Episode #123 Featuring Dr. Jin-Xiong She! Inside the mind of a world renowned NAD+ EXPERT! Everything you need to know about NAD+!!

- All right, everybody, welcome back to the Dillon Jamelli podcast.

So, I always say this, and it's a fact.

“I am one of the most blessed individuals on the planet”

because of the people that I get to speak to and learn from, and the minds that I talk to that have so much wealth of information. And today, just sit back, ditch popcorn out and get ready

because you are about to have someone unload information on you on one of my favorite topics, which is NAD. But he's got far more going than that. And he has helped me in a variety of ways on just a few phone calls. He's got an extensive blood panel.

He just ran on me that we're gonna go through and he's gonna fix me up a little bit. But I'm gonna give him a short intro. I can't really do this man justice. You're gonna see right away at the brilliance

and we're gonna have a phenomenal conversation. So, he is a PhD, he's a leading geneticist, he's a biomedical researcher, and he is the founder and CEO of Genfinity Precision Medicine. And I can tell you because I've been using Genfinity

for a month now, and we're gonna talk about some of those products. This is one of the best brands that I've ever encountered. And I don't see that lightly because I've been doing this 20 years. He's got over 40 years of academic research experience.

And right now, he's focusing on aging biology and intrusuular NAD metabolism. I'm gonna just drain him for information today. So my friends, welcome my new good friend. Dr. Shin-Jong-Gi.

- Thank you very much, Guinness. It's my pleasure to be with you, Caday. - Thank you for coming to see me, Dr. Jin, and let me just say this. I appreciate and value the conversations

that I've had with you. You've been so kind to me, given me the amount of time on my own personal blood work and also the education that I desire because as you and I know,

“I think one of the most polarizing topics”

and all of really health. I don't wanna say just biohacking is NAD. - Absolutely.

- First of all, I wanna talk to you

about how long you've been studying NAD and why what drew you to kind of, because you have such an abundant amount of research, why NAD? - I've been studying NAD in particular

for the last eight or years or so. So about eight or years ago, I just got into NandriVT and underaging and for somewhat a selfish reason. You know, a lot of 64 years ago in this year.

And I was like many people not getting younger and I said, no, this is not the right way to age and I wanted to reverse the process and do much better. The problem that NAD will have today is, yeah, we're living longer, but we're not living healthier

and the health spend, what the number of years that we are free of major diseases has actually shortened in the last, and there's a couple of decades, even though we're living on average, much longer.

So the problem is we are not

doubling the health lifestyle. Our further supply is depleted of micronutrients, we really have to reverse these process so we can leave not only longer, but much, much better and healthier.

NAD's water I wanted to do for myself. I said, well, if I can help myself, maybe one day, I can help others. The second is, what I do is, I have a study in the literature,

are many, many papers and that have been published. And I want you to use my expertise, which is in biomarkers, and I spend 40 years to discover new biomarkers and also to implement biomarker testing

in a clinical setting. And I have gone through thousands and thousands who potential biomarkers for longevity

“and I came up with 10 most important biomarkers,”

that we really have to test, but many of them were not available for patients or consumers. Guess what, NAD came to the very top of the list.

I mean, you know, not about NAD, your audience was not about NAD, but that's because NAD is such important molecule. It is involved in the function of over five and new different enzymes.

That's how important it is. We can talk a little more about it.

“You know, what's the most important in the functions?”

And the second problem is with the, that's what we aged. And also, as we, our health deteriorates,

the only thing that never goes down,

the kind with age and with health status. Most people only know NAD is deficient in older people, but forget that unhealthy individuals or individuals with certain health conditions are also very deficient in NAD,

even if they are very young, this young is two year old, three year old. Wow, they can be very deficient. So, our demand for NAD goes up as we age, but the supply of the building blocks

for our sales to make NAD actually goes down. So you have a demand and the supply imbalance. That's why sublimating for NAD is absolutely required, as we age, as our health has become this healthy.

- So it's inevitable that NAD levels

are going to decline as we age it. So at a certain point, it's just gonna happen. - No matter what. - So we have testing almost 100,000 people. And in adults, over the age of 30,

I only have two individuals, two individuals, who are not taking the NAD sublimant role and kind of the only treatment, and they have optimal levels of NAD. Wow, two out of 10,000 of the thousands of people.

- Why is it that it took all this time for people to really start understanding and talk about it? Because, I mean, I've been in the health space for 15, 20 years and I really, I knew about it a little bit earlier than I think it was more mainstream,

but honestly not a lot. - The only thing it's not really new.

“The only thing it's been used in clinical service”

for at least a four decades, really. - Yeah, and NAD is actually a proof of the drug to treat the heart failure in China. - Wow, decades ago. And only the IV has been used to treat

new surgical conditions, addiction, and diamonds disease in the United States, three, four decades ago. And I have worked with many of the pioneers in the field. And so you had a heads up on things there.

- Oh, so yeah, it's not new. It has become increasingly popular in the last 10 years. In recent, I think it's a part of the deal to COVID. If there's anything positive associated with COVID, is the understanding or the acknowledgement

of the importance of the chaos by the general public. So, it is becoming more and more recognized and popular in the last two to three years

“because we part of me, we have better solutions”

to, I would say, optimize only the levels. Optimization is really the keywater to me. And the solutions are getting better. More importantly, we now have the methodologies to test only the levels.

And I'm happy to say that I made some contribution to the field, but introducing the first interested only the test that can be done for patients and for consumers. We launched the first and only the test

about six years ago, with the testing data, people understand better than how the vision and the are. And they can work so monitor what's in there doing anything good with their products when they are at the methodologies.

- I can't test because when I got the blood panel back from you and I started to read it, and I've been doing blood panel analysis since 2013, so I've been doing it a pretty long time, and there are several tests on there.

I've never seen, and I'd hate to admit that,

but I mean, I'm being honest, like there was a few things in there, and I was going, huh? And I went through and read your descriptions and then it made sense to me,

but I didn't, I'd never heard of 'em. I mean, that's how good that test is and how deep it is because, you know, you know this, I mean, most doctors have their CBC and their CMP

and get a full panel, but that was even more intense

than anything I've ever seen. - Yeah, the best functional medicine or under-education medicine doctors come to humanity because of the unique biomarkers that we have developed,

and we have biomarkers in eight of major categories, and that has some that everyone should have paid attention to. - Yeah. - There's a microtuneal trend in putting in the vitamin D, other vitamins and the oxidants,

and then we have macro nutrients in the native biomarkers, you know, carbohydrates, and deep heat panels, and information, everyone talks about the information, but very few people know that chronic information actually comes primarily from cellular citizens,

what's on these cells and oxidative stress,

and they're the most, you know,

other company vessels in the biomarkers.

“And then you have to worry about hormones, specials,”

that's a new longevity hormone that's called coastal, and it's becoming very, very popular, and we have to worry about toxins, you know, microprostics, and they are not for other biomarkers that are related to organ function

that many conventional laboratories can test as well. So we folks on the root causes for age-new native diseases, while most other testing companies focus on the diagnosing diseases.

We don't focus on diagnosis of disease, we want to figure out what causes the diseases. When you treat the root of the causes, you can have much better outcomes, and you can also prevent much more severe problems,

years or decades in the future. - And that's the beauty of it, is that you're staying ahead of the curve and you're giving people a fighting chance. - Yeah.

- You know, instead of waking up one day and just going, "Holy shit, what am I going to do?" 'Cause I don't, I don't subscribe to that. I want to know well ahead of time. So what you're doing is great,

and I'm glad you brought the cloth, the wapai. That was one of the ones when I was leaving today, and I went back and looked and I said, "Oh, man, I'm in the green on that one. I'm so happy, shootin' her like,

"Can you tell people a little bit about what that is?" - Well, closely it's a longevity gene, a longevity protein. So the protein, the name for the gene, comes from a great goddess,

that controls how many years you have. There's three goddess, not control how many years we live. Okay, two sisters. And Koso is the youngest one, and she gave us a number of years

that you can live and her sisters can modify it. So that's how Koso, important Koso is, but in terms of signs, if you need a gene in, let's say, a mouse model, and mice develop premature aging phenotype,

like what we see in humans. And if you over express the Koso gene in mice, their lifespan is extended by over 30%. Wow.

“So we now know that not only Koso is important”

for aging how many years you can live by also native to the function of many different organs, especially kidney function. Now 70% of patients with chronic kidney disease is a deficient in Koso, really.

Yeah, and cancer patients, and about a 70-75 cancer patients are deficient, extremely deficient in Koso. Wow, but 10% of cancer patients are extremely high in Koso as well.

So there's a very narrow window, naturally you want your Koso level to be in. To need to obviously it's not good, but to high it's also not good.

Okay, more is not always better.

I always say that no, more is not always better for almost anything, that's right. If I would define the optimal range, well, I was in the greens. You're working the green, I guess.

I have a question to go back on something that you said that I really would like to know firsthand here, and you brought up that NAD was used for heart failure in China, correct? So I think the U.S. was willing.

I didn't count it up. Okay, so what kind of effect are we talking here? Like, eating an effect on ejection fraction,

“or what is it making the heart's ability to pump stronger?”

About a one year ago, major people was a published by the sick children hospital in Canada at Toronto. And what they have found is the number one risk factor for heart failure is the neck of energy due to NAD deficiency. Really, yes.

showing that you can increase NAD levels

“to prevent heart failure and also to treat patients”

with heart failure. Because the root cause of heart failure is because the heart muscles are not able to produce enough energy. You know, any cells or cells can not function properly

without enough energy, right? Yeah, it's like your carbon wrong if you don't have a gas name, right? So without NAD, you can not produce ATP. ATP is the energy currency for our cells.

NAD is a deficient, you can not produce enough ATP and you have all kinds of problems. And if the heart is the deficient in NAD, you may develop a heart failure.

I stopped the guardians for the ejection fraction

because it was having a bad reaction to it. And I had been taken this now for a month. So I go back in five months to retest. So no, a little test you. No, I'm gonna test you after the conversation.

No, I mean the body of the grad is five in my, so that's plenty of time for it to get worried. Yeah, I wanna see, yeah, yeah, oh yeah. No, okay, all right, great. So multi-faceted function and need in necessity

for NAD, it's not just for the anti-aging qualities. There's a lot of other things that we're looking at that it can do, right? What? So many potential benefits

of form optimize the NAD levels. The benefits goes from A to W, not the X, Y to U. I cannot find anything for X, Y to U, okay? I have a non-list and it's pretty much anything you can imagine, so over 20 benefits then.

No way, more and more than that. I don't remember everything, but we can go through it. The number one benefit is energy. I mean, that's the number one function for this. Is that mitochondrial or?

It is mostly in the mitochondrial, because 80% of 80% of 80% produced in the mitochondrial, with the help of NAD. So energy production, so number one, you know, 70% of patients who go see the doctor complain about being tired, 70%.

We can fix at least 90% of the needs of 70% of people. Really? Yeah. Because most people that come to me that say they're tired, they want testosterone.

They think they need testosterone replacement therapy. That's their quick fix. That's a quick fix, but you don't fix the fundamental problem. I'm not against the testosterone.

“I mean, I think when it's a deficient, no doubt about it.”

Not everybody needs it. Not everybody needs it, you do not need to get a way way too high. Some people want to get in a way way too high. And the number one problem for fatigue is any deficiency. That's just no doubt about it.

Obviously, there are other issues. Of course, there are other side of the hormone deficiencies and the testosterone and there are other contributing factors for sure. But the number one reason for chronic fatigue is only the deficiency. And we can fix it so easily now.

Wow. Does NAD have any effects on hormones like testosterone, like estrogen or anything like that? It can improve with the hormone balance, but there's no direct in the coordination.

Okay. I didn't think so, but I wanted to make sure. Okay. So energy, what else would you say or some maybe that people aren't aware of?

“I'll talk about the three most important in the world.”

Okay.

So the second one I would say is cognitive function.

It's a huge one and it provides a notal benefit for memory, for mental clarity, brain fog, and dementia, Parkinson's patient. Everything really needs an Indonesian to bring function. That's a second category.

The third category is sleep. People can have better sleep. I personally experience warmness benefits, obviously. Then you may be surprised by the fact that NAD can help women with the infertinity issues.

Really? Yeah. Wow. Okay. So that's probably a surprise.

The next one is we talk about the people, the pollockers, NAD can relieve energy and asthma symptoms. And my asthma, I had asthma for 20 years.

Wow.

And by basically two supplements, many NAD

and the second one is a natural and the histamine, as we have one here, good. So what's really important is, if you want to have great benefits, only this is the fundamental, it's very important.

But depending on the health issues people have, you may want to combine with one or a couple other supplements that provide the synergistic of a function. Wow. So on the women's side, what about like menstrual cycle

“regulation, does it help with better just fertility?”

Men's just cycle and items and there's no evidence of it. Okay, but lower fertility issues, does that do it for men too or just women? For men, there's no data.

I think there's actually some reports on sperm numbers

and the quantity and I personally don't have any data. I was going to do a study, but there is not too many studies. Too many studies are able to do. Most people, I think that when they think about NAD, they think about anti-aging or they call it

fountain of youth or anything like the what effect does NAD have directly on our aging process? Does it make us age slower? Does it make us age more gracefully? Does it add more quality?

Years to our life? What is the main benefit there? I don't think of NAD as an anti-aging. You don't, okay. No, I'm not.

So that's a misconception. Not necessarily because anti-aging is too broad to vague and I do not want to focus on vague issues. I want to provide the tangible benefits that people can feel and they,

I want to help people to do better now and to reverse their health condition. Look, everyone in their 50s, some people in their 40s and 30s already have plenty of sub-optimal health issues

and I want to fix those and I want them to perform much much better. For me, I'm 64 years old, I am in many aspects. I'm doing better than my studies and the best example is my tennis game.

Everything has a thousand clunk

“because how do you know you are doing better, right?”

But my, I know my tennis game is much better now than my, is everyone has some issues. Everyone has a different set of issues. I'm rather prefer to focus on what the benefits I can provide them now.

How can a cabinet to manage their health conditions and reverse certain conditions? And then we can talk about prevention. Prevention is very important but unfortunately most of people don't care about prevention.

It's been really interesting, okay? You know, in my view, when we talk about issues, we want people to understand and be able to practice, not just talk about it and we have to be realistic. We want to, most of the people don't need much longer

but I don't think about how many years I want to need every day. I do think about how, how am I doing every day? How can I do better every day? The performance and the health span

“are much, much more important than how many years I want to need.”

That's my, that's my view. Now, I don't think, and it necessarily can extend lifespan. The argument about that cannot extend lifespan or can extend lifespan is a more important to me.

I not prefer to focus on what health benefits can provide by extending health span. Consequently, you are going to extend lifespan but we are now going to be able to imagine lifespan at missing human population anytime soon,

because it's not possible. It's not possible. We're not possible in a white bottle to debate. Yeah, that's a more academic, philosophical debate that I'm usually not interested being thought of.

There's too many different moving parts with too many different people.

They just could never assess it.

So it wouldn't even be fair what even we worth the try. What about inflammation? Because you and I both know that that means that truly the core key cause of all diseases and so many people walk around and flame, it's insane.

I've seen so many panels like the HSC or P panels that are just like, whoa, okay, I see the problem. And does any of you have any effect on keeping that lower or improving it? So, indeed, the other five major anti-infinimitory

properties and I think it's the main,

synonymous in essence and that's going to be major.

Would you tell people what cellular synonymous is? - Right. - Synonymous in essence are sometimes called them zombie cells. And those are cells age and they are programmed to die.

And when in certain unhealthy conditions, these cells that are programmed to die, we feel to die. So what's the consequence? The consequence is,

they sit near, they cannot carry out near proper function. They are not bad, but they are not healthy either. So they just act like a zombie. That's where the zombie cell name comes from. And more importantly than being a zombie,

if you are just a zombie fine, right?

But they actually create a not-of-infinimitory products

like infinimitory cytokines.

“That's why it's a major contributing factor”

to coordinate information. So that's the way age. And also, in individuals with health condition, including cancer. And the zombie cell level is much larger higher.

How do you clear those out? How do you get rid of them? - This is one of the products that can actually help to clear the zombie cells. They are more natural ways and safer ways to do it.

And they are also some pharmaceuticals that may help clear the zombie cells. And I usually prefer the more natural ways. And I am not willing to go to the aggressive, unsafe treatment for the zombie cells.

Very often compare the zombie cells and the cancer cells. But you don't want them. So the cancer cells are growing like crazy, right? Zombie cells don't divide, they don't grow.

“And they don't both cell types don't have normal functions.”

And in order to clear the cancer cells, what zombie cells, you have a very tiny window because the difference between cancer cells and normal cells or zombie cells and normal cells are actually quite small in terms of response

to treatment. So you have to be very careful. Only care the cells you don't want, but don't damage the cell. - Really, you don't want the care, but yeah.

- And you're saying that that's easy to do. Actually, it's very, very difficult. Look at how many scientists we have worldwide working on cancer for how long? 10% of the scientists working on the problem for decades

and decades, we still don't have the perfect solution. What we have chose to start working on in zombie cells in the last five, 10 years. And it's still a very small number of scientists that are involved in the field.

And we're going to get a better. The good news is we actually have some pretty safe and good ways to reduce the zombie cell burden. - Is there a way to test for zombie cells, just in that sense?

- Yeah, we do. And we have your test here. - And infinity is the only company in that a contest in essence and level system white. - I want to shift gears here a little bit now,

because you and I have talked about this and I've talked about it at a pretty good length, because I get pretty upset with the way people get misled and taken advantage of, I've been around supplements for,

I really started to study supplements pretty hardcore in like 2012, 'cause I was going to Mr. Olympia of Vance and I was around, that's where I was around. And I quickly learned how messed up,

like the whole, I call it the whole game, 'cause it is a game, really. I mean, if you think about it, it's a game, it's a cat and mouse game, it's who's got the most money

who kind of can market the best and often times. And I hate to say this 'cause I wish it wasn't a swivers, there's a lot of misleaving information, which then tricks people into thinking something that's just not true.

And I've kind of found it when something gets really popular that we know it helps that people take advantage of people.

“And so I think it's important with you as an expert”

to kind of give an understanding of NAD, how it actually works. And I'm talking like precursors and explaining what that means. And I would really like you to talk about

this regular taking regular NAD versus a precursor and then also one of the big questions

that I always get is about IVs and injections.

and explain how efficient those are or not. - Yeah, yeah, well, I will cover that, but I want to respond to what you said

“and because I think it's very important to me, please.”

And the common conception is supplemented on the world. - Yeah. - And I agree. I totally agree supplement on the market by the NAD on the world and it's a waste of money

as it relates to NAD or ingested role. It's just an ingredient, not just an ingredient, you're gonna get people nightmare doctor. - No, I am, but I'm gonna give you a solution. - Okay, okay, I'll tell you why most supplements

on the market don't work, please.

The first reason is you don't know

what you need to take if you don't test and you really have to find out what you're deficient in, taking a supplement to correct the problem that doesn't exist is not gonna give you any benefit. That's the first reason.

The second reason is, obviously quantity of ingredients,

“the formulation of these are very important”

is much a difficult thing for people to judge. The third point is the dosing recommended by the vendors. It's a way, way, way of. Many people say, my doctor told me this, my doctor told me that I'm, I'm gonna educate the doctors.

I made the thousands of the doctors. I'm not gonna feed medical doctors for myself, but I educate the doctors. And doctors don't know anything about nutrition or supplements

and they are always against the supplements.

Right knee cell or wrong knee cell, as it is both, right knee cell because most of the supplements on the market don't work, and wrong knee cell because supplements actually can work very well if you do it right.

The way to do it right is find out what you need, supplement for what you're deficient in as the first one. The second one is pick it right at the bottom. That's easy to set and then down, but that never way to do it.

But most importantly, you really have to find out the optimum dosing for each individual. How much you need may be totally different from how much I need or not the person needs.

If you don't use it right to dosing, in most cases, you are not taking enough, you get no benefit. In or case you need, you are taking the way to much biohakers,

if you're biohakers around the careful. I test so many biohakers, so many of you, are actually having yourself more than helping yourself. I'm looking at the nominees. It's very important.

I see so many people, so many biohakers with kidney optimal function, too much, too much. The way way too much, if you're taking 30, 40, 50 supplements without knowing what you need the name or not,

and I think you may want to take some tests, figure out what you need, figure out what the supplement is actually working for you or not. That's usually my first recommendation when people come to me for advice.

“Find out what you need to do it properly.”

These are the reasons why supplements don't work but we can make them work very well. We know how to get them to work. Now I'm going to come to your question. It's one, we made it.

Talk about five points. I don't want to dominate the conversation. No, no, I don't want to be systematic. So we can cover them, please. The first one is,

only the can deliver incredible benefits

with what it covered in this point. But you can only get a niche in incredible benefits. When you're only the level is optimized. You cannot just ring them or take the only product

and hope for what benefits that are possible. It's like optimization as a second and point. To be optimized, we have done extensive studies. We know we define the optimum range for an AD between 40 and 100 micrmoner.

I can tell you why. The first piece of data we have is 75% of teenagers have an AD levels above 40 micrmoner. Okay. And that's nothing enough.

Let's go one piece of data. The second piece of data that's more important is, when we get an AD levels above 40,

If it's still in lower than 40,

some people may experience some benefits, but not if you notice a difference, I know you're going to be in the 50s or 60s. So if I can get you're going to be in the 50s or 60s and almost like me, you're going to experience some benefits.

So it's based on at what level you start experiencing benefits from an AD product. Now, if you have been taking only the product for years and years, you don't notice any difference, it's probably not working.

Get a test of that, you will find out. So, it's necessary to be able to get a benefit.

“The third point I want to make is the only way”

to optimize an AD level is through testing, because I cannot predict as much study I have done. I cannot predict how much each person needs to take to get an AD optimized. And I have some ideal population average,

but when it comes down to one specific person, I do not know, and here I test them after the treatment. It's supplementation with some other protocols.

So that's the third point.

The fourth point that most people don't know is, if you get the only the optimized, every other protocol that you do can function more effectively. So, only the is requirement is a cornerstone in my view for all health optimization programs.

And I will have another data, right? The final point is, if you really want to get a benefit from an AD, you have to be what we call a PNC. What's a PNC, persistent, and the consistent, I like it. All right, and if you are not a consistent,

it's very hard to get a benefit, or maintain the AD levels at the optimum range. We know, if you start taking the product, your AD level goes down by about 5% every day. - Back quickly, not the quickening.

- So, five, three, four weeks, you have gone back to baseline. - Wow, so that's like a lifelong thing, it's a lifelong thing. - Okay.

- I mean, this is a question that I get all the time. Should I take it every day? Should I take it every day?

“Should I take it every day for the rest of my life?”

Sing about, this is just a micro-neutral. - Yeah. - It's like a food. - Yeah, you may want to have an intermittent fast, and then maybe helpful, but if you don't eat for a few days,

you're not going to survive. - So, it's safe to take every day forever. - I've been taking it for five years, and some people have been taking it for decades. - Yeah.

- It's a product, it's a compound that's in our body. It's a part of our body, you don't have enough. When, let's wait age, and let's wait our health deteriorates. I mean, it's not a foreign compound. It's a part of our body.

That's why it's safe in the non-term. So, these are the five major points that we should remember, specifically for only the body, for all other supplements in general. - How quickly it can drop?

“Yeah, that's one of those ones I wasn't fully aware of,”

but they can drop that fast. So, you could spend months building it and just that quickly gone. - Yeah, wow. - Okay, well, if you're listening,

and you're taking it, and you see good levels, don't think that that's a ticket to stop, because it's not, because you're going to be disappointed if you retested a month, because you're probably going to be back to where you were.

- It's not a drug, it's, well, what? Not treating these symptoms. What, treating, what, correcting the problem? - The root problem. - Yeah.

- The good thing is, as we know how to correct it, the bad thing is, as you just better stay on. And right, that we just stay consistent, but consistency is everything that we do in life. You're not consistent, you're just,

you know, consistency and the persistence. - Yeah, I mean, this are, the most difficult thing to do for everyone. You couldn't even, you know, I'm not going to tell people that I'm perfect.

- No. - But, what are you meant? - With my only disappointment,

I almost never, never forget,

and at one time, I forgot to take a photo with me, and I didn't take it for a couple of days. Otherwise, for the last five years, I never forget.

because it tastes so damn good,

and I don't never get any treats,

so that's like a little treat to me, so I'll never forget that. I can promise you, as long as my wife stops stealing it, I'll have plenty. - We'll get into that too, so I wanna talk about that.

But, would you talk about the precursor, so that would be like an amen and an R,

“and why you need to take those as opposed”

to just take an NAD? - They are so many different ways, so many different approaches on the market, most of the people get confused. - Yeah, I'll try to help you, and the audience,

to classify the different ways. The first one is you have different products that can be used. We have the only molecule, and then we have what's called the NAD precursors.

I just smaller chemicals that our cells can use to build the only molecule, and they're a number of them. In their mind, it takes only one step to make an NAD from England, in R, and you can take two steps to make an NAD,

and now you also have a NAD. - Yeah. - And that can be converted into a NAD, and you have NARS and one of the techniques as it, and that can be used as a precursor.

- The third thing is how our body makes most of the NAD

we need without supplementing, which is the other supplementing. - Really?

“- Yeah, because everybody's putting on the bunden in our food.”

- Yeah. - But it's not a efficient, it can be used to make some other molecules as a mass competition. It's not a very effective one.

It's some of the test-stations which we used to formulate would have tripped a fan in it. - Yeah, yeah. - So, so these are the few building blocks, or precursors that can be used.

The second is how you deliver this very complex. You can deliver through the IV. So now, only the IV, in filtering of the NAD molecule has been used for four decades, right? But five years ago, they were started on NAMN IV in Japan.

And now one company, I'm not gonna see the name, is promoting NAD infusing. - Really? - Yeah. - So IV infusing, and then there's a sub-q-tendious injection.

Only the NAD plus the molecule has been tried so far.

“I don't know if anyone's injecting in NAMN IV or NAMN IV.”

And this I'm not a well-off end. So now, patches, people try to deliver the NAD molecule with patches, right? There's a repository, yes. I'm gonna pass on that.

You're gonna pass on that, what? And there's a spring. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Well, I know. - That's mostly NAD molecule.

- Yeah. - And this was mostly for sub-lement. - Okay. - Now all the sub-lement based on NAD NAMN, NAD NAMN, and the container mine, and so, whoa, nice.

I'll try to summarize the water window, please. IV infusing of anything. - NAMN NAMN NAMN NAMN, NAD, that's not inquis. Interested in the NAD at all. - Nothing.

- Nothing. - Really? - Yeah, that's not. - So why did so many people say,

'cause I always get this, and I want you.

You'll be able to answer this. - I failed so good after I took an NAD IV injection. I failed so great, I can't believe it. Why do they do that? - So to the number of people who experience

benefits, I don't deny that, and they are equal number for people who say in the field NAD thing, or they have not said the effects, and there's folks on the people who may experience some benefits or not of benefits.

And there are a few reasons. The first one is, if you infuse anything, just the same thing, yeah, I'm gonna feel better. Let me put in this one. So they are receptors on the own cells

and the immune cells for the NAD molecule. So even though that's not increased, the intracelled NAD, the binding of the NAD to the receptors can potentially provide some benefits. - Okay.

- That's the possibility. And also the NAD problem with the NAD, the infusion is the molecule has a very short half-life, six hours. So after in one day, 24 hours, you have half the thing

amount of four times, if you do the mess, and most Americans don't do the mess way well.

Now, we've reached the truth. We'll ask the biggest truth. I'm making a lot of enemies. It's okay, but it's the truth. After four cycles of half, you have only about five percent

left in the blood. So the bottom nine is a great, very quick in the blood. Okay, it's like a good reaction that goes away. - It's a good reaction, goes away. And then in the top, in the table, nice.

Let's just make some boundary of functions as well.

The problem is, it's very short enough

that if you are getting a benefit and if you have new nodular conditions, only the IV may help, not saying only the IV is completely useless. What I'm trying to tell people,

very clearly is, if you want an injury with the purposes, if you want the performance,

“you must get the intracellent only the up.”

Because 90% of the function for the only D is through intracellent only D, not to the extracellent only D, that the camp continues to provide some benefits. If you don't get your intracellent only up,

you're not getting all the benefits from an AD. You are missing big time. - Well, you're defeating the purpose if you're not going for the long term goal. You're just getting a short term quick fix.

It's gonna dissipate and go away and then you're gonna be right back to square one. - You've been really willing to optimize the only D intracellent in the IV. You'll help the inject everything.

I was gonna just say that, then that it doesn't have like every single day. The half life is that short. Then you have no choice. Like with testosterone,

because I studied for years testosterone

“masters and how to efficiently keep levels,”

baseline so you're not peeking and traffic all the time. And if you don't have the right amount of injection time, like on testosterone stipulated, it says seven to eight, they have life and people want to inject once a week,

but then if they inject Monday by the following Monday, you went, you don't want that, it was no. With many about logical molecules, you don't want to just to cycle,

I blend the tongue, that's not the way. - Not good internally, but it's not good mentally either because you're just all over the place. And then you wonder why your thoughts are all over and you feel like shit half the time is

because you're lacking what you got this great deal of injection on the top and then it's gone. So everything that you felt great on, you're having just an equal deficit and you feel terrible. People don't think that way, it's saying,

"Oh, it feels so good right now." - Yeah, you know, I mean, unfortunately, many people go for the very short of time now hosting kind of a few in the end gotta think. - That's not it's been right the way for non-TV.

- No, so NMN is the best in you,

this is where I've always been told to understand

by everybody that's an expert in the NAD field. Is that NMN was the best pathway to get into ourselves to then let us to release NAD levels and to actually get them going in the right direction. - Yeah, I'm going to be very bonnance,

but you know, the effect, so the best NAD precursors are NMN and NR. - Yeah. - Okay, both can increase NAD levels very efficiently and I personally prefer NMN a little better for two reasons.

The first one is to convert NR into NAD, you need the two enzymes, two steps.

“You have to make an NR to NMN and then you make it”

into NMD and the individuals who are deficient in the enzyme that converts NR to NMN, it's called NR kinase. If NR kinase were in NR case deficient, you are not going to be able to use NR efficient.

- Yeah, but that's not a crucial number of people.

It's a small number of people. The second reason is both NR and NMN, any kind of compound, to have the own biological functions. NMN seems to provide more biological functions so from a functional point of view,

a beneficial point of view, NMN seems to be better than NR. So that's the pure precursors. What do we have found? Why the true books we have, and what's the powder that we make are so much better?

I'll give you the data first. So the NR and NMN that's on the market, increase NMN levels on average for about 40, 50%, that's published by many companies and we have data as well.

But with the formulation that we have with four different ingredients that can work in the artistic knee and provide three different ways for ourselves to make a NMN, we increase the NMN levels by 116% with the powder and over 150% with the true book.

- My favorite.

after we introduce the true book,

we are getting more and more people who are getting nervous the way to height. - Really? - We have to tell them to color down the dosing. - Wow.

Well, that's good to know.

“- No, that's why this is important, because you can open those two high here.”

- No, and the whole thing with the NR is why add the extra step if you don't have to. That's the way I see it. I know it's effective because I've seen people use it and feel great and have good blood panels,

but why add the extra step? - Let's know, there's no reason. I mean, it's for commercial purposes and what's in the art has been on the market in much longer than NMN.

So, now I was introduced to the market about 10 years ago, and it over 10 years now. NMN is more recent, it's a massive, seven, eight years. - What would you say is a good dose daily of NMN? And is it different for men and women or is it just the same?

- If we don't want to get tested, take a thousand milligrams of NMN, a thousand. - Yeah, so if we take a thousand milligrams of pure NMN, you'll have a 50% of a chance to get your NMN optimized. If you take a thousand milligrams in our formula,

you'll have a 70% of a chance to get your NMN optimized. And if you take a true book, a thousand milligrams of NMN, you'll have a 70, you'll have a probability 85, even 90% chance to get your NMN optimized.

- Oh, okay, so I get to eat two, two bowls of eggs. - Zero, no, no, I mean, one is one. It's probably not enough for 90% of the population. - Okay, well, good, that I can have to. - You can take a more.

- Does it matter if you take it a day or night? - That's not really matter. It depends on my recommendation is,

I take it as first one after nine,

because usually in the afternoon, I most of people have a NMG, you want a boost. - Okay. - Then give a very simple suggestion. When you feel that you need a coffee,

go take your true book, instead of a coffee. - And can you split those? Do you need to take it all at once? - You can split it in. - I just want a treat twice a day.

- So it's no, take a two, you take two cabinets. - Yeah, that's a thing. - Can I take one in the morning? - No, I actually recommend that you split it. - Split it, okay.

- Yeah, okay. Whenever you feel you need a boost, take one. Will it interfere with your sleep? - No, okay. - I'll take it back.

- So for most of people, it actually helps them to split better, including me, but for small number of individuals, they said they have so much energy, they cannot stop.

- Okay, so test it out. - In those cases, take the early in the morning. - Okay. - I take one, those people I go to bed. - Okay.

- It helps me to sleep with it. - I'm gonna test it out. - Test it out. - Yeah. - Okay.

Well man, we've already gone over an hour. I can't believe it. That was tremendous. We're probably gonna have to do another one, 'cause I think there's a lot of stuff

we didn't get to cover today. - We can sit up here and talk a few days. - Oh yeah, I've got countless things in my head. I wanna talk about it.

“I just looked up and I was like, oh my, what happens?”

That just goes to show though. I mean, how much knowledge base you have. - Yeah. - And you know, let's just give a people one. Once in, you want to know everything about an AD. I actually, I have the book.

Yeah, and many questions will be answered in this book. The good thing about that book is it's very detailed, but it's very easy to understand at the same time. So the science is in there, but the explanations, it's anybody can read it and understand it

and get a feel for a lot of basic questions that you need and then some things

that you would never have been aware of.

- Yeah, I wanted to make it a little more philosophical and then science, and you thought to have a detailed, the bias, yeah, I think it's forever. - I'm more of a philosophical one. - Yeah, I think it's forever, buddy.

I think that everybody should read it once, get a good understanding, and then take a couple, relook at it, you know, 'cause there's things in there that you might not pick up on that you want to keep re-learning.

I always read stuff over and over

“because you need to just refresh your mind.”

So the company is Ginfinity, and I can tell you because when I let somebody come on here and show products, I have to try them and use them first. I don't just let anybody and come on here and start showing stuff.

I use their tumoric, their creatine, and of course, my favorite in the world, the chewables, but you do have other forms of you have a powder firm. We'll have a powder, yeah. - Yeah, and this is NMN, but the thing...

- I'm gonna point one thing out here that I love, too, is on this one, because you also have creatine D-ribos, and nice cinematic in this, it makes it even stronger.

because I personally need D-ribos that I take for my heart anyway.

So the formula on this is tremendous, and all of your products are formulated so well tested well,

“and they can also get testing kits at Ginfinity, right?”

You're testing. - Yeah, we'll have a two divina test. If we only, if only interesting in the NED, that's a test to get, it's a finger break. - Yeah.

- Where is it to do?

And then we'll have the Neutropeno,

who will 50 divina biomarkers in the cover seal. Some missiles, crystal, oxidative stress, everything, and everything. - And that's what we call it,

“the ultimate Neutropity biomarker panel.”

- I had that done, we'll go through that next time, I go over my results, and we'll also update my NAD test,

and share that after using this for a month,

and then after using it for a few months, 'cause I got to update those. - You got to update those, but I won't get to test it to see what the Neutropeno is at with one tip in it. - Okay.

- So, you see how, you're just in really science. We're doing a very scientific way. - Not really. - No, no guess.

“- I love how thorough I love the insight,”

and I love more than anything, the dedication, to everybody and doing work that's really helping people and opening up their eyes to see and understand how this really works. So, your work is greatly appreciated.

Your friendship is appreciated by me. I'm happy to get you on here to really spotlight this and get a better understanding for everybody. So, I appreciate you coming out to see me, and I'll look forward to carrying on some more

conversations with you. - Thank you very much. I enjoyed all the conversation. - Awesome, man. Well, I'll link to infinity in the description

for everybody to go visit the site, get your tasks, get your products, and stay tuned for Plenty Morticom, Bill and Gemelli, sign it off. (upbeat music)