The Girlfriends S5/Bonus Ep 1: Get Back Down Here Off Your High Horse

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I started reporting on the case when Derek had been arrested, but not yet sentenced. This is Rachel Monroe. In 2017, she was a reporter for the Atlantic. And she set about covering a huge story on folding in Texas. They live in Texas and so.

Everything's bigger in Texas, including the crimes. The arrest of Derek Holdrett, was scamming a woman in the colony. This was kind of the first time that there was like a hope that this is all going to be connected. People are going to understand that this isn't just a bunch of individual crimes, but a larger pattern on the one hand.

“I think they wanted to share about the case and make it really clear that this was a pattern of behavior,”

but also at the same time, they were cautious because he'd been caught so many times before and it hadn't really seemed to matter. But the process of writing the case wasn't exactly smooth. A lot of women had spoken to the media before. In 2014 and 2016, before any arrest was on the horizon, meticulously reported pieces, alleging a long history of fraud. I do want to give a ton of credit to Lauren Lemanchek who's the reporter Minneapolis who really broke this story and did a lot of the legwork.

This is some of these women had told their stories publicly with some level of anonymity through her, but I had a hard time tracking these people down and so I flew to Minneapolis like not knowing whether anybody would speak with me or not. And even when she did, they were also really spread out all over the country. Texas, Hawaii, Arizona, and a whole bunch in Minnesota, and even once Rachel tracked them down, she encountered a growing hesitancy to speak to the media. There are reluctant, I think, for understandable reasons.

Probably the key reason among those understandable reasons was this.

I can't describe the bashing that the public gave us people are very powerful behind their computers.

Even the most thoughtfully carefully sensitively reported stories can't guarantee how an audience will react. You know, everybody said we were stupid to give them money. How could we be so stupid? If you've been listening closely, you'll know as well as I do that this is a stupid question for anyone to be asking any of these women. Let alone Dorie. None of us gave him money. He went through files, he went through purses, he went through wallets, he went through checkbooks, he waited till you were out of the room.

It didn't really matter how exactly Derek actually got his hands on the money.

Every time this case got reported over the years, the women at the center of it came face to face with a pervasive idea that they were in some way or another. Partly to blame for what happened to them. That they were at best vulnerable, naive, and at worst. Or help a stupid or these women. They're just desperate, y'all are an embarrassment, y'all are pitiful. Rachel's article came out in 2018. Four months before that sentencing here and showed down. It's good, really thoughtful and sensitively reported.

But her peace didn't escape the inevitable backlash either.

“I think there's a resistance to admitting part of the pleasure of these scammer stories as the reader.”

You're occupying this all-knowing position. It's already happened. You know that it's a scam. That kind of gives you a false sense of security. I'm smarter than this. I wouldn't fall for it. I'm fascinated by this kind of response. Deep down, if we're honest, maybe we all sometimes think it couldn't happen to me.

You can kind of intellectually know, like, oh, this could happen to anybody, but truly. These techniques are time-tested and they really work, which means they can work on none of us. It's been a few years now since Rachel Monroe's article came out. So she's had some time to reflect on it all.

“I also had to sit down with me, give me the benefit of her hindsight.”

Explain how it all unfolded for her.

She's, like, in his jail uniform as a fraudster, and he's telling me this stuff, and I'm like, oh, amazing.

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Bonus episode 1. Get back down here off your high horse. Maybe every story is a manipulation, but in true crime, the stakes are pretty high. What drew you to the Derek Oldard case? A person who was close to me had fallen for a romance scam, just learning about it through her. It kind of caught me off guard having it hit close to home.

Made it feel much more this role.

And then also just, like, a really incredible woman, like, super savvy, super attractive.

And this scam lasted for, like, months and months and months. It was incredibly elaborate, you know, that the guy, like, knew her kid's names. You know, they would have these, like, long, long, long phone conversations. The fact that so much work was being put into, you know, scamming this, like, one individual person. That it was happening at the same really intimate level.

And then also just seeing how it impacted her life and her emotions. You know, it's one thing to lose a bunch of money. And it's another thing to lose trust in yourself and lose trust in the world. And, you know, just seeing the emotional ramifications made me think that this form of it is new. It certainly seems to be growing and it's, like, having an impact beyond just, you know, financial loss.

I remember looking at the FBI statistics and seeing that this was, like, you know, among the top ways that people were losing money online was to these romance scams. If you think back, like, seven or eight years ago, this kind of romance scam was really not on the radar of a lot of people.

“I think that now there've been a lot of Netflix documentaries and podcasts like this one and it's much more well known.”

At the time, I think it was something that was certainly happening a lot, but not necessarily getting the attention that it deserved. And that just kind of blew my mind that it was the scale of it combined with how much it wasn't being talked about. So that was also something that was interesting to me. Like, why aren't we talking about this?

In order to scam these women, he was paying so much attention to them and, like, really kind of watching them and listening to them and learning about them to know like what would work on them and what they wanted and what would appeal to them.

And it's pretty close to somebody like listening to you and figuring out what you like and trying to please you because they like you.

“I was single at the time and I was dating and so I think there was also like a personal element for me, where thinking about those early stages of getting to know someone and that feeling of like really falling for someone which happens, like,”

way before you actually know them, the feelings kind of come before the facts in any case, like even if it turns out to be like a really good situation. And so I think thinking about how the romance scammer performs so many acts that like a good boyfriend also does and it's just, you know, like, how do you know which one is which. And it's really kind of scary. Yeah, of course, like you fall in love with the fantasy of someone when you're like dating before you actually know who they are completely.

God help the people that you were dating while you were reporting on this story.

Were you like quizzing them? Show me your phone. Who are you talking to? Rachel would go on to speak to a lot of women who were scammed by Derek for her piece in the Atlantic. But building trust after all that being through was a challenge. They had been deeply violated by this experience.

“Somebody that they trusted had lied to them. So there was like that level. And then I think a lot of them felt really traumatized by how they had been depicted.”

Just this idea that they were doops that they were suckers that they were pathetic. So I think that there was some hesitancy to trust and understandably so. One of the central women in Rachel's article is Linda. You've not heard from her directly in this series, but some of the details of her story will sound familiar to you. Linda was in a relationship with Derek Wardred back in 2016 when he was pretending to be Richie Peterson, the military vet. Linda went public with her story that same year. We met at a restaurant and then she went afterwards. She was like, let's go get a pedicure. And so I just remember sitting in the salon where you know side by side getting her toes painted and buffed.

And that's when she really kind of started to open up. I've never done that on a reporting trip before, but it helped me understand her as a person.

And then there was some feeling of like female solidarity. I think in, you know, just sitting side by side talking about her dating life before during an after this guy that helped me connect with her emotionally and it broke down some of the barriers that can sometimes be there as a journalist and sometimes we need those barriers. But it was a way to really feel like how this had hurt her. I love that. It's like it's such a nice opportunity when people are up for just kind of doing a thing with you.

The people working at the salon must just have the best gossip of anybody.

“I do remember, you know, after kind of having this bonding moment at the salon with Linda, she suggested that we go over to Missy's house, just like that's yes, that's amazing. Let's go.”

Missy was another woman that's so-called Richie Peterson had been dating at the same time. She had discovered the truth about Richie, that he was actually Derek, after finding his real ID card in his wallet while he's showered. She also found Linda's credit card, looked her up on Facebook and reached out to her, warning her of the truth. Like Dorian Tracy, over in Texas, Linda and Missy had struck up a friendship. Seeing the two of them together, Linda, she's a real kind of strong blonde Texas woman.

And Missy was really different, you know, the small and dark hair and just has kind of a single mom had like a different energy about her. And looking at them at the two of them and just, you would think, like, there's no way they would have anything in common, they never would have met otherwise, but they connected through sharing this experience that most people haven't had. But just show how broad Derek Skype was when it comes to the sort of women that he was pursuing. Yeah, if anything that pattern was that these were all like kind of savvy professional women and it makes sense that if you're trying to scam people out of money, you want to have find people who are like doing well.

That really was kind of the only consistent thing about them was that they were women who in a lot of ways were worth thriving in their lives and, you know, just looking for a man to kind of add to the picture.

Up until that point, Rachel had been focusing a lot on the harm and pain in the story.

And it's just seeing the two of them sprawled on the couch with Missy's daughter, like watching TV, you know, eating snacks, like gabbing. It was like, oh, yeah, this is a really important part of the story too, like how these women were able to take care of each other when they were being been in some cases failed by law enforcement and dismissed by other people in their lives. What was the public reaction to your peace specifically when it came out?

“I remember getting so many emails from people being like, I have a story like this, this happened to me, this happened to my aunt, this happened to my mother and, you know, will you follow up?”

Will you write about this man? Will you write about this man? And I sort of, it was sort of heartbreaking to have to write back to all of these people and be like, look, I'm sorry. I kind of done my romance scammer story and now I'm not covering that field anymore. And some of those stories I like passed on to to other reporters that I knew that I was just so struck by how many stories like this must be out there and that aren't being told.

I've read Rachel's piece, it's really good, you should go find it, it's called the perfect man who wasn't. It's really sensitively and thoughtfully written and I get a real sense of these women from reading it. But alas, the internet is the internet. There was like the original harm of being lied to and stolen from by this man and then this kind of secondary harm of like the victim blame me. That's coming up after the break.

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And you spoke about how the women in subsequent stuff that's come out about their story, have experienced lots of victim blaming from the public who are reading it.

“Do you think there's been a shift in the way the public react to those kind of stories now?”

I like to think so as a person who's like spent a lot of time reading consuming true crime and looking at the way people talk about true crime on the internet. It's like really shocking to me how no matter what, if you believe that it was the victims' fault,

then that's a way of thinking, "Oh, this would never happen to me because I wouldn't make them a stakes that they did."

So I'm not that hopeful about, I mean, I do think that on some level the discussion of romance scams, like as people have become more aware of them and as more people's lives have been touched by them. There is a better understanding of how pervasive this is and how it could really happen to anyone, but victim blaming in general and specifically when it's a situation that involves women and relationships, those bad old narratives still persist.

“That's why it's important to do podcasts like this is to remind people over and over again.”

I mean, that's what I was going to ask because of course, like we, as the people putting these stories out,

are responsible for the information that we give and there's a lot that we can do to paint a picture of a person that the audience is going to run with. I mean, I absolutely have experience of putting shows out and telling stories where I think I've been really kind of ethical and I feel like pleased with the way that I've portrayed someone and I've really thought it through and tried not to add to these awful stereotypes, and then still obviously people are going to say what they sound into that and you can't escape that.

I think it's also like letting survivors be fully human, not making what happened to them. The only thing in their life, you know, like letting them be in the stories that we're telling full complex people, even flawed people, you know, I think that sometimes one potential risk of centering, the victims or the survivors is there can be an incentive or like a feeling that we need to make the survivors into heroes, or angels, or as like a way to head off those internet commenters, but it's like, in a way,

“I think that does harm to the cause of, you know, telling full complete stories about full complete people.”

Like we all make mistakes, victims and survivors should be allowed to express their full humanity in the story. Yeah, because it's really tempting, I think, especially romance scams stories, and I mean, it's also sometimes in a scapegoat because it is just true, but it's really tempting to talk about how smart everybody is, because you want to be like, "No, they're so smart." Like, therefore, it could happen to all of us, but then also it's like, it would also be a terrible thing if they were, right, like objectively, not that smart.

Exactly, exactly. It's like, it's not terrible that it happened to a smart person, it's terrible that it happened to anybody. Stories that kind of portray victims is like, you know, pure, almost like non-human angels does do harm for like, other survivors, other victims because, you know, you look at a story like that and you're like, "Wow, I'm not that perfect." Like, maybe I did deserve what happened to me and it's like, "No, no, that's not true." It's like, we're all just humans kind of trying to get through life, not harming other people and not being harmed.

Like, you don't have to be an angel, a person who's never made a mistake of fully virtuous person to, you know, deserve our sympathy.

I think according to the Justice Department, only about 15% of fraud victims actually report the crime to law enforcement. And that's because of shame and guilt, embarrassment, kind of disbelief about what they've gone through. Why do you think it's so difficult for people to report these crimes? Through reporting the story became clear to me that some of that is justified because of law enforcement's response. You know, when law enforcement is dismissive, then why would you tell this to a cop if the cop is just gonna blame you and not do anything about it?

So, to a certain extent, the shame is internal, but it's also like coming from the people who are supposed to be helping too. Do you think there are things that we can do to kind of fairly portray survivors without adding to the stigma? This is something that is a lot better than it used to be as centering survivors in the stories and not fixating on the perpetrator, you know, making it all about him. Even if the story is like, he's so bad, he's so bad. This subtext of that is like, but he's also kind of special and brilliant, and he's the one we're paying attention to. So I think that has gotten a lot better and not just for romance scams,

I've tried my best over the years to make sure the girlfriends doesn't center a perpetrator, like, derrick or dread, but I also couldn't ignore him altogether, and neither could Rachel. A lot of these reflections about not centering the perpetrator were things that I learned through the process of writing and reporting the story, you actually meet derrick or dread. More after the break. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what, we have some big news. What's the new news?

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“So how do we, how do we actually come up with a name, hey, Jonas, guys?”

I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it, and oh, we are thinking, I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers. Well, this is how you guys remember it going down. Yes, I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast.

People could call in and say, hey, Jonas, and then I broke down on my little note pad. Hey, Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title. Oh, thank you.

But thanks for remembering that, guys.

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“You need to tell me what you know is somebody coming after me.”

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Like, that's what makes for an exciting thrilling story. Back in 2017, Derek was real keen to talk to Rachel about her pace. I think I was just hoping to like get a sense of who he was. His background, how did he explain what he did, what made him tick. You know, all of those questions that you have is journalists trying to get inside somebody's head.

At that time, Derek was being held on Vermont in Texas, awaiting his sentencing hearing. And so I made an appointment to go out there and see him.

was still like a video call.

It was a very weird kind of setup to almost like talking on a pay phone with this like grainy little video where I can see him in his prison uniform.

“He says everything that you would want a source to say, right?”

But there's more to this story. I'm really happy to talk to you. I'll tell you all about it. He said he was going to like give me the password to his email. He was like, oh, there's all of these like files. You could go into my email and you can see the emails between me and these women. And it has like, wow, that'll be so amazing.

Like, what a great thing to have. Then I could quote, you know, like, how he's seducing them and seal this behind the scenes and figure out the timing. And I got really excited. And you know, that all fell apart later. Of course, when Rachel says it could happen to you, she really does mean it. Because in a way, it happened to her.

Of course, he didn't do that.

Of course, that never happened.

All the exonerating detail, direct promised. Never quite materialized. He's like in his jail uniform as a fraudster and he's telling me this stuff. And I'm like, oh, amazing. Yes, I just really brought it home. That you can kind of intellectually know, like, oh, this could happen to anybody.

These tricks of manipulation. They work on us, you know, on a human level and we're all humans. But then to just really like experiences. Well, okay, humbling humbling.

I can empathize with that.

I mean, I did a show once with a very prolific organized criminal. And there was a point where I suddenly realized I was being works. You know? Well, they're good at what they do.

“That's why, you know, they're good at it.”

And I felt for it. And then suddenly I was like, you know, in a weird industrial estate about to be, you know, oft. I was like, no, this is, I should have seen this. I think I'm going to go home now. Have your thoughts on the story changed?

Do you think between when you wrote it and now? It's funny. I like continue to read and watch and listen to these stories when they come out. I find them really heartbreaking, but I find them really compelling. We're all just so vulnerable to this because we do all want connection and love and that's. I understand why the scammers, you know, target the heart because we're all very vulnerable there.

But it's, it's just really terrible what it does. The sinister way that this kind of crime undermines people's sense of self. Trust in themselves, trust in the world and their understanding of reality. I think about that a lot. You know, when there's a murder, the harm is very, very clear.

You know, somebody who was alive is no longer alive. It's easy to understand the harm and this kind of crime.

“This psychological effect of it is more subtle and that's what's really stuck with me.”

It's one of the most kind of dirty and excusable crimes, isn't it? Yeah. Dirty, I think, is the right word for it. I mean, other people yourself included, everyone is really intrigued by romance scams, this story in particular. Why do you think people keep coming back?

I think they tie into the vulnerability that we all feel when we open ourselves up to the prospect of love. I think as more and more dating happens through these apps and through these online mechanisms, the people that we're meeting aren't people who are being introduced to us by somebody that we know there aren't these kind of social ties. Every time you go on a date with a stranger, there's like some level of exposure and trying to figure out how much do you trust, how much do you open up, how much do you believe or are you going to be super suspicious and weird in that way.

So I think it's like the more extreme version of what so many of us are going through like on a weekly basis. It's such a deeply intimate crime. This would really broke my heart. It's like the parts of these women that wanted to trust somebody and believe what they were saying. And you know, think the best of someone, which is like, those are all like really beautiful qualities that we all have. Hopefully we get to move through the world and when we meet somebody and they tell us who they are, we aren't suspicious and trying to pick it apart and asking to look at their passport.

I mean, that would, that's no way to live. But this crime kind of takes this beautiful parts of us and you turn against yourself. The shame is that I should have known better. The shame is that I'm a fool. But that's really so heartbreaking to me because there's nothing foolish about wanting to trust people and believe people and like wanting to fall in love. You know, it's deeply vulnerable, but also deeply relatable. What I don't want people to take away from these stories is like, don't trust anyone.

The answer is not trust no one. I don't want to live in that room. And I think that's why it's a wonderful and so lovely that these women were able to trust one another.

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I'm Michelle McPhee, and I've been unraveling the strangest criminal alliance I've ever reported on. Unmormint polygamous, and an Armenian businessman.

Multimillion dollar house for Ari's and Lamborghini's private jets a billion dollar fraud.

But how long can this alliance last? Tell me what you know. Is somebody coming after me? Listen to Kingdom of Fraud on the iHeart Radio App. Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

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