James Talarico The Interview: Fighting to Flip Tables + Take Texas, Christianity & the Country Back

You're not going to believe this, but...

I've never heard you share that before. I've never heard you.

Never heard you talk about this, and that's a big thing to say. James Calarico is arguably the hottest rising star in the US politics right now. Do you need to run for president? We need someone who's actually a good person. A new poll has James Calarico leading.

The 8th generation Texan former middle school teacher in Presbyterian Seminarian is a four-term Texas state rep described by many as a "workhorse" not a showhorse. After passing several bills in his state by bringing together both Democrats and Republicans alike. Whether you're a little more progressive or a little more conservative, whether you like Democrats or like Republicans, we're all getting screwed.

None of us can afford our housing. None of us can afford child care. None of us can afford our prescription drugs. None of us can afford to put our kids through college. The only minority destroying America is the billionaires. The biggest divide in our politics is not left versus right. It's top versus bottom. His current U.S. Senate campaign has catapulted him into the national spotlight,

and sparked national debate and outrage over his fight against Christian nationalism. And I would define Christian nationalism as the worship of power in the name of Christ. Their candidate is whacked out the insult to Jesus.

“I mean, it's an insult. He's actually, I think he's grossly incompetent.”

Tolorica, Tolorica. The president of the United States just said that I insulted Jesus. You want to know what insults Jesus kicking the sick off their health care while cutting taxes for billionaires. You know what insults Jesus? Covering up the Epstein files and then refusing to prosecute a single person in them. His vow to end corruption in politics.

You have made a lot of money personally, and you've enriched a lot of corporations with advertising by getting on here and spewing lies and conspiracy theories to folks who trust the Pope. And exactly why his national media appearances seem to be causing so much commotion. It's not the first time you've caused some drama. FCC opening probe into the view after appearance by Tolorica.

Do you mean to cause trouble?

“I think that Donald Trump is worried that we're about to flip taxes.”

Causing many to draw comparisons between Tolorica and some of the most inspiring icons in our country's history. Influencers doing side-by-side photos of you and JFK. You've been drawing some pretty large crowds. You had a large crowd here. Some people talking about when they hear you speak or remind them of Obama and the 2004 DNC, where they just felt hope ignited again.

When you hear these type of comparisons, what do you think?

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“I think a lot of people are surprised that you just said,”

"Where I ask all the questions you wrote in and want to know. If you talk so much about your niece loving your niece, be with Jane." And I've seen your girlfriend playing with your niece, and how much you love kids. Do you want kids one day? What is your plan to reduce crime?

Can Paxton's crimes are well known? I would say that John Kornin is even more corrupt than can Paxton. You've been rushing it with fundraising. You've raised more than any U.S. Senate candidate in U.S. History Q1. Is that sustainable on term?

I have to ask you the question. Will you one day run for President? This is fascinating. Yeah. Why don't you stop fighting you?

Yeah, yeah.

Two thousand years ago, when the powerful few at the top hurt those at the bottom.

That barefoot rabbi didn't stay in his room in prey.

To those who love this country, to those who love our neighbors, it's time to start flipping tables. So today, if you're ready to leave feeling inspired, if you're ready to ignite hope inside of you for the future of our country,

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JamieKernlima is so inspiring. JamieKernlima. James Tolerico. Welcome to the JamieKernlima show. Thank you for having me. I'm really honored to be here.

James, you are in the middle of one of the highest profile US Senate races in our country's history. You went from a middle school teacher to a four-term text estate rep. And so many of your stances on issues have gone viral. Right? There isn't any people of every party across the country, across the world.

So you've turned these powerful movements into what are now becoming sort of movements powered by people all across the country.

“Why are you and your message resonating in such a huge way?”

I feel like people across the political spectrum are really hungry for a different kind of politics. We've had a politics over the last ten years that makes us feel angry, makes us feel afraid. But we haven't had a politics that makes us feel hopeful. That makes us feel excited about the future. And I do feel like that's the kind of politics we're building in Texas in this campaign. And I just, I feel so lucky to be a part of it.

It really is a lot bigger than me at this point. We have 40,000 people who have signed up to volunteer for our campaign. People who are knocking doors and making phone calls and sending texts and postcards. And it really is just so exciting to see what's happening on the ground in Texas. And the way that this campaign is making people feel hopeful about the future, not just in our state, but across the country.

And so I feel a lot of responsibility because there's a lot riding on all this.

But I think if we do what we need to do, we're going to pull this off and we're going to shock everyone by winning this seat in Texas in November.

It's wild. I have friends all across the country that are Republicans that are Democrats. And it's almost like it doesn't matter. They're all excited about your campaign and talking about it, even outside of Texas. But I have friends inside of Texas who are hardcore Republicans who are planning to vote for you.

“So do you think that's because of your messaging of people are tired of maybe feeling like they're divided?”

I do. I do. And I hear that from people at our events all over the state. You know, I've done rallies and town halls now in every corner of Texas from Beaumont to El Paso from Amarillo up in the Panhandle all the way down to Brownsville in the Rio Grande Valley. And everywhere we do events, you know, I stay till the very end. I shake every hand. I take every selfie. I answer every question. And so I get to hear from people one on one. And no matter where I go in the state, I have people who come up to me and whisper, I'm not a Democrat.

Like they're in the witness protection program or something.

And a lot of people who say this is the first campaign they've ever gotten involved with.

Or the first and they've ever showed up at a political event, a political rally or a town hall. And so I do feel like we are building a coalition that is bigger than the Democratic Party. It's bigger than the Republican Party. It includes a lot of people who are participating for the first time. And who desperately want to see a better politics and who want to see a senator who's actually going to fight for them in their families. You know, you have a really great life before this campaign for a term.

State rep, you know, you can go hang out with people, eat some barbecue, do whatever you want to do. But you're running for one of the highest profile race as you've been catapulted into the national spotlight.

“So, why are you running for such a huge office and taking this on?”

Because I'm imagining it's a whole lot to carry. Yeah, well, before I was ever in a elected office, I was a school teacher. I taught sixth grade language arts at Rhodes Middle School, shout out to Rhodes and the Wildcats. The West Side of San Antonio is a beautiful historic neighborhood. It's also one of the poorest zip codes in the whole state of Texas.

And so I saw firsthand how decisions made in the halls of power. Whether it's the halls of the state capital, or the halls of our national capital hurt students like the ones that I taught hurt communities like the West Side. And that's really what pushed me into into policy and politics.

I first ran for the state house in 2018.

I was a Democrat running in a Trump district in a county that was so red. It hadn't voted for a Democrat since Jimmy Carter for president. And so I had to build a big coalition. I had to bring a lot of people together across all these lines to win that seat. We ended up flipping that district on election night, shocking the political world in Texas.

And now I'm in my fourth term in the state house where I've built those big coalitions to pass major policy that helps people in our state. I've had to go toe to toe with some of the mega donors that control Texas politics. I've had to speak truth to power. And I've had to work across the aisle to pass bills that actually lower people's costs and help people get ahead in this economy.

“I think all of those fights that I've been involved with and leading at the state capital are now even more urgent at our nation's capital.”

The fight against corruption, the fight to lower costs, the fight to make government work for regular people. And I think I've developed a skill set in the trenches of the Texas legislature, which is not an easy place to work. Certainly as a Democrat. And I want to take those skills, take those fights to where they're needed most on behalf of the people in my state. Your Presbyterian seminarian and your views on Christianity have really united a lot of people around the country.

I was a whole lot of shocking awe in some circles. Can you share about your faith about where it comes from and about the message that you're sharing that seems to be really, I mean, really creating a connection with so many people. Well, and you and I have talked about this a lot because I know we're both people of faith and our faith is very important to both of us. And so the message that I'm that I'm trying to share either on the campaign trail or from pulpits across the state when I'm preaching as a seminarian.

It's the same message of love thy neighbor. And that's a very old message that comes from all the major world religions that has been championed by some of our heroes throughout American history.

And it feels like in this moment when democracy is in trouble, both here and abroad, like we have to figure out how to love our neighbors again, especially our neighbors who are different from us, our neighbors who disagree with us.

We've got to find a way to love each other through those disagreements and those differences, otherwise this American experiment won't last.

“And so I'm trying to bring some of those teachings from our tradition into the political sphere, because I think they're needed now more than ever before.”

Can you talk about your granddad? Yeah. Yeah. So my granddad was a Baptist preacher in South Texas, and I was, I was named after him.

So when I was growing up, he was always a big Jimmy and I was a little Jimmy.

That was that family gathering, so they were able to tell us apart when one of us was getting called out for something. And he always told me that Christianity is a simple religion, not an easy religion. He would always clarify, but a simple religion, because Jesus gave us these two commandments to follow, love God and love neighbor. And that second commandment is really what set me on the course I'm on now.

The reason I signed up to be a public school teacher on the West Side of San Antonio was that commitment to love my neighbor as myself.

The reason I ran for the state house was to try to follow that commitment and to try to craft public policies that are going to help my neighbor. It's going to make my neighbor's life a little easier, a little less stressful. And I was able to pass those bills because I was able to love my colleagues, my neighbors in the state legislature, even when we disagreed on other issues.

“I was always trying to remember that everyone I come across is the expression of a divine source.”

Every person that I meet is the bearer of a sacred image. And I forget that all the time we all forget it all the time, but the more that I can hold on to that and remember that, especially in my political work. I think the more effective I am on bringing people over who may not agree with me on a lot of other issues. The more I am able to serve my constituents and make their lives better, it is valuing each and every person and valuing their humanity. And that really stems from those teachings that my granddad passed on to me and that Jesus has still communicating to us 2,000 years later.

And you talk about loving your neighbors. I love God, loving your neighbor if you truly love your neighbor, it's your atheist neighbors, your Buddhist neighbors, your LGBTQ neighbors, all of your neighbors, and documented neighbors.

“You talk about that a lot. And I think for a lot of people, like, oh, yeah.”

Well, and anyone who has read the New Testament quickly finds out that those are the neighbors were specifically called to love. It's our neighbors who are the most different from us. Because it's really easy to love your neighbor who looks like you, who praise like you, who votes like you. That's not a challenge. The challenges to love people who look differently, who pray differently, who vote differently. And when you read Jesus' parables, the hero is almost always someone who is on the outside, who's on the margins, who's different and despised.

And that's who we're called to love as ourselves. And it's not easy. But I think if we figure out how to do that, we're going to save this American experiment. We're going to rebuild our communities that have been torn apart by forces much bigger than the, the nurses and individuals. And we'll be able to get this, this country and this world back on track. So many people are searching for meaning and they may be feel like, huh, maybe I want faith in my life or something bigger than myself. But then they see these examples of people who maybe claim their Christian, but their actions look a whole lot more like hate than they do love.

They see politicians who run on Christian platforms, but then they're like, well, wait a minute, that doesn't seem like that feels congruent or aligned. And so then a lot of people actually stay away from faith because they're worried that they're going to be disqualified or they're going to be judged or they're going to be, you know, expected to be divisive or to hate other people or to be exclusionary. Can you talk about something that I know is a huge passion of yours that I think a lot of people are maybe starting to be aware of.

So I would define Christian nationalism as the worship of power in the name of Christ. We need a pause for a super brief break and while we do take a moment to share this episode with every single person that you know who this could inspire. Because this conversation can truly be the words and inspiration they need to hear today to keep going.

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Imagine what you do if you fully believed in you. It's time to find out with Worthy. And now more of this incredible conversation together. Can you talk about Christian nationalism and what people should know what it is? How does it affect them? So I would define Christian nationalism as the worship of power in the name of Christ.

And I define it really broadly so that we can see different forms of Christian nationalism rearing its head throughout the history of the church.

Because our religion has always struggled with its relationship with power and something Jesus warns us about.

One of the things the devil offers to Jesus out in the wilderness is political power, all the kingdoms of the world and Jesus rejects it. Jesus tells his disciples on a regular basis to think of power differently, to think of power with rather than power over.

“If you want to be a leader you have to be a servant to others.”

That idea of servant leadership is redefining our relationship with power, specifically political power. And so that struggle is alive and well today. And so you see many of our fellow Christians specifically those who serve in elected office. They are attempting to use their power as elected officials and the power of the state, the power of the government to force their understanding of Christianity down other people's throats. Specifically our Jewish Muslim Hindu Buddhist Sikh atheist agnostic neighbors and those are the exact neighbors who we are called to love as ourselves.

And I don't know about you, Jamie, but I don't want anyone's religion forced down my throat.

So why would I do that to anyone else?

I think that's the basic test we have to apply. And so again, I think we have to have a real conversation within the church, within Christian communities about what is our relationship with power. Because in my mind as a Christian power that is not shared is also domination. And in democracy it's all about sharing power. We acknowledge the power is real and that it has consequences. And we commit to sharing that together as a nation, as communities. And I think that's where we have to strive.

“Theocracy in my mind is the most dangerous form of government because the only thing worse than a tyrant is a tyrant who thinks they're on a mission from God.”

And that's why our faith in Jesus should lead us away from theocracy, away from tyranny, away from Christian nationalism. And toward a multiracial, multicultural democracy where we can all freely love God and fully love our neighbors.

A lot of people don't know this. But during your first campaign, you almost fell into a diabetic coma. You almost died. What was it like to find out you were diabetic in your 20s?

So in my very first campaign, back in 2018, I was running for the state house. And I decided to walk the entire length of my district from roundrock taxes to Taylor taxes.

“And while I wanted to, you know, so much of politics now is filtered, sometimes literally, but also just there's so many layers between me and the people that I seek to represent.”

There's the traditional media, there's social media, there's algorithms, platforms, there's staff campaign staff and and interviewers. There's all these layers in between a person running for office and the people they seek to represent. And so I was trying to figure out how could we tear down some of those filters. How could we break some of those walls in between me and the people in my community. And so I had this idea of just walking the length of the district on foot all in one day and holding three town halls along the way.

And so it was 25 miles did it all in the Texas heat did it all on foot. I wasn't worried about my ability to do the walk. I was 28 years old, perfectly healthy. I hike big bend every year.

“And so I wasn't worried about my ability to pull it off halfway through the walk. I started to feel fatigued and a little nauseous.”

I threw up a couple times along the walk. Somehow I finished the whole thing finished the last town hall. I figured I was just dehydrated. And so I went to went to bed. I thought I just needed a good night's sleep and I ended up sleeping for 36 hours straight. My family got concerned. They took me to the ER, nurses checked my blood sugar. I don't, I don't think I'd ever had my blood sugar tested before. I wasn't even really sure what blood sugar was. And they told me that a normal blood sugar is 100 or lower. Mine was 900. So I was in a state of diabetic keto acidosis, which leads to coma and death without insulin.

And so I was lucky to be alive. Very thankful for the doctors and nurses in Williams County, who brought me back to health.

I left the ICU to go pick up my first 30 days supply of insulin. This new medicine that I now needed to live every day.

And that 30 days supply of insulin cost me $684. And I didn't have that kind of money. I put it on a credit card. And I learned that Texans like me with diabetes, particularly type 1 diabetes, are rationing or skipping doses, because they can't afford their insulin, the medicine that they need. And so when I won that seed, I brought Democrats and Republicans together. I took on big pharma and their lobbyists. And we passed a bill that caps insulin copays in the state of Texas at $25 per prescription. So from 684 to 25.

That is what's possible when you bring people together to take on the special interests that have corrupted our government at our expense. And that was just a personal example. But we're trying to do that across issue areas for Texans who desperately need a government's going to work for them. The number of bills you've passed by bringing Democrats and Republicans together is why people call you recourse not so whores. And like it's just it's really, I wish every person in office no matter their party wouldn't be able to do that.

And that's a it's a it's a blessing in disguise because it forces you to get outside of your comfort zone to work with folks who you may not always agree with.

And and hopefully come to to some kind of common ground, you know, I, I think it's because like I grew up with Republicans like every one of my teachers grown up was a card carrying Republican. They loved me deeply. I loved them. I have so many family members who vote Republican, so many friends who I grew up with who voted for Donald Trump in the last election. And I love these people. These people are are such integral parts of my life and and a part of me as a person. And so, you know, I can't cancel them. I can't write them off because they're a part of my life.

And I just feel like that that is a blessing because it helps me to see my political opponents as human beings first. It allows me to connect with them.

“And it allows us to find common ground and actually make some progress. And I feel like that's what our politics needs at every level in both political parties.”

And it's why competitive elections, why breaking one party rule, he in Texas is so important because one party rule always leads to extremism and corruption.

Whether it's the Republican party in Texas or the Democratic party elsewhere, you need that competition. So it forces lawmakers and both parties to work together to talk to one another to compromise. We have that in Texas right now because we've had one party rule for 30 years. You see a lot of extremism. You see a lot of corruption in our state. And I think it's why people are hungry for a change. You know, I'm the same. I think a lot of people resonate with what you just said. I mean, my family, I have five families. I'm adopted. It's the whole story.

I mean, I have family members that are die hard trump supporters. It doesn't matter what happens. I have family members that think those family members are nuts. And they don't understand that for anything. And you know, it's I love like it's why on the show I've had Republicans.

“I've had Democrats. I've had independence. I feel like in order for us to help heal humanity through love. We have to understand the humans that make it up.”

But for you, I want to ask you this because a lot of people want to know this question. You know, a lot of people wrote in questions. Because we're going to dive into all the topics. Nothing's off limits, which I love. So thank you for that. And so much coming young, ready. But you know, one of the big questions was, you know, where you're at politically, specifically, share with us. And can you share with us why you're a Democrat? And also where you would sort of place yourself on or classify yourself in terms of all the ways people

can classify you as centrist, a, you know, socialist, you know, you heal everything. So I would love to hear it in your words. Yeah, well, one, I just, I detest this, this need that we have in our politics to put us all in containers. And it is strong. I've had so many people trying to figure out where to how to label me.

“And we do that to each other. And we do it as a shorthand. And I think it's part of what flattens us because the honest truth is, and I'm sure your family members would agree.”

We have all these things inside of us, right? There are some issues where I'm a little more conservative, some issues where I'm a little moderate, some issues where I'm a little more progressive.

And I always try to do what I think is best, even if it's bucking my own party to do it. And I've done that a bunch of times in the text of the legislature.

And so, you know, I think about in, in our faith tradition, the, the, the tree that Adam and Eve ate from was the tree of knowledge of good and evil. And it's that dualistic thinking, it's the trying to make things black or white, this or that that gets us in so much trouble in our politics. And it's what I'm trying to avoid as much as I can in this campaign, because I think these are oftentimes false choices. And it, it allows us to, it allows us to look past some of the complexities in our politics and policy making.

But if I was to give a label for myself, I would call myself a Texas Democrat, this seat that I'm running for is Lyndon Johnson seat, LBJ's Senate seat. And LBJ, he's from the Texas Hill Country Central Texas, which is where I'm from. He was a former teacher before a ramp for office. So I have a lot of, I feel a lot of connection to LBJ and his legacy.

He was able to, to really see what was wrong in this country and have bold solutions for how to transform it, not nibble around the edges.

But I mean, I'm talking about Medicare, Medicaid, Head Start and Title 1, the War on Poverty Civil Rights Act, voting rights act. I mean, he, he would big. He was able to marry that bold imagination with practical politics coalition building, reaching out to people on the other side, building a team that could actually pass these policies, implement them and sustain them.

“And that kind of, that marriage between pragmatic politics and bold, moral imagination. I feel like that is the key to success for the Democratic Party moving forward.”

We have to hold both of those things together like LBJ did, like Dr. King did, because that's how they're able to pass the great society. And if we want to do that for our generation, if we want to have a, if we want to have bold action, that's going to restructure this economy, restructure this political system, so that it works for regular people again.

We're going to need to have those two things together. And I think it's only appropriate that the person who holds LBJ Senate seat brings those two things together in the U.S. Senate.

Holding LBJ Senate seat makes me think about how right now anybody who Googles you, they will see comparisons all over online with people comparing you to JFK, people talking about how impactful some of your talks are and how moving they are. Those influencers doing side by side photos of you in JFK. Oh, I mean, it's, it's a whole wild world out there. When you, when you hear those comparisons, some people talking about when they hear you speak, it reminds them of Obama and the 2004 DNC, where they just felt hope ignited again. When you hear these type of comparisons, what do you think?

which reveals a hunger for someone under the age of 80 to run for office. You know, I love our senior lawmakers and legislators, but I do think people, especially the Democratic Party are hungry for a new generation to step up.

“And that's what we saw in the Kennedy's, that's what we saw in President Obama was young”

people stepping up to lead. And I think that's so important right now because young people

are able to see the world a new and dream of the way things ought to be. And I think we've, we've really been lacking for that. I think we, we've been missing that inspiration and that vision that really only young candidates can provide. So I'm very flattered by any of those comparisons. I do think it reveals something a little deeper, which is that folks are ready for the next generation to step up. Well, we're going to dive into all

the hot topic. Okay. There's so much coming up, especially on some of your most widely debated issues. Yeah. But one thing I love to do on this show is really, um, dive into sort of the story behind the story and the, through the person really truly is. Yeah. And I really want to get to know the man behind the movement. Yeah. And I know for you, um, your mom has been influential hero in your life. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it was just

me and her. Um, right after I was born, uh, she was a preacher's daughter from South Texas from L'Arrito right there on our on our southern border. And, uh, she left home at 19. She, she, she, like me, has a, a rebellious streak. Um, she, you know, has a problem with authority, uh, sometimes and has no problems speaking truth to power. And so when she was 19,

“you know, she, I think was ready to leave the L'Arrito behind and strike out on her own”

and build her own life. Um, and so she moved up to Austin, Texas, the big city. And that was where she met my birth father, who was a, um, 21 year old high school dropout. Uh, he had a drinking problem. And, um, he, sometimes would become abusive. And, uh, after I was born, uh, he, one night got physical again, and that night, I think my mother's rebellious streak and her love for me came together at just the right moment. And she decided to leave.

She packed all our stuff into her little four desk court. Um, she drove me to the hotel where she worked. She begged the manager to let us stay in one of the rooms until we found this,

Uh, there wasn't room for like a separate nursery. And, uh, and so I slept in a, uh,

“crib and her closet. And she was so proud of that closet. She talks about how she decorated it”

with toys and pictures like it looked like a nursery. Um, that to me has just always been like a symbol

of her love, um, the kind of love that single parents, um, that all parents, uh, around this, this country have for their kids. The links, we will go to fight for the people that we love. Um, so it's always just been, you know, it's her story. But, um, it's always been such an inspiration to me, um, and has really shaped my life and shaped my service. Well, I want to pull something out. A photo that your mom posted. Okay. Okay. Have her hugging you, um, giving you a kiss.

And she wrote, uh, I got to vote for Jimmy for the first time today. I hope no one heard me crying in the booth. That's funny. Yes, I remember this. Um, yeah, this was in, um, my first race in

“house district 50. Um, and she, she came to vote with me. And, you know, I think it was a very emotional”

experience, uh, for both of us, that apartment that I was just telling you about is in my

legislative district. Um, so I, I represent that apartment in the state capital in the closet. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, I think her being able to vote for, vote for me to be her state rep and to fight for her, um, was a, was a, was a special moment to say at least. When you see her in that photo and, and she's able to share with the world how proud she is of you. How does it make you feel? All I can think about here is, um, how much I rolled my eyes before she asked me to take this photo.

Because she was, she, we were out there. We took like a regular photo, right? Side by side, smiling. And then she was like, "Can I do one kissing you?" And like, you know, there were other people around. My campaign team was around and I'm going to have my mom kiss me. But, um, you know, you can't say no. So, uh, I indulged her for this photo. And, uh, and this is the one she decided to post. So, um, but no, this is such a, it was a really special moment and, and, um, you know,

I would not, would not be here sitting for this interview would not be a state representative. Certainly wouldn't be running for the U.S. Senate, if it wasn't for her, uh, so I owe everything to her. So, she gets her silly picture. Uh, that's her picture. Yeah, that's at least I could do. Uh, we don't often hear about your adopted dad, Marc Talleriko, and you're out there

“on the campaign trail. Can you tell us about him and his role in your life?”

Yeah, and thank you for asking, because, you know, my mom and her story, her personality, like she, she gets a lot of attention and not a lot of people, um, ask about my adoptive dad, because, uh, you know, I, I've said before the luckiest thing that has ever happened to me in my whole life and I'm a lucky person, a very lucky person. The luckiest thing that ever happened when he was meeting Marc Talleriko, um, he, he fell in love with my mom, uh, and then fell in love

with me, and adopted me and gave me his last name, raised me as his own. Um, there's been, there's been so much conversation in this country in recent years about, um, about what it means to be a man. Yeah. What it means to be a young man, um, and I know young men are being, you know, there are these predatory algorithms that are taking advantage of young men all over this country, the, like, model for me for what a man is, is my dad, um, I'll just tell you, just one example,

every Saturday he would move along. He's still most along, like he, you know, I've tried to urge him to get, like, to pay someone to move along or pay a kid in the call this act to move

to move along, but he won't, like he, he always does it himself. And when we were growing up,

he would move our lawn, and then he would move our next door neighbor's lawn, because she was, um, elderly, she was a widow, and I, he would do it and never talk about it. Um, and, and I don't even know if she asked him to do it, he just, it was like, it was his responsibility, um, and, and not just her responsibility for me and my sister and, and, and mom, our immediate family, it was, it was her, it was her responsibility to, like,

everyone around him, including Nita, um, our next door neighbor. And that just always struck me as, like, that's exactly what a man, a father should be, someone who takes responsibility,

kind of person he is always honest, um, always doing the right thing, always helping other people,

just the most remarkable man I know. And I'm like, so lucky I had that as the model, um, when I was growing up, and you've already heard about my mother. So like, I just, I hit the parent lottery, the jackpot, uh, uh, I owe everything to both of them, um, and, uh, so thanks for

“asking about him. To say that he is the best thing that's, for sure.”

Hop, I've never heard you share that before. I've never heard you, never heard you talk about this, and that's a big thing to say, and he's probably going to watch this in cry.

Like, if I was in my childhood about me, yeah, as it's true, I just, um, my mother's a remarkable

person. And I already said I would not be here if it wasn't for her and her, her active, of her wisdom. And, um, but I feel like my, um, my dad gave me so many gifts, um, taught me so much about responsibility. Um, I was here. Let me just tell you this. Like, I was, um, like, I told you my mom has a rebellious streak, and I told you I have the same one. And when I was younger, that very much manifested, um, and you're not going to believe this, but I was like a problem kid at school. Like, I acted

out a lot. I talked when I wasn't supposed to. I talked back when I wasn't supposed to, um, got in trouble with authority figures a lot. Got in trouble a lot. It was in detention and, um, you know, and all that stuff. Uh, and I feel like it was my dad's leadership as, as my father, as, as, um, as the person to kind of, um, rain some of that in, um, because every kid needs that, uh, and, um, and so I feel like that structure, um, that example is what allowed me to kind of harness some of

those impulses and channel them in more productive ways, right? Because now, I take that impulse of

“speaking truth to power, and I do it on the house floor on behalf of my constituents, right?”

Calling out big pharma, calling out, you know, uh, billionaire mega donors, like, I mean, will do that because, um, I've channeled that, um, that trait into something that's useful and productive for the world. And I think my dad is really who, who, through his raising helped me do that. So I just, I, I kind of just, I give him so much of the credit for, um, the person I am today, and, um, the work that I get to do, um, I don't know if I would be doing any of this, um,

if my dad hadn't raised me into the, the man I am today. This is fascinating. Yeah. You're born with that fight in you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then we, we're seeing it playing out right now. Yeah. In a lot of areas that people are

“really passionate about. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And talk about your sister and one of the favorite”

women in your entire life, favorite little girls in your entire life, you're, you're, you're niece, yes. Yes. Um, I also don't get talk about Madeline a whole lot. Madeline's my sister. Um, you know, Madeline was born, um, 10 weeks premature, um, and it was a frightening, um, pregnancy, frightening delivery, and doctors weren't sure if she was going to make it. They told us she wasn't going to be able to talk or walk, um, and my mom was in the, um, in the hospital for so long

that her boss, uh, called her and fired her over the phone. So there she was with a baby struggling to survive, no job, um, another kid who needs to be watched, my dad took on extra work to kind of keep our family afloat. Um, every night, mom went to go, um, be with Madeline in the NICU, um, and, and to make sure that someone was taking care of me, our church, saying Andrews, they created

a babysitting tree to make sure there was always someone with me every night. So mom and dad

could be at the hospital. And like that to me is the, since, um, we're both believers, that's the body of Christ. Um, and, and, and so our church kind of kept us afloat in that moment when our family, needed at the most, um, anyway, Madeline got out of the NICU. She learned to walk. She learned to talk. She became a successful accountant. She married my brother-in-law, uh, Matt, uh, who was an army doctor and now they have my baby niece Jane, um, and baby, baby Jane looks a lot like Madeline when she was

little. Um, so she reminds us all of of of Madeline, um, and they all live, uh, about 15 minutes from me. So I get to be with them a lot. Well, since the campaign started, it hasn't been a lot, but whenever

of our lives. Um, she's the first of that generation for our whole extended family. Um, so not even

just our immediate. But aunts uncles, cousins, like, she's the first of this new generation. And so she's just, we're all obsessed with her and she gets all our attention. All of our, um, our lock screens are, are some kind of picture of Jane, uh, and, uh, we renamed the family group chat to Jane's fan club, um, because it's just Jane content all day long. Um, but it is just so special to watch her grow into a, um, a very curious, uh, silly, um, and very kind, toddler, um, and, you know, the hope

is that we're going to build the Texas that's worthy of her, because I worry about, you know,

the state that she's going to inherit and we'll she have, um, you know, good public schools to go to.

We'll she have clean air, clean water. We'll she have all her rights, um, you know, that's, so not only is she kind of a comfort, but she's also very much an inspiration, um, she reminds me of,

“like, why this is so important and what's the stake? Well, she have a job with AI. That's right.”

I'm going to ask you about that's right. Yeah. It's wild James, the, when I asked right open the floor and asked, you know, ask anything of James Tyler, we go, what do you want to know? What questions do you want to know? I expected the most popular questions to be maybe how you feel about, you know,

the Iran War or where you stand on particular topics. The biggest question, not even close,

the most popular question that we got asked is, are you single? Are you single? So you have a girlfriend? I do. I do. I do. I do. And she is, she is my rock. She is my best friend. I, I don't know if I could have gotten through the last six months of this crazy race if, um, if she hadn't been

“by my side. So, um, yeah, thanks for asking about her as well. And can you share how you've met?”

Yeah. Well, we, um, we actually worked together, uh, and then we became best friends. And then we fell in love and we've been together ever since. How is she handling everything happening right now? Well, I don't, I don't actually want any part of this running for a Senate. Um, and she's very proud of me and, um, very supportive. Um, but there's just been so many attacks, um, you know, coming at me and, um, coming at our team, coming at my church, my pastor. Um, and so, you know, what I'm trying

to do is protect her and my family and my friends from the impacts of this race. Because I signed up to run for the U.S. Senate. Yeah. Obviously, they did not, um, and, um, and so I'm trying to balance, um, running this race while also protecting them and protecting her in particular.

“I want to ask you about that because with all the political violence, do you worry for your safety?”

I don't worry about my safety. Um, I do worry about this democracy and whether it can sustain this level of political violence, this type of violent rhetoric. Um, so I worry for us as a whole. Um, but, you know, we, we take precautions to keep me and, and the team safe, um, keep our supporters safe at events, um, and I have every confidence in our, in our, in our security team, um, but I have a deep concerns about how we move forward together, how this American

experiment continues when we handle each other so carelessly. Yeah. Um, you know, you had asked earlier about like what's drawing people to this campaign, um, you and I are both people of faith, and we both know the importance of the sacraments, um, of these kind of sacred rituals, um, to get us in touch with, um, with God and, um, with our own spirits. I, I feel like we got to get to a point where we treat politics as a kind of sacrament. And I know that may seem strange.

You wouldn't think of sacrament and politics as being, um, in the same sentence, but, I mean, it is sacred work that we get to do in a democracy, whether we're a candidate, whether we're, um, someone interviewing a candidate, whether we're citizens and neighbors, like we get to shape our destinies together. And not requires that we enter into this work with kind of a spiritual mindset. I've said before that democracy is a spiritual practice. And so I think if we

each other as, um, as divine image bears, um, I think that could be a game changer for this American

experiment and not just here, but this experiment and democracy all over the world.

“You know, it feels like, uh, and it's a big concern. I think of a lot of people just what feels like”

a reinvigorated, if you will, um, surge of political violence and of threats and of divisiveness and of vitriol. And, you know, recently, you've been getting different types of threats and I just want to ask you, but that could you talk about being protective of your loved ones and your family and how they didn't sign up for this and you're entering this. And now you're in one of the

most highly watched US Senate races in history. You're getting attacks from the current administration

from the current president, which I'll dive into in a minute. But recently, you received a threat, uh, reportedly the Secretary of War Pete Heggseth pastor Brooks Pottiger called for your death, uh, to which you publicly replied, Jesus loves Christian nationalism kills. You may pray for my death pastor, but I still love you. I love you more than you could ever hate me, is how you replied. What are your thoughts on that and how did that moment impact your family or girlfriend? The people

you care about most? Because I'll be honest, I would start freak if it were me and I'm your mom. I'm your sister. I would be stressed eating some Texas barbecue for seven. I'd be freaking out. Yeah. How are you handling all this and on a very serious note? Yeah. When you hear this, how are you carrying this? Yeah. Well, again, you know, my top concern is for the

“people around me, um, for my family, for our team, for our supporters, um, and that's why we've”

taken precautions to make sure that everyone is protected. Um, but you know, when I when I first heard that, um, like any human being, um, you know, I had a lot of emotions, um, hurt, anger, fear.

But like I said earlier, I always try to remind myself that every single person that I come across

is a child of God, including someone who is praying for my death. And so when you when you take that seriously, um, then you start to ask yourself what leads a person to say that, um, what, where is their head out? Where is their heart out? What fear must they be feeling to lash out in that way? And then you start to realize that, you know, we all feel those those fears. Um, we're all worried about change. We're all trying to grasp on to some kind of

certainty, um, whether it's in our political ideology, our religion, um, whether it's with money and possessions and power and control. Like we're all, we're all those, you know, um, fearful, uh, little people at times. Um, and so once you can recognize that in yourself, it's, I think,

“easier to be compassionate. Um, and, um, and so that's why I put out that, that statement, um,”

because again, as a Christian, I'm called to love my enemies. Um, and, um, and it doesn't mean, it doesn't mean you don't speak truth to power. It doesn't mean you don't hold, um, people accountable. It doesn't mean you don't, um, stand up for your convictions, for your neighbors, especially your neighbors who are in harm's way, but it's, it means that we're supposed to do all those things, while still seeing the full humanity in our opponents. Um, and, um, you know, as someone who talks

about his faith a lot in public, I feel like an immense amount of responsibility to try to model some of these things for the people who are watching me. Um, and so if, you know, if there's someone who threatening or praying for your death as an extreme example, but we're constantly, um, in a democracy coming, coming up against people or groups who, um, are either intentionally or unintentionally trying to cause us harm. How do we deal with those people in a democracy? How are you supposed to

think about and feel about those people, um, if democracy's a spiritual practice? And, um, so that was my best attempt, um, when my, you know, my well-being was, was threatened by someone. Well, I want to know,

how can you do for fun outside work? I know you're a country music fan. I am. I have some texts

as barbecue. I do. Despite certain people calling you vegan, you apparently, I know you love brisket, you love vegan was not one of the, um, one of the accusations that that was going to get thrown around this campaign, but it, it has to be. You're a huge fan of pulled pork sandwiches, barbecue, and brisket. I am, I am. Yeah, you know, I, I don't get a lot of time off the campaign trail these days, um, but when I do, uh, obviously it's, um, most of the time it's spent with,

“family, um, spent with friends, uh, spent with loved ones, um, because that's the best way for me to,”

to stay grounded, um, you know, I, um, I recently read, um, Project Hail Mary, um, which is a

sci-fi novel. It's now a movie. Um, and sometimes I feel like an astronaut who has been like

flung off into space, um, and being a candidate, uh, sometimes can be a lonely experience, even though you're surrounded by people all the time, you know, not everybody, um, you know, knows what it feels like to kind of go through something like this with the, the attacks that come your way and, and all that stuff. So, spending a limited free time I have with the people who know me in real life, who know me as a human being, not as a candidate or an idea, but as a flesh and blood person,

um, that's really important to keep me kind of tethered, um, to keep me sane through this adventure. But, you know, I also love being outdoors. I love hiking. I mentioned my love for big bend. I'll also give a shout out to, um, Lost Maples, which is a, uh, a state natural area in the hill country, um, and the, uh, the hiking bike trails around Austin. Um, uh, that's very much a way that I, uh, stay connected and grounded is being out in nature. And then last, I would say is, uh,

reading, um, I was a language arts teacher, and I, I've been a lover of books in my whole life. So, I have, I've fought so hard against a lot of these efforts to censor or ban books in Texas, because I know the power of, of, of books in my life and in the lives of, of, of students, um, and so reading is, is definitely a way that I relax and a way that I, um, try to, um, cultivate my own imagination and creativity, um, is through reading and, and so

if you were coming to my house, you would just see, like, a wall of books, uh, and books on the floor and books in the closet, um, and I don't do, um, Kindle or, or, um, the e-books just because like, I tried one time and there was like a dictionary feature we could look up words and I ended up

just like looking up tons of words and I never got past like the page I was on because I was

“to distracted, um, and so hard copy, old fashion books, so it's still the best way for me to, uh,”

to try to disconnect from the craziness that's happening all around me. You know, in, when you think about your personal life, you talk so much about your niece, loving your, your niece, baby Jane, have to ask you this. Don't kill me. Yeah. Don't kill me. Um, and I've seen your girlfriend playing with your niece and you know, how much you love kids, when we think about your future, do you want kids one day?

What, what do you, what can you share with us about her? When I used to like my mom, uh, asking when I'm, when I'm going to give her another grand baby, I definitely do. Um, I definitely do want to have kids one day. Um, you know, it's kind of hard in the middle of this campaign to think, you know, the next week ahead, um, certainly hard to think that far in advance, but um, it's definitely something that I want to do one day. You know, just seeing you talk

when you talk about your niece, it's like your eyes like that. Yeah. Well, and being, and being around, being around Jane, and being around my sister and brother-in-law, as they, as they embark on this adventure of parenthood, it has definitely confirmed in me that it's something I want to do. I've just seen, I've seen how it's, um, changed my sister and brother-in-law to, um, for the better. I mean, they're sleep deprived and stressed out and exhausted, but, um, their heart,

their hearts seem to be so much bigger now. Um, and they just seem to understand love in a way that,

“I think it's hard to understand without having kids, not that you can't, because a lot's people do,”

but um, it is definitely one way to tap into a deeper, bigger love, and um, and I definitely want the opportunity to experience that. For some reason, I'm just thinking about, you know, Michelle Obama

Turned out great. Yeah. I'll see Clinton. Great place for kids to grow at. I don't know what I'm

just thinking about it. Um, I want to talk about your campaign, though. So you've been rushing it with fundraising. Uh, you've raised more than any U.S. Senate candidate in U.S. history, Q1 of this year. Yeah. Is that right? Yes. What, congratulations on that. It really is. I know, I know that percentage and insanely high of donations under $100, just like a people-powered movement. Yeah. Can you talk about your fundraising strategy and what the heck is happening,

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not to take corporate PAC money. I've never taken corporate PAC money in my time and legislature

and I'm not doing it as a Senate candidate or as a senator and so this is a people-powered campaign. I think what's even more impressive than that big number is where it came from. It came from more than half a million people who donated their hard earned money to this race. 98% of the donations

“are under $100. You have to list your occupation, the most common profession out of all of”

our donors is teacher which as a former teacher just really fills my heart. So this is very much working people giving $5-10-15 at a time. Some of them are on a monthly plan, you know, just like you pay for Netflix or or a newspaper subscription. They are helping to fund a candidate that that can represent them in Washington DC. So yeah, I'm really proud of this people-powered movement that we've built. And you're the only candidate not taking corporate

PAC money. That's right. Is that sustainable long term? I think so. I think we're proving that

to give small amounts of money, then I don't think you need the corporate PACs. You don't need the the Walmart sort of the the Exxon mobile's of the world to fund your campaign. You know, I

as a legislator was always, you know, I had an open door policy when I was in the state house

to local businesses who employed my constituents. I'll have the same policy as a US senator. I want to work with our business leaders to make sure we support Texas businesses. They get small. I just don't think that corporate influences should have that much sway with a elected official. So it's why I've tried to limit the influence in my campaign, and hopefully in my senator office. You talk a lot about billionaires and their puppet politicians.

“I want to get granular for a minute on this. I think there's a super important. There's probably”

a lot of people watching this wondering who maybe know my story or my journey. So, you know, I feel so blessed to be one of many people who believe in and have lived the American dream. And I

remember working so many jobs. My parents were so hardworking. You know, I'm the first person

my family to go to college. But I'm a bird. You know, Denny's waitress. I remember just working so hard and eventually I built my own company from my living room. And eventually a thousand employees was able to sell it to L'Oreal, the biggest beauty company in the world for a whole lot of money. And can you talk about, can you talk about your passion behind talking about billionaires and their puppet politicians? Why people at home should care about this? And how you

“are so clear? And I think this is so powerful, James, when you talk about this, when you talk”

about how so many of us are focused on the wrong one percent, can you, can you share that? Because we still want people passionate about the American dream. Right, of course. You kind of explain, explain where you are there. Yeah, I mean, I, I really see this campaign as on a mission to revitalize that American dream that you lived, that a lot of people have had the privilege to live. But it's slipping out of reach for a lot of people. I saw a

staff that 90% of baby boomers went on to earn more money than their parents, which I think is a pretty fair definition of the American dream, right? Being more successful than the generation before you. For millennials, it's 50%. For Gen Z, it's even lower than that. So the American dream that was a reality for the vast majority of people in that generation is now slipping out of reach for millennials and Gen Z years. And that is not because our generations are lazy, it's because

the structure of the economy itself has changed over the last 50 years and the structure of our political system. Both of those systems, our economic and political systems, over the last 50 years were corrupted by the wealthiest people in this country, billionaires, billionaires, mega donors,

Elon Musk is now on track to become the world's first trillionaire. And they have rigged

through their donations to politicians, by buying politicians, they have rigged the economic system to benefit them at our expense. Through a whole bunch of different ways, taxes, regulation, jobs and industries and unions, the power to to organize all of these things in concert have led us to this moment where a person who's listening to this podcast right now in Texas can't afford to make their ends meet. They, they're trying to figure out where they're

going to get enough money to pay the mortgage and the child care bill and insurance and utilities and transportation. Now with gas prices rising and they're trying to figure out why do I feel like

“I'm drowning when I work hard? Why can't I seem to get ahead no matter how many hours I put in?”

And what I'm trying to point out is that it is the folks at the very top who've corrupted our political system and who've rigged the economy and their in their favor. That is the real problem. It's why I say that the real fight in this country is not left versus right. It's top versus bottom. Because whether you're a little more progressive or a little more conservative, whether you like Democrats or like Republicans, we're all getting screwed. None of us can afford

our housing. None of us can afford child care. None of us can afford our prescription drugs. None of us can afford to put our kids through college. And so we have to figure out how to

I'm not trying to demonize these billionaire mega donors. Again, loving my enemies.

“I think the world that we're going to build with shared prosperity, with more wealthy people who pay”

their fair share in taxes and who don't use all the loopholes to get out of it. I think that world is going to be better for all of us. Whether you're wealthy or whether you're working class. And I think it will lead to more success not less because I want people to be successful. I want people to live the dream that you've gotten to live. I've said before, I want an economy that creates more millionaires and fewer trillionaires. I want that success to be

to be broad-based. I want it to be shared. Just like we did in the 20th century, you know, when we

had the largest middle class in the world after the Second World War, we grew together as a country.

And it was the greatest economic prosperity we've experienced as a nation. And it was because

“wealthy people and corporations felt a responsibility to their fellow citizens. I think about”

the great American companies, GMG, they had a more expansive definition of shareholder. The shareholders weren't just the people who owned stocks in the company. It was the workers, the families of those workers, the customers, the community members, the nation. And so there was a sense of civic, there was a sense of corporate citizenship.

And I feel like over 50 years of trickle down economics, all that has gone out the window.

Now it is all just what can I do for me for our bottom line, for my very narrowly defined shareholders, and screw everybody else. And because those very wealthy people have bought politicians to help them rewrite these rules of the road, all the wealth that's been created of the last 50 years has gone to the top one percent. And none of it is shared by the people who actually created that wealth. Right? The people who made it possible. So all I'm advocating for, I'm not trying to demonize

billionaires. I feel like I'm trying to humanize billionaires. In fact, I'm trying to get us to see each other as part of one nation, one community to love our neighbors and hoarding a trillion dollars to yourself more money than you could spend in a hundred lifetimes. That is not love. And, you know, our fake traditions warn us about concentrated wealth and power and the danger of that. And so

“I'm trying to, I think in this campaign, bring us back to a point as a country where we are”

growing and thriving together as one community, rather than just the folks at the very top that are expense. And you think your fight to end corruption and government will bring it back to a place for your life. Great. The American Dream is live and well. Everyone can go for it. You can, you know, become a millionaire or a billionaire, but pay your taxes. Don't be in a situation where, oh, you're a billionaire and you're not paying taxes. But, oh, you're making 40,000 a year as a teacher and you're

paying a whole bunch of taxes. That's right. And that doesn't make sense. That's right. And you're trying to get it back to what's fair. But you're still pro American dream of successful build it. That's right. Yeah. Absolutely. And those two things are very much linked together. That American dream is is one that's only possible if we have an economy, if we have an government that works for all of us, not just the people at the very top. You know, the average taxon pays about 14% of their income

in federal income taxes. The 400 wealthiest Americans pay half that as a percentage. You know, I'm talking about the wrong number. I'm talking about as a percent of their income. And that just seems completely backwards to me. I think it seems backwards to everybody. And so I think we have to rewrite the rules of this economy. We have to reform this political system so that we can start to grow together again and revitalize that American dream so that more people can realize and fulfill

their God-given potential. It's wild. There's so many corporations that are making just phenomenal amounts of money, barely paying any taxes if any. And then they have employees that literally can't make enough money. They're having to apply for assistance while working there. And so that means you and I are subsidizing that corporation's bottom line. Yeah. Because if I'm putting my heart earned taxes into Medicaid to cover employees at Walmart, that means that I am subsidizing Walmart's

is that the most powerful people, the wealthiest people need to step up and do their fair share.

“And a lot of them do, which is great, but I think it can't just be, it can't just be the honor system”

anymore. We've got to close these loopholes. We've got to crack down on tax cheats and ensure that we are growing again together as a country and that everyone feels a sense of patriotism, economic patriotism, a sense of citizenship and and recognizes what they owe to this country. Because even those successful people were able to do it because they had people supporting them, they had schools educating them, they had infrastructure, they had roads to drive on to move

their products. Like it was, it was a partnership between that entrepreneur, their dream, their grit, their hard work and a community that fosters it and makes it possible. And so then there's a relationship between those two things. And that relationship has been severed over the last

“of two years. I think it's so powerful when you talk in real people language to real people.”

Yeah. And I think for decades people have heard, "Oh, corporate loopholes." And this, but they haven't actually understood that if you don't end corruption and government just how it impacts the fact that you cannot afford your rent, you kind of, I mean, and the amount of taxes people are paying that it's just, yeah, so I think that I think people are understanding why a lot of terms you would hear in the political world before, but not really understand how they impact you.

I think a lot of people are understanding how they're impacting them right now. That's right. And I think that's another reason people are really resonating about this stuff that you're talking about. I want to talk about crime. Because crime is a big issue for a whole lot of people and, you know, you're so, you're so passionate about love your neighbor, all of our neighbors. What if your

“neighbor is a criminal? And what is your plan to reduce problems? Yeah. I think public safety is”

the most important thing the government does. And again, I'm a former teacher, so I public education

is my passion, but I think public safety comes before everything. Because if you're not safe, if you don't have a safe neighborhood, if you're not secure in your home, if your family's not secure, it's really hard to care about anything else. And so we have to have policies that ensure public safety. If someone calls 911, a professional needs to answer that call and show it immediately. People need to feel safe in their neighborhoods, they need to feel safe in their homes.

And I have a record in the state legislature of supporting policies that promote public safety, supporting law enforcement, supporting border security, because I take public safety so seriously. And, and I do believe that's a part of loving by neighbor, wanting security and safety for your neighbors is how you show love. And if a neighbor threatens that security, then that person needs to be kept away from others for their own benefit. Because you don't want

them hurting other people. At the same time in our justice system, we have to be focused on rehabilitation whenever possible. I think those two things are not mutually exclusive. You can both ensure that violent criminals are locked up and be fighting for rehabilitation programs that can help people get back on their feet when that's possible. And I've fought for both those policies at the state capital, fought to have resources to crack down on crime and fought for justice reforms to ensure

that we are rehabilitating more inmates than we are now. Thinking about how I was watching a video

if you're talking about crime on YouTube. And the first thing I noticed by the way is all these

other politicians ads popping up, but are like literally bidding their ads or their teams are either campaigns are on any video you're on right now. And just to change the subject for a minute, I think this is fascinating because you're one of the most widely requested guests in the history of our show. So many people don't request it to have you on. A lot of people are talking about you everywhere. But in the research for our interview, I felt like every video I pulled up on YouTube,

there was other politicians ads on your video, which I think is is a huge compliment. I mean, I think that it's it's just an interesting moment right now. And I think you know anyone who's maybe listening to us right now on a podcast app, try this, go to YouTube, watch this interview on YouTube, watch what ads pop up for you. Like seriously, just right now, it's fascinating.

but I do want to ask you about Texas because we are days away from knowing who you're

“going to face in the Texas US Senate race in November. So you'll be facing either incumbent Senator”

John Kornin, who's a 74 year old, who's been in the seat for 24 years, which you talk about 80

year olds earlier. If he would be 80. Do you want to do a fun fact? Yeah. John Kornin was first

elected to public office six years before I was born. Wow. Yeah. So yeah, he's been there for a while. Or Texas attorney general Ken Paxton, a 63 year old who's been embroiled in lot of scandals and lawsuits for many years, including having been in peeged and later acquitted, I'd love to hear your thoughts on both possible opponents, starting with John Kornin. Well, so I actually don't think it matters who comes out of this runoff because we already

know who we're running against. We're running against those billionaire mega donors who have

corrupted our political system and have rigged the rules of this economy. This movement

we're building is a lot bigger than any one politician in my mind. Whether it's Kornin or Paxton, whether it's President Trump, like it's bigger than any of those personalities. Because we're we're trying to go after the system itself, right? That's producing the kind of corruption that you see from Ken Paxton or John Kornin. Because both of them have really forfeited their right to represent all of us in the U.S. Senate. Both of them have sold us out time and time again.

Ken Paxton's crimes are well known. I was part of the bipartisan majority in the Texas house that voted to impeach our corrupt attorney general. So I know his crimes better than most people do. But I would say that John Kornin is even more corrupt than Ken Paxton, which is surprising. I don't know if people were going to believe me when I say that. But John Kornin was the deciding vote on that big ugly bill last year that people we remember. It's a bill that is going to

kick millions of Texans off their healthcare. It's going to take food out of the mouths of hungry Texas children all to give yet another tax break to John Kornin's billionaire mega donors. And Ken Paxton was impeached for using his public office to enrich his donors in a very literal illegal way. But John Kornin at a massive scale is using his public office to enrich his donors. So to me, it's two sides of the same corrupt coin and I think it's the kind of politics that

“people are sick of both sides of the aisle. And I think that's what's motivating this movement.”

It's really not about them as individuals, as individual lawmakers. It is them as symptoms of a sick system. I'm shocked to hear you say that. I think a lot of people have surprised that you just said who you feel is more corrupt. But what you're saying also is it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter who you're going to be up against. Because we're running against that corruption. And whether it takes the Ken Paxton form, which is an illegal

kind of individualistic corruption or if it's John Kornin, which is a legalized systemic form of corruption. Both are, I think, our grotesque in a democracy. But we're going to be running against that corruption, regardless of what former it takes in a Republican opponent. Joe Rogan and many others are already calling for you to run for president. I know you're focused

“on the U.S. Senate right now, but I have to ask you the question, will you one day run for president?”

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