Episode #118 Guest Appearance on "Stay off my operating table" with Dr. Philip Ovadia

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about? When I started digging into this guy, I thought, oh my God, we're not going to have

“enough time to talk about everything I want to know about. So I'm going to try to sit quietly”

of listen, but I'm making no promises. Please take it over. Yeah, I'll say that Dylan really has become one of the most interesting people I've met in the space and he's got a just wealth of stuff that we can talk about. I was honored that he had me on his podcast, the Dylan Jamelli podcast a few months back and have been really looking forward to the opportunity to turn the table. So to speak and have him on a guest as a guest dig into all his interesting background and

everything he talks about these days. So we will get into it and Dylan maybe just start with sort of the intro. How you? What kind of led you to where you are today? Let me say one thing before I do that first about you that I want everybody to know about. So I hadn't met you yet and I was in a group that we were both in and led everybody know I was in the hospital and had something happen and you reached out to me, not knowing me from anybody, offering me help, giving me advice on things I

was frankly scared about and gave me comfort pure stranger thankfully. Now we're friends and that

“I got to meet you and that's how God works but I just want to point out to the audience the kind of”

person you are and to thank you because I never really did. I mean I did but not directly

like this and I just want to say that before I even say anything about myself you are a stellar human being not just because of the knowledge and the things that you provide but who you are and I appreciate it man. You know thank you for that I appreciate the kind words. So for me I'll keep it brief to the best I can so everybody always wants to know like how did you how did you build this how did you do this frankly coming from college I was a college basketball player athlete I got injured

I got into acting and modeling kind of against my will at first but it kind of fell into that

path for me which was not the right path and leading into what I generally say is my second chance

in life I went to prison and I fell into this lifestyle of money and worrying about whatever anybody thought of me how I looked all of the vain things and selfish things you could ever have in your life. I mean to total polar opposite of who I became but that shaped me for what I became now and what I do now and it really led me on the path of righteousness and truth which is what I do and what I work on. So once we start from scratch at 30 years old coming off a 15-year prison

sentence which I did two years of and got out thankfully that's when I started to dig into nutrition and fitness and started to work with bodybuilders started to study anabolic steroids learned

world and in the types of what sarms those are selective androgen receptor modulators they were viewed in the bodybuilding world as alternative to steroids but they were designed for people that were suffering from muscle wasted so think osteoporosis patients think HIV cancer patients because

“HIV was a little bit more prevalent at the time you know so that's what those were and we can”

get into that later in terms of how they compare and contrast but nobody was talking about those things back then very few and I discovered the underground research chemical market and before you

know to had millions of subscribers on YouTube so that's how I got the notoriety at first.

Two two YouTube channels later that were shut down I started to focus on Instagram and you know social media where I was finally invited to actually speak at Mr. Olympia and that was my big opportunity and that's when I discovered the biohacking sphere and that's when everything changed for me. I you know I made all these contacts after speaking got home got COVID knocked out in bed and within that time I had met a company called Stambury Jen who very prominent in the biohacking

“sphere and I started to study what they did who they were and that's when I stumbled upon”

what I do now and I called my wife in as I lay in bed unable to move or do anything and instead of pouting I turned it to God and said man I don't know why this is happening but I trust there's a reason and I said I'm about to change my whole path that I'm on and a year and a half later here we set a year and a half later yes yeah you know it like you said people people oftentimes don't

realize the struggle right that it takes to get to the success and you know you've done an amazing

job of turning things around when you could have just continued down the same path that you were on I guess you know a good place to maybe start the conversation is what led you sort of into the whole biohacking you know we'll call it alternative space right and not you know to the traditional medical treatment you know you you had some diagnoses right and you've talked about you know you had eating disorder and you know some other

things that could have been treated more traditionally what what led you kind of away from traditional and into the you know like you said underground you know space that you now find yourself in

so I've always been like deep intricate study or by nature so the reason that I got fascinated

with the antibiotics steroids at first was because of what happened with baseball and I knew that there was so many things missing on what we were led about them so I began to study them and I mean intricately study them and I learned about them and I started to teach people the dangers and I learned about the science how they actually worked and what they did inside your body how they were altered in their structure and what the causes were for all of the toxicity the heart problems the cholesterol

all the blood pressure everything that goes alongside with that so during that time I started to see more and more people struggling obviously heart disease was a prevalent thing for steroid users liver problems kidney problems the whole nine and that's when I discovered things like Tudka and these shortcuts that people were using to treat themselves as opposed to doctors who they couldn't go say hey I'm taking steroids you know what am I going to do here and that's when I started to

learn about these other methods of treatment and from there that led me into okay I discovered this I discovered peptides and Psalms and I said to myself okay it's kind of like when I discovered Yahoo when I was in high school and tried to tell my parents to invest in it and they didn't

“listen to me but these things they happen and you have to understand that you can't think”

everything's kuku and craze you have to have an open mind to say this may be the future when I start to study this and I see the structures how they're made up but where is it going and then I began to learn about how things really work in the supplement industry with what it takes to get FDA approval who you got to pay you know how the marketing works will then I found a heart condition on myself and that's when everything changed I began to work with the doctor

on that was a YouTube doctor and he said you know everybody that works with me goes and gets a calcium score and he said you're in perfect shape you're young you probably don't need it but I

and it comes back 120 when it should be zero at I believe it was 40 or right around 40 or 39

“years old and I'm talking you can't get much better condition than than what I was but I had prior”

steroids use prior eating disorder and my father had a heart attack on his 59 so there were some things there that I had to be aware of and then I discovered as I told you before Philip I had an extremely elevated LP little lay I'm talking 330 which then led me to all of the studies I did into that okay quick for listeners to find what that means please so yeah please you go ahead you're the expert on that one yeah jump in on that one so LP little A liproprotein A

this is basically a modified cholesterol particle it's a modified LDL particle that has this

extra protein that makes it I always describe it as sticky right but it predisposes people

through the development of heart disease not because of the cholesterol that it's carrying around

“but because how it interacts with the blood clotting system and makes more people more prone”

to blood clotting issues which are in lead to plaque in the arteries strokes all sorts of cardiovascular conditions and it's mostly genetically determined okay and and that's that's when I learned that it's not something you really can fix with your diet or exercise I mean obviously you still want to do those things to protect yourself from any sort of heart damage but that particular problem is something different and my assumption was that my my I'm probably

inherited it from my dad because of his condition and dying at a young age I don't know that for sure but that was my assessment at the time so I start to then study it and I mean when I tell

you guys I study I never go to bed with my wife she kind of is used to it I'm a two or three

a clock in the morning guy and it's not because I'm up haven't fun I mean to me it's fun but I'm up reading and you can imagine when I discover this on myself my type one personality is like in overdrive so when I tell you I read I don't want to say I became an expert but I guess I did because I didn't just read it for myself I talked to some of the best cardiologists that I was referred to in the world that weren't just conventional I did both I went to both sides of the fence

because I wanted to learn about the condition itself I wanted to learn about experiences on people that had reversed plaque I wanted to learn about different types of treatments and medications so you can imagine that I had one side that was telling me statin this statin that statin this and I had this other side preaching me niacin for example for LP literally but then PCSK9 inhibitors and things that I was learning so you know I upon all of this my advice was go to the

gold standard male clinic okay so and I and I say that and you'll see why I say that so sarcastically so I lived in Iowa at the time so we drove to the clinic in Minneapolis which is supposed to be the best or Rochester wherever the hell it is three and a half or hours later I get up there go in and was told that it would be bad to practice to put me on anything other than a statin and they didn't have enough information on LP literally to really assess my problem and

to just not worry about it the statin would save me will mind you and and doc you can assess to this a statin increases your LP literally on top of the other controversial sides of things so one of the very few times I got into an argument with my mom and my wife on the way home was well they're the experts and you're telling me that that it had done I said fine I don't know who I'm talking to in the car and I certainly don't know who I was talking to there I'm going to do it my way

and sure enough I was told you test that LP little lacecore once you're kind of stuck with it and guess what in a year it went from 330 to 94 and it's still going down hopefully I do believe you can reverse arterial plaque doc I will let you answer that but I firmly believe that as well and I've been implementing a lot of things in that manner I haven't gotten another calcium score I wanted to let this work for a while because you know the the calcium score only

assesses the hard plaque and not the soft and I don't know the differences I had there and etc but I implemented strategies natural and PCSK9 related so I used repath, I also used the

“CPA I did a big long bout a nice and but had to stop because it was I think it was damaging the”

liver too much but you know glutathione topical glutathione that actually works I've implemented a lot

completely anti-conventional by any stretch but I will tell you there's a lot better or alternative

therapies that work for people that they need to be aware of. Yeah you know and I'm glad you kind of went through all that with your answer to my question because that was kind of exactly where I was hoping we would get to that you know you've done the research right you're not just out there sort of you know as you said right there are a lot of people in this world to be honest right or just like anything that comes out of the traditional system you know is wrong and we got to

just do the opposite because it's the opposite right and you've taken a very different approach and you know as you discuss this you take a different approach and what you just said yeah there

is some useful stuff that you can pull you know that we can get and but there's also alternative

stuff that quite frankly the doctors just have no insight into right many of them don't even know it exists and if they do they just have this you know automatic sort of gut reaction of well no that's got to be wrong cause you know it didn't come from my education right and it didn't come and unfortunately we know that you know the pharmaceutical companies have a you know have a lot of influence on what doctors get educated on and what they don't learn about but you know I've come

largely the same conclusion I've looked into a lot of these same things that you talked about

“and you've looked into and I see the usefulness of them and I think there is a very good path forward”

that you you know bring these together and we can use the traditional stuff when it's appropriate but we have to understand when it's not appropriate and then we can bring this other stuff in and I think it's a fascinating work way that you know we can all move forward together so maybe yeah let's talk about what you see in the biohacking world we'll call it right and some people call it the you know the Jimboro world the biohacking world or however you want to talk

about it but you know what do you see there that maybe you know they aren't as open to some of the traditional things and you know let's be frank about what you see there that just may not be serving people well you know I think that this relates to literally every aspect of life whether it's politics whether it's sports whether it's this with medicine people feel like they have to pick one side or the other they have no comprehension or understanding of open-mindedness realizing that

“there's a mix and you have to be precise in how you're going about where you get your research here's”

the problem and what happens on both sides is that it becomes this environment where it's so caught up in money and people start to believe their own BS their own lies that they that they don't even realize they're telling or they're regurgitating and they fall into this one track mind that this this way and it's the only way and that is just not factual when it becomes all about money and you forget the purpose that's where we go wrong everything starts off with the right

intent but then more and more people see that they say oh this is a gold mine and then that's where it gets convoluted and things go by the wayside that's like so for instance you have a bad experience with the doctor okay we all do and you go in there you have a even me like I have a had bad blood draws where my arm is just destroyed that does that mean that every time I go it's going to happen no it does not does that mean every single one of them doesn't know what the hell they're

doing no it does not it just means that it happened and it means you got to be more aware of what you're being told so for instance I do know because I have plenty of friends now that have either gone to medical school recently or are in there that they're being taught a certain guideline and set of things that they're missing like a whole portion of actual health issues and credentials that they need to possess it's kind of like going to school where they don't teach

about credit they don't they they want to teach you about how to sew a freaking pillow or take wood shop or do art classes opposed to teaching you about things that are gonna really relate to

“your everyday life so they're being taught one thing and one thing only and that's that's what they”

then go and give their patients so of course we're gonna have this mindset that every single thing

they tell us is wrong because they're on a one track mind the problem is is that there are

medicine and you can't just be reliant on natural herbs and supplements there's a combination

“and a use for both the problem is confusion and I know that's the problem because I study”

comments I have millions of followers and I know what the main problem is for every single human it's one word it's confusion because of all the marketing all the money and the loss of the actual like reason for doing all of this so that's the problem the purpose here should be to provide people with the actual insight that's gonna help them and if you sell a product and the products not for them or there's a better way if your if your product says good as it is it doesn't matter

if you lose one person to be honest and tell them the truth and that's it that is the problem in both sides and in biohacking especially it's become more of a business as opposed to help it's become this it's it's every single thing that you look at it's how do we how do we provide a people hook to get them into watches how fancy can we make our shorts to get them to watch it to buy whatever we're doing and we've lost sight of the education part and it's not just the science

part it's the real life here's my blood work I don't and here's what my clients respond to

not just some paid for study but the real life stuff and then then showing who you really are you see when I do content when people send me a script that I work for I take it like this and it goes right until my trash can because I'm not doing it I'm not reading a script and then if they don't like that I can't work with them I'm going to use some talking points but I'm going to tell people the truth and how it works and that's where everything's lost in translation but we want things to be

black and white and blended we'd really like to have things so that we don't have to do a whole lot of thinking for ourselves that's the deal man that's the other problem is what you just said Jack it is it is the lack of desire to actually do anything and that falls into one word a kind of ability and accountability applies to every aspect of life and we all need to be accountable for our own health no doctor nobody else is going to do that for us they can't see inside of of our

“brains and what we're thinking and feeling you have to ultimately be the one that researchers you”

have to be the one that ultimately takes control it's like this when I was in college if I walked

into a class that I was starting and I saw that the teacher was going to be a headache or it was like something was off I took my ass to the counselor dropped it and found another one so if you go to your doctor and you find something doesn't seem right leave go find another one because there's plenty of options you know but that's just it not accepting something that's offered doesn't feel right you have to take control. Creatine one of the most proven and studied compounds in existence yet

still one of the most confusing most people think creatine is only for muscle but creatine is for energy not caffeine type energy actual cellular energy the kind that your body uses for strength, focus and recovery if your workouts feel flat if your brain feels slower than it used to and if your recovery is not where it should be there's a high probability your energy system isn't supported and creatine will help fix that it essentially gives your body a reserve so when your demand spikes

you don't crash but here's where most people mess this up they grab the cheapest creatine they can find and assume it's all the same but it's not if it doesn't dissolve well if it's not supported by the right co-factors and if your body can't actually use it efficiently you're wasting your time

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like my friends yeah let's talk about maybe what you think some of the most interesting

tools are right that people don't know about and maybe you know we first talk about general

and then since you know you have focused in on heart disease you know because of your own story maybe we'll get into what are some of the tools around heart disease that people should know about but don't you know one of the things that I use that I learned about in terms of helping to reverse

I've been doing that don't taste the greatest if you get the right one but that's one of the

things that I've been doing that's helped me a lot that I actually implement that's like a small little hack for people to use I guess so to speak that you maybe wouldn't think about in pomegran some ourselves obviously you put it in vodka and you made defeat the purpose but yes you could oh man I love

“you should probably cut that part out Phil you may want to but the other thing about pomegrances”

they do contain your alithinane others better ways to get that but then you're also looking at treating your mitochondria and I think that we need to keep focus on mitochondrial health as it relates to everything in our life and I talk about that quite a bit on on my channels and

everything discussing the cellular side of things you know one of the other things that I talk

quite a bit about is the use of creatine and understanding the multi-faceted uses that it has it's often misconstrued as just being something for muscle building or something that's going to retain water and etc when in reality there's a multitude of benefits that people have uncovered especially like more cognitive side and and another thing that I think is very important

“that you have to piece together with this that I've been studying is on the neuroscience side”

and it's really that so many people walk around and they're kind of stuck in a sympathetic state where they're kind of in that fight or flight mode I know that me on a personal level as aggressive as I go in everything that I do that happens to me and I have to I do it through prayer that's not everybody's every some people don't like to hear that and that's fine that means get yourself into a state where you have some silent time or some meditative time to reactivate

your your vagus nerve and get that that parasympathetic nervous system going so you are not stuck in this mode all day because if you are and you're stuck in that where a lot of people are highly stressed they don't sleep well they're kind of all over the place they can't sit still they can't focus that's when you know that there's probably a nervous system issue too Bill unpack all of that a little bit I mean I could chase this particular rabbit

for the rest of our conversation but I know that that in my own experience 20 years ago the reason the core problem with my own health issue was I just been redlining for years I was in biter flight mode constantly and it had been going on for so long that I wasn't even aware of it it felt normal to me I'm grateful that I found a health care provider who was able to say oh here's your problem and here's how to fix it yeah I think this is a big one

and you know again I think the medical you know the traditional medical world has a tough time with it right because we don't have the measurement right that that can tell us you know how big a problem this is but I agree with Dylan and I'd love to hear him go more into this right how how do people for themselves maybe start to figure out that this may be part of their issues and you know for the doctors that are in our audience as well right how should they be looking

at patients and thinking about the role that this is playing in you know and again it's pick your disease cardiovascular disease you know or anything else right I do think this plays a big role in most of the diseases that we struggle with so we're looking kind of when I look at this to assess it I start symptomatically and I understand that and and this is the process because you know this quite well there's a lot of similar symptoms for a lot of similar like differentiating

diseases or problems so it's you start symptomatically and when I start to assess I can kind of tell

“when I talk to somebody by how they come across too because you have to here's the thing you you really”

have to be more than just smart with the numbers and smart with like the correlation of okay this problem relates to this disease you got to be able to listen to people and you got to be able to read people and look and understand who's talking back to you and I think this is part of

my like street smarts and my ability and in things that I've done in my life that has always been

people related which has made me kind of be able to do what I do at a much higher level because I know when I talk to somebody what I'm seeing and what I'm hearing I can tell normally by looking at a person's face they're the way their body moves how they're acting in the way that they come

you can sense that but let's forget that let's just say you don't have that then we go to the blood

panels all right so let's say I have somebody that's they just seem like they're having bad sleep they

“can't focus and we've ruled out some things with their food because you need to learn about”

what they're eating too because that plays a role as well because if they're having a high seed oil diet and highly inflammatory diet that's going to cause problems too because there's a lot of moving parts here man I mean and that's where the blood panels come in so then we're going to obviously look at cortisol we're going to look at like a high-censity sea reactive protein we're going to check inflammation check heavy metals look for parasites and other things that could be

affecting as well once we get all of that and we're looking at it then I can start to say okay how's your sleep how's this how's that look at it on the surface and then I can determine okay this is more of a nervous system problem this is more of a you've got some other things going on that's where the psychologist hat comes on and you start to dig into that a little bit so how do we stimulate the vagus nerve you know I have I use a polo neuro I don't know if

you're familiar with that with not but doctored raven is the one that kind of taught me the aspects I was missing on the neuro science side so I learned from him and that that's a vagus nerve stimulator but let's forget that let's say you don't want to buy anything you don't want to use anything we have to start implementing basics so what do I mean that means one practice gratitude I know that's not the answer everybody wants but the more grateful you are

during the day and night about everything in your life the more a piece that you find and the more ability that you are able to relax because you have it in your heart and your mind that you're grateful for your time for your family etc. 2 is getting out and moving in the morning and

getting some sunlight and I always do this I'm not saying stay out in the sun three four hours a day

that's not what I'm saying and if you have a skin condition be careful but we all need a good 15 20 minutes a day of sunlight and movement at the minimum because you're not going to get your

“vitamin D just your supplements and food you need to get out in the sun and get it and it's very”

important and being in nature is also important it's calming and it's soothing and it really puts you at one with the earth and I'm not talking like a hippie I'm talking like a guy that understands what we need to do for our own health and then that brings us to and I am very bad at this because I worked seven days a week 24 hours a day the screen time it's too much the focus on the phones it's too much and the inability to get away from all the noise and just

take some time like I said I spent probably at least an hour to a date in totality throughout the day and prayer mixed in throughout the day and I start my day that way but you need to start in something meditative or something that takes your mind away and freeze it and freeze it from all of the things that's going around the noise etc these are these are basic bio hacks and I say that in quotation because they're not bio hacks man this is just factual ways of living on

how we were created to live better exactly this we weren't intended to do what I do and never

“take a break we were intended to take a break to be able to be more productive you have to”

prioritize rest and recovery so overtraining is very detrimental and bad and never shutting your mind off is detrimental and bad I am trying to not only teach and preach that but implement it and I'm telling you the more I do it the more productive I am and I get way more done you know you guys will notice this and I'm sure Jack you said you were kind of stuck in that mode I bet you can relate to this you probably are we're at go go go go go go and then wonder why you weren't getting as much

as you needed to get done done and it's it's it's because you're so stressed and stuck that you're not as productive as you should be so you might work longer but the production level goes down yeah that's right then they get stressed about not being more productive and then and that no time either and then you're winding up a little tighter and yeah yes I'm telling you guys I am I am a good teacher because I have made so many damn mistakes I just don't make them twice and I learned

from the best people asked me how did you learn this how did you do that how did you do that because I was humble enough to know I was wrong and I was accountable enough to look in the mirror and and understand man you think you know everything and you don't know Jack you just don't know you have to be patient you have to admit your faults you have to be able to be accountable and then you can be more productive and learn that's the only way because nobody is perfect and nobody knows

then that's when you kind of get to the successful point you have to be humble and appreciative of all of the people you can interact with all of the opportunities that you get to learn

and every situation in scenario has a purpose they're not always good but they have a purpose

and a meaning to shape your life and and that's the gratitude part and when you have all of that

“and put it together that's how you start to get really full health alignment you know that you'll”

notice better blood panels you'll notice everything you tell me especially feel as somebody that has so many patients you got somebody that is always down in the dump sad discouraged stress you got the most positive person on the planet you tell me who's got the better chance of overcoming surviving being healed and easier for you to work with and it's always going to be the person that's more positive always I guarantee it it's you know one of the big things I look for in my

surgical practice when patients are going into the operating room and they're like I don't

think this is going to end well that always makes me nervous as a surgeon because they're probably

right but the patients that come in and they're like you know great we got this you know we're we're doing what we need to do and you know I'm going to come out on the other side better those are the patients you know who do do well and you know this this is not something you know kind of woo woo and unfroven right we look at you know the studies whether you're looking at the blue zones you're looking you know at the Mediterranean diet right but the reality is

is that what you see in the Mediterranean culture right that you know is the diet is probably the

“least important part of it right it is everything you were talking about the community and the you know”

and the the lifestyle right that they you know it's not what they're eating at lunch it's the fact that they you know have one or two hour lunches with a whole bunch of people right and you know that interaction that community just that you know that they've taken their break from work you know for a couple hours to address that kind of mental health part of it that's probably where the benefits come from not necessarily the food that they're eating so you know it's interesting

interesting to bring that all together and again unfortunately it's something that doesn't get enough attention pay to it well look everybody's got good days everybody's got bad days but I'll tell you this tell me on a bad day when you just don't feel good or something happened or whatever and somebody just smiles at you says hello or something or you do it to somebody and you see their reaction do everything changes everything just changes it's not by accident it's not

that's what we're meant to do and them that you will become a healthier individual by doing small little things that bring some sort of positivity to others which will then in turn make your life more positive it just it is a it is a it is a pure fact I don't need any scientific paper to prove it I got daily data for the past 44 years to prove it it's a guarantee but you you know so many people get this this mindset and it's it's either a victim mindset or an anger mindset

and I will ask so many people this question that are listening when has anger solved the problem and when has stress solved the problem or has it not only exacerbated the problem but also

“degraded your health and I think if you see sometimes you have to get people to say things”

out loud to make sense because everybody's so quick to respond and complain and pound and blame everything say things slowly out loud listen and be honest with yourself and then hopefully that'll help you develop some accountability let me tell you something man I had the conversation with my mom and when I was in prison I remember the moment I remember the day I remember the setting where I was at and I was pouting and complaining about I just got strip searched and they're

doing this to me and they're doing that to me and front of people and I was just complaining I mean nonstop and she said Dylan she said did you ever sit back and think about all the people that are scared for you the people that infested time and effort into you the people you let down and the people that are scared for you did you ever think about that I didn't know what to say and you could

see I've never had a loss for words and I just sat there and then she said where me and your dad

really that bad appearance and I broke I started to have tears running down my eyes and I don't

when I started to take accountability and I said no I said there's not one thing you and dad could have done better or done differently I made these choices I made the decisions I'm going to deal with them and I assure you I will fix them and that was the turning point moment conversation and that's when everything changed I'm not perfect I'm far from it and I screw up all the time

but I fix it I'm accountable and I am the first person to admit when I'm wrong and that has made me

healthier and it's made me easier to get along with and more productive in what I do you know a thought occurs to me I've heard folks talk about accountability all my life to be frank without ever defining it but yeah what I just heard I'm going to

“I'm going to say back to you what I heard you say I think you said accountability”

what happened was you took responsibility for being in prison it was your choices and your decisions that put you there you accepted I'm here because of me and it's up to me to fix it it's not somebody else's job it's not somebody else's fault that's right on me that's right and I'll tell you this I actually put out an episode that was a solo one and it was called the Lost Art of Accountability and it's one of the biggest problems that I personally see and I like to explain

to everybody so I don't sound high in mighty the years and years of selfishness the years and

years of excuses the years that I never once looked in the mirror and said to myself it's you

it's you dude you're the one that's doing all this you know people bring me on and they say oh you overcame prison and I say I didn't overcompresent I put myself in prison I made it through it and that and I learned from it and it will never define me but it is the turning point that shaped my life I made it through I didn't overcome something I caused people that overcome cancer and like you know natural disasters or situations and scenarios that seem impossible that are they didn't

cause they overcame stuff I just became accountable and beat it and it didn't let it ruin me but that's

“inspirational to people that they can do the same and that's what why I so freely talk about it I'm”

not ashamed of it I'm ashamed of what I did I'm ashamed of the actions I'm not ashamed of being

in there and what I learned from it no no no no I regret my decisions but it it never made me I was

not that person that was somebody that I became because of my surroundings that I let dominate my life that I will never do again and I learned a great deal for me that will help people that go through the same thing and it helps me to teach people what's actually important in life which I just did not understand but I'll tell you what one thing I want to stress is time you can't buy it back you can't create more of it once it's gone it's gone and I lost time I lost Christmas is thanks

giving birthdays you do the math on paper let's see a liberal long fruitful life let's say you live to be 75 80 that's only 80 birthdays or 80 Christmas is that's 80 days and when you think that oh it's not important or whatever when you get a little bit older and you understand you missed

“a couple yeah it's going to make a significant difference and that's what's where the gratitude”

comes back into play and understanding that these things we talk about these ways of taking care of ourselves and going oh I don't care about that I'm younger oh it's inevitable or all this no because when you wake up one day and you're 40 50 60 you can't get that time back and you can't go back and say oh I wish I would have done this and not done that it's too late man it's too late so when we sit here and talk about these things that you can do to change your life

some people yeah they're out to make a buck yeah they are but there's a lot of people like me and you guys that are actually trying to teach people and prevent them from doing when I just told you waking up and living and regret you know I'm fascinated I've been somebody who's worshiped at the ultra-virationalism for a good bit of my life and struggled with the religion that I was raised in because I couldn't make a rational sense of it but over the last 20

the wisdom passed down through the world's oldest religions I think primarily of what I the ones I know best Judaism Christianity and Confucianism if we practice those fundamental things it actually has positive physiological effects and positive psychological effects giving thanks

“even when things are crappy being humble I think it's in the book of Proverbs it says the”

fear of the Lord is the beginning of the wisdom this is the beginning of wisdom and that fear of the Lord means from a practical standpoint it means I don't know everything Moses instructed the Israelites to take a day off every single week to just stop normal life and take a Sabbath and rest and we have we have a reams of research now that talk about the physiological and psychological benefits the relational benefits the community benefits of of of practicing these

things it's almost like the reason that these these books of wisdom to these these practices have survived for thousands of years is because they work that's right look yeah you know you said there and I'm going to tell you something I the my favorite thing to do and study now is science the thing that I hated the most my entire life till the past two years was science

and first it was just because it was an interesting to me because I was so wrapped up in sports

and girls and everything else that a young guy would be you know but then it was because I thought it was like anti-religion because I just didn't know what the hell I was talking about because I just listened to people when in reality God created science and if you look at science let's look at body structure let's look at our heart let's look at ourselves let's look at this intricate makeup of beauty and precision on how we were created and wired and all the moving parts and you know

in the Bible one of the big problems is is people don't understand how to interpret what's being said if it took God seven days or six days in a day of rest to create everything and you know it says and they're he breathe this and it appeared no no no that's a long time well he had to design our makeup go through all of the intricacies and structures it didn't just appear that took effort that took time and his precision and everything that was done was done for a specific purpose and

when you said that some of it you can't rationalize because in the teachings it's you're we're not supposed to know everything at all and chasing that is actually a problem it's the trust part of it that you once you grasp the trust the Enlightenment comes man I just got done tell my mom this morning I said you know mom I said you you you you're so close with God as am I but you don't listen and you don't follow you get so stressed and I said ultimately that's a

sim because you don't trust and I said I give speeches all the time I never go in with preparation

I don't I don't script anything I don't do shit you know why I go in there because I know that

“I'm going to be told what to say I can't tell you how many things I walk out of and I think to myself”

man how the hell did I even know that where did that come from it's holy spirit drip and I didn't know that I used to take all the credit when you stopped taking all the credit and start being humble which you just said and you have humility man or man the stuff that you can accomplish and do but it takes time to learn and understand what we actually were given and what we have and instead of people that are looking to read everything on the surface without grasping and understanding what

the words truly truly mean and getting a proper interpretation which is not everybody's fault because a lot of the interpretations or man made derivatives that are full of it when you actually get the full understanding and grasp it there is not one thing that you could ever read or do that is more

enlightening more fulfilling and I always say there's no handbook to life because of the situations

“and scenarios but if you want to close this thing to it I assure you my friends that is it”

I've read the new testament cover to cover the old testament's a little trickier but I have and I it has shaped and made my foundation so strong and I am so equipped I used to get so stressed and not that I don't because I still do but so stressed so worried

I'm all that that's all I have to do that I'm not the one in control here but I trust and I believe I'm telling you guys every single thing I do just falls right into place because I just I just am guided now I mean I don't walk into here no one we're going to talk about any of this but you

you know I'm always ready to talk about any of it and it's not because I'm so great or so smart

or any of that it's just because I trust and I know that I'm equipped for whatever it is I don't think I'm anything special I'm just another dude that's good at what I do that has a good following

“of people that I think that I relate with I'm I am only special as the next person because we”

were all created with something special to give to everybody and that's it and I think that everybody would be healthier if we all lived like that you know and we're compassionate and loving and and care for for other people and saw their strengths and apply to everything that we do you know in communication and relationship wise because this is not at all what I anticipated this

was going to be but here here's what I'm hearing for our audience your health your metabolic health

starts with your attitude yes give thanks I recently saw a a study and I don't I didn't go into the details I don't know how rigorous the study was but the just a bit was saying yes thank you every time something crappy happens results in better outcomes for those who practice it yes thank you it was a fascinating fascinating thesis fascinating study but I can see echoes of of that and what you're saying I can look at my life I tell people

the worst things that ever happened to me were the best things to ever happen to me thank you had I known at the time that Jack this this absolute nightmare you feel like you're in is going to end up being an indescribable and imaginable blessing maybe I wouldn't have been quite so stressed

“out but that's been how I've seen life is that the worst things to happen to be were the best”

things to happen to me and let me tell you that's how health comes from that doesn't it yes listen you imagine this scenario you imagine that you are and I'm from Des Moines Iowa right so it's not a huge place but it you know it's a decent size as big a city in Iowa but it's still Iowa and so you imagine that I'm coming from there I'm a flown to Milan to become a fashion model at the Mecca of modeling I'm starting to do acting on my Disney for soap operas I you know I'm

rolling around and basically just thinking I'm the king of the world right and then you imagine having all of this and then one day not only is it gone but you're sleeping below a murderer that was in there for life that had just murdered somebody with rats running across the floor in a cell

“that has a crack and it's all the cold there's coming in and then the the winter there's or the”

summer there's no air and it's 100 and whatever degrees you got the worst food on the planet anything and everything under the sun so you imagine going from that to that and the it sounds like absolute hell and it is but you imagine what that taught me and the appreciation that gave me

for everything that I prior had that I never appreciated and then once I got out my how my outlook

on life changed and then you take into account well had I not gone to prison I would have never got sent to Maui to meet my wife who was put here for a specific reason in the way that we work together and what she's done for me I wouldn't be talking to you guys because I certainly wouldn't be doing any of this who knows what the hell I would have been doing or where I would have went and I would have never gotten into any of the things that I was put here to do and had the ability

to not just talk about health and fitness no no to get people on the right path in their life spiritually too because for me I talk about mind body connection but this is it starts here and it goes boom boom spirit mind body I can fix your mind all day I can fix your diet you're training all day but if we're not right spiritually I don't care what anybody says it's going to be a struggle to fix the other two and I learned this through my hardships just like the heart stuff

think about the stuff I'm able to talk about that I learn from and then because I'm the way I am I push myself into talk to experts and learn from them I had these happen and caught them early

that I have to deal with that happened to me for a reason and that's why I'm here you know I want

“to do just go back to the accountability piece as well and let's tie that back to health”

where do you see that you know people's lack of accountability having negative impacts on their health journeys well think about it if you're not accountable and you're overweight you're going to blame it on something else right you're not going to take responsibility for your own doing your diet now let's obviously factor out medical conditions that maybe that are causing you to be overweight let's forget about that let's just talk about everybody else that's not

accountable or the people that don't ever go work out or don't ever train or people that think that

you can take a magic pill or supplement that end up causing themselves harm or actually causing regression for instance and I talked about the positives of GOP ones because they're there and present but the people that rely on those and then when they have to stop taking them not and they come back worse off gaining more weight than they had when you're not accountable for your diet when you're not accountable for your lack of motivation to get moving and go work out when you don't

have that then how are you ever going to get better I mean look it it takes a strong individual to

be consistent with diet and training both it very well does but you have to be aware of the fact

that hey I have to do this I'm lacking here I can't just make excuses over and over because it's it's not getting any better and blaming everybody else for everything once again it falls into this like like you brought up you have to take control and you have to to ask yourself and this is what

“I always tell people what's more important to you your health or the beer that you have to go out”

and have or whatever it is you know whatever your little vices that you do that's just taken away from your health people will tell me they don't have time they don't have this you do have time go to better you and get up earlier make the time we all have it you just have to make it what are you doing that's detrimental or not benefiting your health that you could cut out I guarantee you there's no human alive that can't go down their daily routine and find something that they could dispose of

that's not helping them that they could replace with a little bit of extra working out a little bit of extra time to cook you know you've heard it all feel oh you know well my my kids are eating this so I have to eat this no you don't one why are you feeding your kids that crap and two if you are no you don't have to eat that no you do not know you do not that is just that is one of those lack of accountability excuses you know and it just goes down the line I say all of these things again not

because I'm lecturing or because I'm so great is because I messed all this up so many times and I've seen so many others do it so I come from I come and I take a different approach to everything I talk about I'm the guy that went through all this on the street I'm the guy that's got all the book smarts but I also have all of the the real life experiences good bad and ugly and indifferent I don't speak from anything other than real life experiences and I shoot the shit as straight as you're ever

going to get it shot you're probably not going to like it half the time and I really don't care because

“my only goal is to tell you what you need to hear I don't care what you want to hear I really”

don't because it doesn't help there's a lot of stuff I want to hear but it's not going to help me if it's not true so I mean accountability it relates to everything and really health is one of the top things that it accounts to yeah and I think you know the other aspect of that is people expecting others right to fix the problem for them right you know it my doctor has to make me healthy right or you know you know I need the medication to make me healthy right and people

not realizing the power that they have within themselves to make themselves healthy and yeah admittedly right not everyone's going to do the hours and hours of research like you do right but just the basic thing of you know when you're going to the doctor it shouldn't be to say you know what can you do for me to make me healthy it should be how can you help me understand you know my condition and what I can do to you know make myself healthier you damn right and that's that's it that's it

own research looking into things having other alternatives in mind you know how many times I've

“gone into the doctor and said hey man like I'm not the doctor but I I've looked into this”

quite a bit what's your thoughts don't be a jerk and act like you know everything don't disrespect the doctor but go in there and and express what's your concerns are what you found they're either going to say oh okay are they're going to say oh no you know that's whatever but at least I ask I mean like I said what he's scared of if the doctor A is a jerk about it or acts a certain way go find a different one it's not hard you're not

married to any doctor or anything you normally most people unless you're in Utah or some strange country you only got one spouse you know so I mean just you don't need to worry about that stuff just move on and go find a different one that's it so I mean I think people are fearful honestly like they get scared and they just like to take orders don't put his in charge of you but you

“you got to remember that you know I answered and worked for God and that is it otherwise I”

take control of everything and that's what I always tell everybody especially my loved ones

well so and so said this we'll get out of there leave you know you know many times people have said to me that that I'm coaching you know prior especially I'd say this is the blood panels I want you to go get for me well the doctor wants to know why I want this or I don't need that I said hey it's not that they're concerned why you want it it's because you want it because you want to know all of your numbers and be up there telling you you can't take your ass somewhere else

or get online the beauty now is you can get online and go order whatever you want I mean there's a million slides you can do that on but prior it wasn't that easy you know and there were only a couple places you could even do that from it was so expensive so you know that they don't need to tell you that you know you don't need that or why do you want it no no that's not acceptable it's because you want it because you want to know so you know that's it just accountability

“and everything that comes to your health you have to have it you do wow the silence here is”

intentional folks yeah that's that's the mic drop moment you know this is this has just been an amazing conversation I think there's so much more that we can get into and we're going to have to have you back on and you do into you know more of the the all of the interesting stuff that you talk about but let's let's let people know where they can where they can find more of this where they can you're more about what you do and where's the best place to be following you

at you know Dylan Jamelli podcast on Apple for all of my episodes Instagram's the best place where I do the most posting where you actually get me I post on TikTok but I despise TikTok and

if you message me on there you'll never get a response because I don't look and I don't care

to look and then Facebook and then Dylan Jamelli biohacking on YouTube and Dylan Jamelli.com those are all the places I speak a lot of biohacking conventions moderate panels and yeah I kind of getting around and talking more as opposed to just the interview and then I really just hope it resonates I don't do it for anything other than to provide people with inspiration and a different way of looking at life this is a has been a different way of reviewing recovering

your health start by taking a responsibility or your health where you're at right now wow I could I could just go I could go so deep on somebody at these individual issues since we are apparently in the same town I'm going to call you and say hey let's go have dinner and yeah

anytime man Bill thanks man this again I'm never disappointed with our guests often surprised but

this one was this was seriously cool that makes my day guys it really does and I just love doing this and especially with with now another new friend but with Phil who was already a friend anything I can never do or offer you know I always make time for everybody so thank you for having me all right well for Dr. Philip Oveidia for Dylan Jamelli this has been the stay-off my operating table podcast thanks for joining us y'all uh who aren't subscribing yet you're probably

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