#2468 - Luke Grimes

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>> Yeah, I've been listening to show for years. >> Well, I've been watching your show for years. Yeah, we rolling, Jamie? >> All right, beautiful. >> I love your fucking show.

>> It's great. >> Oh, thanks, man. >> It's really awesome, man. >> Well, I haven't watched Marshall's yet. Is it out now?

>> It is. >> When did it come out? >> It marched first. >> Okay.

>> So they just had the second episode here.

>> I like the binge, man. >> Yeah, wait a little bit. >> Stay off line, I like to sit down and binge them. >> They're sure, yeah, but Yellowstone's fucking awesome. It's such a great show.

Did you have any idea? It was going to be what it is? >> Not no. I don't think anybody did. I thought it would find an audience for sure.

I mean, Taylor was really hot at the time. He'd been nominated for Oscars and I was kind of like, surprised he was even riding a television show. He was just like so hot in the film business.

“>> How the fuck does that guy even sleep on his own?”

>> Where does he have the time? Every time I look in the news or there's a new show that he's doing and new thing he's doing is like, "How are you doing all this?" >> It's impressive.

I feel like there's a lot of people I've worked with but they do things that are impressive, but his is impossible. >> Right. >> You know, like, someone would be like,

"Could you direct a movie as good as, "on a forgive end?" I'm like, maybe if I tried real hard, could you write 10 television shows? Single-handedly? No, no way, not possible.

He directed unforgiving? >> No, I'm just saying like, people that I look up to that I'm impressed by. It's like his is a different level. >> Right, his is like, it's like impossible.

>> Who did direct unforgiving? >> Clint Eastwood. >> That's the fucking greatest Western movie of all time. >> It is. >> It's the best.

>> It's like, you know what it was like to me? It was like he was making up for all the silly westerns and was like, let me show you what it was probably really like. >> Yeah. >> What was really like when a man was about to get shot?

What was really like when a dude was a stone cold killer? What was it really, look the hardships of living back then? >> Yeah, and it's interesting too, because he starts out kind of a loser. >> Yeah.

>> Those first three quarters of the movie,

he's the sort of timid guy who's lost his power. >> You know, and then he takes that one sip of whiskey. >> And it's all over for everybody else. >> It's a crazy premise. >> It's such a good movie, it's such a good fucking movie man.

But yeah, Taylor is a, he's a real freak. There's not a lot of humans like him. And it's his background story so interesting. You know, like he was just kind of scrambling around until he was almost like 40.

>> Yeah. >> It's like a real life rocky. >> Yeah. >> There's something like rags to rages the whole thing.

“>> I know man, I guess that's why he has so much ambition,”

because he knows what it's like to be poor, you know. He knows what it's like to like barely make it. Then all of a sudden he's got a kid on the way and he's like, oh shit, I got a buckled down and really get moving. And he kept his foot on the gas.

>> Absolutely. >> Do you guys keep in touch? >> Yeah. >> His buddy's out there. >> Yeah, I love Taylor man.

>> I love him, he's an awesome dude. >> I just worry about him, like he, you do so much. >> Don't I have a fucking heart attack man, don't go crazy. >> You know what's weird is he does, he does like have a good time too. It's not like he doesn't hang out with his family or friends or, you know.

That's the craziest thing to me is like the guy has a really fun life and is able to do all that. I guess like the moral of the story is don't play golf, you know. >> [LAUGH] >> That'll take up a little bit.

>> No shit man, till that's a j-week, if I can get out once a week, it's great. >> Yeah, he's an addict.

>> Jamie's an addict, we've got a simulator back there, he's always a walk and golf balls.

>> Yeah, all my friends are trying to get me to play him, like I'm not doing it man. That's a six-hour commitment.

“>> Oh man, the amount of time it takes to get good enough that it's not the worst thing ever.”

>> Right, it's too much time. >> Right, and my problem is I'm an addict. Like when I start doing things, I just start like, okay, I need to play in the PGA. >> [LAUGH] >> That's not going crazy, I'll start getting lessons and fuck that.

Don't do it. We need your show man. We do it. It's awful. Well, I'm never doing it. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm just trying to be trying it. Try it out. No, I know all my friends who play fucking love it. Ron White, Tony Hinch, clip, they go out every day. It's like it's too much man. I can't do it. Yeah. Yeah, you can't play golf and do what Dale was doing. That's for damn sure. No way. No. How the fuck is Trump doing it? Like, he's in the middle of everything. He's always playing golf. But that's sort of the criticism, right? He's playing too much golf and not running the country enough. But don't they say that about everything?

Yeah, I think it's almost like a prerequisite to be president. You have to play golf. You know, don't they all do it? I guess so. It's like one of those weird business men things. Like they make deals out there. They have a couple of cocktails. They talk a little shit. Right. Do a bump. Not my man. Some deals. I just don't. I don't know. Something about being like a manicured lawn. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know the bottom of the middle of nowhere. I'm sure I'd love it. I'm sure, which is why I don't do it. But I play pool.

It's another thing. It's it'll get in your blood. And then you'll be thinking about it all the time and watching videos and taking lessons and I'm ready for something though. Yeah. Yeah. Not golf. Pool sounds like well, you have music. And you have acting like you said that's got to be kind of hard to manage. Yeah. That's proving pretty difficult. And I have an 18-month-old. Oh, that's a mix. Yeah. So no sleep. Yeah. We're getting there. I, you know, the music thing is sort of. It's kind of nice because there's not a lot of pressure on it. You know, for me, I have a day job. You know, I have this thing that supports my family and the music I can do to like my passion level, you know, and I, and I wouldn't do it to the point where I'm like away from my family too much, you know.

So I can, I like making the music touring is kind of hard and it's, and it's also new for me. So learning how to do that at 40 was kind of interesting, you know, I feel like in my 20s that would have been the most fun ever. Yeah. Sleeping on a bus with 12 dudes and just going from city to city and, you know, drinking backstage and playing country music that would have been a blast, but I'm, you know, too old for to do that the right way. Yeah. When you tour, do you go out or do you do like a weekend and then come back or do you when you're on a full blown tour that the way that it financially works the best is to just stay kind of going. So you're doing like three shows like Thursday Friday Saturday because you've got the bus running. You've got all the equipment running.

“You got the guys, you know, on salary. So you just have to keep going. It's actually really hard to, for it to pencil out when you're just doing a show here and there. Right. Yeah.”

That's, stand up comedy so much easier in that regard. I've only done one stand up comedy tour tour. I did it with Charlie Murphy and John Hepron. We did this Bud Light Max. I'm tour back in 2007 and we did like 22 dates in a month. And so it was like, I'd wake up and I wouldn't know where I was. I'd look at the ceiling on the way the fuck am I. I don't, I would have to think, Columbus. You know, I'd have to like go through my head figure out where I am when I woke up.

Was there ever like a period of stage fright when you started doing stand up? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The first day. I was more afraid the first time I got on stage than I was the first time I fought.

It was nuts. Yeah. I was like, why am I so nervous? I was like, I was thinking about chicken and now. I was thinking about not doing it. I do that every time I play a music show. I'm like, can I just call it all? Do you still get stage fright right now? Really bad. Well, that's the thing, man. I, I'd always played music. And when I was playing in bands and playing out, I was the drummer.

So, but I always wrote songs and stuff, but I never thought I had never had ambition around like I want to be the guy in front of the microphone. That was never, you know, the plan.

“And then, you know, to be able to make an album, which I wanted to do, you have to go stand in front of the microphone. And that's the hard part for me. I love being in the studio. I love writing the songs. I love making a music recording music.”

But there's something about knowing that all these people have shown up and bought a ticket to see you and you're like all the sudden things start happening in me. They bought a ticket in poster syndrome. You're not good enough for them to spend their money. And you know, it's just the same thing. And it's like, dude, shut up. I know it's going to be okay, but it doesn't matter. Every time I still get a little bit of the, you know. I think everybody who's saying gets in poster syndrome. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Everybody that I've talked to that same. It's like the really cookie ones. They all think Kanye's ever gotten in poster syndrome.

It's like the better we also he's a genius. But it's like the ones who are sane. It doesn't make any sense. Like none of it makes any sense. Yeah.

“Well, I get it in drugs and way more for the music than the acting. But it's again, I've been acting in film and TV for over 20 years now. When did you first get on stage to sing? How old were you?”

The very first show I played. I was 39. Oh my God. Yeah. Yeah. Like I had done karaoke before, right?

But you know, it came about in the weirdest way. I literally was on set one day and get a call out of the blue from this manager, this music manager, Mad Graham is a great manager and a really good friend of mine. But he called and said, Hey, I know you don't know who I am. But I know that you're a musician and you know, I love Yellowstone. I love you in that show.

And I was like, no, man. That's no, I don't want to do that. And we talked for two years. And over the course of the two years, I really started to trust him. He sort of explained to me what, you know, what would be required. And long story short, my father passed away somewhere in there. And sort of one of the last things he sort of conveyed to me was like, there's anything you want to do where you're here to it, you know.

“And that's something about that moment. I was like, I'm just going to fucking do it. You know, I don't care. What's the worst thing that can happen? I'm another actor who made a goofy album.”

So what I got to do it, you know. So I did. And then immediately, it's like, well, now you have to go tour it. Otherwise, you know, they're not going to put up the money for you to make these things if you don't go sell it. You know, so the tour is sort of to get the music out there and get people buying it.

And so yeah, first show. It was in Billings, Montana for I think it was 1200 people.

Whoa. This place called, I think it was pub station. What was that like first time, dude? I blacked out. Like not drinking, like I just blacked out on nerves too. Like it, you know, it started. My knees were shaking my hands were shaking and this is before I knew about like beta blockers or anything like that. And I, the show was over and I was like, how was, was that okay? How, how, how did that go? And everything was good. You know, it was good. I was fine. The fourth show I ever played was stage coach.

Whoa. Yeah. That's nuts. It was crazy. I mean, it was earlier in the day. It's not like I had, you know, 100,000 people out there, but still, that's a big stage. That's a big stage. And yeah, I so, but, you know, little by little, it got somewhat better. I don't black out anymore. I kind of, I know where I'm at, I'm there, but it's still something I deal with. Oliver Anthony, the first show he ever played live in front of people was like 20,000 people.

It's so nuts. That's insane. It wasn't like that. It was huge, right? It was like, it was some, it was a gigantic crowd. I don't think I'm exaggerating. Because he got really famous before he ever went on tour. That one song, Richmond, North of Richmond, that song, like, instantly made him famous. He wrote a rocket, dude. That rarely happens. There's, you know, few people know that feeling. I can't imagine.

But he, he was freaking out. Like, I became friends with him like right when it was happening. Because he was like a little lost and he said a bunch of people, I go, let's talk. So we got on the phone. Like, it was before he had, you know, he'd gotten a ton of record deals and all these different people are saying, Hey, sign with me, we'll give you an X amount of money in advance. I go, don't sign nothing. And he was like, "Hey, are you telling me that I got to act strike while the iron's got to go, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

I go, dude, you got talent. Like, you're real talent. You're always going to have talent.

It's just a matter of putting in the work and you're going to be huge. You don't need these people. These people are all vampires. They're all just trying to suck on your neck. Don't let them. Don't let them. Thank God he listened. Because he was getting offers like $7 million and shouldn't he? He was a fucking heavy equipment salesman. You know, and some of them all sudden who's like, "What the fuck is going on?"

One song with him and a guitar just standing in a field.

“That's all it took. That's amazing. I mean, it's how it should be, right?”

I have the complete opposite story. That story's not cool at all. I'm like, I'm a successful actor and I got a record deal for no reason. Yeah, but you had a record deal because you wanted to do it because you're interested in that too. You can do anything you want to do. Just because you're a successful actor doesn't mean you can't do it. Right, but I think you know, a lot of the thing with music is the story of the person.

So I knew going in like, "I don't have the best story." I do come from nothing and I did work my ass off to become an actor and all that. But you know, my way into the music was a little wonky. But sometimes that's good because it makes you work harder to prove to people that you're legit. Because you have this thing over your head where they're like, "Fuck that pretty boy, motherfucker."

TV star, motherfucker. Fuck that dude. Fuck Casey Dutton. There he goes. So the music's going to have to be good enough. Yeah, that's just sort of the thing. That's all it is. It's just a little force you to work harder,

“but it's just everybody's story's different. That's what makes it fun.”

If everybody had the same story, you know? Yeah. I mean, you're kind of the king of following your passion, right? You've done that. Yeah. I've been super lucky. You know? I just lucky that there's a job for all these things I like. You know?

There wasn't. Whether you went into this one. Yeah. There was other people doing it already, but it wasn't a job for the longest time.

It's kind of a fun story that me and my wife always joke around about.

Because like one time she was taking the kid. We were all supposed to go Disneyland, but I had to do this podcast.

I go, "But I do. I do it every week."

“But it wasn't really making any money back then.”

It was like a promise people would be out. Like, "You're got to do it." And now she's like, "Thank God. You didn't listen to me." [laughter] It's just, I mean, I got lucky.

I came in right at the right time. There was only a few people doing it back then. And I just did it for fun. There's thought that would be fun to do. Yeah.

And then all of a sudden it became a job. Yeah. And with the UFC stuff, too. Yeah. That was fun, too.

Did you think that would become what it became? Yeah. When I first started doing it was in 1997. [clears throat] And it was in a high school auditorium in Dothan, Alabama. And we had to take a propeller plane to get there.

And it was banned from cable. So you could only watch it on Direct TV. This was UFC 12. And wow. There was no one in the audience.

And no one was watching it. And I was already on a TV show. It was on NewsRadio. And the people on NewsRadio, the actors and the producers, they're like, "What are you doing?

You're flying to go to cage fighting?" It was almost like I was doing porn. [laughs] But it's fucking snuff films or something. It's like, "Do you kind of ruin your life doing this?"

I was like, "I don't... I don't know what you guys are talking about.

This is what I've always wanted to say.

I've always wanted to see all the best martial artists have different styles get together. Nobody ever did it. These guys are doing it. And I'm gonna go." Yeah.

“I remember renting the first few from Blockbuster?”

Yeah. It was like blood sport back. Oh yeah. I changed my life. I got UFC 2. Was the first one.

The first one wasn't available. You had to get 2. Was the only one. And it was on VHS tape. And I had a buddy of mine who told me about it.

He's like, "Dude, you gotta see this thing, man." He goes, "They got these guys. They're fighting in a cage." And this one dude's just choking everybody. And he's wearing a ghee. I was like, "Really?

What is it?" And then I watched it. I was like, "Holy shit." Yeah. I was hooked.

Like right away. I was like, "They fucking did it." Because when I was a kid, everybody thought that if you did karate, you thought karate was the best.

If you thought judo, you thought judo was the best. And nobody really knew what was the most effective martial art.

Because nobody had never put together anything like the UFC.

Right. So once it happened, I mean, it was just such a huge part of my life. I was like, "I'm not gonna not do this." Just because it's bad for my acting career.

I'm like, "My acting career goes away." I don't, you know, whatever. I'm only doing this for money anyway. So like, I'll just figure it out. [laughter]

You were the only person in LA with that mentality, by the way. I really served you well. Wow, I wasn't supposed to be in LA. You know, I mean, I only came to LA for money. And I would have moved back.

I was living in New York. And I did a show called Hardball, and that got canceled. And the only reason why I stayed is because I got a lease on an apartment.

I was fully ready to get out of there. I was like, "I gotta get the fuck out of this place." I hated it. I hated being around actors. I hated being around producers and casting agents.

I was like, "Oh, fake." I was used to being around fighters and comedians and pool players. Like, the rawest, funniest, like, outcasts of society. Like, those are my people. I was used to like, crack and jokes with friends,

and everybody was like, "Bust the night each other." And everybody had a great sense of humor. Just silly weirdos. And then all of a sudden I'm around these people that like all have these like predetermined things

that they thought they should say. So they would say 'em, you know, and everybody had, like, it was all groupthink. It was like, "Oh, this is fucking horrible."

Yeah, I always say that felt like when I lived in LA,

I lived in LA for 16 years. And, you know, I don't want to complain about it. I was like, "Oh, obviously good to me." Like, it helped my life quite a bit. But it always felt like everybody was trying to become

the same person. But they don't know who that person is. And like, "Can you just tell me who the person is?" So I can, you know what I mean? There's like a memo that went out that I didn't get.

So nobody got that memo. They were all playing it by ear. You know? And it was all dependent upon what the producers and the casting agents wanted you to be.

So everybody would sort of adapt. Like, whenever you got a place where everybody has the same politics, that's on a good sign. Like, that something's gone wrong. And everybody has these progressive left-wing politics.

Regardless of whether or not any other positions make sense, they'll just sort of spit it out. Well, I think it's just that. There is sort of a desperation that gets bread from, I mean, these people left their families.

They moved away. They left everything they've ever known and gave up a lot of comfort and security and love to follow this dream. Yeah.

And so that dream becomes more and more and more important. You need it more and more because now you have nothing else. Yeah. You've given everything else up.

“And so I think at that point, you can sort of mold people into whatever.”

Oh, for sure. It ruins comics. Yeah. Because when comics start doing well, one of the first, as soon as they start getting on television,

They tone it down a little bit, take the edge off.

“Don't say anything they can get you in trouble.”

You know, generally, those are the funniest things. [laughter] The funniest things that things that could go terribly wrong, you know, and get you in trouble. So they do that.

And then just, you know, they become like,

I always called the velvet prison.

Because you get locked into that velvet prison. You get on TV, you get money, but also you become just one of everybody else. Yeah. It's hard not to do.

I mean, that's where I'm at. You know, I still have a boss. Yeah. You know, my checks are written by a very specific company that, you know, I have to be careful sometimes.

I know. You know, even doing this today, I'm like, just a little bit. I don't want to do that to you and sit here and like, be myself the whole time.

But I got to be like, just don't say this. You know, right? Oh, yeah. No, I'm firmly aware of it. People come in here and I could see it in their face.

Like, please don't bring up anything. No trans talk. [laughter] For sure. Don't stay away from that today.

Yeah. I mean, it's, you know, it's a tricky situation. And the thing about LA, too, is everybody has to get picked for stuff. Yeah. It's not like even like music, like, especially look at all of your Anthony.

No music, deal, no nothing. Just put something on YouTube. Ballows up. Yeah. That's a real, in this day and age, that's a real thing.

“But in acting, it's still, you have to get chosen.”

You have to get cast for something. And just that weird thing alone, where you're going into this thing, and these people have to approve you.

And most of the people that get involved in acting in the first place,

a large percentage of them, they did it because they didn't get enough attention when they were younger. And this is like, they just want to make up for it. Well, I didn't get much money. I became a comedian.

I'm pretty sure. You know, it's all the same kind of mindset. Like, there's something about you that wants to be famous, right? There's just, you know, unless you're like, someone who's just in love with the craft of acting, you know?

Right. Which, how could you be? You know, I made the decision that I wanted to be an actor. And I was like five years old. I didn't know what the craft of acting was.

My thing, though, honestly, was I loved movies so much. I think I just, because I liked them more than my life. You know, I wanted to live in the movie. I didn't know what making them would actually be like. I didn't know what that career looked like.

I didn't know what acting was. But I would go to the movie theater and want to be in it. And I'd also see the guy. And I don't know, whatever the skill set was. Like, whatever they're doing, I think I can do that.

I think I have whatever that is. And, you know, thank God I was at least somewhat right. And I'd be waiting tables in LA right now. Well, it's an interesting thing, right? Because it's a craft that seems like you're just doing normal life.

Right? Like you're, you're pretending, but you're acting in behaving in a way that people do act and behave like that's the key to it. It has to be believable. Yeah.

So most people watch it go, I can do that. Yeah. This is normal life. They're acting like they're in normal life. Right?

But what you don't realize is that there's like a dude with a beard with a microphone in your face. And 200 people standing around waiting for you to be done. See I can do their job again. Sipping coffee.

Yeah. Shake in the head. It's quite as there are a lot. Yeah. Fucking on professional.

Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. It's a weird gig, man. It's a weird gig.

And it's not when most people think it is. And you can tell that by the like the masters, the real masters. You know, when you see like a Daniel Day Lewis do it. You're like, okay, whatever he's doing, I'm not doing that. That's a fucking totally different thing.

Right. This guy's in a weird place where he becomes a Gary Oldman. It becomes a different person every movie and you believe it. Yeah. That's the real craft of it, right?

“Where I like, I fucking know that's Gary Oldman, right?”

But he's different. And now he's Dracula. And I believe it. He's amazing. Both of those guys.

I'm amazing. You're watching that show. Slow horses. I love it. Fucking great show, right?

It's really good. It's a great show. I can't wait for the new season. I've hooked so many told me about it. And I was a little skeptical at first.

It's like, alright.

And you never see like a lead.

You're your number one. Right? A total piece of shit. Right? Told a piece of shit.

Yeah. Except Tony's a Bruno. There you go. Yeah. He was a weird show, right?

The guy was a murderer and a thief and you love him. He loved him. He was so good. Yeah. There was another guy.

Candlefane. You fucking believed him. And there wasn't acting like that in television yet. No. That was like the first of its kind.

Yeah. And even within that show, he was doing something that one else was doing. Right. And that's hard to keep up for. You know, if you do it for a film, you're doing it for a couple months.

But to do that for seven years for months and months at a time is impossible.

Well, there was a danger in his eyes. Like a real danger. Like there's something about that dude. But that dude's got or Molly was alive. He had demons in his brain.

Like you could tell. Like there was moments that these menacing moments where he was like threatening someone or doing something. You're like, that's coming from a real place. Right.

That guy. You know, this is some guys who play tough guys and movies. Like, I'm not buying it. But with that guy, you're like, oh, okay. This guy can kill somebody.

You don't want to piss him off in real life. He's also out of fucking control.

“You know, you ever see the list of the things that he consumed before he died?”

I have seen that. It's bananas. Yeah. He was just off the rails. Great.

Out of his fucking mind. But I've seen the Hunter S. Thompson one. Oh, dude. We narrated it. We read it.

And then this guy was the dude. What's the guy's name that turned it into a song? There's a dance song. Like, electric music dance song. I've heard that.

With me and my friend, Greg Fitzsimmons, were reading off Hunter S. Thompson's, like, his daily routine. Beardy man. Yeah.

Shout out to Beardy man. It's pretty dope. Play it. Fuck it. Ken Lee.

Are we getting trouble? Can't isn't the right word to ask. We can. What would happen? We lose that's the right revenue changes and stuff like that.

For sure. Yeah. Don't play it. I listen to it after. Yeah.

Well, I'll send it to you. But it's, uh, it's a banana's routine. And, you know, at the end of his life, I'm a giant Hunter S. Thompson fan, as you can tell, walking through all the artwork.

But at the end of his life, like, he couldn't even talk. Like, he did an appearance once on Conan O'Brien. And it to me, it was like, one of the saddest things. Like, he could barely understand what he was saying.

He was horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible. He's just mumbling. And when he was young, he was so fucking smooth and articulate and interesting and fascinating. And it just drugs, just drugs and booze, just cooked his brain. I'll have to do a deep dive on him.

I've never read any of his stuff.

Really? Oh, just read, just start off with fear and loading. Okay. Fear and loading in Las Vegas was a, he got a assignment to cover. I think it was a motorcycle race.

That was the job.

“So I think it was for support to illustrate or something like that.”

He got a job to just cover a race. And he goes down there and just brings every kind of fucking drug known to man, drives through the desert and a convertible with his friend. And just writes this insane book. It's completely insane.

It's nothing to do with this motorcycle race. It's just all about the chaos of being out of your fucking mind in Vegas. And it's brilliant. It's so good. Check it out.

Do you like Vegas? I mean, I'm there a lot for fights. And when I go, we go to a restaurant. I go play pool. I go to the fights.

I don't do anything else. So it's like, for me, it's like, yeah, there's great restaurants. You know, the fights are awesome. I love doing that. So it's like, but there's something about it where I ever,

every time I go there, I'm like, can I live here? Like, I was actually talking to my friend Tony Angelic about it this past weekend. We were just there for the fights. And I was saying, like, would if a, because you know, Kill Tony is this gigantic show now.

It's huge. He sells out of Reena's all over the country with it. It's on Netflix.

“And I was saying, like, would if a Vegas casino offered you a fucking pile of money?”

Would you, do you think you could ever live here? And we were just sitting there and he's like, I don't know. I don't want to do it. I can do it. Because I think it's like sleeping next to a vampire.

Like, even if you know that the vampires in the other room, and not kind of bite your neck, it's like he's right there. You know, it's like, sure. I don't think it's good for you. Vegas to me is like, you know, when you, you have a big night out

on a certain type of booze and you get sick. And then anytime you drink that booze after that, and that's Vegas to me. Right. At the time of my life in Vegas, I'm like, oh, I just feel gross.

Because I remember the last time I was there or the first time. Yeah, it's, I think the people that live outside of Vegas, like people live in Henderson and places like that, they love it. Because it's really nice out there. Like, you go out to the outskirts of Vegas.

There's beautiful neighborhoods and nice communities and, like, great stores and restaurants and stuff. It's nice. But you're still next to the Death Star, right? It's like this big neon, fucking vacuum.

You suck in people's money out of them.

I've never been off the strip.

Maybe I should try that out.

Yeah. There's this great restaurants and great neighborhoods. Like, it's fine outside. But the reason why they're there is because of the Death Star.

“Like, that's what brings everybody there.”

You know, everybody's there and just lose all their money. Yeah. Make really bad decisions. Yeah. Like, all my friends are gamble when I would go there with them.

Look at this place. See how big it is? How do you think they got that money? suckers like you. This isn't like a fair exchange.

Like they're giving you goods and you're giving them money. No, this is like, they're giving you this like crazy proposition. Where you think you're going to play Blackjack and win a billion dollars. Like, yeah. And if you win too much money, they kick you out.

Did you ever gamble? No, no, no, no, no, no, not really. I mean, I bet some money on fights.

I played Blackjack a few times, but I've never lost any real money.

But my friend Dana White, he's a fucking degenerate. Like a crazy degenerate. I want to visit him recently. So he was at Red Rocks casino and a couple of my other buddies were there. So we showed up and went into the Blackjack room and he was there.

And when I got there, he was down $600,000. When I got there. And it was a normal night for him. And he wasn't even nervous. He was like, hey, what's up?

You shake my hand, give me a hug. All these other people are there. And I got fucking massive anxiety. Yeah. I was like crazy.

How are you? And then so him and Jamie was there too. And him and Taylor Luan, the football player. He coaches Taylor, how to play Blackjack. And so they got together.

He tells them when they hit and when not to hit. And they did it right next to us. We didn't five minutes. Taylor was down $125,000. Jesus.

I was like, what are you doing?

Yeah. He got up and then they quit. So he quit ahead. I think he won 100 grand. And then you quit.

And then they move on to the background. Because you can bet more per hand. That that's what they're doing now. Yeah. It's like that's the 500 K per hand or something like that.

Which one's back or at? How do you play that? I've tried to watch it. I don't really quite understand. It's apparently not hard.

You're betting on the dealer or the player. Is that the big long table? With all the. I don't understand it. It's not like it's not as long as like relet.

So Dana's on to that now. Yeah. Yeah. I think that room. They've pushed him out of the background.

So you can gamble more. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my god. He's mainlining the gamble now.

He told a story on. I think it was. Was it flagrant? It was flagrant.

We talked about losing like six million dollars in one night.

Yeah. What? Yeah. That's my theory about slap fight. Why they're doing slap fight.

I think it's Dana's gambling money. That's what I think.

“I think it's like it needs some source of revenue outside of the UFC.”

So it doesn't lose as UFC money. That's tough to watch, man. I don't want you. Yeah. I've watched a couple of clips.

Sorry, Dana. Yeah. But it's tough to watch. It's just people getting brain damage. It's over and over again.

It's not my thing. I don't get it. And it's all like the saddest people getting whacked in the head. It's not a good thing. Not good.

Yeah. They call it fights, too. Okay. I know. I mean, I guess.

You should come up with another name. It's kind of insulting to an actual fight. Right. But that's my theory. Is that that's his gambling money?

Because that fucking dude gambles. Because I asked him once I go, you like living here. He goes, I love the action. Oh, my little girl. I mean, he's a good friend of mine.

But he's a different person than me. That's awesome. I'm not. That's not me. Yeah.

If I lived in Vegas, I'd live way outside of Vegas. And even then, I don't think I could do it. Because we've talked about, you know, we have a comedy club in town, the comedy mothership. And we talked about doing another mothership somewhere.

And the two most likely places that we would be able to do it are New York and Vegas. So we talked about doing one in Vegas.

“But I was like, man, the only way it would work is I'd have to be there a lot.”

And we'd have to make sure that it's run right. That it's like run with the same vibe that we run in here. Where everybody's cool. There's no assholes. Everybody's real friendly.

And real supportive of new comedians. And then I'd have to spend a lot of time there. I'm like, I don't want to do that. Right. What in New York be like returning to where you cut your teeth or something?

Is that where you started? Yeah, I mean, I started in Boston, but I did spend a lot of time in New York. New York would be a better option really because there's a lot more talent there. In order to have a really good comedy club, you can't you can't just start it out. Like you can't just go like to Columbus, Ohio or Cincinnati or I guess Columbus has like a little bit of a scene.

But you'd have to have a real scene with like real headlines and like top level talent. Right. And the way we were able to pull it off in Austin is everybody moved here during the pandemic.

And then me and Tony moved here.

And then once we started doing shows, we were talking all our friends in LA and LA was shut down during the pandemic. And so everybody just kind of moved out here at least temporarily because comedians are junkies. Like they want to go on stage. And it was taken away from them for a year and a half in LA. Couldn't perform.

And in LA for a year and a half made no fucking sense. And out here, we were just doing shows like in November of 2020. Like it was indoor shows and super spread of shows. And so because of that. I forgot about that word.

Tom Sagar moved here, Christina Pazitzky moved here, Tim Dylan moved here. And it's just like Shane Gillis moved here. It was like we had so many like national headlines. We could pull off a club. Yeah.

“But you have to have that kind of thing where it's not just the weekends.”

But you have to have like Tuesday shows, Wednesday shows. It's just to be like a lot of people around that you could have a show with. The infrastructure. Yeah. I randomly lived in Austin during COVID.

Oh really? My wife and I, we got married in November of 2019. She's from Brazil and I'm from Ohio. So we had no, there was nowhere where we were going to live or it was going to feel like home. But we, you know, I lived in LA for 16 years.

I was ready to get out. We wanted to start a family somewhere else. And we didn't know where to go. So we came here and December of 2019. And we had the best two months ever.

And then everything shut down and we're stuck in an apartment. Don't know anybody. And you know, it didn't really get a fair shake. We loved it while it was going. And then yeah, I did about two months of lockdown.

Couldn't do it anymore. And then we bought an air stream and just started traveling around. And then I had to be in Montana for work for Yellowstone.

And we parked the air stream up there and never left.

Oh, wow. Yeah. So we've been to Montana's fucking awesome. It's the best. It's so great.

It's so beautiful. A last summer was there was in the summer. Well, actually last summer was there. I was hunting with boarden. And then it fuzz and hunting there.

That was pretty clear. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I was one of the last times this home. But part.

Oh, I forgot. I forgot where we were. And I'm pretty sure I flew into Boseman. But I think we're outside of Billings. Okay.

I forgot. Um, but the in the summer there is insane. Yeah. Perfect. It's so beautiful.

Perfect. Everything's green. You see the mountains.

We heard wolves, howling one night.

And you see elk herds just chilling on the side of a hill. Oh, god. This place is magical. And it doesn't get dark till like 11 at night. Right.

It's very confusing to know. Like when to eat dinner is or just like it's light for so long. But then in the wintertime, the, you know, the exchanges. It gets dark at 430 p.m. Right.

But yeah, we love it, man.

“It's the best thing that's ever happened for me.”

I've just sort of like all the LA stuff we were talking about. It's the opposite of that. The opposite. There's I have no FOMO about anything anymore. You know.

Oh, that's great. I had can just think and sleep and read and watch films. And it's the best. Yeah. Well, your show made a lot of fucking people move out there, though.

That's true. Yeah. And they're not happy about it. The values that I live in. We had some people come visit us.

Our friends California drove out and we went on a hike. And we were in their car and they had, you know, calipates. And we get off the hike and someone had written go back in the dust on their car. Like people are super weird about it. So I don't tell anyone like exactly where I'm at because they would get really mad at me.

Dude, that happened in 2012. I was hunting in Montana. We went to the Missouri Breaks. And we were going to this restaurant and one of the guys in the restaurant had a, he had his car parked outside. And it was like a rental car.

And someone wrote go back home. You know, like Montana's for Montana's or something like that. They wrote it in the dirt. Right. Which is dumb because if they have the plates, they clearly are living there.

Right. They're going back. Yeah. But it's just retards. You're going to get retards in every state.

Like if you have 100 people, one of them is a fucking idiot. Sure. Right. And if you got a town of, you know, X amount of 100,000 people, you're going to have a good amount of fucking dumb houses for sure.

Those are the ones like, this is all place. We own it. This is all dirt. Meanwhile, someone moved there at some point. Exactly.

You know, somewhere along the line, someone moved there. And all you did was stay. Exactly. You didn't do anything that cool. Exactly.

Exactly. One guy, I can't go to bars. There anymore, because whatever that one idiot is at the bar, of course. And he can't wait to start a fight with me. Just like can't wait to do it.

Because like, it's a win-win for him. You know, he gets to sue me or something. I don't know. You know, but it's a lose-lose for me.

“So, well, it's just like his life is empty.”

And it's like, all of a sudden there's purpose in his life. You ruined Montana. Fuck off.

Yeah.

“Or my favorite is when they call people colonizers.”

That's my favorite. Like, bro, if you don't live in Ethiopia, someone in your ancestor was a colonizer. Oh, hundred per period. Yeah.

We don't have to come from somewhere. Also, isn't it like the most American thing ever is that I can choose where I want to live? Yeah. That should be celebrated.

It should be. Yeah. The idea though, we were here first. Those are the same idiots that hate when a band becomes successful. Because like, oh, I knew him when they were underground.

No, they sold out. Yeah. It's just a more on mentality. Yeah. You're just going to have that no matter where you go.

But Montana's are like fiercely proud of being from Montana. Yeah.

They'll always tell you what generation they are.

Right. They're generation Montana. It's so silly. Yeah. And I'm not Montana, but my son will be.

Yeah. He can say that he is. Right. Right. It's like an anchor baby.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He can go fly fishing and no one's going to give him a hard dog. That's right.

I was born here. Okay. Yeah. You're good. You've got a whole pass.

Yeah, but like people that live in the like that yellow stone place. You know that. Yellowstone club. Yeah. That place.

Like those are like fake Montana's to Montana's.

I have a buddy who lives up there. And he was saying, I don't want to fucking anybody would live up there. Like because it's awesome. Yeah. It's wrong with you.

It's still Montana. Like let it go. Right. They just had some problem with sewage being dumped into the river or something like that. Yellowstone club.

Yellowstone club. Oh God. Yeah. The locals were very angry. I don't know if that's locals like making some stuff up to sort of cause a problem.

But they were saying that they were finding sewage from the Yellowstone club in the local river there. Whoa. Yeah. I have to look that up. Oh, whoa.

Yeah. That's not good. That's the problem with rich people. Yeah. (laughter)

Rich people like fuck everybody else. (laughter) I haven't been to that place, but I heard it's awesome. In the views, I've seen photographs of a god of fucking views there and saying. Yeah.

I have multiple friends who live in Montana. And the thing about it is like everybody will tell you, like when you're surrounded by those mountains and you look out at them every day, it like centers you and it humbles you. That's exactly right. It's like the most spectacular natural art you're ever going to see.

And it's around you all the time.

And I drink my coffee every morning looking out the window and it looks like a painting and it never gets old.

You know, if we need to go to the grocery store, I'll do it because it's so fun to drive there.

“You know, you get how you put some tunes on, it's the best thing ever.”

Versus like living in LA to go anywhere was the worst thing ever. Right. Yeah. Everything's a pleasure up there, man. It's really something.

But if you need any sort of fast pace or socialization or if you're trying to meet a babe or something. (laughter) There's no people, dude. Yeah. I get that.

There's a little of that in Austin. They're upset that the cow foreignants moved here. Yeah. There are a lot of people blamed me and Elon. Sure.

They blamed us for moving here and ruin in Austin. Sorry we made it more awesome. If I can put these shut your mouth. It's all the same thing. It's like people that want credit for being here first.

Like fuck off. Now you have more restaurants, way more comedy. There's like seven comedy clubs on my street now. On the street where my club is, there's seven comedy clubs now. That's amazing.

It's like one of the big hubs of live comedy in the world now. Did it have it at all before? It had a couple places. There was a place called Cap City that actually went under before the pandemic. Or actually like right at the beginning of the pandemic.

When I got here it was for sale. And so I was looking at that place to buy it. But it didn't work out. And then there's another place that's been around forever called the Velvita room. It's a real small room.

I think it seats like a hundred or so.

“And then, you know, I think there was maybe a couple other bars that maybe had comedy.”

And there was like a small scene of some comedians. But nothing like what it is now. It's not even comparable. I mean, there's like 17, 18 world class comics that live here now. Wow.

It's crazy. And talk about stage fright. I think that is, that would be the hardest art form. You have no help. There's nothing to hide behind.

There's no music. Right. It's like, you know, it's just silence in you and a microphone. You can't just get into your tune and just play and close your eyes. Yeah.

Now, there was a film actually one time that I was attached to to play a stand-up comedian. And I promised the director that if we got our funding and got the green light to go, that I'd go do it. That I'd actually go out and like work up 15 minutes and just, you know, do it until I understood what it was like. And that movie fell through and I was very happy about that because I didn't want it to.

It's hard. I bet, man. It's confusing because the people are just talking. You're like, why is that hard to do? Everybody talks.

You know, like everybody could tell a story. Everybody can, and it seems easy to do until you do it.

Because I sucked the first night that I bombed. But I was like, I got a couple of laughs on some things. And I was like, I think I can figure this out. But I was, like I said, I was more scared than when I was fighting. I was more scared before like a big fight.

Like, it was weird. I was like, why am I nervous? I didn't make any sense. My friend Whitney Cummings explained to me. She said, people of this fear of public speaking because in tribal societies.

Back in the day, the only time you spoke in front of a large group of people. Was when you're being judged because they were going to kill you. Oh, I'm just saying. Right. Yeah.

Don't that make sense? Yeah. Yeah. So like if you're front of all the people, they're all like, What did he do?

“You know, so you have to like, guys, I didn't steal the tomatoes.”

Yeah, I never thought about that.

Yeah. That's what it is. Yeah, no place to hide, man. I don't know. That sounds scary.

And especially if like it starts going bad. Like if you start to bomb. Is there is there any way out of that or is it people have recovered? Yeah. People have started off bombing and then pulled themselves out of it.

I've done it a couple of times. Most of the time when I'm bombing I'm bombing forever. Like, but going down. But there's a good to that. All right.

The good is you have to re-examine your material. And every time in my career in the like the early days when I bombed, I always got way better afterwards. Because I was like, whatever the fuck that was, I don't want experience that again. And then I really focused and really really wrote like crazy and went over recordings

and buttoned down and trimmed things and changed things around. And you need losses. Losses are very important. They're important and fighting. They're important and they're important in life.

Like one of my kids just had a breakup recently. And I had a conversation with her. I go, I know this sucks. But this is actually important. Like it has to happen.

And I told her about like the first time a girl broke up with me when I was 17. It was devastating. On the worst. Oh, that was the worst feeling. Couldn't believe my life was over.

Only 17.

I'm never going to recover.

I'm like, it's so important because you realize like, as time passes, you understand that this is just a moment in time. And there's other people you're going to meet.

“And it's just, you have to develop some resiliency, some emotional resiliency.”

Right. And so you have to experience that. And you also have to realize that, you know, people, they don't know what they're doing either. Like boys don't know what they're doing.

Girls don't know what they're doing. Girls don't know what they're doing. They're kind of figuring out as they go along. The people break up and they make up. And these are these lessons that you have to learn in life.

And loss is important because it makes you understand. Like why this person gets sick of me? Why am I annoying? Why? You know what?

Am I selfish? Like what is it? Look, what is wrong with me? You know, why am I picking these people that are going to break my heart?

Why don't I adjust? Why don't I? Maybe I spend some time alone. Figure out what the fuck is wrong with me or figure out who I am. And those moments where you have to kind of go through things and

figure them out, they're so important for you in life. And for a comic, bombing can oftentimes be one of the best, like motivating factors to take you to another level in your career. Or wreck your confidence forever. Right.

Just like fighting.

“Yeah, it doesn't say it happens to fighters.”

Oh, yeah.

Some fighters lose and they're never the same again.

And some fighters lose and then a new version of them emerges in the next fight. You're like, whoa, this dude dialed in. Who would be a good example of that? Charles Olivera. Yeah.

Yeah. He's the best example of it. Because for the longest time, everybody thought he was a quitter. Like he would just break. And now he's going to scare his mother fuckers alive.

Yeah. You know, let's put this last weekend. The fight with Max Holloway. I made a good lord. Max Holloway was a two-to-one favorite in that fight.

And he got shot out. Yeah. Like literally, every round was a dominant performance by Olivera. It was crazy.

It's funny people complaining about that fight, too. It's like the-- Because it was on the ground. Right. Yeah.

My daughter complained about it. Did you? I think the meat amount was so boring. Like you're a casual kid. It's a casual.

People love a slug face, don't they? Oh, yeah. They do. They do. They do love a slug face.

Yeah. But, you know, that's the sport. The sport is like sometimes it's going to be exciting. And sometimes it's just going to be a ground battle. But for me, it was exciting because I was trying to figure out

whether Max could get up. What he could do to prevent from getting taken down. And whether or not he could figure out a way to reverse the position and get on top. And, you know, when you're watching a guy

dominate a world champ and like that, it's just-- you're in marvel. You're like, wow, this is crazy. I can't believe he's able to do this. This is nuts. I wish I would have started Jiu-Jitsu when I was small.

Because I tried, like, you know, late 30s.

well, first of all, it's way cooler than golf.

“But I was like, the amount of time he's going to take me”

until this doesn't feel like being smothered. Yeah. It's going to be a long time. And I don't know if I have-- I don't know if I can start now. I'm sure.

Yeah. Like, it's how long would it take for, like, a grown person until it-- until you actually know what's going on intuitively and it doesn't feel like chaos. Well, there's layers of knowing intuitively. Like, there's guys, like, even as a black belt,

there's guys that I could roll with and I would just get humiliated. Because they're just so much better than I am. Like, my friend Gordon Ryan, that's his belt up there. Abu Dhabi, he's the greatest of all time, like in these 30.

Yeah. The greatest grapple that's ever lived. That looks like fun, man. He's a freaking amazing. But he trains three hundred and sixty-five days a year.

He does not take breaks off. Christmas, fuck you.

It's your birthday, fuck you.

Happy Easter, fuck you. Yeah. He trains every day. And he trains like twice a day, three times a day.

“It's like that is the only way to be the greatest.”

And, you know, and he's obviously a lot better than me, but it's not the best example. He does that to heavyweight black belts, just humiliating it. He writes down on a piece of paper what he's going to do to them, and hands it to the judges before the fight.

So he's like, I'm going to triangle this guy. Like, that's crazy. And he's doing it to world champions to amazing. Like, guys who have been, like, multiple time world champions. Wow.

And he's just predicting what he's going to do. And then he passes on every submission until he can get him in that. Like he's having fun, but he's like he's playing with his food. You know, so this levels to stuff. So to be competent in rolling, you could get there in a couple of years,

depending on how long for you train. Like, board Dane got really serious at 58. Wow. At 58. That's when he started.

That's when he started. Yeah. When I first met him, he wasn't training at all. When I first met him, he came to the UFC. His wife was really into the UFC.

And she was, she had just started doing Chiu Jitsu. And she was getting him into the sport and he really got interested in it. And then she took him to Jitsu classes.

“Like, fuck, this is actually kind of fascinating.”

Yeah.

And he had never done any kind of athletic things in his whole life.

And then, like when he was six, he was a photo of him, like, in his 60s. And he's walking on the street with his, he had gotten divorced and he was dating some new girl. And he's got the six pack.

And he looks shredded. And when I first met him, he was like, "Go, wee." And he was like, "Thom ring." And he was like, "You know, a chef." And, you know, he was into drinking.

And he just became a Jitsu addict. And he was training every fucking day. And sometimes twice a day. He would do a private lesson. And then he would take a class every day.

Wow. Yeah, he got a, and then he, he told me it was taken. He's like, "When we're hunting in Montana, we were on the ground in Montana. He wanted to learn some stuff."

So I was explaining him, sort of. But like, I'm like, "When you go for a dars, there's a way to get this thing called a Japanese necktion. I was explaining to him on the dirt." And I was like, "You guys all camoed out to introduce us?"

On the ground. But he was like, he was so interested in it. He was like constantly asking questions. And he had guys that were in the crew that it also got interested in Jitsu because of him.

So like, while he was there filming his show, he also went down and was training. He found a local Jitsu gym. And he went down there and trained. Why was that?

He would train everywhere on the road. Yeah, he would go to like, foreign countries and train. Like, he didn't even speak the language. And, you know, he's just fucking famous guy from TV. And he's just rolling in there with like normal people

and getting strangled. 58, man. That's incredible. 58. I have no excuse.

I'm going to start. Yeah, do it. I want to put it in front of my kid for sure. Oh, definitely. I mean, as soon as you can do it, I want him to try.

You know, if he likes it or not. But it's like, I feel like it's one of those things. It's so good to connect with other people in that way from such a young age. Yeah.

He's a confidence. And then if you love it, if he has a passion for it, you don't have to worry about him becoming a drug addict or something. Because you can't be both. Right.

You know, there's a few things. You can't be both. You've got to really give that everything. Also, it becomes like a real source of confidence for kids. If they know that they can fight, like, they can avoid fights.

People won't want to fight them because they'll have a reputation. They can, it's very good to know. And it's also like, you can get out of things just by knowing how to fight. Because you know, like, what people are doing, what they're not doing. You don't say anything stupid because you're trying to trick a person

to thinking that you're a tough guy. This is a quiet confidence that comes to these guys. And also, if something does happen, most people have zero idea of how to fight or zero. And they think they're just going to swing and hit in the face.

And you see all this shit coming way before it happens. You see the moving the right foot back? Like, oh, God. Yeah. Like, here we go.

It's, it's like they're playing a game, but they don't even know the rules. Like, they don't even know the skill.

But they've seen it on TV and they think they're going to be able to pull it off,

especially if they're drunk. Oh, yeah.

“There's a whole Instagram channel that's dedicated to fights on six street here.”

Have you seen this? It's amazing, dude. It's incredible. You can just walk it for hours. I've seen a bunch.

Yeah. A lot of them taking place right in front of my club. Fights on a street are so scary because guys fall on the hit their head. That's, that's how people die. People die with they get punched in the jaw and they go out and they just bang their head off the roof.

Or there's a lot of people out there that'll, when you're already out, step on your head. Oh, yeah. We see that a lot. Yeah.

That's it. I don't understand anyone who has the impulse to do that. Right. That's crazy to me. Like, if you've won the fight already, move on.

Yeah. That's, that's scary stuff. Yeah. We want some people to get red with rage and we lose their mind and then they want a bit jail for the rest of their life. And then just sitting in a song on what the fuck.

One night drunk, doing something stupid, and now I'm here forever. Yeah. It's crazy. And there's someone's dead. And someone's dead.

Because someone's parents are crying and someone's missing their father. Like, fuck. Yeah. Because he looked at my girlfriend. Yeah.

That's crazy. I know. People are retarded. Yeah.

“The best thing about fighting is it teaches you not to fight.”

Very few of my friends that know how to fight have ever been in street fights.

It's almost never happens.

Mm. It's just like, it's such a stupid thing to do. How many times in your life have you had to use it, like, practically in a real life? Never. Really?

Never. Not since I was in like high school. I've never been in a fight fight. Like an actual fight since high school. I have avoid them.

Yeah. I'm not like, if I know I can fuck you up and I can just get away. I'm like, I just get away. I don't need to prove. Like what's the point?

Also, here's the thing. People always say, oh, if I could fuck people up. Great. And then they're going to come back and kill you. You know?

And then they're going to run you over. Yeah. Shoot you. Don't be stupid. It's pointless.

It's pointless. You know? I've had situations where I thought I was going to have to fuck somebody up. And I didn't. But you have to have self control.

You have to, you know, you have to be able to know. And also, like, most people, like, if they want to fight you, all you have to do is kind of like put your hands up and move a little bit. Like, they're not going to be able to do anything. They'll be swinging. And then you just like, come on.

Right? What are we doing here? Yeah. What are we doing? And it's, it's the only time people get hurt is when you engage.

Like, you're both swinging at each other. Have someone swinging at you and they don't know what they're doing. They have almost no chance hurting me. Like, this is zero. Unless I'm asleep, but some really drunk.

You're almost zero chance of hitting me. Right. Unless you really know what to do. If you really know how to fight, most of those people really know how to fight not fighting. Yeah.

Yeah. And I'm not going to provoke anybody. I'm not going to start a fight. So it's like, I mean, I know a few of my friends that have had to fuck people up Gordon had to beat the fuck out of a homeless guy in Austin.

Yeah. No way. Oh, yeah. Some homeless guy. If you pick the wrong guy.

Boy. And Gordon tried to get out of it. But the guy wouldn't even put him asleep. Wow. Yeah.

Put him asleep. And then call the cops. The cops came and picked the guy up. Yeah. He miliates.

Oh, my kids are the wrong guy. Yeah. But that shows you how fucking stupid people are because Gordon's a gorilla. He's this big giant 240 pound jack dude who's, uh, you know, I don't know how many times you get to a world champion.

And then some fucking idiot. Right. Probably high out of his mind. Yeah. Drugs are a fight with them.

“I think you picked a fight with his girlfriend first.”

I think he'd fuck with his girlfriend and fuck with another guy. Just a problem. Some guys are just nuts, man. Yeah. Mental health issues.

But fights are stupid. They're so pointless. Organized fights. It's a different thing. I mean, that's high level problem solving with dire physical consequences.

That's what I call it. That's what a real fight is. Like both agree. Yeah. Make a certain weight.

We're going to meet his September 7th. Here it is. That's a different thing. It's a beautiful thing. It's like a chess match and you can't breathe.

Yeah. Yeah. It's a good way to put it. Yeah. But in chess, the pieces can only move a certain way.

Right. In Jiu Jitsu, it's nuts. There's so many different variations. Then you add in striking and wrestling. Oh my God.

It's so, I love it.

I never get tired of watching MMA.

It's the most exciting thing ever for me. I like other sports. I've really grown to love football since I moved to Texas. And I can watch a good basketball game. Baseball is hard.

But to me, it's all just downtime unless fights are on. Right. It fights around. I'm not watching anything else. I've been at football games.

I got the UT games with the UFC on my phone. Sitting there, watching the UFC. I wish I had football in V. I went to a Christian school in Ohio. And we didn't have a football team.

I feel like if you don't like grow up around in high school,

I understand the rules and I get it.

But I just, I don't know. I don't love it like people do. And I wish I did.

“I wish it that the stakes just I don't understand it.”

I don't understand the team sport thing as much as I do. Like I love MMA. I love watching UFC because it's like the stakes are so high. Something about one-on-one. Who's the better person today?

You know, that's, you know, you can't. There's no one to blame it on. Right. It's just one person. It's a different thing.

Like I have grown to love it living here. My wife is a big football fan. And so she got me into it. And then I've gone to a bunch of UT games and they're fucking fun, man.

And it's like when someone scores a touchdown, everybody wins. Like the whole team, like the whole audience. Like 80,000 people. And there's something to do that.

Right. Because like when fighters fight, and someone gets knocked out. Like people cheer and it's exciting.

But like, you know, you never know who's,

like if you're watching Justin Gates, you fight Max Holloway. I don't know who's for Justin Gates, who's for Max Holloway. You look out there. Like everybody's wearing UT colors.

Right. Or they're wearing, you know, Oklahoma colors. Like it's like, you've got your colors. Everybody, you've got your outfits. Everybody's pumped.

They, they cheer when this guy scores. They boo when that guy scores. It's like more of a team. Everybody wins together. Yeah.

Whereas like with MMA, you know, you, there's, there's like, you're just watching an individual. You're appreciating an individual. Who's a rare human being.

A type of human being that become a,

“becomes a guy who could become an MMA world champion.”

That is a truly special human. Like the amount of dedication and draw, and the amount of focus and discipline, and the courage that you have to have

to get in your fucking underwear

and stand there with a cup on. With little tiny pads on your gloves in front of another savage. Like another train killer who's been training for 18 weeks

for this one moment, and they bolt the door shut to the cage. And then the referee goes, "Fighter, ready.

Fighter, ready. Let's go!" Crazy. And then the whole world is watching you're surrounded by 20,000 people

and lights and cheering and you're trying to keep your shit together and you're getting kicked. How do you sleep tonight before that? That would be my thing.

I don't think I could. I wouldn't be able to sleep. It's hard. I would always get sick. I would get sick before tournaments

because I wasn't sleeping. Right. I was training really hard. I didn't even take vitamins back then. I was dumbass.

But because I was young, I stopped fighting when I was 22. But for a lot of these guys, it is hard. It's really hard to just relax.

And then they grow to learn how to relax. And then it's really scary. And then it's really hard to beat them because a lot of guys are terrified before they even get like Anderson Silva

and his prime. He would win fights at the weigh-ins because they would just like look at him. And he would be standing there and not you.

And you're like, "Oh my god, I have to fight this guy tomorrow." Oh my god. What have I done? Why am I doing this for my life? Imagine doing that stare down

and mic ties him back. That would be the most terrifying. Oh dude, it was. It was. There would be guys that look.

They were going to faint. One of the referee was given him instructions.

“You know, I remember he fought Bruce Selden”

and Bruce Selden, who was a beast man. He's a fucking tank of a man. And he looked like he was going to faint. During the stare down. I can't imagine.

Yeah. He was the scariest of all time. He was. He was absolutely the scariest of all time. The scariest boxer that I've ever seen in my life.

And there was a period of time between like 1986 and like probably around 1990 where he was just fucking running through everybody. It was so. You would buy the paper view knowing

that the guy was going to get knocked out and hoping that you get your money's worth. Because he lived a paper view as like whatever was 50 bucks or something. You know, like if it's like 30 seconds

like ah, there's bullshit. People would get upset. The paper view is so quick. But that's what you were. That's what you're signing up for.

And those kind of guys, I mean, when you got a guy that's got every box checked, discipline, focus, training, genetics, everything, all together, mindset. Right.

He would beat guys like long before they ever got in there because they knew that they were fighting this demon. This guy that just was so much better than everybody else. And he, there's no way you could catch up to him. No.

Wait, was it true about his, wasn't it like, his trainer died and then it kind of he lost the whole. Yeah. Well, his trainer was custom model. And custom model was a legendary figure in boxer.

He had trained Floyd Patterson, Jose Torres. He trained like a lot of like legit world champions. And he was also a hypnotist. And he, a doctor.

He was a hypnotist. Yeah. Well, he was really into the mental side of fighting. He was almost like as much of a psychologist as he was a boxing trainer.

Like you would tell Mike Tyson, you don't exist. Only the task exists. I would say crazy shit to him. And he adopted him when he was 13.

“So Mike was 13 and he came from Bedford, Sty,”

and Brooklyn was a horrible neighborhood. So his whole life was like crime and violence and no love and just terrible. And also in this man took him under his wing. Who was also a legendary figure in boxing, legendary. Like he was like, he was the guru.

And, you know, he basically, it was like the perfect storm.

And then he was also, his manager was this guy Jim Jacobs. And Jim Jacobs was not just a manager. He was a historian of boxing. And he had this incredible library of all the great fighters. So he would watch film, you know, like fucking.

Those were like, he like I have a projection screen. And he would watch film of like Jack Johnson and Stanley catch ol' you know, Sandy Sadler and all these great fighters from back in the day, Roberto Durran. He would sit there and absorb all these amazing fights. And when you can watch, like that's one of the great things about today.

Like, especially with MMA. Like if you look at the fights from 1993 and the fights from 2026, the skill levels, like magnitudes greater. Because all these guys have grown up watching all these fights now. Because from the time that MMA existed, it was on television.

You could watch it on YouTube after that.

And it was like, there was always fights that you could see.

So you could see what guys were doing. So you had an understanding of the level. So kids would grow up, imitating their favorite fighters. You could grow up, you know, imitating John Jones and imitating Kane Velaskas. And all these guys, and you could absorb a lot just by seeing the elite level of these guys.

And Mike Tyson was one of the only guys back then that had that ability. Interesting. Because he had this immense library of the greatest fights of all time. And so he would be training with one of the greatest trainers that ever lived. It was probably the greatest psychological trainer that ever lived.

Also, the guy was hypnotizing him at 13, programming him to be this destruction machine. And then he was watching fights. So he was watching all these guys, Jack Johnson and all these like great old school champions. Jack Dempsey and like, and he just absorbed it all. Incredible.

And he would get in that ring with fucking no socks on and no robe and just like a throwback.

He was like one, he was like he absorbed the energy of those old great fighters.

The sugar rate Robinson's and the hardcore old school guys who would fight like once a week. Once every two weeks. Dude, is that how often they were doing?

“While they were fought so many times, I think before Sugar Ray Robinson ever lost a fight.”

He was 90 and oh, something crazy like that. Wow. Yeah. Just some 90. Fucking crazy.

Just crazy. Yeah. That's wild. To be able to watch that kind of stuff when you're young, you absorb it. Sure.

It's like kids that play instruments now. Sure. I mean, you'll see an eight year old online who's better than any drummer in the 70s. Right. It's crazy.

They're just how quick they can get better now. Oh, yeah. Because they have access to everyone all the time. So cool. I want to imagine that's like that with all sports now.

But you know, like you can like you could go back and watch if you're a basketball player. You can go back and watch Jordan watch Larry Bird. You can watch, you know, LeBron, Kobe watch all these great basketball players and see what they're doing. Whereas if you were young, you know, in the 60s or 70s, like you only got to see the people you saw. Yeah.

“You were as good as the people you were around, which is why it was so important to be a part of like a great program in high school in college.”

Because then you'd be around like, and then you go to the States and see how these guys are doing. Oh, these guys are better than us. Like, I remember that from wrestling. Like the only time when I was wrestling in high school. The only time you get to see like really good guys, you'd go somewhere else.

Like, I was, I went to school in Newton, Newton, South High School. And we had good wrestlers in our program. And I thought they were good until I would go to the States. And you go, oh my God. These kids are going to camps every year.

They were wrestling 365 days a year. They're like obsessed with it. And then if you go to like Iowa or somewhere like that, like good lord, it's a fucking religion there. And they've been doing that since they were babies. They've been, you know, it's like, you absorb what you see.

And your brain rises to the level of the competition that you see. The last time I was really into a boxer was Loma. I love watching him. He's got a cool story too. It didn't his dad make him do ballet for a while.

You cranium dance for two years. Pull them out of boxing for two years. That guy moves like, it doesn't look real. Right. Like people shouldn't be able to move like that.

The matrix they call beautiful. Yeah. Yeah. He would do footwork that no one had even considered doing before.

And the, his ability to change direction was crazy.

He could be here and then he'd be here and then you're swinging and he's here. And he's here and he's here. And he also was way smaller than everybody. He was way smaller than everybody. Like he was supposed to be 126 pound fighter.

And he went all the way up to the 140 pound division.

“Are there like a lot of younger guys doing that sort of style now coming up?”

Or is it? Is that like a one off? It's kind of a one off. Oosick does it. But Oosick was trained by Loma Chankos father.

It was trained by the same guy. Oosick is essentially like a heavyweight Loma Chankos. That's why he moves so much. It changes. That guy's a freak.

He's a freak. He's a pleasure to watch. Watching that guy. I mean he's beating guys that are so much bigger than him. When he beat Tyson Fury, Tyson Fury was like 280 pounds.

And he's like a cruiserweight. He was really a 200 pound guy that blew up to compete against heavyweights. He's much smaller than those guys.

But he was so fast and so.

And just his under his pattern recognition is understanding of boxing. It's just elite. Like so many levels above everybody else. And he's 38. I get 38.

You're supposed to be done. It's because yeah. No. 38 is in his fucking prime. Amazing.

Also clean life. Clean living. Like serious Christian. Like very, very religious. You know, it doesn't.

Doesn't party. Doesn't fuck around.

“You know, and just trains with like rigid discipline.”

Yeah. That's Soviet style discipline. The Ukrainian discipline. Like those guys like their program over there. Like you see it like in Dimitri B.Vall.

And a lot of the other like Soviet style boxers. They have like a very comprehensive technical program that they put their fighters under. There's a style like B.Vall's the the best example of that style. It's such a fucking difficult style. Because it's so movement based.

And a lot of like American fighters were kind of rigid and their footwork and moving forward. Just trying to land the big shots and like, "BVall's just moving around you all the time. Popping you." And like, oh.

Yeah. Sort of like the Dagestan guys in the man. Mm-hmm. Same thing. But we're not going to beat those guys because it's all they do.

Brother and eat and breathe it. They're in Moitai now. There's this kid that I'm obsessed with. He's 22 years old. His name is Asadulah.

Imangazaleev. I don't want to fuck it up. Asadulah. Imangazaleev. He's a fucking freak man.

He's 22 years old and he's destroying world champions in Moitai. Just killing them. He's Dagestan? Yeah. Oh wow.

“So the Dagestan is taking over strike and now.”

Good. Well it's guys nuts man. He's so fluid too. It's nuts to watch him man. He's like he moves like nobody else moves.

And he's real tall for the way class. So you can't even get close to him. He's fucking him up from the outside. And this is the guy. That's this guy is a fucking freak man.

He's just doing things different than everybody else. Wow. And he's destroying people. Just destroying everyone. Everyone he fights.

He's so unusual man. And again, he's from a hard part of the world man. You grow up in some fucking soft neighborhood. You dad takes you to karate classes. No chance.

You gotta fight this fucking dude. This guy's fighting for his dinner. He's just American people. It's also he comes from a culture that like reviews combat sports. You know, they have their champions.

Guys like Islam, Makachev, Kabib, never come out off.

They're legends over there. Yeah. You know, and everybody grows up wanting to be one of those guys. Where was Fedor from? He's from Russia.

Easy. He was the first. He was watching him growing up man. First. So I used to watch him before auditions.

Really? Yeah. There was just something about his mindset. Whereas like his his he was so even keel. Yeah.

It's like so weak. Yeah. It's like his heart rate didn't change or something. Even when he won he'd just be like. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. His expression never changed. Yeah. He was one of the all time grades.

If not the all time grade. He was different than everybody else. And he was a heavyweight. They could submit you. He could knock you out.

He was fast. He wasn't big. I mean, he was like 5/11. Very unassuming. Yeah.

You wouldn't know. He was the most dangerous guy. Yeah. He didn't give a fuck what he looked like. He was all about how he could perform.

Right. You know. And he was a part of like that era where MMA emerged. And in Japan it was so much bigger than it was in America. During the Pride days when Fedor was running shit.

There was 90,000 people in those arenas. Whoa. Yeah. He was like the Tokyo Superdome. They were doing these gigantic arenas.

And like everyone was a fan in the country. And then it all went away. Because the Yakuza was involved.

And you know.

“Like MMA was bigger in Japan than it was anywhere in the world.”

And it just kind of like pizzled out.

Did you ever go to any of those in Japan? I went to a UFC once in Japan. We did one UFC in Japan. And I went there. It was really cool.

I was just, I was just really happy to be in Japan for a fight. Because I, you know, I've been such a fan of Japanese martial artists and Japanese martial arts period. And like I have a, I mean, I have me a multi-musashi time. You do know my arm. But being in there in Japan was like, it was interesting because they were so educated.

Like they were really quiet. Well the fights are going on. But then when something would happen. And even something really technical. Like somebody passing the guard.

There we go. And they would all clap like I was like, whoa, this is interesting. Yeah. Like it was like, you could hear each corner yelling instructions. Like you didn't, didn't hear the crowd at all.

Wow. This 16,000 people in that school. That's cool. It was wild. Yeah.

It was a completely different kind of audience. Like very respectful, very appreciative and very knowledgeable. It was cool. Do you think if you didn't do what you did? Would you rather watch, like UFC in person?

Or would you watch it at home? Uh, in person's the best. You want to be there. You want to feel the crowd.

“But I would want to be there where I sit.”

Like I'm super spoiled. Yeah. You got the best thing. Yeah. I'm like, I could reach up and grab the cage.

It's right there. Like I'm so spoiled. But, um, you know, if you're in the bleachers, if you're in like the nose pleats, you're probably better off watching it at home,

honestly. Because then you get the commentary. You get to see replays. You get to see, you know, like close up. If you got a big TV at home, you get to see everything.

I just sat close for the first time.

I went to the patty. Gachy fight. Oh, did you? It was amazing. That was a good one.

It was amazing, dude. But yeah, it's definitely different hearing the sound. Oh, yeah. It's like a hole. When you hear like bone on bone, you're like, well,

Well, my favorite was during the pandemic. We had fights at the UFC Apex with no crowd. It was insane. It was so, because we were world championship fights with no crowd. That's crazy.

There was maybe like 1500 people in the room. Wow.

“It was like mostly just staff of the UFC,”

the trainers of the fighters, and some of the other fighters in the audience, some friends in the audience. And that's it. And the UFC Apex has a smaller ring to a smaller cage.

So it's like, I think it's like, I want to say it's 40% smaller. It's a lot smaller. Really? Yeah.

I didn't know that. Yeah, it's small. How would that affect a fight? A lot. Practically.

Can't I move as much? Oh, not as much distance to get away. You know, so a guy who likes to like move around alone, get away from people. Like I saw Francis and gone over,

it's a steep image. When Francis won the title, in the Apex with no crowd. That's crazy. And when Francis hits things,

it's like, it's like hearing a baseball bat hitting a pumpkin. It's just lump. Yeah. And you're right there. You hear them breathing.

You hear the crunch when they get hit. You know? Right. You hear the coaches yelling out. Hands up.

Hands up. Move. Move. You know, hit him with the one. One, two.

They're yelling on instructions. And it's like, there's no one else there. It's silent. Wow. It's amazing.

So that's the way. Oh, that's my favorite. Cool. But there's something about an amazing crowd. You know, like when you're watching a big world title fight,

you know, like in Vegas or in the mass square guards and incredible place. Just who's the history of the place. You feel it when you're in mass square guard. But my favorite is the Apex. How do you feel about this white house card?

That's insane. Makes you a little nervous. So I don't want to have the best idea. Yeah. Yeah.

It seems like it would war. Yeah. Some room for some Tom Fuller. It seems like it. Yeah.

The card is not what they wanted it to be for sure. They wanted it to be like all world titles. But, you know, matchmakers have a very difficult task. It's very hard to find people that aren't injured. That are like, like, that are ready at this particular time.

Because the brutal aspect of the sport is that guys are always hurt.

They're always training hurt. They're always getting hurt. They fight hurt. They're always, no one very rarely is anyone going into the octagon. 100%.

Sure. There's always something going on. Guys are, they're dealing with staff infections in camp. They're taking antibiotics. And it fucks with your endurance.

And maybe they've got a muscle pole or a leaf that's fucked up. And when Francis and Gano fought, serial gone, he blew his ACL out. So he had a rapist leg up. And he had one leg. And he beat him with one leg.

That's crazy. Guys have fought with broken hands. You know, Alex Pereira. He's beaten guys with a broken foot. He fights with a broken foot.

Just stoic. Stand in there. Nose's foot's broken. It doesn't give him a fuck. He fought with a bad knee.

His knee needed surgery. Like, like, there's a fight that he fought. Yuri Prasca where he's on top of Yuri, they stopped the fight and he does a forward roll to get off of them after they knocked them up because he couldn't stand on his left leg.

No. No. He had surgery. I remember that fight. That's crazy.

Yeah, he had surgery after the fight.

“I know that's really big in our house because Brazil.”

Oh yeah. Those Brazilians, man, they love each other. It's crazy. My wife, she doesn't care about MMA that much, but if there's a Brazilians fighting, she's all about it. Oh yeah, very, very proud people. Yeah.

And it's also like Brazil's where it all started. They were having MMA fights in Brazil in the 1930s. Really? Oh yeah. Ilya Gracie who's really the founder of all this shit.

He's the father of like the Gracie clan, the Gracie family, is like the greatest story in the history of martial arts. That one family has changed martial arts forever. And it really changed it because of Carlos Gracie and Ilya Gracie and Carlson Gracie. These three Gracies who competed in these no rules fights.

They didn't have time limits back then, no gloves, no nothing. And they were fighting in giant crowds in Brazil in the 1930s, 1940s. And they were figuring things out that nobody had figured out before.

They figured out they took techniques from judo.

Like judo was mostly about throws, but there was some submissions. And so they concentrated only on the submissions. And they honed and they created Brazilian jujitsu. Like jujitsu, which was a Japanese martial art. Right.

But Brazilian jujitsu is far more technical than Japanese jujitsu. And even Japanese guys now trained Brazilian jujitsu.

“I was going to say, is there any of their purists that only do the Japanese styles?”

They're not really. You can't really compete. I mean, you could because everybody kind of knows everything now because Brazilian jujitsu is made its way into every other sport. Brazilian jujitsu is made its way into Russian sambal.

And which is another combat sport was also elite. But Brazilian jujitsu changed the game. And the Gracie family changed everything forever. And the guy who fought in the UFC hoist, he wasn't even the best guy in the family. He told everybody, my brother Hicks and kills me.

Hicks and was the man. Like Hicks and was above and beyond everyone packed in. And he was a guy who did yoga. He was meditating. He did this crazy thing with a stomach where you do this breathing,

where stomach was stuck in. He was like a real freak. And he was undefeated. Like nobody could touch him. He would go and do these seminars.

So he teach a seminar. And teach it to all these black balls. And then he would roll with all of them. Non-stop. And just tap out everybody.

Everybody. I don't want champions. They're like, ah, this is a bunch of hype. And they go there. I'll get on board.

They'll get leg lock. It was crazy. He was so much better than everybody else. And so they wanted hoist to win. Hicks and also was like pretty jacked.

And he was like really fit. He was really into strength and conditioning. And like I just had yoga. He was incredibly flexible. Like he could stand there and do the splits.

Yeah, I read that. It's awesome. Yeah. And he had that documentary. It's a great documentary called Choke.

The nominal documentary about his rise through Japan Valley 2-0.

And then he was the guy they based the first pride event on.

Okay. He was the champion of the first pride event. He was the guy that the whole thing was based on. Because he was huge in Japan. I mean, he was a superstar in Japan.

But he was the champion of the family. And they wanted hoist to do it. Because hoist was like smaller and he would show that jujitsu was about technique. That makes sense. And the plan was if hoist ever got beat throw in Hicks in.

Okay. And everybody's fucked. But Hicks and like his brother Horian started the UFC and Horian and Hicks and had friction. And Horian really couldn't control Hicks in. And so they were like, let's put hoist in.

And if we need to call on Hicks and we'll call the boogie man. He was the boogie man.

“Remember the guy? I think he was the one.”

He had the one glove. The one boxing. Yeah. Our chimerson. Yeah.

What was that about? Well, I think he decided he wanted to be able to hold on to people. And he wanted to punch him with his right head. We're attacking. Well, no one knew what the fuck they were doing back then.

Everybody Jackson did. Everybody had this idea of what fighting was. And they didn't really know until they got taken down. There's very hard. Oh, it was his left hand.

So that's interesting. So I guess he wanted to pop on with the jab. Was that a hoist just fuck it. Put it to that guy. Amazing.

But hoist was doing something that nobody had seen before. And that one event when he was doing that to people. It changed everything. It changed my opinion of martial arts. I immediately started taking jiu-jitsu.

I was like, oh my god. You were Thai condo. I started in Taiwan, though. And then I did kick boxing for a while. And then when as soon as I saw the UFC,

I immediately started taking jiu-jitsu. Yeah.

And then when I started taking it, I had so cocky. I was like, I'm not a fight. And then I took classes, which is getting manhandled and mulled. And tapped left and right. I was like, oh my god.

I'm a beginner. Yeah. This is so humiliating. I was like, I got to get good at this. Yeah.

I couldn't believe how helpless I was. I was running around thinking that I was a badass. And I was just a fool. Yeah, I don't know how many are you real quick. Oh, so I want to do that.

I did it for, you know, maybe a couple of months.

And I just, I never made it past the hump.

I should probably try again. But get a trainer. Get a guy who can do drills with you. That's really huge. If you can get someone to do drills with you.

And like, just go over like, like on a one on one basis. The, the, the, the, the finer aspects of it. And just do drills drills drills over and over again. And then slowly start working your way into group classes. Yeah.

That's the key. I think the thing is with, you know, if you, if you go to a boxing class, and boy tie class, you get to get some frustration out. Right. Because you're hitting something, and it kind of feels good on your drive home. You feel like, you just beat the shit out of that bag, you know?

Yeah. But then you do, you roll with somebody who's really good. And you go home and you're more frustrated. But the first time you tap someone, it's like, it's such a revelation. Like, oh my god, I got an arm bar.

Oh my god, I got a triangle. Like the first time you actually catch someone something and they tap.

I'll never forget that feeling.

I was like, wow.

“And then you have to just trust the process.”

It's a process of showing it up and realizing it is a tall mountain decline. It's, you're not going to get there quick. It's a weird thing to do with your body. Your body doesn't know what to do with it. That's why drilling is so important.

When you're drilling, you're going over the motions without resistance. So your body sort of gets programmed. How to switch your hips and how to catch the arm and how to pull your body back. And secure it with your legs and all the different things that you have to do. Where if you're doing just live sparring all the time, you, you're not going to learn.

Because you're all panicking and tight. You got to be able to like train your body to move a certain way. So it becomes automatic. And is there a way to do it where you can stay relatively injury-free while you're learning? Or is it like that's just part of it?

It's kind of part of it. It's kind of part of it. Yeah. Everybody just sort of assumes you're going to eventually get hurt. You're going to fuck your knee up or fuck your ankle up or whatever.

But the best way is to find good training partners.

Don't train with any wild people because some people just can't count things. Those are dangerous. The really dangerous people are like blue belts were really strong. They were just like really spas out on you. Like sure.

Kind of avoid those folks because they could blow your knee out accidentally. Yeah. You know, I've seen that a lot. Like I know people that are really good that won't roll with people that are spas. They're like, I'm not.

I definitely ran into a couple of the guys that are like, they just wanted to choke out Casey Dutton. Of course. But come on, man. I just started. Of course.

I used to get that when I was on fear factor. A lot of guys wanted to choke out the fear factor. Yeah. But you know, that's just part of the fun. Like 14, like you just 58 year old white belt nuts.

Wow. If that guy did it, fucking kind of anybody can do it. What belt did he get to? Am I got to purple? Ah, you definitely got to blue.

I don't know if you got to purple. But he won tournaments. Wow. He competed in tournaments. You know?

“You know, I remember when he first started doing.”

He was like, I'd really like to compete in some age-appropriate tournaments. I was trying to talk him out of it. I was like, don't get hurt, man. We need you out there. Yeah.

He was obsessed. If he could do it, like that just goes to show you a guy with no athletic experience. Not a worker, didn't train, didn't do any working out. He was a runner, didn't lift weights, nothing. And then at 58, it's like, all right.

I don't think he'd get good at this. That's amazing. Yeah. Good for him, man. It's awesome.

Well, he was a guy that had had substance abuse problems in his past. And the thing about being an addict is if you can focus whatever that thing is and get addicted to something really good, you can really excel. Sure. For whatever weird reason, also there's a flip side.

So people that are addicted to a sport or a thing and they get really good at a thing. And then they become drug addicts. That same thing can kind of hijack your brain. And then all you're doing is like chasing method all day. Right.

I've seen that happen to it. For sure. Yeah. Get back into it. It's a fun thing to do.

It's good for your head, too, because it's the hardest thing you'll ever do. It's so hard. Because you're essentially what the game you're playing is. I kill you or you kill me. Right.

So when a guy gets your back and gets your rodent and chucking you top, you're essentially saying you could just killed me. All right. Thank you for not killing me. I give up. And then when you do it to him, he's saying that to you.

Yeah.

“So it's so hard that the rest of your life is easy.”

Right. Everything else becomes easy. Well, all this stress of fame, success, and Hollywood and the bullshit.

You're trying to get your hand down to protect yourself. It's way harder. And that makes the rest of your life easier. If you can choose what's hard in your life, you'll be way better off. Find a thing that's way more difficult on your mind, way more difficult on your body,

way more difficult on your spirit than this other thing that you do. So it'll make that other thing easier to tolerate. Yeah. Stay humble, too. Yeah.

Super humble. I'm not going to think you're cool for being able to say some lines.

“Some people get, well, that's the other thing, right?”

You get really intoxicated with everybody kissing your ass. Oh, yeah. Easy, easy trapped. We've all seen that. We've all seen actors that are just like inflated.

Oh, for sure. Yeah. Yeah.

I'm a little blessed in the way that I've never thought I was very great at anything.

I enjoyed doing the things, but I've never really, I'm never good enough for myself kind of hard on myself a little bit. But I've seen it for sure. If you're waiting for someone else to validate you, once they do, you're screwed. Right. Because you're going to believe it.

Right. I mean, yeah. Well, this is a problem of being a star, is that like all these people need you and the world, their world of the show revolves around you. Yeah.

So they're all like, you know, kind of kissing your ass and reverent towards you. It's like, it's a little weird. Yeah. I mean, that's new for me, too. You know, I'd never been anything that was like a massive hit before Yellowstone. And now it's this new show.

Now it's a hit. And I'm the number one on the call sheet, which is very new. And so I'm like, you know, I'm an asset to them in a different way. But it would be interesting navigating that. So you're probably going to try to talk you out of doing music.

Yeah. I probably have to sign something that I won't. You know, I'm not a lot of like ski. There's a lot of things because of the insure. Yeah. Like if I get hurt and production has to shut down,

it's a lot of money for them. So yeah. That makes sense. Yeah. I don't know if that's one of them though.

But it's like, yeah, skiing. Don't ask. It's funny because horseback riding usually is. And I passed it. That's the most dangerous.

Horseback riding scares a shit out of me. Dude, I meet too. It was not. It didn't come natural. That's not like a thing that I'm naturally good at.

Or had done before Yellowstone. My oldest daughter did it for a little bit in California. I fell a couple of times. And one time she heard a wrist really bad. And I was like, please stop. Don't do this.

Because she was doing those things where you'd like jump over stuff. Like that's so dangerous. Because they stopped just shy of that thing. And you go flying. Right.

Yeah. Her friend, she had a good friend that was really into it. And they started doing it together. And I was like, please don't. And she fell a couple times.

She was okay. But one time she really heard a wrist. And I was like, please stop. Because you wrist, they can fix your neck. You get like, Christopher Reeves, you know.

“Oh, I think about Christopher Reeves every time I came out.”

Just I believe it. I wish I didn't. That was what he did, right? He was doing the jumping thing, right? Wasn't.

I believe so. Yeah. I just don't. I don't. Yeah.

I don't get it. Do you ride motorcycles? No. No. I don't even.

Almost did. Almost did. We're taking lessons. Me and a couple of the other guys that worked on the crew at Fearfactor.

We all took motorcycle lessons together. We were all talking about it. And so we took motorcycle safety courses.

You know, you basically riding like it's kind of a dirt bike.

And they teach you how to, you know, shift and all this stuff. And I kind of got into it. I was like, this is really fun. And then three of my friends had motorcycle accidents. Like within a short time period.

One of them wiped out, fucked up a shoulder. The other one got hit by a car, broke his leg. And then the other one was actually someone saw someone. It wasn't an actual motorcycle accident. He was there when some guy got re-rended by a car that wasn't paying attention.

Just plowed into him and sent him flying and fucked this guy up. And I was like, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not doing that. I had a bike for a couple months in LA. And I went on a ride.

And you know, it's one of those things. You have to have the bug. You're like either have or you don't. And I was trying to get the bug. I, because I wanted that to be a part of my identity.

You know, I wanted to be a guy who rode motorcycles. So I rode up the Pacific Coast Highway. And I was kind of riding up through like, oh, hi. And going around this corner, you know, this sort of like cliffside. And that thing where if you stare at something,

that's where you're going to go. And I just kind of was like zoned out. And I almost ate shit right into the side of this cliff. And I was alone. Like if I would have done it.

It would have been forever until anyone figured out. Like what had happened to me. You know, and I kind of, it was a really, really close call. And I just got off the bike and I kind of sat there for a minute. And I was like, yeah, I don't love it enough to die this way.

You know, I mean, I don't need this in my life.

And I never did it again.

I have friends that have never had a problem. I have friends that ride bikes that have never had a problem.

“I think if I lived in Montana, I might do it.”

Because there's just not that much traffic. No, but my seven-year-old neighbor just hit a deer.

And he was going 70 on the highway for the period.

Yeah.

“And he's, and he's fine to this guy's a tank.”

But how old was he? 70. Killed the deer. He had road rash everywhere. And he was kind of like, you know, on the counter for a few minutes. He's fine.

Dude, he is a tank. It's got, they make him different out there, dude. He's my next alert day. He's amazing. Shout out Steve.

Wow. He's got a range in his backyard to 500 yards. Oh, wow. And has every firearm imaginable. And things you didn't even know they made.

And so any time, I can just, you know, ride over there. And the side by side, we grab a few and go down and shoot in the back. Oh, that's nice. That's cool. Yes.

Yeah. You find people like that in Montana. Oh, yeah. Yeah. He's the real deal.

Wow.

But 70 years old, hitting a deer is crazy on a bike.

Yeah. Killed the deer. And about a month later, he was all right. He was back on the bike. Oh, boy.

Jeez.

“I've seen some videos of guys hitting deer.”

Like, you see, like, from their camera. Right. You see this thing leap in front of their old then bike. Yeah. Yeah.

Dears. They're everywhere out here, man. When I'm driving home, I drive slow. There's like a certain road deer in my house where they just pop out all the suicidal deer. Yeah.

Just pop out especially like around the rut. Yeah. The bucks are chasing. Not chasing straight. They're not chasing straight.

They're out there. Like, fucking. Yeah. Pussy hungry. Stand in the road.

Staring at you. I love explaining to people how the rut works. Because it works just like humans. Only time they're dumb enough that you're going to get one is when they're hurting. Right.

But for them, it's once a year, which is way crazier than us. Can you imagine if it all came on? Bro, if humans had a rut, I would go on vacation during that time. I'm like, I'm hiding. I'm not going to be anywhere near.

It's probably like murder or something. A lot to be in jail for that month or whatever. I get a bunker. Get a bunker. Locked down what Netflix for a month.

Fuck that. No way, man. That would be crazy.

“Imagine if the whole world had to run at the same time.”

Oh my god. It's a good movie idea. It is a good movie idea, right? That's actually a great movie idea. It's called the rut.

Yeah. Like, human beings evolve. Or maybe there's like genetic engineering because they decide that there's over population. And the solution to it is only how people breed at a certain time. And also, like, keep people from being distracted all the time.

Like, how many people are on dating apps and how many people are like, you know, going to bars and trying to find someone. It's like, it's a huge waste of your time. Oh my god, my 20s and 30s were just blown as of it. It's just all I thought about.

Massive. Massive waste of your time. If there was like a solution to that, the solution would be like, "Well, everyone's going to breed. Only during November."

Maybe it's the best thing ever. Be creative. There was like a switch. You could flip. Like, a little boy, you're like flip it and then go out.

Right. And then out. The rest of the year, like you don't even care about girls. Like, it's so productive, man. Bucks just walk by a female dough and like, you know, fucking June.

They don't give a shit about it. Yeah. And they don't have their antlers so they look the same. Right. You know what I mean?

They lose their masculinity. Right. Right. I get it back pretty quick. Those fucking things grow quick.

It's like they fall off when a month or two they start growing nubs. Isn't it the fastest growing bone material on the... Yeah. I think elk is. We could be because that's nuts.

I mean, you look at a forehand and a 400-inch elk. Like some of those antlers that are out there. Imagine that that grows in a couple of months. It's bone. It's crazy.

And they fight to the death with it. Crazy. Like, we find elk that have been killed by other elk. How happens all the time? Have you hunted in Montana?

Yeah. Not elk. A hundred mill deer in Montana and a peasant at the time I went with.

I've never done elk until I moved up there.

I started hunting a white tail when I was like 10. I was really young because we have a big white tail in Ohio. And I thought hunting elk would be similar. And boy was I mistaken. Probably it is.

We bow hunting a rifle hunting. I've done both. But my first was a bow hunt. And we went out there. We were camping out there.

I mean, I just made friends with the contractor that built my house in Montana. He took me. We went public land around Dylan Montana. And we went for a week and I had to tap out day four. Like, I couldn't.

My leg stopped working. I didn't. I didn't know I had. It was like this. So the next year I went.

I was like, prepared for it. But I didn't know. And you really got to go for it. Oh, you got to get in shape. Yeah.

I do a lot of shit before September. I do. I have this crazy routine that I do on air dine bike. I do these tabadas on an air dine bike where you sprint for 20 seconds. Yeah.

You rest for 10. You sprint for 20 seconds. And all I'm doing is thinking about getting over a hill, getting over a hill to get a shot. I mean, and then I do like box step up.

fucking heavy kettlebells.

All I'm doing is just trying to condition my legs. Yeah.

“You have to like those mountains are brutal.”

Yeah. There's no mountains here for me to practice on. Right. But in California, I used to run hills with my dog. And you're at elevation, which makes it even harder.

Yeah. And I weird thing people wouldn't expect, like just, you know, makes it even worse. You get up in the morning at zero degrees, middle of the day. It's 50, 60. And you're hiking all day. So it's like, how do you dress for that?

You have to dress to be cold. Yeah. Like once you start walking, you have to be cold. Yeah. Like you got to get down to your base layer and walk cold.

And then if you ever have to stop, then you put it on in the other key. Marina wool. Mm. That's the key. Because wool is different than cotton.

If your cotton gets wet and then you, you're sweaty. And then you get cold, you're fucked. Right. But wool's not like that. Marina wool is the best because, like, if you have, especially a base layer.

Because when you're sweating, it kind of keeps you a little cool. And then if you get cold, it doesn't, it doesn't feel cold. Yeah. Because it's, it's not synthetic. It's, or it's organic.

Makes sense. Yeah. It's a weird fiber.

“You know, you used to walk to the deer stand, kind of in half of our stuff.”

Keep the other half in a pack. And then like once I got in the tree stand, I put everything. Right. So that you, you know, the sweat wouldn't freeze to you. That's hard.

The deer hunting in a tree stand is fucking hard. It's like a silent retreat and you're freezing. Yeah. You're freezing. And you're sitting up there waiting for a deer to walk by.

And then you're so cold that when the deer walks by, you go to pull your bow back. You're like, oh, Jesus. Yeah. Like why am I so weak? Like you can barely pull your bow back when you're up in the tree.

Yeah, but nothing. I mean, no, no challenge whatsoever compared to Alcania. You know, I was like blew my mind how hard that was. And the guy I went with, you know, you grew up in Montana. He's like a mountain goat. I just like couldn't keep up with this guy.

Man, I'm like, this is an, how do you do this? Just constant all day long. You can't just get out of your, off your couch and go. I'll come to the mountains. You can't do it.

No, you got to get in shape. No, like my friend came in. That's why he started running. He's, he came out ultra runner. Yeah, he's doing like 250 miles.

Yeah, right. Yeah, he doesn't like these three day runs. I'm trying to get you into that. Are you done? He's no chance.

I have one knee that sucks. I have one knee that I fucked up in martial arts. It's missing meniscus. And I cracked it skiing too. I wiped out skiing.

Got a fracture at the top of my tibia. So it's like, it's, if I started running, he would get beat up real bad. Right. But I do, there's plenty of conditioning you could do without running. You know, but it's the pounding of running.

It's not good for my knee.

You're something so amazing about getting to that first thing in the morning when sounds coming

up in your glassing. Mm-hmm. And you're just like, this is what I always wanted hunting to be like. Yeah. It's the real thing.

Yeah. It's like, this is what it's supposed to feel like. You're so far out there. You know, I didn't get to go the last couple years. My wife was having our baby two years ago.

So that wasn't a lot of being the woods with no service. And then last year I was shooting the show. But this year I'm going to be able to go. I got a good spot. And even if I'm shooting the show, it's like, it's right there.

Well, they have phones now that have satellite service.

“Um, I think you, is that, does tea mobile have that now?”

We can get Starlink on your, on your phone? I know they're doing that soon. And, you know, you can't text message with iPhones. You can, I got to that right. You know what the best thing is, man.

When we're in Utah last year, the last two years. I've had a Starlink mini. It is the shit. It's like the size of an iPad. He just lay it down on the ground.

You use the app and the Starlink app will tell you which way to point it to. And you get high speed internet. I have one for when we shoot. It's incredible. It's really middle nowhere.

It's so awesome. It's the best. It's so good. You can, you can, here it is. Tea satellite.

Yeah. That's the shit, man. Yeah. So you can, can you make phone calls or is it just internet? It's phone calls too, right?

Texting and select satellite ready apps. Okay. Just texting. Satellite service including text and 911 may be delayed limited or unavailable. So you can just text and some satellite ready apps right now.

So that's like everywhere. That's cool. Yeah. So eventually they'll have. It'll be like Starlink would be connected to your phone.

And you'll be able to get high speed internet everywhere in the world. We don't have war worth. Yeah. Bro, blow everybody up. Yeah.

But there's the electronic thing that the thing that makes it all the more exciting is like they're moving around. You go to sneak up in on them. You're playing the win and then the sound they make when they're screaming.

And you hear, you're like, if you never knew what that was, you would think there's

demons in the woods. Yeah. Demons are like T-rex. Right. It's crazy.

It sounded so incredible.

It's like that to me is one of the things that I love like every year because everything

goes away. It's so difficult. It's so difficult to get in shape for it. So difficult to manage your way into the mountains and to be in shape, to be able to do it day after day.

And then to be able to pull off a shot. Like you have this brief moment that thinks 65 yards away and you draw back. Yeah. Trying to settle your pin. And you could have done all of that just to like mess it up.

Yeah. One little tiny. Yeah. And it happens all the time. But when you're successful, oh my God.

It's the greatest feeling of all time. And then when you're eating it. And then you're at home and you're on the barbecue, grilling these elk sticks. I can't wait to do this again. Yeah.

It's so exciting. Yeah. And it's just, but it's the being out there. It's like a vitamin. It's like a vitamin that you didn't know you needed.

Yeah. Your whole body's like, oh, this is so much better than regular life. You can't be mentally unwell. No. It's like impossible.

Right. Yeah. It's amazing. He just feels so much better. The air is better.

You know, it's like, and you're more focused. You're not distracted. And you just, you feel alive. Yeah. And then it's also the majesty of nature.

You just around these trees, mountains. And he catching all these animals that are out there. And then you see Eagles flying overhead.

“You're like, I think I'm just going to move out here.”

I'm just going to do this. And then you go back to real life. And you're like, oh, yeah. I think that all the time. I think that all the time that I like to live in the mountains.

My wife is not down with it. But I love it. Yeah. I might get to play somewhere one day in the mountains. Just to retreat.

Just to be able to just disconnect shut off for a while. I think that's probably a good idea. I love it. I think I wonder though, now that I have a kid. We're going to have to start thinking about school for him and stuff.

And there's really not. I don't know if I don't, you know, once we get there, we'll figure that out. But we're going to probably have to get somewhere closer to some people. It doesn't boast enough good schools.

What do you mean? What do you mean? What do you mean? I'm about an hour south of Missoula. So I fly to Missoula to go home.

Missoula has good schools, right? Yeah. But I'd have to move closer to Missoula. And at that point, I'm like, why don't I just move to a city, I guess. You know?

Oh, I know.

“I think the move might be getting some or, you know, a little more populated and then keeping”

like a cabin on Tano, like you were talking about, you know, and then taking him out there whenever we can. That'd probably be the same. Do you have a place in your house where you record? Do you have like a little recording studio right there?

Yeah, like I'll just for me to record demos to send to people to actually record. Just to be like, this is something I've been working on. Or, you know, kind of a set up like one of these and a computer. But yeah, I do a lot of writing up there. It's a great place to write songs.

How do you write? Do you write on paper? Or do you just start strumming and sing in? Different every time. Sometimes I'll have like, it'll, it'll be a melody.

It'll be a guitar riff. It could be like a lyrical idea. Some sort of hook, you know, it comes in a lot of different ways. And then sometimes I'll finish something on my own. Sometimes I'll do a Nashville trip and sit with some other writers that I like and, you know,

we'll kind of like bang it out together and that's the coolest part of the process, man. There's something about making something out of absolutely nothing. It's like a difting, you know. It's really cool. Yeah, jokes are similar in the way I bet.

I've never really been a songwriter but of guessing.

So it's like creating something out of, like, at your mind. Yeah. All of a sudden it's a thing and then you're performing it in front of people. And it's like, that's where you talk about this and any good creative person talk about this. But it like, it comes to you.

Yeah. You can't really take credit for a good idea. Yeah. Exactly. I'll be just be driving and be like, whoa, that's where that comes from.

Like, whatever that is, give me more of that. Yeah. I love it, you know. I was talking to Michael Paul in about that yesterday. We were talking about consciousness.

And we were talking about how it just seems like you're not doing it. It's just coming out of the ether. You know, it's just like, and you just have to show up and receive it. And if you show up enough and you, you know, pay homage to the muse and sit there. They have a read war of art, Stephen Pratt's book.

I got a box of copies. I'll give you a copy of the book out there.

He always get, well, I bought a box of copies.

I bought a bunch of them and I used to hand them out to comedians and artists. When I was on the show, I was like, well, let's just listen to me. You got to read it. It's a really small book. It's easy.

But it's one of the best books ever about creativity. And it essentially just, he tells you, if you treat it like there is a muse. Like there's a god, a goddess that will give you ideas as long as you pay respect to the muse.

“You have to show up on time every day, sit there and do it.”

And some days you get nothing. But you just got to keep showing up, keep showing up and trusting that process. And eventually like, oh my god, this idea is so good. Yeah. That makes sense.

Where did it come from? Yeah, when I'm in a really good spot, sort of mentally, emotionally, spiritually,

Yeah.

“And I know there's this like mysticism around like people who like, you know,”

Andreas Thompson or someone like that who just kind of spend a lot of time being fucked up. And they still get it.

But never worked out really well for me.

I've tried it. Trust me. It's not great. With those guys, they're trying to get out of their own head. You know, they're just trying to get blasted so they could just like,

just release themselves from their life. And then just obliterate it. Just start writing. Yeah. And then the muse starts talking to them.

Interesting. Yeah. But him and way or there's a lot of guys like, oh, yeah. Had to be sort of a little messed up. Stephen King to do the thing.

That's right. Yeah. Yeah. His book on writing is fantastic too. It's called on writing.

Stephen King writing. Yeah. It's great. Really good. He was obliterated.

Like most of his great work. Most of the great stuff.

“Out of his fucking mind on drugs and alcohol.”

Yeah. Alcohol. And some of those guys like, once they stop doing it, they lose the thing. They're not, you know, name names. But like, yeah.

There's some, yeah. There's some artists I love that they kind of got clean. Yep. And you know, like, where did the thing go? Yeah.

Which is unfortunate. Yeah. And how does the comics do? Doesn't. Some of them, though, they get better.

Like, they have a tell got way better when he quit drinking. Um, it's interesting.

It doesn't always, it doesn't have to be that.

But for a lot of them, like that crutch, whatever it is that connects them to the creativity. Once they eliminate that part and try to keep, try to stay alive, essentially. Like Stephen King was like killing himself. But his later work is just not comparable. What's your process like writing jokes?

Like how does that start for you? Like how do you? It is a, it's, there's some ideas that just come to me out of the middle of nowhere. Like, I'll be just hanging out. And then I have an idea or I'm driving in my car and I have an idea.

And I just have to write it down. And then a lot of it is just sitting down with a computer sitting down. And like, what am I writing about? I'm writing about immigration. Okay.

Let me fucking. And I write an essay form. So I don't try to write like a stand-up comedy joke, which I've tried before, but that never works. But what does work is, if I lose myself in just roominating on an idea. And just explore it from every different angle.

And then I'll find one paragraph. I might write 2,000 words. And I'll find one paragraph. I'm like, that's it. And I'll take that out and I'll put it in there.

And I'll try to introduce it on stage. And then I try to figure out how to segue into it. And then I try to figure out how to expand on it. And then I'll take that one thing.

“And then I'll stare at that one paragraph and I'll go, what else?”

Like, what else? We'll see other angle. Like, what if I was not like that? Like, how do I feel about if I was on the other side of that? What if I'm the person that's going through this?

And what if I'm this? And then I'll try to just try that.

And it's like, I always describe as like you're trying to build a mountain one layer of paint at a time.

And it's a long and brutal. And then sometimes it's not. Some jokes just come to you in full form. Oh wow. Like, the way I wrote it is the way I say it is perfect.

But that's, you can't count on that either. Right. And again, it's not. I don't think they're mine. You know, they're just coming from somewhere.

Yeah. The key is just showing up. That's the key. The key is like sitting in front of that fucking computer or some guys don't like a computer. They want a note pad.

They want pen and paper. They like, they like it better that way. And I get it. But for me, I can type. Like, I don't have to look at the keys.

I can touch type. So for me, I can write a word out as fast as I'm thinking it, which is way better for me. Then writing down because I write slower than I type. And so I want to be able to get it all out. To me, it's like, it doesn't.

And then I write it on paper eventually. But when I first write it, I want to write it down on a computer because I can capture it quicker. Yeah. And you can cut and paste and move things to another file and start fresh and like explore it again. This last album I did, we tried a really different process than I've done before.

Usually you go into a studio. You know, there's a lot of money behind it. You got a big producer. You know, you're taking up their time. You're everything ready to go.

But on this new one, we did everything. There's only two songs I'd had already written and eight out of the ten songs. We wrote either the day over the night before in the studio because I wanted to make something as personal as possible. Because, you know, the subject matter is stuff where I'm like, if this is gimmicky or or overthought, it's not. Then I'm sort of trying to like capitalize on grief or things I'm talking about.

Yeah. I want to go in and just be as open as possible and just get what we get and just try to, you know, tell the truth, which is, you know, it's the goal of country really. Right. And so yeah, we would, we would cut and then in the night after we'd cut, we'd sit and try to write the song for the next day.

It was an amazing process.

“We called it the pressure cooker because it was just like you better get something.”

Because you're on the clock. Yeah. Man, it was, it was, I don't, I doubt I'll ever do that again. But what a like cathartic, amazing process. Like there, because usually you'll write a song, you'll have a demo for it.

Something where you just sit down and play guitar into your phone or something. So you'll remember the melody, remember the chords. And you listen to it so much that you get sick of it before you ever even cut it.

And with this, there was never a demo.

There was never, it was straight from, you know, heart-brain tape. Like it was, it was pretty special. I think there's something to be said for pressure like that. What if force is you, if force is you come up with something? Yeah.

The pressure cooker man, we just, we had to, you know. Yeah. It was, it was amazing. Yeah, it just forces your synapses to fire. Yeah.

There's something to be said for that. Like there's, that's the thing about comedy too. When you, when you have a new bit, like part of the thing is like take that bit when it's not really done yet and just throw it out there in front of a crowd and find the beats. Find where it is.

And sometimes in front of a crowd, as you're saying it, you'll have a new idea. Like what the fuck is this? Like why are we doing, and then that'll be the biggest part of the joke. Like everybody will laugh if you order it that part, then anything else. And it just comes to you because you're under pressure.

Yeah. Yeah. There's something about forcing your brain to do things.

“Like forcing your, like, you just like, you, like, you have to do it.”

Like you can't just dilly dally, no procrastination. It's right there right now. Yeah. Let's go. Yeah.

I mean, because you're directly connected to whatever the thing. Yeah. Yeah. It's like a flow state. And then their stuff that just comes to be like John Melancham told me he wrote,

"Hurt so good in the shower." Okay. He's just in the shower. Come on, baby. You're making it hurt so good.

And he's like, it was done. Best shower ever. Crazy. Sometimes love. Don't feel like it's going to be done.

Why should it start? It was cool. It was an interesting guy to talk to. But fucking dude, just chain smokes. He's in his 70s, just chain smoking. Who's so happy he gets smoking here?

I don't know what you're not going to quit that ever. He's like, this is what he said. He goes, "Find something. We love and let it kill you." Yeah.

I don't know if I'll do that, that one kill me. That's a wrap. That's a rough death, man. Yeah.

“I'm, uh, I've dealt with smoking for some time.”

Yeah.

I always promised my wife that I quit when we had our kid.

And, uh, we're almost there. We're getting close. You got the nicotine pouch. I got the Zillos help. They do help.

Yeah. It's different. When I have a drink though, it's. Oh, yeah. It's like I can't do one without the other.

I'm, to quit smoking. I'm going to have to quit drinking. We're going to have to. Wow. I just can't imagine one without the other.

It's like a package deal for me. But I'm okay to quit drinking at some point. You've quit, right? Yeah. I quit and then started again.

Oh, really? Yeah. I'm back. Nice. I quit for like eight months.

I didn't miss it. But then when I had a couple glasses of wine with dinner, I was like, "Oh, I like this. This is nice." Yeah.

I kind of missed it. How was that first sort of hangover? I didn't get hungover. I haven't gotten drunk. I haven't gotten hungover since.

Nice. Uh, and I've only been drinking again. And even when I do, it's rare. Like, I don't drink every night. I go on stage.

I might have like a drink before I go on stage. Or I'll have a drink with dinner or maybe a second glass of wine. But that's it. I haven't been drunk. That's perfect.

Yeah. The getting drunk is the problem. Yeah. And the real problem with me was like, I was, I own this comedy club. And I was with my friends.

And they're all animals. And they're all just like, "Let's do shots." And we'd go downstairs to mitsies bar. And we'd be doing shots together. We'd have so much fucking fun.

And then I'd wake up in the morning to work out. Like, "Oh, fuck." Yeah. And I was just hurting. So I'd be guzzling water and electrolytes.

And I'd get in the coal plunge. And it was just this struggle to try to get back to normal. Yeah. And I'm like, I hate that. I don't like that.

Yeah. But I don't feel that with a glass of wine. I have a glass of wine or two. And I feel great the next day. It doesn't bother me at all.

As long as I drink enough water, take electrolytes. Get a good night's sleep. I feel totally normal in the morning. That's good. Getting drunk is the problem.

It is fun, though. It's the best. Getting drunk is so much fun. Getting drunk with buddies. Oh, the best.

It's the best. One of my favorite things is like going to a bar in the middle of the day. And meeting everyone at the bar and just drinking, you know, even if they're stranded or at the airport bar or whatever.

Just like getting to know people I would never have talked to.

Right. Because why would we talk? Right. I love that. But again, I'm 42 now.

And the hangovers are starting to really smart. You know.

It's not worth it when you get aware of your body.

“Especially if you're a person like, you know, I work out all the time.”

And I'm 58 now. So as you get older, it's like most people at 58 are half dead. They're kind of falling apart. Yeah. And I've managed to stay healthy and fit.

And I want to fuck that up just for booze. But, you know, like I said, it's hard when you're with buddies. And they want to do shots like Shane Gilles is the worst. He's the devil. He's the devil.

He's the devil. He's the devil. He's the devil. He's a c'mon. We're doing shots.

Fuck. How can you not get drunk with that guy? He's like the most fun ever. And you're having so much fun. When you're drinking with him, it is just like your face is red.

You can't breathe. Everyone's laughing. You're fucking crying. You're crying laughing. And it's just like you call each other the next day.

Like I feel. Oh my god, I'm dead. Like there's a lot of times where we went out drinking. We have a gym here. And, you know, we'd have these comedian workouts the next day.

And he'd be like, dude, I can't make it. I'm like, come on, pussy. You maybe drink last night. But he's just, he's the life of the fucking party, man. And it's just, it's fun.

But it's, it just, it comes out of cost. Yeah. That cost is rough, man. Especially with the kid now. And him being in his shoes.

It's just, I, nothing makes you feel like a bigger piece of shit. And being hung over in front of your baby. Right. And you're just like, sorry, dude. Right.

I'm sorry. Right. You kids want to play? You know what I'm just saying? Yeah.

It does. It's not all right. You can mitigate a lot of that stuff, though. Glutethione is a really good way to mitigate a lot of it. Glutethione actually helps your body process alcohol.

Week quicker. Hmm. So there's a lot of strategies if you're drunk. Glutethione. Glutethione around.

Yeah. Glutethione, high doses is really good. Electrolites are huge. Like a little, a lot of the hangover feeling. There's two things that are going on.

“One is, you're, that's why they say like, hair of the dog that bit you.”

Because you're actually creating more alcohol. That's why people like bloody marries the day after their, their hungover. That's not a great strategy. But it really does do a little something. But electrolites are huge.

Because another part of it is you're just dehydrated. Like, yeah, your brain is dried out to dried out sponge. Because you're out getting hammered the night before. Yeah. So you drink a lot of water.

Drink a lot of blood. A buddy of mine drank with the John Claude Van Dam once. And he said it was nuts. Because he's so disciplined. He said the dude had a gallon of water with him.

Like a jug of water. People take it in with him. Every shot he would take. He would fucking chug water. And he just was just super concerned with keeping his body hydrated.

While he was boozing. I do what you got to do, man. I was like, credit to him. Yeah. This way to go.

Because I never saw anybody do that before.

I'm like, wow, look at the guy. Yeah. Kind of makes sense. Yeah. You know?

That's like, have you interviewed him in here? No. No. That'd be a good one. That'd be fun.

He's kind of crazy. He keeps talking about having a fight and coming back and. Oh, damn. You're like 70. Yeah.

Don't do that. I think he's just a little nuts. He's also. He's famously indulged in the Colombian marching powder. Uh-huh.

“And I think, you know, sometimes guys get ideas.”

Sure. They're not really tenable. I think God, I never had the taste for that. I never even tried it. Have you never?

Nope. Definitely done it. But it's just, yeah. I have friends that they can't have a drink without wanting to go get a bag. And I'm like, oh, no.

And that, those guys have to get sober. Like, don't call AA sober. Like, 'cause they'll disappear. Well, they'll also die today. 'Cause they'll get a bad bag and it's kind of fentanyl in it.

You know? I don't get it. It's like five minutes of feeling good for like three days of feeling terrible. It doesn't pencil out for me. I got lucky.

That when I was a kid in high school, I had a friend and this cousin got addicted to coke. And I watched what happened to him. He was selling it to. And I watched him completely fall apart. It was like, it was like he had been haunted.

Like something had taken over his body with a parasite. He lost all his weight. He got super pale. He got real sketchy and weird. And he just hang out in his apartment.

And it was just watch TV and do coke all day. It was horrible. It was dark.

And I was always terrified of doing anything that would turn me into a loser.

That was my number one fear when I was a kid. I don't want to be a loser. Yeah. And so like, I'm like, okay, stay away from drugs. 'Cause that'll turn you into a loser.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. There's sort of gift in like having some ambition. Oh, yeah. Like wanting to be somebody.

Yeah. You know, they can come with, there's pros and cons of that. And the big pros is like, any time anything would get a little too dark. And I realized I was losing my grasp on like what I was after. You know, professionally or whatever.

I would of course correct pretty quick. Yeah. And if you don't have a thing, then it's just about whatever is fun. And what's fun is continuing to chase whatever high or whatever.

Yeah. That's rough.

“If you see a lot of people lose their life that way.”

I mean, they lose their direction. They lose everything. You know, just substances can be fun. But they can take over. Yeah.

And they could become your whole fucking life. Yeah. Yeah. Not good. Yeah.

I'm so happy I've ordered Coke. I've ordered, but I am interested. It's a good idea. I heard 200 Thompson. I'm not 100 Thompson.

100 Biden. Excuse me. Talk about smoking crack. He did this interview. He was talking about how amazing smoking crack.

I was like, wow. Maybe I could try once.

I don't think I've never heard anybody try it once though.

No, it's famous last words, man. Right. No one's done it once. I mean, everybody who tries it gets hooked. It seems like that's a problem.

Must be pretty awesome. It's got to be. It's got to be the best thing. And he said like, it's way better than cocaine. Like you said, like the guy who was interviewing him.

What's the guy's name again? Andrew Kellyanne. He, when he was interviewing him, he's like, what is the difference? And he explained like the delivery method. Like how it affects you.

It's so much different. Like the difference between like a Zen pouch and a cigarette. A cigarette hits you way different. Oh, it does. It's like instantly.

Yeah.

“Apparently that's what Coke's like smoking it.”

What was Richard prior to? He was essentially smoking crack. Didn't call it crack back then. They call it free basing. Right.

It's the same thing. Heroin too is another one. It's like those are the two big ones they tell you. You do this once. Yeah.

You're done. Your whole life so. Yeah. I want to imagine. Yeah.

I've known people that have tried heroin once. And they like, I can't do this again. It was too awesome. Yeah. Yeah.

I do that with like paying killers and stuff. You know, I've been prescribed and like, oh, yeah. I love it. I had to be Operation. I do that.

I've multiple knee operations.

But one of the first one I had was in the 90s.

And they gave me a morphine drip. And they gave you a button. And you could press the button to get more morphine when you needed it. Oh, my god. I hammered that button.

I was like, lying in this bed. And my knee had just been caught open like a fish. And there's screws in there. And my ACL had been reconstructed. And I was on this perpetual motion machine.

So the idea is to keep your knee from going stiff. You're on this thing that straightens your leg out and brings it back. It's straight. So I'm lying in this bed. My leg is bang.

And I'm hammering that button. I was so happy. I was like, I get it now. I get it. But that was only once, luckily.

And they didn't give me, they gave me some pain killers afterwards. I think they gave me percussive. But I took whatever the dose was. And it was, I only did it once. It was so bad.

I felt so dumb. So dull. And so stupid. I'd rather be in pain. So I sold all my pills to this dude at the pool hall.

I gave him my pills and my tears. You can buy these for me. One of my buddies was telling me he's in the military. And they would carry these morphine lollipops. Okay, see if we got shot.

And you just pulled out in the moment. You start sucking on it. You're just like a morphine high. And I was like, I kind of want to get those to fly with. Is it going to be awesome?

Like the planes going down? Just started sucking on that thing. Yeah, I just put on the headphones. Dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude. Don't know.

Dude, amazing dude. And it's on my fly over the ocean. I'm just like, I freak out. I don't like the, I don't like the, I don't like the, I don't like the. It's actually, no, I fent no lollipop.

Oh, so maybe that's what it was. I'm screaming, everyone knows they're going to die too. And you're stuck in this tube with a bunch of strangers. No, and they're going to die for five minutes. I mean, that is hell on earth to me.

Yeah, imagine anything worse. That's a rough one.

“I think getting eaten by a bear might be worse.”

Because there's no one around you. I wonder though, for the bear thing, if you're in so much shock. Like, are you feeling it? I, you know, I wonder more. Thank you so much.

Especially if they start legs first.

Yeah. Because the thing about bears is they don't kill you. They just start eating you. Oh, my God. Like a salmon.

They just pull chunks off of it. Yeah. Apparently that movie Grizzly Man. The audio was so bad that Werner Herzog told the lady to delete it and burn it.

Because they had a caught the lead. The guy's Timothy Treadwell, his girlfriend, his ex girlfriend, got a hold of the camera. So the camera, apparently the lens cover was on, but the camera was running.

Oh, right. Yeah, I've seen that. Yeah. It's like burn this. Don't let anyone listen.

Oh, would you listen? I've given the chance. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I tried to everywhere.

And then I'd hate myself for having this. There's a fake version of it online. I've heard that. Yeah, it's not real though. It's pretty obvious.

It's fake, but people believe it's real. But it goes on for five minutes.

Well, you think about around an MMA round.

It's five minutes. Oh, my God.

“And all that time, you're just getting chunks pulled out”

of your body. Bro, if you ever seen a grizzly while you're hunting. Yeah, once. Really? Yeah.

In Alberta. Yeah. It was very scary. It wasn't a big one. It was six foot bare.

But it looked at me so different than any other animal. Like, I've seen a lot of black bear. And black bear, look at you like this. Oh, yeah. What are you doing?

Right. Look at your sideways. And they're like, oh, I want to get out of here. Grizzly looks at you like this. Oh, like, locks on you.

Yeah. Like, am I going to eat you? And I was with my friend Jen. She's a guide up there. Jen and John, they run a hunting outfit up in Alberta.

And they, uh, as soon as, like, she saw it. She screamed. She screamed. Get the fuck out of here. Racks are shot on.

Cracks a stick against the, the, the tree to scare it off. And then we immediately bailed. They're like, let's get the fuck out of here. Yeah. I've never seen one.

They see big ones up there sometimes. And John, um, the, her husband. He sprayed, um, he was in a tree stand. And he sprayed it with, uh, pepper spray. And the thing didn't even react.

This is like, like, you think you're going to, oh, bear spray. I'm safe. And it was like, fuck you. Yeah. It's just like this fucking nine foot bear.

This, this huge wild dog.

You know, this he was fucking immense, super powerful thing.

They can run 45 miles an hour. Amen. Apex. Fuck that man. They're, they're terrifying.

Montana's got a ton of them. Yeah. That's one thing I didn't have in Ohio. It was like the fear of getting eaten by something when you're out in the woods. It's dark.

And you're walking through the first time that that Bohan, I was telling you about. I, you know, you bring a side arm when you all, all you have is a boat. In case you do see mountain line or something. Grizzly bear. And my buddy was like, what do you got on you?

And I was like, to nine millimeter. You go as well. If you see one shoot yourself. [laughter] Yeah.

You got to bring a 45. I guess there's a, there's a 10 millimeter with a special round. You can take, but yeah, nine millimeter bounce off. Yeah. I mean, you're going to hurt him.

I mean, you've hit him in the face.

Maybe he'll do something.

Well, you'd not even get through that skull probably. No, they say it won't. Oh. Literally bounce off its skull. That's crazy.

That's so crazy. Yeah. And to camp hunts them with a bow. Hunts Grizzly bear. Yeah.

Yeah. He's killed a few Grizzles. Wow. Yeah. Does he hunt out of a tree?

How do you do that? Oh, my ground. No, dude. Why? Spot and stalk.

Well, yeah. I'm good on that. Yeah, he's out of his fucking mind. And his attitudes. Well, if this is how I go, this is how I go.

I go, doing my love. I guess I got some crazy pictures. See we find some pictures of Cam with a Grizzly bear. That one, we killed this massive one. And he's holding up its paw.

And it's paw is like as big as my torso. It's fucking detached. It's fucking huge. There's such a some guy recently.

“I think he killed the biggest bear that's ever been killed.”

I sent it to Cam. Damn. Yeah. Look at that paw. It's a claws.

Look at the claws on that thing. No way. Yeah. And there's a photo of him with the bear on the ground. The size of that fucking thing, man.

You know what? State. He's hunting. That was in Alaska. That's the only state you can understand.

Let's say it's probably illegal. Yeah. It's illegal in the lower 48 for whatever reason. They probably shouldn't be in like Wyoming and Montana. It's gotten to the place where they really probably shouldn't.

Maybe there's just not enough of them. Other than in Alaska, I would imagine. I mean, I don't think so. I think the real problem is once they're not listed. It's very difficult to get them on on a list.

You know, to get tags allocated for them. There's a video of him shooting it. Damn. Look at the size of that fucking thing, man. I'm saying what if it's just right there?

It's pissed off. It can. Well, there's a guy right behind him with a gun. Does a guy right behind him with a rifle, which is also weird. Like any time you're bow hunting and a guy has to have a rifle.

Yeah.

“I think you should probably just use a rifle.”

Right. My perspective. Just wait a few months. Yeah. If I ever wanted to go grizzly hunting, I would definitely bring a rifle.

I just don't see myself doing that. But I know a lot of my friends have. You know, and they have, you have to kill a certain number of them just to keep the populations of the moose and the elk and the elk and the elk and check. Because otherwise there's nothing going to stop them.

And then you have a situation like like you have a Montana. Or like you have in Wyoming where there's a lot of interactions with people. People wind up dying. And there's no fear. Because in Alaska, they're a little sketched out about people because people hunt them.

And that's the better relationship. Right. The relationship where they have zero fear of people. That's not good. And that is Montana.

And that is Wyoming. And that is. I don't know. Look at that guy. So this is, is this the largest one?

1600.

It's a second biggest ever taken by a hundred.

It's 1600 pounds. Look at the fucking size of that thing. Dude. That's terrifying. Yeah.

Good lord. That is immense. Makes me think.

“Have you seen these reports of Bigfoot being seen in Ohio recently?”

Yeah. A bunch. I kind of think of someone fucking with people obviously. But maybe not. I don't know what they're seeing.

What are they seeing? There's their bears. There's bears in Ohio. There are. And their black bears in Ohio.

And they do walk up right sometimes. It's probably a witness to it. It's probably meth. Yeah. They've been driving to various sizes.

I've seen up to like 11 down the 8 feet. Yeah. But they're just guessing. You don't know how big a thing is. You have a fucking tape measure.

Excuse me. Mr. Bigfoot. 10 still for a moment here. Okay. Stand up straight.

Put this under your heel. Yeah. I used to wish so bad. Bigfoot was real. Oh, I wish so bad.

I want to do the show last night. It told me his dad was one of the people that filmed the famous Patterson. Oh yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. So this dad was that guy. I feel like we know now that it can't be real. Because of how many trail cameras are in the world.

Yeah. We would have seen him a few times at that.

I've never met a hunter that's seen one.

No. Including guys that are in the Pacific Northwest all the time. Although I did, I did a show back in the day with my friend Duncan. What we went looking for Bigfoot. We went to the places where Bigfoot's normally.

It's a person in the eye. A person is as much cost to obviously. I mean, no pictures please. I mean, if there's a whole bunch of them, it's probably someone fucking around. That gets all different sightings.

March 6, 7th and 9th and 10th. Wow. All different people. Yeah. Huh.

Boy, I hope it's real. It would be awesome.

“That's what I'd also be like, maybe it's just a group of friends that are high.”

I'm like, you know, we're going to do every night for the next five. Really. We're all going to call this fucking number and see what happens. Or we're going to run around the woods. But that's a good way to get shot.

Like some crazy dudes like, I'm going to prove Bigfoot's real. Oh, for sure. Yeah. He just fucking blast you. Don't do it during hunting season.

Yeah. Big mistake. I think it used to be a real thing. That's what I think. Bigfoot.

Yeah. You thought you think it was actually here at some point. Yeah. Yeah. Because there's too many Native American words for it.

Native Americans, I think we looked this up. Didn't they? They have dozens of names that different tribes have. The same thing. A big hairy wild man that lives in the woods.

I think it was a gigantopithecus. I think at one point in time, it was a real creature. It could sound any bones or anything. Yeah. The gigantopithecus bones.

They've only found them in Asia.

They never found them in North America.

But when the bearing land bridge was attached, a lot of animals came across from Asia. And made their way into North America through Alaska and down through the Pacific Northwest. It's, and a lot of people have seen them in Alaska. Alaska is like a hotbed for sightings too.

“I think, but I think those people are cracked out.”

I think that's probably bears. Right. But I think the Native American stories, I think it's a thousands and thousands of years old thing. I think we're back in the day. Like I was watching this.

This is guy named Michael Button. He's been on the podcast before. And he's a historian who's really focuses on ancient civilizations. And he was doing this whole video on YouTube about how little is left over. Like how rare it is to make a fossil.

I think about how the dinosaurs were around for literally like hundreds of millions of years. And yet, we only have like thousands of fossils. What are the, what's the possibility of a fossil existing? From a civilization like fossilized human being, from a civilization 200,000 years ago. It's almost none.

Most things never become a fossil. It has to be like the perfect conditions to create a fossil. And so we don't really know what animals did or didn't live here other than fossilized ones. And that's a tiny fraction of what you find. Okay.

And so if there was some sort of big hairy thing that lived here. Because we know there was humans that were living in North America. Now we know that they were here at least as far back as 22,000 years. Because of white sand's new Mexico, they found footprints. And then they do carbon testing on the seeds and the different organic matter.

It's in those footprints. They get a carbon data of like around 22,000 years. Which is pretty crazy because they used to think it was like 13,000 years ago. And now they've pushed that back at least in other nine years. And they think it's probably, these weren't the first.

There's probably people there even further than that. So if humans were here, let's say they were here 50,000 years ago.

Because I think the fossils that they found of Jankanto Pithicus are 100,000 years old.

Which is just fossils, right? Like you never know. And that, they didn't find that until the 1920s or 30s. They found teeth in an apothecary shop in China. And this guy was there, was an anthropologist.

Like what, where'd you get this? Because they were a primate teeth, but they were fucking huge. And so then they took them to the place and they found jaw bones and a few other pieces. And this thing, they've determined because of the shape of the jaw bone that it was bipedal. So it stood up on two legs and it was like 8 to 10 feet tall.

It was a giant primate that was in the orangutan species. Wow. So that could be bigfoot. That could be what these people saw. Absolutely.

So probably existed in North America at one point in time.

But around the time of the younger driest impact theory, which is 11,800 years ago,

somewhere around 65% of all North American megafauna was eliminated. All the bully mammoths, giant sloths, American lion. We had a lion that was bigger than the African lion that was in North America. That younger driest thing you're talking about. That's a comment hitting there. Yeah.

“Yeah. That's what ended the ice age and that's what created the Great Lakes.”

And that's what melted all the ice that was that covered most of North America back then during the ice age. And are a lot of scientists agreeing that that's probably what happened. Well, there's definitely debate. But there's a large group of legitimate scientists that are 100% convinced that we were hit. It's a matter of what impact did that have and was that response.

Because there's a berserker theory. The berserker theory is that humans just killed off everything. We got so good at hunting. But the problem with that theory is back then. There's not even evidence that they had bone arrow yet.

They wouldn't be that good at it.

No. No. Especially like the American lion and like mammoths and the giant sloths. And there's so much shit that we don't even know how many people were here back then. And it's this is like ice age people like with stone tip spears. Yeah.

Yeah. They killed these things. All of them. They killed all of them. Right. They weren't even riding horses.

They were just on foot. Like, oh, yeah. It's much more likely that they all were wiped out by this fucking comet. And if that's the case, maybe it wiped out Bigfoot too. Well, that's my favorite one out of all of the like me.

Bigfoot's the best one. It's just, it'll be a crazy thing to see. You know?

“Have you ever heard the recordings that these guys made that they said were Sasquatch recordings?”

No. I think they call them Samurai recordings because it literally sounds like almost like they're speaking Japanese. It sounds so fake. It sounds so fake. But these people are, there's groups of people out there that you'll tell them this is fake and they want to fight you.

Really? Oh, they're all in. They're so committed to Bigfoot. The guys that we met when Duncan and I went Bigfoot hunting, they're so possessed by it. Where's it going?

Where was the Pacific Northwest? Pacific Northwest. It was like, right outside of Seattle. Right there. I met this lady that was really convincing.

She said that she saw this thing. She's like, "Why is there a gorilla in the woods?" And she's like, "Oh my God, it's Bigfoot." And like, she didn't seem cookie at all. But I think what she saw was a bear and a bear stand.

Like, black bear stand up on their two legs and walk all the time. Because if they have a hurt paw, they'll walk on two legs. I think she probably saw it. But Pacific Northwest is so crazy because I'm sure you've been up there, right? Yeah.

The woods are so dense that it's like a box of cue tips. That's how I describe it. You can't hardly see anything.

“So if you're seeing some tall thing move between trees, just for a few steps, that might be the only thing you see.”

And your head just starts spinning. And you start creating this imaginary. Here's the recordings. Oh my God. Right there, right?

Thank you. So this guy's talking, "Oh my God, it's Bigfoot." It's so, so fake. I don't find that person. Not a second.

Yeah. Who, man, people, the Bigfoot dorks. Like that show finding Bigfoot. I had that dude. What's his name, Bobo?

That's the dude's name. We had him on. And I told him I thought the Patterson footage is bullshit. No. It looks so fake.

It looks like a guy in a fucking gorilla suit.

What does his name again?

I forgot the guy's name. But the dude who they think was wearing the suit, he looked like Bigfoot. Like he walked like him. Yeah, he walked like that footage. Yeah, yeah.

He walked like a fucking tall ass cowboy. And he had a walk, like a fucking gorilla. Roger Patterson.

“Well, Roger Patterson was a guy that filmed it, right?”

I thought one of them was the one in the suit, and the other one filmed it. Who am I mistaken? But there's a side by side of the actual stupid video that they're proclaiming to be Bigfoot. And then this guy walking.

And I think it was a different guy. Yeah, it could be. I forget his name. But it looks like that's him. Have you ever had a flat earth around here?

No. That's sort of. I've had some people that want to dabble in it. Like shut the fuck up. That's the craziest one.

I don't want to have that conversation with people. And people, you know, because you lose. Because the earth is, listen, everything else is round. Why would this place be flat? Yeah.

We can see all the ones that we're lying. That's crazy. Why would the people that get up in the fucking the space station be lying? I know it's circles.

We've seen spins around. Yeah. We have pictures. Yeah. Yeah.

We have satellites.

“They think all the satellite images are earth or fake.”

They think everything is fake. I think a lot of that gets a friendly. Sure. And then a lot of it is like somehow another it's biblical. It's people believe that we're trying to hide it from us.

Because they don't want us to know that God is real. Oh, like the firmament and all the stuff that the Bible says is above us. Yeah, but you know what the Bible doesn't say? It doesn't say the earth is flat. Right.

Never.

Never talks about it being flat.

They figured out the earth was round thousands of years ago. Like snipers have to calculate the curvature of the earth. Right. When they're making shots. Yeah.

There's too many things against it. Like the fact that we've seen it is the biggest one. We know exactly what it looks like. I had Roger Avery on the other day. The director is really interesting guy.

And he went down a bunch of maybe too many flat earth rabbit holes. And he was like, we know pilots don't have to adjust for the curve of the earth. And then I talked to a friend of mine as a pilot. He goes, you know why? Auto pilot.

He was the fucking it keeps you at an altitude. Like it makes sense. Could you always, you know, do the same. Yeah. Distance from the earth.

So that would make sense that you would go on the curve. Yeah. Fucking dirt. It's just that being something that people would. What's really interesting is there's this one guy who takes people up to Antarctica

to prove to them that the earth is round. And like this idea that there's a, so he takes, and there's one guy. And he flew him out there. So I can't believe I believe this. It's amazing.

He spends money. Edgicky spends his own money taking these guys up there for free. Educating. How does he prove it from up there? Just flies them up there and shows them.

You actually can fly over in an article. Like there's, you just don't, they don't want you flying over there. Because if you crash, no one's going to come get you. Right. You know, you're dead.

Right. But people do fly over it. The idea that you can't a stupid. There's no secret. There's no.

There's no wall there. They're probably doing some weird experiments and shit up there though. I do think that's true. Like there's, there's some people that have some pretty convincing stories of. Direct energy weapons and things that they're developing up there.

And there's a neutrino detector that they have up there that a lot of people think does a lot more than that. And they think it might actually be able to cause earthquakes and affect the weather. It's a, it's a weird rabbit hole to go down. Sure.

But I'm sure the government's doing some slippery shit that we don't know about up there. Yeah. And it's so weird like in this time that we have all the information or like nobody trust the government anymore.

Has it always been like that?

Like it has been a little bit that nobody trust the government. But now there's reason to not trust them. Because we've seen what they've done with real events. Like like the obscene files and a lot of other stuff. Or you're like, okay, it's JFK.

Where you're like, why don't you just book and tell us what you know. And the interest of national security. Some things must be redacted. Right. Like there's a reason to not trust them.

Yeah, I get growing up. You see like older guys. They didn't trust the government. The world's going to shit. All this stuff.

And I'm like, am I just getting old? Or is this happening to everyone? Are we all doing this now?

“I think as you get older, you also take in enough information that you know that they're not being straight with you about anything.”

Right. I mean, this has always been my argument about the moon landing. Like you think that they're going to not lie about this one thing. When they've lied about everything else, including how we got into Vietnam, Kennedy's assassination, fill in the blanks.

Everything in the 1960s they lied about. Sure. Because they could. There's no exactly. They controlled all the information.

Yeah. But that's what's interesting about today.

Because we have more access to information.

So there's more reason to not trust them. Yeah. You know, it's like it's a squirrely time. Right. Yeah.

That's why I like living in Montana. And it all goes down. I'll be way far away. Have you ever seen anything in the sky? Do you see, like, what the fuck is that?

Um, I've seen anything weird. Nothing crazy. No. When we did decide to move there, my wife and I had taken a little bit of mushrooms and the sky put on a little performance force.

“So that was part of the, like I think we're supposed to move here.”

Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah, it was, you know, and it was a little induced. But yeah, it was, and we both saw it. And we were with people who didn't see it. That were also on mushrooms.

Interesting.

So it was a show just for you guys.

It's what it felt like. Yeah. And we both were like, are you, we were making sure it was the same thing in our friends. Like, what are you talking about? Did they take the same dose?

Yeah. Yeah. So I think that was like, we weren't supposed to go there. That's right. Yeah.

We felt very spiritually connected to it after that. It's a good place to be spiritually connected to. It feels like you're supposed to be spiritually connected to it. Because it's one of the last places, like Wyoming's like that as well. It's one of the last places where it's not tainted.

Even though there's cities there, it's settled. It's like it's so much more wild than it is tame that you still get this feeling of like humble. You get humbled by just the vast spectacular nature of it. Yeah. It's almost like we feel like nature is the novelty these days.

And it's like, no, man, that everything that we messed up and put a bunch of concrete on should be the novelty. The nature is the actual thing. That's the way we're supposed to be. You know, we've all kind of like flipped that in our head. And obviously, I have the luxury to be able to live out in a place like that.

But the more I live there, the more I feel like. This is how I was meant to live, you know, me personally. I can't talk for anyone else, but I'm just in a way better place mentally and otherwise. Yeah, there's this guy who lives in the Arctic, like above the Arctic Circle or near the Arctic Circle. He, they filmed him this vice documentary called Heimmo's Great Adventure.

And this guy's been living there since like the 1970s. He moved up there and he's got a log cabin. And he just lives up there. All he does is hunts Caribou and goes fishing. And he's really smart guy.

And this, like, nerdy reporter replaces goes up and hangs out with this guy for a few days. And, you know, the guy was really, like, really compelling in the way he was described. Like, I think this is how people are supposed to live. Like, I'm so much more calm and at peace. It seems natural and normal.

Like, this is how you're supposed to live. And all he does is just, like, hunt and fish. And he gets, like, some supplies dropped off to him. Like, you know, canned goods and shit, baking soda, whatever.

“But most of his life is just living off of the land.”

The proofs in the pudding, man. When I'm, when I'm in a city for a long time and I'm on my phone. I'm looking at Instagram and all that stuff. It takes a week before I feel insane. Like, completely crazy.

And if I just put that stuff away and go outside, even in a city. Like, if I just put that stuff down for a little bit and go out. And connect with the person. I feel, you know, infinitely better.

Yeah. And if you just look at, you know, the stuff on your phone. And you're so sucked into that. You would believe this, this, this, the world is a shitty place. Mm-hmm.

But then if you don't look at that and you go outside and you live your real life. It doesn't take long with everything. It feels good again. Yeah. Like, you have hope again.

You know, you're, you're, you're, you're meeting your neighbors or going to the grocery store or going to the post office. Like, everything feels pretty good out there. It's just your phone telling you this place is terrible. Yeah.

That's the, this is the big bridge to crazy. Much more than cities is these fucking things. Oh yeah. The bridge to crazy.

“And like, that's what AI is learning from.”

Mm-hmm. It's only learning from all this terrible information we're putting online. So. And it's accelerated. It can't learn from the real world.

Right. It can't go to the grocery store and see that everyone's actually pretty good for the most part. Right. 99% of what you do out in your real life is fine. Right.

Right. You know, but it's only going to see the worst of all of us. And then, and then show us that, even more, show that back to us. Because that's all it knows. Right.

It's really scary to me, man. It is scary.

And it's never going to really appreciate a great song.

It's never going to really appreciate art. It's not going to appreciate love or community or friendship or any of those things. No. It's not going to appreciate the feeling that you have. You can just call your neighbor up and go over his house and shoot 500 yards

and in his backyard. You know what I mean? It's not going to get that. It's not going to get how cool that is that guy's 70 years old. He hits a deer.

He's like, "Fuck at this 70 years old. He's a 70 years old.

You're supposed to be dead as fuck." No, man. He's amazing. He looks like John Wayne. Yeah.

He's crazy. I knew we can appreciate that. Yeah.

“That fucking AI doesn't give a shit about that.”

They're going to get off the motorcycle. You shouldn't be on the motorcycle, Dave. Yeah. You do talking about music. It can't make good songs though.

I've heard you play someone here and my friends will just, you know, whatever apps they have.

I don't really know all the new apps, but they'll just give it a prompt and the song is incredible.

Yeah. Does it in 10 seconds? It's spooky. It's really weird. But it's only doing it derivatively.

It's only taking the songs that other people have written and just making sort of a conglomeration of them, spit it out or it's redoing like an old hip-hop song in a blue style or something like that. Unfortunately, that's 99% of what humans do, too. Right. It's all derivative anyway.

I know. But at least it's a person. Yeah. Like something to me about. Even if it's derivative, if it's good, if it's catchy, at least I know a dude and his friends did that.

Yeah. Yeah. And you can get behind a person as an artist. Yeah. Like their stuff until they aren't underground anymore. Yeah.

Yeah. That's the silly. That is so silly, isn't it? Like if you really start to take off someone's going to eventually go fuck that guy. New that guy when he's just fucking just starting out.

He's pretty good. Yeah. The songs were good. And then he made it. It's going to be controversial.

But the first cold play album is still amazing.

You know, but they got so huge that my hate's cold play now. And you're like, but they are really good. I like cold play. I don't do it. But like, because they can't do cold play.

Because they're doing stadiums and your mom likes them now.

“I think that was one of the things that people didn't like about Nickelback.”

Because Nickelback was almost like the first AI. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like that rock star song that was like that was like an AI version of like a lot of like, like cypress hill had a rock star song.

It was like, but cypress hills sounds so much more general. Like genuine. Whereas the Nickelback one is like almost like these guys are just too AI. So what is the beginning of sort of like auto tune? Mm-hmm.

All that stuff. But auto really good auto tune that you couldn't tell. Not like the auto tune that's in rapper you know. They're auto tune purpose. Right.

It was like everything's still perfect. Mm-hmm. And it almost doesn't sound like humans playing music. Right. And the subject matter is like I've heard all this stuff before.

Yeah. That's the problem. Right down the middle. Yep. Yeah.

It was AI.

Nickelback was the first AI music.

I don't know. People are weird with their taste.

“And they want you to like what they like.”

That's what's really weird. Like you have to like what they like. Yeah. Other get mad at you. Yeah.

For sure. What are you going to do? Well listen man. I really enjoy talking to you. It's life fun.

Thanks for having me. I love your fucking show. I can't wait to watch Marshalls because I love you. Um, you all stole. It's fucking great show.

I'm really bummed out that you watched it now though. Yeah. That sucks. Yeah. It was rough.

I didn't. I love Kelsey and we love working together. But you know, ultimately you don't want to just sit and watch a guy be happy. That wouldn't be a very good show. You know, you need you needed a motor.

I guess that a cool relationship though. I know. But he had his dream life and they were happy together. So you can't watch that for 50 hours or however long this ends up going. Well, he knows how to mix it up.

I'll tell you that. I do know Taylor knows how to fucking throw a monkey wrench into things and make it crazy. Absolutely. They get interesting. So I can't wait to watch it.

Thanks very much. Thank you. Thanks for being here. All right. Bye everybody.