How to Be More Assertive! Tools to Trust Yourself & Communicate with Certainty w/Jefferson Fisher

I'm so excited for this. If you're someone who struggles to say what you mean and how you feel with confidence,

“if you want to learn to trust yourself and truly learn the tools to be more assertive in your communication,”

well, backed by popular demand, communication, phenom, and trial attorney Jefferson Fisher is here to talk with you and me today about how to be more assertive in our communication and in our lives. Jefferson Fisher is a trial lawyer, a fifth generation award-winning attorney, writer, and speaker. His work has gained him millions of followers all over the world through short, simple, practical, social media videos teaching people how to argue less. And talk more. Whether it's handling a heated conversation, dealing with a difficult personality or standing your ground with confidence,

Jefferson helps you communicate during life's everyday arguments and conversations, and his brand new book called the next conversation.

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Jamie Kernley Michelle's name, everybody needs Jamie Kernley Michelle. Jamie, you're so inspiring. Jamie, Kernley, my Jefferson Fisher, welcome to the Jamie Kernley Michelle. Thank you so much for having me, Jamie. I'm honored to be here. I'm so excited you're here. Wow. What has happened with you, with your advice, with your videos, it has become a phenomenon. Thank you. Mm-hmm. Very sweet. Thank you. Yeah, it's truly been a blessing and right now I'm just holding on.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm excited so much to dive into today, Jefferson, how can we be more assertive in our communication so many people, especially women, struggle to be assertive and to have, you know, to be confident in what we have to say to say what we really mean, how can we be more assertive?

“Yeah. So confidence and assertiveness are interrelated. They work in a loop. So if you want to feel more confident,”

you can't just conjure that feeling. Like if I were to tell you Jamie, I need you to be extremely happy right now. I need you to be really scared or nervous. You're not going to feel that. I mean, I'm not, unless I just scared you're not going to feel scared, because it's a feeling, it's the same thing with confidence. And you feel more confident by saying more assertive things, the whole point of saying it with confidence is, it's a language adjustment. It's finding there assertive voice and everybody, everybody who's listening,

you have an assertive voice. You've used it some point in your life and the tools that we're teaching right now in this podcast. What we talk about in the book is these are the things that are going to remind you that the voice, you've probably heard a long time ago, it's going to sound really familiar to you, because you're going to start to use your assertive language more often to say what you mean, and mean what you say. So it depends on your language, things like unnecessary apologies,

things like adverbs that say literally, essentially, obviously, clearly, things that you don't need to say that begin to at ice cubes to your drink and water it down. What I'm teaching is,

“you need to serve your words neat. You need to be able to have that power pump a punch right in there.”

Okay, this is so good. There's like three things you just said that I want to break down in your new book. The next conversation. Are you left? Talk more. There are so many tools in it on this. I've read it covered a cover. It's fantastic. And I want to just call this out

This is really big because you're saying to gain, you gain more confidence by saying things that

“are assertive, by being assertive. So every time you make a decision to be assertive, you actually”

are building your confidence. And we have it in us. And when you said that, that it's going to fill familiar because for a lot of people, maybe we had not been assertive in a long time. Maybe we don't even know what that feels like. There's so many people that are just we struggle with people pleasing and making everyone happy and overthinking and rumenating and worrying. And before we know it, we're just like, you know, the last thing we're doing in

lately is being assertive and when you said that, that it's going to fill familiar to all of us. So we all have that assertive voice inside of us. The first thing I thought of is like a baby when they're hungry. They'll yell. They just scream like, "We have no problem being assertive when we're a little baby." And we're hungry all the time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it's in us. So everyone listening right now. It's in you. That assertive part of you is in you. Okay, this is big. And I

want to get to the watering down with the ice cubes because that's huge. And I say a lot of those words that you just said. So that's going to be another big opinion, which is great. I'm so excited

about this. I always feel Jefferson, like, if I'm having aha moments and what I love is I know

you know, everyone at home is going to be able to apply these things in their life. They're more likely having them to. Yeah. And so, okay. So every one of us has an assertive voice inside of us and we build our confident. We don't have to be, we don't have to be so confident to be assertive, but if we do one thing that's assertive, we say one thing that's assertive, we start building our confidence. Yeah. Can you explain that? Yes. And this is so good. Yeah. So often we use to say,

oh, I wish I had the confidence. I'm just building, I need to get the confidence to say it. I need to, I need to get the confidence first. All the time. I hear that all the time. Yes. They think confidence is the

first step. Yes. It's not. Confidence is the outcome. And so, whenever you go, I just wish I had

to build the confidence to say it. Nope. That's not it. Confidence is what you earn at the end. And so when you ever you able to change your voice to use language that is assertive, you will feel confident at the end. And then that will continue to build. Now you feel more confident saying assertive things. And then that will only increase as you go. And so it's confidence is a feeling. And it is the result of assertive acts. So what I like to say is confidence is as assertive

does. And so it allows you to, it's not the reverse. It's not just I wish I had the confidence to say it. Nope. It's confidence is the consequence. It is the outcome. So many people get this wrong. Like so and people get this wrong. Okay. So taking the assertive steps. Yes. How do we do that?

“One would be you need to acknowledge and take a road on a inventory of how often you are over”

apologizing. Saying sorry for things that you do not owe an apology for. Save your apologies for the real apologies. When you've made a mistake, when you said something wrong, when you truly offended someone or you did something wrong. Yeah. That's say the apology then. Not the, so sorry. I just missed this. So sorry. I'm just not getting back to you. Somebody is right in front of you and cuts you off and line you. Oh, so sorry. As if it was your fault. What is that

due to us when we over apologize nonstop? What is, what is that? What happens to us when we do that? It slowly just starts to corrode your own voice. It is. It's a necessary, a necessary apologies are corrosive in the way they will slowly. It's not the one that's not that just one

little so sorry. It's not the second one. It's the 30th. It's the 50th. I mean, you, you probably

the people that listen. Everybody, when you're not thinking about it, you will say sorry and it's also cultural. Yeah. All right. You will use them and what you're really the point I want to make to anybody who's listening is yourself worth is not tied to how little of an inconvenience you can be. It is not tied. It is not tied to how out of the way you can make yourself feel

“in the conversations. Yeah. Because that's what you're really doing. And whenever you're apologizing”

for somebody, well, I mean, let's say I didn't, I didn't say your email. I didn't say your text. Let's put in an email. You're at work. So somebody who's maybe at the office right now, you're on the way to work. If there's an email that you didn't respond to for three days, but I don't want you to respond to the email with this. So sorry. I'm just not getting back to you. No. Why would you apologize for having priorities? There's a good reason. You didn't get to that

email for three days. Instead, you need to use words of gratitude. Thank you for your patience.

Whenever you use words of gratitude, now it's not only giving them the patience.

“When you say thank you for your patience. They go, oh yeah, I was patient. Wasn't I?”

It's, you're not only giving them that gift of acknowledging what they, what they also gave in the conversation, but you are standing your crown and using a sort of words. Which builds confidence? It builds your confidence. So instead of saying, it's so sorry, it's, thank you. Use words of gratitude. I'm grateful for. This is the big one. And it's not even older generations

or our generation. It's younger generations. There's even, I mean, and I, you know, there's so many women who are so smart, strong, competent, capable bosses all that. And it's like it's in them to just up over apologize about everything all the time. And it's like we're in green to think, oh, that makes everyone like us. And we're like, oh, and all the things. That's the whole reason we do it. And you're saying it corrods your confidence. Yeah, it's not, it's not tied.

How, how many times you can say, sorry, and go, oh, it's so sorry. It just meant me that,

“I think, whenever you're kind of pulling yourself away, you hear how, even just saying,”

so sorry, these are words that you say, I'll just put my hands out in front. Yeah. It's really what it is. It's pushing yourself away from the issue, pushing yourself away from it's making you say, I'm less than what I think I am. Wow. And it's making you think that I am an inconvenience wherever I go, whether I'm standing in line or whether I'm two minutes late to whatever the sea friends using unnecessary apologies is one of the fastest way to all of a

sudden feel like you're, you're less worthy of stepping into your priorities and your presence. Jefferson, this is big. I'm already like, as your, as you're talking, I am imagining how many DMs, messages, comments, emails, I'm going to get from people saying, was that episode for me?

There's so many people in my life that do this. The answer is yes. Yeah, the answer is yes.

This episode, if you're thinking this episode of me and Jefferson is for you specifically, you are correct. Right. It is for you specifically. That's really big. Okay, you talk about watering down the drink with ice cubes and all different words and things that we can say that to plead or water down our assertiveness communicators. There's so much more coming up in this episode. You are not going to want to miss it. But first, I wanted to share this with you.

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You talk about watering down the drink with ice cubes and all different words and things that we can say that deplete or water down our assertiveness communicators. And there are adverbs. If you don't just as a refresher for people who need it, you remember an English class, adverbs, there were that typically in an L.Y. There's also just so, but there's the most likely culprits are in an L.Y. Like, literally, or ever heard somebody begin their sentence with, so basically,

or so essentially, anytime it's the L.Y., it's describing the verb, it begins to water down your sentence because you don't need it, you're adding fluff into your sentences. So anytime, let's say, now, let me make this clear distinction. If it's just 101, if it's you and your friend and your pajamas and you're living room with your wine, not yourself out. And you're like, literally, this is the last one. Exactly. Now we're so proud. Yeah, that's not that. Okay. This is for

“the situations where you need the confidence. You need to say assertive things. Okay. Now,”

listen to the difference. If I were, I need to talk to you about something, I said, hey, Jamie. So, so basically, like, I just need to tell you something and you can totally tell me if I'm wronging this, but when I'm really feeling is, so it's like, essentially, you know how you're just going, what's going on here? But people talk like they all the time. You're just adding fluff. And you say, like, all the time, when you used to work just all the time, just as they very hesitant

word, I just want to check in. I wanted to check in. You hear the difference? Uh-huh. Just as I'm hesitant to tell you, just remove it. You don't need it. Same for all the other adverbs. So, instead of using them, you just erase them from your sentences. You are removing the ice cube from your drink and you're serving the need because you don't, you don't need them. And the point is, whenever you write that email, whenever you write that text, you're finding

ways to not only write shorter sentences and use more concise words. It's eliminating the fluff from it. I'm so sorry. I totally forgot about this. Oh, my gosh. Like, you just, you don't need all of that. Whenever you can remove the adverbs, it's going to make it much clearer. And it's going to sound more assertive. That's the whole point. So, you know, I'm just thinking of sort of

“this challenge by the one right now, which is, you know, the next 24 hours. Any text you write?”

Yes. Before you hit send, just look at it. Are there any adverbs in there? Is there any fluff? Yeah. Take it out. Not that you don't want to be conversational, but actually it's a tool in how can I intentionally communicate more assertive, which then builds confidence. Similarly, audio text. I'm just thinking, uh, when you're saying all the things not to do, I'm just smiling,

because I'm like, I say literally so often. And this is so great and powerful to learn. And I'm

just thinking similarly, you know, similarly, when we use, when we send audio text, you send it off, listen to yourself back. Yes. I know none of us like that. I do not like listen to myself. None of us like to do it. Play that audio text back to yourself and see if you hear what Jefferson is saying. And then, you know, and they're again to your point, there's some friends you want to just have be so conversational and this, but can you look at it and say,

is there words I can take out? Because the thing I'm obsessed with about this conversation so far, one of the many things is this idea that, okay, you take us step forward in communicating more assertive, you build more confidence. Yeah. And it becomes this, this snowball. And I love this, because this isn't easy step to take. It is incredibly easy. It's just taking the time to do it. So before you press enter on that email or that text, it's just rereading it to say, am I, do I have things

in here that are fluff that are just weighing down my words? And most often, you do. It's, there's nothing wrong with it. It's casual conversation, but when it comes to saying things assertively, it's best to get rid of it. When we are in a group, let's say we're around new moms of the school, and we're like, do I fit in or let's say we're at a meeting at work or, you know, so many

“of us, I talk about this example a lot that I can remember being a little girl in the class. Like,”

I always just know the answer, I raise my hand. I remember like the moment I stopped raising my hand,

even even when I knew the answer, because like, what if I was wrong? What if I self-doubt started to kick in? And, you know, what that looks like for so many people now, when you look at the

And a lot of times we doubt ourselves out of even saying what we have to say are raising our hand,

“or speaking up. So to use the example of being in a meeting at work, or on a team zoom, you know,”

or a group zoom, and we want to speak up, but we're scared and self-doubt starts to kick in, when we talk about how we can be more assertive, Jefferson, in that moment when you're on everyone's been here, when you're on the zoom, you have the idea, you want to share it? Yes. Everyone might hate it, it might be horrible. You don't know, but your heart starts racing, and what do you do in that moment? Yes. To become more assertive. Let me give you a quick little tip that

they can use right away. Yes. Put in percentages. So when somebody, you want to put out an idea to the table, but you're afraid, it's going to sound silly. You're afraid it's going to sound dumb. At a percentage, you say, all right, I got 10% of an idea. I need you to help with the other 90%. See, it's the concept of, I'm not, I may not be 100% convinced on this idea. In fact, I know that I'm not, but I want to contribute, and even 50% even 10% of an idea is worth sharing. So when you

can put it in, I have about 20% of a thought here, and then you say it, you're communicating to everybody else. This is not fully thought out, because if you don't, what happens? You give a thought,

somebody shoots it down. You give out an idea, something that's not that's never going to work.

But when you give a percentage, and say, like, I've 30% of an idea, then you're telling them, I need you to fill in the other 70%. They're space in here. This is not a finished concept. So, I mean, typically, when you offer up that idea, people expect that it's a finished product, there's a bow on it, and it's there's to, they have to go with it. It's if it's the idea's done. Yeah. Using percentages shows it's a working progress, and more so that they are there to help

fill it in. That's the whole point of brainstorming. Yeah, that's so good. The percentage is help. And if it's something you're so sure of, and you can't wait to share, you can be like, so I've got 90% of an idea. Yeah, you're guys help with the other 10%, like whatever thing, or I've got 50% of an idea. Yeah. That's really good. And then also, if for some reason, it's just a big flop of the group, which, by the way, does not mean it's a big flop,

but just a big flop of that group. Yeah. And it's not a vibe of, you got it shot down,

but there's a collaboration. But I'm a million percent, and another little tip that they can

use right this moment is using the word confident, more often, instead of, I can do that. I'm confident, I can do that. If you're in an interview, if you just say, well, let's put it in, I like the scenarios. So, if you're interviewing me, and you're asking how I feel about coming

“here, and I go, yeah, I think I can add some real value here. Versus, I'm confident I can add value here.”

I mean, which one, which one sounds better? I mean, like a huge difference. Huge difference. Instead of, I think I can do the, I think I can be a big team player. I think I can add a, you know, I can add to this community. I'm confident I can add to this community. Boom. I mean, all of a sudden, just by using the word, you not only feel confident, you sound confident to the other person, and by using it, it's like a, it's a double trigger. Not only do you

sound more confident all of a sudden, you become that quality, and they're going to write down those notes, very confident. Just because you used that word. So, it can be a very powerful tool, just using the word, more often. Wow, even in friendship, you got a friend, you know, you have a new friend, you're going to coffee with them, and they share something about it, or share something they need, or this or that. You, you know, or they're like, "Oh, I really, you know, I like when

friends ask me how I feel, even just saying back, I'm confident I can do that." Yes, yes, yes. It's it. Yeah. Yeah, if it's somebody saying, "You're probably not going to listen, you go, "No, I'm confident that I can." Yeah, yeah, it's this, this, no, I'm here. I'm good. And now you just feel like you're

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