“It’s DISGUSTING!” Logan Paul Breaks Silence on $16M Pikachu, Getting Married, & Spending Everything

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I like to make things. When I do something, I generally go all in. There will be criticism around anything I do. It does not matter if it's true. People will believe anything that makes their reality make sense.

The truth is no longer important.

It is absurd how you stay winning. What is the one thing you chop all of that up to? Or you've got to have discipline, regardless of how you or others feel. I take big risks and I like to make money and I like to spend it more.

“What is the logic to have millions of dollars in dinosaurs but zero in the stock market?”

What am I going to do with the stock broke? I spent five point three million dollars on a Pokemon card and people thought I was insane. But what is your current collection look like today? I can gangster. Logan Paul, thank you so much for coming on the ice coffee hour.

What an honor. Thank you. Thank you for coming to my house. You guys made this easy for me. I really like your work and I think you're good interviewers.

I think you're good conversationalists. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you guys. You guys compliment each other well.

Thank you. Next week, you sold the most expensive trading card ever in history, $16.49 million for the Pikachu Illustrator card. I just got to know being in this house, this up-just absurd house, let's be real here. It's gorgeous.

It's gorgeous. It's important. Read, go. You have an amazing yard. Thank you.

Everything is to a tee. Why you even do it? Why even sell the card? Does the money even make a difference? That's a great question.

I didn't know you were going to open with this.

You'll find my brain takes a second to wake up, but I find I'm always tired these days.

I'm always tired. Okay. Why even do it? Okay. Well, it's easy to say now.

Why even do it? You already have everything you need and that's so true. But I also spend a lot of money and we did not know that it was going to sell for that much money. No one had any idea.

What did you think it would sell for? My guess was $10.7 million. That's what I was saying. And I felt confident in that guess. I felt confident it would hit with $10.7 million.

“Even on polymarket, the over under for $16 million was, I think, like, $10.15%.”

So even traders on polymarket weren't entirely sure about what this thing was going to sell for. Now it's easy to look back and be like, "Oh, like $16 million or a car." Like, it's an auction, guys. It's an auction.

And it entirely depends on how much people are willing to pay for it. Why sell the car? I'm good at making money. I'm even better at spending money. Guys, I spend, I spend, I spend absurd amounts of money on things that I, like, are

sometimes not good investments. I spend a lot of money on a wedding. How much was the wedding? I mean, yeah, we're talking about money on this podcast. I spent $4 million on my wedding.

So like, $4 million. Where does that go? How do you do that? I could show you the budget. I would love to see, like, how much did just the flowers cost for your wedding?

Bro. Like, I'd say, correct me wrong, probably between $250,000 or $4,000. Well, that is more, that is like, this is how, 10 times you're wedding.

Like, that is, boy, so it's always, it's a house.

I cut that down. I cut that down. They came to me with, like, a 500K flower budget. And I said, baby, girl, they're flowers. Like, how the arc for the, for where we were standing was like $50,000.

Do they know what's you? And do they say, oh, this is Logan, but we could charge a little more. It's entirely possible.

“I also do think, generally, I think you get what you pay for our wedding planners.”

The Lake Homo wedding planners are very good. They're very good. And we got what we paid for. It was, it was the best three days of my life. And so I'm not going to lie to you before the wedding, when I knew I was dropping $4 million

on this. And you know, like, you're paying for an experience, but like, it goes away. That's, that's a sunk cost, you're a $4 million. So that's better be the best three days of my life.

And like, I think a lot of the people there as well.

And so at the end of it, I was okay with going, okay, I spent $4 million for everyone

that I know and love to have an unforgettable weekend, like, a weekend so memorable. If you're on your death bed, and you're like, final, you're like, images or flashing

“through your life, like, I think the wedding is going to pop up for most people.”

I would agree with that. I agree with you. I mean, it better be $4 million for my own wedding. Oh, yeah. Yes.

When I'm on my death bed, I'm going to remember the videos. I don't know wedding. I should have come. I don't even fudge. I just can't fathom $4 million, like, why, why, why, why don't you stop at three?

Is the difference between three and four million dollars really that much? I'll tell you what happened. We were shooting a reality show called Paul American. When I do something, I generally go all in and we had shot season one, we were getting ready for season two and we were waiting to see if it got picked up by HBO.

That's when we were scouting wedding venues. And I figured the wedding would be a good season finale for a potential season two. I fell in love with this one venue. It's called Villa Deste. It is a top three hotel in Italy and in Lake Homo, it's probably number two.

I fell in love with it, like, which sucks for me, because if I fall in love with something and I have to have it and I do have the money, although financially responsible for what I have the money, I tend to, like, make that decision. And so I committed to this Villa, which was a three day buyout of 150 rooms at then one of the nicest hotels in Lake Homo.

So, bro, it's $2 million out of the door.

$2 million. That was half of the wedding. Half of the wedding. Yes. It's a full buyout.

Sorry. Wow.

“I had to buy it out in full, because it's the only way they would let us film there.”

And I did that thinking we were going to get a season two for a reality show. And then the reality show did not get picked up for a season two. So I'm, I'm already in. I can't like back out. And $2 million out of the door, which I thought, like, the production would pick up a

little bit of the expense, because it's, at the season finale, it's like we're doing it for the show. So I ended up just eating that cost, which, which stung a little bit, but again, like the experience at the end of it was like, guys, I'm telling you, the best three days of my life.

If I could hit a button and go back to that weekend, one moment in particular, for the rest of my life, like, you just, it's a, it's a priceless moment. So like the $4 million is a wash, but it's still $4 million. And so I'm looking at that, I'm looking at this house, I just bought, not cheap. And I'm like, man, the Pokemon Market's popping.

If there were ever a time to sell this card, if there were ever a time to sell this card, it would be right now. Can golden, maniac, gives me an insanely healthy offer, I thought. But you don't believe me? No, it's not.

I can't believe it. That's why I'm doing this. It's just like this. And when they're working, the house is popping. - That's right.

- Safe. That's right. Now it's time for the show. Now it's time for the show. Now it's time for the show.

You know what I'm saying? He says he's going to give me a $2.5 million cash advance. And a cut of the entire overall Pokemon slash TCG auction. I thought, okay, $2.5 million advance. $115 per cent of the hammer price.

I'm going to give you guys like chit and no one knows because I respect you and I like your podcast. And it's also like a financial podcast. And I think that's how I'm so into it. That's kind of the point of it. And I know you're into it.

“So yeah, 115 per cent of the hammer price, which means I think the final bid was 13.3 million.”

If I'm not mistaken, or 13.8, I believe there was something like that. That's 100 per cent. So I get 115 per cent of it. So on auction houses, they have what's called a buyer's premium. It's essentially the fee that the auction house takes for putting everything together,

finding the bidders, finding the item, and just that's their finders fee, if you will. The buyer's premium on my Pikachu illustrator was 24 per cent, which is high. That's high. But typically they're all like 20 per cent anyway. Which is high.

I'm always found that high.

I'm a bidder at auctions. And when I'm bidding, I'm like an extra 20 per cent, like for the auction house, like damn.

That's the name of the game. And that's the magic of the auction. The model that is an auction. So the buyer's premium on my Pikachu illustrator was 24 per cent. Well, I got 15 per cent, right?

So 15 per cent, the math is the weird on this. If the buyer's premium is 24 per cent, 15 per cent of that went to me, plus an additional 4 per cent of the entirety of the auction. Okay.

So every single person we talk to on YouTube, we always ask who is winning.

At the end of the day, like everyone looks at YouTubers' lives and like, wow, that sounds incredible. Like a hundred per cent by all means. Like we live very, very lucky lives as YouTubers. But as YouTubers, you're always comparing yourself to someone else. It's human nature.

Yeah, I agree. Everyone looks at you. And they always say, "Logan Paul and Jake Paul are winning." And by winning, we mean, like, regardless of whatever is happening in the world. You guys will stand top in terms of popularity in terms of money, in terms of family, in terms of, like, overall opportunity of life.

The amount of opportunities, the connections, what you're doing in life, it is absurd how you stay winning.

“I'm just curious, what is the one thing you chalk all of that up to?”

A lot of things come to mind when I want to answer that question.

The most simple way I could answer that question is probably saying the answer is probably consistency.

Consistency, regardless of how you or others feel. And I mean that in the sense of if I wake up and I don't want to go to work or I don't want to go exercise. I don't really care how I feel. I've made a commitment to be great. And I have these goals that I want to achieve.

So like 99% of the time I'm still going to hit the gym or I'm going to go answer the emails. Contrarily, when I say how others feel, obviously, like you guys are sitting with a polarizing human being. And there's a lot of noise out there. Some of it warranted, a lot of it not warranted, but there's noise for everyone. How you or the people online feel about me is completely irrelevant to me.

I don't care. I'm going to stay consistent and show up for myself, my family and my goals every single day. I would bet on someone who is consistently good way more than I would bet on someone who is infrequently great. Consistency is everything. If that answer bothers you, then I recommend looking inwards and seeing what is because on paper objectively you are winning.

And I 100% agree, consistently good beats in consistently great without question.

“For those that are listening right now that want to add consistency into their life, how do you do it?”

Like, what is the source of this motivation even on days where you're not feeling it? And do you think you were born with that? Man, I don't know. Some things I'll definitely be like, yes, I think I was genetically wired in that way. This way, I don't think so.

I think I was conditioned this way by my parents, specifically my father. But it can be like learned. It can be influenced into someone.

Like, I always say this a lot as well.

Allow yourself to be influenced and inspired by people. I don't think people do that enough. When they see someone online, it oftentimes feels like comparative, which is like you said that's like a natural human condition. Like, I see them doing something and compare myself to them. Okay, that's fair.

Maybe they're doing something that you envy or that you like. For me, I allow that to inspire me, like, okay, that's awesome. What can I learn from that person? So allow yourself to be inspired. But the answer to your question is, this is where it gets kind of hard.

But you've got to have discipline. You've got to be disciplined. And that is a, that is a difficult thing for a lot of people.

“Because to be disciplined, you have to have like a motivation that I not entirely sure where that always comes from.”

I can rationalize my motivations and why I'm so disciplined. But you have to be disciplined. I will say for me personally, and I found this as like a 14 year old. Being goal oriented really helps. Having goals.

Like, goals that you write down on a paper. And that when you achieve them, you can take your pen and just cross it off the paper. Something, something about that to me is, is deeply fulfilling. You walk into my office over there, and you'll see goals on a piece of paper with a few of them crossed out. And it's like goals, agenda items, things to do, things to do.

Because I think, I think when a, you, um, vocalize your goals, be right down your goals, see visualize your goals.

You really are what you attract. It's called the manifestation as what we're talking about. Some people call it prayer. I call it, it's kind of like, can be considered the same thing. But, um, be, becoming goal oriented.

I think it's very important.

And having discipline is, is absolutely essential for any amount of success.

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What do you feel like people most misunderstand about you? My knee-jerk reaction to that question is, "I'm not sure if I can serve myself too much with what people think of me." Maybe I did at a point in my career, but like, I'm 30 now, which is even crazy to say. It's different than being 29. For all the 29-year-olds out there, it's different.

I'm 30 years old. Now I'm not like a young kid who's successful, now I'm just a rich white guy. That is the difference when people say, "Look, how old are you?" When I was 29, they'd be like, "Dude, you're so young! Wow, good for you whole world, how old are you?"

How old are you? 30, they go, "Oh, and I have to sit there and be like, yeah, I'm like..." Why don't you lie to say you're 29 now? Can't do it. I'm 30, bro.

I have a wife and a kid.

“I think in my youth, I spend a period of time going, "Why doesn't everyone like me?"”

I want to be universally liked. And I have come to understand that for every person online or a celebrity influencer. Anyone who's putting themselves out there, that is unrealistic. It's so unrealistic. The sooner you can swallow that pill, the happier you will be.

And by the way, we can sit here on this podcast and talk about success and money and career accomplishments. The ultimate goal for every human being should be to become happy. What more can you ask for than being happy? Piece of mind. And that's hard. That's hard.

And maybe the other stuff helps you get there. But like, for all of this is great. And I have so many blessings in my life. But if I'm an unhappy person, not a bit of fucking matters. And so, for me, when I realized, "Oh, I cannot please everyone."

And because I know I can't do that, I'm going to stop trying to rationalize their thoughts about me. And I'm just going to try to live the best honest life that I can with people that I love. And raise a family and hopefully be happy along the way. That's where I check that box.

You know, people probably want us to be hyper-critical of you.

“And you should, and you should, you should.”

I feel like I have an educated opinion on it. But one thing I remember, you definitely don't remember this years ago. How many years did we go to as house in LA? Five years ago. Five years ago.

We went to your house in LA because Grandma bought a pack from you. You were there? You did the live from me. Yes. We picked up the we got the garados.

I know. I know. I know. I remember. Yeah, yeah.

I was there. I remember you. I mean, you meet literally millions people. Also, yeah. So it hit my head.

Yeah. So I remember, I took a picture with you. I posted on Instagram and people couldn't believe that I met you. Like, my hometown friends, whatever. They all asked me how was it.

You know, "Oh, Logan, I heard he's like kind of like a debugger. He's this or is that a lot of people also were like, "Oh, like, you met Logan Paul. That's the coolest thing ever." And they asked how was it. And I remember thinking to myself, you had no reason.

Not a single reason in the world to hear me out. I'm a random dude, right?

You didn't quite understand.

You could've just blown me off. And you're like, "Whoa, what was that again?" I want to hear your thoughts on this. And I was like, "This is interesting. When he's talking to me, he's not focusing on anything else.

You were genuinely just focused on that exactly. But even though I'm a complete random stranger 22, 21 years old, nothing going on really, some stuff going on. You had the space to listen to me, which was really interesting. And then I met you again when we filmed a Jake, same exact thing.

Like, I was there. You were 100% all attentive all in on the conversation. Your focus was unmatched. And the same thing even goes today. It's like, you know, maybe one day I'll become wildly successful.

So I could pay you in dividends, who knows. But also back in the day, you had no reason to listen to me whatsoever. But you did. I was impressed by. I was like, I thought, honored by.

“And at the end of the day, I think you're a really just inspiring person.”

Because, you know, you look at your stats on paper and you're winning. That's just, there's no contest in the fact that you're winning. I appreciate you saying that. I try to give everyone the time of day. I do think people's thoughts matter.

And I want to hear them out.

But ultimately, at the end of the day, it's like, a thought or an opinion.

How do I feel about it? And whatever you were saying, obviously, like, I thought had some merit. And you are like a smart individual. And you are on a path to great success, I think, with this podcast, especially. But, you know, using this as a stepping stone for like, other stuff you want to build or do.

I think it's good. But I try to give people the time of day and I try to lock in. I don't want to be one of those like celebrities or like wealthy individuals who does this to you. And I'm sure you guys come across this. We like out and about and like talking to you.

And if you're talking to me, it's like, they're kind of like looking past you. And they're like seeing like what's what's beyond this conversation. And I want you to know, I experience that even like having some accolades myself. I'll meet people who I'll be out and about at a social gathering. And it's the like looking past talking to me, kind of like, like to me when people do that.

It's like it's a little bit like this doesn't interest you enough. And, um, I do think that the ability to listen is an underdeveloped skill that most people have. And the answer to a lot of people's problems when it comes to like social dynamics or even conversation. Like open your fears and like really listen. I took acting classes for a while.

And they hearted on listening in being the thing that will enhance your acting ability. It's even that way in WWE. Like like to to be believable in WWE, which is by the way, where I find the pocket. If you open your ears and you're really listening to what the guy across me was saying, you can go anywhere with it, especially if you know your why.

But that's another conversation. Okay, I mean, I wanted to get into it and like I point is this is a money podcast. We got to dip into the finances no matter how much I want to talk about all that stuff. Circle back finances. Okay.

“What was the first big check that you got and what did you spend it on?”

I was a viner. Rest in peace. I got to deal with Pepsi. And they were going to pay me thirty six thousand dollars for three vines.

That's 12k of fine, bro. Was that your first deal?

It was not my first deal. It was my first big deal. My first deal was actually for a product I still used to this day on my phone. It's called a fly grip. This one's broken. What a horrible display for them. But I'm just getting over sickness. Yeah, it's why I keep a hacking up along.

This one's broken, but I use the product to this day. And I asked them for 10% equity back in the day they said no. Has they blown up? No. No.

That's crazy. You still use it. Bro, 10 years. I put it on every phone case. This one's broken again. You guys should give me the equity.

But I guess it doesn't matter. But I think the site's like, right? Yeah, yeah. They did not optimize. Okay. And I am obsessed with the product.

That was my first deal. $2,000. But wow. $2,000 is an 18 year old. But you went from $2,000 to $36,000.

What did you spend the money at? I bought a 2013 Dodge Challenger SRT8. All of it. A whole thing. Was it worth it?

Yeah. When 169 in that beast. Where? On the way to Vegas. Just to say Tijuana.

In Tijuana. Some more in Mexico. Yeah. There was a strip from LA to Vegas. You can rip it.

Wow. That's cool. I'm starting a company called rip it.

“So it's cool to have used it in a different context.”

Where you can rip, bro. So there was one time. Do you know the drive from Vegas to LA?

It's like four and a half hours. Yeah. I made that drive in like two hours and 25 minutes. One time. For him.

I was going. So. For him. I was going so fast for such a long time. Not a single car on the road.

Just going in that car. I've had some memories in that car. That was when I was young.

“I used to drive fast and honestly didn't value my life the way I do now.”

But I bought that car. I packed up all my belongings. All three of them, including my bird. And moved from Ohio to LA in that car. But that was like the first purchase I made.

As an 18 year old. I bought this car and I was like this is insane. Like I made it mom.

When do you think you made your first million dollars?

I know when I made my first million. I was 21. I made a list of goals. And one of them was to become a millionaire by 21. And I was upset that I became a millionaire at 21.

And not by 21. And my rule, by the way, was million liquid. Million in the bank after tax. So wow. Okay.

Yeah. There's a big difference. Jake actually had a clip on your guys' part. I know it's just, you know, I'm talking about. But people are impressed with his ability to understand that if it's being like having paper money and being liquid.

“Which, you know, you have to make sense.”

You have to account for. Yeah. And how did your perspective on money change over time? I don't think it has. Which I don't think is a great answer.

My relationship with money has not changed. The stakes have just gotten a lot higher. I take big risks. And I like to make money. And I like to spend it more.

But it's weird because it's like. It's also not like I'm chasing money. I don't have this yearning desire to be a billionaire. But why does the average person probably think that you do? Because you do all of these things that are extremely lucrative.

It doesn't just so happen that all of the things that you enjoy end up me. Yeah, you don't know how many businesses go on. There was no money in Pokemon. And then you went all in on Pokemon. And then it ended up blowing up the entire thing.

So in fairness, you have that is true. Money seems to be a byproduct of the things I love doing. I made YouTube videos for 10 years before anyone realized that you could become a YouTuber and make a career out of it. I played thousands of hours of the Pokemon games before I ever made a penny from Pokemon.

And Pokemon in particular for me, there's a trifecta. You guys know, I say this all the time. It's business. It's passion and it's content. It's the perfect trident for me.

And Pokemon checks those boxes. That's kind of my perfect pocket when I can sit somewhere between like story telling something I really give a fuck about.

“And like, is this a, will this be financially viable for me?”

Like, how could you not do something like that? That's like a perfect position for anyone to sit in. And Pokemon is that WWE is kind of that as well. Actually, WWE is that I get to, I get to do a lot of things. We're like, I can sit in that pocket.

Do you approach things differently now though? Then you did back when you were like 18 to 20? No. I'm still in massive risk take or bro.

To spend, I spent $5.3 million on a Pokemon card in 2022.

And like, people thought I was insane. How much of the value of the Pikachu illustrator today? Was attached to your brand and your marketing around the card? That's a great. Because if I were to sell the card, I don't think I could get the price that you did.

Even the Charizard, the PSA 10, the Logan Paul box break. So for almost a million dollars. So that card, how much more was your name attached to it? Let's do math. The previous first edition Charizard price was $550,000.

The one that said Logan Paul break on it. That I pulled from a box break sold for $950,000. So roughly two X, a little under two X. But do you think that's also because the market has been going up. And maybe that $550,000 sale was like a month ago.

So the market seems to have gone up a lot in the last month. Maybe like 10%, maybe like 10%. So like, okay, maybe like one and a half to 1.75 X. Because of a premium related to me. So to answer a question, if you were to bought the card for $530 and you would have sold it,

I bet you would have gotten 10 million.

The difference is, in a very simple way, what we're equating to like anything related to Logan Paul or because it was in my hands is not so much about who I am or my brand. I think it's how I intertwined with the franchise and what has happened because of it. I kind of view myself as like a vessel for telling stories and for making big moments in Pokemon.

I happen to be the vehicle for these big moments.

And for these incredible stories to be told, 910 to do more of that.

“And like, yes, it's my name, but I think that Logan Paul break represents way more than like Logan Paul.”

It's not like, oh, Logan Paul touched this card. It's no. This charizard was pulled in one of the most significant Pokemon moments in history. On Logan Paul's stream. Does that make sense?

So you say that you're sort of just like the vessel you're telling the story, but you're not like making the story. The story is existed. It's like kind of avalanched for a long time. I am all I am doing is shining a giant spotlight on something that deserves to be spotlighted.

That's how I view it. I throw. I love Pokemon.

One last time you beat a Pokemon game.

I'd just be Scarlett. Are you kidding me? Yeah, just be Scarlett. Do you play it on Delta Amulator? Uh, I've been recommended it.

Okay. I have to say. I was not happy with Scarlett. No. I think I think there's an extreme disconnect for like the games that I grew up playing and like the game.

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"I mean, Brawler, I gotta say, crystal."

"Why?" It just is. The map is perfect. "Realizing of the game is really perfect."

"I mean, I also want to, I'm biased because crystal was the first game."

"That I played and also." So, every three years, I'll get this bug to go back and run the old school games. Like, I actually feel like a child again, which is awesome. And I recently did it with gold, and when you beat the game, as an adult, it's kind of like, okay, how many times do I want to run the elite for back?

Like, I can do it a couple times from like, shit, man. My Pokemon are like, a little 55 to 70, like, I'm kind of capped out here. And I liked the battle tower a lot in crystal. And I thought gold had it, and it didn't. It didn't have the battle tower, and I was looking for it, because the battle tower

provides like a variable that you can like test your skills, and it's hard too in crystal. And I ran through it, I beat it, and it didn't have it. I was like, damn, I played the wrong game. I didn't realize it wasn't in that generation. Okay, I mean, let's, let's not get too distracted.

But you have to Nuzlock.

“If anything, you have to do a Nuzlock run.”

What is it? Nuzlock. Oh, Monk! There you go, help me.

I've never heard of that idea.

Oh, okay, help me. To people that are big Pokemon, gamer, fanatics, Nuzlocking is a custom set of rules. Totally viral. It's like, it's, it's a very rigid way of playing the game,

that makes it challenging and way more dopaminergic when you-- Really? Oh, my god. Yeah, on what, on what, on what system? Any system, it's not like, like, I mean, there are ways that you can get like a Pokemon Emerald Nuzlock ROM on your phone.

So you can just play with the rules already implemented into the game. But the general premise is you cannot level your Pokemon higher than the level cap. And the level cap is the highest level Pokemon of the next gym leader. You also can only ever catch. You can only catch the first encounter you get on any route.

So if it's Route 101, whoever you run into first, whether that's zigzagoon, whether that's Puchiana, whether that's wormpoint, half to catch that. And then the next route 102, the first encounter. And so it doesn't let you build the exact same team.

“You have to play with a random set of Pokemon that you would not normally play.”

That's awesome because if a Pokemon ever faints, you have to trash it. You can never use it. So you're, your Pokemon cannot die. Of, you have to Nuzlock ROM.

The stakes are way higher. You'll, you'll die, you'll have to restart your run, you'll lose. It's, it's incredible.

Nuzlocking is, it's a game changer.

It adds so much more excitement to these games, because every game will be exactly the same. You're going to play with the same Pokemon. You're going to get overlevel, and then the game's going to be easy. Yeah, because that's stakes and strategy.

Yeah, no, because I have my, like, starting six that I like. It's just how white everyone was. I was like Pokemon Snap. That was not like that. That was no jibber.

Remember when they did the picture thing? Yes, of course not. I did that. And when to block most of it. Most of it was to hit it out, they sent it in.

And I tried all of that. It's, it's, it's truly the greatest franchise ever. Because it just, it's, it's just, it's perfect. It's the perfect franchise. And I, I tweeted something recently where I was like, man,

Pokemon should do like, bring, like, see if you can inject an nostalgia into a game that they're releasing. And I was like, use like old school sprites and designs, like the pixelated, like eight bit kind of style with all of the new Pokemon. So it's like the look and feel that that we know and love, um, but with, but with the new Pokemon

and kind of like inject an nostalgia and, man, some of the Pokemon community, like, I mean, they're like, got that you heard a fire red and leave, green, I'm like, that was 22 years ago, bro. Do you know, understand what I was saying? I was 22 years ago.

And there's a rumor that as part of the 30th anniversary for Pokemon, they're going to re-release fire red and leave green on switch in this pixelated sprites style, in which case, someone's just like, bro, I'm not just like saying this, I'm like, I'm not just like a random guy being like, here's an idea, like, bro, I've, I'm with you. I've had some.

No, I mean, I've seen your passion for Pokemon, like it's real. It's genuine and it extends beyond anyone else that taught you. There are people who do not believe I like Pokemon.

“It is, it is, it is a criticism that that, that I think is insane, especially because, like,”

I have one tattoo. It is a squirtle. I got the tattoo before I ever bought a trading card as an adult. I didn't know, I didn't know there was a viable, look at it. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's cool, it's cool squirtle.

Yeah. And so like dog, I think it's like, it's like, like that, where I'm like, bro, you all are just trying to invalidate everything I do. How many business ventures do you have right now? Seven.

What are these ventures? And what are their numbers look like? How do they compose your income network? I will say them and then you can dive into each one. Sure.

Prime, luncheley, anti-fund, WWE, impulsive, rip it, I guess my, I guess my YouTube channel. Yeah, my vlogs.

And then this is the business venture, but as far as like, how I value or, you know, like, Divi my time, my, my family is like, very high on that list obviously is my family, so it's number one. But as far as the time, Divying up, this is, those are the, those are the things. That's surprised you in terms of being the most lucrative.

Yeah, like, I don't know, money, money is, money is, money is hard to make. And none of it's like, coming easy, bro, like, hard. What's the hardest part about it?

I will say the first thing that comes to mind is, with Prime and luncheley, being that

“we have entered the CPG space where there are legitimate corporate giants, right?”

That have been around forever, like legacy brands. We have found it both a blessing and a curse to be the underdog represented by influencers. You know, me and KSI at the end of the day, like, boil us down to like, what we are, we're creators, we're content creators, which is a blessing because it allows us to surprise and shock people and, like, flash back to when Prime first came out.

Man, it was the hottest, it was the hottest drink on the planet. There was a, there was a South Park episode, entirely devoted to spoofing Prime, you know,

drink cred, bro, we got cred boys, which is, which is, which is insane, right?

Yeah, I saw it in Fortnite, bro, they put, they put the prime parody cred in Fortnite on their South Park characters, like out of all the things in the South Park franchise, they put, could have put in Fortnite, they chose a cred bottle, which is insane, it's such an honor, it's such an honor, but this, like, really broke through the mold, right? Because people were like, holy, these influencers came together, they told a cool story,

they have a really good product that actually makes sense a better for you hydration drink.

“That, that's our thesis, better for you products, that's what we did with luncheley as well.”

We kind of saw it, turn on us a little bit, because it's almost like you live and die by the sword, because when these fake narratives were spun up about, um, so for Prime, it was like PFS forever chemicals, yeah, we got sued, destroy the lawsuit, there's no merit to it, but like bro, the headline for every TikTok lawyer looking for clicks is like, Prime, zoom for PFS forever and so the hardest part, that's a lot of context, the hardest part for us has been having to

consistently fight these negative narratives that most of the time have a little to know truth to them, that do damage the goodwill of the brand that we've built and people unfortunately believe it. Are there any narratives that are true? Like, I've been seeing these videos lately, it's like, Prime is dead, Prime sales are down. No, I see that. It's like, it's on the clearance section. Yeah, I see that. How much of that is true? It's completely untrue. It's completely untrue, bro.

If I told you the sales we were doing, you'd be shocked. People still see the value in our product because it tastes good and it's better for you. Like, I, I, I, I, I, I see people drinking gator and I'm like, what are you doing? Do you ever think there's other brands conspiring behind the scenes to try to like, hey, let's, let's knock Prime down a little bit? I will say, I found it a little odd when Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer was making a press conference

about an energy drink that happened to be called Prime. Seems a little weird that the Senate Majority Leader would take a time out of his day to address an up and coming influencer product called Prime. It is my opinion that there was some behind the scenes lobbying going on by big corporate giants that saw the disruption that we were causing in the market and came up with an incredibly creative way to disrupt the uptick of our brand. To me, it seemed like maybe there was

just like parental confusion between this, the energy drink and that what you're drinking and then the parents are buying us for their kids who are like, my 10 years old and then they're getting

“wired at school and sharing with their friends and like that that's how I interpreted that. We are”

in the stance of we've done a lot to try to differentiate the products. I mean, one comes in a can when I'm in a bottle. One is marketed as 18 plus the other is not. One says energy drink on it.

The other says hydration. I'm curious, Google estimates your net worth at $150 million. Is that accurate?

And where do they get these numbers from? Where do they get the numbers from? I don't know. That's not accurate. Okay, we're going to guess. Okay. Okay. I was like a liquid or we thought, well, I was what I think is that you might have like what I think is that you might have 80 to 90 million liquid. That's what I think. And an equity in Prime, another

in equity in Prime. That's what my guess is. We were trying to figure this out earlier. I'm my numbers the same as Jack. I think about 80 and 90 liquid and then, yeah, 200 edition of Prime

equity. Yeah, you're way off on the liquid. So 30 million liquid? 40 million liquid?

You're much closer. Okay. Really? Yeah. But the house and the collectibles and I spend money. But tax, you, you don't even pay very much in tax. I spend money. I don't know what to say. Okay. Well, we got to get into some of this spending because that's also surprising. I thought that for sure, what's the point of having liquid cash? Margin of safety, I feel. I'm not taking, like cash cash. I get investment. I give it a stock.

Bonds. No, a few treasuries. No. Do you have stocks? Nope. No kidding me. Do you have a financial

advisor? Yeah. I think I'm a lunatic. Then why even higher this person to begin with,

you're not going to listen to him. I consider him more of a sort of a public account and an advisor. And what does this person tell you to do that you don't listen to? Everything.

“Pardon me. Why do you need to do different visits? Because from my perspective, I see like”

double your WEs, like massive prime is massive. You got your podcast that you could be doing anytime. And you've got a wife and a daughter. It just seems like that's a lot. Like most people couldn't even handle two of those things. Like why keep pushing it and doing new brands and building you things? A, I feel compelled to. Like I genuinely feel called to make this stuff. B, I have a bit of occupational ADD. We're like I cannot function if I'm only working on one or two

things. Like I have, I have to, I have to keep my mind busy. And actually besides this past Monday night, we're like, I did throw a couple back to celebrate the illustrator sale. I've been sober. And that clarity, like, has made me like a working maniac. Like all I can think about is work. My brain is just like exploding with ideas and like, I have to get them out. I have to have to do, do, do, do, do. I feel, I feel called to. And I also feel that I have a ability in the collecting space

to like make something really good. And it made a lot of sense for me, because like I, I clearly like have some influence as like a collector. It feels like there's meat on the bone. If I'm not taking an opportunity to try to build something disruptive in the collector space. You do have an eye to be early. It seems like to a lot of the collectibles. What really caught my attention is you were collecting a Bob Ross and you were bidding against

Drake. Yeah. You see it's in there. Now I didn't see it. Just took it out. But that was something

where I thought, oh man, now I want a Bob Ross. And that was never something I'd think about or even

the space jam that was down there. I'm like, that is so cool. And now I see one on eBay, which I'm

“pretty sure I'm just going to go ahead and buy. You have to do. How do you figure out what's going to”

be going up in value? Do you buy it with future value in mind or do you just buy what you like? Very, very, very, very, very, very. It's taste. I wish I had like a answer you could dissect, but it's taste. I'd buy things I'm interested in. Hopefully they hold the value. But like, you know, flashback to two years ago, like, yo brother, your Pokemon card was not holding it's value. Dog like Pokemon had a law. A big law. And it's easy to say now. Like man,

Pokemon's exploding. It's like, if you believe in the long term vision, no problem. I do especially for Pokemon. Bob Ross is a legend, bro. Legend. And his art is actually really good. I know. It's really good art. So yeah, I got a Bob Ross. Yeah, I lost an auction against Drake. But I got all sorts of stuff that I think is like, best in class assets. And I'd also sit in this unique position where like, if I tell the story around the thing, right, I take my spotlight and go,

“yo, look at this. Here's why it's important. I think people go, oh, yeah, I could see why”

the illustrators work that much. It could only be one of the illustration contents. Only 39 of them were awarded and they were great by Tsukunashita, the creator of Pikachu. It's a Pikachu, creator by the creator of Pikachu. It's insane. You couldn't buy this card from a Mac. You had

story that like no one knew and not people know and like the values there. So you're telling

me, you had a third of your net worth in a Pokemon card. Hold on a second. We never actually

“said what my net worth was. But a liquidish. I mean, like, would you consider that liquid net worth?”

It's, it's, it's, it's mostly, I mean, you, you could probably offload that relatively quickly. More of my net worth was in, um, card board than like any financial advisor would tell you makes any sense. What am I going to do with the stock, bro? Oh, let it let you free shape based dividend. No, no, no, no. I go to the vault that we store the cards in. I look in my card and I feel good. I feel like Ash catch them out there, bro. We got to talk about how you're wasting

money because there, there has to be some phantom drain. There has to be some money that's being

brought. I just told you I spent. I sent 101.2 million to the wrong wallet. Like talk about

wasting money. It's gone. But if we talk about in the big picture, I mean, it sucks, but it's not going to be life-roaning. Yeah. What's the worst money you've ever spent? My $90,000 Mercedes couch that Iraq chump from. So it's a stupid decision. Whose idea was that to buy the couch? Iraq. No, you. Oh, sorry to my couch. Yeah, me, yeah. The idea was this because I had just bought a Mercedes lifted G-wagon. And the idea was that when I get home, I hop out the Mercedes to go sit on some

Mercedes. I thought I was a gangster, bro. I was in my like, like, YouTube flex era. We're like, you know, I brought where, like, a whole handful of rings. Yeah. And look, like a dweebo. Like, brought, I look back at my 2016, 2017 vlogs and like, I hate myself. Like, as a 30 year old man, I look back and like, I would not have been a fan of myself. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And so I see some of these youngsters these days and I'm like, man, they're young. You know,

they'll age up, everyone changes. How much do you think you've spent on Pokemon cards? Just that.

“10 mil, at least. Are there any of those cards you regret buying?”

No. What is your current collection look like today?

Gangster. It's incredible. I'm sitting, I'm sitting in the best position I've ever sat in as far

as a collector because I've diversified. Five years ago, I was very vocal about collecting Pokemon. Then I realized something. If I'm vocal about something in a market spikes and I want more of it, I've essentially just bit against myself because now everyone's charging 1.5 to 2x of what they were charging because I told the story about it. And so now I've been collecting and silence on some things that I just have not spoken about because I'm well aware that like, if I tell you,

I love dinosaurs and like, I've probably spent a million dollars in dinosaurs. I'm going to have to spend two million dollars to get the same thing. And like, and like, I've experienced that as well. Dude, I put a, put a two million dollar offer on a dinosaur

“skull. Like I said, no, did he know what was you? Yeah, he knows me. Do you think that hurt you?”

Sometimes. Sometimes. Because here's another thing. I will not overpay because I'm me. You will risk losing the deal. Why can't you have a lawyer reach out on your behalf? Because I notice I've wanted to dinosaur for a very long time. Any sort of fossil or foot, skull. And then Ken Griffin bought that stegosaurus and the values have now just like quadrupled. I can't buy a dinosaur anymore. I watched, I watched the auction happen life. I was going to bid on it. The estimate was between

four and six million, rather, four and six million. Are we sat there with the auction live ready to hit bid for four million, four point five. You probably on all the same auction. Oh, yeah. That's a little later obviously. And so I'm watching this that stegosaurus, go on. Like 11 million. This is crazy twice the estimate. 25 million, 30 million. Of course. I was like, what's happening here? It's actually that auction that made me realize that my card could

go nuclear, which is what happened. Same thing happened with the Paul Newman Rolex Daytona, when that sold at a crazy price, he brought up the entire watch partner with. And yes, the dinosaurs are dinosaurs are, they're one of the best asset classes to invest in in my opinion, because it's also the coolest piece of art you ever see. It's a dinosaur. My prize possession is a 66 million year old triceratops skull. How much you buy that for? 500. Okay. What's it valued

at now? Probably a million, but like three years before years ago. So, we see it was in this house. It's in my last. What is the logic to have millions of dollars in dinosaurs, but zero in the stock market? I'm not going to do it the stock bro. Let me tell you what happens when I come down stairs

in perspective. In one moment, I go, man, we really are just like an evolved speck of dust that

we had this short little amount of time to live on this earth. The dinosaurs were the greatest

“species to ever roam the earth. Do you know how many years they were around, guys?”

Hundreds of millions of years. Literally. Do you know how many years humans have been around? Between 200 and 300,000. To put that into perspective, it's like, bro, we are a blip on this radar of earth. The dinosaurs are the greatest species to ever roam the planet. To get to own a piece of that and let myself be inspired and count my blessings every day and look up at the sky and realize me, my humanity, like, bro, Nvidia stock can't make me do that or shout out Jensen. Are you buying

more dinosaurs? I can't afford them, bro. Because I like Pokemon. Maybe if you invested, those investments would be able to buy your dinosaur. Let me tell you something. Yeah. Had my beautiful daughter, I had about six months of like a bit of a law where I wasn't doing WWE and I was taking my time to be a dad, but my brain will go and I'll just start conceptualizing it. And I got very deep into

“starting a dinosaur company, a fossil company. I mean, honestly believe dinosaurs are going to be”

positive. I agree. I've gone down all the documentaries, I'm like the fossils and the dinosaur market, these buying these and why geologists say, oh, they should be in collections,

not in private hands, I've seen every. It's true. So that's sest with them. Brother, they're incredible.

Yeah. That, though, is the dilemma. And I'm glad Ken Griffin is loaning his dinosaur out, so I think the museum of natural history, yeah, in New York, because like to have a specimen like apex, that's Tegosaurus. So for 44.6 million, being a private collection is like a bit of a shame. And I even like, I have this triceratops call, right? And like, I'm like, you know, maybe it should be in a museum, maybe it should triceratops. There's a lot more of them.

So like that one, maybe, but like the, the, the one of one stands or shoes, the big T-Rex, like that, brought those, those can't be in private collections. So I do hope that if people are

collecting like these otherworldly, best in class, 70% bone completion specimens,

I'd like that they'd be in museums or collections where like young people, especially can see them and allow themselves to be, to marvel at this, um, spectacle that is prehistoric fossils.

“In terms of spending now, what was the logic behind buying this house?”

Um, yeah, yeah, it is really expensive. It was not like a financially sound decision because of how much money it was. Um, a couple like kind of practical things, I think like you can understand one, um, our old place. There's construction next door. That started at 7 a.m. every single morning. We have about another two years of that, I think, and like that's tough, bro, because I need sleep. If I, if I don't sleep, I'm not going to be able to do, I'm not going to be able to survive.

I also was ready to enter my billionaire phase, bro, to be honest with you. I was ready to, I was ready to level up and become like a big boy and put my back against the wall and live an environment that I thought would be conducive to my work and force me to lock in. I, I told myself, if I, if I'm moving this house, I would stop smoking weed, which is like, bit of advice from me. I got to, I got to watch that demon. The truly is the devil's lettuce.

Truly. And I did. And I've been locked in, bro, as having more money made you happier. It's made me more appreciative, which I think manifests itself in like interesting ways. Like, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's made me more grateful. Like, bro, I look, I'm like glancing outside every so often. Like, I can't believe this is my house. And I'm so grateful for it. And I pray every day, and I just think. And that gratitude is like, provides an interesting level of

happiness. I think that, like, doesn't, it hasn't gone away. Like, I also am someone who am pretty good at perspective, which is like way easier said than none, but if you can master the artist perspective, like, you're sitting in a good spot. But, bro, how can I complain about anything in this house? So if we're even suffering, shut up, bro, shut up, you're a billionaire and like, in a beautiful house, and there's people suffering on the streets, bro, like shut the

fuck up, you're, like, you're good. And I get it, bro, I have bad days, and I'm gonna complain, and I'm kind of being a hypocrite a little bit, but like, bro, it could be way worse, dog.

and having this huge purchase that kind of lit the flame. Like, your back is up against the wall,

now you gotta make it work. I've always loved doing that. I've always loved doing that. Back

against the, because I'm a fighter, bro, like, my back's against the wall. Jake does the same thing. We do the same thing. Yeah. We're similar in this way. We spend money in a way that like, makes us have to continue working. And I also know other successful people who do, who do this as well. Like, spend the money. God make money, bro. God no choice now. You don't want to let your

“family down. I don't, I don't want to lose the house. Do you think money has changed you, at all?”

Mmm. Would you say it's for the better or for the worse? I think it's for the better. Because I've been humbled so many other times by life in various regards, everyone on the internet knows that I'm talking about. But like, did I failed? Like, more times than one in front of the whole world, that can destroy a person or humble them. But a humility check for any man is not a bad thing. In fact, I think most people need it. I had to be checked by life like multiple times. And I

think it's led me to, if I do say so myself, be like a semi-grounded person who is still somewhat in touch with reality, although living an extremely unrelatable life and having a lot of resources. And I'm, and I'm, and I'm like, I'm proud of myself for that to be honest with you. Side tangent here. I just want to say one of my favorite videos of yours was the Tetris video. Dude. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you so much. That was such a fun video to make.

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ever say hey Logan? Maybe we shouldn't be spending maybe let's put some aside. Does she ever yes? But something happened that made her no longer do that. On an episode of a reality show Paul American, I told her I bought Wayne Gretzky's final championship game hockey stick for $336,000. She was like what the? Is wrong? Like in a nice way. She was just like oh my god. I can't believe about a stick. For that much. It's Wayne Gretzky's the great one. You know my stupid man

“brain like rationalizing this insane purchase. And then I think a lot of people were like it's”

commenting. It's his money. Don't tell him how to spend it. Whatever. And she was like it's fine. Like I you know what? You're right. Spend the money how you want. And I also think she sees that like the stuff that I buy holds its value because they're best in class assets. They're grails. Yeah you know. And so I think she's gotten a little more trust in my ability to spend money and then have its storage value and hopefully one day make money. It's just insane to me that you

have more money in a stick than you do in stocks. I don't have a single stock voice. Have you ever had one? Yes. What happened? I found E-trade annoying. Until you just like told your guy, hey give me out of everything. Did you make money when you had the stocks? No. So you've only ever lost money in the stock market. Yeah. Technically. Yeah. What stock was it? I don't know. And who told you to buy it? I don't know. So you downloaded E-trade, transferred money, and bought something, sold

“something, got out, and then bought a dinosaur head. It's about right. I think over the next 20 years”

I do think a dinosaur is going to outperform the stock market in fairness. But it depends what you buy.

What's if the dinosaur to buy? If you have a budget under a million dollars to buy a dinosaur?

Okay. Or how much is it to get a grail piece? It's not like, you know, $40 million. Buy a T-Rex tooth bro. How much of those? Probably $50,000 plus dollars depends what size you buy. But like, I haven't in that room, but like, I bought it for like $30,000. It's worth like $60 now. I mean that is pretty cool. It's a T-Ranosaurus Rex tooth. And those, I don't want those. The argument of like, it should be in a museum doesn't apply. Because there are a lot of T-Rex teeth,

but like not enough to make it the value. But doesn't that make it less valuable? Because there's so many teeth out there. That's where this gets interesting. This is what I realized when I was starting, thinking about starting a dinosaur company. Okay. I pulled the T-Rex tooth from the earth, myself. We went digging, which is also, I hear some people being like, what dinosaur maybe dinosaur didn't exist. Oh, they're self-uidiates. Of course, they exist. I pulled the T-Rex tooth out of the earth,

myself, could have been planted there by some of them. No chance. 0% chance. No way.

No. It was, it was, and it was an incredible experience. And in that moment, right? I'm looking

around, we're in the middle of Montana with the health precoogans, shout out to the hoogans, who just unearthed by the way that largest T-Rex tooth ever found ever. Just like 13, 14 inches long. It's like this bit. It's insane. Just the guy that owns all the land there. He does own a lot of the land. But I don't know if it's that the guy. But yes, he owns a ton of land. We're on that ton of land. I'm looking around. Oh, where in the middle of? No, where? Where in the middle of nowhere? And I'm like,

dude, how did you find this little plot of dirt to dig in that is like uncovered in in Kyle, a sore skull? He found a pack he's definitely sore as there. He's in the middle of getting like a a femur out of the ground and so I'm like, how did he do this? It's like a needle in a haystack.

hundreds of millions of years. Humans have been around for 300,000 years. Do you know how many dinosaur bones there are in the earth? They're probably bro everywhere. There are dinosaur bones everywhere. You got to be in the right area, right? There's like a like a dinosaur straight in middle America. But if you can figure out how to optimize and efficiently, find and extract the dinosaur bones from the earth, there's a real business there. Because dog, let me

tell you some no fence to the Hooligans. And I love these guys. But sticking your knife in the ground and twisting it, just to find a teeth for eight hours a day or two, three hours a day is not a viable way to optimize the extraction of fossils from the earth. So they're ready to be like a machine or something that just stomps and scans, right? Wouldn't that make you bearish on the prices of dinosaur and corbillion? Yes. So is it a good or bad investment? I don't think anyone has the wherewithal

in the dinosaur space to do what I'm saying. There are a few people who could do it. Some of which are some of whom were friends of mine. But it's hard. It's like a real operation. And I got, I'm telling you, I got close to doing how the sick is. I feel like they're going to do it when the value reaches a certain point. And then the cost of not doing that becomes higher than what they're able to unearth. You just got to have the, you got to have the grit and the drive.

I've become obsessed with these things, bro. Obsessed. Right now, I am obsessed. Well, I'm always

“obsessed with, right now, especially I'm obsessed with collectibles. Obsessed. That's why I have to”

make rip it. Also, it's called rip it. What a dope name, bro. It's my proudest branding accomplishment ever. Now, we got the trademark for rip it. Is there a number where you would feel done financially? No. Do you plan on being a billionaire? No, I think I, I think I'll become one, but like I don't plan on it. I think I'll become one though, God willing. At what money amount does more money stop making such an impact on like overall happiness and like what you are able

to do? I've heard about like a hundred million, the difference between like a hundred million

and a billion is kind of like marginal. I think that I also think there's like another level of

like the billions and billions that is like a level of wealth. You can't even understand. I can't even understand it. I've seen it. It's like unfathomable. In your own life, was there a certain

“inflection point where like more money didn't really make that much of a difference? I think I'm here.”

But not, that's actually not, that's actually not true at all. Because like, bro, I like if you, if you, if you gave me 16.5 million dollars, for example, I could spend that tomorrow tomorrow. What would you buy? Pokemon cards. I am currently on a Pokemon mission unlike no other. That is, will be the most insane story that's ever been told in Pokemon. How much do you think Gary King Pokemon's collection is worth? At least 10 million. I don't think more than that.

Given that he has so many of the first edition PSA 10 chart. He's like 20 of them. No. No. I think he has like between eight and ten that I know of. Who knows? Use a gangster. But he has a sealed case of first edition boxes that he opened just to check if it was first edition boxes and it was, so like let's, it's essentially sealed. That alone is worth. It's the thing I tried to buy that I got scammed out of. The, the GI, GI joke cards. The turn out to be GI

joke cards. That alone is, I mean, that's probably six to seven million. So yeah, I guess you're right.

“He probably, I don't know, probably between 10 to 15 million probably, maybe more. I think it's 20.”

Because what he does, I've noticed it's always up on eBay when you search for Pokemon and he

prices it about 30 something percent higher than the market value. Yeah. And it consistently raises. Yeah. I remember when it was 5,555,000 dollars for the whole collection and then I went to 10 and then 15 and 20. I think it's 33 now. So for example, if I had like a ton of money, bro, I would just clean these collections because I just really believe in Pokemon, especially because I do. You ever see kids rip packs these days? They're careful about them. They are obsessed.

Young people are obsessed with ripping packs. They're playing the game. Pokemon is still the highest grossing franchise in the world. To me, that is a determinant that tells me, Pokemon has at least another 10 to 20 years because in the same way that it affected me as a child

Mucci, the guy who bought my card. Yeah. When we were talking at the end, he's probably 33. And guess what, him and his brother love Pokemon. They went to tournaments. They're like battling. They were invested in Pokemon. Then I'll send these little youths grow up and make some money and can spend their money on this alternative asset class. And so it will happen for the youth now who will grow up and make some money and be able to invest copies amongst the money on Pokemon.

So how are you investing your money today? Where is your like net worth allocated? Real estate, no stocks. What percentage Pokemon as opposed to other alternative investments? A lot of it is in real estate. I have two houses here, bro. It's a lot of money. A lot of it's in Pokemon. A lot of it's in this collectible platform that I'm personally investing into. Besides the real estate, bro, I'm kind of like betting on myself a little bit, betting on myself investing myself.

“And like the things I'm buying at least the collectible stuff is stuff that I think like”

stories can be told around it. You know, we're like that deserve that spotlight that I mentioned. And then of course you have Prime, which have you ever been offered a buyout?

Buyout? Yeah. No. Never once. No. Everyone wants to invest in it. Would you sell Prime

for 5 billion right now? It's funny because that's obviously like a ton of money, guys. I would make you billionaire overnight. But like, I think I've reached a point where I just don't know. I don't know. Like money. Like money. Like the, it's just a number. Like it becomes a bit marginal. I think I'm at that point. There's two question earlier. Like I think I'm at that point where it's like, I don't know. If it's worth it, I guess I could phrase it like this. There

comes a point in your life where you will not do something simply for the sake of more money. Oh, I'm there. Yeah. Yeah. I'm there. So money is not the biggest motivator. It becomes something else. That's, yeah. Yeah. That's where I'm at. What do you think is an invalid criticism that you get? To put this, the most blunt possible is that any inclination that I'm a scammer. Like that is, that is, it's patently false. And unfortunately, I'm in a position where

“the only way to prove that is in a courtroom, which I intend to do sooner rather than later.”

And I'm, and I'm looking forward to it because online, a lot of false narratives can be spun up and unfortunately, people believe them. But yeah, I'd say it's, I'd say it's that the businesses that I build are not started with anything but the best intentions. I don't, I like, bro. I don't, if it's not an abundantly clear to you, like, I'm not chasing money. I like building. And it happens to be a byproduct of things that I make.

Like, I'm good at making it. I better at spending it. But like, I like building. And I, and I try to make stuff that I think is disruptive and fun and people can use. And like,

it doesn't always work out. And I think there is a bit of a misconception that people have

in that, um, something not working out in a business setting doesn't mean you had bad intentions.

“Does that make sense? Especially now, especially if you can be made to click bait and like a YouTube thumbnail”

and like, people can make tons and tons and tons of videos about YouTube and rich themselves and get attention like, bro. God bless you. Go, go do that. Get that bread. But when you lie, over and over again, video after video, time and time again, and you know you're lying, eventually you may find yourself being held accountable in a court. I have noticed that a lot of times people will to me also like make something up and then everyone sees this and it gets a lot of likes

and then they treat it as fact because that one comment got a lot of likes. Like recently, apparently Jack had a trust fund. I was unaware of it and Jack is a distant relative of mine. According to the general public, because there's another individual that shares my same name,

Jack Selby, and he was a part of the PayPal mafia. I've never met him. I've never spoken to him.

I tried to speak to him. Didn't work out and he somehow knew Elon and Elon is apparently my father. But he's not. And so this got a bunch of likes and then people were responding to this comment saying, "Wow, I never knew Jack. I've been watching this podcast for five years and I never knew he was a descendant of generational wealth." And then another comment's like, "Yeah, you didn't know that and then also this." And I'm like, "Where did this come about?" It was also crazy. I mentioned a

while, years ago, that my dad was an animator for Disney in the 80s and 90s. So awesome. And then someone

and that I wouldn't have been successful if it were not for my dad being an executive at Disney feeding me clients at 18 years. And I have no idea where they come up with this but

everyone's like, "Oh, wow. No, I had no idea. It's funny. Graham never mentioned this. Why would

he be hiding this? Now it all makes sense." Boy, so I'm going to tell you something. People will

“believe anything that makes their reality make sense. The truth is no longer important or objective.”

Unfortunately, it doesn't even, it doesn't matter, especially with AI now. People are not going to know what to believe. And so they'll bother to believe everything or believe nothing. But I think people are idiots, generally speaking, and we'll probably believe everything. They do not care about truth. They do not care about resolve. They do not care about nuance. So if a headline makes sense to them that fits their interpretation of reality and what they're seeing, that's what they're going to

be glued to. And then if they find out facts that negate that information. Facts. Facts. Evidence. Truth. That negates that evidence. They don't care. It doesn't matter if that. It doesn't fit the reality. And so like, I'm done trying to convince people who could. But you got to believe me. Even that's why I have no interest in talking about certain stuff that no matter how much I say,

“people always are going to have something to say. And if you want to get to the bottom of it,”

great. Let's lawyer up and flesh it out in a courtroom setting. Because you can't hide and court and for that reason, it's fantastic. Truth matters. Like, it's a jury of your peers. Not dumb YouTube audience that's influenced by the other guy in the echo chamber comment section. Like, that's insane. That's, that's not a facts, bro. Even even on X. But some of, I get community notes on X. Flames me. But a lot of the times, it's incorrect. Like, it's a community. No.

Written by members of the community upvoted by members of the community. And if you're someone like me who has a large community that doesn't like you, the law just gang up on you once, whether you can't even trust the platform. Like, that's it. That's that prides itself on truth and objectivity and facts to say truth of objectivity and facts. Here's something you can't clear up though. The Pikachu illustrator card got created to PSA 10. They say they you got it

“regrated to 10. I think you should set the record straight on that. I don't even know what to say.”

This is so ridiculous to me. Like, I bought it as a 10. Like, it does a video online with like

six, don't. I think like eight million views. Maybe more of me buying it as a PSA 10. So I

wear this, this one I don't understand at all. I bought the Pikachu illustrator as a 10. There is objective proof. That's a fact. You can watch it. Link in description. What is that? Where does that even start? Like, that this one's crazy because it's like, it's show there's it's so cut and dry that card had been graded 10 for like a decade. What's like, help me understand actually. They say that your connection got it regrated as a 10.

When it was a 10. When I bought it, you got to help me grim. I'm just saying that's what they're saying. But like, that's and that's a bit we could dispel. But how does that, but like, do you think, do you think you're saying this is just not going to make a difference? There's no point. Hell, though. Hell, bro, it's so gross. They will go watch the video of me buying the card as as a 10. From the guy who had it for five to ten years before me, where he bought it as a 10.

And they'll go, I don't even know what they'll say. This is like, I have a disconnect with a portion of the internet because I just don't understand the criticism. And then if I talk about it,

there's always something else. Bro, this this podcast alone will feed commentary channels

for the next three months. Like, they will have a feast with this thing. And the bro, God bless you guys. Honestly, God bless you guys. Get that bread just if you can, keep it true for. What do you say to the criticism that the PSA 10 should have been a 9 based on its condition? My opinion about the grade of that card is that it's the best Pikachu illustrator that I've seen. And I have 10s in worse condition. It's a 10. Yeah, that's my opinion. The card is

unequivocally objectively a 10. I don't know if the concern that criticism is so much directed at me or like, it is Bethany of the day, which doesn't make sense. I didn't grade the card. The card is great at my PSA 10, 12, 11, 13, 40, I don't know, years ago. Yeah, my understanding to the grading back then, there are a little more lenient than they are

like seven years ago. It's my understanding. I'm not sure. I don't know. But like bro, I mean, the card says 10 on it. It's the only double digit illustrator in the entire world. And the buyer, Ajay Scaramucci, said the following to me. He said, uh, he's like, I did my diligence. I looked at the other alleged better condition cards than this one. He specifically pointed out another one that he saw that is like supposedly in better condition and he landed on this one.

And there were two other bidders above $15 million, which as a buyer, for me, like if I was buying

it's validating, you're not the only one who thinks this is worth over $15 million. And bro, these people are rich because they're not dumb. It isn't dumb money. They did their diligence. And like there will be criticism around anything I do. It does not matter if it's true. People love to run with anything that tears me down. What do you think started this like cascading effect of criticism towards Logan Paul? Japan. That was it. Yeah. And in your beforehand, you had not

experienced anything really. No, I was, I was, I was literally YouTube's golden boy. So everyone

loved you. There was no, Logan Paul, the rise and fall. There was nothing like that. No,

it was simply that. It was yeah. It was, it was the mistake that I made in Japan. And here's where it gets tricky. That's a, that's, that's valid. Like bro, I, I made a, I made a colossal mistake. And it was a moral, it was a moral mistake. And so, you know, a lot of people close their mind off to the idea that this is like a young person who like had his priority shifted and like can become a better human being. It's, oh, like he had a moral dilemma. He's going to have a lot more

“and he's a piece of, he's evil. Like a brassy comments online saying like, I'm evil. Evil?”

Bro, like Hitler's evil. Evil, bro? That's it. That is a strong word. And if that's someone's opinion about me, bro. Honestly, God bless him. I think they're entitled to that opinion. And that's, that's just the way that cookie crumbled. And I think their minds probably closed off to letting me prove that like I'm a human being who, who made it just mistake and tried to learn from it. Do you think that you dealt with that the right way? Should you have made an apology video

for Japan? Yeah. Yeah. I was sorry. I, I, I, I, I genuinely believe I. But to this day, I'm like, like, if you, if, I don't know if this was on your list of questions, but like, if you were to ask me, what's one regret regret you have in life? I, you know, I have more than one, but

“my actions in Japan, it is a regret. Although, I think I became a better human because of it.”

And I certainly tried to do that. And it wasn't like, it's like, yeah, please forgive me. I'm like, I'm a good guy. It was like, all right, I'm going to try to like earn the, like, like, literally just earn the chance to be forgiven. I want to earn the chance to be forgiven. Just a chance to please try, like, let's see if you can open up your mind and like, I'll, I'll prove that I can be forgiven. And that was like eight or nine years ago, and like, I,

I think I've done a decent job of it. But because that happened, it's a lot easier for people than point their finger at me and go like, oh, it's business failed. It's a scam. Oh,

the, the business, like, ultimately didn't work out, but to accuse me of malintensions right off the

rip, especially if you have the facts proving otherwise is that's, that's actionable. For example, um, do you think that you needed that to happen? Yes, I do. I was just heading to head down a very bad path and would have like done something that with that would have had a permanent consequence. Um, but why that is a regret is because there's like a victim and who has a family. And like, they didn't need to see that, bro. Did you ever find out any information on

you did? They did not want to speak to me. Okay. And I understand, um, and that's something I have to live with, bro. You know, that you sleep in the bed you make. I made that bed and like,

“all I can do is try to become a better human being because of it. Um, but I think because there was”

a, uh, a lapse in morality in that moment. People assume and this may even be valid. People may assume that like that lapse is like a permanent part of someone's personality. Some people believe that,

little more like personally in my circles, but I'm pretty candid. Like to the point where it can come

across is like rude. Like I'm pretty blunt. You know how they say treat others the way you want to be treated. I find that to be total. I don't like, or be here on the bush. And if something's wrong, I'm like, bro, you had a thing in your eye earlier. Like I told you, like, I don't care. Like this is like, we, let's, let's cut the shit, let's get to the root of what we're trying to say here. Yeah. Um, it's, it's a little like it can sometimes rub people the wrong way,

“but like that's how I prefer to be treated because like I don't have time for, um, and a lot of”

people want to be babyed. Full grown men want to be babyed and coddled into finding out what you're

trying to say. I don't care to do that. When I think that's a valid criticism. So we recently had Jake

Paul on the podcast. How's your relationship with him today? Like it like varies like day by day. Yeah, it's definitely the strongest it's ever been. But I think he's going through a lot right now of good, but also like he broke his jaw. Yeah. And that sucks. And that's proven to have some complications. Um, his fiance just won a little bit gold saw that and silver, which is insane. He's traveling all over the world. He's busy. He just had this huge fight. Um, and so like we haven't

been as connected as we usually are, but like that's, I guess like one of the side effects of having like a brother who's building an empire. Um, but overall, I'd say our relationship now is like stronger than it's ever been because we've we've had a bunch of ups and a bunch of downs. But like

ultimately, I think the downs make the relationship that much stronger if you can work through them.

What was the biggest disagreement you've had with Jake? I mean, bro, the most recent one is like the disagreement that's very public right now on X. And it's a very current. Like it's it's not it's is bad. How much does that spill over into your personal life? Like are you texting him? Yeah. Yeah. And bro, let me just before we even dive into this, let me say this particular one is complicated because although I've seemingly disagree with his position on this,

and I can say that. And I believe I have even as his brother the right to say that. You, I love him so much, dearly, and I love my family members. And I'm sure people can understand this. That doesn't mean I share their views. And in some regards, I believe I have the right to express my disapproval. And like, I don't know if like there needs to be push back all the time. Like you'd support your brother no matter what. Like, like, yes, but this one's pretty

egregious to me. And so I felt important to vocalize that we are different people. I love him. I disagree with this viewpoint. Hold heartedly. I'm surprised how often people confuse you, too.

“That's the issue. And that's why it does bleed over into my life. People think I'm him.”

People think we're the same person. Yeah. I could call Jake. He could call Logan. They think we're the same person. And so it's like, it's tough. You know, it's hilarious. Not to completely 180, but like when we had him on our show and we asked what the biggest disagreement, like where your relationship with him was in the most turmoil, what would you say it was? My guess would be like politically. For him, it was when you guys were making

districts. Oh, I mean, I mean, I mean, bro, that's like that was like a violently. That was bad. That was bad. Like that's crazy because to me as a viewer, like I was just like, yeah, I was at that time. I'm just like, oh, they did a district. Yeah. And then I'm like in my mind somewhere else. And then he was like as soon as he said that team 10's not even making any money. He's like, then I was angry. Like that was that was it. He told me that was a bar. He was like that was a good

lot to your investors know that. Yeah, your investors know that. He said, he made it anyway.

“I mean, that's what they're not really. That was a bar. That was a bar bro. It sounded like a really”

when I wrote that. I was like, I did that. We go crazy. Yeah, bro, uh, had to put him in the dirt for that one. I don't know what I even said in the song, but now I got to go and put you in the dirt, like there's all out there. And that was real. And that was, uh, became like an era of you to the YouTube diss track era champion by me and my brother was insane. Who was a better musical

like, I would say it's every day. Wow, it's more known. Absolutely, Bangor. Yeah, every day. I mean,

Nick Krompton just crushed really took that to the next level. Absolutely, he just crushed it. Everybody throws a banger. Jake definitely tried to make a run at music. I did too. I did too.

“Then I think we both realized it. We're just not, we don't have the it factor. I don't got the talent”

sucks. What is Jake taught you? And do you ever look at what he has or what he's accomplished with like any envy or jealousy? I think I'd be lying if I said no. I don't know any like specific examples that come to mind. But it's definitely a very easy narrative for people online to like, he's jealous of his brother and Jake's even approached me and wants to be like, bro, you're jealous of me. And I had to be like, dude, from the bottom of my heart. Like, I'm in the

happiest place in my life. And I'm so glad you have everything you've ever wanted. And so do I. I don't have an ounce of jealousy for you. Like, there was, uh, there was, uh, a narrative online for a while that I was jealous of his fight career, um, which, like, I think the way these things get spun up is by like a look or something sad or maybe like, oh, I think I could beat you and then people like he's just jealous. No, I'm like a delusional optimist. Like Jake thought he could be Anthony Joshua.

No, bro. Like no, no shot. But like he believed it. So then I kind of believe it. Like that's just the way that's the way it worked. I, what he's taught me to answer that or whatever I learned from him, he's got this ability to be patient that I really appreciate. His long-term vision is more fleshed out than mine. And in many ways, he is more discipline than me, which isn't ultimate contributor to his success. He's extremely disciplined when he wants to be. Is there anything he has in his life

right now that you are a little bit jealous of? Prime agent? Oh, and won't. No, because he lets me use the private jet. Like, like, we've, that's brotherly love, right? Yeah, that's true. Yeah, like we get to pay

“at cost. Yeah, like we get an extreme discount. Man, I think jealous is the wrong word. Like because”

jealous implies a bit of like, you don't want to like, I should have that. Yeah. Yeah, no, I mean, like it's all

just things. And I think, I think the things that he has are like, incredible and I'm happy for him.

I think his ranch is that looks like an awesome purchase, 5,500 acre ranch, but that's nine square miles. There might be dinosaurs on there. It doesn't appear to be in the Dino belt. It's an Georgia. You've looked. Yeah. And like, he may, he may find something in there, but it doesn't appear. Nah, bro. I like, I don't know. Not really. You've also mentioned though, recently they were locking in. So you quit a lot of vices that you had. You're trying to focus on health. Yeah.

Do you think if someone is of you or let's just say, is broke and out of shape, the first thing they should do is get in shape or try to get their money out. Fitness is the first step to greatness. Without question undoubtedly. I'd use to not think that. I used to not think that. But if you're not taking care of yourself, how can you take care of anything else? Your body is your temple. This is the one vessel you have. When I pray, I pray that I was putting this vessel. It's just a vessel

guys. My consciousness is like wherever, but I've been programmed in this body. Treat it like a temple. Why would you not? And if you don't have discipline about the thing that's powering your entire existence on this planet, how can you expect to have discipline anywhere else? Put on your sneakers. I thought about writing a book one day and calling it, put on your sneakers. To me, we'll alter like your intention of what you're doing. If you have your sneakers on

and you show up in a gym, like you don't know, just I dare you to do this. Put on your sneakers and walk into a gym. What do you think you're going to do? Walk out. Straight to the treadmill. No incline. No, probably work out harder because honestly, sometimes I'll work out in Birkenstock, sometimes I'll work out in like slip-ons, but I haven't even thought like, I don't work down in like, running shoes in a while. Oh, brother. You don't even got to like,

just put on your fucking tattoos. Go walk in a gym and see what happens. If you turn around and walk out of that door, what kind of person are you? Bro, you're in sneakers at the gym. And sneakers at the gym. Bro, go walk on the treadmill. I don't care what you do. We'll walk on a treadmill. Next day, go walk on the treadmill. Next day after that, put out 1% incline. Like, start somewhere,

“fitness, fitness. I think truly is the first step to greatness. How do you maintain your physique?”

First off, I'm incredibly consistent with my workouts. I've been working out for six days a

back to the consistency thing. And I noticed around 1, 4, 5, 6, you start to like, for me. Anyways, my body starts to look like really tizzled. I'm religious about recovery.

“And I'm pretty specific with my pre-workouts and post-workouts. What did it look like?”

Well, for me, it's primary energy pre-workout, which like, yes, it's my brand. Yes, I'm inherently a little bit biased. That thing makes me run through a wall at the gym. And like, it's way better than working out without it, because like, I can power through workout. I also think the type of workouts I do, he laughs at me. But I think I think the type of workouts I do, not a lot of people would do. And I think any, what type of workouts do you? So, every workout

pretty much, I start with a weighted jump rope 15 minutes. And then this is like a peak workout at the end, at the last 10 seconds of every minute, you do double jumps. Oh, wow. Okay. So,

first off, I dare you to jump for 15 minutes with a weighted jump rope. You're going to

die. Second off, the double jumps for the last 10 seconds at the end of every every minute, gets you shredded in your whole body and you're doing cardio. After that, you start your workout, like your actual workout. And so, like, to me, it's an easy way to both shred and get cardio, burn a ton of calories. You're accomplishing a lot and working a lot of your body, just just jump or jumping rope. And you could do it wherever. And then obviously post-workouts. So,

“prime shake, yeah, yeah, again, it's another prime product. But what's your macros?”

Looks like I don't count them. Do you just generally try to eat like low calorie high protein? I was last time you had like fast food. Probably the other day at the FBO, had some McDonald's restaurants. That's so clean though, you're around. Am I metabolism on my genetics? Okay. Like, genetics are pretty important, bro. And like, I've really good genetics and a crazy metabolism. Like, I was the skinny kid and the small kid and high school then I hit P Rudy and like

filled out. So my metabolism was crazy. But I would say, I feel like intermittent fasting has a little something to do with it. I generally don't eat a full meal until about 3 to 5 p.m. That's when I eat breakfast. And then like I said, I'm also religious about recovery. And what's your workout split look like? Or is there any specific workout that has worked incredibly well for you that people don't do? I mean, yeah, it would be the jump rope. Okay. Jump rope. And then I'll alternate what I'm doing

each day based on like specific parts of my body. What do you think's the most underdeveloped

muscle in your physique? Probably my legs. It's always calves for me. It's your tough. When

do you ever work out your calves? I just did the other the other week. We got a new equipment to the gym. Okay. Aside from that. Yeah, but I stopped doing it because I'd never saw results for calves. It's tough. Ever. And I was like, why am I spending time on this one of your calves? They're the same. Because I jump rope. I jump rope, bro. I think it's all just calf calf calf calf jump rope. You know me times a jump rope, bro? I've been jumping rope for five years straight. Then you add that

way to jump rope, but you're just going nuts. What do you listen to in your jump rope ring? I'm not incredibly particular. Dean is a great DJ. She has a dope EDM playlist. I like EDM because it's a good tempo. And then, I'm down one of these 18 plus prime energy. Go workout with some EDM. Snickers at the gym. Add that. I'm only half and I feel pretty locked in. Yeah. Do you look Max? No, I don't look. Looks Max. Looks Maxing is interesting. It's interesting. Do you like

looks Maxing? I don't know. I don't know how I feel about it. I feel like if people want to look Max like go for it. Like anything to make you feel comfortable in your own skin. Would you

lose your current physique for $100 million? Yeah. And then just get right back into shape. Yeah.

But let's see. You could only be out of shape. No. No. I'm already, I'm already have some genetic dispositions that concern me specifically with my heart that run in the family. And so like I have to, I have to be health conscious. Like, bro, we've got 30 years old. Get a clearly scan on your heart. See, like some of my arteries have like 20% build up. Bro, what's your cholesterol?

“It's not high. It's not. What's causing the plaque? Genetics. I think that's what I was told.”

Because usually that shows up with high particles and cholesterol if you do it like a blood work.

threes. That I take omega threes. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. What's the best piece of content you've ever made?

It's gotta be my Pokemon content. The best piece of content. Yeah. You've been making content for so long. The 99 or 99 of originals was spectacular. If I do say so myself, it's definitely my proudest accomplishment in content. But I think the best would be Pokemon related stuff. And I only say that because I just went back to watch it recently because I'm scripting this next quest that I'm on. And I was watching it and I was like, bro, this content is incredible. Like, I don't

when the last thing you guys have watched that those Pokemon videos, like pursuing the Pikachu Illustrator or buying the $200,000 first edition, but it's really good. If I do say so myself,

“yeah, I don't know how anyone can watch it be like this sucks. And I think that's why I”

have so many views. I remember when I posted being like, why does this have so many views? And I

watch back now and I'm like, oh, deserves 10 million views. This is incredible. Yeah, they're really

good. Thank you. Thank you. How often have you gotten scammed when buying cards? Because I saw that one Pikachu Illustrator and you peel it off. Was that real? Was it like an actual scam or did you find one of these cards? That was real. I did not have a lot of conviction that it was a real card because it was like some kid in the area. It was like, yeah, it's on this card. My guess is that he was the one who printed it out. And it didn't entirely look real. And I threw him a couple

thousand dollars because he was like, yeah, I do just keep it. And I'm like, this probably isn't real, but I don't know how he made it. And then I got home when I was eating, I think it was pasta.

You can see in the bowl in that video. I was eating pasta and I was like, oh my god, this is

a sticker. So bro, I take this fake Pikachu Illustrator. I see that it's a sticker. I peel it off and then in anger, I punch through the window. I punch through the window and sever my wrist and end up spending the night in the hospital. Two miles down the street. I get this charge from a hospital at 4 a.m. and I'm like, you know what? You sleep in the bed if you make. I'm the two punch through a glass window in my house for stupid video. I'm a walk home. It's like a real

humble at 4 a.m. walk in home, bandaged up. And by the way, well, wrist brother, I thought I was going to die. I run up a system to Mike, Mike's room. It was I think he was streaming by the way. Yeah. I'm like, bro, you got to tell me the hospital bro. Like, this is, I hate to hit a robot. I think this is serious. I'm bleeding out of my wrist dude right on that vein as well. Yeah, God. From a fake Pokemon card. Why hit the window? Why didn't you do that?

I thought it was funny. I thought it was, I thought it would be funny. If I was like, I was like, I'm pretty sure that this card is fake. I think it's peeling. I'm going to make a video and punch

“through this window. It's funny the lessons you learn from doing stupid. I remember that though.”

Got my attention because I think you're eating cereal as usual. It sounds maybe too cereal. On the topic of philosophy, I'm really fascinated by your mentality because like we address the teams like regardless of whatever's happening, you're able to persevere. Why is it that you think so many people have a victim mindset? Obviously, we don't even need to address why having a victim mindset is bad. It just differs blame to everything else. So you take no responsibility and no one

will fix your life. Only you can do that. So you need to accept responsibility for your life. I mean, you're saying it was nothing. There's a lot of people. Why is it so pervasive? There's nothing like revelatory here that I'm going to say that like you guys probably don't know or haven't said yourselves, but I think a lot of people are like generally unhappy. Even if they

“don't know it, I think there's potentially like deep feelings of inadequacy and the only way”

to make themselves feel better is to pretend that everything is happening to them. The world is happening at them. Life is serving them up, the situation versus becoming an adult and grabbing this by the horns and taking charge of your own life. It's my daughter. She's having fun. It's difficult to like manifest your reality and go do things and find motivation or do things that can tell you and I think it's easy to place blame on other people and make yourself

a victim of life. It's easy, bro. Like you feel like about your life going you to, bro, leave a hate comment. You know what I hate comments I've left? How many? One. To who?

a video and I pressed the post. I pressed the post and I remember as a 12 year old thinking,

“holy fuck, I hate her. This is crazy. Why do I do that? What's wrong with me? Like why?”

But you know, that person could have read that video or my comment and been like, "Oh, yeah, Ldoggy J's like, thinks I'm a loser." If you were to give one piece of wisdom to the viewer right now, probably in 18 to 35 year old male, 97% chance. Unfortunately, two percent three percent of that's a woman. Yeah. If you are the two to three percent by the way, please comment. Please let us know. Mike does this with his viewers. They're called the seven percent.

The seven percent. What would you say to these people? Maybe they're dissatisfied with

where they're at in life. I kind of said this earlier, but my number one advice would be

do your best to get some discipline. Like try to structure some discipline in your life and perhaps writing down your goals would help with that. It certainly helped me become a goal-oriented because if you know what you're trying to achieve and I'm saying this can be the smallest thing, it doesn't matter. Make your bed every morning. I make that a goal. I don't care. Like start small. You don't come out in one step. Start with one step. You don't

eat an elephant in one bite. I don't know why you'd be eating an elephant, but it's like a saying. Yeah. And so like start small. Stop comparing yourself to other people. And find the thing that makes you

“tick. I truly believe this. Um... Armacon beat it all. Frischgebatten in Elton in the Logistik”

Centren extra-family in Boni. So we're on top of it, the game is a new goal-oriented in Armheld. Your goal is for you the most beautiful girl in the world. That means you're the most beautiful of all. You'll have celebrities and influencers and motivational speakers tell you like, you can do whatever you put your mind to. You know, everyone's made equal. Like you could do it. That's, I'm going to be honest with you. That's not true. And I know that because I've tried to

do things that I like I work hard. I work really hard. And I will immerse myself in a project or an endeavor and just go all in. And I found that no matter how all in you go, even if you go so hard, you want it to work out so bad. Sometimes it just doesn't work out. It doesn't work out. It's happened to me before. And so like that, like, yeah, just work hard.

You'll win no matter what doesn't always apply. What I think can apply

is finding what makes you tick. Find out the thing that makes you want to get out of bed every morning. Even if it's something you don't even consider for one second could be like a viable business opportunity. Because if you do what you love every day, you'll never have to work a day in your life. It is so cliche. It is so true. And I don't care if it's bro, collecting prime bottles. Like, for example, there's a guy on YouTube who loves collecting

prime bottles. Prime creations. He's got like hundreds of thousands followers. And, you know, God willing, this book becomes a crazy brand one day. Well, I guess it already is. But like, you know, a legacy brand one day, which is a goal of ours. And like, you know, his collection could be worth a lot of money. Like, the things that interest you, there's someone else out there who would interest. And so like, what I do believe is, everyone does have something special in them

“that they can exploit and work hard to maximize, but you have to find it. And you will find it”

by going out and doing it and having hard conversations and looking inwards and meditate, pushing yourself outside of your comfort zone. But like, it's uncomfortable. It's uncomfortable. But like, hopefully you find it. I found professional wrestling at 27 years old. It was 27 years old. And I found the thing that I truly believe I was born to do 27 years, which I still think is incredibly early. No, no, no, this was, yeah, honestly. Yeah, that sounded like you could have

recited that from something else. I mean, that was phenomenal. Thanks. You know what? I love a lot of the people that we bring on of the show. Obviously, we've spoken to so many impressive people, most people that are very impressive have came across a lot of failure. And if you're lucky, failure will then result into you rounding out your personality more. If you're unlucky, then failure can turn you bitter and displeased with life. And it's kind of your response to failure

type of person, a failure will become a learning experience, which will then result in more successes. So I see you as someone who has came up against a lot of failure in your life. But every single time you've utilized it in the proper way, like you did the right thing. You did the thing that rounds out your personality, then let's you learn from it to then hopefully lead to more successes, then failures. But a failure to you is just an opportunity to grow, which I know is super

cliche and cheesy once again. But it seems like your personality is like incredibly rounded out. Way different than what I would have thought. And obviously I had the pleasure of being able to sit across from you and ask you questions. A lot of people obviously will not get this opportunity. And they're going to continue to have their beliefs about you through the computer screen.

But I am basically 100% confident if they had the opportunity to sit across from you,

just have a conversation with you, like man to man, men to man, then they would come to the same

“conclusion. I want to ask you something. I appreciate that. Thank you. Why did you do the podcast?”

Why come on here? You did. You didn't have to do this. Hey, I know we've been talking a lot for a while. There's a bit of persistence on your end that is admirable. Well good at that. It goes a long way, guys. Because hey, I said it when we first have fun. I respect your work. I like you guys as interviewers. I see the types of questions you're asking. And like I've found we've had a rich conversation, although it's been me talking

most of the time. But like I think you can, I think you're good at getting the best out of people or at least like a good version of people out of themselves. And so they have respect the platform. I'm grateful for the opportunity to come on it. And then be your persistent. I also thought that following this illustrator sale, like we kind of have something to talk about. It's, it's I do things sort of if I find that there's like material. Sure. I think the illustrator sale is

“interesting and I think there's a lot of thought happening. And so like it was nice to talk about it.”

No, I really appreciate it. Just like to have this opportunity for us to is massive. Really? Yeah. Thanks, guys. Because I remember what I started making YouTube videos in 2016. And at that time, you were the one that was really doing like major things. And I don't know if you remember this. We actually met, I think it was 2015. It might have been at 24-hour fitness. I'm Hollywood below. Oh, no way. Yeah. No way. Yeah. You're a very short amount of things. That's where I met George

Jaco. Really? We could have been the best friends. Wow. Yeah. It's where I met George. That's crazy. That is crazy. Yeah. What do we say? What was the conversation? I think it is went up and said, "Hey man, I enjoy your videos." Damn. And you were like, "Oh, thanks, bro. Thanks." Really appreciate that. Like you were nice, but you were also like in-between sets. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I did want to like bug you on my own.

See, she's pretty cool. She's pretty cool. Great meeting you, man. Let me see you around. George just said he liked my vines. And then he just bothered me in between all the sets. And then this person's to end, please funny. So I changed numbers. Then we became best friends. See, I'm so aware of people that I just don't want to bother people. Like even texting people sometimes like, "Oh, Jack, I don't want to bother these people." But I found it sometimes that like

I should be sending these texts. It's fair. I'll tell you, I am one, two, three, four unresponded messages deep with Palmer Lucky. That's happens. It's pretty bad. See, wait, he's texted you and you've texted him. I texted him four times with no response. I'm sure he's a busy guy. He's a very busy guy. Yeah. He's right on a few rich or big companies. But like, but yeah, I wouldn't be offended by that. I'd be like,

all right. But I'll get the occasional like unrelated text back about something random.

And it's always like, those four didn't happen. So I'm like, yeah, and I come to accept that like,

that's the relationship. He's doing a lot of things. And that's fine, bro. Like persistence is valuable and it can go a long way. Well, we have some rapid file questions to ask you here to end this out. First, starting it off, it's a few you or Jake questions. Okay. Who has the best song,

“you were Jake? Jake. Who has more money, you were Jake? Jake. Who wins in a fight, you were Jake?”

Boxing or MMA? Boxing. Jake. MMA? Me. Who is a better hairline, you were Jake? Me. Could we see it? Can we see that? It's not horrible. No, you would think that if you keep it kind of like covering up your forehead that it would be. It's not horrible. It would be higher. I'm looking forward to the day that we buzz it off and I enter my Jeff Bezos era. Why wouldn't you just do a hair transplant? Like, uh, I go to Turkey. Yeah, it looks Max. I've heard that the

Turkey hair transplant doesn't always work. Well, it doesn't have to be Turkey. I mean,

there's some really great doctors in the United States, like you probably have the money to

Yeah, you think we're there for the, yeah, visually. Yeah, good shout. Yeah, good shout. Okay. Let me know if you know a guy. Actually, I do know a guy. I do know a guy. Who's apparently very good? I'll get it done. Who are the Mount Rushmore of social media? Mount Rushmore of social media. Top four is like made the biggest impact. Speed, Mr. Beast. Yeah, I was about to say the case he nice. It has to be on there. I love Casey. But he's not for me. Okay. I love Casey.

It's got to be a vlogger. You were David Doverberg. Smosh. Smosh. Yeah. That's a good one. Smosh. For sure. Yeah. Maybe. Yeah, maybe. Yeah, maybe. Maybe just not, not only not because like, it seems like those like OG V1 YouTubers kind of like gave up or something. Like there's an argument for like Jenna Marbles in there. Mm hmm. You know, but I don't, I don't know because I don't know if there's still going like Smosh is still going and like Anthony and Ian,

you'll see him pop up here and there. It's hard to pivot after a certain time. Enough. It's really just mentally draining to keep it going for 10 years, boss and your audience grows up and it's hard to get you to kind of bring that same thing. Yeah. You got to adapt. Yeah. I don't, I don't even know. But there's an argument for Roman atwood. Even, I would say, I would, I would low key say there's an argument for Mark Rober as well. Yeah. That's a good point. Like Bro Mark makes

“some bangers that are really unique, bro. When I think those squirrels going to do it,”

of course. I was like, who the fuck is doing this? Yeah. I'll say Mark. Yeah. Mark. Mark Smosh, Mr. Beast and Speed. Yeah. I've called who had better vlogs. You were David Derrick. Overall, David. In the COVID era. Me. Who's most, okay. I was going to say my, I'm proud of my COVID era vlogs. These are good. Thanks. Yeah. Those are fun. Who's the most famous person in your phone? Probably probably the rock or Kevin Hart. Do you text him frequently or not? Not frequently.

I don't want to bother them. Yeah. Probably like, why is Logan never tell you? He must

know why he had an or or or or or Tom Brady. Who's very resistant and and just a great guy. He's awesome. What? That's wild. One's last time you were in a grocery store. Probably a couple months ago. We took estimate of the grocery store. You can't go to grocery stores. Yeah. I go to grocery stores. Yeah. Because my wife likes to shop and she's she's a pretty good cook and we found out like we're taking advantage of the section where you can put the baby so they face you when you push the car. When

you have a kid, it's it's it's different because they're having so much fun. They're sitting there.

“You give them something to play with. What's the most you've ever spent on a first day on a first day?”

Oh, man. I don't know. Probably nothing crazy because I like maybe just like a nice dinner or something because I because I do think like I think there's something to be said about

providing too much monetary value on like a first date. Like of a girl knows you have money.

You got to expect that like how can we know what her intentions are? So if you go to like McDonald's or something and they're still cool with it, like it's kind of a plus because I don't know maybe they can just like kick around and have a fun time without having to go to like a five-star restaurant, the owner. Who's the smartest person you know? Probably my partner in prime. Are you still going to run for president at 35? I think I've kind of changed my tune on that at the moment.

“I think about it here and there and like people aren't listening to this and probably”

think it's ridiculous, but I think like both my brother and I have proven and just the world itself has proven that like kind of anything can happen and if you have the drive and like where we're all to pursue something, I think I could definitely make a good run at president. The issues that I'm having right now with that is one. I feel like it's a really hard job. I feel like it's really difficult and a lot of energy and work. I have a bit of an energy

problem. Like I started this podcast saying I'm always tired. Like I get tired. Like I'd like to

sleep eight to nine hours a night. I don't think a president can do that. We'll see what happens. Moreover, the other thing I'm running into is that I think at least now my ego would have a tough time serving people at least 50% of people who hate you. You know that, right? Like your president half of the country hates you. If you're lucky 25 to 30% of them. And trying to actively

I'm going to happen. We totally have drones this big bro and they can just mosquito fly a drone from

50 miles away into your head. Have you seen this China? Yeah, bro. There's a crow presence. They're going to have to give speeches in drone proof bunker glass. It's little boxes. It's going

“to be horrible. But like, yeah, I think like I would have a problem knowing I'm giving. I'm giving”

my all to try to make this country and it's people the best that we possibly can. And half of them want you to die and do not agree with your position. That's tough. That's that's tough, bro. Eventually, I think we're going to have an AI president. One, one, yeah, thousand percent. And if the president is AI is not AI, they will be told exactly what to do and say by AI. Yeah, bro, that's not what they're saying. It's it is 100% in everything he's just to be automated.

100%. Yeah, bro, they're going to be able to do the job better than anyone. What's your most insecure physical feature? It used to be my acne. I had very bad acne. And then it used to be, I think, probably like my hair, like my hairline. But like, I think I've just gone through enough and like accomplish enough and made enough money to like stop giving a like, bro, I look how I look. Or maybe it's just being 30 years old. Like,

I look how I look. This is the best I got, bro. Like what, what can I do? Are you happier than the

“average person? I think so. Yeah. What's the most you've made in a single day?”

It's, it was the other day. It was the Pokemon experiment. Well, beyond that. No, no, not that. But, but, but that's kind of tough because none of these things are like none of these things. Yeah, it was a big build-up. Yeah, they have massive build-ups. Yeah. Everyone knows I made, I made, I made, I made, I made, I made, I made, I made,

I made, I made, I made, I made three million hours and three days. We made a million a day, which was, insane. But like, but like, are you talking about like, get a check cut to you on this day? I mean, Floyd Mayweather? No, I didn't make as much one as you'd think, right? Did you get, did you get paid from that? He still has me a million and a half.

Maybe more. How does he owe you the money? Why don't you just like, here's what happened.

“He pre-sold the fight using my likeness to some company and I think do buy or like the Middle East.”

This is my understanding of it for ten million dollars cash. We ended up doing the fight in the States with a different company. That is the company that put on the fight, that is the company that paid. But he sold our fight with my name in likeness to someone else in Dubai for ten million dollars cash. It's our fight, bro. Our deal is 15%. It's smoked me. So I got 15% of it,

15% of it, ten million dollars is one point five million dollars. That company that paid him that money is suing him. I actually don't know the status on that lawsuit that I should check in because he's supposed to be money. But he has a bunch of legal trouble at the moment that I don't, I don't think I'm ever getting money. He just sold this house in Vegas. He's really, yeah. I think he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's. Rinst on that house. He's

started at $14 million dollars. He custom built the house by the way. Like 2006. Yeah.

Started at 14, reduced to 12. Yeah. 10, eight came on the market. And I was, it was a lot of house for eight. Yeah. For six point six. Oh, he really got, just the cost to build that house was nine or 10. Whoa. He got rinsed. Yeah. Got it. It's huge. Got it. Who would win in a fight? You or 100 grams? Probably a hundred grams. A lot of grams. It's a lot of people, bro. It's like, it's like the one silverback versus a hundred guys. Yeah. Silverback doesn't tend to chance. So it's been

actually a hundred grams. A lot of crashes. I could probably take that. Yeah. I wanted to take out, bro, no joke. I could probably take out between four and eight of you. I'm sorry. That's so impressive. Do you feel offended by that at all? No. I, what exactly? I think it's probably true. But he would be nine. He'd have two people on each one. Yeah, exactly. And you like, you'd be sitting down one on your head. Yeah. I can only give so many one shots. Yeah. I would have to be

really fluid with my motion, no wasted movement, not a single percentage of wasted movement. And one shot him, just jaw body, jaw body. There's no way we surround you. There's a, you would throw a shot. Then what I would do in a surrounding situation is break the wall in one portion. I'd have to, I'd have to break the wall then fight from behind. I can't allow my son to get flanked. Yeah. I cannot get flanked. You, you guys would smoke me though.

coming on this video and social media? I can't believe you would sit down with this.

“You're so funny, dude. I get all the hate. Jack gets nothing. Oh, it's anything.”

I mean, I do get hate for your guys. It's, but no, it's never Jack. It's always like a

can't believe Graham would do this. It's 50 50 Jack and I. Jack gets off clean. I say Jack is the best thing because we split this 50 50 but I get 99% of the hate. 99% of the backlash is me, even though we're 50 50. That's fascinating. Well, he has a huge personal brand outside of the ice coffee hour. Okay. Yeah. So that's, that's all. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. But I just get to say,

“I'm just an assistant. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's something as bad. I'm just listening. Yeah.”

Are you prepared, bro? Like is it going to be that bad? I don't think it's going to be, I don't know.

People are going to be like, why didn't you ask these certain questions? To me, at the end of the day, it does not matter. Like as much as I do love making great money and running this business, this podcast, the objective of the podcast is to not make as much money as possible. That is not it. The objective of the podcast is to scratch the curiosity each that, you know, we've had for so long.

“To talk to people that we want to talk to you. For me, that's all I could ever ask for. So,”

look, if we could hate, so be it. That's fine. I try not to be bothered by it. You know, being online for as long as we have like at a certain point like you said, hate will just be a byproduct of being online. So, and Grant said, yeah, Jack doesn't get any. I do get hate sometimes. Don't discount me. That's a little bit of hate right there. No, but to me, it stopped bothering me for the most part. Once I saw just like how ridiculous it is. Yeah. It gets, it gets crazy, bro.

Final question. Okay. Who had the best verse in it's everyday, bro? Yeah, had to be net cropped in. So I'm saying all these years. I agree with you. That is what I have been saying all these years. Yeah. Okay, boys. Hello, thank you. Thank you so much for coming on the ice. Thank you guys. This means the world to us. Thank you guys all for watching. flew all the way to Puerto Rico to make this happen. He invited us into his home.

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