me.

So when I was in there, I got you go from jail, which is horrible because you never

get to go outside to this holding facility. Well guess what? They tell you you're in 20 hours a day and you get one hour out, which was a complete lie. You got 30 minutes out.

So I was in a cell with one other guy with nothing but a toilet and like, I don't even know, maybe 50 square feet on a mat this thick. And all you have to do is land your back and start the ceiling all day and do nothing. The only books in there to read were from 1880 to 1905. So I read a book on Christopher Columbus that looked like my great, great-grandmother wrote

it. There's five pages missing for toilet paper. Yeah. Well of here, you could only shower three days a week and then it was five minutes and they were yelling at you to get out and get back in your bunk.

You ate at six thirty in the morning, ten thirty and three o'clock and that was it. And you don't even want to know what I was given to eat. So from there, I went to the second facility and that was a little more open. You got to go outside once a day for thirty minutes and walk in this little circle with all these chains around you and oddly, that was probably like, wow, that was great.

Yeah. Great. Then I went to the regular prison.

“The first day I get in there and imagine you have to talk to my mom for three”

weeks so they won't let you talk. The first thing I see when I go outside is a guy with a big swastika tattoo on his chest and I'm going out with the hell. Like, what is going on here? Thankfully, I went out to the basketball court.

All I had were steel tow boots, pair of jeans and a pair of shirt. That's all you get when you first get in there. And I walked out on the basketball court and played in that and I ripped it up and that got me respect like this. So thankfully that happened.

Well within two weeks, I got sent to a minimum facility and then the time really started and 18 months later because the counselors saw me every morning at four in the morning. So I was outside and they gave you a little area to go work out at 20 degrees below rain thunder lightning. I was outside.

Never missed one day in 18 months.

The counselor went to bat for me. My mom happened to know somebody that worked with the parole board. They ended up getting me out after my 18 months. I had five years parole. My parents had moved to Maui.

Fourth of July, 2011 I got out. Went to Maui. And that's when I started my life over. And when I was in there, I had this call with my mom and I was telling her, that's so bad. It's this, this and I did that all the time and she goes, Dylan, you do this every day.

And she said, do you ever think about the people that are worried about you that invested all this time and all this effort and all this belief in you? Did you ever think about how that's affecting them? And I get chills when I talk about this. I sat there and I started to cry and I had to be careful because there was people walking

around. I didn't want to see me crying. I didn't know what to say. And she said, we're mean, your dad really, that bad appearance and I broke. I broke.

And then hit me right then at that moment. I remember where I was sitting. I remember the month. I remember the year. I'll never forget it.

And that moment, that time is when I said, okay, something's got to give. Something's got to give. I was reading my Bible every day and I was praying every day, but still not where I needed to be. I was trying.

Yeah.

“But now, you know, the effort was there and I think that was the most important thing.”

Yeah. I wish, God's word, man. Yeah. You start reading it. It's going to affect anyone.

Absolutely. I was raised Catholic went through everything. I was raised Catholic and ended up in agnostic. Really? Yeah.

That's true. Yeah. Because I thought it was do's and don't. And I'm not going to do that. Yeah.

And I got into an argument with someone about Christianity or religion all of it.

And he finally said, you never even read it.

So you really are making, you don't even know what you're talking about. And so I decided to read, start reading it. And I asked someone where to start. They said the book of John and go through and I didn't even get it. I was probably, you know, half hour into this.

And I was like, no one ever told me this. It has nothing to do with about being good enough. It has everything to do with just that we can't. Yeah. It's the blood of Christ.

I was floored. That led to my salvation. Anyway. Oh, we're going to get into that. Yeah.

That's a great conversation. Yeah. When I got out, I went on this approach of, okay, what am I going to do now? How am I going to fix it? In there, I didn't have a set plan. I just knew you're going to have to depend on yourself.

And you have two felonies. No one's going to give you the time of day. So it's really up to you. Are you going to come back here like everybody else? Are you going to get some crap job that you weren't meant to do and not serve your

purpose? Or are you going to just figure this out? So eventually I got a job, which was very difficult, but you have to. And at night, every night, I always started to study like exercise science, physiology,

I was getting these emails about testosterone boosters and all this stuff. And I got so fascinated because I studied steroids a little bit because of baseball because I was so fascinated. It's one by 20. Pete Rose.

Yes.

I'm like, I started to look into it, but never really, you know, I was too busy doing what I was

doing. Well, now I got into it. And I got into these bodybuilding forums and I was learning. That's where I discovered. You started taking steroids?

Not that night. Yeah. So I was flirting about. Yeah. And so I was in these forums.

And I got. See, again, pointing at the body morphism. Yes. Right. It never ends.

Never ends. Next thing next thing. This, these guys found me that ran a big supplement company and they were seeing like how much I was posting, helping people doing all this at night.

“They said, look, do you have any kind of personality or whatever on camera?”

That's what I did. When I was partying everything at night when I, when I get home late and I was using drugs, I would film the stuff for YouTube that was like new because I was obsessed with the sports debate show. So I was making my own stuff and putting it up there.

Nobody saw it really. I said, I got some stuff and I sent it to him. They were like, OK, you got the personality.

Here's what we're going to do.

We want you to get online start talking about steroids. And we're going to introduce you to this underground stuff. It was called peptides and sarms. And I said, hey, man, wait, what year was this? 2012.

Yeah. That's the way. Yeah. I said, I don't know anything about peptides and sarms. And I'm still in the beginning phases of my real steroid knowledge.

I said, I'm kind of BS in my way through a lot of the stuff you see. We don't care. We're going to make you huge. We're going to make you huge. And I said, OK, let me make sure this is legal for me to talk about.

I just got out of trouble. So you can smart. Yeah. One step smarter. That's right.

You can talk about it. I'm not selling in. You can talk about it. There were very, very, very, very few people on YouTube talking about it. Oh, yeah.

Back then, no. I had two million subscribers in two years on YouTube. Yeah. I believe it. Yeah.

Talking about it, people, because people are always looking for an edge.

Oh, yeah. If this is healthier than steroids, easier to get, people are going to flow to it. Here's what happens. A very, very, like the worst, most toxic environment is the bodybuilding and supplement like industry.

It's so toxic. It's all very wounded people. It's bad. It really is. And again, body morphism, like it.

It's max. So bad. Well, then I became known as the sarm sky because what I found was we better stop and explain what sarms are. Yeah.

I would say most people understand peptides. Yeah. We'll still give that a little bit of definition, but explain what a sarm is because most people don't know that. Yes.

“So, I mean, I, there's a few sarms that I think are actually healthy.”

There's some that are really bad because they hit your hormones better. Yeah. There's good and bad. But what is a sarm? Androgen receptor modulator is what it stands for in simple terms in the bodybuilding

world. It's an alternative to steroids. Yeah. Because it's steroid like benefits without the side effect. Right.

So here's where the, here's where the good and the bad comes in. The good. I, well, I don't even want to say the good, the good for me at the time. I finally tried pro hormones first, which is basically a designer steroid. All that was was a legal way to buy steroids.

There were a few modifications that were actually worse for you than steroids. And then they banned pro hormones, like the government always banes everything. Right. So, the sarms come into play. I use them and I'm like, well, okay.

I just got all of these results. You're always using L, D, G. I was using, there were only three at the time I could get. Okay. MK2866, which is known as Osteran, S4, Andoran, and MK677, where the only three at the time,

MK677 is the healthier one. Well, it's not even a sarm. Yeah, it's all the sarms. Basically, it's the next closest thing to H, G, H, G, G, G, G, G, G. It's a secreticog.

And it's really a peptide kind of thing more than a sarm. Yeah, yeah, the other MK is, it works, it's more, it works as a, it's a straight sarm. The thing was this, the 677 was like four, 354, and a box of bottle nobody used it. And nobody knew how to use it. Yeah.

So, really was those two.

“And I was like, okay, I was so shredded, like diced and I remember laying there, my wife,”

who was my girlfriend at the time, took this picture of me laying on the bed. And I looked at the picture in my stomach. I had never seen anything like that. And so I was like, I'm on to something. So I became known as the sarms guy, because I started talking and discussing and learning

and everything that you could read, I read. Well, there's a twofold problem there. One, everybody thought I was trying to sell them all the time. So I was getting hate that way too. The steroid guys hated it because I was going against the grain on everything and who

knows how much money I was costing them for whatever illegal stuff they were selling. And I was cutting into supplement companies for people going towards the sarms are out. So that got me a ton of hate.

So then what happened? Well, two things. This is where sarms got the bad name. One, people had millions of dollars of pro hormone patterns. They couldn't sell anymore.

So what did they do? They had to sell those powders. Well, there was two things that happened. One company started to make sarms and sell them as supplements, which you could not do. Two, they were selling what you, they said were sarms and filling them with their pro hormone

powders. And so when people were getting hurt really badly, and all of these terrible blood panels start coming out, it made me look dumb because I'm sitting here going, well, they're not as liver talks. Not this or not that, they were filling them with pro hormone powders.

So you were taking steroids, thinking you were taking sarms. So that was the two prong, I mean, again, sarms, there's some bad ones, but it is definitely a different category than the pro hormone. Yes. Well, now, so they evolved.

Now the sarms, the new ones, they're basically steroids.

They're so strong. Yeah, like I said, that L-D-G, L-G-D, my son got on it, and I was like, oh no, I'm

“like I'm looking at it like my, I'm like, if that is not a steroids, that's what brought”

me into sarms. I started reading about it, and I'm like, oh no, yeah, this is going to end bad. And of course, he came off it, like a steroid, your body, oh yeah, he's stomping. You lose everything. Yeah.

He learned very quickly. It was like, okay, that wasn't worth it because I lost everything. You know, he was, teen, late teens. Oh, geez. Yeah.

Late teens. Because then you, so I'll explain real quickly what happens. That causes testosterone suppression and the L-G-D, I don't know if he ran 33 or 33, or 33 or 33, but 33 or 33 or 33, especially as it like, just as if not stronger than a lot of harsh steroids.

Yeah.

I think it was the other one.

Okay. So what happens for people watching if you don't know is you're, you're lootenizing hormone and you're follicle stimulating hormone crash. There's this here, yes, and that kind of controls the downstream, let go, you know, yeah. How does testosterone?

Well, when you start flooding your body like that and suppress your testosterone, your body forgets how to produce it.

“And then you have to try to kick, start it back to produce it, which is why people use”

clomid or nova dex. Yeah. People think H-C-G does that H-C-G suppressive. And a lot of people don't know the ant and increases estrogen, and it's made from women's urine.

Yeah, exactly. They, bodybuilders used it between cycles to try to keep their testosterone level levels. Yeah. H-C-G diets were huge in the 80s and 90s.

You remember? Yeah.

I mean, because they allowed people to calorie cut and still not lose muscle.

And then so therefore, because you can't just cut calories, you lose weight in the beginning and then you stop and then you get skinny fat the whole thing. Well, you'd see G, man. It was the answer. I call it a Zempick today H-C-G of the 80s and 90s.

Very good comparison. Because I said, this is going to end bad. I really like this. No way. This can end well.

You know, everyone justified lower dose. The same thing we're seeing with those M-B-A, lower dose than a lot of it ended in a territory. Yeah. It's one of those things that another thing that made a lot of people angry with me was

me going against the grain, talking about how bad H-C-G was. Yeah.

“But I am, that's why I am what I am today, which is similar to like you and our, most”

of our acquaintances discuss the realities of things and really explaining what things actually are. That's why you know, you have such a following because you're very open about what you've been through. But what you've been through allows you to be an expert in these areas.

Yeah. I mean, truly, you know, I don't know, you know, I know this surface area of Sarm's, you know, S-R-N-G-W, you know, those are the Sarm's that I've used to. Yeah. They're not even Sarm's exactly either.

But they're more in line for what we would want because we're talking about increasing B-O-2-Max. Yeah. They're actually arguably healthy. I mean, they don't damage anyone, you know.

Yeah. But again, your body can become acclimated to them and they might not be as a person. They don't work anymore. Yeah. You have to kind of move it up.

But they don't cause it, they don't touch your hormone. No. I know your hormonal, no. No. And, you know, and again, it's, it's fun to try it.

But there's people put them in the same category and then they end up reaching for these other Sarm's. That's right. And that's where things end up. And that's where marketing comes into play because they're sold and marketed to Sarm's

when in reality they're not. But in fairness, there are some things Sarm can affect your circadian rhythm and it can throw it off. Yeah. And certainly can.

But what I learned over this time period was this is so toxic. There's so much hate no matter what you do or you teach. These people like I'm, I'm, once again, something I'm not. But I found a niche and I got popular and I got big and I was, listen, I was convincing myself.

Really, this is like the next addiction. Well, listen to what I did. I convinced myself that I was doing something really good because what I was doing was I

They're still damaging. They're still hurting people. I told myself, well, you're helping people, you know, live still live longer when they use these and do this when the reality should have just been saying, don't use them at all. Yeah.

Ever. And I damaged myself in the process. Yeah. I didn't use them long, but I used them long enough to probably where I developed some of the heart condition I found on myself and also putting myself on TRT needlessly.

Yeah. You know, and I'm not a, I'm living another life once again that I'm not and again, the false identity. Yes. Yeah.

You were still living trying to figure out who God created you to be.

“See, again, that's why false identities lead to these problems because you're trying”

to be something that God didn't create you to be.

It's never, you're never going to be happy fulfilled or really functioning your true

purpose. That's right. Well, still not anywhere near what I'm supposed to be. So my YouTube channel gets shut down because all these people are attacking me and trying to get it shut down.

So I just start from scratch again, and two million plus followers all the year. And you know, anybody that runs YouTube, hey, you know how hard it is to get like 10,000 subscribers. I'm YouTube is harder than other channels. Any.

And then I said, okay, I'm going to regroup and I'm going to restart this. Like 2017, three years to 2020, Reeve started to rebuild and got to about a hundred thousand again. What do you think happened again? I got shut down for what this time.

I wasn't talking anything COVID related. They were just doing sweeps of people that were pushing the envelope on other stuff. Yeah. Shut down again. So I once again, and dude, you know how much money you could make with a lot of subscribers.

I was making damn their six figures a month. I was crippled at that point. And I was like, man, I don't know what to do anymore, because I can't keep doing this. This is too risky. I have a family.

“And I'm not really doing my purpose here.”

So I got married somewhere along the road. Yeah, in 2015, so when I met my wife, so when I got on a prison, I didn't date anybody or anything. The whole year I was on parole. Like cut me off four years early, because I just didn't do anything.

I worked and I went to the beach on my days off. And then I studied. That's all I did, man. And so my wife was a manager, safe when I went in there every day to try to get something and healthy to eat for lunch when I was at work.

Well, then, well, I saw her staring at me all the time and, you know, everything. Well, when I got a parole, I went to the florist and I said, hey, I want you to leave some flowers for that girl over there and send her this note. And that's how I met her. And from there, I mean, she was with me, brother, from I had nothing.

I was living in my mom's basement. So she's been with me the whole time dedicated. And she was the polar opposite of me.

Never did anything wrong.

Never smoked, never drank, never did a thing. You needed that balance. That was God's gift to me because I also opened her up and gave her things in her life. She never had she was from the Philippines. The story she'll tell me about like having to use the bathroom outside, having nothing.

But she balanced me and fixed me and corrected me. That's all. And so we got married in 2015. Now, I've got her kids, or my kids, basically, they call me dad. I love them.

I take care of them. I got a family, man. And then my dad passed away in the midst of all this and I'm an only child. So I bring my mom and start taking care of her. I got a lot of responsibility.

A lot of people relying on me and I owe my mom. You do. I owe my owe your mom. Yeah. And I owe my dad.

Yeah, of course. To take care of her. Yeah. They dumped money on you, man. Well, you were a bad, bad back then.

I was the worst bet known to man, but they never gave up.

So I started to build my Instagram in 2020, said, OK, I'm going to throw her out here. I'll make some YouTube videos. Let's do this route. Let's go this route. So I built my Instagram heavy.

I mean, I got millions of followers now. I got invited to speak at the Mr. Olympia 50th anniversary with 50th anniversary. Was that 2004? No, just missed now. It was two years ago.

No, 20th. What are we? 2024. OK. Yeah.

OK, 2024. That's when I got to speak there. OK. So I go there. I'm invited to speak, which already is huge for me.

Because it's all people with 50 letters after their name and me. Yeah. So that alone, I was like, oh, my, but you were invited into the heart of dysmorphids. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

Doug Avall man, the heart of insecurity. But they want me to go there to speak about all the stuff I'm talking about now, nutrition, hormones, everything. And I'm like, oh, my gosh. Sarms.

No. I'm trying to get away from that, but peptides. And I was on anti-aging panels and all these reputable doctors and really big names. And then they said, well, we got another opportunity. Thank you for you.

“Do you know who Monica Brandis, she's a forumist Olympia?”

I said, not really, but they wanted to enter me. So then I got invited to sit there and be her co-host on her podcast at a booth. Well, when I tore the house down when I spoke and the interactions and I put the clips

Well, then on her podcast, she was being sponsored by a company called Stamory Jen.

“And they came and watched me say, I'm Stamory.”

There's a Stamory Jen. Yeah. Because it's Stamory Jen. So Christian the owner. Christian.

Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to have him on. Yeah. So he was there.

Ryan Riley was there. His like CEO, they were watching me speak and checked me out and I got really close with them. Well, I realized they're in this thing called biohacking. What the hell was this?

Well, when I got home, I was all pumping. I got all these context. I got, dude, I got stacks of cards and contexts to start working on. Dude, I got COVID right when I got home. It was probably from the event or the plane.

I went to the gym and I told my wife, I said, I have something's off. I went and got a COVID test boom. Next day, I couldn't even move. And I am sitting there going, okay, God, normally I pout and I don't understand what's going on here.

Because this is right about the time I'm shipped and they're really being God first, too.

And I'm saying, okay, I'm going to trust you for once in my life because I never do.

I think I'm so faithful, but I know faith and trust are two different things. Yeah, exactly. You can believe all day long. Yeah. But when the shit hits the fan, do you trust?

Yeah, trust is the real relationship. Yeah, trust is faith. So for the first time, I'm going to trust you. And I was laying in bed and I said, you know what, I got nothing else to do. I'm going to start research and STEM region and biohacking.

And within like 20 minutes, I realized, this is what I've meant to do my whole life. Everything I stand for, everything I believe in, everything that I research that I love, it's right here. So you're went through, yeah, and now you're, it puts you into the healthy version of optimization.

Yes, hormone optimization, you know, physical optimization, aging optimization, you know,

“and that's how you ended up in this world.”

That is it. You did a great job of bringing us through that. But what I want to hear a little more about is your salvation, because, you know, coming to Christics, you know, is that that's a whole, another thing. I'm surprised it didn't happen in jail, although I think you said, it started.

It's, that's where it's starting, right? Because you did say that's where you started reading the word. But would you have called, did you, you know, would you have called yourself a believer at that moment? I mean, I mean, did you have a transformation in jail after jail, when did all that happen?

I've been a believer my whole life, but have I been a God first individual where that was my main priority where my life was turned over to him and given to him and trust it. It's interesting because I was, I wasn't a believer.

I was called myself an agnostic, and I always say they're looking back on my life, gosh,

even when I hated him, he loved me. It's like it's true. It's like, and I use the word hate because there's a biblical reason I would say that. But anyway, the bottom line is, is that you, on the other hand, would have said you had belief.

You were living again, true salvation Christianity isn't about do's and don'ts. However, when I became a Christian, and again, I would never become a Christian, even know my older sister would talk to me about that. And I would tell her, I'm not going to stop the bo-bo-bo-bo-bo-bo, so therefore I'm not a hypocrite.

I'm not going to do it. Because in my mind, it was about do's and don'ts, right?

“That's why when I read it, and I said, no one told me this.”

My sister should have said, first of all, no, no, no, no, it's about the truth, you know, he died for our sins. When I became a Christian, all of a sudden, the things that I said I would never give up, I didn't make one attempt, I'm saying, okay, now I'm a Christian, I have to try to be different. Didn't happen like that.

He changed me. He changed me. Yes. I'm tired. He changed my heart.

My girlfriend and not, she's my wife now. We were living together at the time, okay, and I, we were having sex. So I would have said sex was an addiction to my life, okay, and we were having sex and we're living together in all of a sudden, I'm like, I can't do this anymore. I remember.

She sat there. She cried, because we knew it was a separation. She was already a believer, like you, but you know, I was kind of going in this direction now, going like, what are we doing? God changed my heart and changed my desires, right, and it's like in a couple areas that

I realize at that moment, it's not about trying to be good enough. It changes our heart. Yes. Anyway, so I say all that to say this. So you were saying your believer, but yet your life wasn't changing now.

So I would be like, okay, you had a knowledge, but maybe you weren't, here's the truly convert, here's how bad it was. I would go, I, I was, I usually go to mass on Saturdays, because I'm getting up on Sundays.

So I would go at 430 mass, and I would always go up there and say my prayers after mass

for a long time. Toss his post jail. This is before. And I would sit there and do it like a long in detail prayer, but I didn't do it throughout the week like that.

I would do it there. And I would leave mass, and I would go directly to the grocery store, get my bottle

and getting ready.

“Like that's how bad it was that I thought I was going there, apologizing for sins, and”

then literally leaving within 30 minutes, and going home and doing all that. And my mom was just, you know, this is a, this is a half, like, you know, you know, you could justify that a bit in the sense that, well, you know, I'm going to do this or that to cover the sins. You, you, you can, but potentially make yourself believe that, but you're just lying to

yourself. I don't, of course. Yeah, but I mean, it's one of the things I, it's eight. One of the misinterpretations and understandings that so many people have when it comes to anything religion.

Yeah, I agree. I mean, so I was on vacation in Florida, and I was sitting out.

It was about 130 in the morning, because I always have to have night time alone.

My wife always goes to bed without me, because I normally read or study at night. And I was sitting out on this, like patio I had, and I was sitting there, and I don't know what happened right then and there. Something hit me different. And I was kind of just gazing, and I was kind of, I was listening to the, like, stone

table pilots, and I was listening to them outside, and I stopped, and I'd loose looking at the sky and something. And I, and I always pray a lot when I'm in the ocean, like when I go on vacation, I kind of tend to say more prayers. And something hit me right then and there, and I can't even explain to you what it was.

And I was looking and something lit up a little bit brighter in the sky than it normally did, and maybe I, you know, who knows when you say that.

“But I, I said, what is, what is it, what is it, what am I missing?”

And from that moment, everything started to click. Everything in my life changed where I started to get closer to God. I had a greater desire. I literally read the entire New Testament, and I bought a study Bible. I read six months, I read the whole New Testament after that when I got home.

I, in and data. But now a moment that changed, did you invite God into your heart differently? Did you confess something to him? Did you do so? Like, what?

I don't know that I confessing things, something just said, everything that you've had that was missing is now right. Because damn, man, like, I had a lot of money, a nice house, a beautiful wife, every car, a collected Jordan's, I had hundreds of pairs of Jordan, everything. I have an arcade machine.

Am I, like, all of this stuff. And every night I go to bed, I look at her, and I look around me and I'd be like, why do I feel good? And I'm like, why do I still, like, bad? How could I feel bad?

I feel like I have everything I want. I just kept buying things and spending money and things, and that it hit me right then and there. This is why you feel bad. And you know what?

I don't feel bad anymore.

Sometimes I'm tired and stressed, but I never go to bed, like, something's wrong or

missing because it's not because everything that I needed was right in front of my face waiting for me the whole time. So you then this point started then, God was drawing you closer to him. Absolutely. And, uh, absolutely.

Was your mother a believer or father? Oh, my mom is hardcore. Yeah, okay. Because it was her prayers, but he's there. And for her is.

Okay. So you start walking with the Lord closer because now he puts a desire in your heart to dig in and so what happened then? So that's when things started to open up for me. Because then start, things started to come to the realization.

“This is kind of what you need to be doing and things started falling into place for me.”

It was never this guy that was like, I have to find my purpose.

But once I started to understand what the Holy Spirit really was, what discernment actually meant and I could like, in my mind, understand what I actually had inside of me. Because I didn't understand. I never took the time to understand when you hear something, you think you hear a voice in your head telling you it's good or bad or right or wrong.

It's the Holy Spirit trying to tell you, dude, listen, listen at every time that I would try to convince myself that, oh, this is okay, knowing in my heart, it wasn't something bad happened. Now every single, it's kind of like when I used to gamble and I'd be like, that doesn't seem right even though everybody's telling me to go that way, I'm going to go the other

way. It'll lose every time. So I listen and I listen and I listen and now everything I do, everything that I do right now is the Holy Spirit driven, I have turned down what people will call crazy amounts of money recently because something was telling me, this is not good.

He's given me everything I need. I know that I don't have to worry about it anymore. So now you're walking with him. Yes. Back then, you were walking very against an absolutely right, absolutely right.

Yeah, a prodigal son, if you will, meaning, you know, it's like this kid, he had everything, he walked away, he was rebellious, and then he came back to that other. Like you know what, so I always say, oh, well, prison hadn't happened to me that I wouldn't be here and if this hadn't happened to me, it wouldn't be here. So on 2023, I did some work with a doctor and he said, everybody that works with me,

I haven't go get a calcium score. Because I mean, I do 15 miles a day of cardio, I'm in the gym another hour and a half. I eat this certain way, which I'm going to talk to you about after this story. And I went to get a calcium score and my dad had a heart attack at 59, and my calcium

You mean it, so what should it be? Zero. Yeah. At that age, so it'd be zero.

“Now, a calcium score won't show you soft plaque, so even if you have a zero score,”

potentially you could have soft plaque, then it's not recognizing, and that's like, in a calcium, they're not measuring your blood calcium, they look at calcium in the arteriose. Yes, calcified plaque. And so I panicked because I had a little bit of an understanding, well, I come to find out I had an elevated LP little lay 300 to some.

You can't control that by diet and exercise, that's a genetic thing. So I dig and learn about that. Well, what happens is I study cardiology now. I'm, I'm digging and talking to everybody and getting my hands on it.

And I'm talking to everybody, Dr. Gundry, regular doctor, should never heard of anybody

that I can get in front of, that'll listen to me. And so I made that one of my big topics of discussion. And I figured out how to reverse plaque and do things. And then I ended up recently with a low ejection fraction, well, I figured out how to fix this and do this and understanding what's causing it was likely steroid use, combination

of steroid use, cocaine, thing I'll be hit at. So you did a lot. Yes. I'm understanding now that we can not only fix this, but teaching people how to do it. But I will argue the low fat diet had something to do with this.

Still.

“But I've been able to now, I've had several, like, so many tests done.”

I got my, my ejection fraction up 7% in four months. I've been able to reverse so much plaque LP little lace dropped hundreds where they told me you can't drop it at all. My point in saying this is that these things happen to me and I caught them early enough so I could help people and teach them about all the nonsensical information.

It's right. But you understanding that those were actually gifts to me because I needed those things to happen. Every hard thing that happened, I mean, I needed to happen. Yes.

God is that good. When you understand that it was a gift not a curse. Absolutely. Everything adds up. Our perception becomes our reality if you're still living.

It was a curse and too bad from, you know, I, everything, everyone else's fault, not your fault. Right. You started this whole show by saying, okay, first of all, I'm going to take responsibility every day having my life I caused.

Yes. But, you know, when there's people that are still blaming, listen, I only did because of my father, I, um, one of my past producers, him and his sister. She had drug problems, different addictions, et cetera, et cetera, different problems. If you asked her, how did you end up here?

She blamed the father. Yeah.

Him, he has all the success in his life, incredible human that I know.

You know, so what was it, you know, what made you who you are, man, because as I asked him the question, he's like, oh, my father, you know, absolutely, he's like, but my sister would tell you the opposite. My point is is that raised by the same father, same father, one blames him and one that create gives him creative for the success.

Our perceptions are reality. He perceived this, my father had some issues, don't know, however, he looked at the positive. She looked at the negative. That goes back to one of my mom said, we're me and your dad really, that better

parents. Yeah. And I broke. But I didn't tell you what I said. I made all these decisions by myself, he couldn't have done any more for me than you

possibly did. I said, don't you ever say that to me again?

I tried to never talk back to my mom, but I told her then don't ever say that again

or think that. You know, I want to see your face when I tell you this, because I told the story to Ben, Azadi, Dave, Osprey and Dave's face was like, I mean, he was like, mortified, but then told me how great of what I ended up doing. So I told you kind of my training, obviously eating disorder heavy training over training,

10 to 15 miles a day, five days a week, then the gym and other, I don't know, hour, hour and a half of weight lifting. You would think and imagine that at that kind of output, you need a lot of intake to keep up. Yeah.

I was eating for about after I got out of prison, this started. I was eating good days, 1800 calories a day, bad days, 1800. I'm supposed to be eating 3,500 to 4,000 terrified of fat. Here's what I ate all day. My wife would cook every single day about 15 servings of vegetables, peppers, onions, mushrooms,

zucchini, stuff that would make me feel full throughout the day and I'd snack on it all day long. So I was eating that much per day, Greek yogurt, low fat, no fat, non fat, non fat, protein powder, egg whites, no egg yolks ever. And if an egg yolk even dripped out of it, I'd panic and start scooping it out.

No, it's just horrible and oatmeal. Okay, then everybody's like, God created an egg, you're perfectly the way I am, okay. Well, you see, nothing makes sense. Don't make any depressed, yeah. And then peanut butter was the only source of fat or a quest bar, which had very what

five, six grams of fat. That is, that is the basis of what I ate. Starving your brain needs that fat, your cell membranes, your hormones.

“How productive can you be first of all during the day?”

Yeah. I mean, my gosh, it made me get into back on Coke just to get through a day. Every 30 minutes, I'm kind of getting up and walking around.

once again. Yeah.

“The fear of, really, the fear is not looking the way you think you should look because”

that's who you are. That's what gives you all the attention. Yeah. I mean, that's it. So you can imagine the pain and suffering my wife's going to.

We never eat out. I don't eat alone, I don't eat with her ever ever. I mean, how long did you do that? 14, 1800 calories on the, I mean, how long did that last before you, almost 10, 12 years? What?

Because when I first got out, like when we were in Maui, I was still eating chicken and

like some fish and stuff and different things, too. No, I was in corporate. Well, then I got to that point and I swear to you, I started watching some people I highly respect and I'm a nutritionist for 15 years. And I'm teaching people eat fats and stuff and coach and body waters, no, because

I was different because if I did it, it wasn't going to work because I was different. Yeah. You knew your body. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

I know my body. So I watched several people that you and I respect and I was listening to them and listening to how they were eating. And I finally finally said, you know what, because I'm one of those snap might, if you knew me, I'll buy a car on the drop of a dime, I'll do this on a drop of a dime, I'll

hop on a plant. I went into the kitchen one day and I said, babe, I said, okay, I need to talk to you. And so she knows when I say that normally it's something with work or money or something we're going to go do. We're going to try something new today.

And I wouldn't touch any of the foods I'm about to write a lot of you.

I said, I'm going to make you list you and I are going to go together because she always

wants my time and it's hard for me and I don't give her enough of that either. We're going to go together with Sherry. I could see lit up. We're going to go to Whole Foods and here's a list of stuff that I'm going to start eating.

Because in my head, I said, you know what, I know how to lose weight. If I gain a bunch of weight, I'll lose it like this. I'll be fine. We're going to buy. So you were still not, I mean, you were still convinced that these foods could cause

you to gain weight. Oh, yeah. But what made you say, you needed them? I couldn't take it anymore. I knew at that point, if I'm going to be productive with all these opportunities,

something else has to change because I can't be focused. That's what I was going to say. You had to have some type of symptom that you thought, so you couldn't stay focused because the drain of the fat, to be honest with you, it was just God putting this in front of my face.

“You have to make that change because I just woke up one day and said, I'm, because I had”

been watching stuff for months about, you know, do this, do this, do this, do the reality of the, okay. I just woke up and said, I have to do it. We're talking other people to do it. Yeah.

We're going to go get, I'm going to try grass fed beef. We're going to try salmon, which I hate. Eggs for whole, do I hate salmon or am I convinced I don't like? Yeah, yeah. Avocados.

Am I convinced I don't like it? Didn't even taste it. And now you hate the fatty idea of it. Every single food that I eat to this day is like based around healthy fats. Yeah, that's awesome.

You know how pissed off I am that I have not been cooking in grass fed butter for months. That's what's our core intake today on right, not today. You mean now on my good days about 3,000. Okay, that's normal. Yeah, but I, I went from about 25 grams of fat to 135.

Yeah, that exactly right over 200 grams of protein. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not Mr. Keto or low carb. I probably need more carbs. I do about 110, 100 and 50. Well, see, I'm a, I, I, I teach died variation.

Me, you know, moving it out. I, I go into keto period, I go into high carb healthy diet. Yeah, that's good. That's what I said. Yeah, I try to mimic ancestral living.

“Yeah, honestly, it's like they were moved in and out of different, because there's a benefit”

eating, you know, very high fat low carb and there's a benefit eating high carbs, healthy carbs. Is right? So I appreciate that. Well, what the term metabolic flexibility, how do you obtain flexibility if you're

not flex? Absolutely. Yeah. And that's why died variation. It also creates diversity in the microbiome.

Yeah. So there's a lot of reasons for that. I don't want to hijack this story because there's so many learning here, right? So, all right. So now, how long have you been on this?

So, you know, I have really balanced to eat. I had to ease into it. So I, I, I, I was, I was weighing everything out real particular. So I was doing like 80 grams of, of course you're, oh, yeah, course you're. 80 grams.

I know who you are. Of course you're doing that. I started off at 80 grams of avocado, okay, which is not a lot, it's a very small medium one. And I was like, okay, I'm going to eat bread again.

So I have to have a zucyl toast, just zucyl toast. And then, okay, I'm going to have six egg whites. Can I look at yourself in the mirror and my game? Oh, I was. I was six egg whites, but I'm going to have a couple whole eggs now, okay, couple.

Let's try some salmon.

I was always like, I eased in with cod first, low fat fish.

Yeah. Okay, I'm going to try this salmon because I, I really, I really didn't care for the taste that much, but maybe it was because I thought I didn't. Yeah. And I ate one and I was like, geez, like this is so good.

Yeah. After a few weeks, your brain starts coming on guy, okay.

Then I met. Ooh, butter. Well, and then I started to fat there. Well, yeah. That was a big step.

The SCT oil as opposed to MCT because I was researching, okay, the CLA and this, it's going to help me get energy burn. I'm going to get a little like acid helps you burn fat, yeah. So I test this out. And I was watching the calories then, okay, pretty, pretty tight, 22, 23, 24.

I'm going. I kept telling my wife, I said, um, have I, do I look different to you because I feel

“like I haven't been this cut since I used steroids?”

And I haven't felt this good in a very long time. Let's kind of check my blood work, though, and see how that's looking. HGL is normally like 40 for me. It was up to 50, son. Yeah.

Even 80 would be better. Higher than what? Well, I'm going to get there. Yeah. I'm going to get there.

And I go, okay. I think I'm going to eat more. Let's try a little more. And I kept testing it, testing it, testing it, testing it. And now I'm eating like 200 grams of avocados, four whole eggs.

I'm having at least about three quarters of pound of ground, like grass fed beef or then I started trying elk. I tried Venice. I went down the line. Yeah.

And I had everything. And I was like, huh, ground pork, huh, huh. And I'm happy. Like I'm not fighting. It's working better.

And I'm leaner. Oh, dude. Yeah. So I was like, like, when I traveled, my wife packs me out. But by the way, you were getting skinny fat, you know, meaning you were losing muscle.

Yeah, terrible. And you had, you know, your body was holding on to fat. But when you started feeding it, you start gaining muscle without even lifting. But I was really lifting. But and then you started cutting into your face.

Yeah. And you know what else? I realized I was eating like nothing but carbs all day and nothing else. Yeah. Nothing.

It was like strength carbs. Exactly. Because you're afraid. Well, then I was having all that oatmeal. You know what I mean?

And like just loading it with protein powder. You actually had higher insulin glucose levels. Terrible. Yeah. And you're avoiding all the things that were actually would have controlled your insulin

glucose. And insulin glucose is a faster way to age and a faster way to fat. Not only that, but I was eating it late at night too because I was up so late, you know, studying. So I was eating two to three servings of oatmeal with peanut butter and protein powder

like two in the morning. You know, I hope this show makes it to there's so many of you out there. Yeah. You know, it's like there's so many.

“And I think social media even creates more of you.”

And you broke through this and I hope this show makes it to people because people will identify with this and maybe you better share the show because you know these people, right? Very disciplined, right? You know, they're very disciplined people.

They're the ones that are always at the gym, right?

They're the ones that, you know, I mean, you can kind of spot them. But we lie to ourselves. Absolutely. And I have been lying to myself for so long. The reason that I got the platform that I did was for me to get gas on that needed to

be heard. And that's why he's grown so fast. But it was also for me to get out and get people closer to God and to understand all of these things that I've gone through. We every single human, I don't care how glorious they make themselves look.

I don't care how much money they have. I don't care. They all have issues. Everybody has an issue and we're all the same because everyone's functioning in false identities to some degree.

That's right. The level of the level that you're functioning closest to your true identity, I who've got created you to be, is the level of life's pretty easy for you know, they're successful. They're happy and everything works out. They're relationships work out.

You're functioning preclosed to your true identity. Yeah. If that's you. But if you're lying to yourself and it's this and it's not, and it says, yeah, you're probably way off your try to.

There's a lot of brilliant people out there that do podcasts that do videos that do this and do that. I am brilliant because of who I associate myself with and who I learn from. But you're also a brand because of what you went through.

But I also understand that you can never know too much.

You can always know too little and I keep it as real. Look, you can't come to me and say that, oh, he's on this side or that side or talks this or that. There is nobody out there. I will say this for myself that you're going to get a real or story from or truth

from because I just don't care. I just do not care. All I care about is what God put me here to do and make an impact. I was meant to make because I will tell you this, Dan, I have more value on time than anybody could ever imagine.

I have lost time that I can't get back. But I value the time that I lost because it built me into who I am. But it took away from a lot of things. There's consequences, right?

“But ultimately, if you choose correctly and I hope people are hearing this, right?”

If you choose correctly and take full responsibility where we start this conversation, God will work with you at that point. Otherwise, you're just going to keep letting you another, we'll give you two more years in jail. We'll give you three, four, five, because he loves you that much.

That's right. But the moment you say, okay, God, I'm going to do it your way, right?

It's what David had to do in the Bible, so it's all never did.

You know, he wanted to do it, it's all his way. Yeah. And the moment we say, okay, Lord, it's you now. All of a sudden, your life changes and I hope people hear that. Well, and it is taking responsibility, you know, in the Bible, most of the people that

were chosen to do the best work, where the ones that were the most wrong and what they were living and what they were doing and we're making the most mistakes. Yeah. And those are the ones that were chosen for a reason. Yeah.

Absolutely. And that's one of the things that I also had to learn, see, the Bible is so misinterpreted because people take verbs, verbiages and words and they take them for what they want.

And when I was reading it first, I go, you know, I'm learning a lot, but it kind of always

just goes back to love and it goes back to love and I'm like, okay, I need more love, but it's like when you watch a movie 10 times. But people focus on the love part of God, but they also forget his judgment. That's right. He's both.

Yeah. Good father. A good father. It loves, right? Discipline.

“And that's how you ended up in jail, son, that's right.”

But once you realize the depth of what's being written in there and you can look through and you read it 10 times and learn something 10 times differently and new, it's when you watch a movie 20 times that your favorite movie go, how the hell do I miss that? When I read and then I think just like today, something hit me, talking to you for a reason. But you have to go back and you have to spend that time.

It's like Michael Jordan then stopped shooting shots. He practiced more. You have to re-educate yourself daily and you have to give yourself, you basically sacrifice some of yourself to God to get out what he wants you to get out. It's not sacrificed to me though, just like today when I was driving here, and I spent so

much time in prayer in the last day or two, I've been lacking and I wondered why I was such dick yesterday. It was because I didn't pray enough yesterday. You know, that's the part of me that I need that to function and to deliver the message that I'm trying to deliver with you and deliver to people.

I am, it might have a million followers. I might have a high this rated that or that, I am literally just another dude. You know what I mean? Just like we all are that just wants to make a difference.

I know a lot of different things that I help people with, but I think the most important

is to give people inspiration, hope, and belief in that they can do. I agree. Because people out there are right now are in pain for different. And maybe it's a relationship, maybe it's a health condition, maybe it's something addiction, whatever.

“But the fact is, is inviting God into that, the purpose will come.”

That's it. That's how you find your purpose. That is. Exactly. That's why.

Look, I focus on the stories. I love the stories. I love the teacher around the stories because in the stories is where the truth really is. We can sit here and talk about facts and nutrition and that. It's like, but really, it's the stories that change our lives.

It's the pain of the purpose, right? And people are in pain. I know. And it's like, I've been there in so many different ways in my life that I can tell you that I needed everyone we both said that.

All right. I promise this is the top of the share of the talk about peptides a little bit. We talked about sarms, most of the people don't know about sarms. Before we leave that in enter in the peptides, what are the healthy sarms? Okay.

And should anyone try any of them or should you? We just not.

I know I was always a sarms guy and I did this whole thing and I didn't.

Most sarms are really bad. Yeah. I had, you know, I was paid to market and do stuff. So I did have an interest in it and I wonder if that played a role in me. But I also go back to ban.

I used these these are great. In reality, over time, what I've come to really learn and understand is one, you may be getting a sarm from that says it's pure or not, but they've changed over time and how they're made and how they're tested. And I don't feel that any of them are truly safe at this point because you're still

have potential damage to the liver, not as extensive as a steroids. See, my whole thing when I'd say they were safe was it was in comparison to something that's very uns. If you take it and sit it down like you and I both know just one glass of alcohol is damaging, right?

So one cycle of these is damaging.

“Is it irreversible, not necessarily, but is it good?”

No. Yeah. I mean, I would argue one glass, I could be very damaging to someone who's had an alcoholic problem. I agree.

Yeah. I'm very sensitive. That's why they can't even go to bars. Yeah. One glass to someone who's healthy, I mean, arguably, you know, hormesis, right?

Yeah. They can actually deal with it tolerate it and it's actually could potentially be good for them and they're drinking wine. But to your point, though, okay, so Psalms, they can be contaminated, there's problems with Psalms.

What about something? Because a lot of people take GWSR, I've tried them and they're not really Psalms. Yeah. Are those okay? Once again.

So like the GW said, there's that cancer study that was done on rodents and there's

you know how this works with studies and everything?

“Have I ever had a direct sense of does this actually cause cancer?”

No. But do I also have a sense that if you have like, if you're prone to it or you have some cancer cells that it could elevate the growth potential, a lot of things could, yeah, you're right. Certainly.

So that's something to take into consideration with the SR, it has it been studied long enough for for what you and I would like probably not long term. Do I see a lot of good potential there sure I do because there's like it's, so it was like an exercise, mathematics. So you don't have to work out when you take it and still lose weight.

Does it have potential benefits for your metabolism and flexibility? Yes. Can it increase your endurance? It might a congeal by a genus. Yeah.

We make more mitochondria. Yes. But are there better ways? Yeah. Exactly.

I mean just yes. Exercise in general. Right. Could you take your Lithania for mitochondria? Could you take other things that we know that are beneficial?

I would much rather go that route. So I know this is an answer to the question. It's going against the grain of what I used to teach for all these years, but I'm man enough to admit where I may have been wrong. Yeah.

Exactly. I think that's a good answer. Okay. So let's move into peptides. Yeah.

Yeah. So again, healthy ones.

“Let's start by explaining to Nubies what is a peptide?”

I mean, it's just, you know, the amino acid. I mean, then I'll actually when I started in 2012 and I discovered these research chemical companies, which we can certainly dive into if you want me to explain that. But you could only select, I believe it was eight or nine.

And they're all like growth hormone, growth hormone releasing peptides or releasing hormones. So the same ones you see now, Ipa Moralyn, CJC, 1295. Yeah. Those are growth hormone growth hormones. Yes.

Yeah. The GHR, the GHRP2 and 6. I'm going to be able to say, I took, I tried those and I didn't really notice much in for the expense. No.

I mean, all those are really, so GHRP6 can help you eat a lot. So you could gain some size like for bodybuilders, they like that one. Those are really just helping you release growth hormone as opposed to taking exogenous growth hormone. Yeah.

It doesn't shut your body's input out. No. No. Just helps you produce more. I mean, I do think there's a relatively safe, but I don't know that it's worth it for

the money. That's the money. I think Ipa Moralyn and CJC, they have their place. So I used Milan and Tantu as the first one I ever used. Yeah.

My son used that.

I could never use it and I'll tell you why because I get dark spots, right?

And then late, dark spots, dark spots. Yeah. So, but he took it, man. He was purple, bro. I was living in Maui and you were your purple.

I was so embarrassed that I had to stay home because I got so dark. Because back then you were told you take this, then you go out in the sun. And when I went out in the sun then I was laying out an hour because I mean, I didn't have anything to do. That was my joy.

You know, and it made me very nauseous every time I took it even at very low doses. I would throw up a lot or be so sick to my stomach that, you know, now, libito increased was very drastic, which was nice at the time, but I didn't care for it, but that was about it back then. Now there's thousands and it's something for everything.

Yeah, I know. You know? Yeah. I mean, in the peptide. Yeah.

Again, the ones that I still take because people want to know, I can't help take BPC. C157. If I have an injury. I know. But I just injected my donor.

Similar. TB500 is a very safe, it helps your body recover. I've taken others, my brain's spinning right now on some of the other ones I've taken, but yeah. I mean, I think that there's some better ones and some bad.

What are some bad ones that will stay away? One thing I'll say is this. I can sit here and talk to you about hundreds of peptides that I'm first on, but most people you can only get like X amount, actually prescribe legally, you know, these are it.

By the way, Psalms, peptide. They're in this gray zone. Yeah, very gray. Yeah. Like meaning, it's not like illegal.

“You have to go to these websites that kind of sell them for experimental antile”

experimental only. Right. It's like, they allow you to get them. Yeah. Because I think they like the feedback.

I think it's like a way of testing. It is. Yeah. So they're called research chemicals and they have to say not for human consumption, because if they marketed any other way, it's illegal.

The problem is, is all these peptides we'll talk about right now.

You can't really get them prescribed. You have to go that route. I know. Yeah. So you don't have a choice.

Now, I'm privy to the information on where to go and where to go and where to not go. Because there's like new ones popping up left and right and half of these places don't test them. Yeah. And anyway, so you ask some of the bad ones.

I think the first way everybody's going to go in terms of a bad one is to just go straight to GOP ones. Now, are they bad? Yeah, it's a peptide, very debatable topic on how bad they are because you got one side of the fence that has no fence, but I'm surprised you didn't get into GOP one.

Yeah. I mean, I'm to that's, yeah. You know, I could have you. Not very anymore. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah. Yeah. I guess it wasn't even popular when you were into that spell, yes. Yeah. I, when it was you to take and one of the things that it was you to take, you know, but

beyond us with you, one of the things I've been pretty good about is not taking stuff to lose weight.

I've always been scared, especially when I found out about my heart.

So that was kind of the time they got fear drives you man. Yes, I know. Right? Maybe someone like I did everybody. But okay, so let's, let's walk down the line here.

So you got your first one was those Zempick Semiglutei. That's like little brother, right? Yeah. And what problems do you, I can tell the problem is that they already know the problems I have with it.

But what problems do you have with it? Well, I mean, I just think it's crap to all the way around.

“I think there's, I think there's so much misuse and people that don't understand.”

How to use it. And I think there's so many negatives that go along with it. Is there potentially good benefit to using it? Yeah. I am willing to say if someone's like, you know, obese as massive glucose issues, they could

die at any time from, call me and GLP could save their lives. Yeah.

So I'm not like saying there's never, you know, but it's, it's just like anything else.

Use it properly or don't use it. This wasn't even designed for weight loss. You're right. Right. It was, oh, yeah.

They say that. That's why all these lawsuits. You know, it's like, there's blindness, they're like, well, wait, hold on a second. Yeah. We've never developed it.

Well, that's it. So I use Jardians for my injection fraction. It's not even wasn't designed for that. But actually found that benefit with it. It works well for me.

And I don't have to take the hard core stuff. But back to the GOP ones, these weren't designed for this purpose. They found this out later through like testing.

“And these are for people that have a diabetic issue, right?”

So this one was the first one. So then what happens? Well, they develop something better, right? So it sure shows up inside. It's better.

It's got less side effects, maybe more effective, but still problems. So now what we develop right a true child, which is still in their last phase of studies, but everybody uses it. It's by far the superior one. It's been, it's like we go through this phase of, okay, we found something, but it's

all messed up. We're going to fix it, make it a little better. Now we're going to make it really better. So bread a true child so far is showing to be a lot safer. Is it?

I don't know because I need more data. And I need more like real, I have a lot. See, I'm a data guy, but I'm a data guy and what I see on the surface. Not what studies tell me because they're so manipulated. And there's so many ways to manipulate them.

And so I look at, I'm talking to hundreds, if not thousands of people and how are they reacting to it. And that's where I draw my data, but you see the problem with that is, I don't know the quality of what they're getting. So there's a different approach and problem when you're looking at these underground markers

on people using them. Are there some peptide labs that you like more than others? Yeah, yeah. I mean, so there's one I've known now for five years, it's really the only one I'll associate my name with is called umbrella labs.

Yeah, umbrella labs. I just told, you know, I have no names, but anyway, to get a sarm there. Yeah. That's a spot. Yeah, exactly.

Because they, at least, they tested it so you're getting what you've had a million

dollar facility. Yeah. I went down there to meet him and I don't know, 2019 or 2019 went down there to see him where they're at and it did a walk through because I was wanting to see a place that actually had a real facility and not making it in their bathtub at home, it's legit.

And he's a good dude, you know, like a really good guy. So that's the place I go. The umbrella labs, yeah, that would be the one that, you know, feet on the street is a, you know, you brought up BPC and TB 500. I talked about the bad ones, so these are the ones everybody really is behind.

Okay. So let's take it a step further. Those are the two most well-known and healing around. So then they come out with this product called glow. Yeah, it's a combination, TB, BPC and GHK, GHK, GHK, and that's kind of a chaperone

for copper. Yeah, it's GHK, see you. Yeah, it heals. I'm taking it. Yeah.

And I use women like because they're college. I use it on my face. Do you know Dr. Patel with aura or a wellness? Yeah, he came on my show and he let me try some of it. We love it.

Me and my wife use it. I'm a big skincare, obviously, from modeling. I love GHK. And then we take it a step further.

“This is the key to that whole combination.”

So now they come out with this thing called glow. Yeah. That's where the KPV comes in. OK, so we had glow and now we have glow which all four of them. KPV is a peptide that helps goddess.

Yes, and that why I love it so much. Yeah, exactly. I do get it. I have, you know, told people to try to use KPV, even the oral version. And I'm telling you, it works to me.

No, well, I shouldn't say worthwhile.

I'll say make it it's strong. If you really want the ultimate healing stack, you get the four. Mm-hmm. So in review, TB 500, BPC, please, GHK, GHK, and then the copper peptide GHK, you. And then, what was the other APV?

KPV. Oh, that's the one. So I'm a big fan of that and a big fan of MOTC. OK. Yeah, MOTC.

Yeah, MOTC. You can say either way. Let's talk about MOTC in a minute. So what, those four, what would people expect if they got on this? Oh.

Well, like you said, with the gut, which is a major thing. We start having that type of possible gut healing or repair, because BPC has that kind of benefit. Yeah, yeah. No, BPC works in the gut.

Definitely. But I've noticed the new oral versions, actually, in the gut, can sometimes make a bigger difference. Yes. And that's what it's good for.

BPC, like, my shoulder up, put it in there.

Well, and for people watching, if you take BPC or Lee, you're not going to really experience like what you're getting in your shoulder, nearly like it's because you're you're sight injecting to a site that needs the healing, which is what you're going to want to do. I use a cream.

It's a BPC TB 500 cream. And I love it. Yeah. Yeah. I know that oxidize these things.

Oh, MOTC. It works. Now, it's only BPC and TB 500. I just get sick of injecting all this. Oh, dude.

I got through phases of this. You know, I, like, it'll motivate me like I said, I had a 10, a 10, a 10 and I is 10 and I is. And so then that put me back into using it.

“That's how I ended it back up on Copperpeptide.”

Yeah. And that's how BPC 500. I'm tasting it. That's that. I love it.

It's good. Did it took a little injury to get there? Because it's a pain of the body. And it's expensive. I mean, you know, it's just annoying.

And I've been on TRT injections forever. Now, I just, we're talking about that now. Yeah. We're talking about the oral form of that now that I'm going to start. So yeah, that you will expect the healing, obviously.

But the, the, the, the skin, the way that your skin will look, your hair, your skin, your nails, all of that, you're going to know, it's like the full fledged full blown stack. And, and I love these options because this is the alternative medicine up the future with the whole Peptide genre. Yeah.

There's so many options. Yeah, there are. And again, I, I could, there's some, we've talked about GLP ones, right? The bad peptides. There's other bad peptides out there.

Yeah. I sure weren't, we're not making a, you know, a statement or, you know, all these peptides, even the sarms. I've taken GWSR. Yeah.

So, all right. So. But I do agree with you. It's like, you know, I mean, to spend the money, I mean, so, you know, I, I was talking to someone in the gym.

They're like, yeah, but I liked to be on them because that gets me to the gym. So, I don't have that problem. I get to the gym anyway. I believe it. Yeah.

I believe in self intrinsic motivation. Yeah.

“If you need something like that to take you to the gym, you should reflect.”

So anyways, those are good for the hair, the skin, the joints, right? Yeah. And all of that in the, in the gut, right? So, that crosses a lot of boundaries. You, we, you focused on all my favorite ones, right?

So, but yeah.

The moats, though, I've never taken moats.

What is moats? I've heard of moats. What? So, okay. It's really known to be an exercise, magnetic.

Like saying it wrong. You say it might be correctly. Well, what did you have to do? Maybe you don't. I'm probably wrong.

You could say it. I'm probably wrong. It's all the same. It's all good. Potato potato.

Right. But anyway, it is known to be an exercise, magnetic, meaning that you could take it, not really work out and have some fat loss. There's got, I guess, our sarm. Yeah.

But it might, it might, a condereal benefits. Okay. That's what I like about it. Okay. Helping might, a condereal health.

Take that. That's where I like it. Because I'm a big mitochondria and cellular health guy. When I started to do my work with timeline a year ago, I literally went to Harvard and studied cellular biology at night.

And understood mitochondria became a cellular health coach. That's all serious. I take my part of that. Yeah. So, like my least favorite subject my entire life was science.

And now my whole life revolves around it. And biology.

“That's why I just enrolled for neuroscience at ASU.”

So, I have really focused on cellular and neuro piecing them together. You know what I'm saying? You have to fix the cell to get well. Yeah. I love it.

That goes with me in life. I want to be known as a mind-body connector but spirituality's part of that connection, too. I don't know. I have a three-prong approach. Well, I mean, I would, I will go into it.

By the way, I should have said this. I was going to earlier. Where do people find you? Because everyone's going, okay. I want to follow this guy.

Yeah. Tell them where to find you. I actually am finishing up dillingermail.com. And it is... Were you better spelled than your mailing?

Yeah. I mean, E-L-L-I. Dillingermailly podcast and then Instagram. Like, if you go to me on TikTok, I've got a ton of followers. I respond to no one 'cause I hate TikTok.

I don't even have it on my phone.

Yeah. I only post there because I need to for partners. But otherwise, I don't touch it. But yeah. Those are my bread and butter's Instagram.

You will get me. I don't have people responding for me. If you get a response, it's from me. Cool. I don't do that.

So, all I'm following? Yeah. Please. All right. Yeah.

So, the moats is, that's a core. Oh, I love how I should try it. Oh, you love it. I'll tell you how to use it. 'Cause you have to.

It's a little bit different dosings. We'll go over it together. I guess I know kind of show you. 'Cause you want to make sure that you run it, you know. My wife, my wife has, she's been in menopause for many years.

She's 58.

She did it without hormones.

You know, taking a hormone ever, right? But I just started some peptides with her. Really? No. I'm worried about the skin in there.

All right. I mean, I'm not saying the negative way. It's on every woman. And she doesn't do Botox. She doesn't do fillers.

She doesn't do anything, right? So, we live very natural lives. I love it. But so, that stack, she's doing that. She's doing one other ones.

So, what is it? Oh, C-Max. She's doing, it's more brains. E-Max and Selenek are two of my favorites. 'Cause they do brain and anxiety and everything.

They go together. They're very synergistic. They're very synergistic. With an S, M-A-S-E-M-A, S-E-X and Selenek is S-E-L-A. I don't know that one.

They pair really nicely together. You do like one in the morning, one at night. I can help you with all this. And then this one sounds more hormone, but it's not. It's endotest.

Yeah. And I can tell, yeah, it's healthier. I mean, she like notices a difference, right? So, SS31 is another one that's gaining a lot of steam. And that's got some, like, cardiovascular heart benefits.

It's a really good one to look into. Multitudes of benefits that I, I am potentially going to start taking that one myself.

“So I'll let you know what I think about that one and the benefit of it.”

It is fun. You know, experimenting with them. And again, I wouldn't do it if it wasn't safe. I don't know. My health is, and to your point, too, right?

It's prime. I mean, yeah. I just, again, I, I just like it for the joint, the health of it. You know, it's 60. I still play hard.

You know, it's like, so, you know, I've had anitis, and I can't, like, swing off. No, I know. I know. My favorite.

I'll tell you my favorite is it's called Tessa Morlin. Yeah, Tessa Morlin. I haven't taken it, but, you know, everyone tells me about it. Oh, here's my line. It sounds hormonish, but it's not, isn't it?

Well, testosterone drugs. No, no, no, no, no. It's, it's going to increase your growth hormone levels. But what I like about it is it's very good for cutting weight and preserving muscle. Because cutting weight is not good.

Good if you're not preserving some muscle. Yeah. And that's why I like it so much because it carries that capability. That's why ozempic sucks. That's right.

Because you lose muscle. And it's like, which makes coming off of it almost impossible. Do you buy into the whole low dose thing, right? It's like, I mean, I grant it. I would argue low doses better than high dose, right?

It's like, but I find that it just, you know, just takes a longer to get there. But you're still losing muscle slower. You're there's cognitive benefits to microdose. Oh, yeah. I guess there's jail people want to receptors out there.

But again, that's a microbiome issue. That's right. Look, it makes it easier to eat adequately at a microdose. But can you still do that? I don't know because the way that it functions on your brain and shuts things off.

I can't speak to everybody. I can extrapolate data and it's kind of down the middle. Some people, oh, I can eat fine with it. Some people still struggle. Is it good to trick your body that long to just not eat and then what happens?

I don't like it. I don't either. Yeah. I hate it. I'm not anti GOP one, but I'm also very open about the back.

That's why I always make it clear.

“It's like, I think, again, you have to balance risk and reward here, right?”

Yeah. When you have the obese diabetic, they could die like this from a heart attack. Cheroke, et cetera, et cetera. And that could literally save their life. So are you robbing Peter to PayPal?

Yes. Always I. And right. There's a time in place for many medications. Yes.

Some medications I might say never. I'm not telling anyone to do anything. But you and I are the same. It's like just because maybe we don't like it. We can still point out a little bit of purpose with it.

But just be aware that this goes along. Right. Absolutely. I never say anti, but I don't care for them. Yeah.

I agree. Okay. Let's move in on that subject hormones. Okay. Yeah.

Look. Again, I'm going to state the same thing I just stated. There's a time in a place. Yeah. But my issue with all of these people in our space jumping to bio identical hormones.

I think it's misdirected.

“I think if someone's missing a gland or an organ.”

Absolutely. You might, you know, need some hormone assistance. But I find that people are just running to this. My issue is the cellular problem. You know, hormones in the blood really doesn't mean what's actually happening in the cell.

That's right. So we can make blood levels. Your estrogen's low, your testosterone's low.

But what it's doing in the cell is not reflected by your blood. Yeah. So it's not as crisp in the cleanest people think. And when you start taking a hormone, you slow and stop your body's own production. And one more point.

And hormones go like this through the day within eight intelligence. Meaning stress level goes up. Your body will just your your estrogen's going to be affected. Your testosterone's going to be being all and abalancing effect that you don't have to think about. So you're not going, oh, you know what, I know what I'm stressed.

I need a little more testosterone. I need a little more. Okay, your body does that for you. I know when you're taking these hormones, you're doing, you're doing this.

“And I think there's, there's a constant ones to that.”

And again, with all that said, I recognize the time in the place too. So I'm not anti-hormal. I'm just more cautious. Okay, that's my stance. No.

And I don't, you know, you're welcome to, you have your stance. So I'm going to bring it. Most people come to me to fix them, right? So I get a lot of people that were either ex steroid users that are completely just destroyed. They don't have their testicles.

No, you're probably going to have to take testosterone. Yes. I have shifted a lot of what I do to really help a lot of women. So I have a 50 50 audience. I've worked really hard to get that because I do work with a lot of menopausal women.

“And a lot of people that are struggling in a midlife sort of.”

Midlife crisis trim, but I don't know how well to put it. Men and women.

So one of the first things that I get is, oh, I'm tired any testosterone.

Oh, I'm running down or oh, I can't lose weight. Oh, this and my, my first responses. No. Let me dig. Let me see if there's something here that's blocking your testosterone production or eat that even is the case.

Or blocking it from getting in the sun. That's right. So for instance, just one example. If I look at a sex hormone binding globule in scoring, if that is too high. Then you're bounding up pre testosterone.

Yeah. So we fix that problem. You may boom. We don't need TRT. And there's a lot of natural things that can help that.

That's exactly right. And that's just one small thing. I can see it. But yeah.

But we go down a list of stuff to look at first before we even do that.

Now one thing. And I just had a former American gladiator on yesterday. And she was talking about how testosterone is. I'm sorry. I, Lori Fett. Okay. Yeah. So, and she was talking about, and I see this all the time, women that are really struggling in menopause. They have this fear of testosterone to understand that they need it. Just like you and I need it. Yeah.

Women need it. You and I need estrogen. Much lower extent, but women need testosterone. Yeah. That can just crush them. But they have a different balance because they have to look at progesterone estrogen and and test them. And the potential, where's it going? Meaning, yes. The body, it could go down the wrong roads. Yes. You know, it could end up going down a road, and producing more estrone and estrone could broadcast her dial. That's right. And your doctor's going, you're a studial levels are normal. You know, where they're making it normal, but it's being blocked.

Exactly. So, women's taking estrogen going, I don't feel well anymore. It's because our estrone is rising up. Yes. And then you try to take one thing to fix another to fix another before you're on 30 things. So, that's my point. Is it's a hard game to win? You can. And I get women have, you know, look, if all of the chemicals that mimic hormones, women washing their clothes and regular laundry detergent has all these hormones disruptors. I know. It's like drink out of plastic. Do it a little bit. It's like they mimic hormones.

You know, and then they, they try to balance that by taking hormones. Some women are going to notice a benefit in the beginning. But what I've noticed is they're, it doesn't last. No, because now this is off. Now, this is off. Now, and then they go to the testosterone. And then they feel good again. I have my sex drive again. And then that doesn't last.

It's, this is what we're finding doing. It's a never ending nonstop thing instead of just addressing a problem.

I'm right. In listen, I am, if a woman's life, I mean, they can't function anymore. There's a time that bi-denical hormone could be there and there, that right. But while they're doing that, they better be taking out all these hormone mimics, all these, you know, chemicals that mimic estrogen disrupted, drive inflammation of the cell, stopping the hormones. You're like, I mean, it's like, if you're not doing that, then you're just, you're on crutches your whole life.

“That's right. You have to look. I can, it's just like I tell everybody else. I can put you on the best diet in the world.”

If you do this, I can do this. If you're not hormonally optimized and mentally optimized, it does not matter. Right. There's nothing that is ever going to work. It is just a band-aid to a wound that will fall off every day. You know, I've had my testosterone measured multiple times. Sometimes it's 300, sometimes it's 700, sometimes it's 4. And I feel the same. But what it tells me is, is it's moving around? Primed day is everything when you date. If you've been moving, it's sent to get the most, you know, it has social level 300. That could land me on testosterone.

So it has on you taking it. But in fairness, certain things can affect that too.

“Absolutely. You should see. So I'm on TRT. That's my own doing from using steroids. My fault.”

Now see, I agree. You use steroids. You know, this is a little graphic, but you, you know, you're not shrink. Thankfully, it didn't happen to me, but it still shuts down your loop. I don't know. To the point where many X-body builders have no nuts left. Yeah, a lot of them don't.

But the point because they're not being used to being on the social level, but the point is that your body shut it down. Yes. I would tell Dylan, you're in the testosterone. Well, yeah. I did answer myself. I'm going to agree with you. But you would be surprised like so I inject twice a week.

Now, now testosterone injections have ester chains connected to them. So sippinate is ideal because it's a seven to eight day half life. Sippinate is a form of testosterone that is invisible. So testosterone is testosterone and then they attach an ester chain, which allows a release point. Like testosterone, propionate is like a two and a half, three days.

You have to inject it every other day. Otherwise, the levels are all over the place. So sippinate's ideal for TRT because of the half life. So you could inject once a week, theoretically.

The problem is you have what's called a peak in a trough.

So if I inject like Tuesday, you take my testosterone level. It's depending on how much I take. It could be anywhere from 800 to 1,000. Then if you take it like if I wait a week and you test it before injecting in, it's down to like 300 or 200.

You have this like imbalance of how you feel.

“That's why when I teach people, you have to do it twice a week.”

You know, and that a lot of doctors don't understand how this works. And they'll put people on these long esters and inject it once a month. And these people never feel good because it's up and down. So I met his name is Shaylan Shaw and he's one of the founders of Kaiser Trek. And that's the oral form of testosterone that I'm going to start that I just got a script.

Because doctor Betsy Yearth is the one that educated me on it. You know, a couple of years ago, and I wanted to wait to make sure the tests and everything. So I'm going to give it a shot. So I don't have to inject because it's supposed to alleviate rise in estrogen. It's supposed to allow your luteinizing hormone to kick back up.

There's a lot of things that's supposed to do. You have to take it daily, but it's oral. So no more inject. What about in clonophine? Some people take that.

It stimulates from the betuade. You have a luteinizing hormone, a ph down. And it gets your test. I just want you to worry about long term use to benefit that on, you know, dependency on it. Yeah, I work a long term use of anything.

I do too. Yeah. I didn't think stop working to, you know, Yeah, that's just it. I don't have enough data or comfort.

I mean, I think those people are taking that for, you know, Post psychos. Go nattism. Yes. And then post psychotherapy.

I don't have a problem with it. Because you, you, you, that's another thing. You think about what are people used to come off steroids. You use clonum and novidex. So what are those?

Yeah. Well, novidex is a breast cancer medication. Yeah. Do you think that's smart to use for a dude? And then clonum is really it's supposed to be a fertility drug for women.

Yeah. Does that sound smart? Well, you often was from that family. Yeah. Yeah.

They used it for infertility actually. Yeah. It started, you know, my memory there. Yeah. But do any of those things sound like those are good things to use.

Yeah. Women's cancer medication.

That was always my argument with people.

But I don't, I don't have to play that argument anymore because I'm out of that world, you know? But these are the troubling things that I've learned. And again, I think it kind of brings ours with the advancements of peptides. It's a way more natural way to go. Absolutely.

Without shutting down your own production. Yeah. Without trying to figure out the game of up and now. We both made the argument. Some people need it.

“And you should do it right if you're going to do it.”

And the Lou, even gave some great tips there on how to do it. Right. You know, I think that when we look at how many women. Estrogen, perjesse, you know, I know that whole thing the black box warning. They took that off.

And I agree. It's not directly. It's not creating. You know, cancer indirectly. I think that you could still have problems.

Because I've seen a lot of Dutch tests were women are taking Estrogen. And we see all these high esters in metabolites. Like four hydroxyestron that can lead to. The breast cancer cancer cell.

But again, that's an indirect thing. It's, you know, so I don't think it would be fair to say that it causes it directly. Um, I, and again, there's, there's a time in a place. But what was my point going to be my point was going to be that. Oh, I know what it was going to be.

So women are taking the estrogen. And they seem to get this benefit in the beginning. But because they haven't really got to the cause of why. Yeah. Then they end up not having a lasting result.

Right. You know, and I think that's confusing for a lot of women.

You know, so the point is, if you're doing that, please be working on eliminating all

“the things that are disrupting hormones in your life and follow my Instagram page.”

Because that's it. Yeah. I'll end the detox that I teach is getting rid of because a lot of these endocrine disruptors, they accumulate. Yes.

Heavy metals accumulate. They don't leave the body in a lot of places, right? Right. And they accumulate in the brain, even in the pituitary that runs your hormones. You have mercury or aluminum in that area, which I did.

You can't all my hormones were disrupted. I spent years trying to balance my thyroid, my drain holes, my testosterone. I mean, it just doesn't work. I just had a high aluminum score come back and I can't figure out why. Dude, it's jet fuel has it nothing.

I'm not talking about chemtrails.

I'm talking about to make there's they have jet fuel now to bake.

It's all about dollars and cents. This isn't conspiracy. You know, they're able to fly jets a lot farther on the modern day. Fuel.

“However, and that's why you see more chemtrails.”

By the way, there's more particles in the condensate. You know, and people combat chemtrails, they're contrails. So you see more condensation. But aluminum is coming out of the sky, man. I mean, it's like in it's in our food supply.

It's in our water. And then, you know, how much aluminum foil are? People were at me. We have a lot of aluminum exposures and our purse prints. I mean, all these things.

So aluminum is everywhere. I was sitting in my backyard. And I was like doing prayers and sitting there. All of a sudden, I'll quit my wife. I said, get out here.

And this, I saw this thing going across the sky. And it was just dropping. And I said, what is that? You look like a UFO. And we filmed it.

And we should see the stuff that was just coming in and drop. Be clear. I always say that, too.

“Do they do, do they spray a different type of do they do?”

They do. They have to get clearance. They do get clearance. They're doing it for different reasons. So this is like, you know, by engineering has been around the long time.

And it's used differently. But when you look at a commercial jet going over in the studio, that's not what that is. So that people confuse the two. Right.

So when they say, like, you know, Mexico is outlawed. You know, by my saying the bioengineering. What am I saying? Um, bio, what's the word? What's the word?

Bioengineering? They may be able to hang it right. Okay. I just like to see it. But anyway, if you still see chemicals in Mexico, man.

But the point is that is because what they outlawed is. And they didn't floor to two. You know, you're not allowed to use certain things and spraying certain things. And some of it was being experimental to control weather. I know all that goes down and went on.

And, you know, most of it was a fail. But that's still not what you look up when you see the jet. No. But you can hate me on that. Because people in our space love that topic.

And I spend so much time like just proving it. You know, so I think there's chemicals. But it's not that. That's the point. Anyway, I got went off.

Okay. You know what I mean? The point was I was making was is that, you know, we really have to focus on, you know, the causative factors of, you know, we're a hormones. I mean, we're out of time, bro.

We just spoke for a long time. I believe it. Yeah. I know. So that was amazing.

But I've tell more time where to find you. Yes, please. So Dylan Jamelli.com, GEME, LLI, Instagram, Dylan Jamelli podcast. We're tearing it up. You're going to come on.

We'll have another great conversation. But yeah, that I am literally just doing God's work there. And I mean, we talk about everything. I do all aspects of everything from mind-body spirit. And I do it all.

So those are the best places to find me, man. Yeah. Find them.

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