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a group of friends, a hanging out. He was kind of like, "Well, what do you want to know?" "What do you want to know?" (music playing) It's Michelle, one of Lisa's mates from episode two,
and the rest of the gang, all grilling her new boyfriend. Timmy started right in right away, so what do you do for work? Where do you live, kind of thing? She was starting to grill him questions like,
"I want to see your license. I want to see this in there."
“And he's like, "Why would I have to show you?"”
One thing that attracted me to the story at the heart of Trust Me Babe was learning all of the ways in which our protagonists were supported by their friends.
In deaths online, slew thing, first-beat interrogations,
interstate rescue missions from Minnesota to Hawaii, are just a few of the examples of how these women really had their friends backs. And this moment in particular really stopped with me, because we've all been there.
When a friend is dating someone, we don't like. We're seeing some red flags that they're missing. And the idea of going in there and actually confronting that dropkick is so, so tempting. I've had my fair share of nights
dwelling on one of my friends new odd relationships. Followed by animated discussions with the rest of the group on how we could gently pull said friend away from someone who's behavior were not really sure of. I cannot even imagine how high stakes
that conversation must be. If the new partner is a suspected master manipulator trying to get money off your bestie. But confrontation didn't quite have the effect that Michelle and her friends had intended.
She just didn't tell us about them anymore. By the time we went out for dinner that night at the busted nut at that point, Tammy and I didn't think she was seeing him anymore and also they're going to go to Hawaii. And all this got me thinking.
If you suspect someone you care about is being scammed or abused in some way. What is the best way to deal with that? As caring friends probably, right? We want to go right to this person and kind of take care of business.
But at the end of the day, that's not doing our friend who is being victimized to any favors. So how do you support them? This is something Jen Lawrence knows a thing or two about. Not the actress, just the social worker.
Jen works for a non-profit called FightCybercrime.org. She's a social worker. And she runs their romance scam recovery group.
She specialises in working with people who have experienced trauma
and have been victims of fraud.
“She knows how abusers and scammers can twist”
a confrontation for their own ends. What we see a lot is they'll use that with the victim and say, "See, I told you they wouldn't understand. They reacted exactly how I said they were going to react." And then that can strengthen the bond between the victim
and the scammer even further. I sat down with Jen to put together a handy guide for you, dear listeners. Every situation is different. We certainly can't give advice about specific situations. But take these as general guidelines as a note to Michelle's advice.
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My besties dating a scam artist. I tell you I tell you. Steel was planting. Don't tell your friends. Your friends don't like me. Your friends will just kind of sabotage our relationship if they know that you're hanging out with me.
Before the not so romantic getaway to Hawaii, Lisa's best friend Michelle, remembers noticing something off in Lisa's relationship with Steel.
It was just weird because in all her other relationships, we always did stuff together.
We would go listen to bands, we would go out for dinners, and with him, there was none of that. I ask social worker Jen Lawrence about it. We know that a lot of these will say scammers are successful because they isolate people from their friend group and their family. A lot of victims that I talked to say, well, you know, my scammers told me that people wouldn't understand our relationship. They wouldn't get our love, so let's not let them come between us.
Steel's game plan was isolate this person and put a wedge kind of between them and their friends.
“That's how scammers are ultimately able to be successful because they isolate this person from people who will give them good advice.”
Who will tell them hard truths and who will support them, keeping people up at odd hours, making them more tired. We know that that lowers their judgment. People maybe who have these kind of sudden schedule changes that are a little bit unexplained. People who are more secretive about their relationship. People who appear maybe more anxious, more depressed, more webe.
Maybe they're at a point where the person isn't sending them money or information and they're starting to threaten them or use different. Different, more abusive techniques, pupils, anxieties, increased, maybe they're more fearful. As a friend, as a loved one, being able to take a step back and look at this person and be able to notice some different changes in their patterns, their behaviors. Even their thinking can really give you a sense of what might be going on. I mean, it sounds like a lot of the same things that you look out for when it comes to any form of domestic abuse.
Absolutely right. There are abusers. They're using those same tactics and these are tried and true tactics that's a very specific manipulation pattern that these criminals use, which then enables them to steal money from the victim. Still personal information or other resources. And I say steal because it truly is that.
Derecoldrid used sympathy to play with the women he had relationships with to keep them close and when they started to suspect him and drift away.
He's always playing on their emotions.
“Can you tell us a bit about how you can identify that tactic?”
People intentionally weaponize sympathy in emotion. It's not an accidental thing that happens, right? The victim feel responsible for their suffering and sympathy is triggered in a lot of ways. Remember Wendy, the very first girlfriend we met who could have literally written a book on her dating research and even planned to at one point. There was always some tragic thing that was happening.
She saw this exact tactic with Derecoldrid, the sympathy play.
When Tammy told me his dog died, as a way for me to kind of get back involved...
Every time Wendy would figure out that Derecoldrid was lying about something and was starting to drift away. He'd pretend that something terrible happened to him in order to change the subject or regal out of a difficult conversation.
“He would have drama in his life and that's how he would get out of talking about how come he can't prove that he's got a million figure of firemiles, right?”
Or who'd whack out the soap story to get her back from a cancer scare? I did a Google image search.
The ultrasound picture that he sent me was one of the first ones that came up.
The dog he told her was dead and it wasn't even his. He took a picture of her dog and took a picture of that dog's bed. That dog had not died. If you besties new love interests, seems to be a magnet for disaster and makes it your friend's problem every time. It might be something to keep track of. They have something devastating that happened to them.
They lost somebody they cared about. Sometimes they position the victim as like you're the only person who understands or you're the only person who can help me. Or they can't trust anybody else. Sometimes people will send these like crying, pleading messages saying they're feeling ashamed. You know, asking for something again repeatedly.
Sometimes there's threats of harm or despair if the victim hesitates or doesn't give them that. That creates panic bonding. The urge to fix the emotion rather than evaluate the situation logically. You know, the victim, if they step back, they feel like they're abandoning somebody in crisis, which for many of us feels morally and ethically horrible.
You know, thinking about that push pole.
This really intentionally destabilizes and guilt victims.
“It's important because this works on intelligent and good people.”
I'm a nurse. I've got children's hospital. Here's Lisa from episode two. I guess the sad thing about health care people in general. Sometimes you have such a big heart that you believe people and you're very forgiving and very caring.
So you believe them. I just felt like the most stupidest person in the world. A lot of people say, like, I feel so stupid. How could I be so dumb? But it's not the case at all.
You know, good people respond to pain. Good people want to help. Good people believe others are sincere and the way that they are sincere.
It doesn't exploit stupidity.
It exploits empathy. And it works. Like, you know, I've had people act like that with me. And, you know, I just come back for more and more and more. Because I care about people and I want to make people's problems better.
And that's such a cruel thing to exploit. Absolutely. Yeah. It exploits everything that's good about this person. And they're using it in such a nefarious, negative, really destabilizing way.
It is really heartbreaking. It's a heartbreaking thing to witness as a friend.
“And so, if you do, what should you actually do about it?”
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So now I've realized that my friend is experiencing romance fraud. I've come to identify that. What do I do next?
“Can you be in that friend emotionally connected to you as important?”
Being present with them, checking in often, inviting them to just kind of everyday plans, especially if this is somebody who is kind of backed off from some of those social engagements because this person's been isolating them.
Lead with empathy, not proof. That's the first thing I tell my friend.
Here's what I've been seeing very similar
to working with people who are in other abusive relationships. This is a real relationship to your friend, your family member, your loved one, right? So saying things like, "I know this feels real and important to you.
I just want you to be safe." And then being able to talk about what I've observed, what I've witnessed, or what my concerns are. Thinking about the language that we use is so important. And avoiding statements that sound blaming, right?
You should have known. I thought you were smarter than this. How could you fall for this? A lot of times we say this person fell for a scam, but that really puts the blame on the victim, right?
That they did something and they're falling for it. Instead of this person was victimized. Focus on the scammer's tactics and not the victim's decisions. The other thing too that I talk about this to expect some denial, this person might defend the scammer,
or even be angry with you about some of the things that you're calling out the scammer's tactics on. I think it's hard for some of us. We want to be proactive. We want to give our friend all this evidence,
but being able to kind of temper that, not pushing this proof all at once, but more it's planting seeds gently over time.
“I think also something that is hard to do.”
It's also being prepared to like lose that conversation. To get to the point where you're going up to a friend and saying, "I'm really worried about your relationship and I'm worried about you." You have to probably have been suspecting something. You've spoken to a lot of people about it.
Whether you present them with the evidence or not, you've certainly mounted it in your head. You want to go in and you want to get that person out of this situation. That's why you're talking to them. It can be so hard to actually come out of it
and they are still talking to that person. They're still living with them. They're maintaining their relationship and you want to shake them and say, "Listen to me, but that's not actually the way you look after them long term." Absolutely right at the end of the day.
They're an adult. Some people continue to communicate with the skimmer for an indefinite amount of time. It is a tough road when you want to be honest with your friend.
Here's Michelle. Lisa's best friend again. I think to protect your friend and friendship,
“I think you have to be honest with them.”
How they take it is up to them. We hope that we're able to provide enough support and education that our friend or loved one is able to seize that relationship. But we know that they might continue so being able to have empathy for this person
and to understand that the situation is real to them
To truly express our care
or concern that we want them to be safe. This is where I talk to people about,
“you know, you're starting this building block.”
Maybe it's a very quick first conversation.
I'm worried. Here's a little bit why I'm worried. Maybe this person completely shuts you down. Or maybe this person is like, "Okay, I've been feeling kind of weird about the relationship."
And for that person, maybe it's just another piece of evidence that's something's wrong. A lot of victims I talk to you say that there is a point in the relationship where they start feeling like this doesn't seem right. There's too many kind of pieces that aren't really adding up
or that I'm identifying that some of these are different manipulation tactics or some people will say, "I've been in abusive relationships in the past and I can see that this person is following the same playbook as my abuser."
Sometimes people are a little bit more towards the side where they're wanting to end the relationship
or at least they want to explore what that looks like.
So maybe you're saying something gives them a little extra piece or it's like, "Okay, this is somebody that I can talk to, who will listen to me, who won't judge me." Hopefully our friend, we approach them and they've come to a point in their own process
of the relationship, their own realization. They're ready to hear you. If they turn around to you at that point and they say, "Actually, I want some help with this."
“What can we practically do to look after that person?”
Being able to sit and hear them, like kind of truly witnessed this time with them and be a support. It's important to keep people emotionally connected to you. Again, isolation increases the scammers power and we know that scammers are relentless.
They will try every form of communication. They'll use other personas, other people to try to connect to this person. We've had all sorts of stories. They were talking to the scammers
and the relationship, and now this person who's reported to be the scammers daughter or mother or their lawyer or their therapist, right? Somebody is reaching out saying, "They're so heartbroken." He is devastated.
Please give them another chance. Many of the women we spoke to on the show would indeed get contacted by people claiming to be close to Derek. Family members, friends, his lawyer
“and then offer an array of excuses to explain away”
his strange behavior. To reiterate for the record, none of Derek's family members have ever been implicated in any of his crimes or accused of any wrongdoing.
Lisa was one of the first to figure out
how that trick could have worked after her relationship with Derek ended. I'm finding his phone. He had this app for people calling, like you could hit it and they could call you pretending to be somebody.
Or if you hit them, they would call him. We would be talking about his daughter and then like two minutes later, "Oh, she would call." He had his roommate, same there as sister's name there, his mom's name there.
I think he had the one friend in that was pretending to be a sister because I would actually like hear female voice when he was talking to a sister, but no one else. So, all friends,
just managed to cut ties with the scammers. But this is when the real work starts. What does a healing journey look like? And what's our role in it? That's coming up next.
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Which one? One love. Wow. I literally filmed in his apartment in Queens Bridge. His mom's been still up in that apartment.
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Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. [Music] So we've reached the final act.
My friend has finally managed to exit
the relationship with the person that was trying to scam them. What happens next? Support. And that happens in a lot of ways.
Rebuild in some of their social connections with you, with your friend group with others, getting them connected to professional support. Therapist, mental health, peer support. Sometimes there's more practical steps that need to be taken.
This person might need to block the scammer from their social media accounts. They might need to cancel their credit cards or close their bank accounts. Work with financial institutions
around what safety looks like, including potentially reporting to law enforcement. All those pieces are hard, right? Having to go to your financial institution and say that you were scammed,
that you were victimized, that this person stole money from you is really hard because you don't know how that person is going to react. Having a friend who might be able to support you and being an advocate for you in those moments
can go a huge way. They're not as emotionally tied into it. Maybe they're a little bit more aggressive in a way that can help you and they can really advocate for you in those moments.
So if you are that friend, step up and help that person get the support that they need. I love that. Step up. And if you're not getting the support,
ask for that person supervisor, and then ask for that person supervisor, and ask for that person supervisor. If you're able to physically go with this person or to sit with them while they make some calls,
that could really be just so impactful for the friends that you're supporting. Yeah, completely. I mean, the kind of worst part of all of this, I feel like is that when you are realizing that you're being scammed
“and you have to go through all of these kind of admin”
stages of dealing with that, you're also dealing with a heartbreak. And I know from going through big breakups where there's been shared assets or things like that, the worst part is having to deal with the admin of the breakup
and being like a sad little lump of a human. And if your friends could just kind of pop around and be around you and help you just like sort through some of the paperwork or something, it's like that's almost more supportive and practical
and makes you feel more kind of loved and part for community than if somebody's just that being like, "Oh, that's what's for your Jones and E.I.Scream." As much as I love that. Absolutely.
Absolutely. Absolutely. And who knows, right? Maybe you're the friend. One of another friend, too, is great at that admin piece.
You can maybe you're into making checklist, right? You're able to kind of correlate all this information this person needs into one place and you can help support them as they kind of work through this list.
Even just being a second set of ears sometimes.
And once the practical stuff is handled, there's still complex emotions to walk through. Leaving the scam is a breakup. It's a betrayal and again, not just a financial loss or loss of a relationship.
It's often a loss of trust in themselves.
“And I think it's important that we validate grief”
like we would after any relationship loss. Sometimes people will say, "Well, I want to take this time to make sure that they know these red flags to know the tactics this person use and there I think is definitely a time and place for that.
This is the time for care, not correction." And I would say this is such a piece of disenfranchised grief. There's a lot of grief that society has deemed socially acceptable. Loss of a loved one, loss of a job,
big accidents, things like that that society is like, yes, that is valid.
You can grieve that as loud and as much as you want.
But then for something like this where the grief is true.
This person is grieving the loss of the relationship they thought they had, the loss of probably a financial piece and maybe personal information that is now just kind of out there being used or exploited. But also the grief for a true loss of trust in yourself.
And this is grief that society doesn't necessarily deemed acceptable. We've had people say I've had family members or friends when I told them my story say, "Well, why are you so sad that wasn't even a real relationship?"
Or that person wasn't even your boyfriend, your fiance, your girlfriend, your partner. To them again, it truly was for however long they've been engaging with them. And I guess the next natural step after hopefully some well considered healing time
is that they might seek another romantic relationship.
“How do you support your friend going into the next dating phase?”
I would say it's tough because I think there's sometimes some trauma for us as friends on the other end. We're worried about this person. We know what they experienced. How do we support them through this?
Does this person even want to meet people online anymore? Sometimes I'll have people that I work with who say my friends really rallied around me and went to a bunch of events with me. So I could meet people in real life.
We joined this like only league. We went to this hiking group. We were able to do this stuff as friends and they really helped me meet people in real life. And I think that helps both the friends and the person.
And then other times we'll talk about boundaries. Okay, you're going to start meeting people online.
Within the first week, I want to have met you in person
for a 15 minute interaction to know that you're real. If I can't meet you within the first week, maybe two weeks, then I'm not going to continue talking to this person. And sometimes it's just having those open conversations with friends. What boundaries are resetting around relationships?
What expectations are we setting? And can we support each other as friends through that? And a lot of times I think people are open to that if they have a good supportive friend group. And some of those tactics, you know, can be really helpful.
Not just because somebody was victimized in this way, but can be helpful for other people too, right? And thinking about how we set expectations and boundaries
“just in relationships, I think that can be really important.”
Of course, there is the other way this could go where you can have the version where you end up with this sweet little gal gang support system. And it's lovely. But also sometimes when you go to a friend about this kind of thing, they really can take it badly.
And it can really destroy a relationship counter. And even after they choose to kind of leave that person potentially, that could still be riffser. Do you have any tips for how to try and repair those relationships,
those crucial friendships?
I think again, empathy that kind of leads all of these interactions. Realizing that somebody was in this relationship that maybe made them act, not what is true to who you know them to be or what their character is. Knowing that sometimes this will be really difficult news
or maybe people won't believe you. Even though you have their best interest in mind and they're going to choose this scammer or this relationship over yours. And that can be really hard.
“And I tell friends sometimes, you have to think about your own boundaries”
and your own self care and how much you can put into this. I've seen relationships that have been fractured and there has to be repair work that comes along after that. Sometimes it takes weeks, months, even years. Sometimes the relationship is changed in ways
that doesn't necessarily feel good to either person. And I say unfortunately, that's kind of the risk you take in speaking up and trying to support this person. At the end of the day, hopefully when they're able to come out of that and what some hopefully additional support, maybe professional support,
they're able to see that more and able to do the work around repairing friendship. And I just think it can be really hard, but it's a choice people make when we care for people and we have to tell them hard things. And that's not one of the most loving things you can do often.
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Follow the links and you'll find her romance scam recovery group.
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And I'm Nick and guess what?
We created our own podcast called. Hey Jonas, we invented the podcast. Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to our people to do podcasts. We get to ask other people questions
because we're sick and tired of being asked questions. Well, sick and tired is a strong way to put it, but you know, tired and sick. Tired and sick. Listen to hey Jonas on the iHeart Radio App, Apple Podcasts
or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen, we don't care where you hear it. I'm humor me with Robert Spiegel and friends. We help make you funnier on this episode. My guests spot Odin Kirk and kids in the halls
Bruce McCow are trying to help the Kazoo kid and Tazon Day be famous again. But if there's an alternate universe show where you guys are incredibly popular? Well, and they could travel up the land.
I'm doing meat and grease. They're constantly needed at malls. Listen to humor me with Robert Spiegel and friends on the iHeart Radio App, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
Hi everyone. I'm Cheryl Strade, author of Wild and Tiny Beautiful Things. I'm excited to share that I have a new podcast called Mind Over Mountain. In each episode, I interview athletes, adventures,
and adrenaline seekers to discuss the inner landscapes that informed and inspired their extraordinary feeds. So we too can better understand how to face our own seemingly insurmountable challenges. Listen to Mind Over Mountain every Thursday
on the iHeart Radio App, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Diana Maria Reva and on my new podcast, How Hard Can it Be? I call on my Genics Squad from Ohio to Hollywood
as we navigate mid-life's most fantastic BS. Unfiltered conversations from the night sweats to footballs, to scheduling sex. Wait, what sex? Is it just me?
Or does every woman my age?
“Want to look at Pinterest instead of having sex sometimes?”
They say we can't polish a turn, but we're sure going to try. So let's get blunt with laughs, tears, or tears of laughter. Listen to how hard can it be with the animatier Reva on the iHeart Radio App, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an iHeart podcast.
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