“They Offered Me $1,000,000!” JasonTheWeen on Leaving FaZe, MrBeast Rumors & Spending Everything

Yeah, I was. And what happened? Things change. Sometimes more money equals more problems. Jimmy, welcome to the May best.

“Yes, I think I've had a better one before.”

Did you always know that you're going to be successful?

Yeah, honestly, I was just really obsessed with making it as a streamer. When streaming, you always got to keep your head afloat, right? You always got to stay on top of a game and be obsessed to be successful. I'm streaming not to make money, but to entertain. What's your least favorite part of your job?

Oh my, the drama is insane. What happened to face? So there's a lot I can't speak about, um, but I'll say this. Jason, the we in thank you so much for coming on the ice coffee hours. I appreciate you for having me.

From ready to answer some questions or whatever you've got for me. Okay, so you're fascinating because you kind of played up to be somewhat of a full online, but I think you're incredibly strategic and maybe even a content genius. In fact, one of the things that was a big part of your brand was debating whether or not you should drop out of college.

“For a long time, how much were you making as a college student?”

Before I even went into my content journey, I was doing a lot of like NFTs in like

crypto that type of stuff because I was always trying to make money quick in a way.

Like my mindset was always like, my parents are getting old. I got to make money fast, like, and to me that was like the internet or online businesses. And I would like bought shoes. I was like a scalper. I was one of those.

No way. Yeah, I was super spying. I was funny, like, um, whatever was on the Supreme Drop or Dunks, whatever was literally popular. I was I was a big shoehead at the time, but really making money doing that.

Yeah, I was, I was profiting to make it. I was buying like easy boots. I was literally just like scalping. What I was like in a discord call hidden NFT and they would, they were like ping me.

Oh, there's a drop on this day, uh, and then, and then it slowly became like an NFT.

Discrow up mint NFTs and flip 'em and hold 'em. What's the most you made? I made well over six figures. No, in the way before content. Before content was like 1617 and I made over six figures.

And ETH was at like four or five K. Oh, no, four K, I think. And I was borrowing out. I was feeling good, but then ETH went all the way down to one K and the NFTs died and that I kind of just held. So what, how you see lost all the profit?

No, I put most of it into Solana now. Like, oh my my, I don't really do crypto anymore at all. All my money's in Solana, but I had like this gambling phase with my, uh, with my streams. And I was just bet on NBA playoff games and I lost a lot of my ETH doing that. So do not gamble.

So this was before content though. You were already making pretty good money online doing like the NFTs and stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but the, but the gambling part was when that was when you were streaming. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

“So then what did you ball out on once you made all of this money on crypto and NFTs?”

Um, I didn't buy anything. Because I didn't understand like, I mean, I would literally go on this website. Actually, and it was called bit refill. And I would redeem credit cards or gift cards and buy like clothes and shit. I really wouldn't buy anything.

What does that even mean? Where is it? It didn't refill. It's like, you, you, um, pay for gift cards and crypto. And it'd be like door to ash over each of those scents.

It literally sounds like you were either getting scammed or you were scamming someone. But that just sounds like I don't know what it is, but it sounds like getting scammed somewhere. That's not all, but you could look at the website. Okay, I think it's still around. That's hilarious.

Yeah, I was just like, in my friend put me on. I wasn't even that like smart in that feud. I would literally follow the discord. And then it worked. It worked. Yeah.

It literally sounds like you're just existing. And then some guys like, man, come check out this way to make a lot of money and do that. Okay, my friend for the image was, just put me on. I was like, yo, I seen him doing NFC isn't he said. And he told me, make a MetaMass wallet.

And he sent me $300 in eath. And then I just ran that up. It's, it's actually kind of crazy. I want to put $300 into $100,000.

It was crazy.

Where is your friend now?

Um, he's actually in Puerto Rico. Where a fool Chromehars live in the crypto millionaire life. I'm sorry. He made it. He made it.

What is it? Where did he make all of his money? Crypto. I mean coins. Just buy in the right ones.

Yeah, flipping them. I don't know what he's doing now. It's crazy how many influences content creators. What do you want to call them? Make a lot of money and crypto before they do their YouTube stuff.

Because even Togey, we were talking to him in high school.

He had made close to like a million dollars in pay pay coin.

Wow. Like he literally just hail married into pay pay. That's crazy. What if you want to help him? How do you want to pronounce it?

And he made close to a million dollars. And then, of course, he spent it all. Say, I gambled all my way. So, so why not drop out of college? Well, uh, on first generation, my parents were super old,

for additional Asian parents, and I'm sure y'all here to stereotype. It's like, go to school, be a doctor, be a lawyer, be this, be that. And I was really more scared of disappointing them. So, I was waiting until like, because they didn't even, like when I said, I made this in crypto.

They don't believe in crypto money.

“And I think it's like fake money in a way.”

And that it's like, I know go down all the way down the next day. And like, it's not real money. So, I didn't drop out because of that. And I was managing it at the time. Like, I was a business student, you know.

So, it wasn't that hard. And I would also cheat. Did your parents know you cheated? No, no, no. But I, I managed, they know now.

They know now that I managed school, streaming. And I was in a relationship at the time. It was, it was, I was getting like four hours sleeves horrible. But I was so obsessed with streaming. I just had fun doing it.

And yeah, I dropped out when I finally did the first face up with on. I'm facing one, unfortunately. But first face up with on. I told my parents, there's a UCLA program online program out there. And I got to move out there for a month.

And they believed me. So, if you, I don't know what to step up on. Yes, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, every night for 30 days. Well, it was Captain 30 days, but yeah.

“Where you worry that they would see you online and like, wait a second, he's supposed to be in the UCLA program. Why is the online chronically 15 hours a day?”

I was, but I just told him like everything, all the schoolwork was online. So I did it online and I, and then I screamed. So, I mean, to me, like, I just think, okay, well, your parents have friends, their friends have kids, the kids see you online. And like somehow the information is going to get to them.

They saw me, they saw me, but I would always tell them like, they, they would literally,

school project. They, they would literally call me on shroom and they'd be like, did you do your homework yet? I mean, like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, in my homework, but at this time, I already like draw. Okay, so I'm curious with streaming, how much were you making as a streamer while in college? While in college, I was probably making, not a crazy amount. Like, I mean, this is good, but compared to what I make now, obviously, it's, I was making like,

five to 10k. Okay, my favorite. Okay, then that's, I mean, that's still really strong. That's still really good, but I think I could have managed college at the same time. So, what do you tell your parents in terms of what you do? How do you explain this to them? Um, I literally say that I just like, make videos, dumb videos on internet and for the longest time, even my cousin who was, you know, there's always that golden boy in the family. And when it comes to like Asian parents,

she's like, oh, you got to grow up and be like him, right? And that was my cousin. And my cousin had told me, stop making TikTok, stop doing all this, your digital footprint, that it was, it was, um, it was bad. And I was like, a lot of the times he motivated because if I didn't have support, but I just, I don't know, I just have fun doing it and I just kept going. Does any part of you wish that you didn't come up in the way that you did on TikTok? Because I remember,

I was seeing your TikToks. Like, before I even saw your streaming or anything, and it was like, these, like, like, I don't even know how to describe it, like cringe-bait sort of stuff. And, uh, and that's still exists online. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, digital footprint.

“Yeah, that's why I just put, I did footprint as pretty cooked, but listen, um, honestly, no,”

because that to me was funny. And I liked, I don't, I don't mind being about a joke at all. And he got me to wear a mat today. So, you know, I'll do it over here and if I need to,

And what did your cousin do by the way? They're like, you got to be like your cousin. Oh, my cousin was like a computer engineer. Okay. So, he was successful.

“I think we're for Charles Schwab. Okay. So, good. We like Charles Schwab. Shout out to my cousin,”

but in my parents, it's like, you know, success to them. It was like a steady income every single year, and a good office job or doctor, or literally any stereotypical Asian parent thing.

At what point were your parents fully unbored with what you're doing? So, after the first

sub-ethan that I did, which was September of 2020, 2020, 2020, 2020, 2020, 2014, after I went home, and I finally told them the truth after I bought them cars. So, it took a car. What's the car did you buy? I bought my mom like a 2020-85 Lexus, bought my dad, like a nice Ford truck, and I bought my aunt a Lexus SUV. It was like, you know, the typical Asian car. How did you afford that though,

if you're making $5 to $10,000 a month? No, no, no, first sub-ethan I made, this was like two, one and a half years into my streaming career. And it was the face of a thorn, first face sub-ethan, after I joined face, so I like, I kind of skipped the

“time line a bit. That month I made it around like $600,000, and you were, were you in college?”

Then? No. You were out of college. So, you made $600,000 in the first face sub-ethan?

Yeah. Yeah. It was a good month for me. Did you always know that you're going to be successful?

No. Honestly, I don't, like, for me, people like map out there next five years or whatever, but I really live day-by-day and, like, I plan for the year. I don't, I don't, like, look five years in the future, like, I want to do this in five years or ten years down the line. I don't want to do this in ten years. Like, I've focused on the present to me on this. That's my mindset. Do you think that that mentality is the one that served you to help you get to, like, where you're

at right now? Like, that is the main thing. Or like, what made you any different than other people that do the same thing? Um, yeah. Honestly, I was just really obsessed with being a streamer and making it as a streamer. And I just was every day after school or whatever it was, I would just plan, plan, plan, plan, and I would literally sacrifice times when my time with my friends, even family, and just think of ideas or I'd be streaming.

Of a lot of the people that we have on this podcast, we've noticed that hunger is kind of one of the main things that helps people be super successful. You don't even have to worry about motivation because you just want something so bad that it just seems like the obvious thing to do is to work on it. Where do you think your hunger came from? I mentioned this earlier. My parents, obviously. I mean, obviously, they're on the other side. Um, like, my dad had me when he was, like, late 40s.

Mom was like early 40s. So now my dad's like 70 years old and I'm 21. So in my mind, I was like, yo, I got to make money quick. So I can provide for them and buy them the things that would make them happy at a young age. So they don't, like, you know, they don't pass before I'm able to do those things. Um, so that was like my main motivator was my parents. So what was the first piece of content you posted online? I was trying to be a YouTuber. Those videos are lost. I don't know

where, where they exist online. They exist somewhere on the internet. If someone can find them, they might be private, it actually. But I was like, probably 13, 14, just making, I was just talking myself on YouTube or maybe it was musically or trillers. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. Who was the generation back then? Like, who would you watch? I would watch a lot of Ryan Higa, Oji YouTubers, Vanas, Ryskan. Yeah. And I would, I'd be early in the Twitch. I would watch like,

Raj Patel, L.O. Tyler one, L.O. Tyler one. Yeah. I would watch Greek God X. I really,

I was just like an internet kid. I was always on the internet because I was the only child. I

“don't know. I didn't really go outside on be honest. Do you remember the first time you went viral?”

Yes. It was on TikTok posted a video. It was COVID. I told my friend, we made a bet. I told my friend, bet you I can get a viral video before we get back to school next week. Obviously we didn't get it. Go back to school next week. But I made a TikTok. It was me at the

like saying Germany, linen, gel mean. So, it was just a dumb video. Yeah. I just popped off. It got like two million views and that don't me hit my brain. And I was like, oh, I got to keep going.

I got to keep going. And I just know how the cringy shit happened. And yeah, never stop.

What was the cringy as video you made? This video for poses. My chat knows about this. I went on like all fours and like I posed in like a dumb outfit. Got like three million views. Did you ever film a video that was too cringy? You couldn't post it. No, I posted every cringy shit.

“You did not. I went for cringy. Like that was my niche was cringy. That's what got the views for me.”

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I would, it just depends on the nine to five. If it's obviously like doctors, surgeons, way harder than streaming. But like fast food workers, I would say nine to five is easier.

Because you know what's streaming? You always gotta keep your head afloat, right? You always

gotta stay on top of the game. And if you're, if you're not sure, you gotta think about streaming. You gotta like be obsessed to be successful. But overall, I think streaming is definitely easier. I mean, I can make up. Thanks. So I'm going to, I'm going to be, I'm really saying streaming is

“harder than a nine to five. Really? You have to be a self-starter, self-motivated, consistent.”

You have to battle every single odd out there. You have to basically compete with tens of thousands of people every single day. That's a lot of jobs though. You have to be HR, editing, marketing, design, ideation. The only reason why people say streaming is easier than a nine to five is because you make a lot more money streaming. Like if streamers were not making the money they were making and you're just making like averaging comes people probably not be saying the same thing.

I mean, they just get it. It just depends on the nine to five. Like nine to five workers like someone that McDonald's, like, they don't really do that much. You know, shout to my burger flippers, but you know, I feel like me as a streamer. It's way harder than a burger flipper at McDonald's, right? But I don't even know. But I'm very obsessed. Like if I'm not streaming, I'm going to call my team talking about my future streams and I've been planning out a lot of big, I've been

always trying to think of the next big thing. Like walk us through an average day. Like what

time do you wake up? How long do you stream? When do you come up with ideas? Do you ever just like wake up one day and like this? I just don't feel like doing this? No, I mean, I've been burnt out before, but I always push through, like, I don't know. I think the obsession just pushes me through. But average day of Jason and ween, I wake up around like 10. Ideally, I would go to the gym now. I'm off fitness arc. Go to the gym. And then I would go to the ex-phase house and I would just

stream. And then after stream, I would hop on a call with my team who consists of my creative, my tech person, woes, my creative, sticky, and my also my editor and my assistant Lou. And we just

and then I'd go and then I'd just go to sleep and then repeat really, that's my schedule, nothing, nothing crazy. I don't really go out at all. And unless I'm traveling, that's basically my life.

How do you keep the streams fresh though and interesting? Because I feel like you always have to

live like one up it. With streaming, you've got to have a balance of like desktop with your community and keep your accords tight. But also try to think of the next big thing to cater to

“the bigger audience. So in these meetings is what I'm talking about like, oh, tomorrow, what am I doing?”

And next week, what am I doing? I've been planning this seven day stranded idea where I'm put on an island by myself, right? And as a streamer, I mean, look at me. I'm not a survival expert, right? I got to survive seven days straight on an island with minimal gear. And I spent over like

270,000 dollars on this idea because it's just straight production, no cameraman, just me,

survive. What do you spend 270,000 dollars on? I have the PDF. It's just the production crew 24 hour medical assistance. In just in case I get bit by anything crazy, hopefully not or eat something done. And the island itself, where do you rent an island? I had my team look for me. But there's a lot of options. Do you keep it really? To rent the whole, no edge thing, you can literally get any island in the world if you have enough money. But my island is around like 100 feet, 125 for a week or a week.

Yeah. Is there anything on the island like bathrooms or like a hut or just like a straight

“island? It's pretty like tropical, not really any civilization. So what are you going to get food?”

How are you going to get food water? Like, I got to climb coconut trees. I'm living off coconut. So you scouted out the island and make sure there's like a food on the island. My could survive. Yeah, woes, my tech guy, my production guy. He actually was just on the island yesterday, checked it out, scoped out to area. Like, oh, the camera's going to be right here. Camera's going to be right here. And I'm trying to create like a chat box, a literal box where I can

go in and read the chat for. Shout to that and test not how to feel. I'm an Euro Pomona of Shopify.org. A minimal amount. I don't know. I'm still working out. The idea is the creative.

“You know what I think you should do? I liked Ryan Trayhand where if someone donate like 50k”

something happens. It's like a punishment. Oh yeah, that old punishment. I would like to see. Yeah, I would like to see if someone gives you like 10k or 20k or 50k. Like a certain dollar amount. Well, like something happens to you where you have to spend like another day on the island. Like it's like 50k and you spend another day on the island. Seven days or like, oh, maybe it's a 100k but it's got to be an amount where like you spend

another day on the island or like you get your coconuts taken away or like something like no water or 24 hours. Something crazy struggling. So the crazy or you can't sleep. Like you already have to be up like all night. I was told there's sand fleas. I was told the bug situation is crazy and I was talking to Mr. Beast about this. Yeah, he's done the seven days

on the island, done the deserted island videos. And he said it was the first video he ever

had to leave and redo because of the bugs. Yeah, last the two days on the island and he was like, I can't do the same one yet. How are you going to fight the bugs then? Bugs pray mental fortitude. I don't think it. I don't think it's fair to go to an island with Bugs pray. Like that seems to me that's the seed. Grim, good luck. Surviving 20 minutes on an island. Yeah, you but I like doing it. Yeah, but either my idea cannot survive in a room that's under

68 degrees. Like you're going to be like, oh, yeah, you can't survive with Bugs pray on an island. That's just crazy. He's already going to be like hungry thirsty. Yeah, I'm kidding. But I do have I'm trying to implement this idea. I might partner with a charity where like, oh, if I wish this

some type of loot in the care package. What other ideas have you had like this that maybe you've decided it is too far? I went skydiving. I mean, that's not bad though. It wasn't that bad. That was pretty clear. Like, would you ever bury yourself alive or do anything crazy like that? Like, two, that's who I wouldn't do that now. So props to Mr. Bechford over there. I can, that is terrible. What about like fear factor where you're eating insects? Oh, I've done that. That wasn't that bad.

“What have you eaten? Um, crickets live? No, live. I've been live octopus. What was that like?”

It was disgusting. Where like in Korea. It was like, it's quarter in my mouth. They was horrible.

Never go again. Yeah. When I swallowed, the tentacles were like still moving. So why did you do that,

though? I'm a dumb streamer. How much was it? I wasn't that much. Did you feel bad for the octopus? No. Because they're pretty smart, you know. Yeah. They say the intelligence of an octopus is like a fifth grader. Really? Yeah. Stay. I did not. No, actually. Maybe I say that you have not true. It is. Look it up. What do you even talk? You look it up. A fifth grader 11 year old kid. The octopus is as smart as 11 year old kid. Oh, he's good. Dude, you, what 11 year old kid are you talking about? Because I hope it's not my son.

I don't have a son, but if I eventually have a second grade. Okay. Okay. That's wonderful. Oh, wow. Overall cognitive level is H is five to seven. Where they're advanced. There are

skills that look like third to fifth grade plus sometimes better than adult humans. And that's

problem solving puzzles learning by watching others tools and spatial reasoning. Well, he's he's in my stomach. So, he must have been doing something wrong. Yeah. Okay. So technically a second grader. You ate a second grader. I don't know if I want to put it like that.

“That's crazy. Wow. I still don't necessarily buy it, but octopus are very smart. And that's why I've”

stopped eating octopus. Really? Yeah, because apparently they're very receptive to pain. No. And when you kill these things, like they actually seem to show awareness of what's happening to him. Oh, I can't remember if you'll get it. It's true. Dude, I know. I'm just saying now when when I see octopus on the menu, I don't eat it anymore because I've seen these these whole experiments showing like how they think and how they understand. And there's like all these things with an octopus

where I feel like that's too smart. Like if it's a dumb thing where it doesn't like like, you know, like a jellyfish, there's no brain or anything like that. It's just, it just sells. So I could rationalize eating a jellyfish, but octopus just knows what's going on a little too much. Do you feel bad

now? I feel horrible. I ate a second grader. As I from Octopi and squid, now that you're traumatized,

you're trauma in regards to your work. What is the most mentally exhausting part of being a streamer? Uh, I think it was streaming and concentrating in general. Uh, it's ups, downs, and you know, it's a lot of downs and when you're at the downs, like, oh, when I do wrong, like, it's a lot of self-doubt, right? And it's like, you got people telling you, oh, you fell off in all these things, but it's like one month, right? And you know, it could be January, it could be December,

we have a bad month, but as long as the trajectory is up at the end of the year, then you're doing fine, right? And every content creator goes through the same thing, um, and it's mentally taxing, right? You get burnt out when you don't see the results that you want, but as long as you're consistent and you keep going and you keep moving forward and thinking of new ideas, you will as a content creator be, okay? What's your least favorite part of your job? People on the internet that judge you and

try to micro-manage your life, like, oh, I see you treat this, but you're girlfriend, like, this on

“on stream, like, there's no way you deserve her, like, you should be buying her more flowers or”

wearing it. It's just trying like pair social people, two pair social, it's creepy and weird. If you, as a viewer, think you can read between the lines, I would say 99% of the time you are incorrect. You know, like, I would just take most of what influencers tell you, or YouTube is whatever you want to call them at face value, with a healthy level of skepticism,

Yeah, I mean, I think those people should put their, put that time into, like, a job. What do you think is the biggest thing they've gotten wrong? They need to get a job. They need to get a job. Yeah, streamers as you've got to get a job, guys. What's the size of a fan?

“Sorry for the slur. What's the biggest thing you think they've gotten wrong about stuff like that?”

Especially when my first relationship was very public, they would just say that she's cheating.

I mean, exactly like to go to, especially to which cultures, like, oh, you're girlfriend's cheating on you because she handled what a guy went on. What's it like having your relationships just so public out there? Yeah, I mean, right now, it's very public, but especially in the beginning when things were first starting out, it was way more public and had advice from QD and Ludwig, and they've just said to keep it as private as possible. And obviously it's a public relationship

and people will know that we're dating, but I feel like now people don't really know what we do off the cameras and it's been a lot healthier and the less toxic online. So everyone is extremely invested in my dating life. Like, concerningly invested. Yes, I see the

comments. Yes, I've been on the dating apps and yes, I took a break. Eventually, I came to the

obvious conclusion that being on those dating apps and having the exact same boring conversation, and like, what do you do for work? What are you doing out here? Made me tired without even going on the date, which on the opposite end is exactly what I like about our sponsor, the league. It just feels way more intentional. I've used it before and the matches were consistently solid. You're not digging through hundreds of different profiles. You get a smaller filtered set every single day,

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a smarter way to spend your time. The league finds someone in yours applied today. Do you think streamers make more than YouTubers at this point? I was actually at Rogue's Phase Rose. Oh, I guess not Phase anymore, Rogue's house yesterday and he showed me his earnings. I'm not least earnings, but if you're average at his views, he's clearing me at least every month. So no.

“I think, Rogue, his lifetime earnings on YouTube, my guess, has got to be over 40 million.”

Yeah, yeah, I would say I would say close to 50 million is what I was thinking to be a little bit

higher, but like between 40 and 60. He is, in my opinion, one of the smartest, most financially responsible YouTubers with one of the best careers, the best work ethic, good investments, solid foundation, and he's just smart with it. Like when it comes to anything financial, I would trust him. Oh, 100%. He has a whole real estate business. Yeah. And not a lot of people know about, right? Yeah, he's doing his day. And what advice does he give you? He's helped me with

public relationships, he just says to keep it private. I mean, I think he wants people to say that, but financially, I have a conversation. You know, I ask about money advice, like he'd be the first one, I'd be like, you know, Rogue, what do I do with this money? Like, where do I put? I think he would just tell me to invest in a property. And as basic as it sounds that has made him an abundant amount of money, he's told me, and I'm like, just shocked. So definitely want to get more

in a property this year. Rogue, if you're watching this, where huge fans come in the pot, love to have you on that. We'll drive down to you. We were just in San Diego. That's where. Yeah. Anyways, I love you, Rob. But who, who would you say you most take inspiration from all I know? Like, who, who's your mentor? Now, I think I take a lot of inspiration from, like, big streamers around me. You know, like, it could be around me or like, high speed or even people that I live with,

like, you had a much podcast, a staple in auto, Lacey, Marlin, a dad. Okay, literally, just people around me, I take inspiration. I see their worth, I think. And it wants, but also motivates me. It's like friendly

makes me want to do the same. All right. We all the same goal of trying to be the best. And that moment is about motivates me. And I'm sure it motivates them. What was the appeal of joining phase client? Like, how did they reach out to you? What was that? Like, I was friends with Stable Nato, who was at the time, wasn't phase. Obviously, that whole thing happened. And none of us earned phase anymore. But yeah, he was in phase and I developed a relationship with him online.

We just playing games on stream. We met through a Twitch chat. And we just called and just

core play games. And we got closer. I visited LA. I met him for the first time with his some

IRL streams out here in LA. And yeah, I'm in our first show and we went to Venice Beach and eight edibles. I was super stupid. And yeah, I just became close friends with Stable Nato. And he pitched me two phase. And when they were launching the new phase, I was a part of it.

“And when did things start to get a little more serious between you and around?”

Like, serious as in life. Like, when did you guys go? Oh, let me let me. I'm sorry. I could not. I could not. But when did you take it to the next step? Like, when did you run, make it official? Yeah. What would mean, of course, you live? It would close her friends. Yeah, all guys become really close. I don't know. We got some people deeming us some stuff. But now we don't need to get into it. Okay, so Stoe. But you just made it seem like, yeah,

we started talking online. And then I, you know, and I think we met up at first and I did a better thing. Yeah, really well. We kind of hung out, you know. We're going to put some romantic music behind this. Oh, man. You were funny. But when did things get serious with you and around? Close her friends. Okay. I guess when we first moved into the first phase LA house, when we lived together, we just naturally talked more and hold the shit.

“Are you, are you figuring something out about yourself right now?”

Oh, maybe we have both of our girlfriends, but there might be some going on. No, I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. But yeah, that LA house, me and all the guys, we got closer. She's Christ. Okay. But yeah, that house. That's awesome. How does the business with phase work? Is it like they would take up our standard of earnings or do they give you deals? I was in it for you to join phase. Why did you? I didn't have, they didn't give us like anything

money-wise, but like they would pay for production and rent in return and we would do just group

sponsors and things like that. But yeah, just be the idea of a concert house was always like one of my

dreams. Like you could probably find a clip of me somewhere where I'm back in Arlington, Texas, literally talking about, "Oh, I want to make a group with my friends, let's leave my dream, just make content together, like the side men or these content groups, where you literally just hang out with your friends and record videos, that's literally the dream." And here in the LA phase house, I was like, "I'm down. I'm down. This sounds exciting. This sounds new. It's fresh. It's doing it."

How much of an impact did that happen your career? It had a huge impact. I moved into LA and just meeting all these people. It was huge. And when I first moved out to LA, we all started to IRL-stream a lot more. And I would argue that we popularized IRL-streaming literally just go to in and out and play basketball, just as a group and just have fun. Would you ever join another content house? No. Right now, I live in a concert house, but there's no name behind it. It's just

“me, Ron. They see so key, adapt and more than. And what content houses were actually successful?”

Like, very few of stood the test of time. I mean, you have Sidemen, which is not even a content house, but like they, you know, that sounds like a group, I say, Simon, the Beta Squad, the Bob House. They're printing. They are printing. I think so fear-rain, so fear-rain, so fear-rain. Just did a

$100 million. She just finally cleared $100 million of earnings. Thank you. I should

saw Twitter posts today saying she makes more than LeBron James in a year. She works pretty hard. I actually think she must be somewhat of a genius in order to be making the money,

that's effort to bait. But in order to actually go and be that productive, economically productive,

“there has to be some earth. She's had the right people around her, you know?”

Yeah, I feel like she's harder working than LeBron James. I'm joking. No, I don't think she's harder working on LeBron James. What happened to phase? So, there's a lot I can't speak about.

But I'll say this. The business side, we as a group, we were always aligned. We always wanted

to make content together. And we were happy to be in the same house together, making content. But on the business side of things, we just always had our differences. And sometimes we would never align. And that problem just never went away. And it was like a breakup. It was better if we both just split both. It just seemed so sudden, because when we had, you know, stable on things were seeming to be on the up and up. And that was like two months ago. And then it just seemed like

it was a buildup. But a lot of it, we didn't talk about obviously because we were in phase up. Yeah, we just over time just realized like things were never going to work out on the business side of things. And what's it like now being out of that and like having to pay rent? Because I said that one clip of it. Who was it? Who's talking about like having to pay like 17k rent? I was lazy. It was lazy. That's a bit of an over exaggeration. It was like 15k rent. It's like 11k.

With utilities. Yeah. 17. Yeah. I mean, it's first time I'm paying rent. So how much is rent?

It's like 12. You pay 12,000 dollars a month? Yeah. In rent. Which is pretty. Holy shit. It's a lot. Yeah, that's a lot. Do you split that with anybody? Or that's just like that's just not a portion. No, the house is like split in between six people. So it's 12k per person. Holy shit. 12,000. 72,000 dollars a month. You look at taking on the house? Yeah. Holy shit. That's a big house. Yeah. Are they over huge house? Are they over charging you? Because they see like six dudes and

the guys just like, hey, I'm not going to rent you. But if I get 72,000 a month, sure, I have no idea because phase actually picked the house and they're like, yo, this is the, this is a new phase house. So we didn't really have a say in picking. Oh, it's, it's that house. It's the, yeah. So the old offline TV house. Oh, it's not worth that. Really? Yeah. He was in real estate. That was this thing. You're in LA. Yeah. I was in LA. Yes. There's in real estate. I'm familiar with that property.

Decent location, you know, but that to me. To me, I don't think it's worth more than 45,000 a month. Which sounds crazy to say, but when you look at the caring cost of that house and the property taxes of the house and how much of they're trying to sell that house before in the past, that in my opinion is what it's worth. Wow. That's, that's, but listen, it's a great house and listen, if you spend 7,000 or 12,000 and it's not going to make that big of a difference in your life. You got a great house.

Yeah. It's a good house, but I think we're moving out soon. And is everyone going to get their own place? Um, that conversation has not been said yet. I think we all want to stick as a group. And I don't know if we might create something new. Don't know yet. It's phase claim completely over. I think on the, on the content side of things, yes, but they still have a how a whole that e-sports thing, which is doing it. That's crazy because they bought it back, right? Mm. Yeah.

“But literally everyone left like a gap left. That's how you know what's over.”

I chit to me. It sounds suspicious. Like, and especially how people are saying, yeah, I can't get into some details of it. Then it's like, okay, there probably is something more than just like a line item business thing. Or it's like, oh, yeah, like we couldn't come to terms on this percent. And then this costs this profit, how are we splitting it? It seems like there was something else. Just from an outsider's perspective. And I feel like most people are probably thinking the same thing.

A lot. I can't speak about it. No, on the internet. No, on the internet. Fair enough. Yeah. I've curious though, through all of this, what's the craziest money opportunity that you've been offered? I've been offered kicked deals before, but I didn't take them because I don't think

it's worth it. But what are they offering you? Like, million dollar deals. I didn't really

look into it. My manager just told me. So your manager came to you and said, I have a million

“dollar deal for you to stream on kicking. Like, I'm not even looking at it. Honestly, I don't remember.”

It was a while back. It was like way before, even phase. I don't remember. So then those numbers

considered it. But if I took it, I would definitely not be where I'm at today because I feel like

“it's hard to grow on that platform for sure. I don't think the platform like the mobile app”

to his ass. Like, I don't know. Yeah. But being a part of phase, phases thing I feel like is being so well-connected. Like, I saw on someone's stream or it was a clip or something. Lamello ball just like casually walking up to the phasehouse. Yeah. That's crazy. You guys contactless must be insane. I imagine their opportunities flooding your life. What would you say is like another crazy

opportunity just due to the network you have? I mean, moving out here alone, like I've met so many

cool people, so many cool careers. Literally, um, there's a piece of face timing me ran when I, at the day, like, that is surreal. Like, 15-year-old me will be freaking out, right? And yeah,

“I met so many cool people. I met Brownie James before, um, trying to think who us, yeah, I met Lamello”

ball. Who did you fangirl most over? Loki, when I was on my come up and like I was like a way smaller streamer when I go to TwitchCon. Every big stream I saw, I would literally start jumping up and down. Was there one moment in particular, you can think of? I remember I mean, it actually see. I mean, I actually see, you say my life. But I was also on camera so I was, you know, exaggerating it a bit, um, who was Mr. Beast. You know, um, my mind is drawing a blank. Who's the

most famous person in your contacts? Definitely Mr. Beast. Mr. Beast, yeah. You know, he's more followed now than Cristiano Ronaldo. That's on all social media accounts. Yeah. Yeah. Kind of,

“that's wild. Same. That's insane. I think he's going to be one of the most recognizable people in”

the world pretty soon. I think over the next 10 years. Yeah. But even more so because now he's expanding into like every country in the world, his videos are like in like 30 languages or more at this point. I saw a song. What he's doing is building an empire and he's actually gave pretty good advice to me about content creating and he's talked to me about his obsession for being number one

and just trying to create the best content and always one upping his last video. What did Mr. Beast

tell you? Just to stay consistent and be obsessed. Literally, I probably said that word maybe 30 times now. This video is to be obsessed with trying to be the best and be delusional to the point where it's not delusion. I take this advice from him to always invest back into your content. He said that he's lost money on videos before spent millions of dollars on content. And that's why I'm doing the island thing. Like I'm putting that's the most money I've ever put into my content.

I'm putting 300 of K almost onto this idea, filming trailers. Like I'm putting so much money into this. And, you know, I could bleed and not make any money at all and it could be horrible. It could go wrong. But, you know, I'm investing myself in hopefully things go well. I'm Dr. Christina Chen, a geriatrician at Mayo Clinic and host of Agent Ford, a podcast highlighting unique topics in geriatric medicine and the science of healthy aging. Helping all of us live longer

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I feel like the amount of virality, the potential there is crazy. If you just get like 40,000 subs, 50,000 extra subs, that's not what it's like. I feel like it's doable like that you could be overnight

I'm just going to go, I'm just trying to go even because I'm streaming not to make money but to

“make good content and entertain. What about Kaisanat? What did you learn from him?”

What do you think about him quitting YouTube as well? I think Kai, Great Schumer, Great YouTubeer, definitely made a lot more mainstream, especially in the U.S. He pushed the limits of Schumer and made Schumer what it is now and it's inspirational. I'll tell you inspiration from him and what he's doing now. I think, you know, I think his path is pretty smart. I think he's a genius.

What he's doing, he's already basically completed streaming. He had a million subs,

did the Mafia on three. He had a million subs. I don't see him. What he's going to do now. I think in his mind, he completed streaming and now he found this new passion which is fashion and he wants to try and beat that boss. A million subs is crazy. I mean, if you're making $3 a sub, $3 50 cents a sub, you know, he could be pulling over $3 million. Oh, yeah. Just from guess he's been, he has to spend a fortune though. Not he spent a lot of money. Yeah.

My guess is he probably has 25 to 30% profit margins on that. Just a lot of money but my guess if he makes the re, he's probably spending about $2.2.5. Yeah. I just like main is having it. What was your incentive for doing this podcast is just more views to a different audience, more exposure online? Yeah, I would say that and also I've seen Steve Ronaldo do a seniorist clips as well and Ron doing it makes me more comfortable doing it. It's a huge compliment, honestly. Is that if

“we have someone on and they say like, hey, I had a great experience. You should do it too. Like that”

to me makes me feel so good. Everybody benefits and we feel great. No, that's amazing. Put like a good

piece of content out there. You might experience the same thing, but even for us, like we work super hard on our podcast on our YouTube on our work, but even then I'm like, how are this many people watching our show? You know, like I'm like, are we really that entertaining or can we provide that much value to viewers for them to want to tune in as regularly as they do? I don't know if you experience a similar thing. I mean, I think people watch y'all because y'all are smart and y'all

know how to articulate y'all's words and when they consume y'all's content, they learn something. People watch me because I'm just dumb and I do stupid shit on internet and it's like entertaining.

But there's a lot that could be learned from studying you. Maybe not like necessarily watching

your content itself, but like seeing you as a person and your development, you know, you'd be a really, you're really big inspiration to a lot of people. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I appreciate that. I think most people that realize all the work and thought that goes into creating content like this and capturing so many eyeballs and it's like, this is the new version of TV. Yeah, I think streaming is turning into reality TV. It is because all my the drama is insane. Right now,

I think streaming that streaming space has been really toxic. I'm going to be honest. See, no, you said it's similar to reality TV. Why has nobody come in there and just had a big house cameras everywhere. They're 24/7 and they just have people come in like five guys, five girls and one person gets voted out every week. And then they have to like substitute someone new in it.

“But you could tune in any, yeah, but you could tune in at any time. I think someone has done that. Really?”

Yeah, I think, um, let me not 24/7, but like that concept and idea. Now, I want to be able to tune in at like one o'clock in the morning and just see the cameras and watch like the living room. And again, but you have these like personality matches that are either going to like clash, like I want fights to break out. I want like romantic relationships between the two and then you see like a DDG might have done that. He did like a, I forgot what it was called, but something similar that.

So I think it has been done. Yeah, is it? I mean, Sherman is the new reality TV. Yeah, it's it's created a very toxic environment, but I mean, it's still fun. What's so toxic about it? Just quite recently, it was a type breaking out with his girlfriend and then the girlfriend making a video talking about, oh, I didn't cheat. And I'm just, I'm just saying what I see on Twitter, right? And then, you know, we got everybody speaking on it because it's a hot topic and you know,

people want to farm drama. But see that's all it takes. I've noticed with Mr. B's too, people will

none of this is true. This is completely false. You're saying this just to get blown up on Twitter.

And then you get ad revenue from the company. Yeah, it's very annoying and it's weird because you can't really address it because then you put more attention to it. But then if you don't address it, like, oh my god, did he actually do it? Like, it's so it's like, what did it happen? Like, how are you misunderstood? Um, I don't remember exactly, but I don't like, like, sometimes Twitter captions, they can like twist your words or like, I could be walking past a homeless man and

the captions like Jason the Ween walks past homeless man and doesn't care for him or, you know,

just, oh wow. So whatever narrative they whatever they want to put it, it's annoying. It's very

annoying, but you can't really speak on it or you put more attention into it. It's a loose loose.

“But yeah, it's a game. Yeah. So how is your income broken down these days? Like, where is it all coming from?”

Um, well, I've switched YouTube. I don't have a brokerage. But yeah, it's switched YouTube TikTok Snapchat and that's literally all socials really. All right, we're going to guess how much money you're making on each and you're going to tell us if we're right each. Yeah, I like to each cause, well, we can do, we'll each and then total. Okay. Okay. Twitch, like, just by mutton, we're doing mutton monthly income. Twitch, how many subs do you ever know? I almost have about 20k. 20,000.

Okay. So do you have like, do you have like sponsor streams ever? Okay. I would guess off of Twitch. You're probably making like $1,000 and $1,000 a month. I'm going to say $120 with sponsors. YouTube, I would say you're probably making like 45, 45k a month. Do you have sponsors or no? Sometimes. I would say, yeah, 50k a month. 50. Yeah. Yeah. And then Snapchat. I have no idea how much

“Snapchat make. 30. I would say, yeah, maybe like 15 to 20 on Snapchat. And then what are we missing?”

Brokridge. That's just like depends on how much you got invested. Hey, talk. TikTok. TikTok can probably make like five grand a month. Seven. Maybe 10 at the moment. Unless if you have sponsors, then it could be, you know, infinitely, it's kind of 10 at the most. Yes. They're pretty accurate. They're just got scared. So, so how much are you making per month? Oh, I don't want to say that exact. Someone's going to add it up. But yeah, I mean, you could

add it up and really, if you don't want to math. But for Twitch, you said, oh, 110, 115. That's literally like pretty accurate. Let's go. YouTube, damn, they're on the dot. I was like, like 40, 40, 45. And then TikTok, I actually don't make money. I put all that money. It's just pay my attention. Yeah. Yeah, money. I just give them all the creative rewards,

“program, just give them all the money. Snapchat. I get 50% to my cameraman. So, honestly,”

sometimes weird, like you can literally take the money out whenever you want. So, I don't, I don't really know the month. Yeah. Okay. So, you're probably making right now like 200 grand ish or so per month before it does. It does. It depends on sponsor. Yeah. Good sponsor. And yeah. Yeah. What's the most you've made in 24 hours? 24 hours? I had a screen where I averaged like a hundred cave viewers. I probably made 30 to 40, 30 to 40 thousand dollars in 24 hours. Yeah.

And it was probably like a five-hour show, six-hour show. So, you were making like $5,000 an hour. Yeah. And that's true when I'm running good at my ads. So, that was a very blessed day. That's crazy. And what did you spend that money on? I don't really spend my money on anything crazy. Most of my money, I put back into my content or pay my employees and maybe buy clothes sometimes, but that's about it. Do you feel rich? I do. And I'm very blessed and I'm very

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kind of like, I'm very blessed to be able to do that. Is there a wake up at any time of day and just be okay? What income did you get to that point of feeling so comfortable? I would say like, probably when I started making like 20 or 30k a month, I was like just buying food. I felt like a lot of people echo that same amount where they're like 20 to 30k. It's like 300 grand or so a year after taxes, you know, depending on where you're living, could be if it's California,

maybe you have like 200 grand or so after taxes. And then after that, maybe 170. After that, you know, you have your rent payment, whatever you could have a really nice place. If I was paying rent at the time, so I was just like, 10k a month basically to just spend on whatever you want it, which is more than enough. I mean, it's hard to spend at amount of money. So did making that money solve the problems you thought it would solve? Sometimes more money equals more problems.

In your case? Yeah, I mean, especially with family like, you know, when your family sees you

“making all this money, they ask for money and they're like, "Yo, can you do this? Can you do that?”

Can you do this for your uncle and your very distinct cousin?" I'm like, you know, I don't really know them, right? But I'll do it because, you know, I'm in a position where I can. But, you know, and I guess that's a slippery slope, man. Yeah, once you start doing that and it becomes an expectation that they just start asking money. I don't do it because, you know, it's family, but sometimes I feel like, I don't know. Kevin O'Leary said it best. I think, which is,

he will always give someone 50 grand. If they need help with something and they need a lot of

money, he'll be like, "Okay, I'll give you $50,000." But you will never be able to ask me for money ever again. Yeah, this is your one chance. And I say, "Well, I promise you, I will only ever say no." Obviously, $50,000 is a lot. Kevin O'Leary is in a completely different financial position than all of us. Yeah, but it's interesting. It's like, "Yeah, I'll help you out once." And that's it. You know, because you don't want them to become reliant on you, which is clearly just objective fact,

The one thing also that we always talk about, Grandma and I, we discussed, like, in our

“card, random car rides, where we're going to an event or something. When we were going to beast”

from here, we were talking and we're like, "Okay, a lot of content creators are making, like, a common income is between $50,000 a month and $300,000 a month." Like a lot of people fall within that window, which is absurd income. Like they're making so much money. Yeah. The problem is they're very financially illiterate. And so when they make 100 grand, they think they have $100,000 a month to spend. And so they don't consider taxes. They live in probably California,

where taxes are very high. Their rent is really high. Their payments are high. Their payroll grows out of control. They start giving money away. They're frivolous with their money. And people assume that if you're making $50 to $300,000 a month, then you're a millionaire. Or you have $2,000 a month. $3,000 that money comes easily. But money takes a long time to save up post tax. Yeah. First of all. And so even if you say, "Oh, yeah, make it $200,000 a month,"

I would venture to say that you have less than $5,000. Yep. Like I would say, if I'm, if I'm pocketwalking, pocket watching to the max, even when you had that $600,000 month, and you've been making money since you were how old. Like good money.

1718. So like four years of earning absurd income, it's probably like 3 million bucks.

Maybe like if you're really smart with it, but it could be a million and a half. Yeah. I mean, that month where I made that 6,000 first, 600k first, that was like my first, like really, really good month. I told you I bought my Paris cars, and I did not take taxes in consideration at all. And literally, that money just disappeared. Because I just bought three cars. Like make a video about it. I did make a video about it. You write it off, maybe.

Yeah. But then they have to report it is income, which is actually better for you to lower their price lower without staying income tax. I mean, I mean, it's fully understanding at the time. You have an accountant who is telling you what to do or you just did it. Yeah. My account was like, you can't write it off unless you put the car under your name and they're like, your employees, like my, there might be some, there might be some rules with this of, of

gifting certain things to family or it was like, I see Steve will do it doing this all the time. And I'm thinking, how on earth is he writing this all the time? Is he writing it off if he's not? He's getting shafted so hard. He is paying so much money to the IRS to be able to get about these gifts. Yeah. Yeah. That month that all that 600k, kind of got depleted because I think all the cars were like, it was probably like 200k in total and then I used cars. Why

“nuke? Why not get a three year old car? Top of the line at that half the price. That's what I did”

for my Mayback. I bought a 2023. Then that because it's like 206 and instantly depreciate. How much did you pay for your Mayback? Payed like 230. 230. What's it worth now? No idea. One, it's, it's probably worth about one, 2130. Maybacks depreciate a lot. I know they maybacks. Ideally, you wanted like the old version one. No, no, no, you want like a 2018 right now. I think it's like a 42 S Mayback and you could find those in like the 60s and those are like the

cool long wheelbase. Those you won't lose a lot of money on the new ones. The DS class re-badged to Maybacks. You lose so much money on that. Yeah, no, I definitely. They look great too. Yeah, they look good and I got a series out of it Mayback Monday. Wow. Yeah, so the problem though that we see is that people could be making like I was saying absurd income. But unfortunately, social media is pretty fickle. Like it can come and go. It's not like you're building in most situations

a real business with a product that you're refining and you have like a demographic that you're able to market to and you can have ad spend and then have a return on your ad spend. And social

“media is something random can happen and an end your career like this. Yeah. And so that's why”

I always think, okay, if there's potentially a very limited window of making this amount of money,

it should be one of the main priorities to make sure you're saving up as much post tax income and building your investment base as possible. But I feel like most influencers do not see it that way. And so there's kind of just like a limited window to create generational wealth, but no one is capitalizing off that. And five to ten years maybe influencers will be replaced by AI. And then which probably won't happen, but let's just say they do some catastrophic event occurs.

And you know, they all have to work like normal jobs or the, you know, that's, I mean, even myself, I wouldn't say I'm like fully educated financially, like I don't really know,

I do have like a financial team and someone who manages my money and someone who does all that for me.

“So I can provide that to you. No, no, no, no. So you've found that on your own.”

Uh, my manager. Here's what I consider. I'd strongly consider moving to Miami,

moving to Florida. Get the zero state income to ask that. Then start saving 20% of your income. And you could reinvest or spend 80, but you take 20% gross and you stash that away and you just invest it. That's it. And I'd say if you could, and all you have to do is say, hey, I got to do this for five years. And after five years, I'm set set for life. I don't have to do this because to zero, it doesn't matter. That's it. If you were to do that after five years, you would be at the point right now.

You said 20 to $30,000 a month. You could get that passively or even after work anymore. And because you're so financially disciplined, you'd be able to have that. By the time you're 30, you would be, you would have such a stack of cash that would replace what you're able to earn today, working. And you could do that passively.

“But I think the thing was moving to Miami, content here is better. And that's why people fly here for content.”

Like LA, like everybody's out here in LA, and the networking opportunities is better out in LA. You could still come here and do some content, but your base would be in Miami's Exponson a day. That would be your domicile. The thing is, do you think you make 13% more money living here in Los Angeles than you would in Florida? No, I would definitely make way more money in Florida because that type like a, well, let's just say, right. Yeah, but if you pay 13, can you make 13% more money being here?

Like, is the opportunity 13% like I do make more money in LA. Yeah. But I would probably profit more living in my

Miami. So here's what I want you to do. I want you to ask your accountant, am I doing the salt cap work around for my taxes?

Just just that. Just ask that. Did they say salt cap work around? Yes. Okay. If they say, what's that? Fire them immediately because they're costing you hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. What does a salt? What does that? What this means is that you're able to prepay the state income tax through your LLC. And what that does, you're able to use that now as a right off against your federal income taxes. So if you pay just for round numbers here. If you pay $500,000 to the state of California,

if you don't do this, you pay that money and that money's gone. But if you do the salt cap work around, you pay it through your S corp, then that $500,000 acts like a deduction. And in a 37% tax bracket, that takes it down from $500,000 down at $300,000. She saved $200,000. And if they say, what is this, they have no idea what they're doing fire them, get someone else. If they say, oh yeah, we're doing that. We're doing that. If they say, oh yeah, we've already been doing that.

Then that means your 13% account for the state income tax is not as bad and it's manageable and you could justify it. Okay. So it's one thing to keep in mind. I still think Miami, you could do crazy good content there, especially like on the beach with the nightlife there, with every, it seems like everyone right now is like moving into Miami. Really? Yeah, it's a lot of things. What groups are you talking about? But yeah, a lot of people are moving into Miami. You could be the

change. You could be the change that brings everybody to Miami. I don't think people need a lot of convincing. No. Just hey, come to Miami with me for seven months. If you hate it, we move back. And if it sucks after a few months, we move back. Okay. That's it. Okay. But we just think in terms of like being financially disciplined because we see it as such a looming destructive problem for a lot of content creators that sometime down the road, they're going to like holy crap. My

views are down. AI people are replacing us. Something happened. I'm in a controversy that I didn't expect to be in. They did not save any post tax money. You know, and then they're going to go become a marketer for some company or some random. Yeah. I saw on a podcast you mentioned your frugal. Yeah, I was. What happened? Um, things change. Things change. I was like, like,

especially the most startup, like when I first started streaming, I mean, my parents were always

taught me to stay frugal. I would always be like, can I get this? And they say, no, and that kind of was implemented into my brain. Like, I don't spend too much money, right? But when I moved out here,

“I learned a lot about content creating and how much you need to invest in yourself. If you want”

to grow and create entertaining content and, you know, that went out the window. Also,

maybe not now, but like, when I first moved out here, definitely wait, wait, easier to be influenced.

“I was going to get like a little civic out here. Um, but then my homie, silky was like,”

yo, you need a civic in a, in a, in a, put a civic in a garage full of supercars. And he was joking, but I thought about his like, okay, shit, um, if I'm going to buy a car, I could have this car for four, four years, miles will buy like a nicer and nice, well, in civics are nice, but you know, want to be my nice, like, cool. Would you buy about a auto, you are a seven, which lasted like year and a half. So what did you pay for in what do you sell for? I pay like maybe 80, 85k for it.

Or maybe, yeah, I would you sell for like 68. That's not bad. Pretty good for a year and a half. It's because it's not terrible. I bought a 2021 smart. So it was already, I kind of did appreciate it, but that didn't affect what you did with the Maybach. Shambida Bewerbaflaute. She tried to unseigo mansague. That's nerf, and it's still feel to Toyota. Stop. Rouse is the recruiting spirit. With Stepstone Alljobs, come to you for one year,

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because I've a series out of it now. Does the Maybach get girls? No. No. No. No. Just more guys. Really? Yeah. Which ones? The Shraightman. It's like going to the gym. All right, when you're going to the gym, you think, oh, once I get this body on a curly going to come after me, it knows dudes. They like to see you muscular, I don't know. And like, same with dudes like when I went down to rodeo, this is mostly dudes like, oh, shit. That's a cool

car. Do you mean? Are you frugal on anything in your life right now? Something that you just

“no matter how much money you make or have, you will not spend money on. No, that's why I said I feel”

rich because I can't just swipe my card and I'm okay. How much are you spending a month? December. I spent 300. And how much did you make? I made four, four, four, 50. Is it all of the 300 deductible or is some of it personal? A lot of it was for content. Like, almost everything is for content. But that was a very high month for me. I said, I don't uh, it's because phase miss was that month. And then I was just putting a lot of money in. Why don't you drink?

I'm allergic. Oh, I have that. Yes, so I can't break down alcohol. I got that. What does it do? I don't know. I don't know. Like, sometimes I get really bad aging glow. They're like clogs up. Like, I just don't like drinking. It's not fun. Yeah. On the same way, I don't, I don't get the glow, obviously. But for me, it just, it's the rose. It's the rose knee. Oh, the opportunity cost for me of drinking is so high that I see that one drink is actually being worth thousands

“of dollars because my productivity the next day is completely blown. And then I think what I”

rather have one drink or one thousand dollars. And if the answer is yes, then I'll have the drink.

But otherwise, it's just, you know, it's become so important for me to be productive that I can't have a drink. Yeah. It serves nothing. I agree. Oh, yeah. What about investing? How much are you investing? Are you investing at all? I am investing. Honestly, I haven't checked my brokerage in a while. Give access to it. Yeah, I do. I could, I could rate it afterwards if you want me to. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that would be interesting to see where they're putting your money. And how much are they

returning you? Like, what percent per year? Because I'm always like skeptical when it comes to financial managers, what do you be going to call it? Are they even returning S&P 500?

And everything that I do is content. And I know it's bad. But I'm just trying to focus on my content.

But I do have people that manage money, but I would love for you out of like, look at my brokerage and see if, you know, things are good. No, it's just so well. It's just a financial management firm. Yeah, we could create for specifically creators. We're all we do because I see so many people where it's just like, sometimes they just need a phone call. Like, hey, you shouldn't spend the money on that. Like, what are you doing today? Don't, don't buy that. Or like, you come to me with a

may back and say, listen, let's, let's shop around and save you 50 grand. That's it. Let's put 20

“percent away before you even see it. Would you do that? Honestly, yeah. To stream all the time,”

IRL streaming going to these events being washed by tens of thousands of people. I imagine it has to build your confidence. Would you say that you're a very confident person? Yeah. I think Sherman did build my confidence. It taught me to like not be embarrassed to embarrass myself and not care what other people think. And it's definitely helped with my social anxiety. I don't really have that if the cameras on me. Like, I'm more shy if the cameras are

off me. Did you have social anxiety? Um, not like a crazy my, I was growing up. I was like a class clown kind of vibe. So, not really. Definitely boost them on confidence. Like, the camera makes me want to do more. Like, I feel like I have to do more if the cameras are on. And what about girls? L.A. girls are kind of demonic. What do they like? What do they do? I went to a, I went to an L.A. party one time and as a girl, literally like,

most of her hand had come to the bathroom. And I didn't even know who she was or anything. But it was like a, it was like a phase party. So, I guess she knew me. I was like, it's just weird. Like, I, I don't know. So what did you do? I just went to the bathroom. I said, hey, run, I'll be right back. But, no, I had run honey. It's way right here. It's interesting. And let's just say, I'm a girl at a bar. How would you approach me? What's going on right now? Is this okay?

Um, I'm probably like, hey, what's your name? Hi, I'm Jack. Jack, nice to meet you. I'm Jason. You look beautiful tonight. Was it, is there anything I could get you? Hi, yeah. I mean, I would love, I'll take a vodka Red Bull. And then could I get 11 to Kila sodas for my friends? And could I also get, I see that they have some waggy on the menu? Could I get a few orders of that? And then by, could you also just pay everyone else's tab on my friend's tabs? I would leave.

Which is I would be the Ajvi. Okay. That's a lot of, now I'm good. So it's as simple as just going up, hey, what's your name? Yeah, I think, I think, but I don't really like my past relationships. That's not how I'm getting them. I just naturally just went with friends first. How do you know who you could trust though? Like if you're going out and dating, and LA, I don't know. You don't know.

“Do you have to get intuition about people? Yeah, I feel like I do. If I have a good feel for”

good people, a good hearted people, but I'm always skeptical. Even people that I know for

a while, I'm always skeptical. And I feel like you kind of have to think like that, especially you know, if you make the money that you do and you have the status that you have, like you never know someone's intentions. So it's always good to be skeptical, but it's kind of sad in the way I always have in one foot and one foot out. What are you worried about though, if you're like, what do you skeptical about? Like, then stealing ideas or like, not just being used for like a stepping stool to meet

someone else, like that's a real thing, and LA, like, for example, QD, you know, QD Center rather? Yeah, QD told me this story about American exposes who, but like, yeah, there's a lot of sure there's like go to QD and try to be friends with QD to get to Ludwig, right? And it's it's

“messed up, but like, that's a real thing. So you should be careful. Yeah, you hang out or did something”

ever happen to you? Um, I've never had a bad experience, no, but I was always thought to be skeptical.

And my dad always tells me to never fully trust someone. What's a red flag that you look for?

Are you friends with Kai? I don't know. I mean, I can see that perspective, and I 100,000

percent agree, that is a better to be more skeptical as opposed to less. But even the simple question of like, hey, are you friends with this person? I don't really see that as, you know, obviously it depends on the context of the situation. If I, if they asked that, and then they start like, oh my god, I'm like, like, fanning at all. Yeah. And it's like, that's a red flag for me. But if it's like, even that can happen to you, because if you think of someone that you're like a

massive fan of, and then you're like, wait, are you friends with Cristiano Ronaldo? And then they're like,

“yeah, like, I know, holy cow, like, I think that, you know, it's, it's a little hard to, like,”

completely line that out. I guess that's true. I mean, personally, I don't think I would fan out, because I don't know, I think unless it's like a broad james. Does it bother you to feel like you

can never 100% trust someone? Yeah, it does. But I try not to think about it. I honestly,

it is what it is. I like to think that most people are trustworthy, 90 something percent of them, not a bad bone in their body. And then the 10% usually maybe they're a little squirrely, but you know, if that happens, it is what it is. That's my, that's my, I think an entertainment industry, especially it's hard to find people that truly want to be friends with you for you. I agree. I get to know you in Los Angeles, especially. And I was living here, like in the beginning

of the ice coffee hour, beginning of like getting started on YouTube. And I feel like the people that I met that lived here in Los Angeles, completely different, the people that I've met that do content that live elsewhere. And it's like hypercompetitive here. A lot of people are being

“used to stepping stones. A lot of really great people out here, but at the same time, I think that”

there's a culture to the city that makes it a little more toxic, hypercompetitive in that way that you're describing. I mean, yeah, I think in LA, there's parties where like, oh, the stereotype is like, oh, I mean, I'm going to follow you. Yeah, you can come in. I guess a real thing, which is like kind of dystopian. Have you ever been denied because the amount of followers you have? No, I don't go to parties. So, but yeah, no, what's your biggest insecurity? Probably my height.

Really? How tall are you? Five eight. No, no, I'm not really dinosaur care. I'm pretty sick. Are you actually five eight? Yeah. Five seven and a half. Round up. Nothing really pops up tomorrow. I'm pretty sick. I'm a pretty secure person, but if you could, if you were like my therapist and you start jabbing at me, then I'd probably be able to think of something. But right now, I think I'm just in my mind. You know, as funny

as we were listening to your podcast, like all your appearances, we were doing some research on you before we came up with our outline, you know, our talking points and everything. And when you just listen to you, not watch you, you don't sound the way you look. Have you been told that before? Yeah, plenty of times. Because I was raised around a lot of Hispanic people and black people. Like, at my school growing up, there's no white people, no Asian

people. And I went to like the Kingston Yadas and I had the Edgar haircut. Like, yeah, I was growing up. I was not ashamed, but I kind of scared to speak on language, even

“because people would make fun of me. The only thing that I'm a little bit suspicious of,”

not for you necessarily, your situation checks out, but like every single streamer sounds the same. Like, they have that kind of like swagged out, like yo chat, you know what I mean? Like, like, eight in Ross, where did he grow up? I don't know, Florida. Sounds like New Jersey to me a little bit. Like, but he even talked like, man, you know, so I'm just out here, like doing it. Like, where did people learn how to talk like that? I don't know. Maybe it's a streamer's

link. It might be streamer's link because they can have their own streamers watch streamers. So maybe they don't influence each other because it's just so collective. I just feel like you could have someone who grew up in like Wisconsin, you know, like a normal suburban neighborhood, then they get into streaming and then all of the sudden they're going to be talking like that. Have you ever thought about that? I have not. Go for like, I don't know.

Like, all of this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe it's maybe it's just being, but it's yeah. That's interesting. That is interesting to be honest. Okay. So now we have some rapid

fire questions. So we're going to ask you a question and you're going to give us the first response

that comes to your mind. Got it. Okay. If you could buy stock in three content creators who to be muddy, rame, they are key. What's your biggest financial flex? Not Maybach. Why no house, house,

Texas mansion at big? That's like 20,000's for a few. I know. Why do you want to house that big? I don't know. Do you really want it? Yeah. So you think about it often? I do. Well, when it would have like a lazy river and like, I just want my whole family to be there. Like, literally compound. Do you want to call it out every single person? I don't understand why you couldn't do that right now. Like, you could finance it. They could all move in. You could call

that your home base and then fly out of there to certain shoots. I don't know. I guess I could, but I don't know how, how to start. I mean, I do, but it's a lot. I'm lazy. When is the last time you

“cried? I don't remember. I didn't really cry growing up because my dad was like, yo,”

I mean, the typical like, if you cry, you're not a man. It's not only cry. Do you haven't cried any time in the past couple of years? No, I have, but I try not to like, I cry like, I'll try my best not to, but probably, oh wait. I remember now is when I went home for Christmas and saw my dad and we had a conversation about him growing older. I cried. What about it specifically? I mean, you know, when you look at your bat, your dad and he just looks older and you see him just

growing older and it's just like a scary feeling of, you know, him passing, you know, that conversation. I think sometimes and this keeps me up and I'll be like 130 in the morning about

the fall sleep and I just think about, I say, wait a second, you know, if you look at the average

“life span, my life is almost half over, which is just think about that. I'm about to be 36”

and for men, I think it's like in the mid 70s and so like 36 times two, you know, 70 to and like holy shit that's almost half over. That's why, and hopefully, I'm hoping to live through like 90s. I want to live to like 103 ideally, but still when you put that into perspective, it's like, oh shit, things go fast. And then I see other things, it like, what I was born in 1990, 1955 is the same thing as like 35 years from now, which is 1955. I start doing these calculations

in my head. I'm like, oh my gosh. I feel like what the scariest thought is is like, okay, I live in a different state than my parents. You do as well. You do as well. And you think, okay, when do I see my parents? Christmas, some other events, maybe I'll go back and visit them a couple of times per year. And so maybe I'm seeing them like six times per year, right? Once every two months, if I'm lucky. And then you map out the amount of life that they likely

have based on averages, because whether you like it or not, everyone's a part of a statistic, then, you know, how many times do you have left statistically to see them? It could be like 40. You know, depending on how old your parents are and average lifespan to whatnot, but that's a scary thought for me. It was like how much more time do I really have? Who is the biggest fashion

“influence on you? For real? Yeah, I could see that. That's cool. What is the secret to a happy life?”

Being content with what you have. As you say that wanting the $10 million compound house kind of hip-a-kirk on, I mean, I let just learn like, and I still struggle this with this,

I think human nature, you always want more. You always want more. And if I just like

step back and like think about and I have my lifestyle and what I have and I'm just like, damn, I'm blessed and I'm happy to have what I have and to be able to do what I do every single day and live my life doing that and be financially free and make money doing, living hanging out with my friends in a house, streaming. That makes me happy, but sometimes I get in complacent and I want more and that makes me kind of sad. It's a gratitude,

you know, counting your blessings is good. On the topic of being happy with where you're at,

would you quit streaming for $20 million? That's a lot of money, but now after tax,

just $20 million in your bank account, no tax is it's yours. But you quit today. But what could I like, do you, too? Nope. We got to be off social media. No social media? Nothing. No, I wouldn't because that's my passion. I don't know. I think I would just be sad.

Travel the world, but then what I'm 21. Have a family, have kids, settle down, have a nice one, get a nice place and Florida on the beach, take up golf, tennis for the rest of my days. I feel I just get bored and sad and depressed, walk the beach, get into making coffee. How many times can I do that? You could, you could just start a

reef aquarium. Graham, would you quit all social media for $20 million? No, not for $20.

There would be a price, though. There would be a price. No, because I see the trajectory. It's like $20 million at the current trajectory of that, you know, I would say if you gave me $50, I would do it. What about you? 100th. I would probably quit for $20 million post tax.

“Would you do one of those old cringey TikToks for the camera? No. I can't. How much of that cost?”

Oh, that would cost a pretty penny. I can't go back. I can't. Give us a teaser. It's just a little something. Oh, my God. All right. That's going to be in the intro. Last thing we have for you is a tier list. All right. Jason, the wean. Let's see what your streamer tier list looks like. All right.

And if I never watched one of these streamers, I just put it. Put them wherever you want.

Yeah. Yeah. All right. Here we go. So who should I just start talking to bottom? Yeah. All right. Eight in. I think eight in would be mountain rush more. Sure. He made it and made sure for sure. Is this like all time? Yeah. Just like just like where would you put these people on

“the tier list? There's no like strict criteria. Whatever criteria you want to sign.”

I'll put eight in probably. I put eight in. Yes. Yes. Because he was the first person bringing a rapper on a screen, which made a streaming a lot more mainstream. Was in the first person to make streaming mainstream, but first person to bring a rapper on a stream, which opened doors for sure. Agent, I'm putting agent at. I just been doing this for a long time. I'm putting it at A because his consistency and his

grind and him not being burnt out. And yeah, he's been always consistent.

Is this on drab otes or which process? Is this on drab otes? Yeah. I'm put her at a

“C. I'm not really a chess trainer as my gold. I'm gonna put as man at I don't watch them at all.”

So I'm gonna put him at a sinner. I'm gonna put her at a A. She's going she went back to back sat for our words. So best female sure. I'm gonna get her at extra Emily and put her at her. 4th then. I don't know too much about 4th so I know he does Minecraft speed runs. Some, um, and put him out of B. Fusy to. I don't really watch Fusy. He doesn't make streaming anymore. But he has him funny funny clips. I'm gonna see.

Fusy. I don't know you watch Fusy, but she's, she's a staple in an instrument community. A son, put a son and like, uh, hey, and, uh, Jack Dirty. Fuck. No, I'm gonna get F. Oh no. Poor Jack Johnny Sonlami. Salami. I'm gonna matter as, uh, um, would you put him above her below Jack Dirty? She just has like, Hitler versus Stalin. Which one is worse? Probably. Probably.

If I Johnny, some Ollie. Kyle Pineda S. I'm for obvious reason. Yeah, change streaming game. Going crazy. Killed it. He literally killed it. Lacey, pull, pull, Lacey, uh, Lacey, uh, I B. It's my boy. Let's go. I'm gonna put, uh, I'm gonna matter B.

I actually have, uh, I put Marlaan a B.

“Because he's been doing this for literally, I think, like, one year. And he, going absolutely crazy.”

Nian, put Nian at, like, a, like, a, like a, like a, like a scene. Ninja.

Last year, I would argue that Ninja made streaming. It was a first turn to make a main stream

with, like, Drake, Travis Scott. Like crazy. Pokemon, but Pokemon, like, like, a B. Soda, put Soda, like, a, I know he's one of the streaming goats. Didn't watch him too much though, but I, I could miss respect speed S internationally, like, known insane streamer. A lot of inspiration from speed.

Squeaks, I don't really watch squeaks. I've, I've never watched squeaks, but I've only heard good things about him.

So put him out of D. Stable Renato, put my boy at an, a, a hilarious dude to the tap, man. Put Tim, uh, I watched a lot of Tim, I can't lie. Put my day. Toki, I didn't even know Toki Shia. I thought he was a YouTuber. I really don't know. I thought he just gambling few times. Yeah. Yeah. I really watched his streams, I don't know. He's out now. Yeah. Um, I don't know him. I don't really watch the streams.

Or if he streams, put him, right, I saw him going, uh, this is one of, yep, well, enough. Put him out, uh, come out of the sea, word, word of t-shirts, right? Yep. Josh, what block? I put him, I don't really watch his streams. I'll put him back to Asmgode. She's Josh next to Asmgode. He's the good streamer in my opinion.

“Yeah, I think he's Rush Asmg. No. Josh? Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I saw him once I was streamed in like.”

Shoppy fight. Constable to an ancient hip band. Start to dance as much as you feel. I have an Euro Pomona of Shoppy 5.de/recorder. He looked a little bit out of it. I think, uh, this is brand. Yeah. He leans into the character a lot. He's actually pretty normal. I think. Uh, he's faking it. Oh, okay. I don't think that's it. No, no, no, no. It's all in that. XUC put at a S. Okay. I watched a lot of XUC, uh, on my come up and growing things like pure desktop,

great desktop streamer, paved away for for new streamers as well. Teethoo put at a Tyler one. I don't even put in Tyler at a S. Wow. Because this dude, I watched like the

“most growing up on Twitch. Him and Greg got X. Yo, hilarious, dude. I think I think he's”

fucking hilarious. Austin show, um, Clav. I'll say this. He, he's very clipable. And he knows how to get clip. But he, he's saying some outrageous shit. So I put him. I put him, uh, I'm for my, put my C. Sneak Oh, um, put him, put him in D. Me, I'm put myself at B. So key, so key. I love

so key thing. So there is put on my B's. Well, Max, I'm gonna put him out. I'll put him in A.

As, as S tier. Thank you, Ben. Well, thank you for coming on. Really appreciate it. We'll link

to all of your info down below in the description. Thank you so much for having me. I'm looking forward to watching your island. I'm gonna, I'm gonna watch it. I'm gonna watch it. I'm gonna watch it. I'll tune into a little, a little bit. And I'm looking forward to it. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

“You know what? You should also have someone for a day hunt you down and see if you could escape”

them. And if you escape them for the day, then you get a cheeseburger. What thing is, I don't want

to like script it because they want to be where they are. Oh, it's not scripted. But like you actually they actually will hunt you down. Like they will find me down. I just die. No, no, they hunt you down. Then you get penalized. You have to spend like an extra like five hours on the island,

just something like that. Like to do something like that. Because I don't keep it interesting for the

“day. If like a Navy seal tries to hunt you down and you have to like hide out. I think that'd be”

interesting. Like climb trees or like bury yourself in the sand and be like, I do agree if there was like kind of somewhat of a schedule day one. This is happening. They do. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he knows what he knows. Jason. Thank you so much for coming on the podcast. That was a blast. Thank you. Talking to streamers because it's like completely new information for us. It's not what we do.

“So it's interesting. Appreciate you coming on. So big thank you to white glove estates here in”

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