#2476 - Shanna H. Swan

The Joe, Rogan, experience.

[MUSIC] Great to see you again. [MUSIC] Happy to have you here. So you've got a documentary about the essentially about the same subject that you talked about last time you're here, the impact of microplastics and all these various endocrine disrupting chemicals.

That we're dealing with. Right. Right. Tell me about it. Well, it's started as a movie on plastic.

And when I met Louis and he filled me in New York about five years ago also, it wasn't the small study that we have today.

But let me backtrack because I want to tell you something that I never told you, but so important to me.

“So you remember when I was here, you said, are you saying the toxins in the environment are threatening the survival of the human race?”

Right. And I said, that's my story and I'm sticking to it. Yes. Yes. And then you said something which changed my life.

You said, why don't people know about this? Remember that? Yes.

“I went home and I thought a lot about that question.”

And that was what led me to create the program that I have now action science initiative, which is doing short, impactful, relatively cheap interventions to alert people to the problem and communicating this in a way that I'm hoping will reach more people than academia where I was speaking before. Because before I talked to you, I talked to my peers in academia and the ivory tower, you know, at the meetings where they all went. They read the papers that we all read, but the general public didn't get this.

So you really have to tell you thank you and you were actually very influential in my life. Well, I'm very happy to help. When I first heard about your book and I started going over the details of it in the subject matter, I was shocked. I couldn't imagine that something like this could not just have happened, but there's no large scale effort to reverse course or to change course or to do something about it. But at least to make people aware of the impact the plastics are having on us.

Let me tell you a story about a friend of mine. There's a guy named Philip Franklin Lee who is a Michelin star chef that lives in Austin. And he has this amazing sushi restaurant, sushi by scratch and great chef.

Anyway, he was experiencing fatigue, like always tired, got his hormones tested, extremely low testosterone.

But then got his microplastics tested and they were off the charts. Did a series of interventions to try to clean his body out from that, stopped drinking anything out of plastic, stopped using plastic, just by whatever he did. Not sure if he did the plasma-freeces thing that I just did recently, his testosterone went up to 1200. With no testosterone replacement, no nothing. Just eliminating microplastics from his life over a period of time raises testosterone.

So that's fantastic and it's what we are seeing in the film and so on.

“I wanted to just make a small point which is microplastics and plastics and plastic sizes are not identical, right?”

So microplastics are relatively newcomer to the scene because we've had plastics since 1950, right? Microplastics have been there but not recognized until relatively recently. And actually measuring them in our bodies is much harder than measuring the plasticizers, which are the chemicals that are put in plastic, to give them the various properties that they have. Alex is one, Bismillah is another and so on. And by the way, well we'll come back to that later. So yes, we can measure those but measuring microplastics in particularly if we're going to go into your brain or into your testicles into a woman's placenta, obviously that's much more difficult.

So they do double damage because they carry the chemical harms and they also physically enter the cells, right?

So remember I'm sure as best as you know about, you know, and silicosis and these were other examples of particles that went into the body and conveyed both chemical harm and physical harm like inflammation and so on. So they're all bad but they're not identical. And what we studied in the plastic detox, which is the film, that was we did not study any microplastics, we studied the plasticizers.

“So you probably remember I think I told you last time, well, why should you remember anyway, they're they're water soluble and so they remember that, you know, so they go into your urine and and then they're pretty easy to measure.”

So I'm going to give this to you. This is a kit open up. I don't tell you. Okay, learn what's inside, it looks like you pee in that, okay. That's right, keep going. It's more tough than that, okay.

Something to send it back. Right. And then this six like biohazard bags to put your pee in.

He doesn't kill anybody and this is, it's got a QR code on it, say hello to a healthier you.

So those are ways to find out ways to lower your exposure. Okay. Yeah. I know a lot of people get these harmful chemicals from drinking coffee hot liquids out of paper cups. Yeah, from the paper cups that are lined with, for example, bisphenols, but the coffee itself is made in a

most coffee makers contain a lot of plastic. Awesome. So it comes in both the cups and in the device that's making coffee. That's good. That's good.

I do that at home too.

I got rid of my plastic coffee machine.

Me too. Me too. That was thinking about. It was like, why am I pouring hot water and this plastic thing? Yeah.

I can't be good. Yeah, it doesn't taste as good. Good learning, you're learning. Fresh taste better anyway. So here's my suggestion.

If you're willing to do this, I am willing to do this. You are. Good. Cool. So not hard.

Okay. Be in the cup, send her in. Then my colleague, Genoa and her team will analyze it for not everything in the world. But the bisphenols, the thalates and the parabens. Okay.

They're going to be adding pesticides soon and that would be great to have that as well.

“Then if you want to go to phase two, I can, I have some things here that you could swap in your kitchen.”

And you could go to that QR code and find out other things that you could reduce. And then if you wanted to, we could send you another kit and you could see if your levels changed. Okay. I would love to do that. Yeah.

What is phase two? A phase two would mail you back another kit. You take your urine again and that's it. And so that's to see if it's changed because of lifestyle changes. That's right.

That's right. So you would be doing what the couples in part of what the couples in the intervention did. The couples in the intervention also were infernal. And so we're not going to touch your fertility question, but they also, the men collected sperm. And you can do that if you want, but I don't think you, you know, you may not want to talk about that on your phone.

“But that's what we did in the intervention.”

So in the intervention we found, I'll just, this is what the intervention was. There's a company called fellow, which is growing out of UCSF. And they're very big now. I think they have like 200,000 men in their files who have had their seem and tested. Okay.

And at the time they have their seem and tested, their asked, could we re-contact you for research? That's one important question. And they're asked, why did you want your sperm tested? And if they say, because we're infernal or subhernal or we're worrying about our fertility, we ask, or they ask, how long has it been that you've been having this problem with fertility?

So if they said they would agree to be re-contacted and they were infernal, they were potentially eligible for this intervention.

You with me? Got it.

“So actually finding the couples that are in the film was a long process.”

They had to, of course, agree to be film. They had to have, what we call, terrible word, idiopathic infertility, no known causes. So they, and they couldn't be obese. They couldn't be smokers. They couldn't have a diagnosis, a medical diagnosis that explains.

We don't want it to be unexplained. So we went out down to what was six couples, one of them dropped out for personal reasons. So I won't go into that. But that's how we got those couples. They had to be couples, by the way.

And they had to be staying together for the next three months and not doing IVF. Okay? So that was a setup.

And then the company called Million Marker that you're going to send your P2.

They have an education program. And that's a lot of what they do, the testing and the education. And so all of those couples, you know, they talked to them and said,

“"Tell me about what you put on your face this morning.”

Tell me what you watch to close with. Tell me what you clean your counters with and on and on and on." Like that, right? So they took an inventory of what the couples were doing. And then they started this educational program, which they're very good at doing for a while.

Once a week, they talked to them. So how's it going? Have you changed this? What are you using now and so on? So it was not just a one time thing.

And if you were doing this, it would be short, you know, just like use these things. But along with that, we sent them the fellow kids to collect their ceiling. Okay? So we have the beginning, middle and end. It was three months, so beginning six weeks, 12 weeks.

And, you know, why three months? Why? It takes 70 days to make a sperm. So we wanted to have a turnover within that course of the intervention. So we sent them a kit and they collected their cement at home, which is nice for guys,

because they don't have to go into lab and do it there. You know, it's much better at home, right? Yeah. And they've figured out how to get all the parameters right, even though it's mailed. And yeah, so the couples did that.

So we had over time. Levels in their body of the chemicals, seam and quality. What they were doing, what they changed in their life, because we had this record of everything that changed.

And then finally, we saw who got pregnant.

And I hope your listeners will watch the plastic detox. It's a movie that a lot of people love and find, you know, really moving. And you should say, much. To ask you about the coffee question, when you go to a place like, let's just say Starbucks,

“not the single them out, but are they using plastic with their coffee machines?”

So they're coffee machines made with plastic? I don't, I don't know about any particular place except my kitchen. That was just a question. Yeah, I suspect that they are using plastic. Right.

So if people stop at a place like that on a regular basis on the way to work in the morning to get coffee, then they use, they bring their own plastic or excuse me, they're bringing their own stainless steel, thermos or mug that would eliminate some of it, but perhaps-- One source, yeah. Yeah, but perhaps they're getting it actually from the coffee machine itself.

Yes, yes, yes, yes. Yes, yes. When you see the big industrial machines, they slide those filters in. Those filters are plastic. Yeah.

Well, they're probably, they probably have bisphenol in them. Right, it's a plastic tray, it seems like I don't know. Yeah. But then there's paper filter in the plastic tray. Right.

So you're getting it, no matter what. And if they use those pods, you know. Yeah. That home Bruno, one of our guys in the film, wonderful guy. He was kind of addicted to his coffee machine.

Right. And we said Bruno, we want you to stop using those pods. No, I don't want to stop myself, but he did. He did. And they've had two babies.

Yeah. Now, I'm not saying that's the reason. But, you know, it's a contribution, probably. Well, there is certainly an issue.

and his testosterone levels.

“And so this is probably the case with so many Americans in this country that are dealing with”

infertility issues. A big part of it is probably these plastic sizes. Yeah. Yeah. Plasticizers.

All these various chemicals that are endocrine disruptors that are ubiquitous in the modern world. Yes, unfortunately. That's great. By the way, not the women. Let me share something.

You wouldn't talk about the women last time. Right. A little bit, we did. Yeah. I think we did.

So the women need testosterone too.

Mm-hmm. You know, for sexual arousal and libido. And so on. And muscle.

“And we, in our study, study for future families, I think, or maybe, yeah.”

We asked, we got the urine. We saw what they, you know, how much palliates were in their urine. And then we asked them some questions about their sexual experience. So how satisfied were their sexual life? And frequency?

And the women who had higher levels of salads were had less satisfaction and lower frequency. So it's not just the men. Completely makes sense. Everyone needs testosterone. Yeah.

My wife's friend got on testosterone.

She's, I guess she's about 50.

She got on testosterone because of her doctor put her on some low level of cream or something. And her response was, like, it makes me horny like a bloke. She's English. Yeah. [LAUGHTER]

A very funny thing that she said that way. Did she think that was a good thing? Yeah. She enjoyed it. Yeah.

But apparently, allegedly, I didn't speak directly. But I think that's what she was saying. Like, whoa, you know, just whoa. Yeah. Well, I mean, the thing that came out of your, um, the episode that we did, um, that shocked

me the most is how little this is discussed in the mainstream. And I had not known until you brought it up. Until you became a guest on the show until I started researching it, I was stunned. I couldn't believe that this was something that was so common. And so, so one of the things that comes up all the time is infertility with couples that

are trying and they're using IVF and it's more common now than ever before. And there's been a lot of things that people, a lot of factors. People have attributed to that reason. A lot of them being older people that are, you know, they put their careers aside. And they're 30s.

They decided now it's time to have kids. They're worried that it's too late. Um, but listening to you talk about it, it seems like that's only one part of the, the issue. And not the big part. The big part seems to be that we're being poisoned.

And we're doing it by virtue of our modern world that we live in where so much of your life relies on plastic. And it's very difficult for people that are so set in their ways they have routines. They don't really understand like what, what can I do to eliminate this stuff from my life? Just having the conversation and understanding that these things are having an impact is great.

But the steps that people need to take in order to eliminate these things from their life.

“I think that's what's really important to get out there now.”

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Non-stick cookware. That stuff has. Is that different? Yeah.

“When you have non-stick cookware, does that have any endocrine disrupting chemicals as well?”

Different ones. Different ones, which ones are those? So those are what's called the PFAS chemicals. Mm-hmm. And it's in actually not just cookware.

It's anything that puts a barrier between two medium, if you will, like a rain jacket. We'll put a barrier between the rain and your skin. Right. And also stain, resistant, barrier with the stain. And it's very, very prevalent.

I mean, it's all, you know, it's enclosing. I've heard it's in a lot of yoga tights and things along the lawns. Yes. Workout clothes. That's so crazy.

You think you'd be in healthy and you're exposing yourself to endocrine disrupting chemicals.

And uniforms, there's a book. I should probably shouldn't recommend another book, but I think it's a good book. Just say, it's called to die for D.Y.E. and it's about the flight attendance uniforms and the harms that they do because they have a lot of PFAS because they, you know, have to keep clean in them.

And they've got, they're not clean, right? Because those PFAS in them, it's in sports uniforms. You can do sports, all the sports uniforms. Nylon. Yeah.

Is anything with nylon? Is that what it is? Totally, but I'm not sure. I'm not, you know, I could refer you to somebody but I'm not the clothing expert. But I know that they're in these things.

And one of the things that is kind of scary is school uniforms. You know, a lot of kids have school uniforms and they're loaded with it. Oh. Yeah. Yeah.

My kids used to wear uniform every day.

Yeah. When you say to die for our dies in cotton clothes, also releasing really. Yes. Does your dies are very risky? We've got to go back to be an homage.

Yeah. Here it is. Fireland from the water. Oh, good. Yeah.

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Wow. And that's in the film. Yeah. A little bit. Not the major, but it's.

So blue jeans. Probably. Probably. I can't, you know, speak about it. There is a river.

“I believe it's in China where a series of blue jeans factories exist.”

Where the entire river is blue. It's so disgusting. Like not blue, like beautifully water. Blue, like die. Like don't look at this.

Look at that. Oh. That's the blue gene capital of the world. Wow. That's where they make a lot of blue jeans and look at the stinky dirty, disgusting blue

die water that is just that river leaking out into the ocean, which also looks polluted. You want cheap clothes, kids? This is what happens. And so crazy.

Look at that stuff. I mean, how many jeans are they making? And what are the, you know? And this is a good point for me to point out that these things are affecting animals. Of course.

Like the animals. Especially in this suit. Look at this. African rivers as well. Yeah.

Sure. Of course we do it in other places. If you did in America, people would be aware. Canada. Canada.

Canada too. I'm not sure they'll be aware. You don't think so? Yeah. We're trying.

We're trying. We're trying to get them more.

“I mean, that's what we're doing right now, right?”

All right. All right. So to go back to that point you raised about, you know, reasons that people give for low testosterone or low fertility, low sperm count. And particularly this comes up for fertility.

A couple more couples are, you know, the fertility is in the toilet, right? Yes. That's weird thing to say about it. Yeah. For lack of a better.

Yeah. And I mean, it used to be five children per couple on the average of 1960. And now it's in South Korea, it's like zero point eight eight. Wow. That's the worst, you know.

Why is South Korea the worst? I don't know. I mean, all of these ages very, very long. South Korea's their replacement numbers are so low. That's right.

They're in danger of complete population collapse. Absolutely.

“And Japan is getting there and, you know, all of that Southeast Asia.”

And so when there's a lot of articles about this lot of editorial, a lot of articles and they make me so, Joe, they make me so mad. Because they say correctly that having a child at older age will do this to some extent. You know, not wanting to have children as many children will do this to some extent.

But they never mention toxic.

They just, and so I've written editorials saying, hey, guys, we're not alone on this planet. And we're not the only species that's declining in number. And then if you look at the curve of the number of species that are declining and the rate of decline of human fertility, the probability that they're parallel. It's all about 1% per year.

And so they're, and we know they're exposed to these other species. You showed it. They're those fish in that water or exposed and, you know, animals on the periphery. So I would love for everybody when they look at these numbers of declining fertility. Consider that it's not all choice.

Right. Animals are not choosing to have their children later. They should delay child bearing, right? They have big careers.

People are trying to make damage.

They don't have time for children. Right. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah.

So for me, you know, it's not, those are good, those are explanations for sure. Obviously, when you get older, your fertility is less. Obviously, if you have a busy life and you don't have time to have children, you shouldn't have children. But the toxic matter, they matter a lot. 100%.

Yeah. And the animals is the issue exposure to water that has these chemicals in it because of pollution. But what is, what is causing it with that? Well, it's in the water. It's in the soil.

It's in the, what they eat because it comes in, you know, in the plants. It gets into the plants. Yeah. Do you know that phallates, I'm just, this is a little, a fun fact, phallates are put in pesticides. Why would they do that?

Well, they, because one of the things that phallates do is they increase absorption. That's why they're in hand cream. Right? You see, you put your hand cream on, it goes in your skin. Right?

Phallates help that.

“You have the pesticide you wanted to go into the plant?”

Phallates help that. So, you know, there, this exposures are all over the place. And animals are getting them to a long time ago. I don't think we talked about this, but there was a wonderful scientist who's not living anymore. His name is Lou Gillette, he lived in Florida.

And he showed that alligators swimming in a lake that had a lot of runoff of pesticides. Get this, their penis is a little small. He measured them. And he was like, he was a big guy, he went, he had to do it at night. He went at night, wrestled them into the boat.

And I have pictures of that. Took him to his lab. Measure their penises. Measure their penises. There must have been very confused when they got like, "Go, what is this guy kick you with?

What is his thing?" You know, and they had fewer eggs. Right. So, they were declining species.

“That's just a very dramatic example of, you know, if you, can you put up penis size and alligator penis size?”

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So it's all endocrine disruptors from pollution. Oh boy.

“You would think that this would sound the alarm.”

And this is not new. He's dead. This is old work. Oh. And no one knows.

It's never just in first of all.

It's not a lot of people that say, first problem on my list today, alligator penis access. It's a real issue. Like you're in front of Congress. We got to talk, alligator penis sizes are shrinkage.

They kick you out of the door. Actually, he flew to let went to Congress. And he gave talk. And he said, every man in this room is half the man. His grandfather was.

Mm. As far as testosterone levels, right? And penis. Well, he didn't measure the penis. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, it completely makes sense. But what doesn't make sense is how little attention that's being paid. You would think that in a society that is, I mean, America is also facing a potential population collapse. People don't think about that, but our reproduction numbers.

We're not reprodu-- yeah, they're down quite a bit. And they're not at the level that we need in order to keep our population.

“It's the, you know, the normal shape of the populations like this, right?”

Mm-hmm. So this is up here, not very many people. And down here, lots and lots of people. And this is terms of age older, younger, bond of this. Right.

Lots of people are living longer, but few are down here. And then what that means is the ones down here are supposed to support the ones up here. But there's not enough of them. Right. Yeah.

So it's a huge societal problem. Well, it's just so confusing how few people are even aware of this. We were talking-- I didn't realize it had been five years since our last podcast, which is pretty crazy. But in that five years, you barely hear about it. It's occasional.

People bring up certain chemicals that think are bad. Oh, avoid this. Paul Saladino is the one that showed that the paper cups that you get from a coffee shop. That if you take that paper away, what you have is essentially this plastic membrane. And that's what you're drinking.

You're coffee out of paper. And how terrible these things are for you. Yeah. But even that, it's like people just dismiss it.

The line around Starbucks is always the same.

It's always people going to get the coffee. They don't think anything of it. And they're just consuming these chemicals that mess up your health. Mess up your vitality, your energy levels, everything. Brain fog.

Who's responsibility, is it?

“Well, to talk about it, I think it's ours.”

It's certainly yours and mine. And we'll spread this word and more people discuss it. And I think more people need to be aware that this directly impacts you. Like, this is not like in the future. I don't have to think about it.

I'll be dead. No, it's directly impacts your health, your energy levels, your vitality. Right now, as a living human being listening to this show. So just add to that, how it affects you, not you. Humans.

Maybe levels are lower. I don't know what it will find out. But both men and women who have lower fertility on average. These are studies that have been about four or five studies that have shown this. Lower fertility and sperm count on the male side.

Younger. Younger. Okay? This should be of concern to everybody. Yeah.

What makes sense? You have less vitality. Yes. Yes. In the same state effect, your sperm, your vitality, your testosterone, are also affecting.

It's a, it's a canary in the coal mine, if you will, of lots of things that are going south. Right. At the same time. Which completely makes sense. In the case of my friend Philip, all this fatigue, all these issues that he is experiencing.

Right. Yeah.

It's not just one, never just one thing.

Right. It's, uh, it is quite disturbing how uncommon these discussions are though. That's what's crazy. You know, that this is a, this should be a huge factor. I mean, we get concerned with so many loaders.

People concerned with alcohol consumption. And it's a big thing like in that has had an impact. Children today or young adults, I should say, today are consuming much less alcohol than people in the past. cigarettes smoking. We're aware.

Very dangerous. Much less cigarettes smoking than in the past. The consumption of these endocrine disrupting chemicals is essentially the same as when we talk five years ago. So I want to go back to this question. So I don't think it's, I mean, it's great for you and I to be concerned and for your listeners to be concerned.

Pretty good control of, you know, safety of drugs.

Yeah. Pretty good. Yeah. Okay.

“But compared to chemicals in our daily products that products we use every day, it's fantastic.”

Because the regulatory agencies are not doing the job. Right. Okay. And so that's why it's all out there. I'm going to do the job here in Europe.

It's much better, by the way. Is it? Yeah.

Mods bad because they're going to beat us.

We'll go away. We have to get people angry. Yes. To put pressure on, you know, there's a bill that TASCA talks exceptions as control act, which should be doing a lot of this. And I think it's coming up for revision and, you know, maybe people can pay attention to that and read about it.

And, you know, think government should be doing this. It's not our job. Mm-hmm. It's not our job to worry about what's in our pants and what's in our this and/or this and/or this. Right.

You were asked, what kind of what's in the, you know, denim and/or should we have to read up on that? Is there are, are there dies for jeans and clothes that are not toxic?

Yes, but as I said, this is not my area.

“Yeah, you gotta get, I can give you a name if you want to get somebody on clothing and, you know, on this.”

Yeah, I'd be happy too. Yeah, yeah. But just because it was relatively new to my consciousness when I was, you know, doing the film and before that, we didn't collect data on that. Unfortunately, you know, maybe we should do another study.

Which reminds me, there is just like so much work to be done. And for my program, there's so many interventions I want to do. We did this one, which great success. And now we're doing another one and we have another one. But if anybody wants to help, you know, with this, it's all privately funded.

The government is not going to fund this. Right, unfortunately. Fortunately. So, you know, let me know if anybody comes to you and says, how can we help? Well, sure.

Somebody will reach out and usually do. The thing that I would imagine would be the response to something like this was that there are so many industries that are established already that require the use of all these compounds, all these chemicals, all these endocrine disrupting chemicals. And it is, it's just everywhere.

It's everywhere and everything they use plastic in the production of so many different things. They're leaching into our food, they're leaching into our clothes, they're leaching into all these various products that we use that contribute to these chemicals entering into our body, disrupting that. So, like you, you're aware glyphosate, I'm sure. They were trying to eliminate glyphosate from the industrial agriculture.

Good luck. Exactly. The well, the president passed an executive order blocking it. Because some enormous percent, 90 something percent of all of our food in terms of wheat, corn, all the agriculture in this country relies on glyphosate for production.

And so, the ideas we need poison so that we can make food, which is so crazy. Especially when you consider the fact that all these other countries don't use glyphosate.

“Feed their population. So, how are they doing? And what do we need to do to get back on that track?”

And you know, I had RFK Jr in here to discuss it. And he was very crestfallen when he was explaining that there was an executive order passed. And that, you know, he was working very hard to try to eliminate glyphosate in something that he discussed. And, you know, previous meetings that he and I had, it was one of his primary concerns. Glyphosate is toxic. It's terrible. It's just completely awful for your body yet. The use of it is ubiquitous in agriculture and industrial agriculture.

Yeah. And he was trying very hard to try to eliminate it. And then the government passes this executive order because- Pressure estimation. Yeah. Exactly. Pressure.

Yeah. And this is what I worry about with- Yeah. And I want to mention names, but there's a lot of these popular clothing brands that people wear that are, you know, fitness. I'm healthy. I'm fitness wear. And these fitness wear, these clothings that you're wearing are leaching these chemicals into your body.

But they're screwing up your health, which is so crazy. Right. But it's so- I don't want to say it's perfect. But it's sort of encapsulates how screwed up our part of life is.

Yeah. Yeah.

So I did a study on glyphosate.

I mean, I examined our populations for glyphosate.

“And interestingly, they also have an effect on remember-”

A and a general distance? Yes. The same size. The same size. The same size.

They influence the tank size. Yeah. And now that's not- We did it in two studies and there's been some animal studies. I can't say this is an established fact.

But I'm just pointing out that it has very- You know, many unforeseen consequences. None of them good. And by the way, I was asked to go- To talk to our okay tomorrow.

But I can't because I have another meeting. But I would love to talk to him about this because this- glyphosate is a big concern of mine. Yeah. Well, I hope you do talk to him.

Yeah. He has these round tables and on different scientific topics. So this one is on microplastics, which is not perfect for me because I haven't measured them. But if he has one on glyphosate or pesticides, that would be- A good place for him.

Well, his hands are tied right now. And the glyphosate issue, voluntarily. Yeah. They have some non-toxic solutions. One of them is they have this new device, which is-

Like the same way these machines pull the crops out of the ground.

“These machines go over the crops and zap all the non-essential crops with a laser beam.”

Non-essential crops, excuse me, non-essential plants.

So weeds, I would say. So as the corn's growing or whatever it else it is, there's tapping all the other stuff that's growing around it. That's sucking up all the resources, all the weeds. Yeah.

Yeah. That sounds like a good step. That's a great step. Because it minimizes the use of pesticides. Exactly.

And I asked, does it have any residual effect on the food? He said no. Well, that's great. But then, you know, farmers, one of the big problems is they're already barely making money. Yeah.

So if you now require them to spend, you know, X amount of dollars on some gigantic weed-zapping laser that has to cover who knows how many acres they're running these money.

I mean, I'm sure you're aware, but monochrop agriculture for people have never seen some of these places that grow corn.

And we, you're talking about these massive pieces of land that only grow one thing, which in nature doesn't exist. So, of course, nature wants to rectify that nature's like, "Why is there only weed here? You need weed." And so, you know, birds drop seeds, all these seeds fly in the wind, and then all these things grow. So you're going to have to get these machines that are capable of traveling over all of those crops and zapping out all the weeds. How much is that going to cost to people that are already struggling?

Yeah. You know, because the American farmers are barely getting by, barely, and we need them. And, you know, the last thing you want to do is burden them with another cost. But also, you know, the use of, especially when it comes to things like wheat, because they're using it after they harvest the wheat to dry it out quicker, so it doesn't grow mold on it.

“That's why they're using glyphosate. So it's not even as a pesticide.”

It's the use of that. Yeah, they're using it as a, I guess, a desiccator. Wow. Yeah. And that's why so many theorized to be why so many people in this country have a problem with bread.

You know, it should make sense. And with their tape, no. And their tape, no. A lot of tape problems, a lot of people complaining. But it's just, it's so weird that we're so intelligent and so informed,

and, you know, now we all have super computers in our pockets that have access to things like Propoxity that can answer any questions you have about anything. But yet we're being poisoned by the very food that we eat, the coffee that we drink, the clothing that we wear, the water we drink, everything. Yeah.

Here's a good question. Are there any good filters on a consumer level that will remove a lot of these chemicals from water? That a person can buy? I can't name any brands. Right.

But are they available? Yes. There are. But is it reverse osmosis? What are the ones that work the best?

I'll tell you my solution in my house. That's very personal. We distill our water. So the water out of the tap goes into a big container. And then it's boiled.

The steam has formed crosses over and the steam has condensed into another container. Right. And that has nothing in it. And removes everything. And by the way, all germs also.

So that's what we've chosen.

sense, but not too bad.

And the water is fantastic.

Do you have to remineralize it? You should take mineral somewhere. You can do it in the water. You can do it in your supplements. Yeah.

It does remove the minerals, yes. Right.

“And that's what I've heard is the problem with drinking distilled water.”

Is it actually leaches minerals and nutrients from your own body? That I don't believe. No. But the water itself has had its minerals. Well, let's put it in the propuxity.

What is the issue with drinking distilled water for health purposes? And is it recommended that you add electrolytes or minerals or what have you? Because that's. So one of things that fighters do when they're cutting weight. I don't think most of them do it anymore.

But a lot of them were drinking distilled water.

So that the water would go in their system and write out their system. Because cutting weight for fighting, I don't know if you know about this. But they have to weigh in a certain weight class. And essentially what they do is radically dehydrate themselves. So that's what they do for a fight.

It's not a great idea. It's terrible idea. So the propuxity says it is generally safe to drink distilled water. Most people do not need to add minerals to it. As long as they eat a reasonably balanced diet.

“Distilled water simply water has been boiled and condensed.”

So it's very low in contaminants and minerals. Health sources note that it is safe to drink but tends to taste flat. Because minerals like calcium magnesium are removed. What about minerals? You get the vast majority of needed minerals.

The magnesium, potassium, et cetera, from food, not water. So distilled water alone does not usually cause deficiencies in healthy people to good diet. However, some organizations and reviews point out that long-term use of very low mineral water may slightly reduce mineral intake. And in specific groups, children have the exercises.

There we go. People with certain illnesses could contribute to electrolyte imbalance if diet is poor. So when might adding minerals help. The distilled water is humane or only drinking water. Your diet is low in fruits, vegetables, and other mineral rich foods.

Adding a pinch of mineral salt or using a remineralization cartridge. That sounds terrible. Cartridge sounds like plastic, right? Or drops can help restore small amounts of calcium, magnesium, and electrolytes and improved taste. Athletes who sweat heavily.

People with kidney or hormonal issues affecting electrolytes.

“And those on very restricted diets should be more cautious about relying exclusively on distilled water.”

And may benefit from electrolyte or mineral placement as advised by a clinician. I mean, I recommend people take electrolytes anyway.

I always add electrolytes to water every day.

Here's a funny anecdote. We have a cat. Which cat's name? His name is Archie. Archie.

Archie. And Archie comes patrols the house and steals our water whenever possible. He comes and drinks from our glasses unless we cover them up. So they think Archie probably likes your water because it doesn't smell like poison to him. He loves our water.

And he has the choice of his own water, which comes out of the tap. And he will 100% prefer our distilled water. Which makes sense if you think about a cat sense of smell. It's got to be off the charts. So he can probably smell like this water.

He's got a bunch of junk in it. And when you do the distilled and do the process which Stephen does every other day. And he goes to clean the container that you put the water in. It stinks. It really stinks.

He would be shocked. Wow. Well, we have a crazy filter at our house. We have well water. And we have this crazy filter that's giant machine that filters all the water.

It tastes delicious. But it's not distilled. I'm not saying that, you know, that shouldn't distill. That's an alternative. I mean, sorry, you shouldn't filter that's an alternative.

But I'm just saying what we chose to do. Right. And so the distilling it removes chlorine and all these other issues that are in the water as well. Yeah. And fluoride, everything.

Yeah. fluoride is another one that's bananas that we add to water under the guise that it helps your teeth. Like shut up, brush your teeth. Yeah. You know, I don't have any cavities.

I don't use fluoride. I have fluoride free tooth paste. I don't have fluoride in my water. It's dumb. It's not just dumb.

It's completely connected to lower IQs. There's a direct correlation between higher fluoride content and water and lower IQs. But there's a giant business involved in selling fluoride to these municipal water spots. I know. Which is nuts.

More poison. And we are so screwed up. Yeah. And I've studied for years. I studied chlorination by products and they cause miscarriage.

So it's got to be terrible for people that swim a lot in public pools, right?

Because then it's being absorbed by your skin.

I don't know how much exposure you get in the relatively short time you're swimming. Let's go. Let's find out. Put that into complexity.

“How much of an issue is chlorine exposure in swimming pools?”

Hmm. Let's find out. We don't know. We're learning so much. This little sign is like that's not.

That question's going to get tossed around here by breakfast because it could go multiple ways with like, is it too much chlorine? Like what are you like, you know what I mean? Right. Okay.

Let's say is chlorine exposure in swimming pools. It's a health concern. Yeah. That's good. There we go.

Let's try that. I bet it is. I mean, it only makes sense. I would like to study someone like Michael Phelps. Someone who's spent like thousands of hours in a pool.

Whether or not it's affected his body in any way. Whether or not there's like measurable chlorine levels in his urine or what have you. Chlorine and properly maintain pools is generally considered safe, but it can cause irritation by skin and airways. Well, that can't be good.

And heavily frequent exposure, especially indoors, can contribute to respiratory problems and some people. What chlorine does in pools?

“It kills germs like bacteria and viruses and pools and it's key for preventing infections”

and diarrhea illnesses from contaminated water.

Public health guidance typically recommends free chlorine about one to four parts per million

with pH 7.0 to 7.8 within this range. Disinfectation disinfection is effective and side effects are usually mild. Common short-term effects irritation of eyes knows throughout skin. Common when levels are high. When chloramines build up, especially in indoor pools.

Chlorines form a chlorine reacts with sweat urine and other organic matter. It can become airborne and irritate the respiratory tract. Causing coughing, wheezing or tight chest and some swimmers and staff. Long-term regular heavy exposure in indoors. Poorly ventilated pools has been linked to increased respiratory symptoms.

Some studies suggest increased asthma risk. Okay, put this in as a follow-up question. Is exposure to chlorine through the skin? Mm. Responsible for any health issues.

It's just through the skin. Let's see if there's any studies on that. Chlorine getting into the body through the intact skin for pool water does not appear to cause systemic, whole body health problems and otherwise healthy people. It's effects are almost entirely local to the skin itself.

What skin exposure you actually does, chlorine is an irritant that strips a natural skin oils describes the outer barrier leading to dryness, tightness, itching. So, put this in.

“What exposure does chlorine have to help the skin flora?”

Because healthy skin flora, you know, I do jujitsu. And one of the things that happens with jujitsu is you get a lot of skin diseases like you get. Really? People get ringworm, staff infections. Well, you're getting scratched up a lot. You're rolling around on the mats and if the mats are dirty.

And if it's just there's exposure to it, you can have a problem. And then one of the problems that people have is to treat that. They use anti-bacterial skin soap. So, what that does is just strips the skin of all the healthy flora which actually protects you.

The counter to that, I always bring this up.

I have no affiliation with this product, but it's an excellent product. It's called defense soap. Defense soap is my friend Guy Sacco. He invented it. He's wrestling coach. And it was a solution using healthy things like tea tree oil, eucalyptus. In this soap, that kills the bad bacteria, but does nothing to the healthy flora.

That's great. So, that's the only soap that I use. The chlorinated poir does disturb normal skin flora temporarily, but in healthy people the microbiome usually recovers within hours to a day or so after swimming. So, that's a problem if you swim every day.

The chlorinated is a broad disinfectant. So, it kills or suppresses both good and bad bacteria on the skin's room. Yeah. Reducing overall microbiome diversity right after swimming. Experimental and field studies show that even short exposure can cut measured microbiome diversity

markedly, often cited around 30% to 40% with composition shifting away from the usual dominant groups right after a swim. How long disruption lasts after leaving the pool, many of the resident species begin to

composition tends to drift backward towards baseline over the next 24-plus hours.

With frequent repeated swimming daily or high volume training, the skin may be in a more chronically perturb state with less time for full microbiome recovery in between exposures. I know a lot of people have switched their pools over to salt water pools for this very reason.

“I think there's a problem with salt water pools in very high temperature areas.”

No. Where it's not effective enough to stop molding all the junk. Right. Right. Right.

Yeah. Do you want to see these products I brought? I would love to see these products I brought. Here you go. These are for cleaning up your skin.

What's up, Jimmy? I know what you just said. Salt water pool is still technically a chlorine pool. Oh, still a chlorine pool. It just makes the chlorine on site instead of pouring it in.

Oh, yeah. Salt system is where it's pool is ordinary salt sodium chloride dissolved in the water.

Usually around 2007 or 3,400 parts per million, which is about 1/10th the salinity of the ocean.

And close to body fluid levels, the water passes through an electrically charged salt cell, which uses electrolysis to convert some of that salt into active chlorine, mainly hypochlorous acid and sodium hypochlorite. That sanitizes the pool.

“After chlorine does this job, it ends up back as chloride and the cycle repeat.”

So you keep generating chlorine as long as the system runs and there's enough salt. What's different from your standard chlorine pool. You still have free chlorine in the water at typical pool levels about 1 to 4 parts per million. The difference is the source salt generator versus liquid table chlorine, not the sanitizer itself. Most people find salt pools a bit gentler.

The water feels softer and continuous low-level generation can mean fewer fewer chloroemines. The less smell and irritation if the system is sized and maintained correctly. Interesting. Okay. So it's still chlorine.

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Long sealed. Such opening. Should be open though. No, it's not sealed tight. What have we gotten here?

A lot of stuff.

“So in the movie, you'll see that I came to the homes of the participants with a big box about this big.”

So this is obviously a very small part of that. Yep, this is just part of the picture. Bags that are safe, um, freezer, microwave is called zip top. You're silicone. They're made of silicone.

Okay. So silicone is okay. Silicone that's, there is food grade silicone. Okay. And then that is like spatulas.

Yeah. And the, and the food grade silicone is free of values and discernals. Okay. You can use that. Oh, this is a lot thicker.

This is a lot thicker. Yeah. Yeah. And so this is reuse. Just totally.

Yeah, absolutely. And you just story put your food in the fridge in that instead of in a. So you can buy these things through this company zip top. Is they make them specifically for that reason? Yeah, I'm sure.

Yeah, there's, I mean, one of many companies that makes. So this is essentially like a zip lock back. Exactly. Way thicker. Yeah.

Kind of cool. And so they make these larger as well. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

There are a lot of good alternatives for food storage. You know, glass, of course, is really good. Mm-hmm. And ceramic. So even so much better, too, because it's not creating as much plastic waste.

Since it's reusable, right? Right. Now, do you just run this through a dishwasher? Sure. It's a dish washing solvents and detergent stuff like that.

Oh. Oh. Oh. Yeah. So I run.

Yeah. What's the problem, Jimmy? The pods are probably not great. Oh, right. Of course, right?

Camp pods. Pods, tea bags, coffee pods. Yeah. Memory kids are eaten, tide pods.

Um. Okay.

I think there's two of those in there.

Yeah. These are just a little examples, you know. Let's give this company a shout out. It's called Zip Top. And I guess they make them all sizes.

Mm-hmm. This is like sandwich size. Yeah. This is like a snack size. And they make them larger, too.

Yeah. And they seal well, you know. Um, that's another question that I had about SUV. Um, there's a lot of people that cook their food in these SUV machines. Really?

That's very common. Yeah. I thought it was kind of high, you know. Kind of restaurants and stuff. Well, I mean, I know there's consumer versions of it that I know a lot of my friends use it.

Yeah. Yeah.

They use it for wild game in particular because you can slow cook.

So one of the things about wild game has a very low fat content. Mm-hmm. And a lot of people find that it's more tender if you slowly cook.

“So let's say if you like medium rare is like what does medium rare like 135 degrees I think.”

So you what you would do is you would take this piece of meat and you would seal it up in a vacuum sealed container and you dunk it in this SUV machine. And it keeps the water at 135 degrees. You can cook it for several hours at 135. And then you see or the outside of it.

Nice. And so a lot of people like that and it's really good for breaking down some of the harder stuff. Like, you know, the fascia. Yeah. Grisel.

Mm-hmm. So is that stuff leaking chemicals into your food? It has to be, right? Why? Well, because it's in plastic.

You're getting these vacuum sealed plastic bags. The food goes in and you've seen how to view it.

How to put it in plastic?

Yes. Have you seen how these SUV things go in? No, no, it's bad. I'm just as bad as my going in plastic. Right.

So what you do with SUV is you see's in the food. Yeah.

“And a lot of times you'll add like olive oil and things like that to the outside of it.”

You couldn't make it out of silicone? I would imagine you could, right? I don't know. Let's find that out. Has anybody made a silicone based SUV bags?

And do these SUV bags? Leech chemicals. It's just all discussion on reddit about this, but they didn't really have an answer. Like they're asking. The temperatures might not be high enough.

I don't know. Yeah. What are the temperatures that you need that start these chemicals leaking into from the plastics into your water? Because a lot of times they say don't leave a bottle of water in your car.

That's right. Because your car can get really hot. Yeah. It doesn't get that hot. It doesn't get like cooking hot.

So it's like what is. But if the SUV bags don't have plasticizers in them. Like if they're made of silicone. Yeah. Food based.

Food. Yeah. Similar. So it says we use vacuum sealed bags. Really going through them right now.

Even on early SUV. I tried silicone reusable and I wasn't happy. I don't really recall why.

“I think it was hard to get stuff in without a mess.”

Okay. That doesn't make any sense. Just deal with the mess. We made a switch to vacuum bags. I love it.

But we use a lot of bags. Okay. Put this into the proplexity, please. Do SUV bags. Leach and the grinned disrupting chemicals into your food when you cook with them.

Let's try that. Sorry. We're learning things. Yeah. Doesn't it have to be vacuum sealed?

Yes. Probably because you want water leaking in there. Yeah. You don't want water leaking in. The one I have a machine.

Like and I use this vacuum sealed machine. Like so if I get wild came and then I cut it up into pieces. And then I seal it in these vacuum sealed bags to freeze it. Silicon based SUV bags are generally considered safe for food use and did not significantly Leach significantly is a weird word.

Leach harmful chemicals under typical cooking conditions. High quality food, great silicone is inert, BDA free. Right. This is silicone though. Food, great silicone shows minimal chemical migration, such as silo.

Siloxins, especially compared to plastics. You can release microplastics like BPA. This is a silicone though. What was the question that you asked? How'd you phrase it?

Well you're asking that too. You write silicone based SUV bags. Just let's not silicone based. Just like plastic SUV bags. Well you know they're going to leak stuff.

Let's find out regular plastic SUV bags. Let's see what it says.

But I want to make sure that it's vacuum sealed to the bags.

“I'm at it should know that we're talking about SUV bags here.”

Regular plastic bags can be reasonably. I don't like that word. Safe for SUV. If you use the right kind. Food grade, BPA and Thalate free and rated for hot food.

But all plastics can leak some chemicals. And the data specific to SUV is still limited. What regular bags are safe. Look for bags made with polyethylene and or polypropylene that are labeled food grade and microwave safe.

Is there a plastic that's microwave safe? Those at real? These are considered safe with food up to run. One died in 195 Fahrenheit. Most brands zipper bags.

Glad are polyethylene BPA and dioxin free.

And are commonly used for SUV. At typical temperatures below 176. Purpose made vacuum sealer or boil in SUV pouches. That's what I use. Our specifically certified as food grade for cooking.

And of the safest plastic option. If you want disposable. So it seems like it's reasonably safe to do that. Review by Utah's Department of Health. No top notice.

Excuse me. Notes that there's a lack of studies directly measuring chemical leaching from SUV bags. But recommends using FDA compliant BPA and Thalate free plastics. Which are not known for estrogenic activity. And are considered safe for food contact.

Okay. It says trout. It says there. One trout study found detectable BPA in fish cooked. But the problem is food.

Like here's the problem. Fresh water lakes. If you're catching a trout in a fresh water lake. Fresh water lakes have horrible levels of these chemicals in them. And most people do not recommend eating food from fresh water.

From fresh water lakes. Which is so crazy. You think, oh, I'm going to go catch a fish from a lake. This is going to be really healthy. It's right from nature.

Now we've ruined lakes. Yeah. What is the issue? Put this in.

“What is the issue with eating fish from fresh water lakes in America?”

What are the health issues? Eating fish from fresh water lakes in America? We've looked this up before. It's kind of stunning how much chemicals you get from a single fish that you would catch. So if you catch a trout from a regular lake, you go to a lake.

Looks clean. I can see the bottom. Everything's fine. No. It's bad for you.

In fact, I know a guy who is friends with someone who does a lot of fishing tournaments. So he goes these fishing tournaments. Catches a lot of fish. And he got horribly horribly sick because of heavy metal poisoning. Is that terrible?

Crazy. You think you're eating fresh fish that you've caught yourself. It's got to be good, right? It's got to be bad for the fish. Eating US freshwater fish can expose you to chemical contaminants like mercury and PFAS.

And if eaten under cooked or raw, parasites in sub bacteria. Most people can still eat freshwater fish safely. They follow local advisories and avoid high risk groups pregnant people young children eating too much. Main chemical risks. Mercury, methyl mercury.

Nearly all wild fish contain some mercury. But levels in many US freshwater fish can be high enough to harm a fetus. Or a young child's developing brain and nervous system of eating off. And that's crazy. PFAS, forever chemicals.

Many US freshwater fish have measurable PFAS and in some studies show widespread PFAS plus mercury and fish tissue at levels that pose health risks for frequent consumers. PFAS exposures have been linked to changes in liver and kidney function, cholesterol and immune response. Pregnancy complications increase risk of certain cancers. I don't know why they haven't mentioned autoimmune.

Oh, they do say immune response. Yes. This guy in Denmark studied people on the Faroe Islands, which they all eat fish. They catch them. You know, they catch them there.

And so he looked at the levels of PFAS. And then he looked at their antibody response to vaccination. Oh, down. And so think of what that means in, you know, like it's time of COVID or whatever. I want to do an intervention where we take kids who are getting PFAS free school uniforms.

“Remember, I told you PFAS was in school uniforms.”

And then when they come in at age six for their first grade, they will have just had their booster.

that had the PFAS uniforms versus the cleanier uniforms.

Booster for which vaccines? Mom's protest is MMMP. I think it's okay.

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You should use this stuff. Probably the same level of ceiling. That's plastic. Might be more expensive though. Yeah.

What's your health worth? Right. But it's also reusable. Oh, absolutely. Just wash it.

That's the thing. It's probably economical in the long run. Right. Because plastic wrap. You don't reuse unless you're a son.

And it gets all over the world. Right. Everywhere. I'm sure you've seen the Pacific garbage patch, which is crazy. Right.

These are bags. And these bags are called Wawy. W-O-W-E. Right. And what is this?

It's another food storage, you know. Choice option. Paper or no. No. It's um.

Cloth. But cling cloth. Yeah. And she used this. Like for brand.

It's really good brand. Cookies, you know, stuff like that. Okay. Yeah. We use those.

“So is this all all these different products listed on your website?”

So people can.

They're listed on the million marker.

There's a car. Can they're a car? They're just scan the QR code. And you can go to that. And um.

But it would be nice. It was like once. So if you scan the QR code. Is there a one stop shop? Like people listening to this right now.

Can we send them to a website? Yeah. What website would that be? I don't. I can't.

Look at the card. I can't. This one. Tips for D.Cock detox journey. So this is the QR.

So if I scan this right now. I'll tell them to take me there. Yeah. That's my phone. This world that we live in.

We're not ready. Okay. It says. The.

The website is million marker.com.

Chemical glossary. So this is the chemical glossary. That's on this card. But it doesn't. Not the products, right?

It doesn't say the products. It says partners.

“So there's products on that other website.”

I told you.

On plastic your life. On plastic your life. Yeah.

“So that's a place where people can go and see these products.”

And then. It does. There's three steps.

On plastic your life.com.

Action hub. Protect yourself. And then it can tell you how to protect yourself. Against various things in different rooms. I haven't bought rooms.

I think. What is this one, Jamie? This one says. This is the same website. I just already went to that.

So when you go to unplastic your life.com. It takes you to OSP. It's going to. It redirects to this website. Got it.

And then go to the action hub. Protect your family. And then all the products listed down there. Okay. There it is.

Okay. Single. Okay. On non plastic bags. Non steel cookware.

Got it. Replace the plastic cutting boards with wood.

“So I think some people use titanium, which is fine too, right?”

And then what about that? What's about that? Steel single use drinking water containers.

Never use plastics to store your food.

Never heat plastics. Holy. Saviors skin by selecting personal care products with natural ingredients. In glass or tin packaging. Boy.

So disturbing. Washing your clothes. Mm-hmm. Yeah. By the way, we didn't talk about smell.

Smell. But everything that's fragrance has the alloys. Of course. And you know, like you think you're doing good. If you hang that little pine tree in your car?

Not good. Not good. And you plug in things in the wall. That's supposed to clean up your air and refresh your air and so on. Not good.

There's ones that are in cars now. Like certain cars. I think Mercedes has one where you refill it. And you can actually will spray air freshener through the vents. Some Mercedes do that?

I think it's Mercedes. Which makes sense. You know, luxury.

I want to smell like lavender.

I'm driving. Right. Oh, look at me.

“Am I looking at his car smelling something?”

He's having a dying of chemical exposure. We asked women on this answer. You know, our study. We said, "What do you use?" And then we said, "Was it fragrance?"

Mm-hmm. And anything where they said it was fragrance, their body burden of salads was higher. Of course. What about natural deodorants?

I don't know. Yeah. Because I use natural deodorants. Try to avoid a lot of that stuff. Mm-hmm.

I'm not a product for it on the website. It says it's a miscellaneous danger is good. I think what that is. What that is? What?

It says miscellaneous dangerous goods. Maybe it's when they ship it or something. Other dangerous things. The interior of the vehicle will be fragrance. It says it right there.

Yeah. This is under Mercedes, under their smell. A Roma system. Pacific mood. Ooh, I want a Pacific mood.

I'm living on the coast. I'm fabulous. And it says miscellaneous dangerous goods. Other dangerous substances. That's crazy.

That it's labeled that way. The interior of the vehicle can be fragrance to suit your own individual preference with the air balance package. Flack on Pacific mood. Lemon and orange top notes accompanied by a blend of spices.

Ah. But meanwhile, it's probably not good for you. So what is in there? They're engineered specifically. Does it say what?

They're also subject to rigorous testing. Which means each part comes fully certified. In the end, you can be sure that your vehicle will perform up to its potential. A mile after a mile. I don't know if you want to try this.

Whoa. Can you say that word, doctor? I don't know. You're far. Good.

Ten. Ten. Second. Yes. I'm guessing that means there's dangerous goods.

But why? Other dangerous of the calling it dangerous? That sounds really crazy. Mainly it's dangerous goods. It's like hazard warning.

This is crazy. But why would they say that? I'm saying that. And then you're spraying it and you breathe it in. It could be very well.

Like when those California rules are they say. This building has got dangerous chemicals that could cause cancer and people. And it has to be very good. Right. But just weird that that's in the actual stuff that you breathe in and smell.

Yeah. I've heard another thing is really bad for you is incense. Probably varies with the, you know, what's in it. I wouldn't blanket all incense. I don't, I haven't studied that.

So let's put that into proplexity. Because I know candles are bad for you. Scented candles in particular. Yes. Yes.

There's their aroma again. Yeah. Things that sell I do is they cause something to hold scent.

So they're put into perfume and they're put into makeup and they're put into, you know, the things you put on your wall.

“And so, you know, you want something to smell for a long time.”

You're going to use that light. It says burning incense products, smoking chemicals that can irritate your lungs. Worse in asthma and allergies. And with heavy long term use in poorly ventilated spaces may increase risk for heart disease. And some cancers.

You know, you think incense, you go over someone's house. They do yoga. They vegan. They burn incense. They must be healthy.

Right. Long term health risks. Repeated long term exposure daily for years. Been associated in studies with increased risk of bronchitis. Reduced lung function and children.

And chronic respiratory symptoms and workers have exposed to temple incense. God. Epidemiological studies. Mostly in Asian populations with heavy daily use. Have length long term incense exposure to higher rates of cardiovascular problems.

Hypertension, coronary artery disease, stroke, chronic limb.

What's that word? Excuse me. Excuse me. What's that mean? What does this mean?

It can't be good. It sounds terrible. What does this mean? What does this mean? What does this mean?

Oh. Lack of blood flow to part of a body. Usually because of an artery is narrowed or blocked. Severe or prolonged. The affected tissue could be damaged or died.

Oh, great. Oh, wonderful. So you think about incense. You think like healthy natural people. Oh, they burn incense.

It sounds lovely.

It sounds like they're spiritual.

Ah, incense. I still love incense. I still use it all the time. Thought it was cool. Made you like, you know, be more peaceful.

incense. Bad for you. Everything's bad for you. You know what's bad for you? These straws, if you trip with them.

You know, a lot of people have died. These are metal straws. Really? They've died because they're on their phone and they're not paying attention. They stub their toe and fall and this thing goes through the eyeball and they die.

Yeah. Okay. But also, you could die just falling. I mean, if you're falling and you're holding a steel straw, throw it to the side. That's my idea.

“So if you want to do this, little experiment of one that we're talking about.”

Okay. And of one. Unless Jamie wants to do it too. Jamie's in. Look at him.

He's down. Then. Jenna or somebody on our team, if you had her now or half an hour, I don't know how long to take it. Call you and say, ask you, what did you use? What did you use?

What did you use for this? This, this, this. Right. And then they'll recommend what to change. Right.

I recently underwent this plasma for recess. I know. Yeah. And that's supposed to remove a lot of that stuff from your blood. Correct.

But I'll tell you what, the next day, I was very tired that day. Like exhausted that day. But the next day afterwards, I felt like later. I felt like, well, this is crazy. I felt like I hadn't more energy.

It was like kind of late at night. I was like, I'm not tired at all. It's weird. You're going to felt different. You know.

So that would be great. Are you going to do it again? No, I just did it. I mean, I would do it again. But I just did it a few days ago.

I was just wondering, you know, if you measure chemicals in your urine before you did it. I should have done that. And then after that, I don't have any papers around from before. No.

[LAUGHTER] But I could do it now. And maybe I have very low levels. And we could have attributed that to it. Because I haven't done the best job.

Well, like I said, I did get rid of my plastic coffee machine at home. I did that about three or four weeks ago. One of these has done is it's made my morning coffee a lot harder to get. It's more of like a ritual now. Because I use a steel water boiler thing that heats it up to 200 degrees.

And then I have a steel French press. And I grind the beans in a steel thing. And then I pour the beans in the French press. And it takes 15 minutes, rather than 30 seconds. It takes way better.

But I'm a big coffee drinker. I love coffee, but I like it black. I love the flavor of coffee. I really do. And so it just takes better.

“French press, I think, is the best way to drink coffee anyway.”

And so I kind of decided, like, why am I avoiding all these microplastics? I don't drink out of plastic or paper cups. I do all these different things. Why am I still using a plastic coffee machine? I look at that thing every morning.

And I was like, yeah, but it's going to give me coffee right now. And then I was like, that's stupid.

Yeah.

So I'd be interested to see if maybe I have low levels.

Because I certainly feel like my body, it felt refreshed. Like I had less inflammation. You know, but that's like a two hour procedure. It's pain in the butt. You know, you're going to sit there for two hours.

You look like a psycho, you know, like I should have taken a photo. What I looked like while I was doing it. Because I was laying there and I had like cords in this arm and cords in that arm. So I had blood coming out of that arm and going back at that arm. Really kind of nutty.

How expensive? I don't know. Oh. Yeah. I don't know.

But sure, it's not cheap. Yeah. But the benefits of it in terms of like the people that I know that have done it, that said it's a game changer in terms of your recovery, market recovery levels. Much better sleep.

Look at me wearing an aura ring or a whoop strap or something on those lines. Get much better recovery.

“And I think that's probably the case with me.”

It feels pretty good. I bet you a lot of stuff. You know, I do a lot of things to maximize my health. So it's really kind of difficult to know. Like what do you want?

Which wants to know all in all.

You know what we always say.

You know it might feel, you know, the one thing at our time. Right. Of course. If you're doing science. Yeah.

I'm not doing science. I'm doing chaos. Yeah. Well, you're doing, you know, your experiment of one. Yeah.

Yeah. But it works. All of it together is definitely working. My body's pretty good. So you know, you were mentioning how it's going to be very hard to get these things regulated.

And I just wanted to point out. We probably talked about this last time. And, you know, where do these chemicals come from? These plasticizers. And you probably know they're made from fossil fuel by products.

Yes. Yeah. So the forces against eliminating them are not only the manufacturers of the plastic, but it's also the fossil fuel industry. Right.

So that makes it extremely difficult. Right. Yeah. And it's probably one of the primary factors. And why this isn't discussed.

Because it would reduce fossil fuel consumption. Which would affect oil markets. Which would affect the economy. It's big. Yeah.

Yeah.

“But I mean, the rate at which plastic production is increasing is astounding, you know?”

Yes. And no end and sight. Well, I don't think you're going to get the government to act about this stuff. I think this has to be done on an individual level where people are aware of it and take steps to protect themselves and their family from these issues. That's my cynical view of how this is going to be played out.

And I'm really hoping. I know for a fact, a lot of people listen to our last conversation and made some lifestyle changes. I'm really hoping that now, with this follow-up visit, more and more people will be aware of it. Yes, and watch in the movie. And the movie is called What's It A Call Again? The plastic detox.

The plastic detox. Yeah. And where is this movie available? On your in your house. Right.

But is it available on Amazon, Netflix, it's Netflix. Okay. Watch on Netflix is great. Yeah. There's somebody great documentary on Netflix.

They're hidden dangers of plastics in our homes. Six couples in bark on a plastic detox. Within their homes, it changes their families forever.

“The detox explains what microplastics and their chemicals are doing to our health and how”

we can take matters into our own hands. From hormone disruption that's feeling a worldwide fertility crisis to growing rates of cancer and early heart attack and stroke. It's powerful documentary reveals the shocking science behind plastics impact on human life. Do you want to see a little trailer?

Sure. Let's watch a little trailer. Put your headphones on. Well, you already know what it says. Something we just a crap ton of chemicals.

Even the smallest levels of exposure can have profound effect. For kelly worldwide is going there. There you are. And it is tightly linked to chemicals that are commonly used in plastic. You have been trying to get pregnant for over 10 years now.

22 months. Two and a half years.

Say what you always call yourself.

Ah, I say you know Julie, I'm not a human deal though. This is a three-month intervention where we have been through to six couples who have unexplained infertility. And we look at measures of seemingly quality. The cut-off for fertilists, about 40,

you're technically some fertile infertile. So that's kind of scary, right? Yes. The question is if we lower people's exposure to chemicals that are in plastic,

These chemicals not only affect your fertility,

but they also have other health consequences. These chemicals can contribute to early heart attacks is stroke, autism, as well as obesity. Learning more about plastics. It's opening my eyes to how much bigger it is.

Many people think the government takes care of us, but very few chemicals are actually banned from personal care products and over 1100 are banned in EU.

“To have a child, I believe it is a fundamental human right.”

I think she'd be the best mom ever, and I really want to see that for you. Plastic doesn't have to come from a toxic petroleum-based material. We can learn to do it otherwise.

It can change, and you can help with the change.

That's another good point that he just said right there. The plastic doesn't have to come from petroleum-based materials. Most people aren't aware of that, but you can make plastic out of plant compounds, like in its biodegradable. It's like they make a hemp plastic.

Potatoes. Potatoes. Yeah, potatoes. Probably a bunch of other stuff too, right? You can make plastic out of that doesn't have these effects.

It'll be really nice if we move in that direction, wouldn't it? Absolutely. The plant-based plastics have the cost of raising the plants.

Of course, there's that added cost.

Right.

“But does that even compare to the cost of pulling oil out of the ground and refining it?”

Right. Then turning it into plastic through some horrific process. That turns the river's blue. What a riddle. It got us what does color turns us.

Right. Is there a list of garments that people shouldn't wear? Are you aware of that? The plastic leaching garments? Well, the only specific ones I know are because people have told me about them.

Are the sports uniforms, team uniforms? Because they have a coating on them. Yeah. To make them more durable, is it the idea? And I probably this book to die for will have more information.

And I have it, and I'm just so busy with this right now. But I'm going to read it. And then sports uniforms, kids uniforms, heirloin, personnel uniforms.

“I think uniforms, firefighters, firefighters are big, big exposure to these chemicals too.”

Right. Because they wear those waterproof. Yeah. Anything with it? That's right.

Anything that's waterproof, stained-proofed. Just like your Teflon pants, you know, in the area. Yeah. Yeah. But I don't know any particular brands.

Sort of like nylon, tracksuits and all those different things. Yeah. We terrible for you. I mean, customers could look for when they buy these things. They could look for PFOS-free.

Just like now, people know to look for BPA-free. You know, it's a good look at PFOS-free, then they would be avoiding a lot of this. So go back to the top, please. So as the worst offenders are synthetic plastic heavy garments that are fuzzy, coded or very tight to the skin. Especially polyester fleece, recycled polyester fast fashion.

And PFOS-coated water, stain repellent, outerwear, and activewear. Polyester fleece jackets, blankets, loungewear, extremely high microfiber shedding. One study found that polyester fleece shedding orders of magnitude more fibers per wash than other nits, which estimates around 110,000 fibers per garment per wash. This is both bad for environmental plastic pollution and for indoor dust and air. We recycled polyester fast fashion, like leggings, tees, dresses, and sportswear, new testing shows.

Recycled polyester garment shed more and finer microfibers than virgin polyester interesting. So you think recycled, oh, recycling, I'm a good person. No, you're killing yourself. Increased particle numbers and potential toxicity. These items are often cheaply made, shed heavily in washing, and frequently used intense dyes and finishes.

Hot pink, tight synthetic sportswear and underwear. Yikes. These are worn for long periods directly against sweaty skin and mucus membranes, increasing opportunity for contact with microplastics and additives, like antimony, thalates, and PFOS finishes. Cheaps synthetic performance or wrinkle-free fashion. Staying resistant, easy care, anti-oter, and heavy print coding garments are more likely to use chemical finishes that can off-gas or leech on top of the base synthetic fiber issues.

Simple weaves, nits rather than fluffy or brush surfaces, which shed less PFOS free rain gear and outdoor clothing. Brands now often as what, what, what rain gear is PFOS free.

That's interesting because I always thought that like has to be quoted.

All right. Who has to work? What has been the response to your, first of all, you're releasing your first book and then coming on podcast and talking about this thing. Has it been surprising to you? Like, what has it been like? It has been kind of surprising. How much interest there is and how much, you know, people are taking this up. And what's great is there are a lot of nonprofits that are in the space that are getting out these messages. So it's not just me, you know, many, many nonprofits. And then there's the, you know, there's the, the plastic treaty, which is a worldwide, it didn't pass, but hopefully it'll come back and maybe next time.

And then there's the work that the EU is doing, which is miles ahead of us. For example, I think I might have said this before, but just so in Europe, you, if you're going to put a new chemical into commerce,

“you have to, it has to pass certain tests to be safe.”

Right. Not here. Right.

So we're, it's, the testing is on you and me and everyone listening. And I mean, we haven't really raised our hand and volunteered for that.

Well, I mean, I don't want this to happen, but I think maybe what has to happen is these companies have to get in trouble, you know. Well, some of them have, you know, there are lawsuits and other lawsuits against, like, out of where clothing, like, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Because yoga pants are a problem, right? Yoga pants. Yes.

Yeah. Those tight nylon things that a lot of the girls wear to. Yeah. I don't know where the lawsuits are. I might at some point get involved in that, but at this point, I don't know, but I know there are lawsuits and that they can be effective way to push back.

“And by the way, you said we wouldn't get a federal law, and I think that's not for a long time, but states can do it.”

California, for example, is doing lots of good fun.

What are they doing about it? I can't name you the, the laws, but I know they're very active. The, um, the, um, you bonta, Ron Bonta. He's a, he's a district attorney, attorney general of the state of California. He's very active. And, and so the states that have active, you know, push back, you're able to get laws passed.

Um, that kind of sets tone for, you know, for what's possible. But I don't see a skinning federal push back very similar. No, it seems like industry controls the federal government more than the cell, the health and safety concerns of the people, which is very disturbing, but not too surprising when you consider a lot of the other things that are allowed in this country, that aren't allowed in other countries. Right.

Like we need to show that list of the chemicals that are illegal in the EU, they're illegal in America. That's disturbing. Like we're supposed to be number one. We're number one. We're number one in chemicals.

We're number one in chemicals. Yeah. Um, the response when you run this podcast was pretty shocking for me. So many people reached out to me. A lot of my friends that watched the episode were like, I can't believe this.

Oh, I have no idea it was five years ago, but quite a few of my friends that, you know, don't reach out with every episode. Reach out and said that is just nuts. Like I can't believe this. And especially people with children, and they're concerned about the development of their children or people who are pregnant, who are concerned with the intake of these chemicals while they are pregnant, which has a radical effect on the child's development.

Well, and alligator. If your friends are listening now, I can tell them that it hasn't changed much. It hasn't improved much, and we have to do a lot more. Well, personally, and you know.

“I hate to say it, but I think, like I said, I don't think the government's going to do anything.”

I think it's got to be up to individuals to make choices. And I'm really hoping your documentary has another big impact. One of the beautiful things about Netflix is that it's even though things get promoted on Netflix.

A lot of people just start sharing it and start talking about it and posting about it on social media.

And then next thing, the conversation starts happening and starts raising awareness. And I really do hope you're going to go on a bunch of other podcasts as well and talk about this. Thank you. And there are showings and Netflix, you know, encourages that. And I'm going actually all over the world talking at showings.

Now, schedule is like crazy.

“Do you ever think like how crazy it is that you're this one person that's sounding the alarm?”

Because you kind are the most public face of this problem. That is a little crazy to make, especially given where I've come from. What if you didn't exist? The question. Oh, there are many, many people pushing back, many, many people. But I don't know if they're doing it as publicly as you are.

And certainly not, I mean, they haven't been on this podcast. There are many of us are. I, you know, I feel lucky that I haven't, like you're, like speaking to you and your followers and other podcasts. And, and.

And then having the opportunity to have designed this intervention and have worked with Louis and others on the film team to put this forward.

It's a very big thing. And you know, the film costs a lot of money. And we've had worldwide support for putting this out. So there's a lot of support behind the pushback. And we just have to get everybody on board and just say, no, I'm not going to use that stuff.

Yeah, that's, that's really what has to happen. The conversation has to increase. The volume has to increase. More people have to share it and talk about it and more people have to have you on. And, you know, we just have to sound the alarm.

It's, it's kind of crazy that five years later nothing's changed. Because like I said, it shook up a lot of people that I'm friends with. But I didn't hear it from any other places. Yeah.

“I mean, I didn't see you on a, did you do any other podcasts after you did you?”

Yeah, you know, human. Sure. Very well. He's on his and he's great. Yeah, he's great.

There are, I can't remember the map, but yes, a lot of podcasts, but hopefully now more. I do have more coming up. My schedule is really kind of crazy. One of the things great is the documentaries easily digestible. Yes.

It's on Netflix. Everything's on Netflix. Just sit down. Okay, let's watch. And then you go, oh, my God.

And then there's all these, you know, places to go at the end of it to, to learn more. Right. People want to do that. We would love to see it viewed by influencers, not in the typical, you know, social media sense, but people like religious leaders, you know, leaders who could be one over.

You know, if you have any ideas, you know, but I thought about having, you know, the Pope. I mean, this sounds really wild. You know, a lot of people get there and where do people get their information? Like from their religious leaders, from their peers, from their doctors. By the way, none of this is taught in medical school.

That's crazy. That's crazy. Right there. Well, neither's nutrition. You're right.

Yeah. So, you know, somebody's got to spend a lot of time getting that curriculum changed. Right.

“Actually, you have to get the test changed because the teaching is to the test.”

Right. You get the stuff on the test that would be more doctors learning this. But they don't get it. They don't get it. They learn about lead.

That's about all. Well, there's not a lot of incentive to teach this stuff. Right.

That's part of the problem is that especially these petrochemical companies and the, you know, the use of these things.

It's going to affect so many different industries because if you cut that out and they, No, I mean, how much of an impact is that going to have on the economy? If everybody just stopped using all of these chemicals, all, if all the, you know, Lulu Lemon brands and, I don't know, single them out, but all these different companies. If they'll just went under tomorrow, there'd be a giant problem.

If everybody just stopped using these things. Maybe for a little while, but then they'd be healthy. Well, the people, the people would be healthy, but the companies would go on. The companies will not be healthier. No.

Unless they make the switch. But what could they do to make the switch, like if you're a company? Well, you were saying like plant-based plastics. Mm-hmm. Do they make plant-based plastic clothing?

Does anybody do that? Like plant-based plastic leggings? Let's find that out. Do anybody make plant-based plastic? Used in clothing.

Yeah. What is the primary chemicals that come out and is a PFAS? Yeah. PFAS-free leggings. Because I would imagine, especially if you're not wearing underwear and you're wearing those kind of yoga tights, that would get in there, right?

So they're not see-through.

Squat proof?

“Yeah, if this is a girls wearing leggings, you know, they're going to be doing a lot of squats at the gym, probably, or something.”

Squat proof. So they don't want people to watch them a lot, but there are some- I don't know what that means. Watching them a lot? Yeah, you know, top two.

Oh, see-through. Yeah, there's see-through. Oh, that's a weird way to say. Squat proof sounds to me like you can't do squats. It's a problem for ripping out what imagine to.

I think it's just a bad phrase. It's just like when you do a squat or downward facing dog, the fabric stretches out. You can see some undies through the fabric. Tested nine different kinds of them, so there's a few different brands. Now, this isn't even really.

Oh, a bioplastic. Go back there.

Yeah, bioplastic, three primary categories of non-toxic work out clothes.

All natural or almost all natural. For example, 100% are getting caught in a 90% caught in 10% spandex. Most semi-synthetic fabric, for instance, 10 cell fabric. Plant-based plastic, which is the plastic source from something like caster bean oil instead of fossil fuels.

Hmm. In general, I'm not a huge fan of plant-based bioplastics. They are advertised as plastic free alternatives, but they're still plastic. And some research shows that they're not truly non-toxic. I know.

It's disappointing, it says. Here's the honest to God. Truth when it comes to performance, stretchiness, compression, durability. The plant-based plastics do tend to perform the best. Huh.

Followed by the semi-synthetics. Followed by the, oh, no.

“I think they mean performed the best in terms--”

Out of the three, I think not. But in terms of stretchiness. Oh, the other three. A lot of product categories were non-toxic options. Performs just as well as the synthetic option, like shampoo.

To give you one example, it's not really a straightforward with leggings. The end of the day. You're going to have to decide for yourself what kind of material you prefer. It will largely depend on things like what type of workouts you do. How you like your leggings to feel, where you work out and more.

Hmm. Okay. My reviews on these nine almost plastic-free non-toxic leggings. All right, let's get to it. It says, what are the ones?

So mate. It's a company called mate. Overall review. They're best middle ground leggings. They're super high-- they're not super high performance.

I don't know what that means. But they're made from healthier materials. They're very comfortable. They're great for lower impact workouts just for general everyday wearing. Squat test passed but had to size up.

So let's find what the best one is. Do they have the best one? I don't know. So mate is one of them. What are the other ones?

Pengaya. Overall review. Find myself reaching for these leggings more often than any of the others. And it comes to hardcore workouts. Compressive nature of them makes me feel very held in when

I'm jumping around the upgrade stretch. Squat test pass, material blend. 92% polymide, bio-based EVO, bio-based content. 8% part, bio-based, criora, elastane. 30% bio-based contact.

We'll make some different closest to conventional synthetics in terms of fit, feel stretch, and compression. Okay. So this website is the fitterie.com. And fourth slash plastic-free non-toxic workout leggings.

Go check it out for yourself. So there's some options that are out there. Hopefully we'll give those companies a boost and more people will wear them. Anything else before we get going? Think we covered it all?

I think so. I think we sound of the alarm. I think we tried again anyway. Yeah, we did something. Yeah.

“Like I said, I think it's just a volume thing.”

More and more of these conversations have to take place. So that in the general zeitgeist, more people are aware of it. And it just increased awareness and just makes it where more people are making better choices. And your platform is so huge that I'm really encouraged to have the opportunity to talk about this with you and happy to come back.

Well, I'd be happy to have you back.

I loved you the first time.

You're great the second time as well. And for everybody one more time, the plastic deep talks. That's the name of the documentary. It's available right now on Netflix. Go check it out and fix your life kids.

All right. Thank you. I really appreciate it. It was really fun. Thank you.

Yeah, it was great. I'm happy that you're out there because like I said, if you weren't doing this very important work, I wouldn't know about it. And I think a lot of other people wouldn't either. So thank you.

So pay in the cup. I will pay in the cup. I promise you.

And if you want to do the next steps, let me know.

I will do the next steps as well. Okay. Sure.

When you're ready to have another.

“Talk to that microphone so people know you're saying.”

Yeah. So when you're ready to have another test kit.

Or you can go to Million Marker and just order one.

Okay. Yeah. Okay. It's a hundred bucks. All right.

We'll send it for nothing if you want. Just let me know. Okay. Give me the hundred bucks. Okay.

Thank you very much. Okay. Thank you.