First Lady Jill Biden Reveals All (Pt 2) Life-Changing Lessons on Fear, Faith, Hardship & Hope

prostate cancer that has spread to his bones. How is he doing right now?

“I think the combination of everything has taken its toll.”

One of the questions on everyone's mind right now what his most recent prognosis is.

He just had scans coming up in this incredible part

to episode with first lady, Dr. Jill Biden. First lady, Dr. Jill Biden. I'd have feeling you might wear blue. Oh, it's my favorite color. The medications are hard.

What is the long-term prognosis that they say? They said, are you scared? Scared that he's going to die? How are his spirits? Stage four cancer really slows you down.

And I've seen that. And he just doesn't ever get up and say, God, I feel great today. Do they say, will he need to continue to be on medications forever, forever, forever, that have side effects

and that are really difficult. Yeah, they're not God. And you know what? They don't want to be God. And they don't want to be wrong.

“He's always been the strength of our family.”

Do you ever have a cry over it together? No. No. I'm not, well, of course, this interview you started right in and I started to tear up.

But basically, I mean, I am not a cryer.

A couple of things I have to ask you because people want to know the moment they debate with President Biden and now President Trump. You talk about wondering in that moment live and is he having a stroke or was he drugged?

Were there any steps taken after to rule out? I mean, I was hit so much anxiety about it. Joe and I both had a team of doctors around both of us at all times. And he had a team I had a team.

Were they able to definitively rule out? He did not have a stroke that night? What is your gut tell you happened? That is my honest to God to answer.

“And there's no way anyone can have God for a bit”

at least his drink or so. Who knows? Who knows? Right? Who knows?

President Biden's book comes out in November. Anything a sneak peek tease you can tell us about it. Well, first lady Dr. Jill Biden made history as the first first lady to hold a full-time job as a college professor.

We'll also serving in her full-time role in the White House and across the country as our first lady. She's carried an imaginable tragedies and loss from losing her son, bowed to cancer

to her other son, Hunter battling extreme drug addiction. To now, President Joe Biden, being diagnosed with stage four, metastatic cancer. And she has a brand new book out called View From The East Wing. You can get anywhere books are sold,

and it's also an audible where the first lady herself reads it to you.

And today, she's opening up like never before

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because we are all in this one life together. And right now, as the First Lady shares in this episode, President Joe Biden is in the fight of his life, battling stage four cancer. While the First Lady agreed that today,

no questions were off limits. And so I do ask the most pressing questions so many of us want to know. I also want to ask you to join me in praying

And in praying for and sending love to his entire family during this time. - Welcome to JamieCranleymed Show. - Oprah, how have you defied the odds?

“- Her show is unlike any I've ever done.”

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I have never had this in-depth conversation.

- I've actually never said that out loud too. Anybody in an interview before, you know how to get there. (laughs) - You're brain and your spirit and your heart is like,

wow, Melinda French Gates. - When I look into Jamie's eyes, I feel like I am on some other cosmic level with her. - Megan, that's just of Sussex. - I wasn't expecting that one.

I could see the light around her. She's infused with light. - Maria Shriver. - I never made that mistake again. - Imagine overcoming self-doubt,

learning to believe in yourself and trust yourself and know you are enough. Welcome to the Jamie Karnim Michelle. - Jamie Karnim is renamed. - Everybody needs Jamie Karnim and my wife.

- Jamie Karnimah. - Jamie, you're so inspiring. - Jamie Karnimah. - If Hunter decides to run for office. - Oh my God.

- If Hunter decides to run for president. What would you tell him what would president buy and tell him? (laughs) - You know, I do have a funny answer for that.

I would say, run, but then you take that how you want to. - Yeah. - Right. (laughs)

- So, you know, Hunter's got to find his own path. And whatever he decides to do, and I feel this is true, his whole life, I feel it from all our kids. Whatever they decide to do,

I mean, our grandkids, our kids, will support them. I mean, we will support them 100%. And I felt that same way about Joe. You know, a lot of times when he thought about

running for president and it was to me it was kind of unreal and daunting. I thought, I believe in you, and I will support you.

“And that's how I feel about all my kids and grandkids.”

Have you and Joe talked about what Hunter's doing and if he would enter politics? - I know. - No. - No.

- You know, this is a tough time for me and Joe. - And with this cancer diagnosis, and it's, you know, I don't know if you've ever done any caregiving yourself. But it's another layer of life that is kind of unexpected.

I never expected the cancer diagnosis to begin with,

nor did he. But then to be, you know, here I am out on my book tour. But every day, like in my mind is like how's he doing? Has he eaten? What's he doing?

Did he take his meds? Is he going to, with his trainer? I mean, you know, it's like you're trying to manage everything all at the same time. And so to, it just, you know,

Joe and I just really haven't talked about it

“because our life is so full of just this whole medical part”

of our lives now is challenging. I have so many questions about that. And you know, you share a lot in your book. I love that even you weave it all through. I'm not gonna give away any of it.

- No, everyone has got to take the book up. By the way, I wanna say this really quick. I love that you read the book.

And I'm always a little bummed

if there's someone I really wanna read their book, but they have someone else read it. I understand why people do that of course. There's a lot of reasons. I love that you read your audio book

because I think everyone right now who's listening who goes to audible and grabs it. I actually, what I love to do is have the physical copy and listen at the same time. And I like to highlight things.

- Oh, okay. - And a really good friend in mine, Pastor John Maxwell. He said once that the first time he reads a book he highlights it. He says he always reads every book twice.

He says the first time. - Oh, no. - Yeah, he says that when it's really good. He says the first time he reads it, he highlights it. And the second time he reads the book,

it highlights him.

- I love that so much and that's one of the things that I just really wanna get across to everyone listening does not matter how you feel politically. It's not a political book. - It's not a political book.

- And you read it. You see parts of your own life in this.

“Like it highlights you, no matter, I believe no matter”

what things you've gone through in life because so many of us can connect to something the different topics, right? That you talk about that you've gone through.

How you put your sisters first at the funeral

and that there's just so many dynamics you had gone through an experience that a lot of people are gonna, I think, feel less alone in and more enough in when does when they read. - And I wanna ask you about President Biden

and to answer your question, yes, I've definitely, I lost both of my parents who adopted me, one to cancer and my dad. And then I took care of my mom for about 10 years and in the hospital with a lot of illness

and she passed two years ago and taking care of someone, especially with a serious illness, can be all consuming.

Those of us on the outside that are seeing President Biden

pop up at different things and taking the amtrak to an event this weekend, he's out and about and doing everything. But he was diagnosed with stage four, metastatic cancer, prostate cancer that has spread to his bones. How is he doing right now?

- He's doing, okay, like in that, like you're saying, he takes amtrak, he goes to make a speech and rohobbeth beach Delaware, he works every day. But it takes it's toll. I mean, there's a different pace to life,

just because of the medications and the cancer.

“And I think stage four cancer really slows you down”

and I've seen that. And you know, he just doesn't ever get up and say, God, I feel great today, you know, like I get up and say that.

You do, but he always has, it's always with him.

The cancer's always with him. And it's a big change because it was always a ton of energy and strong and that's not there like it used to be. But also, you know, he's aging. I mean, we all are, but he's, you know, he's 83.

So I think the combination of everything has taken its toll. I love that you address some of the most difficult or some of the questions people want to know. You really go deep in your book

and you explain the behind the scenes of what was going on. You explain why the doctors did certain things. You explain all of it and you take us through what you were going through with.

President Biden was going through you, take us on that journey, which I love because so many people just maybe see a quick sound by it in the nightly news or they just see something up hop up in their Twitter feed.

And again, no matter how someone feels politically it's so easy to just see somebody's version online in two seconds that's feeding your algorithm for whatever reason. And it really is so far from the actual truth of what happened.

“And so that's what, one of the reasons I think books”

are life-changing and especially because you just go, you go through that journey and you're able, and I love that people are able to go through this with you. And I know one of the questions on everyone's mind right now as we're sitting here is of course how is he doing

and also what his most recent prognosis is. - Well, he just had scans and they were very optimistic. And they, you know, I mean his PSA is zero which means that the cancer is not in the prostate anymore. And but the medications are kind of daunting.

And heart, I think. What is the long-term prognosis that they say? - They said he probably won't die of cancer. It'll be something else. So they're pretty confident that they can,

well, the prostate cancers under control, but it's the bones, the cancer in the bones that's the scary part. But they're saying that he probably won't die of cancer.

- Well, I don't know whether they sit in the bones, but he won't die of it. Well, it's the prostate cancer in the bones. - Okay. - So, but, you know, that's a blessing before.

- Yes. - And doctors won't give you any kind of, like if you, 'cause you wanna know, like, yeah, you know, how long is you gonna be okay, how long is he gonna be able to work?

He's writing a book, how long, why he's almost faced with that, but they don't tell you. They're not God, and you know what? They don't wanna be God, and they don't wanna be wrong, right? So, no matter how hard you push,

“you have to kind of go with your own, I don't know, intuition.”

- Do they say, well, he need to continue to be on medication forever, forever, forever, that have side effects, and that are really difficult. - Yeah, yeah. - For sure.

- How are his spirits? - Well, he's like, you know, he's most days, he's, you know, pretty good, but like, all of us, he has his down days, and when he gets frustrated with not feeling great, or so it's up and down.

I have seen every single press outlet ask you about this on your book tour, and it's probably difficult to talk about, and I think it's also just, I think everyone is curious and wants to know the latest and has so many questions

“about any time, whether it happens in our own families,”

like how didn't we know sooner, or how didn't doctors detect it, all of that, are you scared? - Scared that he's gonna die, he's scared, but this, everything he's going through. - Of course, I'm scared.

How do you handle it?

- I guess I, I, it's, I mean, first of all,

he's almost 10 years older than I am, yeah. And, and with an illness and, you know, you kind of can't, like, your head go there. You just can't, I mean, like I said with, with Bow and maybe you felt this with your parents,

it's like you can't imagine life without them, but you know they're gonna die. Just like I know I'm gonna die. So part of it you accept as the natural, you know,

“it's, I think, probably, and I'm gonna put this”

in your court, probably with your parents, it was so super hard to lose both your parents, but all throughout your life, we've been conditioned as human beings to, to expect our parents to die

before we do. - Yeah. - But you never expect

your child to die before you do. - So am I scared that Joe will die? - Yeah, I am. But, and it's not something I, you know, actively think about, but because he's sick, I don't know, he's strong,

I mean, he's, he's resilient, and some days, I say, you know, Joe, the irony is like going through all this, I'm gonna be the one to die first. - God, God, God, God, God, God. - It's gonna be me, you're gonna live with me.

- Because you're driving me so crazy. - And does he get scared? - He's never told me he's scared, no. I don't think he, I don't think those words would come out of his mouth. - Yeah.

- You know, he's always been the strength of our family,

and I don't think he would allow himself to be that vulnerable. - Do you ever have a cry over it together? - No, no, I'm not, well, of course, this interview, you started right in and I started to tear up. But basically, I mean, I am not a cryer.

Joe is a cryer, however. And, but no, I would not. You know, we can't look at life that way. That's Jamie, we look at it like Joe has cancer. He's gonna die.

So let's make the most of every moment. Let's be together, let's do, let's find things that bring us joy, let's make this a positive journey.

because how can you live with that every day? - You can't, it's too heavy. - What are you? - It's too dark. - What are your favorite things about your husband? - Just strength and his dead business

and his integrity as a person, his faith, all of that.

“And actually, that's why I think he was elected”

by the American people, because I think they wanted calm peace, dead business, and that's who he's been to our family.

I mean, I feel that when he lost his first wife and daughter

and I came into his life and raised the boys and then we had our daughter together, actually. You know, that family, we work so hard in building the family with love. And I felt when Joe was making that decision

in 2020 to run for president, that that's how he was gonna heal the nation, you know, by, through love, through positive things, through doing, through helping people. And I think the American people felt that way too.

And I think that's one of the things they miss and they say to me all the time, whether it's walking on to an airplane or most of the time ladies' rooms in airports, very women feel like they can come up to me

and say everything, or they'll say,

"Do you mind if I take a picture?" I'm like, we're in a ladies' room, but anyway, I think, I don't know, so we don't look at it, we look at it in a more positive way. - You have to.

“- You have to, would you describe him as a hero in your life?”

- Oh, yeah, I would. - Yeah, he was a hero for me. - Yeah. - And you're about to be married 50 years? - Yes.

- Yeah, that was 49 this June. - Yep. You know, talking about heroes, one question I have for you is, one day, many decades from now,

when someone asks Ashley and Hunter, how you were as a mom, and how you loved them, what do you hope they say? - I hope they say that, I don't know, that life was fun with me.

Like I try to make it fun and funny. And, you know, I play pranks on them all the time, and it's, um, I don't know, it's just part of our, I guess love language. - Yeah, I love that your family,

so many of your kids have named their kids, their siblings name, yes, yeah, yeah. Like it's all interchangeable, yeah. - That's really cool, how they've all done. - Did you do that as well?

- No, I need my daughter wonder. We tried for 10 years to have her, and it's long story and them, and my son Wilder. Now, I'm not sure if we should have named him Wilder, 'cause he's Wilder, Wilder, Wilder than you want to do.

- And then we actually have a 10-month-old West and women. - I do, I do, I do, I do, I do, I do, I do. - So we have three right now. - I'll have to send you some of my children's books. - I love, thank you, thank you so much.

Okay, so talking about books, you mentioned Joe's, Joe's new book, President Biden's book comes out in November. Anything, a sneak peek tease, you can tell us about it.

“- Well, I think it reflects Joe in the same way”

that my book reflects me, like I'm not political. I know people find that hard to believe, but I don't feel that I'm political and I didn't write a political book, but he's very political.

And he's always loved politics.

And so, and he's always loved, you know, foreign policy and foreign leaders and national domestic policy. And so, his is more, how he felt and how he reflected on different parts of the historical part of his journey,

of his four years in the White House. So, they're very different books. - I heard him say that it's a lot about how he made decisions in a lie. And I think that's gonna fascinate a lot of people.

- A couple things I have to ask you because people want to know... - Is he painful? - No, I mean, the moment in the debate with President Trump, the moment in the debate

you talked about wondering in that moment live,

“and is he having a stroke or was he drugged?”

Were there any steps taken after to rule out? - Oh, yeah, I remember both. Joe and I both had a team of doctors around both of us at all times. And he had a team I had a team.

And as all, firstly, these and presidents have. And, and yeah, they checked him out. I mean, once we got off the stage, I went to the green room to get my, my pocketbook and all that stuff.

And he went to his staff and the docks. And, and they said, Jill, he's fine. He's okay. I mean, I was like, you know, I mean, I was, I had so much anxiety about it.

Like, what's wrong, what's going on? But we went on to do three events at night. That same night right after night. And he agreed to all those fires. Yeah, that's what's so inexplicable.

Like, he was fine.

“He got up on the stage, you meet a speech.”

We went to the, the Waffle House, Dave Waffle House is not, they're mostly in the south. And, and, you know, greeted people. And then we went to North Carolina. Got off that plane at three o'clock in the morning.

And there's a band playing in the lights and hundreds of supporters and greeted them. And they were, you know, so excited. And he went around and shook everybody's hand. And the next week or two weeks later,

he was, um, doing a conference with NATO. It was like such an everation. I just were able to definitively rule out. He did not have a stroke that night. Well, they, they did.

They said, no, I mean, I didn't say to them, I, when I was writing my book, I was reflecting. But I didn't say, God, Joe have a stroke. I just said, is he okay, is he okay? And, um, what is your gut tell you happened?

I can't figure it out. That is my honest, to God, true answer. I don't know. There's so many conspiracy theories online. Oh, and it'll go on forever.

Forever there. And if you ever, I'm sure you know, have better than anyone on the planet. So still to this day, you don't have a gut instinct on what, what was that moment?

No, I mean, there's all kinds of theories. You know, he had been traveling. I know he was tired. He didn't feel well that day when I saw him. But there was nothing definitive that I could point to.

And I had been on the road for two weeks up until that moment. So I wasn't with him. I didn't see him days before, weeks before. I saw him maybe one hour before.

And there's no way anyone can have God for bed, laced his drink or so. Who knows, who knows, right? Who knows? This conversation with First Lady Dr. Jill Biden

is so incredible. We made it into more than one part.

She's truly opening up like never before

and sharing lessons that have changed her life and could truly impact and change yours too. You are not going to want to miss this incredible part three of our conversation with First Lady Dr. Jill Biden. That's coming up in the next episode

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