#2463 - Steve-O

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What's up, dog, how are you? >> Well, dude, it's been a roller coaster for me, man, every day. >> Since last time I saw you? >> I've been time. >> What happened?

>> Well, let's see here. >> The year of 2022.

“Last time I saw you, I think it was 2023.”

>> What was it that long ago? >> I think it was, man. >> Okay. >> Yeah.

>> And, man, I was on high the year of 2022.

Like we had our Jackass movie and theater, it's number one. The big, like, you know, my profile was all, you know, like, white hot, the world just opened up from the pandemic. And everybody had stimulus money and there were just revend spending. Everyone wanted to go out to shows and there were no interest rates.

Money was free. It was just like a perfect storm for me to have the most successful year of my life. Like, more than double what my next most successful year was. And then like, I don't know, maybe I just got like, super, super high on that. You know, like, and it was just like, I was just kind of printing money.

You know, like selling merch, like crazy and like everything was just going so well. And I don't know if maybe like you become more successful and like, people get angry at you, you know, but there's a point, like, a point after that, where I felt like, man, the internet turned on me, kind of. You know, like, I saw a lot of negative comments, people saying that all, like,

all I do is promote merch, you know, like, there was, there was a bunch of different stuff. And I legitimately agree, that's my thing is when I see a negative comment about me, if I agree with it, then it really bothers me, you know, and I got to do something about it. You know, I think, and I've heard you say that that, you know, that they're taking criticism constructively is, like, super helpful.

It's very helpful. The problem with the internet is this, it's overwhelming. It's too many, too many voices, too many different people.

“That's why I would never recommend for a person like you to even read the comments.”

Right. I, well, what I did was, um, do you have a dick tattoo on your right? Is that what it is? That's exactly how long you have to keep that for. I don't have to keep it for any amount of time, but it doesn't matter anything.

I mean, it's a bet how long I last before I get it, laser it off. And is there a money, no value to this bet? No, it's more of an experiment. Oh. But I've been doing really well with that enough.

It's not even a good dick. It's like a weird dick, like a banana dick, because it's, it's, uh, it's pretty awesome. [LAUGHTER] And it, and it was-- I think it's about to take criticism.

[LAUGHTER] It, uh, it, it was done by a post-malone. Oh. Yeah, it makes it even better. Very, it makes it awesome.

Yeah. I don't expect to keep it forever, but I was very shocked when I got it that my life didn't really change a whole lot. Yeah. That's you.

Right. You know what I mean? Like, give, uh, you know, Marco Rubio got a dick tattoo on his forehead. They'd be like, hey, take this fucking clearance away. Yeah, um, but in any case, man, like, um, I, uh,

I just-- you couldn't be more right. There's so many voices and everything. But I agreed with the bunch of stuff. And, um, you know, I spent, like, under 20, 20, 4, 20, 25, like, like very mindfully, um, addressing the, you know,

the criticism with which I agreed. And I felt like I made, like, really good progress, you know, like, sort of, uh, repairing my reputation. Even though maybe I didn't even need to.

“I don't think you need to, but maybe not.”

But, uh, and then coming into 20, 26, I was like, wow, I did this-- I-- I-- I texted you. I was like, dude, I've got on this Mr. Beast thing. I won the whole damn thing. And, uh, you know, this video he made in 30,

celebrities compete to win a million dollars for charity.

Uh-huh. And what you all with? I did. I was like, Matt Rype was one of my-- I'm not cool. I'm not cool. Saw Volcano.

Oh, nice. Howdy, man, down, dip, low. Nice. The bellot twins. Oh, that's what?

That's a crazy group of people. It was really crazy. Because it was 20, 20, 30, and 30. Oh, wow. Yeah.

30, like, like, not half ass celebrities by any measure.

Which was--

“So what was involved, would you have to do?”

Um, there was, uh, that--

I mean, it was-- it was an exercise in promoting his beast games on prime, which, by the way, is the most phenomenal TV show that I've ever won. Yeah, my daughter was just telling me about it. She was saying it's so good.

It is unbelievably good. And I'm not being paid. He's a wizard, man. That dude's very smart. Yeah, I got to--

He's like a really interesting guy. Because he's kind of open about what he does. And he tells people how to do it. Right. You know, like, how to manipulate the algorithm

and how to get people to get excited and click on your link based on what the image is. And the text says, and he thinks about all that shit. Yeah. I was able to have him on my podcast, uh,

like, right when the thing came out. And he was telling me that, um, that he was pretty close to recording a podcast with you on the top of the show. Yeah.

I couldn't make it out there. Right. I know the time. Yeah. But he-- he's amazing.

And I thought when that thing came out,

“I was like, man, this is just going to, like, be lifeful.”

Well, there's a thing. People got mad at him. They got mad at him when he was filming in Egypt. Because he was filming with Zai Hawas. And Zai is the--

What does he have that head of the Ministry of Antiquities, is that what it is? Or he was one point in time. And he was one of, you know, my most controversial podcast guests.

People did not like him. Wow. Because he's kind of-- he pushes a narrative in defiance of all the evidence. That has been sort of uncovered by all these other people.

It's like, there's this evidence that shows that, you know, the pyramids are-- Okay, so you're not talking about these guys. You know, Mr. Bees. Consistrabies did something with him.

And a lot of people on law made out of him for having this guy on Zai. And it's the guy who pushes-- Like nobody knows how they built the pyramids. And he's like, they built it because it was a national project.

And I was like, come on, bro. That's a fun thing to say. But that doesn't tell me how they got all those rocks there. Tell me how they got 2,300,000 stones the way between two and like 80 tons.

And they moved into the mountain. Some of them 500 miles away. Like tell me how they did that. Tell me how they aligned into true, north, south, east, and west.

4,500 plus years ago. And it's more likely plus than minus. I mean, nobody knows. So that was really controversial. A lot of people mounted Mr. Beast for that.

What in the algorithm that I have? People look like a Michelle. And letting this guy say nonsense on your show. Wow, OK. So that's the point.

It's like, don't listen. Right, right. Nobody gives a shit. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Mr. Beast is fans like, we're going to abandon him.

He has saw he a horse on. [LAUGHTER] He only has guilty cares, man. Right. There's just too many voices.

And if you look at yourself, if you feel like, I'm kind of hoaring out my merch too much. Just back off of it. Yeah, that's what it is. That's what it is.

That's what it is. He gets shit for everything. Because he's Uber successful. Right. Right.

So everything he does, like it could be like, he only gave away a million dollars to charity. [LAUGHTER] It's fucking ridiculous, man. Right.

Like, they never make all those people happy.

They don't want to be happy. That's a big part of what's going on. Right? You're jumping into a pool of mentally ill people and trying to stay clean.

Hey, guys, guys, let's be reasonable. Right. Right. Well, they're fucking suicidal. They know the gun tastes like.

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Hi. But again, it's when I agree with stuff that bothers you. Right. But do that to yourself. Right, right.

Just look at yourself. Take a moment. I don't know if I was burned out. Like, if I was in torrent, but like, there was a point going through 2022,

in particular, 2023, where, like, I would lose my mind over people being disruptive in the audience at my shows. Like, I don't even want to call them hecklers

“because I think like heckler has like a connotation”

of whittiness to it. I'm talking about just drunk sheds, just run. Yelling, stealing. And disrupting the show.

you know, this whole audience of people paid their harder and money to come see this show. And this one person yelling out is just fundamentally disrespecting everybody who's here. And I'm not standing for it.

I'm trying to hard, you know? And I would be like, I would snap. Like, nah, I would be throwing people out.

“What happened was everybody thought I was a dick, you know?”

And like, maybe so, maybe I was burned out. And it was like-- These were overreacting. Overreacting. Yeah.

And like, that's another piece of criticism that I really, really took to heart. And now, it's been over two years, like, well over two years, since I even scolded an audience member. That's cool.

That's great. I just got to kind of put that energy out there at the beginning. We're all here to have a good time. You know, we're all here to have a good time. Let 'em know.

It's like, like, if someone's yelling out, like, come on, man. Keep it to yourself. Stay quiet. Stay quiet. Hold it together.

If I can't, like, really pushed in it and an egregious situation, the farthest I'll go as I'll say. Hey, you know what, guys? I used to get really been out of shape over people being disruptive, but I don't do it anymore.

And that tends to-- And as soon as I stopped reacting so much, like the problem that allowed it out. Well, you got to realize, like, your entire career, you've kind of been a disruptor.

Sure.

“So it's kind of natural that disruptive people”

would be attracted to come to your show. Of course. Of course. And then you're saying, "Please, people, I-- at this moment time." Right.

Yeah. You're about to see me put some things up my butt and I demand respect.

As always, when you're doing your show, you put stuff up your butt.

Well, it's multimedia show. So it's-- So, of course, you put something up here. That's multimedia. So, I've explained to you, Jamie.

What's with the questions, Jamie? Great. But I've still to this day cringe when Tim Kennedy choked you unconscious and let you drop. I wasn't mad at him.

Yeah, that was mad at him. You didn't have to let you drop like that. I did ask him to drop me. I would have said no. I was saying no.

If you made me do that too, first of all, I would have tried to talk to you out of it. But then I would have said, "There's no way I'm going to let you drop." In hindsight, it wasn't particularly funny. Not only was it not funny, it was super disturbing.

Right.

“I would have put a cushion onto you at the very least.”

Right. You know, like a nice, wake up, like one of them judo pads, or just throw people on. Being choked out in and of itself is not-- Not that bad.

It's not really-- Probably not the best way. Right. Yeah, I don't know what the data is. I don't think a lot of you jits of people have done double blind,

police, placebo controlled studies on tap or no tap. What's the best for your brain? Right. I can't think it's good. That your brain gets shut off for a few seconds.

I can't think it's good, you know? One of the nastiest things I've ever done in my life, if not the nastiest way back in 2003, we had just had the first jackass movie come out. While filming for the first jackass movie,

one of the bits that it was never used

because it was too far at all, too far out. For jackass? For jackass. Right. Do you have a clip of this?

I'm sure that it exists. But you'll appreciate this. The legend Jean Lebel. Oh, Judo Jean. Judo Jean, the legend.

Real legend. Yeah. Like they had Jean Lebel. They lined up the whole cast of jackass and he just went down the line.

Just choked it all up? Yeah. And like the swiftness with which he got it. Yeah, yeah. Here's a brutal man.

I mean, it was just like, you know. Super nice guy, but a brutal man. Right. And it was like, it wasn't even brutal though. It was like general.

I mean, it was just so fast. His style was known for being particularly painful. Yeah. My friend Silvio Pimenta was one of his students.

And he was one of my first jutsu instructors.

And he taught me a bunch of gene stuff. And I was like, oh, what a mean guy. So many stuff was so mean. It was like knuckles in your neck. And like real crazy shit that Jean would do to people.

Yeah. So like particularly. Yeah, there we go. There you go. Out cold.

Oh, yeah, that looks gentle. Super gentle. No, I'm not even kidding. Like the way he's doing it. I mean, he's technique is so flawless.

You know, the chocolate del was really good at it too. He chipped out one time. So who did he punch? Who did he punch in the arm? Full blast.

Someone like that. One of you guys. Oh, that would have been before Jackass. Was it Jason Ellis? I forget who it was.

But someone let Chuck full blast right hand them in the arm. I'm like, well, that arms useless for a couple of months now. Well, fuck. That's not like your buddy punching you in the arm versus chocolate.

Yeah.

He might blow your shoulder out.

“Like that's crazy to let that guy hit you.”

Yeah. What a sweet heart, too. Oh, he's a great guy. Chuck was the weirdest because when he was in his prime, like you look at him, he was so scary because he's tall.

He was fucking built in a brick shit house. Mohawk tattoo in his head. Super kind. Like you talked him super calm and relaxed. Yeah.

He's been a bunch of time with me. Great. Fucking guy. Great fucking guy. Okay.

So Gene LeBald, like Chuck just lays us all down one by one. Okay. Like they considered it too dark. They didn't even like just because he went unconscious. Yeah.

What year was this? Then 2002. People weren't used to being being choked out yet. You actually didn't really get big until 2005. Right.

Because of Chuck. Really? Yeah.

“It was really because of Stephen Bonner and Forest Creek.”

Right, right, right, right. That one fight on the old crazy. One fight on the ultimate fighter changed the course of the history of the sport. That was the premier on spiking. Uh-huh.

Because it was a good fight before that. Diego Sanchez beat Kenny Florian. So that was before that. That was really good fight too. But that was like, you know, Diego beat his ass.

But whereas the Stephen Bonner Forest Griffin fight was a crazy, like, completely even fight. Yeah. And two dudes who knew each other really well. They were fucking going for it.

They said that during the time, you know, like,

maybe a million people were watching it at first.

And the peak was like six or seven million. Which for them was nuts. So what that meant was everybody was calling their friend. And go do turn on spiked TV right now. This is crazy.

And like, what is this? Like no one knew what it was back then. Like they had hurt a hoist gracy. But no one knew that it was going to be on TV. Like boom.

That was it. And then they had Chuck as the champion. Which was the perfect champion for an emerging sport. This guy was just a seeking destroy psychopath. Yeah.

With a tattoo like Congee tattoo on his head and a mohawk. Just fucking starch in people. Woo. I remember that air. It's all done.

I mean, your 2000 was when Jack has came out on MTV. Mm. And I mean, at that time, you couldn't watch video on the internet. That was the dark times. That was when it was banned from cable.

And you could only watch it.

“I got direct TV because there's the only way you could watch the UFC.”

Yeah. Because why I got direct TV. And the media just wasn't so fragmented at that time. There were only so many TV channels. There was no social media, no video on the internet.

Right. So when something hit on a basic cable. Be hit big. Yeah. Yeah.

I think the most views, the most concurrent viewers on MTV that we got was like 4.5 million. And that, for cable, that's a lot. That moved the needle in a big way. That's unheard of now. Right.

Which is really kind of crazy if you think about it. Yep. That's how much things have gotten diluted because there's so many show. It's impossible to watch everything. Right.

Every time I turn on Apple TV, there's some new interesting show.

There's a fucking million of them on Amazon Prime that you've never even heard of.

They're really good. They're all over the place. Right. Make, you know, I had a really great conversation with Mark McGrath. The guy from Sugar Ray.

Oh, really? Yeah. I just fell in love with this guy. I had him on my podcast. And he made such a valid point about how the 90s, 90s nostalgia is so rad.

Because it was really the last time when everybody watched the same shows on TV together. Right. You know, like, all the albums came out on the Tuesday or whatever. You know, like, everything, everything, everything. It was a communal audience for everything.

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Yeah. Yeah, it was a fun time. It was an interesting time. And it was a time like before the internet. You had to find out about stuff from friends.

Yeah. You know, like I remember, I was headed to a gig with this dude. God, I wish I could remember his last name. But he was really funny. Johnnie something, fuck.

I'll remember eventually. But we were on our way to this comic from Connecticut. We were on our way to a gig together.

“And he's like, have you heard of the brand new heavies?”

And I go, no, who are there? He goes, it's a jazz band. And they linked up with a bunch of rappers. And made this heavy rhyme experience album. It was fucking incredible.

I'm like, I would have never found out about that.

That's sick. Oh, it's sick dude. There's one with a gang star that's great. It's getting hectic. It's fucking great.

Because it's like you got this music that's like this like real live band music. Sort of like how that tiny desk show does it now. I don't even know the title. But like, you guys like, could you rap? Oh, dude, could you rap?

That's it. Johnny Rizzo, how did you do that? Uh, another trick. How the fuck did you do that? Shut up.

Johnny Rizzo. Is he around still? He was a funny dude. He had to like a rubber face. The dude can make the craziest faces.

He was so funny. Back to the choking.

“I think the reason why I was a dark and disturbing.”

Because you guys were twitching.

Yeah, it's the twitching. That's just waking up. That's just waking up. It's a little bit upsetting. That's hilarious.

All the shit you guys did that they left in. Well, yeah, and another big problem is that with the choking out, it's particularly imitated. That's something that we, if it's something that little kids could like pretty easily imitate, then that's more problematic for us.

But in that whole experience. Ryan Dunn just came away feeling qualified to start choking people out himself. Oh, no. I don't know the Ryan Dunn had any kind of combat sports background. I kind of doubt it.

I think it was literally just from this one experience with Jean LaBelle, kind of watching it happen, having the experience himself. He just started choking people out. And back then, I had a wildly different style of tour. But I was on tour and on the last.

And Ryan Dunn would be with me on tour. He would say to the audience, "Who wants to get on stage, get choked out?" And even back then, I was like, "Out of my mind on drugs." And I was like, "Please don't be doing this. You're really, really bothered."

It made me so uncomfortable. I would leave the stage when Ryan Dunn was choking out audience members. It was so crazy that he signed up for that. Right. People would be jumping up and down.

Please, please. Did he let them down? He didn't drop. He didn't let them down. But it bothered me so much until the one day when I had been on cocaine for three days in a row.

And I was feeling a little bit self-conscious about how little, like, very intense footage that I had been generating. And I was like, "You know what? Today's my day. Ryan Dunn choked me out."

And so he did it once. And then he did it again. We spent a little holiday. Six times in a row. And each time it became more violent throwing me down.

So that's number two. It seems like he's having fun with your body after it's out. Yeah. He's sort of just ragged all in you. Yeah.

Dude. Six of them. And one day. That's too much. Oh, my God.

The last one. That rarely happens in training. Actually, you tap out. Yeah.

“After this one, I think there's two more.”

And the last one is just so upsetting. This one? Yeah. It's the one where he threw me on my head. Oh, dude.

Yeah. I don't want to see. No, no, no, no, no. Yeah. I landed right on my face, dude.

Fuck man. Why did you do that? I'd be because he wanted it to be more exciting. Like, I think it did like him in the cocaine. Yeah.

There was cocaine falling out of my nose in the shot.

Right. Right.

“And so I think that's probably the earliest thing.”

Yeah. But in any case. So did you get hurt from that at all? Yeah. I think I had a repeat of truth.

Oh, from falling your face. Yeah. Did you get hurt at all from the repeated jokeings? I don't think so. No.

It's pretty amazing. Yeah. Given what I've put myself through. Oh, both professionally and personally, that, like, I've, I've got recall. Yeah.

You know, pretty. How many times have, Johnny told me he's been knocked out on car just 16 times? How many times do you think? No, I'm not at that level. I got knocked out in the WWE ring.

Oh, yeah. On Monday night, raw. It was, this was, this was a heavy one, man. Which one? It was.

And it was an elbow that really put me out. Who hit you? Umaga.

“This is the, the cause of his fighter name in the WWE was the sumo and bulldozer.”

Pro sumo has got some heavy bones. Yeah. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah. You can bring that one up.

Really. Good. That doesn't Monday, raw. Steve O and Chris Ponies.

We were promoting the second jackass movie.

So we're going to get in the ring. We're, we're getting in the ring. We're, we're doing a home match. And it's, it's fascinating the way that they kind of block out what the matches are. It's kind of like a jam band.

Right. You know, like a jam band that you've got, like, the kind of 10 pull moments. And then you just kind of fill it in. But it's like, there's kind of, this is going to happen. This is going to happen.

This is going to happen. And what was to be the last move. It's called a splash where this 350 pounds sumo and bulldozers are going to jump off the top rope. And with me laying on the ground and, like, body slam, you know, all the top rope. But what I didn't understand, what I didn't know, is that the match for it to be over.

That means the person who lost, like, stops moving. You know, like, not only the way. Well, you're not supposed to move around. Oh, you moved around. I moved around.

I moved it so lightly. So he put you to sleep. Yeah, like, he jumped off the top rope. And it was such a devastating blow that I couldn't help but react. You know, I was like, oh, you know, like, whoa, like an laughing and rolling around.

Like, I can't even believe it. Oh, no. And he's looking at me like, oh, now I'm disrespecting him. Because I'm moving around. So he hits me again.

And I'm confused because I understood that what just happened was supposed to be the final move. But now he just hit me again. And I'm like, what are you doing?

You know, like, basically, if I'm going to move around, he's going to keep hitting me.

So would it told you that? Right. And so then he hits me again. And-- Right there.

This is Narlie. Yeah, we got pretty radical. On the-- yeah, there's-- on the-- this is-- They-- they-- he drops this elbow. They-- they didn't even show the end of the match.

They went to commercial because it was too dark for the WWE show. See, right there. Now, it's supposed to be over, but I'm moving around. And so then-- Yeah, so now he's kicking me.

And I'm like, wait, man, dude.

“I didn't-- I think that elbow was what put me out.”

And they cut to the commercial. I don't remember leaving the ring. Wow. Yeah. That elbow looked pretty fucking hard, dude.

Yeah, they-- right there. But it's also all the other banging of your brain. Right. And this is a lot of banging of your brain. The body slams of banging of your brain.

Yeah. Yeah, you definitely got a concussion from that one, son. Yeah. Those two get concussions all the time. You don't think about it because you think, oh, it's wrestling.

It's pro wrestling. But just the physical contacts on the boy to go. Those guys, when Hulk Hogan came in here, man, it was one of the saddest things I'd met him a long time ago in Beverly Hills, a ran into him in front of a cigar bar.

I was like, holy shit, he was gigantic.

Then I met him, the second time when he met him another time when he--

He and I did a spike TV thing. It was awesome. And then he came in to do the podcast and he had so many back surgeries that he was like six inches shorter. Oh, wow.

It was crazy. It's because they have to fuse all of his discs. And he had a cane everywhere, man. He was fucked up. And he said it was from that thing that he would do.

We would drop down on his ass with an elbow. So every time he did that, he fucked his back up. I mean, think about how big he was. And he was probably 300 plus pounds, right? So every time you're dropping down,

your body's taking the shock on your ass bone of 300 plus pounds flying through the air and bouncing off the ground. So all of his discs got herniated.

It was horrible. Yeah.

Those guys get fucking busted up.

Yeah.

“The rock is like a weird-- well, he's an outlier.”

Because I don't know what kind of physical issues he has, but he doesn't even have any. Like I worked out with him. He's mobile. He could do stuff.

Yeah. He looks amazing. So I don't know how he got through that insane long career and not got busted up. Yep.

I feel like a stock called Steve Austin is in reasonably good shape, too. I don't know. I don't know about that one. But I know a lot of those guys, man. They leave that career and, you know, they fake hips, fake backs, fused.

Everybody has something wrong. Yeah. I've been pretty lucky. Like, for the most part, you know, I've had some hardware and my ankle, I've had hardware and my collarbone, had meniscus surgery and my knee.

That's it for you, knees, just one. Just one. And it was an elective one, too. Like it was a partially torn meniscus. Why did you decide to get it?

Because I was told that it would be better. I don't know. Like, in the long run, I would, in my knee would be better for it. Hmm. Yeah.

I had done it my left knee. And it was pretty good until a skiing accident a few years ago. And it's been like irritating the shit out of me since then. And then about a few other little injuries with it. But the thing about it is, like, that cushion, once it's gone, it's gone.

Like, it doesn't come back. And that cushion is kind of important.

Like, my knee always felt a little loose.

Like, that cushion really goes banging around in there. They do replace meniscus. They use cadaver meniscus. But it's not a hundred percent. It doesn't always work.

I don't know. I think they have to cut the entirety of your meniscus out and put up cadaver one in there. Yeah. And then sew it in place.

That recovery from that meniscus surgery was rough. Really? Yeah. Like, the other was one of the easiest ones. For me, man, my knee really hurt for quite a while.

Um, will you do anything for it? Well, how long was it? The knee surgery? The meniscus was recent. Oh, it was 23.

Oh, okay. Well, um, get on some peptides. That's, that'll probably help it. I, I was. I was doing peptides.

Yeah. Donald Seroni. Oh, there you go.

He got me dialed in with the folks at transcendent.

Right. He works with those guys. Right.

“And that's how you got super jacked after you retired.”

Right. I just travel so much. Right. That, like, all of these things that need to be refrigerated. And you're traveling with the ice pack.

Yeah. And it was like, I get it. It's just, like, kind of too much. I just, like, know what a simple solution though is. What's that?

Just get yourself, like, uh, one of them little Yeti thermuses. Put some ice in there and put your peptides in there. Throwing your bag. Simple. Okay.

That's it. Okay. It keeps it cold. Seals up. I was doing testosterone too.

You stopped? I did. I stopped. Kind of like, kept forgetting. I was like, oh.

And I didn't. I mean, I don't want to say I didn't notice anything. Because there are different things going on in my life that I kind of attributed. See, but like, having stops taking it, I don't notice some really any difference. And did you get your blood worked on before you took it?

Well, I did. I got my blood worked on by the folks at transcendent. Right. And, you know, they prescribe it to me. What did they say your levels were?

“I think that my testosterone was like 300.”

That's pretty low. Yeah. It's on the other stuff you can take though. There's stuff called, well, you know, I needed to take in peptides. But there's other stuff you could take that could rate ramp up your natural testosterone.

Right. I've been doing more like strength training too, and I know that that. Yeah, that's it. Yeah. There's a bunch of different things like dead lifts and squats.

They ramp up your testosterone. Yeah. I could certainly get back into all that because I love the idea of like being super healthy, longevity. Yeah, it's good for you. Feel better.

Feel better. Think better. Yeah. And my baseline's pretty good too. Like, I've got my woop band.

And. Sound you with a woop is kind of hilarious. I'm a little concerned about my health. I love it. Contrary to all my actions for the past 40 plus years.

Right. I love it so much. And it's great. You get so much data. Yeah.

Yeah. I don't know if you're sleeping well. What's your HRV like? I don't know. I don't have a morning one in a while.

Right. Because like today I'm 113 HRV. I don't know if that's good. Is that good? It's super good.

Yeah. Congratulations. Yeah. And like that's awesome. I average is like 90.

I don't know. That's great, man. So you're working out feeling good. Yeah. Nice.

Take care of my health. Boy, those blows to the head, son. Yeah. For sure. Like a lot of people, and they get older, they're really hard to recover from.

Right. Yeah. The last jackass movie we did.

They had this huge treadmill.

It's like treadmill for horses. And they got us. They got it just homin. And all of us. They got a bunch of us.

The cast dressed up in marching band. Like with marching band.

“And like for marching, playing our instruments.”

And one by one we jump on this treadmill. Right. And it was hilarious. But dude, I got knocked out. So cold.

I wonder if you could bring that up, Jamie. Like I was out out for like a of, you know, maybe the one you said ever. How did you get knocked out? What happened?

I hit my head. Just fell. Yeah. Like as I got spit off the end of this treadmill. Oh, Jesus Christ.

Yeah.

I just kind of jumped on it.

So it looks like knocks on it. Oh, God. Oh, my God, dude. So I'm like, everyone is awake. And I am like super not awake at all.

Oh, Knoxville's bleeding from the head. Yeah. You guys are so ridiculous. What is silly way to make a living? Yeah, don't do that anymore.

Yeah, that. Oh, boy. Yeah, that was that might have been my worst concussion. But there's been there's been, there's been, like more than that even, you know, not 16.

But the one that hurt me the most was Johnny Knoxville when he was in that store and butterbean beat him up. Oh, my God. That was crazy. That one bothered me.

Because if you know how hard butterbean hits, that's just a silly thing to sign up for.

Let that guy beat the shit out of you.

And then even after he's down, butterbean had him get back up and put him away. Like, don't let him do that. Right. Especially butterbean, man.

That guy. There's a high light reel of input and giant men to sleep. Right. You know, right. You don't want that guy punched you on the chin.

Talk about sweethearts too, man. What? And butterbean. Yeah, up until that moment. Right.

This is a thing with those guys though. They're so accustomed to hurting people. Yeah. It's like, you want to sign up for this? Sure.

I'm sure. Okay. Right. And they're just going to do to you what they've done to a bunch of other people that decided to box them.

Yeah. Man, look at that shrimp. That really wasn't early. No, no. It's not good.

I mean, you were flying through the air and landed on your fucking head. Not good, dude. Yeah, that good. They had that. That's probably way for get to take your peptides.

That's the, I've read a story about Jim McMahon, the football player. And that's his name, right? The guy from the Chicago Bears. Yeah, Jim against the quarterback, right? Yeah, the quarterback.

Yeah, the quarterback.

“And I think it was a sports illustrated article.”

And they were talking about it like he can't remember anything. He'll be standing in the middle of his living room, not knowing why he's there, where he was going. Doesn't know where his keys are. Doesn't know where his phone. He's just like, can't.

It's just like Kurt. It's like, it just blocks out. Comes back. He could imagine that that would be more for like linemen because every single play. That those days though, the quarterback's got taken out back in those days.

That's the 80s. You got to think how much harder the game was, but I'm not obviously not a football Efficient auto or expert by any means. But from what I've been told, the rules are much more favorable today to protect the quarterback. Okay.

And back then, those dudes got it. And it's not just that, man. It's also all the different years you played. Those all count. Like just because you're only getting knocked out a couple of times as a professional in the NFL.

What about all the times you got knocked out in high school? What about all the times you got knocked out in college? Those guys, man, I have a massive amount of respect for football players. I mean, I've watched a lot of high school games in Texas and I watched a lot of college games. The UT is a fucking brutal sport.

I mean, it's no wonder that's the American pastime. It is a psychotic fucking sport. I do love it. It's fun to watch, man. I've become a fan.

“What really I think was the smartest thing that NFL did.”

They got into the routine with their NFL YouTube channel at the conclusion of every game. They upload a video to YouTube, which is a condensed version of the game that runs anywhere from 10 to 15 minutes. So you can watch it. Super digestible. More than a highlight.

It's like more than sport center. But like, you know, you're only seeing the awesome stuff. Man was involved in Texas is one of the dirtiest plays in NFL history. Oh. He's got slammed after the play.

After the play, slammed on his head. Yeah. That's crazy. This ended his season. This play.

I don't know which game of the year it was.

That's not cool, man. Yeah. Look at him. Oh, my God.

That's crazy that they did that.

“And what did he get like a one game penalty or something?”

Back then. Yeah. Back then it was probably pretty. Yeah. Back then they probably gave me extra steroids.

Good job. But I hope this reaches the NFL when I say this is that as much as. And by the end of the season. And whatever was 2023, 2024. Like, I was so invested because I was watching this digestible.

Like YouTube videos that by the time the playoffs rolled around. I was subscribed to every single different platform because now like the States are so high. I got to watch the whole game. Like they really converted me.

Oh, that's great. Yeah. It was the smartest thing. That's wise. I mean, because you think about there's a lot of downtime and football.

Right. Between plays. All of this. That's the best thing. But I have a really, really important thing that I want the NFL to know.

Is that they were the thumbnails.

“A lot of the times gave away the outcome of the game.”

So, and this was the problem that the UFC had for a while. Like, you know, I would be doing my shows. You know, especially if I'm in a comedy club. You know, I've got the second show on Saturday night. So I've missed the whole paper view event.

Now I get back to my hotel room. And I'm going to watch everything, the whole thing. But then when I go into the video on demand and the thumbnail shows, like the the winner of the main event, like celebrating. Right.

You know, like it's like, oh, so I reach out to Dana. I'm like Dana. The thumbnails are given her way. And he's like, to curve it, man. Just got up to the phone.

But they had a Disney, the president of the earth. That's nice of that kind of pull. Right. And we're sick of that for that in the field. And they don't always--

Maybe they won't.

Yeah, they don't always give away the game.

But for the love of God, please make the thumbnail neutral. So that because of the reason why we're clicking on this video, because we don't want to know what happened. We won't watch it and enjoy it. Right.

And so how long are these condensed games? Anywhere from like eight to 16 minutes. Wow. That's smart. And it's so exciting because if you see, like a punt or a kickoff,

you know something awesome is going to happen because they'll never include a punt. Or a kickoff and less it gets run all the way down for a touchdown. Or if there's a turnover or something like that. Right. So it's like, oh, you get excited when you watch these videos,

if there's a punt. Right. That makes sense. Yeah.

“You have to see does a good job with-- they do these videos that”

shows like all the knockouts from a particular event. So anybody who just wants to see knockouts? Yeah. I've been seeing that. And I've been in situations already since the Paramount deal,

where I got to go back and watch the whole card. And Paramount, like, it's pretty awesome, man. Like on ESPN. It's not very intuitive. I got to say, it's a little clunky when you're searching for the show.

Because you go to like live TV to watch it. And then if it's not on live TV anymore, like if you go out, you pause it and you come back and try to any click on it, it doesn't work. And then you got to find it and then you got to go to home,

and then you got to go down to the USC, and then I search out each individual. And then it brings you up a grid of all the stuff that's on TV right now. And then if you click on that, it's not playing anymore. So it tells you it's not on. You got to go back again to home.

So like where the fuck is it? Like just have a little UFC thing where I could click at the home page. And it shows all the matches, what's live, what's not. Just a little clunky. I think ESPN plus kind of had it down.

I'm just starting with ESPN plus was though. What? Is that you scroll through to get to the main card. They would have each fight individually up there. And you got to like blur your eyes because on the thumb.

It says the duration of the right. You got to look time stamp. And it's like, oh damn it. I'm going to look like I just saw that. You got to not look at that.

Yeah. You got to unblur your eyes. Look through the crowd. How much when you play it, that'll show you how short the amount of time is. You know, how quickly the time is going.

Right. Right. You can't like work. You can't ever skip anything because then the time bar will come up. Do you watch anything else other than UFC?

Ah. Sports wise. No. It's our fighting ones. Oh man.

No. No. No. I've been trying to get in white to do a striking league. I'm trying because like, you know, people still boo and complain when things go to the ground.

And if the UFC has time to do like slap fight. That's I'm not really into. But if they have time to do that. Like do a stand up only league because there's other organizations that are doing that. You know what?

Like the Mike Tyson Jake Paul thing.

I understand that they had a hundred million viewers.

I think I think they did.

And then the Jay Paul Anthony Joshua had like maybe 30 million.

Right. So I was nowhere near. But God, I thought that. I thought that. Which you get those numbers?

Just whatever I just saw in the. Because I don't know if Netflix gives those numbers out. Or maybe they did. Did they say it? 100 million Paul Tyson had 108 million.

And then Jay Anthony Joshua thing was like 30. Interesting. 108 million is crazy. That's a lot of fucking people. It's a lot of people.

But what a blown opportunity. When he thinks like, okay, now Netflix had. They knew they were going to have that many viewers. Right. Not that many.

They knew they were going to have a lot. Right. They had the opportunity to take the the boxing model and fix it. And you know. And I don't know.

Like the Netflix did. Yeah. Netflix has only had a small handful of events though. Understood. But if you look at the UFC broadcast.

Just like how like there's just not downtime. Right. It's like the people care about the undercard. Me. You know me.

Like I'm there. Yeah.

I'm there for the first fight pass.

Prelim. Some of the undercards are the best fights. For sure. Yeah. That's actually.

Yeah. Right. Exactly. Especially when you see some of these guys coming out of the container series that are so high level already.

Right. There's guys that are getting matched up in the undercard. That no one's ever heard of their two undefeated fighters. It could be world champions. Sure.

There's guys who are that good now. Right.

“And that's what's so great about about the UFC is that the whole card's good.”

The production's insane. There's no downtime. It's just like you can sit there for. You can be thoroughly happy that you're watching the whole time. But with boxing.

There's so much time in between the bounce. Yes. Like yeah. They don't do as nearly as good a job. Do you have to see without doubt is the best promotion and all of

kinds of. Yeah. In terms of entertainment, production value. The people in the truck. The experts.

Right. They're the best. That's what I'm saying about Netflix. Is that. They.

They could have fixed. They could have fixed. Well, zoof is trying to do that now. Right. You know, zoof is trying to do that.

They're basically using the promotion machine behind the UFC.

It's a stupid motie boxing. And they're just getting rolling right now. But they signed some really big guys. They signed Connor Ben. They signed Jai Opataya.

Who's a fucking beast. They signed some legit boxers. So should be interesting. Yeah. Boxing is.

It is a fascinating sport. It's a mess. I mean, as far as the broadcast goes.

“Well, um, I think there's a few, um, companies that know how to do it right.”

And HBO is the best. And when HBO went off the air with boxing, uh, it was a real bomber. Because HBO boxing had been around for decades. They were the peak. That was like the best production team.

It was Jim Lampley, Larry Hazard, or Larry Merchant, rather. Um, Roy Jones Jr. sometimes, George Foreman sometimes. And different fighters would sit in sometimes. And it was the app. Jim Lampley is the fucking best.

It was the best. It was like the smoothest production. They were the best with the cameras and the production quality. And they get you hyped up about the fight with the little pre-made videos. They didn't drag it out.

That they knew how to do it. HBO did it right. They did it right. But I guess it was like, either it was not profitable or something. They just decided to, when they canned HBO boxer.

I couldn't believe it. I was like, after all these years. It's such a crazy thing to do. They were the best. If you had an HBO boxing card and it was a big fight, fuck I was pumped.

It was like the quality of the product was so high level. And they only put on really great fights. I give it got to HBO. That was going to be a great fuck. Right.

Well, comedy specials were the same way. Sure. Yeah. And now it's weird because it's like the landscape is so filled with different platforms. And some guys take money over visibility.

There's young guys that have gotten offers for places.

“And I was like, listen, man, I think you should put on YouTube.”

Sure. You're not going to make any money. But you've got to think about that money investing in yourself because I think you're really good. And I think that this material, if you put it on YouTube, it's going to go viral. It'll spread around.

Right. Way more people will know. Sure. I sorely regret my approach because my, my comedy specials are multimedia. And like, I got stuff in there.

I mean, the whole point of my comedy with the multimedia is to have stuff that you can't even show on jackass. Right. Like just like super extra naughty jackass. Right. And collide to the stand-up show.

Right. And I love that. I have so much fun with that. And when I put out my last one, I did,

Oh. Yeah.

Like my, it's a company moment.

Right. And that was mean trying to make money off this special. I mean, I spent so much making it, you know, but whatever. I wish that I would have had no paywall whatsoever. Just, you know, I can't put it on YouTube, but put it on my website.

So that I could get the eyeballs because I think in the long run that would benefit way more. Why can you put on YouTube because the content? Like two extreme nudity violence, like, like literally. That's going to be hard to distribute anywhere. Well, even on a website, even on your website.

That's just hard. That's just hard to get out. Now I have my multimedia specials on my website with no paywall. Totally free, like no ads. Yeah.

Just go to stevo.com and check out. Well, Andrew did it very smart. Like you want to see it now pay. And then I'm going to put it on YouTube and X-Mount once. A lot of people got mad about that.

People get mad. I'm going to get mad about everything. Understand.

You got to always remember that, man.

People get mad about everything. Right. You can't concentrate on that. I think that maybe there's a little bit more of a window. Because for the people who are like, man, I just spend, you know.

We'll tell them what the window is. Right.

“Just, if you want to do it that way, just tell them.”

I want to put it on YouTube in three months. Right. Understand. But it, it all is like how successful are you, right? So if you're a successful comedian, you do that.

Then your fans are like, hey, why do you need more money on it? Okay. It just really said. But if you're a successful comedian that's been kind of banished, like Louis C.K.

It was for a while. And then Louis C.K. has done a brilliant job of putting everything on his website. Like Harold and Pete is animated show, lucky Louis. All the different Louis the episodes.

So what he did was really create his own thing. That is like a one stop shop of all things. Louis C.K. 100%. And it's really good.

And his mailing list. Yeah. I'm on his mailing list. Me too. And whenever I see an email from Louis C.K.

I absolutely click on it because he does it. He does it. He does it so masterfully. Yeah. It's interesting and funny.

And it's entertaining. It's an entertaining little thing that you get. And then he lets you know what he's doing.

And he's never pressuring you.

He's, he's got the perfect balance. I think of like capitalism and still being an artist. Yep. Just the way to do it. But you know, everybody's at their own little path and the problem with someone like Andrew,

is he's already like really successful. So it's like asking for money for a special. At this point, people are like, come on man. Just fuck it. Put it on YouTube.

My next one. I'm absolutely determined to have no paywall. Stan Hill boy said it best. He said basically your specials just an ad to get people to come soon. So I said that.

Yeah. That's really what it is. And you know, it's also like you got a retire material. Yeah. You know, just let it go.

It's sort of a sale out to see light it on fire. It's hard for me. The course it is. I got it. Gurs it is.

It's hard for everybody. Yeah. It's hard for everybody. But it's probably even harder for you because a lot of your stuff is physical.

“So you have to like come up with new things that you could do to yourself.”

Stable your lip shot. Yeah. Well, I'm dick to your asshole with. I'm so happy with what I've got now. That's good.

Yeah. I'm ruined. And I'm thrilled with it. Okay. So I was I was telling you like I spent these.

You know, a couple of years like really feed like in the darkness. In the kind of in the darkness. Yeah. And you're feeling. Being very mindful to adjust my approach in a way that I felt really good about.

There was like, um, they're beginning of 2025. And I got like really heavy on like, you know, spirituality and faith. I like, I'm that way anyway. Like, I really, really care about that.

Um, be January of 2025. I get on, um, I get this opportunity to have Mark Wahlberg on my podcast. All right. Like, um, and I'm on there. And he's very like big into this.

Very kind of look. Yeah. Very big into this Christianity. And, uh, and I, and I was in the thick of it too at that point. I was like, man, you know, like, like, I've been criticism for being a too much of a shield.

And this and that. And I really bothered you that much. It kind of did.

“Yeah, because I think because I was, uh, well, because it was accurate.”

It was accurate. It was absolutely correct. For example, last time I was here, I'm like, Joe, my, my butt wipes for my bottle. And you're like, that's bad for the plumbing. You just got out.

Right. And I flush those things. Dude, I, like, What, what I wish I said in that moment when when when when when when you'd say that how it's bad for plumbing. I'd seen on, um, a package of dude wipes.

It said only flush one at a time. And you'll be okay. Uh-huh. Are you going to remember me?

Now they've got a desktop cell on the floor.

Don't flush anything other than toilet paper. Period. Talk to any plumber. Okay. Go.

I'll tell you. Don't flush anything other than toilet paper. Like the, the internet had a field day when when you shut down my, my butt wipes plug on here. And I didn't even know about it. I love that.

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And they had a field day because me with the shielding and you with the point about the plumbing and it was just like and like fuck. I just stop selling those fucking things. I stop selling everything. We used to have a sponsor. It's not our sponsor anymore, but I want to tell people to get it anyway.

It's a thing called Tushi. Yeah. Oh my god. I figured every single time I promote Tushi on my podcast, I say it is my favorite podcast sponsor that I've ever had. I know that that's not a wise thing to say.

Like if you think of all the others. I don't care. I don't care.

Well, it's not even our sponsor anymore, but I tell everybody.

It's not expensive and it's legit and it cleans your bottle. And then you just need a little wipe to pat it down. It feels like you're trying it off. Also, you feel better. Like you don't feel like you smear shit all over your bottle.

I don't know if you have a hairy asshole, but I do. Yeah. I'm hairy everywhere. That's chaos down there. If I don't trim it.

So it's like, you're wiping shit on the ass. I'm sure. Sure. And that's like as soon as I started using the Tushi. Then I'm like, oh my god.

Now, if I ever apply myself having to take a shit and there's not a big day. Right. Now it's a crisis for me. I know. Now I like you.

Now I've got a problem.

“And that's why having the wet wipes, the butt wipes.”

Yeah. I became so important because if I don't have the bad day, I can get it. But if you had shit smeared all over your fingernails in your hand, would be happy just using a butt wipe and then having a sandwich? No, you would not. You would want to wash your fucking hands.

Right. Well, yeah. Butt wipes are okay. It's okay. It's better than not having a butt you have to throw them in the garbage.

So then you have a shit smeared wet wipe in the fucking garbage, which was kind of nasty. And you walk and they can smell the shit and no one's cleaned it yet. And then you have to have a plastic bag liner on your garbage can. Because those are what I see. Yeah.

Those cushy things. I have one. We have them here at all. It's not a cushy, but it's another company. Right.

On all our toilets. We have it the mother shit. Oh my god. The best. You have to have those things.

The change is your life. And when you get the cushy ace, which has the heated sea. Yeah. The warm water is the key. And then it blow dry to your butt home.

Nice. Nice. Yeah. It's ready for presentation. Okay.

So I sit down with Mark Wahlberg. And I'm talking about this. And I say how like leaning and leaning into faith.

“Like really just like it's so important.”

You know? Like it's like it's like it's so important to me. And I had this meaningful conversation with Mark Wahlberg about that. And then the day the episode comes out. It didn't even occur to me until the day the episode came out.

I was hiking with my dog through a fucking state park in Tennessee. And it strikes me. Oh my god. I had the audacity. As I knew that the episode went out that day, I had the audacity to cut from this thoughtful

conversation about faith with Mark Wahlberg to an ad for gambling. I was like, oh my god. I was like, I don't have to be in the comment section.

Like, oh my god.

“Like, how's gambling make you hypocrite?”

I mean, I just, I don't think that makes you hypocrite at all. Right. And I don't listen. The gambling thing online, which probably addressed this, is a very hot topic. And a lot of people criticize people for promoting gambling sites online.

The problem is not gambling.

The problem is people who are addicted to gambling. So the problem is self-control. All right. And I'm not saying I'm a person who's immune to being addicted to gambling. I am sure that given other circumstances in my life,

given I could have easily gone addicted to gambling. But I'm not. And I don't mind gambling on stuff. I think sometimes it's probably fun. The problem is people, you saw uncut gems, right?

Oh my god. Best thing is gambling. That is the problem with gambling. That's not a joke. Fucking a man's movie.

Adam Sandler killed it in that movie. It's such a good movie. Never felt so good. But the film movie I'm going, like, oh yeah. I don't get it.

I don't get it. I don't get it. I don't get it.

But you're doing man, don't do that.

Right. Oh, Jesus. Adam. You know what? There's like, I made a decision on that day.

Hiking with my dog. I said, I'm not going to put anything unless it's good for people. Wow. Good for you. I said it.

I don't want to do harm man. I don't like that. I don't all get those harm.

“I think it does harm if you let it do harm.”

But I think food does harm if you let it do harm. I think alcohol does harm if you let it do harm. I think marijuana drugs. All kinds of things do harm if you let them do harm. Right, but it's just that it's in your face.

I understand.

And I don't want to participate in that.

And I just haven't done it since then. I feel good about that. That's good. So all these different things that I've done to be mindful, to be, to feel more good about how I approach my life in my career.

And then coming into this year, 2026, I was like, oh man. Like, now with the Mr. Beast, come out. I'm like, well, this is going to change my life. We got a new jackass movie coming out. Like, I feel really good about how I've restored my, my integrity.

Like, I feel good about myself for myself. And then Joe. Oh my god. Then I have Hurland Williams on my podcast. Okay.

This guy is the most genius. Like, they're like, that's just so, like, you came and understand the guy. Like, he's one of the weirdest funny guys. This, this snake is on this desk because he kept it in his pants. The entire episode, tell us that he had a tapeworm.

And then he pulled it out the end of the episode. And I've left it on the desk ever since. And when Trump was in here, I left it on the desk. And he got so excited to go, hey, buddy, thanks for keeping. And what did he call it?

To, thanks for keeping Dimitri on the desk. Well, Trump was in there. He's just such an odd ball. He's so magnificent. Such a great guy, too.

Yeah. And I record my podcast in an RV, right? I got like three different RVs that I use for it. And, and when I keep in Los Angeles. So we get to Harland Williams house for some reason.

I'm driving now. I'm the fucking worst driver ever. And he's got this small driveway. And I'm trying to maneuver it around. And I get out of the van.

And I'm like, I don't know how. I don't know how I can be such a fucking bad driver. And just like that Harland Williams says to me, it goes, it's AIDS depot. You have AIDS.

[LAUGHTER] Just like the most fucking absurd thing. And so like, going into this podcast. And like, all right, like now we're entering the realm of the absurd. You know, like, let's play with Harland Williams.

Okay. Okay. At some point in the episode, the most fucking dumb idea that ever popped in my head. But you know, you want to be like a step ahead and like figure out,

Harland, we're going to keep this going.

“Like one of my, you know, what's where we going to next?”

So I say to Harland Williams, I'm like, I think at one point I said, like, I said, how about politics? You know, just thinking of myself, this absurd guy, if you ask him about politics, like how does his absurdity like navigate that?

And that's what motivated me. So then somewhere in this back and forth. Like effectively, I say, like, oh, yeah, well, all this shit with ice makes perfect sense because, like, because the majority of immigrants are murderers, right?

This is the most pattyly fucking absurd comment that I've ever made on the podcast. And yet after it comes out, it gets clipped on its own. And it genuinely looks like I'm not kidding. Even though you cut the Harland Williams,

but it genuinely looks like I wasn't fucking kidding. And then I opened up my phone and it's like, basically rotten hell. Use it that, like, you know, like you think, like all immigrants are murderers.

Right. You're being sarcastic.

“I would say I could not have been more like,”

I could not have been less serious.

Right. There's the most absurd fucking deliberately sarcastic thing I'd ever said. And, and, and, and, and, and, and I was in this place. I was so excited, like, man, and that was so excited

about doing my podcast. It was going, you know, and then now I'm just like, delugeed with this tsunami of hate. And that's what so, you know, you know, did you respond?

I did. Yeah, I just say this is just... I thought around. I posted on my Instagram. Okay.

Like, like, for, for clarification, I said, I can't even, I said, I was so shocked to believe that this absurd comment that I made was, like, taken seriously. But, like, just, you know,

I can't believe I don't have to do this, but for the, for the record,

you know, less than 0.1% of the population

is ever going to commit murder. Of course, the majority of no group of fucking people is going to commit murder.

“But if you want to know how I actually feel,”

if there's a group of people that's more likely to murder someone, it's eye-saging. You know, like, and so then, as soon as I post that now, like, the whole other happened wrong fucking eats.

Yeah. Yeah. I wouldn't say that either. Right. There you go. You know, like, and my, my sister is my, my voice reason.

She, like, I was like, "Hey, what do you think about this?" And she's, like, made, like, one small tweak which is, like, "Go for it." I just posted that. I don't even mind.

You know, like, I don't even mind that. I, I feel like if people are going to hate me, let me hate me for, like, how I actually feel. You know, like, as I do watch, I don't dare you. Yes, that's my, my dad.

I feel like shit, I don't do not disturb. Maybe your dad goes through, because he's, like, one of your, yeah, yeah, yeah, he's on my, he's on my speed dial. But, yeah, so it was just a terrible fucking episode that I just went in.

And we set this up, like, a couple months ago. Like, this happened, like, maybe three, four weeks ago. So I was, like, when I, like, you know, when I was texting with you, I was like, "Oh, man, I was in a, you know, like, shitty place.

I feel really rad. It'd be great to get together." And then now, since then, I'm like in a shit place. Yeah, well, you know, obviously that I subject is a very hot subject.

Yeah. People got mad at me from my text on as well. You just, you have to do it. Right. And you know what, like, speak your mind,

say what you really feel. If I'm honest, I regret all of it. You know, like, you know, I kind of, I could have, I could have worded my clarification in a way that made a lot more sense.

I just, it bothered me so much to be so badly misunderstood. Yeah. You know, you talk sarcasticly with a guy like Harlan Williams when you fuck around, and you say things you don't really mean. Right.

It's going to happen. When we dunk in, is the best at that. Like, dunk a trussle. Like, people have entire podcast where he pretends he's in the Illuminati.

And we talk to another comic who pretends he's one of the Rothschilds. Our friend Tony gets, Tony gets his gets on his podcast.

“And what does Tony pretend a Rockefeller or a Rothschild?”

One of them. Yeah. So he, I think it's a Rockefeller. I might be wrong. But I mean, he dies his hair for the episode and everything.

And it's, like, it's, it's so ridiculous. And, and people think he really is. One of those people. Yeah. Meanwhile, he's a dormant at the mothership.

But dunk him will go through the entire podcast without breaking character. Right. And they'll talk about how important it is to control the population.

Let's talk about how important it is to spread misinformation and keep people in the dark and how stupid the plebs are. Yeah. I just kind of, like, I'm too fucking sensitive. Yeah.

What seems like it's not just that you're sensitive. It seems like you're seeking out input. You're, you're seeking out feedback. And I just, I think you're a little too famous for that. I just don't think it's healthy.

Yeah. I've known so many people that are loved, loved by so many. And yet they'll still find the people that hate them and dwell on that. And I, I've seen it with, like, very successful people. Yeah.

It's just, Louis said it best. Louis said it best. He said, the internet is just talk. It's just, it's written down. So it seems more real.

Right. Because it stays up there forever. But it's just talk. Just like people talk at a bar. Fuck that guy.

You know, people say things. And they're not necessarily rational. They're not necessarily, their opinions aren't necessarily valuable. Some of them are. Some of them aren't.

Some of them aren't.

But to go through all that and figure it out, the problem is you're brain only recognizes

threats, danger, and people that hate you. Right. So you get a hundred people that love you.

And you'll just think about that guy. Oh, no. He used to be a fan. Right. I unfold him a long time ago.

Right. Yeah. That makes sense.

“Now I think that to that point here, I thought that when this Mr. Beast came video came out.”

And I want a million dollars.

I gave it to doctors without borders. Like, I just thought, oh man, this is going to be life-altering. And like, it came in. If you're like, I had one kid come up to me in an airport and say, dude, you're steeper for Mr. Beast.

And I was like, oh, wow. Different generation. But other than that, like, like, I thought it would be life-altering and it really wasn't. You know? Yeah.

And then, so now, like, in this little, like, this, whatever you want to call backlash, this, like, thing. Like, to me, it feels like the whole world hates me, you know? Like, when in reality, it's probably not. No. Reality.

Everybody feels about you the exact same way they did before. It's crazy, man. It's crazy. It's crazy. Because I'm, like, I'll walk around and think, like, man, like, people don't even, maybe they hate me.

I was talking to a friend of mine who was one of the earlier ones to get canceled.

This was quite a few years ago. If this was, like, more than 10 years ago. Something happened online and someone said something about something that he said that was patently false. But a lot of people believed it. And he, you know, he made a, a, his own statement.

And the, but then he said, everywhere I go, he goes, I know this was small and it was only in the comedy community. But everywhere I went, I felt like these people hated me. They knew who they were in their judgment. So it's like, it was tainting my feelings everywhere I went. Right?

Now imagine being Monica Lewinsky. Oh my God. I know. So no internet, right? Right.

So this is, like, there's no way to tell what the people are siding with you or not. And everybody knows you suck the president's dick and you're 20. And you, you have to go to the store. You have to take guys. Oh.

“And if, if you don't blow a guy, he's like, what the fuck?”

You're like famous for it. Right. Yeah. I, every time she's probably giving head, she's thinking, oh my God. Why am I doing this?

This is what got me in all this trouble in the first place.

Right. I can imagine that kind of weirdness. Do you know what she did in HBO thing? She did in HBO thing way, way back in the day where she sat down to talk about what this experience has been like for her.

And it was weird because there was a guy in the audience that, like, she was like, taking questions, like, guys, in the guy in the audience was like, why are you doing this? Like, you say you don't want attention. But here you are just getting more attention talking about it. And like, you could tell like, she didn't really think that through.

Like, that someone was going to have that kind of response. And it was like, that was the end of the thing. I think that, like, you know, when you're in that kind of situation, you want to, on some level, clarify. Right.

You want to say your side of it. You're right. But you're side of it ultimately for most people is going to be trying to make yourself look better. Right. And I think that's a problem.

Yeah. That's a problem. I'm not really sure about how you feel about things. I'm not really sure about how you feel about things. I'm not really sure about things.

I'm not really sure about things. I'm not really sure about things. I'm not really sure about things. I'm not really sure about things. I'm not really sure about things.

I'm not really sure about things. I'm not really sure about things. I'm not really sure about things. I'm not really sure about things. I'm not really sure about things.

I'm not really sure about things. I'm not really sure about things. I'm not really sure about things. I'm not really sure about things. I'm not really sure about things.

I'm not really sure about things. I'm not really sure about things. I'm not really sure about things. I don't know if bands became famous. I remember we were in high school.

Let me get this straight. This is me. I go, you love them. You think they're awesome, right? Yeah.

I go, but when more people know they're awesome, then they're not awesome anymore. Because now they're mainstream. I go, do you know how fucking dumb that sounds? Either they are awesome or they are not.

They're not around, and a couple of my friends go, yeah. Yeah. This idea of being underground is fucking retarded. Why would you want that? If you're great, people are going to find out about it.

It doesn't mean you sold out. It just means other people found out you were great. You recognize something. You think you're unique in your talent to recognize really good music. And only you can appreciate it.

And if other people appreciate it, then all of a sudden it's not good. That is the dumbest fucking way to think I've ever encountered in my life. I mean, it to be fair.

“I think that the criticism of that point is when they change.”

When they're trying to reach a more broad audience. Right. But there's a lot of bands, like, in for instance, that are not doing that.

Like, people are mad at Nirvana for getting things.

Right. Like, okay. Right. I couldn't agree with Demor. I'm just being a devil's advocate.

Well, I get it. I mean, but it's, my point is, it's a human inclination. Or you feel like you're part of a small, select group that really values and appreciate something. And all these normies, these fuckheads, listening to fucking Debbie Gibson or whatever they're listening to. You don't want those assholes listening to your super cool music.

But if it's like Nirvana, guess what? It's so good that everyone is going to want to listen to that. And then it becomes big. You're like, fuck those guys. They're fucking sold out.

Like, right. It's just a dumb. You're just mad at yourself. You're mad at your life. You're mad at your position in this universe.

“Well, I think that life is just getting really difficult, too.”

Well, this is now true. Right. But we're talking about people we're doing this back in fucking 80s.

They've always done this, man.

Yeah. This is just how people behave. And you add that to the internet and it just everything's accelerated. Right. Times 10 times a hundred times a million.

Whatever the fuck it is, down. And this is just the beginning. You know, we're at the brink of something really crazy. As soon as AI takes over our society, which is, like, within years, we're going to experience the most radical change this.

What's the basics? Yeah. Like I'd say, it's literally a perfect storm. With the just the unsustainable debt. Well, that's part of it.

It's, I mean, that's a big part of it. Yeah, I mean, that's part of it. But it's like, even if there was unsustainable debt, you have an artificial life form that's emerging. Well, right.

It's more than human beings. What I'm saying is that-- And it has autonomy.

“The unsustainable debt, like already over a trillion dollars,”

just paying for the interest alone. Right. Like there's all that now, like, you know, other nations, central banks, whatever, like, they want to de-dollarize. They're not buying the United States treasuries the way they were.

And that's like how the United States has been able to overspend is because they can sell the treasuries. Now without people selling the treasuries, the only buyer of the treasuries is the Fed, and they're buying the treasuries with printing money.

Is that accurate? I think it's-- Other countries aren't buying our treasuries alone. The less so. It's becoming less.

It's, of course, there's still, like, the United States treasuries is the most liquid, like, you know, but less so. So when it becomes more difficult for the United States to sell its treasuries, they've got to increase the yield, which means bigger interest payments. So at a certain point, it's, like, just paying the interest on the debt

is, like, a crippling thing. And by the Fed printing money, the way they're printing, you can't inflate the money supply without devaluing the dollar.

“So inflation, more and more, it's going to be a thing.”

Maybe not why more Germany or, like, Zimbabwe inflation, but still, inflation is not going to go away. You just can't have the money supply increase without that being the case. And so, people's purchasing power goes down. Their wages aren't going up, so.

Like, people are getting more and more squeezed with how much money they can afford to spend, and then on top of that AI comes and wipes out all their jobs. Yeah. It's spooky. It's spooky.

Because no one really knows exactly what's going to happen. Or how it's going to happen. Or how people will be compensated in order to keep society functional. You know, Elon has this utopian vision of universal high income. Yeah, you be high.

You know, where's the base? No, no. Yeah, you know, his utopian vision is that so much money will be generated from AI that you'll be able to give people universal high income. So they won't have to work.

And so they'll be able to do whatever they want to do with their life. That's the ideal perspective.

The problem is, obviously, that people find a lot of identity in their work.

Sure. Especially if you went school for it, you love it. This is the thing you've done. You've been a lawyer, your whole life. You've been a doctor, your whole life.

You've been a this, your whole life. And also an AI comes in and wipes that out and we're going to do. You're going to play golf all day. Right. And then you have a fixed income now because even if it's universal high income,

there's no incentive for you to work harder and get more things done and make more money, which is what drives a lot of people and drives a lot of innovation. So then it's all innovation left up to artificial intelligence. Is that what we're really going to do? Because that seems kind of crazy.

It's a great idea. Because it's a great idea. Because it's a great idea. - You go. I mean, like, you're in here doing these podcast all the time,

but you have seen you with like, you know, like, you don't have to be doing this. - Everything I do is fun. I do everything I do for free. And I do all the time.

I do stand up for free all the time.

Everybody does. Everybody does.

“- Oh, my God, did I have so much fucking fun at Killtony last night?”

- Oh, it's the best show.

It's the best show. - She's so unbelievably talented. - He's the best host of any live comedy show rather of all time. - There's no way. - He's so good at it.

- Like, like, the amount of time when something is presented, that he nails the funniest possible thing that you could react. - Yeah, like it's written. Like, you had a team of writers sitting there for a hundred percent.

- A week. - Coming up with the best line. And it busts off the top of his head. And it's always mean. (laughing)

- He's the best. - Okay. - He's the best. I know that he's sensitive about a man. He wouldn't have wanted me to say I was on in last night.

- What? - Because he's before the show, he'd ask the audience don't give away the secret of who's the guest. - Doesn't matter. - All right.

- Then I'll say one thing because it was a show. - Don't say what happened. 'Cause this show's gonna come up before that. - Right, right. - Don't do that.

- I'd tell you that. It's just suffice it to say that Tony Hingecliffe has got to be the fastest, widiest, fucking comic I've ever been. - Well, he's the best at that format. Like, and he created it, right?

So it's like a genius idea. Have comics, do one minute. It would do comics have done one minute.

The first time they've ever been on stage

at Madison Square Garden in front of 16,000 people and fucking eight dick. - Right. - It's a great show. And then he has, you know, guys like David Tows,

Shane Gillish, new fucking Harlin is like one of the greatest guests of all time. - Oh, no. - Yeah, yeah, I don't know. - That was amazing.

He's got, I mean, there's just so many. - Right, and like-- - Calls on again, who says like five different characters that are incredible. - Such high level comics.

- Uh-huh. - Adam Ray. - I mean, maybe the world will run right, but I'm saying like high level feature comics. - Uh-huh.

- Who aren't like super known. - Who do one minute as well. - You're seeking out to go. I brought my opener from tour. And a guy who's not like widely known,

but I just love him, and he's so funny, he's so good. - And he puts his name in the barrel. - Put his name in the barrel. - That's the thing, too. If people ask you me to get them on kill Tony,

I cannot. No one can. That is true. That barrel is legit. That barrel is legit.

- Nice. - You reach into that barrel, Tony grabs whatever piece of paper his hands touch, and he pulls it out.

And that's how it's always been done.

And that's how he's always going to do. 'Cause people come to a mall of time. Hey, could you get my friend on the show? He's like, I cannot do that. - It's like, that is the show.

- Thank God, it's got to be chance. It's got to be great us. That's part of the fun of it. - Right. - And then every now and then,

someone that you've never heard of comes up and does a minute and everybody goes, fuck yeah, that was awesome. - And they kill it, and also they have a career. - Right.

- It's great, okay. - It's the cornerstone to stand up, too. It really is. Because it's wild, it's like there are no rules. It's no holds barred, and it's, you've got great comics

on the panel, and it has launch careers. - Sure, because of that, it is so important for us having Kiltony at the club. It's so important because it sets the tone for all these comics to know like, hey,

this isn't just like some random thing

“of, I don't know what I'm doing, how do I figure it out?”

How do I get seen? Like, there's a pathway, and if you can get on a Kiltony, and if you can work your ass off before then and build up a real solid routine and go on there and kill it, you can have a fucking career.

It's real. - Yep, and then the club has two nights of open mic nights and there's a real development program and a real talent coordinator, Adam E. Good, who watches sets and gives feedback.

- The opener that I'm talking about, and he drove all the way from Tampa to be there last night. His name's Chris Harvey. I love his six foot, four, 480 pounds. Like, missing Tuesday's beard, funniest guy.

- Where's he from? - He's from Ohio, is it Daytona? I'm not sure where, where not, but I was at a comedy club in Fort Wayne, Indiana. And he just set him up to open for me.

I watched his set. I was like, what are you doing for the next three weeks? - Oh, that's awesome. That's awesome. So he get up on the open mic.

- Yeah, that's where I texted Tony. Like, I've got the opener, can I get him on? And Tony said, I can get him in the bucket who knows about pull him out, but I can also get him on the open mic to perform for the booker.

So he did that. - Nice, nice. - And yeah.

“- It's important that you can't just get on the show.”

- Yeah, because then his phone would be just overrun with people, get my boy on, and then some of them suck. - That makes perfect sense. - Yeah, you have to just let it happen. If they suck, they suck, they don't,

you know, it's like anything can happen. And that's part of the beauty of it. It's like a real magical moment when you reach into that bucket and you pull out a name and rob, smith, and then Bob smith comes on out and gives it a shot.

- I don't like being on the end. - 'Cause you're too close to these psychos.

You never know, like, I'm always on edge.

That's funny. You want to be like protected by one body. - Apologies to Tony for giving away that I was on the last night. - He's on good to care.

- That, you know, I want to talk about, I watched Bryan Cowland special, very recent at the mothership, like it was like, you got all these people, like, you know, whenever anybody put that's the thing about fucking comedy

is it's so subjective that, like, it's just, if anybody can shit on a special if they want. And I saw these like the YouTube videos, like all Bryan Cowland's the most worst bomb is gonna end his career and I was like, come on, like,

I mean, I was like, let me watch this. - I fucking enjoyed the hell out of Bryan Cowland special is one that he just taped with the mothership. - That's great. You gotta stop paying attention to people.

- Yeah, I enjoy.

- But people want it to suck.

- Like, yeah. - Like, yeah. - People think, every they think, sheppels last special sucked. - Oh my god, can't talk about that.

- I didn't, I haven't seen it yet, so. - Okay, but I heard it was awesome. - For people that I trust. - The reod comedy festival, right? Like, it was such like an apocalyptic, fucking nuclear bomb

in the world. - Did you go to that? - I didn't, no, but like, there was so much backlash for people who went to it. And there were like individual comics had their own

way of kind of defending their move to, you know, a lot of comics were very defensive about how they went and a lot of them and maybe like we're seemed a little bit disingenuous about like about in their defense.

And then, dude, Dave Chappelle put out this special.

And so unapologetic about him being at the reod comedy, it was just like, it was so fucking masterful. - He's a master. - The way he was just like, oh, like I went to reod and got paid like a fucked out of money to do comedy.

And like, so unapologetic, and it was just like, oh my God. - Well, the idea is that you support the regime

“by doing stand up over there, which I think is crazy”

'cause you're doing it for the audience members and the audience members have no saying who their government is. They're literally like, I'm not even, I don't even have a judgment whatsoever, especially

because have I ever not watched a UFC event because it happened in Saudi Arabia or Dubai or wherever. - Right, right. - You don't do that with supporting events, but you do it with comedy.

I think the ideas that comedians are supposed to be social commentators and they're supposed to carry a baton for free speech. And one of the particularly egregious things that's been attributed to Saudi Arabia

was the murder of Jamal Khashoggi, who's a journalist from the Washington Post, who was killed at the Turkish embassy and they kind of moped with a fucking bone song and that's a dark shit. Yeah, I get it.

I get the criticism and I get people saying, well, I'm gonna perform for my audience and my audience is over there. And if they say, I can't make fun of,

“I think you can't make fun of the monarchy.”

You can't make fun of the leaders or the government and you can't make fun of Islam or religion. I think maybe might just be religion periods. - Yeah, I think it was, you can't be disparaging of Islam or the royal family.

- Yeah. All right, well, you got to decide that. If you know what those the parameters are, you know? If you maybe it doesn't fit with your act at all or maybe you're like, I don't have any bits

about the royal family or I could just go over and do my act for a bunch of people on censor. - Right, I mean, I thought about it. - I don't see both sides. - I don't give a shit one way or the other.

My only input here is the Dave Shipowl like, check made it. - Of course. - He handles everything perfectly. And again, he's not on social media.

He's not paying attention to people's opinions of him. You cannot, because there's so many people that had decided that he was a horrible transphobe for telling a story about his transgender friend. Like, I mean, literally told the story

about this person in his act and people didn't care, because he made jokes about trans people. Like, of course, it's in the public eye. This idea that you can't joke about something is, if there's a thing you can't joke about,

that thing is fucked up.

“And that's why the Lakota used to have like a sacred clown”

that called it a hyoka. And a hyoka was like a member of the community that was supposed to make fun of everything. And if you couldn't make fun of anything, then you knew something was wrong with that thing.

Because if there's a thing that you can't joke around about, that thing has been compromised. All right, 'cause you can kind of joke around about everything, if it's actually funny, no matter what it is. - Sure.

- Even tragedy given to enough time, you can joke around about it. - Yep. - I mean, you could do a 9/11 joke right now

- Oh my god, you remind me of what I think

“was the funniest fucking tweet that I ever saw”

from Jeff Ross. Going back that the year I wanna say was like a 2016, the magic castle in Los Angeles. There was, like in the magicians,

what a magician was found hanging in the closet in the magic castle. - Yeah, he committed suicide. - He had taken his own life. - Yeah.

- That morning, Jeff Ross tweeted that his last words were Abra Cadaver. (laughing) - That's crazy, that's fucking funny. - That's such a Jeff Ross type joke.

That's a Tony Hitchcliffe type joke to him. - Yeah, that's really good to have her.

- Yeah, I mean, if there's a thing

that you can't make fun of, that thing is usually bullshit. And if that thing is trans people, like then you are ignoring that there's a glaring hole

“in this narrative that you're trying to push”

and whether or not people are accepting that narrative. - You know, I'll be spilling out some of the steps that I have in my current hour, and I really don't mind. For me, I feel like the bars got to keep getting higher

and keep getting higher. And so as I went into putting together this new hour that I'm touring with, one of my multimedia bits, like, ended up not being a really great idea, but I thought, I'm gonna get a fucking boob job.

- Oh yeah, I heard both of them. - Right, I did it. - Did you do it? - I didn't.

I was within 10 hours of being under the knife.

And the universe just intervened, right? - 'Cause I have to cut your muscle, man. - Right. - Wow, I mean, you know the, - Don't they?

Or do they go into the skin? They go into the skin? - You can do it in multiple different ways. I was told, I was interested in just the idea, because like, I'm now in my 50s, right?

And so like my whole new hour is the theme of it

“is how the fuck is Steve O. supposed to be in his 50s?”

You know, like, and so with the putting the stuff up in my butt section is like the importance of, like, we're at an age, we gotta get prostate exams, colonoscopies, you know, that's a real thing. And so I'm trying to like, destigmatize the prostate exam.

- Right, that's where they are. - I definitely not put things up your ass for entertainment. (laughing) I'm blending it together, and it's pretty awesome. And one of my things is like, you know,

it's right of passage from men in middle age to one day you realize, holy fuck, I'm getting to it. You know, like, like, I, I, I know just said one time, like, I'm fucking, like, dimples. You know, like, actual fucking underbube over here.

And it's fucking like, this wasn't supposed to happen to me. And so like, that kind of was my motivation. I'm like, if this is gonna happen, then like, I'm lashing out a father time, I'm gonna get a boob job. So I had the guy famous plastic surgeon

from botched, Deterry Dubro on my podcast now. - Does he want those guys to fix his people? - Yeah, botched, he's great, I love that guy. Happened to be brothers with the lead singer of a quiet riot, too.

- No way. - Yeah, come off you. - Yeah, Terry Dubro, and that's crazy, he was epic. So on the podcast, I was like, I'm thinking about him for wild, crazy stunt.

Like, get, get a, you know, a boob job, and then just like, film a bunch of pranks and stunts and then get it out. You know, like, wild publicity stunt. I feel like the whole world's gonna know about it.

And he, he had me take off my shirt and he's like, he's like, yeah, your skin is already loosened up. You could fit double D implants. He says, but you gotta get him out within two months or the stretching would be unmanageable.

And I'm like, and in my head, I'm thinking, this is the loudest fucking craziest, like this is where the bar's at, you know, like that, you need better friends. - You really do.

- The level of commitment to do something that fucked up. Like, I just thought, and now I was really into the idea and I got super- - Call me next time. (laughing) - Just fucking call me dude.

- You know, Dana said the same thing. - Yeah, I don't do that at all. - Dana said the same thing. But so now, like, I had blabbed it to the media, which is why you oughta be heard about it.

That, so, you know, there are all these articles. It's the night before my fucking operation and I get a phone call from the doctors, whatever guy. It says, hey, buddy, we had a snag man, like, the anesthesiologist backed out.

You know, we got to reschedule the surgery. I'm like, fuck man, so now the next day, they're trying to reschedule it.

And the person ringing me up on the cash register

“is, like, seems pretty evidently transgender.”

And I'm just like, dude. It's like, the fucking universe is giving me signs over here, you know, and so I asked this. Didn't even occur to me at this point that I'm gonna, that I need to, like, run it by anybody,

'cause I'm like fucking, my body, my choice, who cares. You know, I'm doing a dumb stunt to, like, you know, be crazy. But in the situation, talk to this transgender person, like, hey, can I run something by you, can I? And I spoke with them.

They described to me a level of oppression that genuinely fucking broke my heart. They said, hey, let me tell you. Like, I am not allowed to use the bathroom at my own place of work.

We've got, like, positive. They're just not allowed to use the bathroom. It doesn't align with their biological sex. Okay. All right.

But you got to realize, they're not all, listen. I genuinely think there's people that feel like they are in the wrong biological sex, right?

“But there's also people that are fucking perverts.”

And they have a thing called autogynophilia. And what that is is they get a turn on by pretending to be a woman. They get excited by it. And they want to be around women. And they're creeps.

And so you give them a fucking Willy walk a golden ticket to go into the women's locker room. And the women's bathroom and stare at women to pretend you're a woman. When you're just a crazy man, and you're actually

into women, that's real, too, man. I don't doubt that that's real. And I know that it's a super complex, nuanced thing. And I--

Yeah, but here's what's not complex.

What is your chromosomes? Great. OK, this is the same thing for competing. All these fucking mental gymnastics that seemingly intelligent people do

to justify biological males competing with females. Oh, I'm with the narrow thing in my body. It's the same thing, it's the same thing. And especially speaking as a man who has daughters, like there are creeps.

And if you give a creep, and I'm not saying all trans people are creep. But a lot of these fucking people that are in trouble for going into women's bathrooms just as a woman with a fucking beard and a heart on are just that. They're crazy, man.

They're crazy, man. And these crazy men, they're entire life. They would get beaten up for that. Now, all of a sudden, they have to be accepted. So you've got two things going on at the same time.

For sure. You've got people with gender dysphoria that genuinely wish they were a woman or genuinely wish they were a man. And by the way, it's men that are the problem. No one gives a fuck about trans men going into the men's bathroom.

Come on in, who cares? Who cares? Oh, a girl is going to shit next to you. Or what are you going to do? She's going to pee out of a funnel.

What are you going to do? Like, no one's going to get hurt. No one's going to get hurt. This is the problem. When you allow purverts to have this hall pass

to go into women's locker rooms in bathrooms. So you can't say you're not allowed to use the bathroom where you work. That's not true. You're just not allowed to use the women's room

where other women are in there because you're not a woman. And I know you wish you were a woman or whatever's going on. But you're not. You make a very, very good point. If you're a woman, talk to most women about this.

And it's unless they're insanely captured by this woke ideology where they can't see reality in the fact that purverts are still a real fucking thing. Yeah, and this loophole. You've given loopholes like there's men in prison.

“I think it's like 47 biological males in California”

are house and women's prisons. Some of them are sex offenders. Some of them in Canada, there's a guy in Canada that they had a pay for his boot job while he was in jail for being a sex offender

and they put him in a women's prison. Yeah, I'm not arguing with him. There's men who have pretended to be women gone into women's prison. Had sex with women and impregnated them,

there's men who have sexually assaulted and raped women in prison that are pretending to be women. With functional dicks, all they have to do is identify air quotes. When you just have to identify, that's it.

No operation, no nothing, identify. That is bonkers. And do you think they're giving them estrogen when they get in prison? Do they give normal replacement therapy to people in prison?

I don't know. I don't know, but even then it's still a man with estrogen. You can't escape your fucking chromosomes, okay? And until you can, until there's some sort of a crisper thing

that you really want to be a woman, we can turn you into an actual woman. Until that happens, what you're dealing with is a form of gender dysphoria,

which has always been classified as a mental illness.

Until people became much more empathetic and sensitive

Right.

“And you make it completely valid argument.”

Nobody should be able to tell you,

you can't do something fucking stupid like a boob job because they are transgender. That's what you said. I understand my experience was that I didn't get any of this sense that this was an creepy pervert and anything like that.

I just thought that. They don't have to be a creepy pervert, right. But it's still a man. I understand. I just thought, man, I heard what they had to say,

but politicians trying to put them in internment camps. Who's doing that? What politicians are saying, they should be put in internment camps. I think there was some kind of-- There might be one cook out there

that's saying that to try to get attention. There's no movement to try to put transgender people in internment camps. Okay. Well, then I'll land on this.

Do you know who's killed more people than ice this year? Trans shooters.

Do you know the majority of these high school shootings

have been transgender people? Yeah, I did not know that. Yeah. Oh, how many of them? There was one recently.

And yeah, it's a lot of them. You know why? Because they're giving them psych medications, they're giving them a bunch of crazy hormones. And a lot of them probably have mental struggles already

and they're ostracized from society and fill in the blank. And then they're empowered by thinking that the world has done something bad to them and that there's a genocide against trans people and the attack, shake, rolling, and they attack all these people.

Martina Navarto Lova, who's like a famous lesbian for being a bigot because she doesn't want biological men competing with women in tennis. It's nuts, man. And it's either you go by biology or you do not.

Either you go by XY chromosome or then you're in this weird fucking gray area where someone could just tell you they're a woman.

“And that's how you get men and women's prisons.”

Yeah. All right. You have convinced me? It doesn't mean you can't be kind. Yeah, it doesn't mean you can't.

I try to be kind to everyone and if I meet someone as trans, if they want me to call them Stacy or whatever, they're like, I know a couple trans people. My friend Jim Norton is married to a trans woman. Yeah, I'm super cool with them, hugger every time I see her.

I'm cool with that. But at the end of the day, if I was a woman, I want biological women in my, I think the solution is individual bathrooms whenever feasible. And if you want to have an all gender bathroom,

oh, good luck with the legal ramifications of that. If it's a bar because then any guy can fucking go in there and any guy and girl can do it. If it's a multiple stall bathroom.

But the solution is XY chromosome.

And the solution is like, if a guy walks into the men's room with a dress on and he's trans, just leave him alone. Leave him alone. Let him go to the bathroom. Like, what is the big deal?

Yeah, like at the end of the day, we have to understand that like, what is more important? One person's feelings or the safety of all these women. And the safety of all these women is much more important. So you've got to be kind to people.

But also, you've got to have rules. There's a reason why there's a woman's room and a men's room. It's 'cause some men are fucking creeps. And if you allow those creeps to just put on a dress, well, you, and again, I'm not saying all trans people are like this.

And all, but you can't have that loophole. You can't, let's like, you can't have an open border. Doesn't mean that all immigrants are murderers and you don't think that either, right? But some people that sneak across the board

if you don't check are going to be murderers. It's just the fact. Yeah.

“So you have to have a fucking closed board to check.”

And you have to have a gender board or two. Yeah, well, God dammit. Yeah, and my only takeaway from my experience that I was relating to is that it made me feel compassionate. Well, that's--

And I want to be a good guy. That's good. A better reason would be it's fucking stupid because they're the good job. Don't do it.

No one's gonna like you more. I think you're cool 'cause you got a boob job, but 52. I'm glad I'm glad the-- Hold, you know? 51.

Yeah, that's too old for a boob job. Yeah. Even if you're a girl. I'm a-- Unless you get just got divorced, you're like,

I need some new dick, I don't know. I'm really glad that I didn't do it. Yeah, me too. Yeah. If you were here with a boob, with two giant boobs,

I'd be like, I don't know what to say to this guy. This is so stupid. You know, who was-- who was into the idea? I thought it was fucking really funny was bird. Oh, God.

Of course. Also he has his own boobs. [LAUGHTER] Right. Work goes back and forth, but he's right now.

He's a-- he quit drinking for like six months. Amen. And he's-- He's a little bit of a health scare. His-- fucking sitcom and Netflix is really good.

He's funny, man. He's a fun dude. It's just like, he's another guy that is like a little overexposed. He does so much promotion and so much stuff, like you. You know, like, to talk about that thing

you get a lot of negative feedback for over-promoting shows.

But don't listen. Don't watch it. Who cares? Right.

“If you think he's promoting himself too much,”

just don't pay attention. Let me run this button. There's shit to be angry about in the world. Sure. Burke, Chrysher, promoting a comedy special,

is not on that list. Right. Let me run this button. OK. The-- OK.

So I decided, like, I'm only going to promote things that are healthy, or at the very least, don't do harm. I felt really good about that. All right. So when you're promoting that, you have a problem with.

Well, I see this guy Brian Johnson, the-- Oh, the guy wants to live forever. Yeah, the guy wants to live forever. I'm fascinated by him. OK.

I had him on my podcast, and he's unique guy. But I see him, he's on this warpath against AG1. And I'm like, God damn it. I'm like-- Well, he's also competing himself on my mind.

Right. That sounds--

Here's the thing about it.

I-- for what it's worth, I drink AG1 every goddamn day. It's vitamin. It's a multivitamin. It's not the end all be all. It's going to fix your health, but vitamins are good for you.

And if you can get vitamins and assemble travel pack, like AG1 has, and throw them in your book bag and take them with you places, it's better than not having vitamins. Period.

That's it. That's all it is. Yeah. I think part of the problem that people have with AG1 is maybe they overstated some of the benefits of the probiotics

and prebiotics, like when people have analyzed the nutrient density of these packs and what the ingredients is, that's been their criticism. But criticizing a multivitamin that you're taking in a liquid form, like that seems kind of silly.

“Like, it's-- is it going to be the best thing”

that you've ever done for your health? No, being in shape and eating well is the best thing you've ever done for your health. But having some sort of nutritional insurance, some sort of a little thing, little thing

that you add to your food every day, your-- Philly, it's designed to fill in the gaps in your diet. It's a good thing to have vitamins. Period. That's it.

Vitamins are good. And it tastes good. I like it. A lot of people say AG is very similar to taste good. I like the way.

You know, and if you think it's too expensive, or you think it's not good enough, then OK, don't take it. Whatever. But if you take it, it's not bad for you. There's a lot of things that are bad for you.

AG1's not bad for you. It's fucking vitamins. It's pretty simple. Pretty simple stuff. OK, good. Take it or don't take it.

Who cares? You know, people worry too much. Again, about stupid fucking shit. You have a brief amount of time in this. You're halfway dead, Baba.

You know, how much time on this planet to be worried about stupid shit? Thank you, Joe. Yeah. Thank you.

Don't do it, man. OK, I want to-- I just want to be a good guy. Yeah. That's my thing. Then just be a good guy.

But don't worry about it all the time. Good. That shouldn't good for you. Yeah. Don't be in your head.

You know what? If you're in your head worrying about your public image, you're in your head worried about where you are in your career, you're in your head. Just do your best.

Yeah. Do your best all the time. Yeah. If you enjoy what you're doing, and you do your best, everything's going to be fun.

Yeah. Or not. I-- Well, you die. You know, like, you can't control that either.

So what do you just keep going? Yeah. Just stop being in your head. Everybody is like, you know, you've got this all mapped out in a lot of what your map and out is.

Other people's opinions of you. And like, oh, there's no better way to fuck up your life than to live for other people's opinions. There you go. Yeah.

“Do self auditing, do some self assessing, you know?”

There's many times in my life when I'm unhappy with myself. And so I don't-- I fix it. Figure it out. Fix it. Do better.

Do fix that. Fix this. Don't do as much of that. Do less of this. Do more of what you think is good, you know?

Yep. Try to be a nicer person, try to be kind. Like, it's like, you can-- But don't sit around worrying about what each individual commenter thinks about you.

God, that's crazy for you. It's-- you're absorbing too much negativity. And this is the message that I give to everybody. Look, there's a great benefit to social media.

It's an amazing tool and it's changed society.

However, it's just like gambling. It's just like pornography. It's just like food. You can get wrapped up in it and it can be your whole fucking life if you let it.

It's been over a decade since I watched porn. That's awesome. Yeah. Good to see them. And some people, it's been about five minutes.

Some people are watching porn on a split screen right now when we're watching this. They're jacking off right now to a gang bang where they listen to Steve O. Talk about how-- Oh, you're missing out.

You know how many people are subscribed to OnlyFans. We were looking this up the other day. It's like, what are the numbers of Americans?

It's some insanely shocking number.

“It's like a hundred plus million subscribers”

to OnlyFans. Man. And then with women, it's somewhere between like the ages of 18 to like 20 something. It's like 10% of the population is on OnlyFans.

As content creators. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. So that's what's weird.

It's because like if you think about it, if you fuck on camera, right? You're kind of your porn star, right? But maybe you're only fucking your boyfriend. Maybe you wear a mask.

Okay. But are you doing it for money? What if you have sex with other people for money? Is that prostitution? So what if they just said, well, let's just

legalize prostitution? Do you know how many fucking people would become prostitutes if they got desperate? Like Uber driver, prostitute, right? You know, what do I do?

Like there's a lot of people who would go into prostitution. And some people think they should have that right to do that. And it should be freedom and freedom of expression and freedom of occupation. And then other people will go, that might not be the best

for society. I had this crazy thought at one point. What are the numbers for OnlyFans? There's no official numbers.

It's somewhere in the range of 150 million.

But 104% of those are actually people who pay. Oh, how's that work? Well, they're free accounts. Oh, okay. So what percentage do people pay?

Sorry, four percent. Four? Four point two. Four? Oh, so there's a hundred million people accessing

free content and four percent of the users actually compete paid transactions. Wait a minute. But does it cost money to join? Nope.

It doesn't cost to join. The person who's making the content. So is a paid transaction mean you subscribed? Depends.

“So if you go on OnlyFans, you have to subscribe”

to each person's content, right? Yes. Okay. So it's only four percent that are doing that. So over a hundred million creepers,

they're just checking it out. Oh, well, that's where you go. People have multiple accounts. Right. That's a good point.

Why? Well, various reasons, I wasn't good at it. James, I won't book out.

I've never subscribed to one another.

Of course not. I was joking. But I mean, so four percent is not as much, but it's still. Four people that are paying four or five million people.

Yeah, it's still a lot. Paying. And what are the percentage of young girls that are on OnlyFans as content creators? And they're not all shown the coach.

Some of them are just little nips. They'll slip, maybe just a bikini shot, you know, G string, bend over, but it's still. But then we've got like the bad baby chick make like $50 million on there.

I know, that's crazy. What did you do on there? I don't know. I have no idea. According to these numbers, four to 4.6 million creators

worldwide with one million of them being in America. Oh, that's it. So when they said it's 10% of girls, 18 to 49,

“what percentage of girls, not 18 to 25, I think that was the number?”

What percentage of girls put that in 18 to 25 in America are having a count on OnlyFans? Percentage of girls between 18 to 25 in America have an account on OnlyFans. OK, let's see here.

Let's see what it says, 10%. 14% of American women, aged 18 to 24, have an OnlyFans account. That's crazy, dude. That is really crazy.

That's crazy. 14% of American women, aged 18 to 24, have an OnlyFans account. That is wild. It's just to estimate though, just for argument's sake.

Yes. There are not official numbers. I don't think it anyway. I had this crazy thought hypothetically. It's a crazy estimate.

Hypothetically, if you had like a brick and mortar establishment with a bunch of chicks in there. And we're also mean. Right, yeah. And ordained minister, so that like a guy could walk in,

pick out a woman and marry them. marry them on the spot. So then now that's your wife and you are consummating your marriage. That's got to be totally legal. And then as you leave the establishment,

you and all the marriage. Is that not like a, with that not just our, that's a loophole, that's a prostitution loophole. Well, one thing you could do is you could have a thing where you could fall in love immediately

and get married and give someone a citizenship. Right. But as soon as you. But they come and visit you. They want to see if you're like really in love.

It's cool. Let me see a hold hands. I know. Let me see a kiss.

I know a bunch of people who have gotten married

for just citizenship. Oh, yeah, I know a dude who married girlfriend citizenship. Yeah. I bad, but you got to stay married. Yeah.

It was, he did it for her. She was a park where was she from. I forget. But they didn't even really have a relationship. I think she was from Russia.

They didn't really see, they seem to attend to be from Russia. Yeah, she, it was just like they made a deal. I think it was a financial deal. This is the 90's. She's dead now.

“OK, I want to ask you, do you believe in reincarnation?”

I don't not believe in it. I think that there's like pretty solid evidence. It's not irrefutable, but like you got little kids that are giving details that check out total, like, you know, and then they know like, there's another alternative. That alternative is genetic memory.

So we know that some memories are transferred through genes. And this is one of the reasons why a rack nephobia exists. A rack nephobia is in a rational fear of spiders. Right. The idea is that at some point in your genetic lineage, someone got really fucked up by

a spider. Either you witness someone dying from a spider or you almost died from a spider by. And that memory is transferred through the genes, the same with a video phobia, which is a fear of snakes. There's a rational fear that some people have that they attribute to a possible genetic memory.

And there's also genetic memories that are in animals that we know for a fact, like a dog does not have to be taught, like I have a golden retriever, Marshall, Marshall. He's the best. And you don't have to teach Marshall to bring a ball back. He's a retriever.

He has some sort of a genetic memory. And he also, I didn't have to teach him to pee on a bush and lift his leg, like he knew how to do that. He's in their, it's in their system, right? There's a bunch of things that are in their system.

Because they see animals that get excited, they want to bite them, like it's not a learn behavior, like that dog's super well fed, but he will fuck a squirrel up if he catches it. Why? Because it's in his genetics.

It's in his brain instinct. Right. So then, with humans, think about all the different things that humans learn and think of all the different fears that humans have and how many of them are programmed.

“Like, Rupert Sheldrick had a really important point once about what children are afraid of.”

He goes, "Do you think about it? What are children afraid of?" They're afraid of monsters in the dark, right? They're not afraid of child molesters, or murderers, or rapists, or car accidents, they're not afraid of.

They're not afraid of things that really can harm them. They're afraid of monsters.

And most children, especially living in a city, have never seen a monster, right?

So why are they afraid of this thing? Well, it's because there's a genetic memory of us being preyed on by cats and big cats who killed people forever, hid in the trees, they hid in the dark, and you would go out to get water, and they'd fuck you up and kill you. And so that is in little kids' memories.

So if there's this kind of peripheral abstract memories, or really radical, sharp memories that don't make sense, like a rack of phobia and things like that, it's so possible that it's not just those things that are transferred through the genetics, but also learned experiences and maybe even information. You just don't have a way of expressing it yet.

It's one of the reasons why you'll notice that a lot of the children of talented musicians are really talented, even when they're adopted, even when they grow up in different families. They might have never even been around that parent, but they have, like, some sort of innate musical talent, or literary talent, or something. I think there's some things that get transferred in DNA that were not totally aware of.

It's not like you get a menu list of all the things that you've got from your parents.

“Oh, my dad was in the history, that's why I'm in the history, look at all these things.”

I think there's a lot of stuff that transfers that maybe gets filed away, and maybe other people have access to those memories that you don't. Like there's weird levels of memory retention. We were talking about Mary Lou Henner from Taxi the other day. What's that disease she has?

It's not a disease. It's the opposite of a disease. It's an amazing ability.

She has this incredible ability.

You can tell her, July 2nd, 1976, she could tell you it was a Tuesday. She could tell you what happened. What was in the news? Wow. Who did what she did, what course she was wearing, highly superior autobiographical memory.

Now, imagine if that, whatever that is, that incredible memory is passed genetically occasionally and passed into some children, and then they don't just get the memory of their own life, but they get the memory of previous lives that other people have lived. Okay. So you think about how many different generations of human beings had to exist before

You have all of this DNA and all of this information inside of your genes, supposedly.

Maybe you can access some of that, and that some of it that you're accessing might be what we're calling reincarnation. Okay. What does this genesis the doctor who is a specialist in reincarnation at the University of Virginia, his name is Dr. Jim Tucker, he's continuing the work of a previous doctor.

I think Hammond is his last name. Interesting. These are the two most repeated stories I've heard about that day that people talk about there's a kid that repeats stories of playing crash when he was a pilot. Hmm.

He's got a lot of this. There's further videos I've watched on this kid. So many details are inside. Details verified against historical records of a pilot who died 50 years earlier, matching exactly despite no prior family exposure.

Well, that's very different.

“So people and recognize them, I think, can even point it out.”

Well, yes.

Okay, so that, but here's the thing.

If that kid is not related in any way to this person who died from the playing crash, then we're talking about something totally different then. But what you are getting at, there is discussions of this kind of overall work. I think it's on here where people talk about this. Deepak Chopra says it's a little bit like quantum physics.

So how this happens isn't known, obviously, because this guy even says, it starts at things like age two and by age five or so, all the memories are kind of gone and they don't remember this stuff anymore. Wow. It's very fleet.

You can't really ask a lot of questions. They have to just tell you. And if you start asking too many questions, they freak out something that kids start crying and they don't need, like, it goes well. Wow.

It's very odd, but there's-- Well, it's really odd. This is, it goes away. Yeah.

“But as you were saying, Mary Lou Henner, hers doesn't even start until she was age 11.”

Interesting.

Yeah, it's always a little kid for that.

It's always little kids that have memories of past lives. And they're supposed to name the Dalai Lama based on a kid having a memory, you know, it's supposed to be a reincarnation thing. So, you know, I'm fascinated by that and also kind of in the same vein of it. So many irrefutable examples of where consciousness is evident separate from the brain.

Like you've got the, you know, like people with no brain activity whatsoever, you know, like they're officially dead, you know, they're in the hospital. And they wake up, come back to life or whatever the case may be, and they're explaining to the doctor what was happening while they were unconscious. Yeah.

And to the extent that that can maybe be explained from what we know they were in the room, a lot of these cases, they wake up and they say what the doctor was doing in a different part of the hospital, you know, like there's a case of a guy. A doctor, he was like, you know, I had a patient and, you know, he's in the cafeteria at the hospital.

“He gets like spills and spigetti on his shirt or something.”

He's like, oh man, I got a stain on my shirt and so he like puts his lab coat, you know, over it and then does it up. And then the patient wakes up and says, oh, yeah, he's spelled the chin on your shirt. You know, like there's a lot of evidence of consciousness like operating separate from the brain.

And the most fascinating conversation with Duncan Trussle about the idea that the brain is not a generator, it's not a transmitter, it's an antenna, yeah, it's an antenna. Yeah. You know, and that explains a lot of stuff to me, you know, about about the soul. I was saying to Duncan Trussle, imagine that we're more, we're more of a radio, like

an antenna. You know, like, you can take a radio and with a sledgehammer, just smash it to smithereens. You've done nothing to disrupt the actual signal. So that, you know, that signal can now tune in and be picked up by another radio. And that kind of explains reincarnation to me on some level.

And Duncan Trussle here is that because, yeah, he got so many fucking people walking around. They don't realize they're radio, they think they're the fucking Beatles. That's hilarious. Yeah. Duncan Trussle.

He's so good. That's a unique human. Yeah, and so all of this stuff is like super fascinating to me. It is interesting, but there's no answers. So it's like, there's a reason why so many societies and so many civilizations for a long

time have believed in reincarnation after life that there's some sort of disembodied

There's a reason. Conscious.

But then it gets really weird.

It's like they've also believed in beings that have come down from the heavens. So what are those pyramids? Yeah. What are those things? What's that about?

Who are those people? How about near-death experiences?

“Well, near-death experiences, you could attribute to a lot of things, right?”

One of the things you could attribute to is an endogenous dump of psychedelic chemicals that we know the brain makes under stress. And one of the big ones is dimethyl trip domain, which we know your body makes.

And there's a lot of people that think that it's sort of a chemical gateway, and that

that what you're doing is getting a peek into the afterlife, that when you are having these DMT experiences and that when you're having a near-death experience, that's your brain flooding with DMT to prepare you for leaving this world. OK. It's just weird that they all have a very similar thing about going through a tunnel and

a light at the end of the tunnel. It's like this, it's a journey. And what is, you know, I haven't had a near-death experience. I don't know what it's like. You know, who had one, Jeremy Ranner.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. With this snowmobile, I'm so fascinated by near-death experience videos on YouTube. We've got thousands of people who have had the experience of dying on the other side. And they describe what's called life review. OK.

Like, there's the saying that everybody's familiar with that when you die, your life flashes before your eyes. However, the way that these people describe it, it's that on the other side of death, like, as, you know, a spirit, like somehow the concept of time is like, doesn't apply anymore.

You've got, like, it's not like that your life flashes before your eyes because time isn't like a, there's no time constraint. So you've got, like, you know, unfathomable, like immersion, you know, without time. And that it's not that you're, you know, experiencing your life as you experience it. But rather, you're, they describe experiencing your life in the most, like, you know,

I guess an important memorable moment from the perspective of the people who, who you have influenced, you know, the people who you hadn't impact on. And it's not just from their perspective, but in this near death experience, life review, the way that they describe it, you are those people, you know, it's like an, and every, I, you know, all the scriptures, all the spirituality, like, there's this, the idea that, that, that separation

is an illusion that at the end of the day, that there's only one, we're all one thing. We're all eyes in the same head, you know, we're all the same thing wearing different costumes. Right.

“So that begs the question, like, why are we separate?”

Like, what's the purpose of being separate? Like, yeah, as I understand it, the way that, you know, what I've bought on to is that the universe, you know, everything, you know, like God, in the absolute form, God as one thing cannot have experience because there's nothing to relate to, you know, and so God in the absolute sense is kind of a, it's pure love, it's this pure atmosphere, but it's very lonely, you know,

proposition. So the idea of the separation is the universe, God, like, blasts itself into infinite different things to create the realm of the relative. So now there's, you know, we have the separation.

So now we can relate to when this allows for God to experience itself, which you would never

be able to do. You would never be able to have up and down or, you know, anything. And so it's like, the whole point is for experience.

“Right, but what's the benefit of experience for God to know itself?”

So this is the regards only to human beings or to all animals. Um, different, like, the souls, and I go down these fucking rabbit holes, dude, like particularly recently, um, I did this whole audio book, a modern English version of a book that was published in 1857 by a French dude named Alan Cardak who, uh, they, it's called the Spirit's Book.

And, you know, you've, like, got all these mediums that just communicating with and putting together on this, like, you know, definitive book on spiritism. Right. And, um, the, the way that that book describes it is that animals have souls, but not souls

word separation and, and, and the purpose of our experience is to have free will, to have

the choice to do good or bad or, you know, whatever, but to evolve as a soul, where you

“evolve towards being loving and, you know, like, where was he getting this from?”

For mediums. For mediums. For mediums. So the Spirit World was telling him this. Yeah. And, like, crazy. Like, like, a lot of, like, uh, it's good.

The problem with mediums is the problem with him problem that you have with trans people using the bathroom, some are legit. Sure. And some of them are just not, you know, and that's the issue with anybody saying that they know exactly why, you know, and what, what is the difference between the way animals

think and behave and humans think and behave?

Well, I just, I think with animals, there's, um, you know, it's that they're, like, they're in the wild. They need to survive. You know, where, like, if we're humans have kind of a higher level of, like, a higher bar to meet because we have, like, more, there's more moral implications to the way we conduct

our lives. Yeah. Well, we've also figured out shelter, right, so we're a little bit set. We have doors. So we're not separated from the wild world, which is allowed us to have a lot more

time to innovate and think, um, it might be correct.

“I think that it's just interesting because it's like, the problem is people, like, they”

buy in two things as being, like, absolute truth, especially things that are exciting, like

spiritual mediums and spirits and channeling and all that shit. I, I think that with the near-death experience, you know, all these thousands of people have had the accounts. There's, um, there's a society of near-death experiences like, you know, official, like, whatever, you know.

When if any frauds slip in there with a fake story of almost dying, I don't know. I bet they do. I doubt it. But the consistency across all of the account, these accounts, it's, like, it kind of, like, lends legitimacy to me, you know.

So that's the case with the alien abduction experiences, right? That's a, that's another weird one. It's like, I want to dismiss it out, you know, I haven't had it. So I'm like, fuck these people, it's not right. But man, it gets weird, it gets real, especially when you go, you read, like, Jacques

Valais work and you realize this stuff has been going on in the 1700s, 1800s, that you had a different way of talking about it because they didn't have the idea that a physical craft could fly in the sky that's made out of metal to them. That was alien. Right.

It didn't make, I mean, for lack of a better word. But so they didn't, describe it that way, but they did describe meeting these creatures and being taken away and waiting for the light. Yeah. Things like that.

It's like, there's so many of those stories. And then the actual stories of people that have been supposedly abducted, that have these stories of these encounters, they're oddly similar, regardless of where they live in the world, which is real weird. And it's one of those things, it's like, if it hasn't happened to you, you really wouldn't

be able to describe it, like, sure. And if you didn't believe, and if it did happen to you, you'd be like, how many of them are going to tell anybody about this? Right. There's no one else has this experience, so this is going to be a crazy thing that I'm

going to talk about. Everyone's going to think I'm a cook.

“That's been a lot of people's experience, I think, up until recently.”

So now, with the way the people describe the life review, and they describe things where they said something nasty, and whatever, they did something hurtful. And in their life review, they are the person, they feel that. And they come back with, like, such, maybe remorse, maybe, like, heightened compassion, less interesting material things, and I just think to myself, oh my God, like, in my life,

like, when I was such a fucking nightmare with drugs and sex and all the fucking crazy, I just, like, I did a lot of, I created a lot of wreckage, you know, I think I was harmful and hurtful. I've been better, but even, like, coming up, I'm almost 18 years clean and sober. And in those 18 years, I've had a bad temper, like, whatever, you know, whatever, like,

you know, overly, and you're a human being, man, right, the trajectory of my life. I believe has been much, like, it's upward enhancement, which I'm really grateful for. But when I hear about these accounts and when people describe the life review, I think, oh my God, I got a, you're worried about a comment section in heaven.

A little bit, like, like, I, you know, I view the remainder of my life as an opportunity,

like a big, gigantic opportunity to stack the good and, you know, like, bit and just be more, well, that's good. So I'll just go around. Okay. Anything that gives you motivation to be a good person is, yeah.

That's great. If that's how you have to do it. Yeah. I'll keep, like, a big fucking water cation in my pocket, so I can just give 20 bucks to every

“Uber driver, every homeless person, like, you know, and I think, like, yeah, maybe”

that's just selfishly, I won't have a better life review. [laughing] Well, if selfishly wanting to have a better life for you makes it be a nicer person, that's worth it. 100%.

Yeah. That's not it. I care about that so much. Okay. Yeah.

You're in your own head a lot, huh? Yeah. It's a pretty nice.

Do you have anything else you do that, like, wears you out?

Do you do anything physical? Do you do, like, hard workouts that, like, drain you of anxiety, and do, uh, you know, I do yoga every day for 30 minutes. Oh, that's good. That's good.

And, uh, I got the perfect pushups, you even do those? Sure. I just got this killer strength machine in, uh, at my house in Tennessee that I haven't been to in fucking two months. Yeah.

I'm for a lot of people that's a relief from anxieties, like, hard workouts. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Look, there's benefits to having regret because you course correct.

And you become bad. But after a while, you can't be thinking about it all the fucking time, because then what you're doing, you're addicted to self analysis. Right. Right.

And there's a lot of people out there addicted to self analysis and a lot of people

that love going to therapy.

So they can talk about themselves and talk about their feelings. And some of that is really good for you. And some of that is very beneficial because you can develop tools that can help you manage your life. But there's also people that are just narcissists and just like going to a place where it's

all about them for an hour. You know? And this is, this is a problem with self analysis and living in your own head. As you got to get outside of your head. Yeah.

And this is the benefit of psychedelics. They get you outside your head and, you know, and in living in that whole, what

“does everybody think about me in the chat called, what do I do?”

Oh, my bad guy. Uh-huh. Right. Not good for you, man. And not, it's, it's not just, it's not productive.

Like it doesn't allow you to do the things that you want to do in life efficiently and effectively. Yeah. Whoa. What was it saying?

Seriously listening to that? I have that thing. Get rid of those fucking watch. A little bit of dickos. Watch.

I'll tell you the fucking time. That's it. It should be breeding emails too. You have a phone. Stop.

Oh, shit. They carry around with you. It's awesome. Right. I felt you're seeing right through it, Joe.

Like, I do, my head is very fucking mean to me. Well, it also could be the kind of people you surround yourself with, you know, if you're around other people that think more along the lines of look, you got to have radical self forgiveness for your past, you got to let it go. You're not a loser from, you're not the guy that got stuffed into a locker in high school.

Okay, you got to let that go. And it's hard for people. There's people that were so bullied in high school, that they will go to high school as a fucking grown man with children and they will get anxiety and panic in that same high school because they still associate themselves with who they were back then.

“And, you know, at a certain point in time, you have to move on, you know, you have to let”

it go. Yeah. And, you know, it's good to recognize your flaws and want to improve upon them. Up to a point. And then you got to concentrate on what you're doing and what you enjoy doing and just doing

a good job at everything that you do. And one thing that prevents you from doing a good job at everything you do is constantly being in your own head. Right. You can get in the way.

Yep. You know, I got this, I moved out to Tennessee. I got this big property. Yeah, Nashville. 45 minutes north of Nashville.

Okay. So you're on the woods. I'm out in the woods. Yeah. All of the fancy.

Do you ever hear a ye-ha in the middle of the night and get worried your shotguns and the distance? No. That was great. There's been, like, my name. My name lucky.

My neighbors are so awesome and like, I got the place in September 2023. So I've been out. How did you choose that area? You know, it was like, I got the, I started hearing about people getting notifications from their insurance companies in LA that their homeowners policy wouldn't be renewed

because of the risk of fires. And I was like, dude, I live in the Hollywood Hills. Like, it's just a fucking exercise and waiting for my house to burn down. Like, I've got this fucking house is uninsurable, you know? And like, I was like, man, I don't want to be waiting for my house to burn down.

You know, that's my deal.

That's cool. Yeah.

“So I knew that I wanted to get a place outside of California.”

And who was, it was supposed to be Coisean Hagen against Islam in Nashville, Tennessee. And I was like, oh, my fucking, it ended up-- I'm different. Wake classes. Okay.

No, no, no, no. Okay. Yeah, not Islam. Who's more? Who more number?

Yeah. Who more? Yeah, who more. Yeah, who more. Yeah, thank you.

Yeah, good, good catch. It was supposed to be, who more? Like, I was like, oh, my God, I got to be there. Fucking so excited.

I ended up being Coisean Hagen against Rob fun because it's a bit more backed out

somehow rather. Probably an injured. Yeah. Yeah. So, I'm like, all right, I'm fucking going out to-- I decided that I'm going

to go look at properties and Tennessee just for a weekend. And the only motivation was to go for the fights. Oh. That fucking love the UFC man. Oh, that's awesome.

I love the UFC. So I went out there. Coming up. Yeah. All right, the BMF.

Yeah. That's me. Exciting. Max, Holloway. And Charles Charles.

That is a great fight. And do the whole fucking card. And all the way down the prelimbs. Mm-hmm. Like, get the fuck out of here.

Some of the names on the trailer. Yeah. So I looked at properties. We went down, like, in all around. And when I got to this one, 44 acres house with the fucking additional dwelling unit, like

apartment on the garage, like, and this trail that goes through the woods and a perfect one mile loop, the drove us around that trail is like, I got it. Oh, that's awesome. I'm like, this place, like, they can get me for what I have to have it. You know, like, they're just going to--

Well, it's good for a guy like you. Like, that's probably a great thing to have, too. It's just get some peace. I'm doing it. When I got out there, I was like, oh, my God.

I'm not like chewing on my lip. I'm not like-- like I can-- I can do it.

No, the problem is that I'm not there very much because I'm always fucking touring and

working and chasing it. Listen, that's the touring and working as a gift, you know? Yeah. The ability to do that. It's way better than wishing you could be touring and working.

Right.

“I mean, that's how-- that's how it was when I started doing comedy.”

So I got sober in 2008, right? Up to that point, I was-- I was 33. And up to that point, I never thought I was going to-- If I can make it to-- you know, like, I was just like-- You were chaos.

Yeah, I was like literally just never even imagined. Like, I wasn't worried about saving money. I wasn't worried about-- like, it was just, ah, I'm going to be dead. Right. And then all of a sudden, I got clean and sober.

And it's like, wow, now I'm ceasing to actively kill myself. I'm starting to take care of myself. Maybe I'm going to be alive for decades to come. Right. And, like, holy shit.

Like, 2008, like, whatever I had saved at that time, was just-- you know, like-- And I'm like, how am I going to fucking eat? If I'm going to be alive, I'm only, like, less than halfway through my life. I burned every bridge in my career.

And, you know, they're telling me that if I want to, like, be, you know, clean and sober and have any kind of a good life, I've got to deflate my ego. I've got to practice spiritual principles. How the fuck am I supposed to be Steve O'ho?

Advog with a deflated ego and on a spiritual path. I didn't know if I could continue to have any kind of a career as I knew it. So now I'm, like, how am I going to eat? You know, like, my savings just got blasted. And I started doing comedy.

Going to the lab factory, like, they'd give you, like, 20 bucks. You know, like, sign here and they'd be, like, 20 bucks. And then, like, when the Jack S3D came out, I went on the Howard Stern show. And I'm like, Howard, I've been on the comedy club every night.

I'm having a blast and just by saying that on Howard Stern, my lawyer called me up, like, in the next week or something. He said, I've got comedy clubs all over the country.

“Colin, trying to book you, like, what's this about?”

And they're offering, like, all this money. I'm like, wait, you can make what? You can make that much money, like, going to a fucking comedy club for a weekend. Like, holy shit. I'm like, I got a fucking figure out how I'm going to eat for the next, you know?

50 years, maybe. So, I just fucking started grinding. Yeah, we've talked about this. It's, you know, I think that anybody wants to do comedy. And there's a weird thing that happens with comedy,

where it's like, there's a lot of gay keepers. Like, oh, what is he doing doing comedy? Right. That's I think it's gross. But, uh, yeah, I mean, I'm glad you found something else.

But it's just being yourself, you know? You can be sure. You could still be on a spiritual path. 100% of figure that out. I figured that out completely.

And I think that the point being that I, like, that in 2011, like, Jesus man.

Like, no way that I wasn't, like,

fallen, fucking engagement for, like, 45 weeks of that year. You know, that's awesome. Yeah. And just by doing it that much, like, the repetition. It's like, oh, okay, now, like, I'm developing a craft.

Yeah. If you care about it, if you care about it and you get into it, you get better on it. It's hard for a guy who, like, you that's already famous to start out. Because, you know, some people, they're already famous.

Like, I went on the road with Charlie Murphy when he was doing that. And it was, like, the baldiest thing ever. Like, Charlie was famous for being on the Shepel Show and then starting out doing comedy. But I went on the road with him.

“I think he'd only been doing comedy, like, two years at the time.”

Like, man, this is such a balsy thing to do. Because there's so many expectations of you. A, your Eddie Murphy's brother, which is nuts. You see, your brother, one of the greatest of all time. And then on top of that, you're already famous

from one of the funniest comedy shows of all time, and your beginner, which is wild. You know? Yep. It's blessing in a curse, because you can sell tickets,

because people know you they want to see you. Yeah. A lot of guys, they get together with other people that can help them, you know, formulate an act, maybe help them write, help them piece together.

Like, maybe if they're not even writing for you, at least they can help you consolidate your thoughts, and, you know, put together. Like, if you're smart, that's the way to do it. Like, hire some people that can help you.

I've never been able to have people write for me.

That's not necessary. You don't have to. But it's a good idea for, like, you're a little bit different than a traditional stand-up comic, though. You've stand-up comedy, but you also do multimedia stuff. And stuff and stunts and silly things.

For people that just, like, Charlie was just doing comedy. Right. I started out doing that. I would do, like, a set of stand-up,

“and then I would have, like, a set of sort of repeatable stunts”

and tricks at the end. Right. So this is not, like, laugh actor when you're, one of the people on the right, right? Right, right, right.

This is when you're doing your own show. Right. Yeah. That's how the tour began. Oh, that's awesome, man.

But yeah, dude, I'm just fucking stoked. And you're in a good place. Just gotta get out of your own head. Yeah.

My head terrorizes me a lot.

Yeah. You gotta get out of your own head and probably surround yourself more with people that also are not in their own head. Right. You know, because that shit's contagious.

Just, like, being a loser is contagious. Like, if you're around people that are losers, like, that shit can rub off on you. But when people that sabotage their life all the time, you're with them, like, uh, then you're wrapped up in their shit.

And you're not only not progressing, you're regressing, because you're, like, constantly with this guy who's, like, fucking his life up all the time, we'll, you know, some people have to cut ties. Just try to surround yourself with people from your yoga class.

Like, go to a solid yoga class and find solid people. Like, just that is one of, like, be the type of person that solid people want to be around, but also find those people too. Right.

And both of those things will benefit you. Because if you're in your own head and you're on other people that are, like, worried about their career too, and they're in their own head, and they're freaking out about their comments, and you're freaking out about your comments.

Like, geez. Right. Stop. This is not good for anybody. Yep.

Yeah. And it's helpful to look at the facts. You know, like, whatever I've been through, whatever. Like, uh, but even that is thinking about yourself too much. Think about your stuff.

Think about what you're, what you're doing. Don't think about, like, five accomplices so much, and this is why I don't have to worry. Like, eh, that don't, you don't get any. There's no gas in that.

Right.

“I don't know whether that's what I meant.”

But like, what I've been going through over the last few weeks, I was telling you about didn't change the fact that, like, our jackass movies fucking full bore, full force. There you go. Doesn't change the fact you have a dick on your forehead.

Does it change that? Yeah. Like, nobody has, uh, nobody who matters to me has voiced any concern about anything. That's all that matters, then.

Yeah. It's the people that are close to you that really matters. It's just like, yeah. You're just a little too in your own head, bro. I hope this helped.

I didn't mean how I really fucking did. [laughter] It really good dude, man. You shouldn't be worried. I care.

I know you do, but it's the reason why you care is because you're good dude. But you're breaking hijack you. You know, your thoughts can run away with you. I mean, we've all had it happen before. Right.

You get a thought, it runs away with you, and then you get to bring it back. But you got to get better at curalling that bitch. You know, it's like being a dog trainer. You can't have your dog shit in all of your house, chewing up your furniture.

You're like, hey, hey, stop. This means a love your dog. So you don't want him shitting on your couch. Right. Tell him what to do that.

Be a good dog trainer. Be a good Steve O trainer. Like, don't let Steve O's brain run away from him and piss on the TV.

You know what I mean? Same kind of thing. You got trained yourself. Yeah. Yeah.

“I think that that's perfectly fair, man.”

And I'm super grateful for your brother. I'm grateful for you, too. Like I said, I just hate seeing you in your own head. Because you're a great guy. You're fun to be around.

You're always very thoughtful and very friendly.

And don't worry about it, man. It's going to be all right. Well, thank you, dude. And then you're going to come back as a butterfly or something shit. Right.

Maybe you come back as a World War II pilot. Maybe you go back at time. There'll be wild. You have memories of the future. Yeah.

I haven't heard about that. Yeah, it's because if reincarnation, if time's not linear, if time exists all at once. Like maybe reincarnation is not linear either. Maybe there's people that die and then they have messages from the future.

You know? I mean, that's not true. Imagine you're in the trenches of World War I. You're like, are you fucking kidding me? Are you seven?

iPhone? I had a watch that was my dad was calling me on it. Right. And he was so stupid.

“Now, I'm worried about getting eaten by wolves in this fucking trench.”

Right.

I mean, the idea of quantum physics, quantum mechanics--

Intanglement? Yeah. All possible realities all exist all in one moment. Allegedly. Yeah.

I don't understand it. I've tried. Right. How's Marshall? He's great.

How old is Marshall? He's nine. Wow. Yeah. It's sad that I worry that he's only going to live for a few more years.

Right. That's what spooky. Golden's when they eat well and they're well fed, they could live like 15, 16 years. I just got to take care of them. I was just like, it's just like thinking about him not being around.

It's like really hard. We were playing today. You know, taking him in the yard throw the ball with him and we're hanging out and cuddling and I just can't imagine a life where that dog's not around. Right.

He's just a big, love sponge. He loves everybody. Everybody comes over the house. The first thing he does. He runs up to you.

He wacks his tail. He rubs up against you.

“And then he lies down because he knows you want to pet his belly.”

He's like, come on. You know you want to pet me. He's just so used to being touched by everybody. Right. That's his existence.

This is just love. I was in Peru in 2017 with Chuck Lado. We were doing this. We found that dog. Yeah.

Yep. Yeah. I still have Wendy. That's awesome. Yeah.

That's awesome. She's at this point like 11. Wow. And she's like dogs. It's so sad.

They don't live long enough. I know. You know. But when Wendy's now retired, I live in on my ranch in Tennessee.

What's cool? And she has become the gnarlyest country girl. They'll just go out on the property and come back with a fucking gnarly deer leg. Did she found the woods? She just sits there.

That's normal. That's dog behavior. I've got this ranch cat that I've been pretty sure. He goes out there and hunts squirrels or everything. And then he brings him to Wendy.

Because I was Wendy getting so fucking fat. I'm like, tell my ranch hand. I'm like, dude, we got to not feed Wendy so much. She's like, kind of fucking getting fat. She's like, dude, I've been feeding her less.

But she just seems to still be getting fucking fat. And we find her like, she cruises up with like just some big ass rodent. Oh. And I- That's like a kiffy.

And she just pulled breaths. Oh, just crunching it. I watch her house a whole fucking squirrel to the face. And she's swallowed a whole fucking thing. Oh, no.

And I know that she's hurt old fat ass wasn't fast enough to catch it squirrel. The other way is it's got to be the cat's killing it. Give it to the squirrel and it's like, hey, friend. I got some for you.

Because cats just want to kill. Yeah. They kill so much man. Wild. If you let a cat go wild, you basically.

You want to do harm. Let a cat go lose. That they'll kill thousands and thousands of things. I saw a cat the other day on a ranch. It was really wild.

I turned a corner and I saw it right as this cat pounced. So this cat was in the grass. And it was doing that thing where their back goes up. And the butt starts wiggling and just flew through the air. I'm like, how happy is this fucking cat living out here.

Like just be able to jack all these poor little unsafecting animals all day long. That's what they want to do man. The guy brought the property from.

He said, you will never see a fucking mouse.

A fucking rat is like this cat. We inherited the cat. Oh, that's cool. He's like, this cat takes his job fucking seriously. That's way better than having mice around.

That's for sure. But they are mass murderers. Yeah. Do you know that like house cats, wild house cats, Feral cats kill billions of mammals every year.

Just in America. Billions.

Wild cats.

Right, right, right, right.

Cats that get left out. Regular cats. Regular cats. Not like coogers.

“And they kill billions of billions of birds and mammals.”

I. Billions. Billions. Yeah. They are so good at it.

They loved to do it. I used to have this like fluffy. She was like, uh, I forget what they're called. They're kind of catch was, but she was just a ball fluff. Like she would just per when you pet her.

And like that little bitch was a murderer.

I lit her outside. She'd have a bird. Like this is crazy. Jump up and snag a bird out of the air. I'm like.

They're they would sit by the window and she'd see a squirrel outside. And their teeth would start chatting. Yeah. They just couldn't wait to bite it. Ha ha ha ha.

“They make these weird noises staring at birds and squirrels.”

Like, it's just in them. Yeah. They're little killing machines. Yep. I got, uh, good fucking.

I got, I'm gonna have so many fucking animals. That's also fine. It's pigs and goats and cats and dogs. That's dope, dude. That sounds like a great life.

It's in a great balance to the chaos that you have when you were younger. And also a great balance to touring, right? Right. Touring in all these cities. You come back home and tweet tweet tweet tweet.

Oh. I do love it so much, man. And it's, uh, I'm all set up. It's an official of 501, c3, non-profit animal sanctuary. Also you can take in animals.

Like if someone has a dog that's been abandoned or a goat that they can't take care of. Oh, that's cool. Yep. That's how it's going. That's called the radical ranch.

Yeah. And the website's radicalrange.org. Oh, you have a website. Just went live like last month. Oh, cool.

Like a month, like, uh, in January when it went live. So yeah, like people can fucking donate or whatever. See all the animals on there. It's pretty, it's pretty rare. That's dope, brother.

There it is. There it is. Radical ranch. There's windy. Oh, look at this little animals.

Have a good time. I'll leave it or not. That's Photoshop. You're not getting all those animals in one. That's Photoshop.

Yeah. Oh, okay. That's deceptive. How dare you? Well, I'm having a party.

Just like a Disney movie. I want to have all the animals in one shot. And, uh, it's actually makes sense.

“Otherwise, I was like, why that dog chased those goat?”

Well, that's a goat dealing with the dog being right there. Right. All right, brother. Well, I appreciate you very much. Um, like what?

It's always good to talk to you.

Yeah. I had like I'm trying to like be pretty sparing if I'm gonna hit you up. I try to make sure that I that it Don't worry about it, man. Just just just be you don't worry about it. Yeah. Well, too. So I'll get me fun. I appreciate you so much. I appreciate you too, brother. I appreciate you too, brother. (Bell)

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