Episode #98 Featuring Dr. Robin Berzin! THE ULTIMATE HEALTH GUIDE! Anything and everything you need and want to know about functional medicine and taking control of your health!!

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with my special discount. Take control over your health today with a Palo Nero. - All right, everybody, welcome back to the Dylan's Revealty Podcast. So, I have a great story about my guests today

and how I met, well, didn't meet you, but new of you immediately. It's like kind of told you. So, you found me. - I did find you and my wife pointed out

she said, who is that we need to interview her and I'll tell you what happened. So, I told you, I'm a partner with Dr. Dave Raven and you were on that AI panel. It's kind of moderating just handling

and you did tremendous. And I set her a video home and I took a video 'cause I was doing it for Dave to post. And she said, who was that about you? And I said, I don't know why I'm that 100% sure,

so I figured it out, okay, and so we found you. And then I, like two weeks later, I get this email of one of your representatives asking if I wanted to interview you. And I said, yeah, and the University.

- Yeah, exactly. - It found us, you know, it did. And I was thrilled when I saw it. I was like, yeah, sweet. I don't even have to try to reach out here.

He's always gonna ask Dave for help,

but I don't like to ask for help for anybody. I just, you know, we're gonna have to talk about that. - Yeah, I know it, I know it. - But anyway, to introduce her, to give her a little bit of her accolades

before we really get into it here, she's a Columbia trained board certified internal medicine physician, but well known as being the founder and CEO of Parsley Health, which we're gonna get into pretty good here

because now that I've learned more about it, I really wanna stress everything that's done here because it's solving so many problems. And she's a pioneering, in functional and personalized medicine, she's done a ton,

she's gonna continue to do a ton, she's gonna make a huge impact, and I'm here to help her make the biggest impact possible. So, my friends, welcome, Dr. Robin Burzon. - Hi.

- So I'm good to be here. - Thank you for coming in on short notice, especially to come and see me. I appreciate it, and I am thoroughly looking forward to this interview.

- Me too. - All right, let's do it. So, all right, functional medicine. We talk about this, we hear the term,

“I know what it is quite well, very important in my life.”

What is it, and what does it mean to you and where are you involved in it? - You know, when I was in my medical training, I looked around the hospital, and I saw that our healthcare system

was really good at keeping us alive, but not good at helping us thrive. And I saw that all those people were in the hospital, largely, not entirely, but largely because of the ways in which we're eating, we're moving, we're living,

our environment, and I saw that our healthcare system was like drowning under the tsunami of cost and overwhelm, and we can't even get to people, and meanwhile, everyone's insurance premiums are going through the roof, and meanwhile,

everyone's trying to be healthy, but our healthcare system isn't helping them do that. And I was fortunate enough to learn early in my career about functional medicine, and it just hit for me.

It was like, okay, this is it. And functional medicine is really just about getting to the root cause of disease and set of treating the symptom. So you're not lying awake at night

because you have an ambient deficiency. That is not why you can't sleep, okay. There are many reasons you may not be able to sleep. - Right. - You're looking at screens, you have anxiety,

you have high blood sugar, you're inflamed.

“Your circadian rhythms off, there's a hormonal imbalance, right?”

Like, we can figure out why. I'm being a little flip because of course, we want to use medications when we need them to achieve goals, but we can't only use medications to do chief goals, and when it comes to things like,

we're just talking about heart health, blood sugar, depression, infertility, hormone issues. Before we started, you were talking about testosterone, and the reasons people have low testosterone

in the first place, functional medicine just digs in

and I call it the medicine of why.

and then we treat them with the best possible tools. And sometimes that tool is a drug, and sometimes it's a food, and sometimes it's nervous system resilience and stress management like Apollo, and we can get into all the ways we do that,

that more holistic approach. It works so much better, and the results are incredible. And so once I saw that, I was like, this is what I have to do.

“- And that's what I love about it is the actual digging”

into the problem. I can't tell you how many times that I had questioned when I was far younger, why is it every time that we go to the doctor that all that ever happens as I get a moxicillin, or now Z-pack,

like when I was into my teenage years, why is it no matter what I have, this is what I'm getting,

and why does it never work?

And you don't understand, you don't know when most people just do what they're told, and they think doctors are the end all be all that you go to and know everything, and anything that's kind of like when you get older,

when you thought your parents knew everything, and you realize that's not the case. So I find that now it's becoming more and more prevalent that people like yourself are changing from regular practice or coming out

in their own, et cetera. I think the important thing now is to educate them on why this is necessary, and how to add life to your years, not yours to your life type of thing, is that kind of your goal and what you can do?

- Absolutely.

“I mean, what I love about functional medicine,”

it's both about optimizing your health so that you can live longer and live better, and about treating the conditions you have right now. We talk a lot about longevity right now. It's like a big buzzword, right?

But like, parsley, my practice has been around for almost 10 years, or 10 year anniversary is coming up. I've been doing functional medicine for a decade, and before we call it longevity, we call it health optimization,

so different word same thing. And we've been doing this for a long time, but what I love about functional medicine is that we're not just doing peptides in GLP ones and looking at, you know,

how are you gonna live 30, 40, 50 years from now? We're actually addressing the health issues that you have right now. - Right. - And 60 plus percent of adults in America

are dealing with something. They have high cholesterol, they have depression, they have hormone imbalances, they have PCOS, infertility, PMS, autoimmune, gut issues, can't get pregnant, whatever it is,

people are living with stuff. And functional medicine addresses what's going on right now, so we diagnose, we treat, and we optimize. And what I love to do is I get to do all three. So if I'm working with a woman in her 50s

and I'm working on hormone replacement therapy and weight gain and yes we're adding to GLP one and yes we're addressing depression and anxiety through meditation, through psychedelic work, through supplements, and then sometimes through medication.

I'm also looking at her calcium score and saying, what are we gonna do to make sure you don't develop heart disease in 10, 20 years? And so I get to look into the future,

but I also get to help her feel better right now.

“And I think that those two things together”

are what make this medicine awesome. - Yeah, I totally, totally agree. - So let me ask you this.

I always looked at everything kind of

through a improper person, so to speak. So I had the one side was the fitness and the nutrition, which is what I've dedicated, like, I don't know, 20, some odd years too. But I never, until I met Dave

and started working together with him, I never really looked at the mindset. I know I had a lot of anxiety and a lot of stress and it was, it would accumulate. But I never pieced together the importance

of the balance and both and how it takes both to really be fully healthy. 'Cause you and I can fix everybody's diet, they're hormones, everything. But if this is really off, we're really not getting anywhere,

are we? - Not at all. And this beautiful, my book called State Change is all about how we heal the mind through the body and how much so much of our mental health actually starts

in the physical health and how people kind of get stuck. I liken it to, if you're dealing with depression, anxiety, chronic fatigue and so many of these things that so many people are experiencing, day in and day out. And you're not addressing inflammation, blood sugar,

nutrient deficiencies, lack of exercise, sleep. If you're not addressing some of these physical things, it's like trying to climb Everest but not getting to base camp. You're just gonna get stuck.

And yet, in when we address mental health, we sort of ignore the physical and act like your brain has got a concrete wall between your head and your body or something. And that's just not, that's not what's happening.

It's all deeply connected. And then when your nervous system is on fire, it's like we're all running from a lion all day long with the lion is our email and our text messages. You see it's stuck in fight or flight.

This is what Dave Raven and Apollo really work on. You get stuck in this, you know, stretch should go up and it come down. Go up and come down like that sine wave from physics from high school.

And we get stuck up here where it's always on.

Because when we're in sympathetic, fight or flight,

“we can't heal because that's our running go mode.”

What we have to do is to get into parasympathetic, which is your rest-digest relax and heal side of your nervous system. And we can get there. The body can actually start to heal itself.

It's just that in our daily lives, we're not giving in a chance. And so that's also why I love functional medicine is because we don't look at just physical. We look at my body spirit and every single patient.

If I have a mom and she's not sleeping and she's anxious and stressed, I know that anything I try to do for her gut health is like game over. It's not gonna work.

I have to address these other things first.

- Yeah, 100% I haven't taken it serious enough. I'm like that super type A that's seven days a week. And so I have this ongoing constant. I operate with a sense of urgency at all times. And it's not good.

It's good to accomplish stuff, but then it becomes a problem. So I have like distressed wearing the Apollo and through prayer and I swear to you, I know this is gonna sound immature and crazy

and I don't care 'cause it works, but I bought myself a gaming PC and put it into my office. And when I need a break, I switch the screen and I'm very controlled.

See, I'm a very controlled person, but I start to play that thing 30 minutes and I come right back down and totally stress goes away. So I found something that made me feel like a cat again for a few minutes that took away from it.

I don't obsess like a gamer, but I find that if you can find something, they can just slow you down a little bit.

“And that's why I love the Apollo 'cause it does that.”

And I didn't understand Vegas nerf stimulation and that role that it plays and everything, but like you said, why do you think that people get stuck in that fire flight constantly?

What is the main cause that is it trauma? Is it workaholic? What is it? - I mean, I think you just said it for so many people, it's our patterns.

And we don't, we learn to tire shoes and brush our teeth, but we don't learn constructive, healthy ways of managing our stress and our emotions and our nervous system. And we teach people that when you feel stressed, work,

or do drugs, or drink alcohol, or zone out in media, or TV, or scroll in your Instagram, right? We have all of these, frankly, unhealthy ways of managing our stress. And we don't actually teach people the healthy ways,

but exercise goes head to head with almost all anti-depressants. In fact, it's as better. - I agree. - And 95% of people respond to exercise

when it comes to mental health. Only, you know, it does study very, but somewhere between 30 and 60% to some of the Medicaid common medications, and it's not to knock the medications,

so it's gonna be powerful too. But exercise works for pretty much everybody, and it works just as well. And so if you look at the data, like we should be prescribing exercises

our top mental health tool, but it's just not what happens in the medical community.

“And so I think when we teach people these skills”

and give them tools, whether, you know, or we both love David and the Apollo, it's a device that helps through these vibratory patterns, stimulate your vagus nerve, and your vagus nerve, everyone is,

you actually have two of them, one on each side of your brainstem, and they come down in your body, and they innovate everything that does, that happens for you automatically.

Your heartbeat, your breathing, your digestion.

I always wanna remind people

'cause I find we're often at war with our bodies. This human body is the most sophisticated, beautiful, incredible machine that has ever been created. It is so cool. So much is happening for you at every second of your life

that you don't have to think about or direct or ask for. It's just automatically happening in the vagus nerve as a big piece of that. And if we can take care of this thing,

this only vehicle that we are given for life, then everything else unlocks. And so for my patients and what I see, it's teaching people tools that are healthy and constructive to manage stress and to get out of fight or fly it.

And when people realize they can do that, instead of say drinking or some of these less helpful things, people start to feel a lot better. - Yeah, so I've been learning about so many people that are providing health by just fixing

what you're talking about, fixing the state of mind, getting people,

like they rewiring basically their brain.

I've talked to multiple people about that and the significant impact that it has on everyday life. I need that done half the time too. It's what I'm worried about. - I mean, meditation has been shown

on functional MRI studies to truly remap the brain. It fills in the ruts in the road. I have the brain so that your thoughts, instead of going in that same, unhelpful pattern, can go into new directions.

So I meditate for 15 minutes every single morning. And if I don't, things are off the rails that day. And if I do, it completely sets me on the new trajectory. And usually I have a kid or two kids sitting on me. It's like six or three of them were named.

But I really, I'm religious about it. And my meditation practice, my prayer practice,

These are all ways in which I am neuromodulating myself. So that I can do all of the things I want to do. And they are as important as my gluten-free dairy free, high fiber, high protein, high healthy fat diet. - Absolutely.

I just had this conversation before you came here. And I said, you know who I have the most conversation with every day is in prayer. That's where I have the most conversation with anybody.

I thought about it. And I was like, okay, I do one, two, three, four. And I started going online. And that's when I met my most piece. When I'm actually not thinking about work most of the time,

unless and turn the notifications are for the phone away. - So we're talking about really a strong piece. And I don't think people take that silence

with that understanding of the most important

is to just slow down and rationalize a little bit and relax. - I have a sign in my office, and it says slow down five mile an hour. 'Cause I say, as you're talking,

“I'm like, I think you and I are built from the same materials”

and slowing down makes us a lot of things. - It's not easy, it's really hard. - Yeah, I know it. - And it's not reinforced around this, right? We're just constantly told to go, go, go, go, go, go.

And then the message is, to fuel to go, go, go, go. And that's why we have a food system that is fueling us to go, but it's making us sick. - Somebody was just asked me 'cause I said, oh my birthday is coming up at the end of the month,

what are you gonna do? Like what are you gonna do with my barber? What are you gonna do? What are you gonna do? I said, you know what?

All I want is just a day off. It's not up to you shit.

Just a day to just do nothing

and I would be the happiest guy on the planet. You know what I'm gonna do it? - I'm probably not. - Oh, a lot, you have to do it now. I'll order your turning.

- 44. - Oh my gosh, I'm 44. - Really? - Yeah. - Well, see, there you go.

- How are you?

“- I know, I think for me it, I'll still work out,”

but I think other than that, I'm going to, I left my day blank. I can't not on my workout days, I'm going to do it, I do it on Christmas, I do it unless it falls on a non-workout day,

but I think other than that now. The older you get, sometimes you get so fed up where you're just like, okay, I'm doing this. You know, 45 years ago, I would lie to your face and told you I'm gonna do it in that too.

- And that's it, all right, well, holding you accountable, people. - Okay, if you have one day off. - So I wanna get into more of the parsley side 'cause I asked you, was it similar to function health

and then you just gave me a full blown education on it? Because I think functions very popular and people know of it, the marketing is good on it, but you do something similar about very different, which I really appreciate as you explained it.

And I wasn't necessarily gonna go deep into parsley, but I want to now because of learning more about it. It's more intricate, it's more personalized. So just talk about what you've filled me in on earlier. - Totally, so, you know, like many of the lab testing

companies out there, we have a full comprehensive blood work panel longevity labs that you can get with us nationally. You've got them through quest. And you can do those labs with us

and we'll give you a whole breakdown of what your labs mean, what your results mean, we look at hormones, we look at heavy metals, we look at heart health, blood sugar, all the things. So you can do that with us, like you mentioned function.

There's lots of other companies out there. Also, I'm on, whoop, the wearable companies medical advisory board. They have comprehensive labs as well, which is awesome. And I'm all for it, by the way.

“I think that we are data should be in our hands”

and getting your lab tests and knowing what they mean is a great starting point. So whether you get them through parsley, which we offer, or whether you get them through one of these other companies, great, it's a great place to start in your health.

But what happens over and over again and what I see with all these lab tests is that people get the results and they get the AI report and you know, they look at it and they kind of understand

some things, okay, understand? They're like, oh, what do I do with this information? I don't know. And then they throw it into chat to PT or Claude or whoever your favorite, you know, AI platform is

and they get some more information and maybe the vitamin D's low and maybe the AI gives them seven ways to fix their vitamin D in the like, I don't know what to do. What do I do next?

Like, how do I make decisions around this? And God forbid, it's not vitamin D. It's heart health, or it's autoimmune. It's fertility, or hormones. It's like, what do I do with this information?

- Right. - And then what happens is they go to their primary care doctor, or the regular doc, who is wonderful and well-meaning, but who's like, why did you order these tests? I don't have time to review these tests.

I'm not trained to connect the dots across all these different tests because in my conventional medical training,

which you know, introduced me at amazing places

like Columbia and Nonsana, I wasn't trained there to think about the body as ecosystem to connect the dots between your lab results and your nutrition and your mental health and your physical health.

And so, you know, regular doctors, people are coming to us all the time at parsley, and being like, yeah, they either didn't have time for me, or maybe they blew me off,

or they didn't give me a plan.

And so when I'm seeing over and over,

“and as people have results, they have data,”

but they're not taking action. - Right. - And so what parsley offers in addition to those lab tests is actual medical care with board certified functional medicine doctors.

And we do it online nationwide, so 50 state, you can just zoom with us over from your house, your car, your work, or whatever. And our doctors will, we have a visit, you can buy, where you will just go over your lab results,

so they could come from any of the companies, any other companies doesn't have to be us. And we not only tell you what your labs mean, which is a great starting point, but we also do a little bit of our own health assessment,

and we look at what you're eating, and how you're moving, we look at your symptoms severity, we look at your symptoms across your whole body. And our doctors put the pieces together

and give you an action plan,

because if you get all this data, but you don't do anything with it, you're not getting healthier, 'cause you have data. You're getting healthier, 'cause you do something. And so we have this visit, we call it BYO Labs,

where you can do a 30 minute doctor visit with us, and we'll give you this plan and tell you what everything means. And answer your questions, and hear you, right? Because the AI isn't hearing you, or listening to you,

or in conversation with you, or understanding that because your house is under construction, you don't have a kitchen, you can't eat this way, or because you're working too hard, you need help navigating the healthcare system.

And so we do that, and then we also have our annual program for clinical care, and so lots of people come to us, not just for labs, we do the labs, but they come to us to work with our docs on fertility, and menopause, and heart health, and low testosterone,

and depression, and weight, and inflammation, and autoimmune, we do a lot of gut health, a lot of autoimmune, a lot of hormones, a lot of weight and metabolism, and it's, you know, I like to make fun of some of these really fancy pants doctors,

who we all know and love, some of them have big podcasts, let's just say, and they have fancy pants, medical practices, where they see 50 patients a year for 250 grand a month. - Yeah, I know it.

- And if you're like, well, I could never have that.

My answer is to you, is yes, you can, it's called Parsley Health. And one of the doctors used to work for me at Parsley, went to work in one of these, $250,000 a year clinics, and I saw him a couple of years ago, and I said, "Hey, it's great to see you."

What's it like over there? Are they doing anything different than we're doing at Parsley, and he said, "No." And so, everyone, everyone should have a functional medicine doctor. - Every one should have a doctor,

who understands nutrition and sleep and fitness and supplements, and advanced testing, and who will talk to you, and hear you, and give you guidance, so that you actually take the actions that get you healthier, and that's what we do.

So we do it all online, and so it's, yes, it's the labs, but it's also the actual care, and the care is what is missing, and that, to me, is the gap to close, and that's what we're here for. - Yeah, that, and that's just, it starts with the data,

you gotta have the data. - Yes. - Interpretation of the data can be tricky, and you can get so many different pieces of information, and you and I both know these ranges go all over the place,

any more, too, and you gotta be careful on those, because they change with what they say is healthy, which, I don't even know what that means, and he might have been honest with you. I think the gaps that are like this

should be more like this, I mean, personally. - Yeah, well, because we're functional medicine, we tell you not just what's in range, but we tell you what's optimal. - Right.

- Right, and we do explain to you in the lab product like what that means, and this is good, this is great, this is out of range. - Yeah, that's great.

“- And, but then, here's the thing about the outer range.”

I have people bring us these tests from all over the place, and people have out of range tests, but then they just don't know what to do about it. - Yeah. - So it's like, great to go padding back

if you're optimal. I've got the optimal magnesium level. My apobias optimal. Woo hoo. - Right.

- Like, you know, do that like Saturday night fever walk. - Very shit. - Levittlands looking at me, but then what about when things are not optimal? - Right.

- And, why is my HCRP high? Why am I in flame? Well, now we've got, we've got an investigation, 'cause there's a lot of reasons your HCRP and inflammation could be high.

- Right. - And we now need to take the next step, and to take the next step, you need a doctor to help you navigate, because what is right for you

may not be what the AI spit out as an answer. - And that's just it, and what you just said, a lot of people don't even know what that is, and are not understanding what it means then they look it up, and they don't realize

the correlation that has on every damn thing it could be wrong, 'cause if you're inflamed,

“that could potentially could cause anything, right?”

I mean, it's more than likely the culprit of whatever problem you have. - Exactly. And it could be indicative of something deeper. It could be a hard health issue.

It could be an immune system issue. It could be an injury. It could be, 'cause you had a cold and flu when you got these lab tests,

When I, you know, I'd see patients on Thursday mornings,

and I'm always amazed that, you know, somebody will have

been seeing me for like six months, and we'll have totally fixed their GI issue. Like they'll come in with gas bloating, all these things, they turned out to have small intestinal bacterial overgrowth, we treated it.

There's better, that's the number one cause of most of like GI distress today, but it goes under diagnosed, we do a breath test to diagnose it, we treat it.

“And it's six months later, and I'm like, how you doing?”

And they're like, I cannot lose these 10 pounds. And I'm like, remember when you came here and you were bloated and couldn't poop and like, her reflux and all these things? And it's like, our memories of even how we feel felt six months ago, it's like gone.

It's like, oh yeah, I don't care about any of that. That's great, but like now I'm onto this thing, right? And that's how we as human beings work. And so it's hard for us then to expect us to take all of this data, even with the AI and the AI

as amazing, I mean, I use it every day. But to then sort of self navigate and connect the dots across like my health history, my family history, the condition I had five years ago that could actually be informing why I feel the way I do,

know why people have CBO because they took all these antibiotics for scientists, infections, and your infections and the destroy their microbiome. But like they're not connecting the dots between the bloating I have now and the crazy amount

of antibiotics I took for science infections five years ago. And so that's where the guidance can help you to that next step and to actually feel better.

- We live in like a more as always better type of society.

So you could rob Peter to pay Paul and think you're fixing one thing and causing a whole other issue somewhere else. And I see it all the time. I've done it a million times myself.

I mean, when I was telling you about the LP little late, you know how many things I threw at that thing under the sun and created like liver problems, kidney problems. So I was taking everything that I thought could fix it. And my wife would look at me and she'd go,

"Are you really taking that much stuff?" I mean, the pile was like this. Yeah, but it does this, but it does this, but it doesn't, I even know better. But you can't help it.

“That's why it's important to have somebody”

that's taking care of you or watching over you. Even if you know or think you know. - Oh yeah, everybody comes to us with a supplement graveyard. - And it's like, I took it a little bit for a little while

and then I took this other thing for a little bit

for a little while and I'm always like,

"Yeah, that's not all supplements work." - No. - You're gonna take them consistently start one thing at a time and then I took all these things and something was making me sick

and I didn't know what it was. So I stopped all of that and I'm like, "Okay, cool." We're starting over. Clean this late.

- Oh my gosh. But, and that's the thing too, is some things that were necessarily I'm gonna work for everybody 'cause it can like what I was telling you

when I'm going through now with the jarty and say, I think those are just magnificent drugs. What I was telling you before is it's gotten to the point now where the past like two or three weeks,

my heart should jump in on my chest constantly 'cause I can't keep electrolytes. I can't keep potassium and when your electrolytes are off, you get irregular heartbeat. I know the pattern 'cause I carried low potassium

before I even took it. And it's gotten to the point now where I had to just stop. And in three days now that it's kind of out of my system, I feel like, "Okay, I can breathe again. I'm back to normal."

- Yes, so many of these medications that are targeting one thing. They have full body effects. - Right. - And the doctor that prescribed the one thing for the heart

doesn't really care about the skin or the hair loss or the bloating or the other or whatever else it happens. My, I was making fun of her this week. My best friend from childhood. And she's complaining to me about her bloating

and her sort of waking and her hormones being off and we're in her mid 40s now. And I've been telling her for 10 years to try stopping gluten. And she was having all this hair loss

and so she, or Dr. Putter on Medoxidil and she's doing PRP in her scalp but the Medoxidil made her whole body puffy and she's a jewelry designer. And so now she can't wear her rings

and like, I'm just like, "Okay." Just finally, I don't know what I said, 10 years of banging my head against the washers. I was like, "I went gluten free this week and it's funny, all my gluten went away."

And I, you know, don't feel so foggy and I had a really stressful week and I was a lot calmer and I'm just like, I want one of the slow motion videos of me

“just like banging my head into like a wall, you know?”

Just like, "Oh, but I'm like, cool. Well, let's stick with us for a few months and then maybe let's taper off the Medoxidil because actually some of your, you know, global, low-grade hair loss might just be from chronic inflammation

from eating a food that's inflaming your gut and therefore inflaming your whole body. And then we don't need this drug that makes you puffy and then makes you can't wear your rings, right? It's like getting to the root cause, right?

even in my incredible medical training. It's what I learned in functional medicine. And when we take a beat to try to get to that root cause and let the body heal, sometimes we don't need all these medications. Sometimes we don't need all these supplements.

- Yeah. - We can get ourselves into a state where the body's actually regulating on its own. - Absolutely. And it goes with every single condition and everything.

I learned about this not in this field but training body builders like I was kind of getting into before and everybody wanted to be on testosterone replacement therapy and I was learning about it in my later 20s, early 30s and I was coaching steroid users

and seeing what they were doing to themselves and eradicating things. But then there were people that were following their suit well they're taking TRT so we're gonna take it. And it's like, well yeah but if we fix your SHBG it's high.

If we get that in range your testosterone's gonna boost right back up probably if you're not taking anything else because it's bounding up your testosterone. And sometimes it's easy like it's a simple fix but you wouldn't know if you don't talk to somebody.

“- I think so many men living in Centauri lifestyle”

as they've got metabolic syndrome, high blood sugar. They're inflamed. Their whole system is out of whack. Their digestion's completely off. They're not exercising.

They're not doing anything. And then if you are like that your testosterone is going to be low. - Absolutely. - And then they're going online

and these places will just give people testosterone nowadays and what happens is then they don't realize that it's gonna kill their fertility. - Yeah. - And I'm like all four TRT and HRT

and we prescribe a lot of hormone placement therapy especially for women at Parsley. I mean we see men too but we see a lot of women who are going through menopause and very menopause and prescribing hormones and I'm a huge fan of testosterone

and including testosterone when appropriate for women and in moderation for women. But I can't tell you how many people could have had their own testosterone levels just rebound if they just address some of these root causes.

And by addressing those root causes they not only get higher testosterone they get better everything. - Yeah. - Their energy, their clarity,

their whole way, their digestion, their weight. And so I'm all four using medications, whether it's a GLP1 or hormone replacement. But what I'm seeing is everybody like skipping the step. They're going straight to the medication

without addressing the underlying core health issues. No drug will ever outrun an underlying health issue.

Like it will never outrun it.

I always talk about like if you're eating sugar and ultra-process foods and you add metformin or you add GLP1s. It's kind of like there's a fire burning in your basement and you're stuffing a towel in your kitchen door

and just like hoping it doesn't burn down your house. Eventually the underlying illness or the underlying disease process will outrun the drug's ability to keep up with it. And GLP1s are the same thing.

They're very powerful tools. They're awesome. I use them in practice. But they're not a miracle drug. They can only do so much.

And they do not make up for eating and ultra-processed food, high-sugar diet and a sedentary lifestyle. They just don't.

“And I think a lot of people are confusing them”

and thinking, well, I can just take this and then I can keep doing what I'm doing.

And the reality is you can't, your body will get sick.

There's no golden ticket to just eat. There's no golden ticket. Yeah, I mean, you can think that and you may look it for a little while but then when we look internally,

it's kind of like when you're a kid and it's like, oh, Joe can eat Burger King every day and never gain a pound. Now, well, let's check Joe's cholesterol in his 20s and 30s and see what's going on there.

Yeah, and how does he feel? Right, exactly. Probably not great. No, 100% not. And that's the other thing.

It's the glorification of some of these drugs by celebrities or people on influencers or whatever that make it appear to be something that it's not and never ever, ever, ever explain to you what goes along with it.

You notice you never see, like, steroid users.

You never see the downside.

You think they're going to go on and tell you every single thing that they've got going on, it's a problem. And these people that take the GOPs, do you think they're going to get on and tell you

the side effects and the stuff that's going on or do they want to look great? Nobody ever talks about it any of that. And it's just not the reality. Do you find that GOPs right now

or the most maybe abused drugs that are out right now or the ones that maybe are even the most polarizing because there are a ton of benefits there if used properly and everything.

“But I think that we're creating more negative perspective”

on them by the way they're being used. - Yeah, I agree with that. I think there's, I don't know if I would use the word abused, but I think they're the most DIY drug out there that is being DIY dangerously.

- Right. - And you go online and you can go to, like, Eli Lilly's website and you can get your own GOP one. - Right. - And, you know, I do think that these are powerful tools

You know, I have a mom and her early forties who just all of a sudden gained like 60 pounds and we address thyroid, we address diet, we address gut health, we address inflammation, alcohol, stress, nothing was touching it.

She just went into a parry menopausal set point shift where her weight went through the roof and I'm so grateful to the GOP one

“because it's the only thing that's actually helped us”

allow her to get back to herself. And then the goal is to get her off of it and allow her to re-achieve her new set point along with the support on estrogen and progesterone.

So they do have like incredible uses

and then for folks who do have diabetes or morbidly obese and stock like, I've seen incredible results. I've seen incredible results for folks who really have some level of like,

you know, really deep-seated emotional eating that like nothing has touched. But at the same time, there's a lot of people just using them, not understanding the side effects, not changing their underlying diet,

not doing anything to ensure they're getting adequate protein, not doing anything to build lean muscle mass and who are sort of relying on the drug to make up for all else. Yeah.

And also not having anyone, you know, it does increase your skin cancer risk. They're not seeing a doctor,

there's no one sort of looking globally at,

well, what else is this doing to you? 'Cause this is as you said earlier, every single drug, as great as the guardians may be for one thing, it hits all parts of your body and it's like a sea salt, it's great for one thing,

but then it is sometimes not so great for something else.

“And that's where I think like people are,”

it's sort of like cowboy medicine, like frontier town, like DIY and their GOP ones and that can get tricky. Yeah, it's dangerous, it really is. I've seen it in so many different things

and I just, it's troubling and I wish more people would come to places like you have. I wanna shift here. I want your thoughts on the flipping upside down with the food guide period.

And I've started to talk about this with some people, but I'm a heavy nutrition guy. So I really like to hear different differing opinions on this 'cause I know how I feel about it. And I know, like I battled in the eating disorder,

even as an nutritionist. And I fell into this living low fat category for so long and I know I wreck myself. I don't need anybody else to ever tell me 'cause I already know.

And I finally was able to get out of my own way,

like year and a half ago. And my diet now kind of more so correlates with the way this flipped. But there are a lot of people that still say, oh, you can't eat this way, you can't eat these fats,

you can't do this, it's gonna cause X, Y and Z with cholesterol and everything else. But I want your thoughts on the flipping of it. And isn't that wild that we did that, but then do you find it to be pretty accurate

the way it's laid out now? - Yeah, I mean, the way that it is now is how we've been guiding nutrition at Parsley Health for a decade. And what we see in clinical practice,

we have treated over 50,000 patients. So you would know. - We would know. - Yeah. - And what we see is that when you get rid of our fine sugars

and flowers, when you get rid of ultra-process foods,

“and I think that's the biggest thing everyone's talking”

about the protein and we can get into the protein. But what you take those two things out of your diet, your body starts to heal itself. When you eat whole foods and vegetables and nuts and seeds and whole grains,

and you get closer to 30 to 50 grams of fiber a day, as opposed to the part, the measly 15 grams that the average American gets barely, what do you fix with that? You fix your heart health, you fix your hormones, you fix your blood sugar, you fix your digestion.

When we eat healthy fats and we eat those fats, even if they're saturated fats from butter or dairy products or meat, when we eat those fats, not alone, not with a burger bun and fries and sugar-filled ketchup, but when we eat them

alongside Brussels sprouts and a salad and nuts and seeds and whole grains, our body metabolizes those fats beautifully. And when we get adequate protein, we can actually build the muscle mass.

And when we don't get enough protein and the former food pyramid or food guideline recommended daily protein was too low, when we get to little protein, we can't build the muscle mass.

And we have a population that if you look at full body dexa body composition is maybe we're getting with a lot of calories, but we're undernourished from the standpoint of, we have low muscle mass and we have high fat mass,

which is a recipe for poor health. Regardless of what your weight is. And so, getting adequate protein now as a woman, I'm so I'm 44 and I got diagnosed with osteopeenia this past year on dexa scan.

So I'm losing my bones already,

And I'm lifting and I'm lifting heavy

“and part-to-revduze bone loss and part-to-build upline”

my lean muscle mass before I go into menopause, 'cause I'm actually not in parry menopause or menopause yet. And as I do these things, I know that I have to eat adequate protein, otherwise I'm not gonna be able to really build

any lean muscle mass. And so for me, my targets are around, I'm not targeting one gram per pound of body weight, 'cause that's just a freaking lot. And I'm targeting around 0.7 grams per pound of body weight.

And what I see for myself and what I see for a lot of my patients is that that's really enough for most people to build lean muscle. Now, if you're trying to like be a body builder and pack it on at the gym and add pounds and pounds and pounds of pounds of lean muscle,

yeah, you may need to eat more protein than that. Oh yeah. But I think that, and you would know, so you can be the expert on that for me.

But the reality is, you do have to pay attention

to it, you do have to get adequate protein, but you don't have to like drown yourself in protein shakes to get to a body that can put on lean muscle mass. Well, I don't think a lot of people realize just how difficult it is to,

I'm not talking about gaining weight, I'm talking about adding sheer lean muscle mass. I mean, this gets lost in the shuffle and I battled this for years to get like two or three pounds of muscle

that you keep all your long and keep it is very, very difficult. It takes a lot of muscle manipulation and how you lift, it takes a very strong diet. You've got to mix up how you're lifting the types of lifts.

You can't let your body get stagnant and de-sensitized to what you're doing. This is a tricky process, especially as we get older.

And so, yeah, prioritizing protein is very important.

And for me, I have to eat a lot more because of the output. So I'm burning like 4,000 calories a day with all the cardio and everything. So I do a pound and a 1.5 to a pound,

but it's easy for me in the way that I structure my diet 'cause I'll have a 12 ounce piece of salmon and boom, I got 70 or 80 grams of protein. But that's not for everybody. I'm able to do that because I'm so hungry

from the output, not everybody's doing that.

“So I think structurally and then the concept of,”

how do we actually put this on and keep it on? And it's tricky when you go to a creatine's important. You know, things like that, but not over supplementing, not relying on protein shakes,

which are not the answer. - Yeah, I mean, they can listen, they can help. You have use of it, you've got to eat real food. - Right. - And first.

- And balancing that with getting good quality animal protein I struggle 'cause I'm sensitive to dairy. You know, the way protein is actually a very good protein, like the way proteins are very good protein source, but for a lot of people, way is tricky.

And dairy is tricky because it causes, for me it's acting in Xima, for a lot of people. It's asthma, chronic sinus infections, GI issues. I can't tell you how many people in the performance world who are living on way, way bars, way protein shakes.

And they don't realize that they're being super inflamed from dairy. So just if you're somebody out there who's eating a lot of way and are experiencing a lot of these like allergy, chronic nasal congestion, snoring, breakouts,

digestive issues, it might be that dairy's not for you. - Right.

“- And then you have to find how else am I gonna get the protein in?”

The other thing I see is that, you know, I, so okay, I don't need the dairy, I do eat meat, I do eat fish, but I need something else to get like to my protein target. So I'll have like a plant-based protein powder

that I make us move the out of. And a lot of people don't realize that most of the plant-based proteins, like the P and rice blends or the rice protein, the P protein, unless that protein powder

has had branched-tain amino acids, including moosean added to it, it's not a complete protein. And it's not even close to the usability, called bioavailability, that away is or that like an animal protein is.

And so be careful everyone, because a lot of these like chain smoothie places, not gonna name names that you have at the airport, or you have them all, a lot of these places have these plant-protein powders.

And I've like remember recently, I talked to the CEOs of one of these big groups. And when I mentioned to them, I said, well, is your plant-based protein powder is it optimized with branched-tain amino acids?

So it's a complete protein, they had no idea what's talking about it. And so you're getting, quote, protein, but it's really low quality, and it's not something your body can use.

So as people start to sort of focus on protein, actually on my flight here to Phoenix to see you from LA, I walked by Starbucks a place I do not consume anything from, everyone. But I noticed at the corner of my eye,

on the menu, it said protein something or other.

on this bandwagon.

And I guarantee whatever that source of protein is

at the Starbucks, sorry Starbucks, and as I am in a name name names, I just nothing quality is happening from a food and beverage standpoint, from that store. Whatever that protein source is,

I would bet you and I can bet like a thousand bucks right now that it is not what it should be. I've been in this-- - I didn't read the fine print. I'll go back tomorrow morning and look.

- You bet your ass. - And I'll bet you all that. - Yeah, it's not quality. I learned 20 11ish, probably the way protein powders worked and how they were, how they were really made

and what you were getting from the big name companies. I won't say anything, but the biggest names and why they're so cheap and then why they're in Costco and everything. I'm not saying it's bad, you're going to Costco,

but you have to be able to cut the cost to be put in those stores and those facilities.

“You have to understand what you're getting”

and structurally, how they make them and where they come from now. What I changed was that I still have way, but it's like 25% of the protein intake I take from a powder and I custom everything with beef and beef protein isolate

and then a little bit of bovine collagen protein and I customize and synthesize these myself and that's 75% of what I take. And I don't rely on protein powders. Honestly, I use it my coffee twice a day

and in my yogurt. - Smart. That's the only way I don't drink shakes at all. And when I made that switch, I did notice less bloating, less water retention

and my blood panels actually, I wouldn't correlate it all to that, but I would say that did have some sort of benefit for me. - And by the way, everyone, where is a great protein course?

- It's great. - If it's high quality, if it's coming from, you know, pasture rays and organic cows and so forth, just nowhere the way it's coming from and then just know that some subset of people

don't tolerate way and are super inflamed and don't realize it. So that's like really my call out on way. It's not a way as bad. It's that some people like myself, if I eat that, I have acne, I have exomellic,

I can't do it.

“- And that's why I split it because there is good purpose to it,”

but I found that for me personally, it was too much for what I wanted to take, but I'm like a scoop and a half a day guy. You know what I mean at the most. And so I think several things you said,

Whole Foods First Prioritize that,

this is a supplement, meaning you use it as a supplement for what you're missing or lacking, but don't try to overcompensate. All right, I hate this term meal replacement. It's not a meal.

It's not really replacing a meal. It's just supplementing some hunger or some nutrient lacking. - Right. - In my view. - Make it your snack. - Yes. - Or make it your post workout.

- Absolutely. - Yeah. I, you know, it's funny because we're talking about the fats and I kind of told you, I went from my last 20 years, eating like 25 grams of fat a day.

If I was lucky and it was strictly from peanut butter or something of that nature or almond butter, one of the nut butters. Now I do about 130 grams of fat a day. And I went from like 1500 calories to 3000.

And I haven't been this lean or felt this good or skin or just focus even on non-good sleep day type of things. Diet runs everything, you can train all you want if you have a shit diet, you cannot work it. - 100%. - I mean, in our, you know,

in our medicine, in functional medicine,

nutrition and food is the first thing on the prescription path.

And yes, of course, we prescribe drugs and medications and we prescribe supplements in some cases and we prescribe exercise. And there are resilience and mental health practices but we also prescribe food first.

And you can, you can address so many of today's top health issues and symptoms with food and getting people again off of the sugar and the ultra-process foods, getting that fiber content up. Healthy fats, you know, we can go down the seed oil

rabbit hole if you want, but we, you know, forget when we were in that sort of era of, you know, low fat fat free and that messaging that, you know, cholesterol is the building block of all your hormones. - Exactly. - It's what makes your testosterone

and estrogen and progesterone. And so, getting really good sources of fat

“and having fat in your diet is really important.”

And fat doesn't make you fat and fat for most people doesn't really increase our cholesterol. It's, there are some people and we talked about this before we started who have genetically high cholesterol.

Either very genetically high, total cholesterol number is across the board or genetically high of labor protein little A, it sounds like you have and that one actually tends to be genetic if you have it and you're not really impacted

by lifestyle or diet much at all. And I do have some patients with what's called familial hyper cholesterol in me on that, like everything's high because it's just genetic. And occasionally those people like accidentally do keto

into like a terrible terrible place. - Yeah. - And I explain to them,

“you know, and sometimes they're statin resistant,”

they don't want to take statins, which I respect. But I explain to them, you know, you can live on twigs and brambles in the forest forever, like don't go to modern life, don't go to a restaurant, like forage forever.

And that will probably bring your cholesterol down. - Right. - If you were for some reason unwilling to do that, then I'm sorry, but you're gonna be on a statin. - Right. - And let's go.

- Yeah. - And I'm actually, you know, I've actually come around on statins, I will say, I used to be in my earlier in my practice and career kind of more anti them. And as I've aged and as I've matured, maybe,

I just see them as another tool. I don't see them. I don't see them metinegative metabolic impact meaningfully impacting people too much. They can really get your apob to where we want it to be.

And for some people, we try everything else. And just the low-dose statin, 'cause you don't need to go into high-dose statins, 'cause once you get in higher and higher doses, they sort of effectively don't work as well.

- No. - So, I'm using them more liberally than I used to. And it's really personal and patient dependent. And we do everything else to mitigate any kind of metabolic or negative effects.

And we take to coach U10 and make sure that we're also balancing blood sugar in other ways. But for most people, you can accomplish

“so much of what you need to accomplish through food.”

And then occasionally, there's people where we hit the wall, not all the diet, sort of reaches its limit, because genetically they have predisposition. And then we add the meds on top to get where we want to go. - Yeah.

And sometimes I would do this all on the exception, even though I hate that. And I was doing that to myself. And I just despise it. I took up, I've heard of the Panoi,

the one that measures your breath, and it shows you. So that's one of the things I did that at Udomonia two years ago. And I took that, and he's like, "Man, you were just burn and rip in through fat." And that's kind of when I was changing my diet

a little bit, working on it. And then I was in my head and I was like, "Man, I'm gonna just try this out and see what happens."

'Cause I always felt like I'm overdoing carbs.

When I sit back and look at everything I was eating, it was just 100% carbs, vegetables, like 13, 14 servings a day, two or three bowls of oatmeal. And I sat and I thought, "Man, you're eating a shit ton of carbs." And it's all you're eating.

Like it. And then I did that and I changed it and it's just like changed my life. My HDL went up 40 points seriously. That's incredible.

Last time I changed it was 80, I've always been low 40s. The problem with the statin for me was is it took me down to like 30 on my LDL 'cause I was taking my path to two. And I panicked and I was like,

"Yeah, well together, that's too much." - You see, yeah. - I stick with the repath. - I mean, too much for you. Let me ask somebody else, it's not, but for in your case.

- With the LP little A, knowing or path, it can help a little bit with it. I know it's not gonna do drastically. - Well, there's a new drug that's in kind of phase three

“minor trials for LP little A that I think”

for those folks who actually have good lipid levels otherwise, and we don't want to statin's, I actually see statin's lower LP little A a little bit, but they just don't do very much. For those people that everything else is good,

they don't want to be in a statin, they don't want to be in a lipid lowering drug, but their LP little A is genetically super high. I'm hopeful that this new medication works. - I'm so sorry.

- I'll be following you for two years. - You just wake up every morning

it's the first thing you check.

Some people check the price of crypto. You check the status of this phase three. - I get every couple months and now and just look at it. I early on, it was really like inundating myself with everything that I could learn.

And so I have a pretty good understanding of stuff now, but my problem with statins was the over prescribing of them. - Yes. - That's my major problem with it. I feel like they just want to put everybody on it

and they just want to do just drain people's cholesterol levels. And I don't think that's healthy. - Yeah, I totally agree. And I also find it frustrating that so many people are just put on statins

without any assessment, like true nutritional assessment. - Yeah. - True lifestyle assessment. Because for most people, like you said,

if you reduce or eliminate the alcohol, the trigressorides come down, if you reduce the sugar and the ultra-process foods, the cholesterol comes and check, if you add fiber protein healthy fats,

most people, not everybody, but most people's cholesterol numbers get in a really healthy place. And everything else in their body works better and they feel better and they can sleep

and they can poop and they can have babies.

And so it's like, why do we not do that first?

Rather than, you know, we manage or treating you as a whole person in functional medicine. We're not treating numbers. - Right.

- So the numbers again, back to the lab test thing.

They're a great starting point,

but they're not your end point. - You have a specific, like,

“I don't know, five essential supplements and I'm not talking,”

like, the basics that people need to take. We need to take magnesium. We need to take certain vitamins. I'm talking stuff like creatine or something. Five supplements that you find that are proven beneficial

that are most people should or you could see taking that are gonna have a benefit in their life. - Yeah, absolutely. Number one is vitamin D, vitamin D3K2. I know that falls into the basics category,

but most people are deficient. Vitamin D is a pro hormone. It is important for mental health. It's important for immune function and it's important for bone health.

And if you're pregnant, it's important for your baby's future teeth.

So it's just something that still somehow,

like not enough people are taking and has profound effects on overall body function. - One question on vitamin K side. Sometimes it's also K2 or 3 or 7. Which one was the difference?

- I'm vitamin K, vitamin D3K2 is my preference. And the reason people add the vitamin K, this gets missed a lot, is that it has to do with how the calcium that you absorb, one of the things that vitamin D does

is it helps you absorb calcium from your diet. And you need calcium from your bones. You need it for the functioning of your cellular membranes. Like we calcium for everything, everyone. But where we don't want the calcium to go is into the heart.

And so the K2 helps with where directing where the calcium goes is how I put it. So the vitamin D3, I take is the vitamin D3K2 drops. I just put them right in my mouth every morning. All my little kid, my kids, that little bird,

they all open their mouths. And mama goes around and sprinkles the vitamin D. And everyone's not the my husband. Then our nanny, I'm like, you know, we're (laughing) And so that's one that I absolutely recommend.

Creatines up there for cognitive function and for all of us who are trying to lift heavier. My version of lifting heavy and your version of lifting heavy are very, very different, everyone. But I'm like, whoa, 25 pounds.

But I'm working on it. But yes, creatine, I definitely think and we're learning more and more about the other one that I see be really game changing for people is the right kind of B vitamins.

So methylated B vitamins. Okay. Methylated cabalaman and methylated M5MTHF, which is met the methylated form of folate. Okay.

A lot of the B vitamins out there and the multis that have multivitamins that have B vitamins in there, they're not the methylated forms. And about two thirds of our population has a genetic variant.

It's not a mutation that's on disease. It's just a variant. I have two copies, some people have one copy that mean you don't methylate as well. Yeah.

And why do we care?

Well, methylation is happening a billion times a minute

“in our bodies and it's important for all sorts of things,”

including making neurotransmitters, like dopamine, serotonin, and orpinephrine. Yeah. I have personally a huge mood impact when I am not taking my methylated B's.

You know, I had some depression and anxiety in my college years and like now in my later life, I have all of these tools to manage that. But one of the things that I found consistently over the years since I learned

and trained in functional medicine was that the methylated B's for me are an anti-depressant. And when I stopped, I've tested this many times and you see it in the population and there's great data on it.

So it's not just the end of one of me. But I can't tell you how many patients I see start them and just see some of the fog clear and like the uplift. Methylations also really important for detoxification. We so many people are eating all this like grocery store sushi

or fancy pants sushi and on care where it comes from and they're full of mercury as a result. And they're not detoxifying it well. And when these heavy metals get into our bodies, where do they go live?

They get to like to sit in our fat and stay. Most of our brain is made of fat. And so a little bit of mercury here and there find, but a lot of it are consistently over time. It just bio-ac humiliates.

A bio-ac humiliates in the tuna, a bio-ac humiliates in us. And when we're not good at methyating, we're not good at detoxifying. We also, when we're not good at methyating, we don't every day your body, especially for women,

but men too, you make estrogen and you break it down.

“methylation is important for that breakdown.”

So if we're folks with like PMS and PCOS and endometriosis and symptoms of estrogen dominance, or regular periods, all these things, again, are methylated B vitamins can help our bodies kind of break down and work through our hormones in a better way.

So this is one that's like, in the basics category, but that methylated version I see have outsized impacts versus what people talk about, oh, just take a B vitamin for energy. That's how one I'm talking about.

- Is this like a B complex, then? - A B complex, but just make sure that the version of it and when you look on the back and you look at the fine print, it says methyl METH-Y-L-Cobalaman, or when it talks about the folate,

it says the number five, the letter M-T-H-F.

to see if you have it, the kinds that make you less likely

to methylate well that I have two copies of. So that means I have a 66% reduction in my methylation speed. - Wow. - And so I do see those really being interesting. And then something that I'm experimenting right now with

and seeing is your life in A. - No, yeah. - And improving METH-Y-L-Function, 'cause now that I am over 40, improving my METH-Y-L-Function as I look to slow the clock and give myself more energy

“to run out around after my children is very important.”

So that's one that I, I'll be honest with you, I'm not ready to say it must be a staple for everyone. - Mm-hmm. But it has not been kicked to the curb like NAD+ yet, so I'm taking it. And I'm discovering and seeing what it does

as we get it out more into the population. Regardless of the claims of any, you know, anyone makes it. - So like, what about you? I want to hear your answer to this question.

- My biggest partner that my first partner

I signed with when I went to Biohacking was timeline. And so I went to freakin' Harvard and studied cellular health at night. And I took a cellular health coaching class. So I'm a big believer in it.

The more understanding of the, I saw how it worked and what it did and what I've seen it do for me. So I do find that is definitely a staple for me. - Yeah, and I'm taking it, by the way, and I'm taking that brand. Like, the data and the research on it is good enough for me

to take it. And my question about it, not that specific brand, but just you're a late-night in general. And my question on a lot of these things, is something like omega-3s or magnesium glycinate

or methylated bees, we know what happens when you eat them. You absorb them into your body and they get into your cells. - Right. - And with some of these sort of newer supplements

where the data and underlying research behind them is really strong, but we don't fully yet know how eating them in the form of a pill, for example, fully plays out in a large population. Like, I'm convinced enough that I am taking it.

- Yeah. - I'm looking to see over time, like,

“how does this play out in the data and actual humans?”

- Well, I did some work with me screen, and I know the founders of me screen, and so we were talking about different ways to improve mitochondrial health and they firmly backed it too.

So that was encouraging to me.

You said NAD plus, now here's what I say to you,

and for people listening, 'cause I've talked about this multitude of times. Your body, if you take NAD, straight NAD, cannot absorb NAD. It does not get into the cell, it is too large.

If you do not take a precursor, it will not work. So you take NAMN or NR, it can get into and penetrate the cell, which can then release NADs, and so many people don't get that. And they don't understand, my wife takes to NAMN, she loves it.

I'm a little cautious now and everything I take, but I've used it, I like it. But NAD, like you said, I'm glad you said that, it does not work, it does nothing. - Yeah, I don't take it, I don't recommend the IVs.

- No, and the other thing, and I'm gonna, you and I might be in a slightly different camp on the NAMN R and the precursor's nicotine, my riboside, I haven't seen compelling data that taking those, while you can absorb them, and they can get into the cell,

once it gets there, does any great shakes. - Yeah. - That's what I'm not convinced of. - Well, the study today is a problem too. - Doing anything, so our bodies, when we make this,

through our natural workings and metabolism, can use it. And I find the science on this particular area to be more theoretical than actually clinical, clinical meaning, we actually show that it improves health and cellular function in some way in humans

when we take these supplements. - Yeah. - So that's the part that's like patchy for me. - Mm-hmm. - So I'm not a no, but I'm a not yet. - I'm just glad you brought the NAD up,

'cause people get tripped. - Yeah. - They do. - Create teen obvious.

“Now, dilucing, b-tain, these are really key”

for muscle growth without having to use an anabolic steroid or anything like that. These actually work. They do quite well, and they are safe to use. 'Cause I'm trying to, I'm looking more on the safe side

as opposed to the reckless side, but when you talk about fully, I don't think people realize how important that is and if you're low, how significant of a problem that particular vitamin can be. So I'm glad you brought that up too.

I have been looking at making sure I'm more on level with that as I've understood more. - I'm gonna send you my favorite one. - Okay, please. I've looked into more intricate stuff,

the more problems I've had with the jargians. It's made me look at vitamins more than I did, 'cause I'm so focused on the obscure shit

and that may be taken step back and go, okay,

this is stripping me and I know that, but maybe I've been missing something this whole time too, that is just exacerbating a problem that I already have.

“And I think sometimes we look so obscure,”

we forget the basics. - I'm all about the basics right now. I get asked about peptides all the time, and I call them not peptides as in GLP ones, but peptides isn't like the longevity stacks.

And I call them not the icing on the cake, but the writing on the icing on the cake. And I see too many people writing their names in icing peptides and missing the cake and the icing. And the cake is the nutrition and the exercise

and the sleep and the getting the environmental toxins out of your system and your life. The icing is the supplements that we're talking about, the vitamin D3s and the omega, the omega's and the creatine, and I'm gonna say it through the year of the night,

and there I'll put that in the basket for now. It's in the icing basket until it gets kicked back to writing. (laughs) We'll say, maybe it won't. And those things will not work,

and they will not be enough. And some of them are straight up placebo effect. And some of them have some validity that's coming and getting better and better. And I think are interesting.

“And I'm all four peptides of the exact technology,”

like nothing against them. I'm excited for them. But I just see too many people skipping the cake and the icing and going to the writing. And it's not, it's not benefiting their long-term health

and it's not really even benefiting how they feel that much right now. - Well, it's a want everything now and not to understand that some marathon, not a sprint.

Things have to be taken care of first.

I've been battling this for 15 years with people. I found a peptide in 2011 on with sarms, along with everything else, and people just don't get it. They just want, want, want, but they don't ever get what they're supposed to out of them

because their bodies aren't ready. Just like what you're saying. If you get optimized first, then you take a look at that stuff. But I digress.

- I'm with you. I'm with you. (laughs) - I had such a great conversation with you. I enjoyed every second of this.

Thank you for all of the extensive knowledge. We knew we'd get in all kinds of things. - I didn't even know where this was going to go. (laughs) - Nobody ever does when they come here.

I just try to bring out the best in everybody. And let you talk about stuff that you may not talk about. I don't want you to have to talk about the same old, same old.

“Of course, there's certain important things,”

but I want to show your versatility. I want to show that you have an extensive knowledge base and let it shine. - Thank you. - My goal, my purpose in this world,

or let's say my professional purpose in this world, is because family and being a mother and a partner and all these things are also my purpose and being a light is also my purpose. But my professional purpose is really around transforming

the health of as many people as possible. - It's beautiful. - And it's showing and helping people understand what I know and what I've seen in practice and what I've had the privilege of seeing

in a practice like Parsley where we've been able to treat tens of thousands of patients and so we're able to see what really works and really doesn't kind of beyond these tiny little practices that just that privilege

of having seen that is huge. And so I'm honored to be here and to get to have this conversation with you and to cover everything from peptides to prayer. In one, I don't know how long we've been here people.

It could be hours, it could be days, but however long it is, it's just an honor to be here and thank you so much. - Thank you, we'll tell everybody and I'll link all of this in description.

What are the best places to find you? - Yep, Parsley Health.com and Parsley Health on all the socials. You can do a free 15-minute consult call with one of our team members to learn more

about our medical care or you can just sign on up up to you. And then for me, RobinBursinMD.com, I have a newsletter that's really focused on female longevity, that's kind of my passion project and people seem to really like that

and RobinBursinMD on all the platform of choice. - I love it. - Yep. - Well, thank you for coming again.

I am always just humbled when people come see me

and I appreciate it. And I am excited about what Parsley does and what hopefully is going to continue to make changes for health and everybody so. Thank you for everything.

- Thank you. And when you go on your Instagram, if you see me, I tagged you. I videoed myself outside dancing 'cause I'm saying you need a waiting room

and I'm dancing on the street. So, I'm repost me making fun of your waiting room situation on Instagram. - I love it, I love it. All right, everybody, well, that wraps up another one.

I am certain this will be highly impactful

Listen to everything we said and improve your health, please.

“So, that being said, stay tuned for Plenty Morton”

to come Dylan Jamelli and Dr. Robin Bursin.

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