Sen. Chris Van Hollen Wants To Give 130 Million Americans a Tax Cu

Hey everybody, welcome back to the Findout podcast. We've got a great show for you today. We have Senator Chris Van Hall and the senior Senator from Maryland. Senator, it's great to have you today. It's good to be back with you guys, thanks.

Yeah, we were just joking before that we seem to see you every week or two.

So we're glad to see you again and there's always good stuff to talk about.

And I want to dive into this bill that you just released last week, which is called the, sorry, I cannot see without my glasses. Oh, the working Americans tax cut, the working Americans tax cut, which has an oppressive number of sponsors and also groups that are endorsing this. So Senator, this is a unique bill from Democrats.

You don't usually see like eliminating taxes for a wide swath of people. Why don't you tell us what this bill is and what it could do for people who are really getting squeezed by Trump's tariffs and a slowing economy? Well, the fundamental idea behind this bill is exactly a recognition that people are working harder than ever and still being squeezed.

So people are making a paycheck, but because of the high costs and prices that they're facing, they're just struggling to get by. And so this is the working Americans tax cut bill. And the idea is essentially, if you're making a living wage, in other words, just enough to support yourself or yourself and the family, then you shouldn't be paying federal income taxes.

“You should be essentially able to keep more of what you earn in order to pay your bills.”

And you know, have it dignified life for yourself and your family. That's the fundamental idea. 130 million Americans will benefit. They'll have a little bit more of their paycheck to keep. It is fully paid for an offset by a certain tax on millionaires, right?

Starting with a 5% tax on the first dollar over a million dollars a year.

So if you're making over a million dollars a year on that first dollar of a million, you'll pay 5% as a little escalating sur tax. That's about 1.5 trillion. And it provides the revenue to provide relief for people who are working paycheck to paycheck. And I think if I'm reading this curriculum, they're all making fun of me because I can't see without my glasses, but there's also a reflection. So I don't do it.

But this would essentially mean that anybody who's making the median average income, which is about $46,000 for a single filer, they would pay no federal income tax correct. And I think right now, that's almost a doubling of what it is.

“I think it's somewhere in the 20,000 range now. Is that correct?”

Well, you're right. It's for somebody who's income is a single person. Who's income is about $45,000 a year. That's about the median cost of living expense in America. And what that means is that they're just making enough to meet their basic expenses. And so right, if you're in that category or below, at that income level or below, you would not pay income taxes. It about doubles the number of Americans who are not paying

income taxes from about 30,000, I think, to maybe 60,000 an average. Yeah, I mean, that's just a tremendous amount. I mean, for these folks, I mean, what are the things that we talked to you about when you were on our state of the union show? Was I asked you a very pointed question about, and I'm going to have you answer it again for people who didn't hear it, but has Donald Trump put forward any proposals to actually

reduce costs for the American public and the answer is?

Well, the overall answer is on costs. No, right. In fact, we're seeing costs go through the roof. And as I've said before, including on your show, that includes his illegal tariff tax. And he should give every American household that $1,700 back. And he should do it right now. So, right, costs are going through the roof. And, you know, with this word, Iran in addition to live's loss, we're, of course, seeing upward movement on pressure.

“In the Republican tax bill, it's important to remember they called it the big beautiful bill.”

Beautiful for billionaires, pretty much sucked for everybody else. I would have a different be adjective. There were provisions in there that are going to expire in 2028 that did help some folks. So, for example, no tax on tips, right? No tax on overtime. And my view is those individuals, they should actually be getting a sustainable tax cut and actually a better tax cut. And it makes no sense to say that somebody's making $45,000 a year on tips should actually do

better than somebody who's making $45,000, but not on tips. And so our bill provides real relief

was that in the Trump tax bill, there was some minimal benefits, but your bill would obviously put much more money into the pockets of poor working class Americans who are dealing with these higher prices right now. You know, that as you said, I mean, it's a, it's a stunning number.

“Every American I believe is owed $1,700. I mean, Donald Trump gave poor and working class Americans”

one of the largest tax increases in history. And it's really interesting that, you know, I'm looking at the sponsors on your bill. And I don't see any Republicans who want to cut taxes for people who are making $46,000 and below. You know, I keep hearing that these guys care about the working class Americans, but they don't seem interested in cutting their taxes. If it means their billionaire friends are going to, you know, have a slightly higher marginal rate that they're

going to have to pay. Well, that's exactly right, because they say one thing and they always do another.

The billionaires got a permanent tax cut in their bill. This no tax on tips provision expires in two years. And if you look at the overall benefits of the Trump plan, about 75% go to the top 20% and about 50% go to the top by percent. Whereas in our bill, it's the folks at the 80% and below that we'll see all the benefits that do flow from this bill. So we're actually focused on those working Americans. He's focused on the billionaires side of the question on this,

because for me, I come from a marketing background. And my question with all these bills, always is, how do you market this to swing voters? Like, it sounds like a great idea, but like, what is, what's the strategy for getting them to perk up? Because I feel like those are the kind of people where you need something quick and they just need to understand it. So like, because Trump, you know, the book, call it the big beautiful bill, right? Like, that's, you know, he's a master of that stuff.

Have you guys talked at all about how you would approach marketing this to people who really need to be the ones that go, yes, I really understand that they're doing this for me as opposed to trying to focus on billionaires and billionaires? Yeah, this is a bill that will help the folks that Trump claim he was helping. And it's going to be those folks who are essentially earning a paycheck. And that paycheck is, you know, enough to support their basic living expenses.

And we don't want them to have to pay a federal income tax and essentially have a living wage taken away. So effectively we're talking about working people middle class Americans who often are getting screwed in this process. And they're the folks who will benefit and they will benefit

significantly. Like I said, 130 million Americans will benefit from this. And it will be paid for

by the folks making over a million dollars every single year who've been making off out like bandits, especially, you know, those who are earning a lot of money off of money as opposed to money off of hard work. So let me put it this way. The affordability equation has two sides to it, right? They're the costs, which are going up and up and up. And we need to contain them, right? The cost of electricity of groceries, of childcare, of healthcare. And we need to really ramp

down on those costs by going after big money special interest. But then the other side of the equation is how much money you got here paycheck. Right. And we're focused in this bill on

“that part, because we think that you should be able to keep more of what you earn to pay your”

basic living expenses. I want to ask a question about tax cuts. The stimulative effect of tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires compared to tax cuts for poor working class Americans. My understanding correct me if I'm wrong. You know, the Republicans have said since 1980s with Ronald Reagan, that if you give massive tax cuts to millionaires and billionaires, that then there will be a

trickle down effect on to everybody else, basically the scraps of what the billionaires are spending

their money on. But my understanding is that, you know, like if you are giving tax credits to families that are barely making ends meet, that is actually a far better stimulus of effect on the economy than if you're giving it to say Jeff Bezos or Elon Musk, who's I think almost at a trillion dollars of debt worth, like how much money can they possibly spend? I'm curious.

“I assume I know your answer, but I'd love to hear your. But that's absolutely right. And I think,”

you know, people wouldn't think about this a little bit. It's intuitive, right? If you're Jeff Bezos and you make another buck, you're not going out to spend it on groceries or, you know, at your local retail stores and helping your local businesses, whereas if you're making enough income, just to get by or pay your basic living expense, you're taking that extra tax money that's now

going out to your local businesses, your local restaurants, and you're spending it. So a much bigger as you said, cumulative effect. So it benefits everybody and does really lift all boats. The Republican trickle down argument is just BS, right? What we've seen in the past is that the folks who do well, the yachts, the already rich are lifted up. Everybody else is kind of training water

or sinking. This will help everybody. It seems like those billion are guys. They don't really

like to share. That seems to be the, it seems to be the whole thing, right? They're like a dragon hoarding wealth on their pile of gold. That's exactly right. So you know, when Donald Trump gave that speech on his inauguration day, and he said, you know, it's going to be the golden age of America. Yeah. You remember the guys who were sitting behind it, right, Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk, they're like, you know, they're just gilding the lily. And, you know, we got a billionaire cabinet,

these guys wake up every day, and they just want to make more money from themselves and their families and their billionaire buddies, including gross corruption, obviously, this Trump administration. Yeah. I have a question that sort of built around how you packaged this with other stuff,

“because I think coming into the next election, a lot of people want to see from Democrats,”

certain things like universal health care proposals, or, you know, child care, all that sort of stuff. How does the economics of this idea sort of square with the budgetary constraints of pursuing those sorts of things in conjunction? Yeah. Look, I very much believe that we need to extend the Affordable Care Act tax credits. In fact, you know, my view is that, yeah, we want to we want to address some of the broken aspects of the system, but my view is the overall health care

system is pretty much broken, and we need a Medicare for all system. That's my view. And we need more affordable childcare, and this bill that I've introduced along with, you know, 19 colleagues all overall. This is not intended to be the only Democratic tax plan, right? It works together with other proposals, including tax on wealth. For example, Bernie Sanders has introduced a bill that it has a wealth tax, and he uses some of those proceeds, for example, to expand Medicare,

to include coverage for, you know, eyesight, and hearing, and dental. I've long supported that.

“So this is to be viewed in tandem. I will say, though, I think it's a very important piece of it.”

I think it's an important pillar because, you know, this goes to people who are currently paying income taxes, who have current income tax liability. And I do think so many of those folks are getting squeezed more and more, and this provides them with some relief. Yeah, it's a direct response to the situation on the ground, right? I mean, that's a hundred percent what it is. If you don't do both at the same time, protect the future and the short term. It's just,

you know, it's all going to kind of fall flat. So I think that makes a lot of sense. That's great.

And, you know, I am curious in that vein of like, what are your thoughts? Because I always,

I don't really know the ins and outs and the details of this, but the best way to tax the wealth of billionaires. Obviously, the majority of their wealth is actually coming from assets that are intangible and, you know, the way that they trade. So like, I've seen some proposals from Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, what do you think is the best route forward to tap into that money? People essentially just move money around and make money off that movement. What do you think is the

best avenue to actually be able to take some of that money and put it into the benefit of the average American? Yeah. So there are two pieces to this. And what you're getting at is the one of the fundamental problems in our system, which is that people who make most of their money off of money get a much better deal tax-wise than people who are making money off their hard work every day. And people are passing on that wealth from one generation to the next tax-free. We are literally

creating this huge American aristocracy, which of course, you know, runs counter to the whole idea that, you know, people are going to come to the United States, work hard, and build themselves up by the bootstraps. People are literally passing on billions of dollars. And they're in mean tax. So years ago, and I will reintroduce it, I propose something to get rid of step-up basis.

Because what happens is, let's say we all make a billion dollars. That's, you know, okay,

that's good. And then, you know, we all die. Not as good. That billion dollars, the gains is passed on tax-free to our ears. And so, through what's called step-up basis. So my view

“is you get rid of that, but even that's probably not enough. You need to begin with huge”

fortunes, like multi, you know, billion dollar fortunes, to actually tax that with a wealth tax.

elements to them. Bernie Sanders has won, Elizabeth Warren has won, Ron Wyden has won. And I do think that we need to pursue that approach in addition to what we're talking about in this bill, which is income over a million dollars being taxed. Some of that is also investment income, right? It's not, that's not all wage income. We do make sure that we hear taxing those

“gains for people making over a million bucks a year. Yeah, because I think even to today,”

correct me from wrong, but the, the taxes that even at the highest rate, which I think is 20% or

somewhere around that, the on, on basically dividends, which, which if you're a billion error,

can be millions and millions of dollars per year, that is still taxed at a lower rate than most Americans income, correct? Which, again, seems like a very messed up system. That's not quite right to me. It is a totally messed up system and, you know, it goes to the point where we say, like, you know, Warren Buffett's secretary has a higher effective tax rate than, or in Buffett or take any of these, you know, folks. And so, yeah, there's no reason we should give preferential tax

treatment to someone who's making money off a money compared to those folks who are making money through their paycheck and wages. It's insane. Yeah, 100%. Well, I've, I've also been really impressed

“at some of the groups that you've gotten to endorse this bill already. I think I've seen the AFL”

CIO, the Federation of Teachers and the National Education Association. It seems like there's a

lot of real excitement and energy behind this bill. What, what can people who are listening, who are all across the country right now, what can they do to, to make sure that their members are supporting this bill as well? Yeah, look, for now, if they could reach out to their Democratic senators, as you pointed out earlier, Republicans, they talk a good game. They're not going to support any bill that taxes, you know, millionaires, right? They just, they go small. Those are

their buddies. So, if people can call in to their, and write in or reach out to their senators, Democratic senators, and Democratic House members, we want to build momentum. We already have, you know, 19 senators, and, you know, it includes both, in a, Angus King from Maine, but also Bernie Sanders, right? We have some of the folks, people think of as the more moderate members of our caucus, but also the most progressive members of our caucus. And I'm glad you

raised the endorsing groups, because, you know, the FLCIO, I mean, their whole reason for being as the help, working people, making a paycheck. So, they're very much for this American Federation of teachers, you know, teachers are already underpaid in our country. And so, this is their number one priority. They announced this is their number one priority to provide their teachers with a little bit more money in their pockets. And then we've got invisible, we've got move on,

we've got public citizen. There's a group called Patriotic Millionaires who recognizes they've done very well in this country, and they want to make sure other people have a chance to make it to. So, we have a great coalition. People should call in and ask their members to co-sponsor the bill in the House and the Senate, and the House is done by our congressman Don buyer. He's introduced the bill. So, that would be a big help.

“Right. Well, everybody, you should call your members. Even if they are Republicans, you should”

call them and give them a hard time about this, because this strikes me as a sound policy that's trying to write some of the wrongs that frankly, you know, the Republicans and conservatives have been sort of screwing Americans since the 80s. I mean, you could see that the income inequality gap has exploded as trickle down economics seems to have gained footing. I think we have cut

taxes on rich people now, like five times since the 80s and never have seen any stability of

effect whatsoever. So, I'm hoping that the fifth times the charm and people will realize we should not do this anymore, but we will see. But I appreciate this. I also think a lot of people don't know, and I'm going to dig into something that happened two years ago when you mentioned teachers. There was a bill and I think you supported it that Joe Biden signed that expanded the amount of teachers that were eligible for social security. I think it was a bill that was passed in January

of 2025, and that one's personal to me, because my mom was a teacher in Maine, which was part of the group that didn't actually qualify for social security. So that changed last year. That made a big difference for teachers. So I, yeah, why do you mention that? There's essentially been a car about for a group of Americans, and I'm glad we were able to bring everybody into the fold on social security. Yeah. And she spends the money, trust me. So it's getting back out there. I do want to turn

minutes left, but I want to talk about Iran for a second. And, you know, obviously this war is not

“popular. We lost more service members. I think we're over 10 now. You know, you are privy to a lot”

more information than the average person. Do you have any idea why we are there and what the goal is? So we've as of today, lost 13 of our service members hundreds wounded and over 2,000 civilians in that region killed, including about 150 Iranian school girls who are hit by a Tomahawk missile.

Meanwhile, we've seen prices going up, and we're spending over a billion dollars a day in

Iran. When I say we, I mean, American taxpayers, right? It's well over 13 billion and they're asking for much more. And so people should be asking us, what the hell is this all about? And the reality is the Trump administration gives constantly shifting reasons. And the reason they constantly shift them is after they make one argument, people say that doesn't make sense and shoot it down. So for example, they said we are doing this to go after Iran's nuclear program. They don't have

“a nuclear weapons capacity. And in fact, I think most Americans remember when Donald Trump told”

them last year that we had obliterated their nuclear. So every time they come up with one rationale,

it proves to be false. They move to another false one. The bottom line is they have no endgame.

So what they've done is taking the lid off Pandora's box and ignored the warnings frankly from the professional intelligence services where all the public reports indicate that they forecast that if you got rid of the, you know, supreme leader, you could actually get somebody more radical. And the Islamic Revolutionary Guards would be strengthened. And so that's what Donald Trump's done. He's gone into a war that he promised he would not take us into 100 times promised.

And put all of us at greater risk at great costs. So we should end this war yesterday. And I hope everybody will call upon their members of Congress from both parties to vote, not just for the war powers resolutions, but also insist that the Republicans put up an authorization he's military

force because I don't think they will actually want to vote for it. And ultimately, you know,

we just shouldn't be providing any more money for this war that's making us less safe. So one thing that's really disturbing to me, Ed, you, you, you were actually born in the region.

“I think you're born in Karachi, right, in Pakistan. And so you, you know more about this area than”

most people. My understanding is that Donald Trump has been reaching out to our allies for assistance in this war. And is essentially getting silence, which I think is maybe one of the only times in history that we have ever launched a war like this and had everybody, mostly everybody. I know the British are letting us use bases, but mostly everybody is just on their hands up and been like, no, we are not doing this. Well, yeah, you're right, my father was a career foreign service officer.

So, you know, like a military family, we lived at different parts of the world, came home. And you're absolutely right that our friends and allies around the world are looking at this and going, what the hell did you just do? And we don't want to be dragged into this. And of course, it's really rich for Donald Trump to now be criticizing NATO members who don't want to get sucked into this war after he threatened Greenland, which is, you know, as part of, part of, you know, Denmark,

one of our, you know, NATO allies, he threatened them. And right now he loosened the restrictions on sale of oil to Putin. So, right, he is, he's actually providing more money for Putin's war machine to go after Ukraine, which, of course, our NATO allies have been working very hard to prove. You make sure we don't reward Putin's aggression. So, Donald Trump is rewarding Putin. He's hurting our allies and putting us all at greater danger. So, no wonder they don't want to have

anything to do with this mess. And to your point in earlier conflicts, we did even, even those where I, for example, I was very much against the Iraq war. But there was more effort by the previous administrations to get some coordination with our allies. But, you know, we should have learned

not go in any more wars and focus on bringing down costs instead of starting wars and raising costs.

Yeah, I mean, the gas prices, I mean, I live in New York City, so they're, but like, you know, two or three weeks ago, they were 260 a gallon, and then I walked by it today. It's 350. I mean, it's got up 90 cents a gallon. And I'm curious, uh, Senator, you know, obviously

“Maryland's a blue state. I think I asked you another, in one of our other times I asked a similar”

question. But like, you do have a fair amount of right, excuse me, right, or Republican areas, or conservative areas. What are you hearing from your constituents about the gas prices in particular? Because a 90 cent 80 90 cent increase is can be devastating for for working-class families. Yeah, look, we were already hearing from folks in every part of our state, including the rural areas of Western Maryland, Eastern Shore, many of them voter for Donald Trump,

many of them already feel betrayed, right, because of rising costs and rising prices, including from the tariffs. I mean, that just walloped a lot of small businesses in Maryland. And now you have this on top of that, right, you have these rising gas prices, rising diesel prices. And they are going, what the hell, right, this is, this is the guy who said he was going to keep us out of wars. Now he's getting us into wars, which in addition to the human costs,

“we're also experiencing these, you know, price increases. So I think a lot of them are like,”

what the hell, I mean, you've all seen these tapes, right, back when Obama was present, Donald Trump said that Obama was going to take us into war with Iran, because Obama didn't know how to negotiate anything. Well, Obama negotiated a deal to prevent Iran from getting a nuclear weapon,

right, Donald Trump comes along and his first term tears it up. And now he's the one who can't

break into negotiate. And Netanyahu, just the other day, Prime Minister Netanyahu Vizreal said, he's been waiting 40 years. This is a quote from a couple, 40 years to go after Iran with, with the Americans. And the sad thing is that, you know, took a president stupid enough and reckless enough to fulfill Prime Minister Netanyahu's goal of going to war against Iran. That's just madness. Well, I have one final question, Senator,

at it is a bit of a two-partner. And I haven't asked anybody this question yet. So I apologize for you being the first. But I saw you speak at a progressive conference a few months ago. I knew who you were. I didn't know a lot. And I saw you. And I was really impressed with that. And I was impressed with you're going down to El Salvador to get Diego Garcia, Kilmar Brego Garcia, released, which you did, which was really impressive. And I obviously see this bill,

which has an impressive range of progressive and moderate Democrats connected to it. I've seen a lot of

“ideas coming from you. Are there any other jobs that you may be interested in, Senator?”

Moving forward? You know, you're going to start getting these. So I got to start.

It'll look. So, you know, first, let me just say I am very focused on trying to help our colleagues

in 2026. And of course, the House and the Senate for Democrats. I just did an event in Maryland for Roy Cooper. We're going to do one for James Taloreco. I've done others for colleagues. That is immediate goal number one. But number two, I do believe in 2028 that it's not going to be enough that we simply say what we're against. We have to be clear what we're for, including this middle class working people's tax cut, including making sure that all of us aren't having to

put the bill for these data centers, for the richest companies on the planet. So I do plan one way or another to be a strong voice in shaping what the Democratic Party will run on. Exactly what form that takes. I don't know, I will say it's been about a year now, since they snatched Camarbrego Garcia off the streets of Maryland. He is now back home with his family. But the Trumpers are still engaged in a vindictive prosecution against him. But I do remember a year ago.

There were a lot of Democrats who were, you know, quietly grumbling, oh, don't, don't do that, don't rock the boat. And I hope we've all learned the lesson that finger on the wind politics is weak. It's a losing proposition. And I do worry sometimes that Democrats are too, hedging their bats, finger in the wind. You can't hedge your bats when you're facing a tyranny and an authoritarian regime like we're facing now. So I'm all in for the fight whatever

you did get some flag for that. And you're like, oh, people were like, oh, it's performative.

Oh, that's not going to do anything. Well, you know what? It worked. And we got him back. It also raised the giant spotlight onto this issue. So I hope every Democrat that is running for

“office is watching because I think we are ones that would say action over words, like we're kind of”

tired of hearing the sort of status quo stuff. And anybody who goes for a higher job, saying they want a return to quote unquote normalcy, I think is is DOA, like it's just not. We need a new path forward. Yeah, amen to that look. Yes. Anybody who thinks that we should just go back to the pre-Trump status quo is delusional. Yeah. After all, Trump want because of that status quo. Right. We're feeling that status quo. He promised change. Of course, we're getting change in all the worst ways

under Donald Trump. But that doesn't mean we just sort of go rewind the tape and start where we were.

That is nuts. The American people want change. And I think they want big change and for good reason. Well, Senator, I think we all completely agree. And you you you stayed over a few minutes. So we appreciate you taking the extra time. Where could people follow you online? What do you do? Is there a place in particular, they should follow you? Yeah. Well, look, I'm on X. I'm on Instagram. I'm on all of those channels, YouTube. So yes, please, please join me. And most of all, please make sure everybody works

hard to save our country. I I salute every day that folks in Minneapolis who literally are blowing their whistles to protect their neighbors and on the illegal ice operations. But let's do it together. We'll only win this together. 100%. Well, thank you, Senator. We really

appreciate it. And thank you for coming on to talk about the your workers tax cut bill,

“which I think is a really great way people should check it out and encourage their members”

to to endorse it. So thank you, Senator. And hopefully we'll have you back on maybe down the road. If you've got other things you want to talk to us about, we will do that. So thank you very much. Cheers, sir. Thanks. Hi. Hey, everybody. Do you know what's even more awesome than watching or listening to the Findup podcast? Becoming a member of the Findup Media Network. For $10 a month, you'll get access to all of our shows and bonus content. Plus, you are going to

help build our company up so that we can produce more shows and create more content to move more people to the left. So if you could join us at either Patreon or on our Substeck at findoutmedia.substeck.com, we would appreciate it. Thank you. Well, guys, I have to say I have become a big fan of Senator Van Hall and after meeting with him a few times over the past few months. I got to say, I'll say it now. The rough. I think he's a dark horse candidate for presidency.

“I really do. I think he won. He's been in the house in the Senate to. He's got both foreign policy”

domestic three. He seems to be able to pull progressives and moderates together, which I think is going to be a big thing for Democrats. So I know a lot of people, they owe him right now, but I think people are going to get to know him over the, over the next few months. And you are 70. Which is a win. That's a win for me. There you go. There you go. The thing about him being born in Pakistan, guaranteed the right would run fucking rampant with it. Well, it's the same thing

that John McCain, because John McCain was born in Panama, and his dad was in the Navy. It's the same, it's the same idea. So there's really no legal, but they lose their fucking mind. Oh, I'm sure they will find it. But that's the thing with any candidate. Anybody could have, I mean, you could run as clean as campaign as you possibly fucking, no skeletons in the closet and they'd find something. Yeah. Oh, yeah, definitely. But this is also why it is important that people like us exist.

So that there is more of an ecosystem to fight back on that, because it's going to be awful, right? They're going to, they're going to make up the worst stuff. And if it's a woman or a person of color who's the nominee, like it's going to be infinitely worse. Yeah. So it's good that we are all, we're all out here to make sure that doesn't happen. Yeah. Who be clear, infinitely worse in that the right will be losing their fucking shit? Oh, yeah.

Well, they're going to, they're going to do it anyways. I mean, I'd also like seeing more and more of these Nick Fulentes types, see me. Oh, my God. But like the thing is that that's like the one interesting, I've been kind of like quiet watching it in the last week, watching them in fight about the role, about the war, and they're still like the infighting between clandest and erica, it's pretty interesting. It's interesting. Well, did you see this, uh,

do you watch the documentary? No, the manosphere one is out here talking about? Yes, I got a watch. I actually want him to come on the shot. We got to get him on the show, because we have to watch it that we have to, because, but no, how what was your take? Um, it may be loose faith in humanity a little. Yeah. Like it's like surprisingly. Well, because like I had seen it online, right? The

which is just insanity. That's, yeah, say that again. So the people understand what that

“is. Because it's like taking actual like a ball-peen hammer and tapping them, like break their jaw”

to like get it micro break it to get it to like be a sharper jawline. Same. There's a fucking leaderboard of like progress like ranked by viewers on twitch and shit of like who is the objectively most Chad slash like fuck. I don't, I'm not even like, I'm chronically online and I'm not even that chronically online. Like I don't even know the terminology and it sickens me a little. That's horrible. And then, have you seen this up? I don't even know if I should

bring it up. This, go for it. This argument between Megan Kelly and Mark 11, a right wing,

and she is, she's now referring to him as having a micro penis. I'm, oh, this is amazing. And then

Marjorie Taylor Green jumps in, quote, retweets it to confirm that she also believes that Mark 11 or Levine, whatever it is, has a micro penis. This is the argument on the, on the, on the right. Oh my god, this is great. Which, yeah, we got, we got dipshits that are hitting themselves in the face for the hammer. And then, and these people talking about Mark Levine's micro dick. Oh, God. This is the world we live in. We're being ruled by idiots. Yes, but like the most

embarrassing part is that we lost to them twice. Yes, that is fucking. So like we should laugh and mock

“that. And I think they're cry a little cry a little, but I do think that they're pulling”

themselves apart at the seams, right? Like they are now like because they're all trying to figure out who's going to be the big man or a big woman. I guess after Trump's gone, right? Because this is sort of what all of this is about, right? This is shocking for position and power. You know, you've got Mark Levine who is pro war, and I guess Megan Kelly who, on top of not liking anyone that's not white, I guess is anti war. Like it's hard. These all these horrible people are

arguing and all I can say is there's that graphic that's from a movie that just says let them fight. Yep. And that's my take. Let them eat each other alive. Yes, there's no question about it. I mean, the other piece of it, too, is prior to this. They were in the minority and they were Republicans weren't in power and all this stuff was like something new to the average person. And now,

whenever he's actually seen it, they're like, oh, this is horrendous. Never mind. And then just going

backwards, which is awesome. That's exactly what we do is going to happen. But right, some people had to see it to believe it. Well, I think that's all we are going to talk about today. But I do want to mention a couple things. Luke, you launch a new show. Get angry. Yes. Yes. And it fucking charted. It did. Awesome. We have been told that is almost impossible to chart with a brand new show with the fuckers. We've done a twice. And so get angry is going to the second, well,

“it's up everywhere. If you want to go check it out. Yeah. Yeah. The next episode drops Wednesday. Wednesday.”

And then we've got shows coming next week, which we'll talk about next time. So you got to come back and listen to us on Thursday. But we've got, do we have two launching next week or one? I need to. We have two shows launching next week, which we'll talk about on Thursday in a little more detail. But please go check out get angry with Luke and country artist Brian Andrews. And I tell you, if you need like, you know how like a basketball, there's warm up music or football, there's like

difference. Like, if you need to get hyped up and you don't have any music around, put gay get angry in it. That will send you like bouncing around the room. And also trying to break the record for the most F-bombs dropped. Oh, yeah. Which I think it was 90 something. 90 94 and 35 minutes. I think pretty sure. But you know what? What I liked is I saw there were people referring to themselves as grandma's who said they loved it. So like they're hitting

all the demographics on the crest. I was very impressed by many people liking it. I'm on loved it. She's in her 70s. So you're killing it, dude. That's great. Hell yeah. That's great. Well, go check out get angry. Also, make sure you sign up to the findout media, findout media newsletter at findoutmedia.substack.com. That's where all of our shows are going to be released from. That's also where if you get a membership there, you'll get access to all of the

the extras that we're going to be putting out along with the shows. So and that is just $10 a month. You eventually will have seven shows and that's just the start. We're going to build a lot more. So check that out, too. But with that, we are going to wrap because I got to get out of my house before my child comes back. And so everybody, have a wonderful day. We'll be back on Thursday.