#2492 - Ari Shaffir

The Joe, Rogan, experience. [MUSIC] You know what you are on my phone? What? >> Already the wanderer.

>> That's a new phone number. >> That's not bad. >> That's a new number. >> Because that's what you are. >> I was telling you last night that I thought it was in Mexico City,

but we had a report that you had in a waste as concert in Mexico City. >> He said no is in Rio. >> It's a stop-pala, okay, so it was in Brazil.

“So we know a new way you were gone for how many months?”

>> Six. >> Seven. >> Jesus. >> Seven months. >> Yeah.

>> How many times you've done that now? >> I guess three, although when I went to Ecuador, I was very much in touch with everybody. So it was like-- >> That was a halfway.

>> That was a halfway. >> But you were there, you were kind of checked out. >> I was in touch, but I was in touch. >> Yeah. >> It's the odd numbers, I was still like doing podcasts and stuff, and-- >> Will you do it in remotely?

>> Doing remotely, yeah. I would do one with a big Jay and Soda. We did a 21-Jump Street Breakdown podcast. >> [LAUGH] >> Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We're so board-during pandemic. We're like, let's find a show and just get together. >> And what, show you a joke shit?

>> First we chose Sex in the City, and then found out gay fucking Ian already had a sex in the city podcast.

So if I didn't-- >> Yeah, did he really do it? >> Dude, that guy blows dudes, obviously he loves Sex in the City. >> Oh, I guess so. >> So we're like, we don't want to step on his toes, like, let's pick another. >> He seems like he's straight sometimes.

>> He does, it's weird, like is he only gay? >> No, no, he fucks. He fucks better than we ever did for women. >> Women? >> Yeah, okay. >> He gets it.

>> And then, but then he went to guys, he's a new breed, he's a new breed of just like. >> When did he go to guys, this is a new thing?

“>> I think he battled with it for a while.”

>> Okay, so he was fucking girls, but hate him, gotta wish you a guy like that kind of a deal. >> Yeah, I guess. And then he went to glory holes, and he was saying he wasn't gay, I'm like, bro, that's weird. One of the biggest signs of a gay. >> So you just stick your whole, your dick in the hole, or you suck the dick that comes out

of the hole. Was he the glory giver, or the glory taker?

>> You asked me questions, I don't know, I always assumed in my head it was he was

sucking dudes off, but I'm actually not sure. >> Yeah, interesting, right? >> It's interesting. >> Yeah, because if the dick comes to the hole, if you like, you ever want to suck a dick, but I don't want to look around the eyes, I just want to know what it's like, see if

I'm good at it. >> Yeah, I want to be a pair, it's a friend anybody, they're going to recognize me later. It's just want to work on my technique. >> Yeah, I just want to find out if I'm right. >> Yeah.

>> I need more research, not enough data points. >> Yeah, because so you didn't even ask him, which side of the glory hole he was on? >> I think I was so overwhelmed by this heterosexual dude. It was telling me he was the glory holes. >> And so then he was heterosexual, this is back in the day.

>> We did a podcast, my old podcast, on the way down to somewhere, and he was telling me that, but he was telling me he's not gay, and I was like, how do I say that?

“Wait, I was like, but I think you are gay, he was like, why?”

The glory hole stuff, it's a big sign, I think you think, I was like do you think, I was like, but that's the crazy thing, because you didn't even ask whether he sucks or get sucked. >> I was lost in it, you're right, as an interviewer, I didn't do my job that day. >> Obviously, it's a major question, it's a one in two chance. >> Yeah, right, how do you not know?

>> How do I, yeah. >> It's like very important to know, it is, because there is a percentage chance, it might be a chick blowing you. There's no percentage chance. >> Zero percent chance, it's a chick blowing you.

>> Is a vagina, there's zero percent chance, it's 100 percent a guy, or a guy pretending to be a chick.

>> I bet there's a ton of those dudes who have wives, who live in that world, but I always

thought it was a woman, like, shut up, shut up, yeah, plausible deniability, plausible deniability. >> Yeah, so then he just decided to just go straight gay? >> No, he's every, he does everything. >> Oh, no, he's like my ambient.

>> He's sexual. >> Yeah. He did this 21 jump street podcast, and I would do it sometimes, I'd get on, they're like, are you drinking a coconut with a palm tree behind you? I got him a coconut.

I was like, "Oh, it's just a Tuesday, guys. What's going on?" >> Yeah. >> And I really milk it. >> 'Cause you're in Ecuador.

>> 'Cause I was in Ecuador. It's having a good time. >> Was that gay tea drink? >> Monte. >> Sure.

>> Sure, what? Let's see, he just got into this, it's literally a jar of hay. >> It really is. >> You pour hot water, and there's so much hay in there. >> It's so much.

>> Tastes, you try it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, it tastes like just, like, an ass, yeah, I just say. >> I don't understand. >> It's like a ritual, it's all the gouchos in Argentina, then spread the Chilean,

so then-- >> And so it's just a bunch of leaves that are in a-- >> You're a bit tree. >> You're a Bomote, right? >> Yeah, but that drink is like different.

>> I think it's different.

>> Really?

“>> Yeah, I think it's as about as much as what Willie Nelson's drink is actually weed.”

>> Oh, Willie Nelson's drink is weed. >> Really? >> Oh, yeah. >> I take it back then. >> Oh, yeah.

I don't know what the legality of that is. I don't want to throw anybody under the bus, but Ron White brought a bunch of it to the mother ship, and it's very legit. It's all dose-dependent. I think one glass is like five milligrams, or one shot is like five milligrams.

But if you drink a glass of that shit, yeah, you're going to go for it. >> You're going to go into that weird dimension. You know that weird dimension where you're like, "I think this is Earth, but it doesn't

seem like Earth anymore."

>> I don't know. >> It's like a fact. >> It's like a fact. Similarly of Earth. >> Try to look at people like you see what I'm seeing.

“>> Yeah, I remember one time I was doing fear factor in we were in San Francisco.”

And this is the unregulated edible days, you know, because this is before marijuana was legal. Do you get a prescription? >> Do you get a prescription? Do you get a drug? >> Which one?

>> The X. >> Oh, yeah. >> This is early days and by the way, it was just like, there's banana bread going around. Now it's killing people. It's not killing people, but destroying people.

>> Yeah. >> Because they came in these doses, one X, two X, or three X.

The problem is X didn't equal any number.

>> Yeah. >> So it's just some guy mixing up his bathtub full of fucking whatever, like we'd have used cookie dough and deciding what's X to him. That's not a mathematical equation. >> Yeah.

>> X had no number value. >> So it's one times this, what's this? Right? >> Yeah. >> Well, I had the joke too about the gummy bear, the guy literally said that to me.

I go, how much did I tell you goes, just a leg? >> I go just a leg. >> I go, just a leg. >> Why the fuck are you selling whole bears if I should only eat it like, because it's only that big.

Like, I want them to eat just the leg. >> It's a crazy dose, a half a cookie is the right, because that's all cookie. It is a dose. >> So back in these days, we were doing fear factor. And we were doing it, we were doing it off of an aircraft carrier in the Bay area.

And so we had to take the, you know that one train, I forget what it is, is it the bar that goes under the water, that goes under the bay between Oakland and San Francisco, the bar, yeah, what ever it is? >> No, I call it the bar, just the fuck with them. >> So I took this edible and it was an unregulated edible, so I have no idea.

And it was way too strong. And I was, I was like, why do my ears feel weird? And they're like, because you're under the ocean, and I was like, no, it was like the longest 20 minutes of my life waiting to pop out on the other side, like, how long is this fucking subway been under the ocean, like how long is this existed, like what are the odds, this

thing is still good, is anybody out there diving, checking on the tube, making sure there's no holes in it, you know what this fucking thing is doing all the research in your head. >> And it was like, I felt like I was talking to people, but what I was seeing was a two-dimensional, like, you know, like those stand-ins, like when you go to the movie, and

it's like, you know, a person standing there, like thumbs up, but it's like, just a two-dimensional

“cardboard cutout, that's what everybody looked like to me.”

It was like a two-dimensional cardboard cutout, but occasionally I'd see their soul peaking around me. >> Yeah, me, it was so heavy, I don't know what the number was. >> Don't you miss how many X's that kind of high, I don't get that kind of high or drunk anymore.

>> Well, that kind of high is really fun, it's so fun, you know, when you look back, when it's happening, it's terrifying. >> Oh, that was the best. >> Remember guy did you just who with, he made pills, he made THC pills, because he was like, one of those all-day guys, he was just high constantly all the time, and so yeah,

the dab guys, but this is pre-dabs, and so this guy made pills, THC pills, I go, how may should you take, and he goes, he should probably start off with one, but I take two, so I took two, because I'm an asshole, and I wound up having this conversation with this guy, and he was weirding me out. It was at a jujitsu tournament, I was like, why is this guy so weird?

It turns out the dude eventually got arrested for rape, and not just the rest of her rape, but he was on the run, and he was on the run, and couldn't stop doing jujitsu, and the way they caught him was he went to like Seattle or somewhere, because this was in California and he was just wrong, but he was killing everybody, and I was like, who is this fucking guy?

Like, why is this guy so good, and then eventually they realized it was him, and they go, oh my god, this guy's wanted for rape, wow, he was a crazy person, and when I was like super high in these pills, I could see all the crazy in his eyes, like he didn't say anything crazy. Dude, you can, you know drugs, you can see through people, you can, you can, you can,

one of those where I'm like, no, it's just the drug fuck with me, you can sell, and

“so this is like, a year or so later, he gets arrested and winds up fleeing, I think”

he may be who is out on bail or who's wanted and fleed and went to the Pacific Northwest, but I remember when I heard the story, I was like, oh, that makes sense, because he had the weirdest energy, just like this dark energy, like creepy, dark energy, sometimes if you're on like a psychedelic and then someone's not on with you, you know, but they're around you, you're like, hey, you got to go, you're freaking me out, like, I don't know,

your energy is not of this, it's I don't know if you're looking at me, but like, you got to take off. Yeah, he is he like motivations, he's, you see, everything's so clearly, no, it's weird, but it's not reliable, it's not like, like, I'm about to go into a meeting with this defendant, I need to know if he's actually interested in guilt, so I'm going to take five grams

of mushrooms. Stay at the result, me and Big J were leaving a blues fest in Ottawa once, it's like a city festival, but then you wander into what used to be the safest city in Canada, so you're all fucked up, it's great. And as you're leading, you just see who's on what drug, like you just can tell, like mushrooms,

acid, we drunk, Molly, yeah, you just see it all, you just see through everybody, they're just in their talking. Yeah, I don't wonder what's going to happen now, that this thing happened.

I thought first of all, I thought, you know, I'm out on the news, so I'm here and stuff,

little by little, but everything, yeah, I thought it was just I, which is like, great, those people need that. And then, and then, I mean, Ed Clay has been telling me about that for so long. Well, Ed Clay, I talked about him on the podcast, he seems one of the ways that I found out of it.

“Yeah, yeah, yeah, I actually would tell you, it's like you should get on it, it helps”

the addiction. I'm like, I'm loving what I'm doing right now. I don't, I don't, I need this fuck up my heart, but like, I'm like, this makes sense. And then, I find, great, you've got that, and then I find out, it's also, I mean, the best hippy flip, you've got that, MDMA and boomers and shrimps.

And so Simon, yeah, well, it's because MDMA and so Simon, maps was already doing MDMA studies with veterans. So for people to, you know, watch, a bunch of people get blown up and lost their friends and come back, MDMA was one of the best therapies for helping them overcome PTSD. So maps had already pushed that through, and John's Hopkins had already done these studies

with civil Simon. So they already pushed these things and they were already on the way to getting approval through the FDA. But the problem was nobody wants to stick their neck out and sign off on it. So, probably, with Paul today, if you're running, we talked about this, we were running

for our office and the opponent can say he wants drugs legalized, then you're fucked. So it's like really binds your hands. Right. Well, that's funny because that's kind of what Dan Patrick did in Texas about marijuana. But to his credit, Dan Patrick met with Rick Perry and Brian Hubbard, the guys that

pass this Texas Obigan initiative, and they convinced him of what this stuff actually is.

And so they've donated, so he's allocated rather $100 million in Texas for the Obigan initiative,

which is amazing. When else does that happen? But that's a sign of us in Intelligent Man, like this Dan Patrick, I had this stance on weed. There's like weeds, bad, it's ruining everything.

And then they come to him, he's like, "I'm staunchly opposed to this," and they sit down with him. He explains Brian Hubbard explains and he's very eloquent, explained what Obigan does. It's not recreational at all, and he hears it, and he hears how much it'll help, particularly veterans that come back, they're addicted to opiates, and they're all fucked up.

Even CTE, even like brain injuries from getting blown up, it's neuro regenerative somehow. It's a crazy plant, and so he, to his credit, signed off, and they allocated $100 million for the Texas Obigan initiative, which is amazing. Wow. But it's like all these people have these ideas in their head, but it's all because

of Nixon. All of it goes back to his administration. Well, this is, you'll get stuck that way, kind of stuff, or it's like, "I think some people do." Yeah.

This is what's important about these studies. Yes. This is what's important about these studies.

“I think this is important about weed, too.”

You know, I'm very adamant that it's not for everybody. I think there's a lot of things. Oh, strong. Some of it's all strong. And some people are already on the way to skit-so.

They're already on the way. There's skit-so-frenny in their family, there's like, they just, that's not a good thing for them. Well, what's making it come back, luckily, is like Mexican weed, is like 12% to HD, where it's like, this is just going to be, I don't know how I do.

The old days. It's kind of bury myself in this movie. Exactly. Yeah. I don't want to go to Pluto.

Is there anything? Is there a shot? I want to be in the clouds right above the city.

What's the shot in the beer of weed?

I want that. That's it. Right. Right. I don't want to fucking dab.

I see these dabbers. Oh, I asked for medicine to dispense everyone's there, like, "What are you, what? What's the school? What is that?

Me? Yeah. They're all so hardcore. All these days it was like Zen dispense, one of the early ones, and I was like, just

“getting into it, Atari hooked me up, remember that guy with like weed, and it was like,”

it's like, okay, so now I'm into it. And I went to Zen, and I was like, listen, I like to smoke cigarettes while I write. I'm off cigarettes now, but to have it. So I need something. But if I smoke a joint, I'm done writing.

Right. And that's what he said. Oh, you want Mexican weed? We can do that for you. Just something calm.

It's just like, yeah. It's mild. Yeah. It's like going to a powerlifting gym and saying, do you guys have yoga classes? Yeah.

Yeah. He feels so wrong. Look at him. Get the fuck out of here. Got the fuck out of here.

Get the fuck out of here. Yeah. They did that in Ecuador, there was a city I was there when I did Ayahuasca, and it was a guy from the tourism board, and he said, what's going to there's three cities that are like on the border to the Amazon, and you know, you can go in from any one of them.

“And they go, what's going to separate our city from all these other Amazonian cities?”

And they go, let's be the Ayahuasca city. And everyone else on the tourism board said, no, we are not getting a bunch of fucking hippie backpackers in here to be drug addicts in our town. Like that's not where we're looking for it all here. Yeah.

It's just filled it up. They're not. There's a lever on it too, I don't know. And he goes, okay. Fair.

But he goes, can I take you on an Ayahuasca trip to each member? And each member was like, you know, they're a half indigenous, they're like, sure. Right. And then one by one, they all go, oh, this isn't an addictive thing. Right.

So I had the wrong idea in my head of what this was. You come once, you don't come back for a year. Yeah. Everybody had that thing from the Nixon administration. It's the controlled substances act of 1970.

And that thing that's, it's really nuts, but for 56 years we've been living underneath that. It just, it becomes a given. Uh-huh. You don't think to reevaluate any knowledge it's in there already.

I know. And it's like so many people, just a little micro dose of shrumes, it'll change your fucking life. It would help so many people, there's so many people that are stressed out for no fucking reason.

It really does give you such a reset. A hundred percent. Molly too. I know that's why I talked to you.

The MDMA, the math people were always like, please start calling it MDMA.

When you call it Molly, it becomes a party drug. I'm like, well, like, do what it parties. So that's what it is for me. The problem with what they're saying by saying that is like, no, because it is a party drug.

Do.

“It's also just like, what are we going to call whiskey?”

We're going to call it, you know, alcohol by volume, or you're going to have a technical term for what whiskey is. Fuck, let's get it. It's whiskey. You know what I mean?

That's why people like it. You call it that if you want. Yeah, you do whatever you want. I'm going to call it Molly. Oh.

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But it's because they've spent so much money and so much time and so much effort trying to get this stuff passed through. It would be so huge if you could just go get some mushrooms. Oh, it'd be so huge. And why can't you if you can go to Costco and just buy a jug of whiskey and drink yourself

to death? It also, so like in Edinburgh, they have a season for it and you can go through the meadows or any of these fields and just like pick mushrooms. Right. But if it's on your shoe, it's fine and if it comes off your shoe, then it's illegal.

Oh, that's hilarious. But it's just like growing there. You know, where Duncan used to live in Asheville, they started giving the cows like a certain type of feed that had antifungal properties to it. What?

So that they wouldn't grow. So who knows what it did to the cows gut. No. You know, we're probably through in the cows just because so many kids were picking mushrooms off of the cow shit.

They were going to put a stop to this.

centers, whatever, so you can write them and make them play harmonica. It's natural in the wild. Oh, no. Oh, no, guys. Oh, if it's love painting you a picture.

We wrote them when we were in Thailand. They were in Thailand. Yeah.

Did I write back my second time and they were everywhere the hospital was doing that.

And then I was like, no, I already did it and they go, humane or non-humane. I'm like, oh, definitely the humane one. Like, did you write them? That's incumane. I'm like, oh, yeah, incumane.

Well, the elephants wanted you to write them. They don't mind. Like, because you weigh nothing and you eat them first and you make, you give them an offering. Right. So you first of all, you wash them and you feed them.

So you feed them, like you give them sugar cane.

“And you have to develop a relationship with the elephant before you write it.”

Like, these people were all, they were all free-range elephants. They were all rescue elephants. So the elephants would come in out of the jungle. Like, they weren't in cages. Oh, really?

Oh, yeah. It was wild. Like they would. Yeah. Well, you don't, it's fairly a salad.

Yeah. You just kind of climb onto them. And there's like a thing that you hold onto. And they're totally cold with it. And then at the end, you go to this pond and you wash them.

And so it's like, they could kill you anytime they want to. So it's like, it's a relationship and it's not, they're not prisoners. And they're not abused at all. The people that are running this, the place that we're going to. But even then, I did a video with it and I said, you know, you could ride them.

I go, I wrote them. I don't recommend it. I don't know if you just do it.

I would never do it again.

I would never ride them again, because it just feels fucked up. I'd rather just feed them and pet them and say you're nice. But I'll see you go through the jungle. Yeah. But also like, you wrote them.

I did. So like, if you hadn't wrote them, you'd be like, I've never written an elephant. I would not have done it at all if my family didn't want to do it. They wanted to do it. So I said, okay, let's go.

And they enjoyed it. It was a good experience. You know, the kids, their little and we're taking a little Thailand and yeah. It's wild. But I wonder sometimes if these kids have started to tell me about it, like, if they'll

know later in life, how cool their experience was. It'll be till like the 35 or 40, they're like, oh, yeah, I had a great job. I didn't understand. The coolest things I did.

“Yeah, I think my kids are pretty aware of it.”

But anyway, they had these hippies would go over the encamp and pick out mushrooms from elephant patties and then eventually the people the herders were like, why do these

fucking dreadlock people keep coming in at night and like sniffing around our shit.

And then they realized what it was. And they go, oh, no, no, no, we'll sell this. Oh, so you sell it. Is it illegal in Thailand? Like, where's the legality of my mom?

Now I don't know, because I think they just legalized weed in Thailand. Did they really? Yeah. But back then, when it was illegal, there were bars that sold you joints and those are the bars that paid the cops.

And so for all types of purposes, you're fine. But I would not fuck around what drugs in another country. Lane. Yeah. That's me.

Yeah. Superlant. I mean, talk to Pretty Griner. How that work out? I could.

Do you think when she was in jail, the guys were fucked with her and show videos of her missing? Like, how come you miss? How come you miss the shot? But don't you break down?

You eat too much pussy. You smoke too much weed. You miss the shot. She's a jail for a long fucking time. And jail for a while.

These shoes in jail were like, wasn't it like six months or something like that? I knew someone to work to the agency she was at, the sports management agency. Every day, they started with 15 minutes of like, hey, before we get into anyone else's business, how are we getting around 10 months? Almost a fucking year in jail and Russia.

That's crazy for nine years in a penal colony. That was a fun, because they just told America, like, hey, guys, keep quiet. We can get her out. She's in nothing asset, just have room to be quiet, and the liberal angry housewives are like, no, I want to say something.

And they all just kept talking.

“They've actually like, Russia's like, oh, is this an important one?”

Oh, okay, Perrin. Is that what happened? Yeah, I think so. I think it was Biden was like, just shot up. We'll get her out to shut up and maybe into a bigger thing.

So that they can get the merchant of death released. We are the worst at hand. Americans are so bad at handling things. They don't know how to handle. They just rush in full-bork on.

I know how to fix it with no knowledge of it. But it's also once a story gets out in any form, influence just cannot help talking about. I hope it. It's their currency. There's no way they're not going to talk about it.

Same with the late night, guys. They knew after Trump won, they're like talking about him, helps him. Before we said, we're trying to take him down. But now we've seen the research. We know it's helping him.

I'm still going to do it, because it's my money. Yeah. People can't help it. They can't help it. Yeah.

I mean, that's like CNN's most of the ratings were talking shit about Trump. Like every time he did something outrageous, they would talk shit about him and they would have him on and they just made it more and more popular. Because I don't think they understood how much America's just Americans despise them.

We are the news. We're CNN.

“And then, because the fact that Trump was opposed to them and they just kept showing”

him, they're like, oh, he must be good. Because you guys suck. Right. You hear the theory that terrorism and the U.S. are symbiotic? What's the theory?

How's it work? Terrorism can't exist without the U.S. dominating their countries. Oh, yeah, that makes sense. And the U.S. they can't keep funneling money to weapons without terrorists. Well, U.S. and Israel.

I mean, that's a shame. Sure, sure. But it's like... And Netanyahu, who famously said they were funding them. We beat them.

When we fund Hamas, we can control the height of the flame. For 9/11, it popped off a little high. But we need something to be like, hey, we're all against that. And then those countries are like, look, they're all against that. So they just like, they need each other to keep growing.

Well, it makes sense. And also, you need an enemy in order to get higher military contracts. Higher budgets. I mean, if you don't have terrorism, how can you justify a trillion dollar military?

“So you need to, like, say, hey, they're a real threat.”

That's a 30-person group. Yeah. They're not coming for us, but like, we've got to take them down. Look at the training they're doing.

They've never seen chains bit.

I'm a monkey bars. I'm a monkey bars doing the training. I love that fit. Yeah. I love that fit about how bad they are at jumping jacks.

Yeah. So in fact, people do to get the tape and the biggest loser. Yeah. And they're stuck over there. Like, shut up.

Yeah. They're not going over there. And then, I always wondered why we left behind all the shit, like, cynically... But now, you know. So we leave that stuff behind so that they could use it.

The older I get, the less I think, there's accidents. There's an aptitude for sure, but there's also, like, we've done the research. We know. Yeah. At some point, you know.

Like, there's bad moves. You make here or there, but... I mean, we left behind tanks and blackhawk helicopters. Like, what? We couldn't get those out.

We had to leave right now. We were there for 20 years. Also, we got to get out right away.

You don't want to put a grenade in each one first before you go.

No. Like, what do you mean? Those are still good. Yeah, we didn't get out, like, Vietnam. Mark them in a field and drop a fucking bomb on it.

Yeah. You don't have to leave it there for the enemy. It's for the Taliban so they can keep the people under their thumb for it. Yeah, if you were treated last second, I could see it, but it wasn't that. And then you're like...

Yeah. They didn't have to leave when they, the way they left wasn't sane. When you see those ships that are, the planes that are flying away, and people are hanging on to the wheels of the plane and falling off because they don't want to be left behind. Because I know.

So many people that work with the Americans. You said you'd protect us over and over again. And then you're like, yeah, we've done this over and over again. We'll just say it. Exactly.

This says that it was equipment. We gave to the Afghan state so it wasn't, you know, it wasn't US equipment any longer. And it's already given over to them. We gave it to Afghanistan but not the Taliban, the national defense and security forces. Right.

There was not that many of them. And so the moment that we left, the Taliban just took everything. There's also like... What is the Taliban? We have this word on it, the second evil word.

Are they just like the government and a lot of these places? Like the cartels in Colombia, they like build schools, they do back shit, but they also are the government. They make sure the business is running okay. And so you have this idea of cartel, it sounds like that, but it's more than that.

I wonder how much of the Taliban is actually into terrorism and how much is just running day-to-day stuff? Well that's a good point because in America, I mean, what are the pharmaceutical drug companies? I mean, how many people have we talked about this the other day? It's like 70,000 people died of opioid overdoses in America in 2024, 70,000.

70,000. So like, a lot of that is probably cartel fentanyl, but a lot of it is like flat out old school oxycodone. So it's like, what are they? What are they?

- When you don't let them change every year. But they thought, the most effective thing of that sacclair with Ferris Bueller, that Dr. Many series, whatever. - Yeah, Pain Killer. - Is they started every episode with a real person

talking about how their son is dead, or something like that? And then they're like, oh my God, this makes it so real.

“Pain Killer, that's what's called, it's so good.”

- That's Peter Bergs. We talked about that the other day.

It's an amazing series, amazing series.

- Yeah. - Matthew Broadwick plays such a good, fucking creep. He did such a good job. God, that's so disturbing, 'cause it's based on true story. - And he's show a guy falling into the despair

from being fine to just like, - We all know somebody who got hurt. I mean, it's so potent, it's so powerful. And they told doctors, they told people, they told everybody there wasn't even addictive.

operated in the same path,

I mean, that's in the painkiller series. - Yeah. - That it operates on the same pathways, heroin. Like, you're saying that this is not addictive, this is a lie. - Yeah, the way they did there was go,

if that movie is completely accurate, it's like, okay, so this is for heavily cancerous, like bed-ridden people that have a pain threshold of 8 to 10, like it'll be good for them. Why don't we just extend the pain threshold

to 3 to 10, and that allows a lot more people in. If you're at a 9, it doesn't matter if I get addicted. My life is off of it right now. If you're at a 3, like, walk it off. - Exactly.

I talked about when I got my nose fixed, when the doctor tried to give me two different opiates. When I was like, it was nothing. I mean, it didn't even hurt. It was just mildly uncomfortable.

And that was also because it was stuffed up with gods. Like, it wasn't even gods. Like, these foam things with a tube that they stuff in your nose to keep your nostrils open while it's healing. But you know, he gave me two different opiates.

“And I was like, is it going to get worse than this?”

'Cause I don't find it. - I'm fine. - Yeah, they don't tell you. - But be careful, I would not take unless you're absolutely need it.

- No, they don't tell you any of that. They want you to do it because they're financially incentivized. - I got a wisdom tooth out. And the dentist was like, I was like, hey, I don't want to like... - Why'd you get a wisdom tooth out to their hurt?

- I don't remember. Who's still long ago. - Yeah. - Like, 15, 18 years ago. - What's the logic on that?

Are you supposed to get wisdom teeth taken out? - I've had both out. 'Cause I've had people say, I've heard people say you shouldn't. Like, there's no reason to take them out. - Oh, I do, they get impacted or something.

- I don't know. - Often they grow and they're growing and wrong and they cause problems with other teeth. - It had to be that. But he gave me this thing of viking and I was like,

I don't want any goes, your friends with comedians, right? And I was like, yeah, your friends will want it. Whatever you don't need. - What the fuck? - What the fuck?

- He was joking around, but he was right. I have tons of addict fronts. - They are all like, no, yeah. Advising me to take aspirin, not use up one of those precious vikers.

- I took that stuff once when I had my first ACL reconstruction.

And it made me so stupid. - Like it in? - I think it was viking. It was the viking in a perk set.

“I can't remember, but I think it was viking it.”

But I wound up selling it at the pool hall. - Yeah, so it gets money. - Yeah. - Do those things I think? - The only time I would devise taking viking

is if you have like two beers and really want a good night. - Really? - Oh yeah, those go so well with liquor. - Is viking in an opiate? Is it the same thing as oxycodone?

Like, what is viking in? - It's a downer. - I don't know what oxycodone is. - You're a downer. (laughing)

- It's a, I combine time to co-own and Tylenol. - Oh, Tylenol. - Tylenol and Hydrocodone. (laughing) - But last one, Joe.

- A lot of people dive in that shit, too. - Tylenol? - Yeah, I was reading this sad story once about this lady who she had COVID and she was in so much pain from COVID that she kept taking Tylenol

and she died of a fucking liver failure. - Ooh. - 'Cause the Tylenol, the C-D-D-Manif and killed her liver. - Sometimes you see people dying, you know, like, what a loser we did die.

(laughing) - I can't ever tell anybody there was no victimhood. Aspirin overdose. - Dork. - That's crazy.

“How much aspirin do you have to take for you die?”

That seems nuts. - I feel like all these middle school girls would try it before they had access to stuff. - Really? - You just don't win, it's like, I took a whole bottle last.

- Oh, you know. - I know a girl did exactly that thing. - Exactly that. - Yeah, me too. - Yeah, I took aspirin.

- But it's like, that's not gonna do it. But your call for attention is there. - She was also crazy annoying. (laughing) - But like, let me tell you how to do it.

- But she had to do it. - Big tits and she fucked everybody. She was nuts. - And I'll accept it. - This girl was a fucking freak.

She fucked everybody. She was an animal. - Catholic school girl. - I just looked across something weird. - But I just typed in Tylenol deaths

and this thing came up. The Chicago Tylenol murders. - Ooh. - It seems like it's an unsuitable case. - Drunk temporary.

- Yeah, there's tampered Tylenol that people bought that was potassium cyanide. Seven people died. - Yeah, they broke. That's when they started doing the seal on top.

- Yeah, right? - Yeah, right. - I remember this. I remember this. This is when I was in high school.

Do they know why? Investigation suspects. - I wonder what the conspiracy-- - Yeah, what? - What's the tin foil at?

- Someone recently was arrested. No suspect has been charged as of 2020, six. - Whoa. - So a bunch of people died and they just got away with it. - Yeah.

- Wow. - It was convicted of extortion, sending a letter to Tylenol, manufacturer,

claiming responsibility and demanding a million dollars.

- If I remember right, they said we found out that the problem with one plant that had whatever and we've got in someone else like, well, okay, I bought this bottle before that happened, so this should be safe and then it wasn't.

And then it was like Tylenol, whatever was like covering up, how bad it got. Instead of going, recall everything. - Estimated $31 million bottles were in circulation

Equivalent to $334 million in 2025,

the company also advertised in the national media for individuals not to consume any of its products that contained acetaminophen. After it was determined that only these capsules had been tampered with.

- Wow. - Another one's in California that strict nine of them. - Wow, so that's probably one of those things, too. There's copycats, right? Like one person hears about someone buying poison

Tylenol on a day, yeah, I wanna poison people in Ohio. - I wanna poison, yeah. - How can he act? - Get your own shit. - Fucking hax.

- Yeah. - Just be original. Be awful, be evil, but be original. There's so many of those, like the Tylenol, we're like, wait, were you guys evenly covering this up

“and resulting in more deaths that I found out down there?”

Was like Coca-Cola, Dull, we're like, oh, these are like evil corporations. - As soon as they realized that, you know the Pinto story? - Uh-uh.

- So Ford found out, let's, oh yeah. - Research this to make sure this is true. - There's someone brought it up on the podcast. They're blowing up and they realize it's cheaper to just pay people off that died from their carbine blown up

than it is to recall all these Ford Pinto's. 'Cause the Pinto had like the gas tank rather was in the back. - Yeah, something like that. - And there's something about the design where if you got rear end that it would blow up.

- And it was just, it did, it's all their value on it. - Yeah, somebody did, I wanna say for, I wanna, you know, you say for it, but really it's a person. It's not the Ford of today.

- But some guy. - Would that be okay? - Cool, cool. - Yeah, investigators and lawsuits showed that pre-production crash tests had already revealed

his phone. - Wow.

“- But the car still went to market largely unchanged.”

Yeah, who told us about this? - Yeah, I'll check. - I kind of remember that. - It's one of our guests explained that to us and it was just like, oh God, wow.

- It's so dark. It's such a fucking dark evil thing to do to say, well, people are gonna die, but we'll just pay them off. - What's the number? - Yeah, what is the number?

- First of all, the car's sucked.

- Why'd you make it in the first place? - It's a terrible, ugly shoe. - Fucking, it's kind of what's cool now, but-- - No, it doesn't. - It's got the sun, sun deck, a garbage car.

- Garbage car. - So Coca-Cola would have people just like, if you were like a leftist leader running for whatever, they were worried that if that person got in power, they would unionize their population

and that would cost them more money in the plants. And they would just have people straight killed. Straight up, get 'em out of the way. - Well, it had people whacked. - Dole used to be the American Fruit Company.

- Have coconut smile. - They have people whacked. - James, I mean, look it up, but I know you say-- - You see, but we say, look it up. - It's probably an executive somewhere.

Probably an executive. - They did draw a big house, a card style who had some guy who was a fixer for 'em. - Right. - And he's like, look, these motherfuckers are causing problems.

And this guy was concerned with his job as whatever, CEO, executive. - But it's happened over a long period of time. They were given a might of, I think, FARC are something in Colombia after they were already labeled

like terrorist organization. They're still given a money. - For decades, Cocoa is faced several severe allegations. Regarding the murder and intimidation of union leaders, I've bottling plants in Colombian, Guatemala.

- They hired paramilitary death squad to suppress labor activism. That's like, oh, what? They want an honest, like, days pay, get rid of him.

“- You know, do you remember when Ross Peros,”

for president, you were chasing me? - I barely remember that sort of. - I was just starting to be aware of how fucked up politics were. And because he was on television,

explaining about the world trade organization, about when they were going to start opening up plants in Mexico and moving jobs to Mexico. He's like, what you're gonna hear is a giant sucking sound. We're all the money and jobs are gonna go down to Mexico.

And what we allowed during that time was essentially what the labor unions were doing in this country was making sure that people had a great wage because the corporations were getting paid well. So the CEOs wanted all the money,

like they always do, the corporation wanted all the money,

but you really can't make a Mustang unless you have the people that are on the assembly line. Unless you have the people that are doing all the hard labor and all the work, and they should get compensated correctly.

And so the auto unions workers organized it, and they went on strike and they did what they had to do, and they were making a great living. They were making a great living, and these people had a nice house and they had a car

and a garage and it felt good that they were getting paid really well. And so a lot of people thought, "Well, they're getting paid too well." And this is fucking up our minds.

- Wow. - Wow. - And so what, and I'm simplifying this, if you're a-- - Take time, I'm not a normal sort of,

- They did is just open up a plant in Mexico and pay people fucking slave labor, and they go over there and they pay them slave wages. And these people are making cars for like fucking, how much a dollar a day or something like that.

And instead of getting healthcare and retirement. And you know, and so-- - That's what we're talking about. The free market says go to Mexico. The moral market says, "No, no, no, no, no."

Well, let's just pay people what they deserve here. It's not just that, but they destroy Detroit. - That's right. - That's Roger and me, that documentary,

Michael Moore's greatest documentary is his first one,

is his best one, because it's really documenting an horrific attack on Detroit. And Flint, Michigan, and all those places up there were there's all these auto plants, and they all just went away, man.

And those jobs went away and now Detroit is. Detroit's kind of bouncing back down. He was talking about it brown, where he was just before COVID. It was like starting to be like some cool new restaurants, and like really coming back, then COVID kind of nailed it down.

“Again, and now it's, I think, back, going back up again.”

- You have some cool stuff in there. I mean, there's a bunch of companies that are like, proudly made in Detroit. - Underrated pizza. - The Detroit pizza.

- Oh, really? - Square. - Yeah, it's really good. - Yeah, it's interesting. - Yeah, crispy, like on every slice.

- Oh, okay. - 'Cause it's not thick crust square. It's like that thin crust square. It's just really good. It's not funny that we want it in a circle.

- I want it in a circle. - Why? - I don't know. - Hot. - It's weird.

- You get committed to it.

It's like, we don't get committed to that with a sandwich. Like, if I go to a Jewish deli and I get a square sandwich, I don't say, no, I want a little hooggy. I want it to look like a submarine. - That's the look right.

- Right, you know, like, no one cares. - No one cares, this shape. - No, but it's a really good sandwich. But some people do, like, if you give him a cheeseburger, but it's on bread, they're like, what is this bullshit?

- The fuck square bullshit. - I wanna grab a bun, mother fucker. - Yeah, I'm a rye bread. - Yeah, where is this? Rye bread is for--

- Mr. Trump? - Don't get me rye bread with a fucking cheeseburger, you communist. - Is my name Ruben?

“Why you give me something like, looks like a fucking Ruben?”

- Yeah, what is this? I give you buying a Italian sandwich. It has to come out a big old fucking hooggy rule. A chabata. You know, one of those big fucking seeded, yeah,

that's what you want. - All bread.

- It's weird that we want our pizza

to only be served. - And then it's weird, too, is you're not eating it in the round version. - Right. - You're eating it in this, we're triangle.

- Right. - You're eating a wedge. - Just a wedge. - That edge could be. - You know what I've seen that deeply deserves me?

- Oh no. - When people take a circular pizza and then they chop it up into a bunch of squares. I'm like, what have you done? - No, that's the highest dial.

- What would it? - Really? - That was work. - Or pub style. - Oh, so you split it up a little.

- Yeah. - That makes kindness sense, but not for a-- - If you bring one pizza into the bar, now the fucking 10 people can get a bite as opposed to it. - I guess the only other way is the pizza.

- The only other way is the pizza is like that thin, like real thin, like long, but that's not fun. - We also have an edge to edge toppings. - How many pizzas has Dave Portnoy sold? If you really stop and think about it.

- A lot. - Dave Portnoy is probably responsible for more pizza sales in this country than any other living human being. - Yeah, probably. - Yeah, 'cause I watch his pizza reviews,

I wanna go get a pizza. - He gives it to you honest. - Yeah, oh, he's very good at it. - Yeah. - I mean, he really loves pizza too, like you could tell, like this is a,

he's not making any money off of that. - Oh, he's really not. - No, just like some pizza. - He's a laborer of love, he likes it. It's fun for him, and it's become a thing.

And he gets an arguments with pizza places sometimes, like they yell at him, and he doesn't stand there. - Can't film it here, like throw it at him. - He throws it at him. - It's really kind of crazy.

- That's so great. - But I've gone to places because he recommended him. If I find out that I'm in a town and I know that there's pizza there, I'm like, what is port noise, thank you?

- Yeah, yeah, yeah, you want a local wreck. - Someone's done that with anything else, like what are the celebrities done that with any other kind of food where they go places and review it?

- There's a guy in New York, not a celebrity. He was his goal was to search out every single slice in New York, took him years, and then named the best ones. - Boy, how would you know?

How are you gonna compare a slice to a slice you had a year ago? - Right, I guess you gotta write, yeah, you're really gonna know. - How are you gonna know?

- You can instantly go, no. But yeah, anything that's good, you gotta go back and forth. - Possible, it's super subjective. - Obviously.

- Yeah. - You gotta go cheese. - Yeah. - You gotta pick out cheese to cheese. - Right, it has to be just plain cheese pizza.

- Which is a classic. - It's so good. I mean, other pizzas are great, but man, a really good plain cheese pizza, fucking phenomenal.

- Yeah. - Especially if it's done well.

“- Fresh out, here's the secret to, if you New York,”

underrated tip, I told Ruddy this, he's going to New York. The fact guy, so he's gonna wanna like get some tips, I was like, no matter what you were gonna get, just say, do you have anything fresh coming out?

And they say, it's gonna be like 10 or minutes, so it's okay, I'll wait. - It's like one, you go to crispy cream and they get the serve, the hot donuts,

- With that light's on. If I'm thinking about having it, when I at least delivered in LA, there was a crispy cream down street like it was on the way at home.

And if I drive by, if that fucking hot, the hot light was on, I'm like, I'm pulling the hot one. - So much better, they're warmed up. - It's so much better. Like when they come right out in the glazed ones

that are coming right out hot, they just dissolve in your mouth right there. - Oh, and good for you. - Oh yeah, it's better than vitamins. (laughing)

- Look at that, it cures diabetes. - You have all dough and you're like, let's put some, with sugar in it, like, let's put some, let's put some sugar on top. - It's fully overwhelmed your system.

“I remember I would eat them and then I'd go back to my house”

and I'd go, what's wrong with you? - What's wrong with you? - Why do you do this? - The fuck is wrong with you. - We've all been that.

- You fucking do the things. - It's wrong with you. - It's just so bad. 'Cause I would eat like a half a dozen too. I'd eat like six donuts.

I'd get, I'd always buy like a box

and I'd eat half the box. I'd buy like a box of a dozen. And I'd buy like chocolate cream filled and all the different ones. And I eat like six of them in my car.

- Right away. - Right away. - Then I'd get home and I'm like, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. (laughing) - Just poison. - And adults has learned nothing about his body.

(laughing) - 39 years old. - Sit in the couch. (laughing) (laughing) - When you had that after 23 years old,

you're like, what, you're hurting it, like I just feel at this pass, I feel at this pass, I feel at just like, for an hour. You're like, what a fucking loser. - You wanna fucking loser?

- Yeah. - You ate yourself into feeling bad. - I do that all the time. - Drinking, I get, it's up on you. - If I go to New York, every time I go to New York,

I eat myself into a coma. I eat myself way to, just way too fat. I get hurt, like where my stomach stretched out, so much it hurts, 'cause I've got so much food in there. I really can't fit anymore food.

And I look pregnant, my stomach sticks out. - You got burp, Ellie. - He looks so awful, and it's all swollen and bloated, 'cause it's all the pasta and bread. It's all the water and the wines, making an expand.

- It's kind of a thing straight. - Your body's like, bring everything into the stomach right now. - Yeah, you have no, like if I had a pass of spelling, be it, I'm fucked, I keep dips by like 40 points. Yeah, it's terrible.

I'm a glutton too, I have a real problem with like volume. I just, when I start eating, I'm like a dog, I just keep eating, I just can't stop. Like I'm good at not eating, like I can not eat for like 12 to 60 hours,

but when I sit down for a meal, I just, or when I'm ordering,

“I think it comes from being poor when I was a kid too.”

So it's like there's something about like wanting everything. I want it all, I want steak, I want pasta, I want this one, that one, that one, that one. And then start with mouth, mouth, mouth, mouth, mouth.

And then after, like you never learn, you fucking idiot.

- Yeah, and you're like, I've had about enough, and then you're like, one more bite, and then you're like, and now if we're talking, I'm gonna eat like two more full plates worth, as we're talking.

- Remember, we were in Atlanta once. This has happened more than once, but this one lady in Atlanta was like, almost arguing with me. - That's true.

- Yeah, we went to a diner in Atlanta after our show. And this, I ordered two things. I ordered like meatloaf and I ordered steak. And she's like, oh honey, that's too much food. I go, no, it's not.

I go, I'm gonna eat it all. And she's like, that is too much food. I go, you don't know, you don't know me. - I don't know you. - You don't know me.

I can consume, I will consume all of this. This is not a, I need this. What's the time for you to eat, you eat? - Especially also after shows, dude. Oh God, did you fucking long ass shows?

“- I brought you and Goldie once, a hot dog.”

I was just like, I was doing the early days of yours, not early, but like mid-level days and then high-level days. So I remember having more access than anyone could really get anymore.

- Oh yeah, you were behind me in the, (laughing) - At the time, when the camera was on you and Doug, and see you guys made out. (laughing)

- We were born. - They timed it. - So we noticed that. We noticed the camera was sitting right behind you. - So they could see the monitor.

So they were sitting behind me so they knew what the camera was doing. - So we're on that camera, that guy saw it. - They waited, and then they just got it right here. And in the middle, since the camera's on you guys just...

(laughing) (laughing) - Frosted died. Oh my God, this is the early, early days. This is probably like 2002 or something like that.

That was a way back in the day.

- I don't know, like, first of all, first we're giving it on.

- So Doug was being accused of being an illuminati. A lot better. (laughing) So he goes, oh, the camera, I mean, I got to do this thing. He goes, what? It's just to stoke the flames, so we'll just do this.

We'll do triangles. At some point, we made a big triangle with both our hands. (laughing) And then I think he said it. I don't know, it doesn't matter.

One of us said it, the other reacted. He'll say, "Hey, next time we got a kiss." And I was like, "Fuck, yes." I'm pretty sure it's not Dammit, yeah, you're right, we do. That was like, this is gonna be awful, but you have to.

people like your friends were kissing on the camera.

“And I just, I literally couldn't breathe out of the,”

oh my God, oh my God, I go show it to me, show it to me. I like made the guys in the truck, show me the video of it. Oh my God, this is so funny. - There was also like a wrestling moment or it was. There was a lot of wrestling in that fight

if I remember right. It's a long time ago, but there was a blog saying, from like an MMA blog saying, "To board bearded dudes, make it." - I'm like, "Here I go, here I go, you wanna see fight."

(laughing) (laughing) (laughing) Dude, you're gonna calm like a camera on you and we're like, let's go, we got this stuff.

- Especially like, you have six hours, six hours of fights. So there's all this time to think. And they're not all exciting. Some of them are fucking boring. And when they're boring, you gotta come up

with different ways to entertain yourself. - Yeah. - I knew. - Yeah. (laughing)

It was so fun.

You could see the one that was on it.

So like when those fighters are in front of us. - I don't know, I'm a picture. - I get watched to work. - It wants to work. - It wants to work.

- It was just on the work. - Go to it. - One time. - That was back when the UFC was like, no one was watching anyway. - You could just do whatever.

The weigh-ins was the best.

“We had a weigh-in in Florida and it was just like,”

only the camps kind of came in. And the tap-out guys, rest in peace. They'd come in there, which was one rest in peace. - Yeah. - Live well. But it was just like you'd be in there.

I remember once you were like, "Hey, all right, maybe I'll call you up to weigh it." (laughing) And you could just could. And you were like, "You wanna go now?"

All right. It was like, there was no rules that it was pretty wild. - Don't know what was going on. "Are you sure fear?" - And you just walked out.

- Yeah, you could do anything back then. And that was also a real weigh-in. That was when the guys actually would get on the scale. Now it's a ceremonial weigh-in. - Oh, really?

- Yeah, because now they weigh in in advance because they wanna give them more time to recover. - All right. - The whole thing's gross. They shouldn't be weighing in in it.

They shouldn't be cutting weight. - That's a casual fan. It's the most obvious one. They can weigh in at the event. - It's crazy.

I mean, we've had long discussions. So I had a discussion recently with Hunter Campbell, we were trying to figure out a way to blow up all the weight classes and make people fight it with their actual weight is. But you'd have to like show up in camp.

Like, you know-- - Get to the right. - Just act right away. - Way then. - I'll pound her to a below for safety.

- But it would have to be random. Like, they couldn't know you were coming. - Oh, like, the whole way through and that's to be it that way. - Just show up. What do you weigh?

Get on the scale. 185, bro. You're supposed to be fighting at 155. How the fuck are you 185? - It's done because you're not actually--

it's like having feel goals decide like an NFL game. It's like this is not-- This is like a minor part of the sport. - Right. - So that's like you're having a 185

or if I'm going to get five against a 160 pound. So you're not actually-- - Well, the things that are best of your class. - And in elite levels, they're all doing it. So it's everybody's cheating.

It's sanctioned cheating. It's not cheating because it's legal. - But it's rewarding guys who know how to cut better than guys who don't. And as a casual fan, that's not what we're into.

- It's also very, very logical. - Right. - So some people can cut weight very easily and some people, it's a fucking grind. And it's way more of a grind for women.

Women hold on to that water weight a lot harder than men do. So when a woman has to lose, like a woman has to cut like 20 times. - We do too. - Yeah man, they cut weight. But apparently it's way more brutal for them.

- Interesting. - Yeah. - It's fucking terrible.

They should have never been in there in the first place

and they should figure out a way to-- - Well, they didn't do high school wrestling when people fight like one, 12. That's just your weight or do you cut-- - Way in the day, the way in the day,

but it's still, you're still cutting weight. I, I, I, I, I used to wrestle at 128 and then I wrested eight. - Yeah, yeah. - A grown man. - I mean, I still, okay.

- And then, uh, 134. And then, I, because I couldn't really make 128 anymore and then when I started fighting in Taiwan, though, I fought, my first fights were at 140. That was when I was like 15, 16.

And then by, my last fight at 140, I was 17. And I was not 140. And I was starving myself, and I was cutting a bunch of water weight, and then I would fight dehydrated. - Like fighters. - But I, I did it one year.

- I only did it one year, and then I went up to 155, which was much better. That was easy, 'cause I didn't have to cut anyway. And I was way better then. - But that thing where they do in wrestling,

you're not getting hit in a head in wrestling, right?

“So it will deplete you, and so you have to make a decision--”

- Just like this. - How much am I gonna be depleted and wanna be the size bully and have a bigger frame and utilize it, but have depleted performance. Like how much, how good a shape would I have to be

and where that depletion only takes out a certain percentage of my ability. And so it's like this calculated thing. Like Kurt Engel, for instance. Kurt Engel, when he was a Olympic gold medalist,

Kurt Engel was a fucking monster,

“and he was beating guys way bigger than him,”

but he had so much energy because he didn't cut weight. And so he was wrestling against guys that did cut weight and he was dominating him. - Yeah, because he was full straight. - But they were bigger than him.

- They were bigger than him, but he had incredible skill,

also strongest fuck anyway, and had no depletion of his resources. Like his body was working at full capacity. - It's like quick, but Simon is in the prime. He was just fighting anybody. (laughing)

- He was just fighting anybody. Oh, tiny little man, it's like a fatty body. - He got attacked on stage, it stitches. - Yeah. - And the guy got crushed. He attacked him, and they fucking some brawl broke out,

and the Bowser's got him, they take the guy away, and then Greg gets on the microphone. Didn't even end the show. Gets on the microphone, he goes, "Anybody else wants over this?" (laughing)

(laughing) - It was great, he finished his set. - Wow. - He finished his great composure, kept it together, finished his set.

- Fucking fun dude. - Wow. (laughing) - But they should, they really should ban weight cutting,

“but the only way they're really ever gonna be able to do that”

is to make more weight classes.

- There's not enough weight classes. - And that's then you'll have that with, I don't understand enough to talk about it. - I think boxing has-- - But boxing, don't you have 18 weight classes?

- Yeah, they should have some like, who cares weight classes? - Yeah, so they're sorta-- - And if you really wanna get known, you gotta move up or down to one of the majors.

- Well, you know what's weird, like 160's, a huge weight class, 147, a huge weight class, big giant fights. Cruiserweight, which is like, between light heavyweight and heavyweight, no one gives a fuck about.

- Wow, why? - It's weird, it's just weird. Nobody gives a shit about the cruiserweight champion. Like, U-SIC, before we became the heavyweight champion, was the cruiserweight champion,

and people cared about him just 'cause he was so skillful, but he had to go up to heavyweight before people cared. But if he was a light heavyweight, he'd been here. - They all came on. - It's weird.

- It's weird. - Very weird. But I think boxing--

How many weight classes is boxing at professional boxing?

- I wanna say there's 18. Whereas in the UFC, there's only eight. - It's a big difference. - It's a big difference. You can follow champions better.

- Yeah. - But it's also, it's like--

“- Even when Mighty Mouse came in, it was like,”

you have this dominant guy coming in to really launch the weight class. But people like, we don't have this weight class. So we're less interested in you than we should be. - Well, the people have a thing about tiny people. They look at a small guy who's like five, three,

and weighs 125 pounds in like, nah, we don't say-- - Reven teen here. - 17. - Reven said the 135ers and 125ers, they should have to come into the Octagon on little mini horses

and fly a little right around a couple times. (laughing) - So rude. - It's so rude. - So what was also interesting is like,

fly weight women, like Valentina Shepchenko, it's one of the premier weight classes in the women's division. - Because it's heavy for a woman, normal size. 125ers are gonna normal weight. It's like a man fighting at 160.

Or, you know, 170, it's normal. Weird. - Yeah. - It's weird, but there's not enough weight classes and they should have fixed that a long time ago.

There's giant gaps, like the gap between 185, which is middle weight and then 205, which is light heavyweight. - That's crazy. - That's a big one. - It's a giant leap.

- And then everything else. - Well, not even. That's what's even better. You get to heavyweight at 265. That's the cutoff for heavyweight.

So you have to weigh 265 or under. - That's my favorite weigh-ins, 'cause there's still wearin' their jeans. I don't really think I'm inside a range. - Yeah, they don't give a fuck.

But the ceremonial weigh-ins is what we have now. So when someone weighs in now, they've already weighed in the morning in an official scale in front of, you know, doctors and state reps.

- They give my chance to come back here. - Yeah, athletic commission checks them out. - It's something they just suck a bunch of water down and electrolytes and they slowly rehydrate over the floor. - What do you mean by those?

- Yeah. - They have to do it slowly. - The science is so crazy behind it. - Heavyweight division is older than the United States. - Wow.

- Wow. - Officially, 1738. - Wow. - Waitin' as much as they want. - Wow.

- There we go. - So heavyweight was weighed, they weighed 160 plus. Since the division's no way-- - 60 plus? - Yeah, people are tiny back there.

- Oh yeah. - You know, Rocky Marchino was like one on the great, heavyweight of all time. He weighed 185 pounds. So Rocky Marchino, the heavyweight champion of the world,

one of the greatest of all time, weighed 15 pounds less than me. - Wow. - Yeah. - And then that's-- - It's so different.

If you ever look back at a fact guy from like Chris Farley types or whatever, you're like, you're just a little big. - Yeah, it's like-- - You're almost free. - You're almost free.

- Look at these guys back then, where they wore diapers and shit, like what's that, what do you wear? What's that thing around your waist? - What is that?

- The wife of blood. - And they all fought bare knuckle back then too.

- Well, they just broke their hands a lot.

“They threw a lot of punches to the body back then,”

because they didn't want to break their hands on people's heads. - That was the biggest, the fence back then, the brides and the heath and heath and heath. - Yeah. - And make a bunch of one of the head and brace.

- Lower your head. - And then they all boxed like this, too. Well, they would throw their knuckles out like that. - Wow. - Because if you would just blast someone,

you could blast someone like that if you have gloves on and hand wraps. - Stockton Slap would have gone a long way back then. - Oh, yeah. - It would have been legendary.

Slap them, yeah. - It's funny how things change and then how they go back to, 'cause now bare knuckle boxing is making a huge drag back. - He's driving back. - He's chest boxing.

- Oh, yeah, I've seen that. - Yeah, it's ridiculous. - It's beautiful. - It's beautiful. - It's beautiful.

- They go play five minutes. - If you're a good boxer, like you have a massive advantage, like I just got a concussion, he doesn't even know what the knife does. - He's like, you can't move that, I'm like, ah fuck.

- Oh my goodness, idea that was, we're kind of fucking psychopath. Who wants to combine those things? - Yeah. - It have to be people that aren't their good at boxing

and aren't their good at chest. 'Cause there's so many flat lines you and send you to the hospital, you're not playing chess afterwards. - Yeah.

- So it has to be people that kind of suck at boxing. - Kind of suck at boxing. - 'Cause if you really like my Tyson somebody, you fucking kale and they have to get carried out in the stretcher. Well, then you buy fault one by default,

one the chest as well, 'cause they can't even play. - Yeah, just dusty boards.

“- You have to take them to the hospital.”

- How are they gonna play chess? - I don't even know if they're the rules there. - You have to have a minimum of 1800 in chess to be a competitor. - What is that?

What's 1800? - I would imagine pretty good. - Is that a score? What does that mean? - The scores and chess?

- Like a golf hanging handicap. - Yeah, it's something like that. - Wow. - So what does like Magnus Carlson, the guy there was on the podcast?

What does he have? What's his rating? Let's see, I'll just type this. - Please poke her to this. - Does he?

- He's been a top five to 10. - Super smart dude. - Yeah, super smart guy. - He's one of those dudes you talked to him. There's a lot working on behind those eyes.

So if you were high around that guy, you'd probably get weirded out. - He read my soul. - You're an alien. He said 2840.

- Go, go, go, go. - Wow, wait for this. - What is the highest ranked chess player alive? - Good question, Joe. - Good, thank you.

- That'd be him. - Oh really? - Yeah, he peaked that 2882 of the highest in history. - That's crazy. That is crazy.

“- What about that skits out, Jew turned Arab, whatever his name is?”

- Which guy? - Which guy? - The fucking boy, the boy he wants to get so. - Skits out, Jew turned Arab. - Yeah.

- What about Bobby Fisher? - I think he's not. - Yeah, I got it. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. (laughing)

- Translated. Oh yeah, he became like very anti-Semitic, right? - I don't know. - Very close, 2785. - So, Magnus is better than him.

- Yeah, I mean, if Magnus is the best ever. - Yeah, Magnus ever, okay. - He's a fucking super genius. So what happened with Bobby Fisher? So this actually has some rated maybe one point below,

Magnus is peak 2881, one year performance it says. - Bottom Fisher? - Yeah, it's based off of who you're playing, when you're playing them and how old like, you know, good day at the time.

- It's like golf, it's like who's in the tournament. - Yeah. - Yeah, but that happens, like pool has ratings. They have a Fargo rating. And they also do it per game.

Like there's this guy, he just died recently. Chang Jonglin, and he's just due from Taiwan. And he played at a thousand. A thousand was his, for one game. - He couldn't get it.

- Not for one game, excuse me, for like one match. - What would he have to give to you or to me? - Oh, a big pointless, he just destroyed us.

- Just as soon as you, he never missed.

- He was like, make a ball on your win. - There's another guy, who's also from Taiwan, coping chung, and he played an entire match where he never missed a ball. He won 11 to nothing against another world-class player.

- Get it, who lost a coin flip to start? - Yeah, he lost their lag, their lag. And I think-- - That's it, the guy didn't touch the kid. - He broke and left a long shot on the one ball.

And the guy missed that, and he never made a ball. Not, he didn't make one ball. He didn't tie every-- - It was a couple of times when it goes first, yeah. - There's a couple of times when it breaks.

So every time he broke, and he was making the one ball on the side, like every game. And every time he didn't have a shot, he would just play a lock-up safety. And the guy would kick, and then leave a shot,

and then he would run out again. He would just see, he got just got in the zone. So he played it a 1,000 fargo for the entire match. That's crazy. That means he never missed a ball on four-inch pockets.

- Oh, really tight. - Tiny little pockets. - There's people that are like--

- It's amazing how big pool is to across the world

and bill your it's to-- - Yeah. - In Asia. - Asia, dude, do you find people just an overhang? So it doesn't get wet, and they're all out there playing.

And it's just like flip-flops. - Well, we're losing a lot of the top Taiwanese and Chinese players to a game that they play in China now.

It doesn't look like a pool table.

Like the pockets aren't cut the same way they're rounded, but they're playing nine ball. And they're playing with like purses. We're like top, top person, like $600,000 for a tournament, $700,000 for $700,000.

So they're all going over there and playing in that. Because you can make millions in a year. Instead of a couple hundred grand, which is like with the best players making a marathon. - So I remember going to a fucking rush

to play basketball until now. - Until now. - Well, just don't bring lead. - I'm gonna just, I mean, just don't bring weed. - The thing is like--

“- But also, I think we're all doing this basketball.”

A lot, apparently. I'm not a basketball player, clearly. But, Leary, you couldn't keep score. - Me and Muggsy Boat. - Yeah.

- That's a good reference. - Yeah. - But weed apparently is phenomenal for basketball players. Like, they all talk about, like I've talked to basketball players, but we, they say I can play way better when I'm high.

- Well, they had the-- - They feel it. - They collect a bargaining, not a late one, but like, 20 years ago, and they're like, we can test for drugs, but they fought back to go, not weed.

So if you get caught with weed, sure, you can suspend us, but you can't test for it, because why we're all doing it. - Yeah, they're all doing it, and it helps the game. Like, it helps their fee. - It helps pool for sure.

- It's a poker for sure for sure. - Oh, I don't imagine you've read people's tells. - Yeah. - According to World's knicker tour figures, more than 24.5 million unique viewers watched the third session

of the final alone in China. And during the whole 2025 tournament, headed a cumulative audience of 180 million in a national broadcast from here. - That's like an NFL playoff.

- 24 million watched the finals of this.

“What's, what's, it's like a billion for Super Bowl, right?”

- Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - But that's snooker, or like the... - That's not English. - That's not English. - It's snooker, so snooker is very different. And it's on a 12-foot table.

It's a huge table, and the balls are very small, and they don't have numbers on 'em. It's just like red and yellow. - Red and yellow. - Red, black, pink. It's mostly red, it's red, it's in the stack,

and then you have black, pink, brown, and I think there's another,

I've never played the game.

I fucked around with it when I was in Scotland, they had a table, and I was like shooting balls on it. It's interesting. - Columbia, they all play this thing, and it's kind of... - Three cushion billiards.

- Yeah, and it's, they take their cue and move us, a thing over, like a scorer, or anything, keep playing and move one over, and they're all playing it, and they're just kind of casual bars, but it's like 20 tables, and they're everywhere.

- And this is where there's no holes in the table, right? - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, that's called three cushion billiards. - And that's it, they're in Washington, right? - It's a fun game. I don't know how to play it really well.

- Strategy. - Strategy. - Well, it's really underst, it's definitely strategy, but it's really understanding angles. It's understanding how to kick, and how to, like, but when I say kick, what I mean is go off a rail

and hit another rail, and then collide with the ball. So three cushion billiards is, you have three balls on the table, that's it. And so you have the whole table, it's like a big ass pool table, but there's no pockets, and you have three balls.

“And so what you have to do is hit one ball,”

and then go three rails at least, three cushions,

and then hit the second ball, yes.

But also put yourself in a position where then you can make another shot afterwards. - Right, or place safety. - It's a complicated game, and it's different, because it's a lot of it's spin, and the harder you hit it,

the shorter the angle is, and if you hit it with English, it spins out wider or shorter, depending upon what you're trying to do with it, but if you get good at it, it really will help your pool game, because you'll really have a much more deep understanding

of how the ball moves around the table with different speed and side spin, and all that kind of shit. I've only fucked around with it though, and that not in a long time. We had a table at executive billiers and white planes.

We used to have a one three cushion table, they would fuck around on-- - Don't just play it for laughs. - I couldn't do it, I just, I want to see the balls go away. - It's nice.

- I want to see what I'm doing here. - Fire ball in, I want to see it go down that hole. Bye-bye, I want to clear it out. - I don't want balls linger and just staring at me like-- - Do it again, do it again, do it again, I'm still here.

Do it again, funny that that became a bar sport. It's really just darts in that, became the sports at bars. - Sure. - And the table takes up a lot more space. - That dart board, yeah.

- Darts board is sure, but the pool table, you need to like some space. - Yeah, and that space is totally not usable other than that. That's where it is, unless it grows dancing on it. - Yeah.

- I went to it, I went to it, this is like pool hall slash, like sombo place in somewhere in Brazil. - What? - Pool and sombo? - Yeah, it's like daily, it's a pool hall,

but then at night it turns into sombo and the highest level guys coming, they're capital and they're music capital. It's so fun, but these guys don't stop playing pool. And so everyone's dancing, it's so packed and crowded,

excuse me, and you're like, the etiquette is, you just know when you're in a bar, like, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right. But you want to be like, bro, not just, it's packed.

- Yeah, you can't play pool there, but they were doing it. - Well, there's a place in the Bronx

“that is this Dominican pool room where they gamble big money.”

And they stream some of the matches on YouTube and it's fucking bananas, because people are just talking constantly, they're yelling at each other in Spanish. - Yeah. - You know, Dominican people are having fun.

- They're having fun.

- There's always Spanish speaking and they're yelling

and they're all very flamboyant and having a good time. And they get people to go over there and play pros and they get so rattled, because they're not used to that. - Right. - Wow, play this turf.

- Right, not only that, but the guys can play and they're accustomed to that culture. So they're accustomed to all the yelling and all the craziness and guys standing in front of the hole while you're shooting at it, which is a no-no,

and regular one. - Oh, that's like high school. - Yeah, do it then, do it. - They don't do it that bad, but it's not that bad, but there's plenty of guys moving around the table. They're all talking, everyone's yelling.

The tables next to you are yelling. They don't care if you're betting $30,000 on a set. - Dominican's having so much fun. They're allowed to use the end word. (laughing)

Blacks are like, you know what? They kind of rule, give it to 'em. Just a minute ago. - Just a minute ago. (laughing)

- Let it go. But it's really interesting because I've watched guys who are like top pros go over there and fucking lose to guys that they're not supposed to lose to. And the reason why they're losing is

is they're just rattled by the environmental. And so a lot of these guys will do the put air pods on. So they'll put air pods in with the noise canceling. So they'll try to take away some of the fucking sound

and just focus, but you're really going to be playing at like 60% of your capacity. Because it's just too much chaos going on. If you play in a real legit pool tournament, everything's dead quiet while the guys down on the ball.

And then they clap when someone makes the ball with any moves to the next shot. They stop clapping. - Yeah, two respects. - Yes, but not these fucking pool,

these guys are playing for big money. They're playing for tens of thousands of dollars. And they're just getting sharks and rattles. - The owner blood. - I watch guys like, I watch this guy,

Oscar Dominguez play this dude. Oscar's a top pro who's on the Moscone top cup. Who's on the Moscone team for the US. And he was over there playing this dude. I'm like, how did they get him to go there?

- Wow. - I'm talking about Jeremy Jones. - Jeremy Jones rap, too. It's like the guys who do Burning Man, the DJ's like, I'll play for free.

It's just like it's a rap thing. - Well, I don't really care about that. - I think it's the money. Oscar loves to gamble and he's going to a place where someone's willing to gamble him

for a lot of money. - Well, you say he's saying about Jones, I'm gonna listen all like, go to piss. - Go to piss, go to piss. - We'll pause, we'll pause.

We'll be right back, ladies and gentlemen. - I'm not gonna stay the whole thing. We'll pause. - We're back, folks. - We're back.

- So I was saying there's my friend Jeremy Jones who was US Open Champion. He said he went to that pool hall once

and he said I'm never going back.

- Too much. - Too much. Too much, and he's also said that the neighborhood is like, things can go sideways. - Wow. - It's the neighborhood where like, hey,

you might go there at three nights in a row and you have a good time.

“Fourth night, four people get shot, you know what I mean?”

- That was always a problem, underground pool. - I have poker rooms. - Oh, yeah. - You play a play in commerce or a place like that's legit. It's fine, you go on the ground and like,

there's not, there's a guard there. - Right, and you'll walk it out with a lot of money. - I remember when you were struggling in the early days of comedy when we kind of first met and you were making your money by winning

or poker tournaments. - Yeah. - You would go to this. - Yeah, you would go to these CEOs and make, and you would play it like a job. You'd be like super serious.

- Everett books on it? - Yeah. - The best book. I'll fold it, there's tales and there's strategy. The best, my favorite book is this guy, Mike Carrow.

His book called, "My Carrow's Book of Poker Tells." - Yeah, I managed to use one of it once, in a world series event. That if this is the one where it goes, if someone looks at your chips,

it's because they have a killer hand and they think those chips are theirs. And it's just like, you know where you lie? You look away a little bit. That's like a tell wheel, kind of no.

- So you look at the chips.

- You look at it just for a second, you're like,

and just 'cause you're like those are mine, you're not worried about your chips, 'cause you know your chips are staying. You got a full house, you know those are safe. But you're looking at those like, how much of that can I extract?

So I was throwing a bluff down against a pro at the World Series, it was like whatever. And I was like, I think he must have read this book. And so I'm banking on that. So I'm holding my bluff, nothing hand.

And I just kind of do a varied subtly, just do one little, and he goes, yeah, right, and he chucked his hand away. - Wow. - Yeah, he thought he had me read.

“But the best thing about my carols is the tell.”

- You double crossed. - I double crossed. - Ooh, I double crossed. - I don't have anything to recognize in that. - I love that.

- Love a double crossed. - I love that, that's cool. - That's a cool thing about poker, that it's like, a lot of it's bullshit. You're bullshitting, you know?

- You tell you, you're bluffing. - The best thing about the poker tells us is written the 70s. And there's a bunch of raced, race-based tells.

- Yeah, like if a... - Which ethnicities? - All, all of them.

“- If an older white man re-raises you, get out.”

That guy doesn't bluff.

He's just trying to play, you know, his wife died years ago.

He's just trying to understand. But like if you're playing against a Mexican, find out when payday is. And if it was this Friday, they're bluffing. They're just throwing in anything.

They just want to play. They're going to park with their monies. There's a whole thing on blacks. I forget exactly what they were saying on that. But it was like, very interesting.

- What year was this written? - I think in the 70s. - Interesting. Back when you could be honest. - Yeah, he was like, I don't know.

- I was just telling you it all. - On the family days. (laughing) - Yeah. (laughing)

You can't wait. There's a lot of, like, honest observations about different cultures. Mike Carroll's book of poker tells Oriental. - Oriental.

- Oriental.

- It's a very silly, or very luck Oriental.

- I like it says it now, Asian Americans. Like, what happened to Oriental? - What happened to Oriental? - So much to him is that Oriental is like a slur now. - But it's actually the right word.

- Is it the Oriental? - It's people or goods from the Oriental. You know what the opposite is? - What? - You and I, oxidental.

People or goods from, I guess, not the Oriental. - Really? - Yeah, oxidental? - Mm-hm. - It's also interesting.

It's like Asian, Asian is so much of the world. - Yeah. - Like, Asian includes India, which is Asian. - Nah, if I was president, executive order. That's, no, no.

That's not who we're talking about. That's not who we're talking about. - Is it Pakistan, in Asia? - Yeah, right. That's Middle East, fuck off.

(laughing) Fuck off. You know, Israel's also Asia, by the way. - But it's also, like, the Philippines is Asian. - That's Asia.

- But it's, I'll give you that. - Okay, but it's way over there. - It's way over there. - And then you got China, and then you got Japan,

“and then you got Korea and South Korea and North Korea?”

- Okay, let's be real. China, Japan, are the obvious ones. - Yes. - That's Asia. - Those are the big ones.

- The further you get the Korea. - Korea is also one. - Korea, okay. Vietnam, you're still in the gold. - Vietnam, get gold.

- Korea, I don't know. - Well, they're almost Russian. - Saudi Arabia is Asia, fuck off. We're talking about China and their subsidiaries. - Look how big Asia is.

Cambodia, okay, sure. All the jungles, wow. - I don't know if I bet. - So Russia's technically Asia, that's Asian Russia. - Israel is the craziest one.

- I cut off right here 'cause it's about European Russia too. - Oh, okay, so there's Asian Russia, so that would be Siberia, right? - The Maldives are. - But that would be like Mongolia for sure.

Kazakhstan is Asia, wow. - Yeah. - Mongolia. But a lot of the Kazakhstan guys look Asian. Like you guys shop, rock, rock, rock, rock.

Who fights in the UFC? - Mongolian accent is crazy 'cause it really is. It sounds like half Chinese half Russian. They look Chinese, speaking like the Russian accent. - Hard people, bro.

Hard people. Kazakhstan, India, Iran. Iran is Asia, wow. - Israel's Asia. - Israel's Asia.

- Israel's Asia.

- Yeah, basically everything, that's on the other side.

- All those people are Oriental. - Oriental's, next time I go to Jerusalem, I'm gonna call them all Oriental's. - Look how close Yemen is to Ethiopia. A Phil's, I can get swim there.

- Yeah. - We're really, we're motivated.

“- Yeah, if you want to, you just go to a pool also.”

- Hey, look where Israel is. Look where Israel is. - That's so interesting. - That's so interesting. - It's the alley split shut up.

- Israel's like, that's what's nuts. Do you ever see the border between Egypt and Palestine? That border is nuts. - It's me. - Oh my god, it's the most fortified border you've ever seen in your life.

If you think the border between Israel and Palestine is rough. - Really? - Yeah, the border between Egypt and Palestine is way harder to get. - They do not want those people to find that. - They do not want those people to find that.

- Those people over there. You ever see it? - Fucking rolls of barbed wire. - Wow. - Yeah, look at that.

- Was that just catch a baby being thrown over? Click on that one, please, it says the Arab weekly on the top. - Yeah, right there. - Look at that, look at that. - Wow.

- Are you getting through that? - What a nice place to stroll for those two guys. (laughs) - Just to relaxing after new needs of Gaza Wall. - Look at that, that's crazy.

- Sad times. - Oh, the saddest. The saddest. - It's the Middle East. - Yeah, good luck.

- Yeah, they're all nuts. - Wow, it's even more nuts now. It was happening in Lebanon. Now they're bombing Lebanon too. - Really?

- Yeah, oh my god. - Oh, I knew this. - These are all bombin' the shit out of southern Lebanon. - Lebanon. - Yeah, I was reading about this.

Ryan Grimm was covering this Lebanon reporter, this reporter in Lebanon that Israel killed. They followed her with drones.

She ran into an abandoned building

and then they bombed the shit out of the building. And this took hours. And all the while, she was contacting like whoever runs Lebanon and they were contacting Israel and saying, "Hey, this is the reporter."

And so then they got text messages between, like this, someone from the idea if it had been saying to them, we're gonna kill you. And then they got the number from her phone and contacted the person from the idea

and they're saying, "Hey, she works for Hezbollah and fuck you and you're naive, it's crazy." Like they're just openly killing journalists. - They did a good job and when I was traveling, they got it more than up here.

Separating Israel from Jew. They really were like, "Wow, what about any problem with Jews?" But they were like very staunchly like Israeli. - Yeah. - Well, if you live in Israel,

you have to do military service, right? So everyone who lives in Israel

is a part of the military in their eyes.

Like everyone who lives in Israel has served in the military. - It's interesting though, it's like a lot of those kids and then turned to adults are like very against what they're doing.

- Oh yeah. - It's like an uncovered, I think, part of it. Like, okay, we don't like those. I mean, half this country are more, even didn't vote for Trump, didn't vote for Biden.

- Right. - I don't like this, but they used to like,

“you have to like be pro everything about this thing.”

Even though you're like, you can not like certain things. - Right, the idea that like all Israelis have a single hive mind, that's crazy. That's not the case in any country ever. - It's not the same, it any crowd.

- Especially a democracy. Because Israel's like literally the only democracy over there, really. - Yeah, and they have parliament too, so there's a lot of choices.

- And they're trying to like prosecute Netanyahu. Wow, all this is going on. - Who is Israel? - Yeah, wow. - I mean, this was one of the things

that most people aren't aware of, but that before October 7th, there was hundreds of thousands of people on the streets in Israel protesting Netanyahu. We talked about it the other day,

because they were trying to expand, but this was before the war. - Right, right. - So they were trying to expand what they can do in terms of like, with their constitution.

We talked about it. What was the exact chamey do you remember? The exact thing that they were disputing over, but it was expanding the power that the government has. And so people were protesting that,

and then also not by October 7th, pops off, pop out of support, yeah, and then, you know. - So I happened here at 9/11. It became like, if you say anything bad now, you're like a trader, instead of just like,

well, I was already saying they have issues with, you know, police overstepping or whatever, like, well, now you can't say that for about three years. - Oh yeah, yeah. So before October 7th,

Israel experienced nine months of massive sustained protest against Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's government largely driven by opposition to proposed judicial reforms. These demonstrations was included hundreds of thousands

of participants accused the right wing coalition of undermining democracy, weakening the Supreme Court and attempting to interfere with Netanyahu's ongoing corruption. - Yeah, and so that's the same as here,

“where it's not about like, are you pro gay marriage or not?”

Or are you pro, like, peace of Palestine or not? That's just people taking power. And so that goes beyond the right or left, and there's go, no, no, that's an overstepped. - Yeah.

- Yeah, it's, but it's only blocked. - Yeah. - It's fucked 'cause it's not gonna get any better. - It's not. - And they've destroyed Gaza, Gaza is just a wasteland now.

I mean, someone got to get posted recent video of Gaza, like what it looked like now, like right now, they sent it to the throne or something to get video footage of what Gaza looks like. It's crazy, it's crazy.

It looks like they dropped a nuke. They just did it slowly. Instead of dropping one nuke, they did thousands of fucking conventional bombs and did the kind of destruction. - It's interesting if you ask people

how it's polarizing, everybody got a polarized, and you couldn't just be like, "Ah, any sufferings wrong." But like, I could show you a dead baby. And a lot of people will go,

well, I know what their last name is first,

before I can tell you if I feel bad or not. - Right. - Instead of just like, that's cool.

“- I don't know, that's what you're all like about it, yeah.”

- That's just so dark. And then if you talk about what's happening to Gaza, people say, "Well, October 7th, it shouldn't happen." Like, okay, you're right, it shouldn't have. But guess what?

Those kids that live in Gaza, they didn't do what they were doing to Gaza. - They didn't do it. - So, like, we're on their team, it's like, I don't know.

- But we did to Iran. What if Iran neaks New York City? Those kids that live in the Bronx, they had nothing to do with what happened in Iran. So like, is that okay?

Like, what are we talking about? - This is a mess. - It's fucking nuts, it's the tribal warfare, it's fucking bananas, it's still going on. - Well, it talks to people when I knew,

like, cousins and stuff in the military, and they were just gotten out. And they were like, "We're all now, this is before, October 7th, it's a few years before, maybe 2018." They're like, "We're talking now 'cause they have the internet now."

and we don't want to keep doing this." - Right.

“- We've got to start, figure out a piece thing.”

And then that's all gone now. - It's all gone. - Yeah. - No, no, it's all gone. But now that they've started bombing Lebanon,

everybody's really terrified, 'cause they're like, "Well, where's this going?" 'Cause they're bombing Christian villages in Lebanon. And there's video of them destroying the solar panels, that these Christian villages have in Lebanon,

whether they're just plowing over and using tractors to take down the solar panels. - Part of it goes to like-- - This isn't the military, like, what do you do? - Yeah, it still goes back to like Wesley Clark,

if I'd got that right, where they're like, there's seven countries, and Iran was on there, and we just hadn't gotten there yet. - Oh yeah.

- But that was always like, that's not a new thing,

that was just in the works for a couple decades, it's just waiting for the time is right. - Yeah, they wanted to do it within five years, so it took 25. - Took long.

- Yeah, the Wesley Clark thing is funny, because, you know, Dave Smith had a debate with Coleman, he used about that, and Coleman uses like, but Wesley Clark never said he read the memo, he said someone told him about the memo,

because any historian would not even be able to use that. - Oh, I thought they said they had this. - I don't know. - Yeah, I don't know. I don't think so.

“I think the way Coleman was describing it,”

but the reality is, okay, yeah, you might be right, maybe because he hadn't read it, any historian would not have been able to use it in the book, but the fact that it all took place, exactly how the memo stated that the scene's relevant.

- And that came up before, so they were like, "Hey, we're going to Iran soon,"

and then they did, Syria, they kept trying.

Syria was the best to me, because when Obama was doing it, and I don't care who's in charge, they're all doing the same shit, to me. But they go, "We gotta go in there to overthrow this dictator, and then a people would just come off the whole Middle Eastern

"like, no, we're done, and so they couldn't justify it." And then they go, "Hey, this is an insurgent group, "and they're gonna get you out of hand. "We gotta go in and control them." And then I would say, "Wait, you wanna go fight the guy

"who's fighting against Assad?" And then that ended, and they go, "No, we gotta take that on Assad." And it's like, "You can really seem like you guys "want to go in this area."

"I'm looking for any sort of excuse." - Ugh, it's all crazy. - I have politics to stupid, let's move on. - It's like it. - It is gross. - Yeah.

- Yeah, your perspective is probably the healthiest to stay out of it. Stay out of it. - Stay out of it. - Leave me alone. Fuck you, live my life.

But the thing is, like, some of it does affect your life. Like this psychedelic drugs thing. - Okay, so in that moment, where you got fucking, maybe hopefully, trumes legalized, you know, in an ideal world is a very rare case

of someone who can actually accomplish change. - And you're very higher level than most people in terms of influence, both personally and broadly. - But also the individual, like him, like most people wouldn't do it that way.

Like if I was friends with Obama, this isn't a fucking chance in hell. I could have gone to Obama and said, "Hey, dude, "you know what'd be cool? "If you got eye-begining legalized,

"it would keep all these people that are addicted to, "he could have done that decades ago." Everyone could have done that. They've known about eye-begining forever. And they've also known about the pill crisis forever.

So all this stuff was common knowledge amongst plenty of people. They mean John Hopkins has been doing these studies. - John Hopkins is a playlist for shrumes and M.D.MA. They make a playlist for you. - They do.

- That you can like, this is a good M.D.MA, or I forget which one, shoes play list. - Is it like John Hopkins like sanctioned it, or someone who-- - Yeah, no, someone who's doing--

- No, no, no, I prefer Fesser. Or someone like that, in the research they're doing. - In the psilocybin, it was all psilocybin, right? - And not--

“- I think John Hopkins was all psilocybin.”

- Yeah, they're all like trying to let the way. They have a playlist so you can get it's on Spotify. - And then people have been aware of it for so long. Inside the John Hopkins psilocybin playlist. - Wow, this is 2020.

- I'm always amazed when my memory turns out to not be false.

- Look at that guy, he looks like he's tripping. - He looks like he trips. - He's like an old dude who's tripped all those people. - He gets a smile. - That guy's tripped.

- That guy's not working for insurance money. - Loosen his tie. - Bill Richards looked like he's tripped. - Psychologists and researcher. They should put researcher in quotes.

- Psychologists researcher in former director. - I think it is as non-verbal, a non-verbal support system sort of like a net for a trapeze artist. It falls going well. You're not even aware the net is there.

You don't even hear the music. But if you start getting anxious, or if you need it, it's immediately there to provide a structure. Oh, Bill, you tripped hard. - When I was doing Iowa, I was getting the guy

who was like, this shaman guy was like beating a drum very lightly. And if you come out of it, whatever, it's like, boom, boom, it would kind of like pull you back into it. - Seven hour and 40 minute playlist.

Boy, those guys go, oh, make sure. - Symphony of sorrowful songs. Hey, don't do that, don't you beat sorrowful songs on tripping. - Try to have about time. - Yeah, what a year.

I wonder if you think about your grandmother's death. - No, no, no, no, no.

Like it's gonna be this emotional, like spiritual thing. I'm like, that gets hyped more. You're gonna laugh with your friends. - Yeah. - That's the main thing.

“- There's gonna be, I mean, it depends on the dose, right?”

Like a heavy dose will bring you to a very strange place. - Dude, I had a mushroom trip all the time on this trip. - Yeah. - Of all time.

- Yeah, maybe maybe the first one.

- The Muhammad Ali of mushroom trips. - Yeah, it wasn't like it was crazy hard. It was just their fresh. And it was just like the thoughts and it was just places where nobody really gave a fuck.

So you didn't feel like they were like a drug addict. - Mm. - And just like, yeah, just seeing everything so clear. - Yeah, mushrooms fucking rule. You just see everything so clear.

It kills the you and your brain. - What kills the bullshit part. - Yeah, and so you go like, look at this behavior. And it's the same as analyzing someone else's behavior or your own, there's the same.

- That's a part of one of the problems that comes with living a stressful life is that you get really wrapped up in yourself. Like you're managing yourself, you're managing your thoughts, you're managing your,

whatever you're trying to do. And then you think so much about you that a thing like that can take you out of that and you go, oh, what am I wasting my thoughts on this for? Why am I wasting my energy on this?

It's so pointless. It's not helping me at all. - You see people, it's my father for like who he really is. It's not just like a loving caring granddad and we're like, oh, what a fucking cool guy

that I always saw is like this guy I grew up with.

And then just like man. Yeah, and just like realizing like I'm doing the stuff he did like going, you know, starting a new life. He did the same shit coming to America and it's like, wow, what a,

look at it, separately from your father. Like that's a cool guy. - You talked about having your father come on this podcast to talk about his experience as a Holocaust survivor. - He would, he would go.

- Oh, does he know? - It's about to be 90, still with it though. He's not like a feeble. - That's awesome, you know. - What do you do it?

- He would do it, he loves getting the word out. - How old was he when he was in camps? - Young, single digits. And maybe up to, I think maybe released at 12. Yeah, he would do it, he would love it.

Because he works at the Holocaust Memorial as a toast and or something. And he has a tattoo and everything. Does he have a tattoo? - I don't think so.

- Well. - He wasn't in a death camp, he was in a work camp. I believe his, I believe his, my grandfather, his dad was in, was liberated from a death camp. But yeah, so I, you should talk to him.

He would actually love it. He loved getting the word out. I've seen him make speeches before. There's all these inner city kids from my Kansas City. You know, and then when they hear him talk,

it's just his moment, you realize like, oh, this isn't a story, this is like his life. - Yeah, it's a real thing. - Yeah. - Like it's a real thing.

That seems like a fictional character. - Yeah. - 'Cause there's so we're moved from it. And this is just the border line of that.

“- Yeah, he would, yeah, you should do it.”

- I would do it. I'd love to have him on, talk to him. It's a weird time with anything that has anything to do with people being Jewish. Because they conflate Jewish people

with the Israeli government, the Netanyahu government and what they're doing in Gaza and what they're doing all the other places. And it's also, it's like, there's a weird time now where people are enjoying

questioning the numbers of people that died in the Holocaust. - It's the internet. - Yeah. - It's just kind of like--

- But just like, but there is some weirdness to it. And one of the weirdness to it is like, there's some photos of like Auschwitz and they took after the camps for liberator. They had people go there

and they took photos of them like pretending that these people were at the camps. And they weren't. They were done after the fact. - Yeah.

- But there's also tons of people--

- It was only one million, so that's okay somehow.

- You want to justify it in your head? - Yeah, it's weird, I don't know. - But it's 600 people, I'd be like, is it? - Right. Well, it's clearly there was a lot of people.

It was, I don't know what the number is. But if it was six million or if it was one million or three million, it's like to catch people. Like, no, you guys said it was six, like, there are some things that get the 90s.

- It's 40s, so it's like, I don't know how, and we're guessing, we don't have to, we don't have to wear it with them. And you ask somebody in the Holocaust to go, well, I was only in my one camp.

I can't tell you what was going on in Bergen, Belsen. - But there's people that are equally sure that it was six million, and then there's people that are equally sure that it was like 300,000 or 600,000 or whatever the fuck they think of us.

And it's like this weird argument back and forth.

“- I mean, you have to see how many Jews were in Europe”

before and after. - Right. - And there's people more. It's funny that you can see, like, if you have a stat like that, like separated from this, like in, as in Peru, we're hiking much,

to like a speachow, much, a speachow. - And you know, Neil. - Oh, we gotta talk about that. - And, and then, like, it's a fucking pouring rain and never rain there. They're not liberal, they're conservative.

They just go, it's been raining earlier than it should be. And they don't know about the word climate change. They just know we're told November 1st is when you plant

Now, this is mid-October, and I don't know what's up.

“- Well, there's going to be climate change”

whether human beings are here or not. That's the reality of the earth.

The earth's temperature and climate has never been static.

And the real problem with climate change is not recognizing that human beings are having an adverse effect on the planet, 'cause we certainly are in terms of pollution and particulate release. But that people like Al Gore and a lot of these

fucking, these grinis, they're profiting off of this concept of climate change. And then, also, using it to clamp down on people's rights. There's that, like we talked about, people taking money from a good policy and just like, so it's like,

for every good thing, there will be like, somebody's going to misuse it. - A hundred percent. - For everyone gets conflated. - But then it becomes a thing where, like,

you know, when I had Bernie Sanders on the podcast, he was like, talking about else. And I said, I'm like, oh, problem with climate changes, not just that the climate is changing, 'cause it always has. But the people are having a effect on it,

'cause they definitely are. But it's that there's a lot of money in the climate change. - The fake recycling that was ever done around landfills. - And then you'll landfills. - But it's better than nothing.

No, it's equal than nothing. - Well, it's not only that, but you fucking made people feel like they were doing good by throwing their fucking water - It's a positive thing. - It's a positive thing. - It's just, it's all kind of crazy, but we're gross.

- Yeah. - People that gross. - But it was cool to see people's perspectives that were like away from political and just their observations about stuff like that. - Yeah, you guys do things change. - Yeah, like, sub-Saharan Africa used to be lush greenlands.

I mean, they find, they find whale bones and sub-Saharan Africa in the desert. In the desert, they find whale skeletons in the desert. Way before the recars, okay? Way before they were plastic and power plants.

So the Earth's climate has never been static.

But the, the, the much-a-peature thing is, I, I really want to go there. My friend Luke Cavan, she's been on the podcast before. - He's, he's, he's studied. - He's been three times.

“- Has he really? - But as a kid, that's what I meant like.”

- Oh, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, so they're like, yeah, it's a one-hour flight from Lima. And then you take the train, but like, yeah, it's, it's pretty, so you're saying that it wasn't even the Aztecs. Is that what you told me?

- Well, that's, yeah, well, that's the inkas. - The inkas, the inkas. - Yeah, it wasn't, they, they don't think it was. They think the initial monolithic structures were, or megalithic structures were an earlier,

previously unknown civilization, because the, the ink over. - The size and scope of their structures, the way they build it, and Graham Hancock has gone over this as well, is so much different than the stuff that's on top of it.

So what happens is you have this old stuff that's enormous stones

that are cut like jigsaws, right?

- Yeah. - And almost like it's melted, like the way it looks, it almost looks like it's like a piece of paper through it after 200 years of, of like breakdowns. - You still can't put it. - Laying more than 200 years.

- It's thousands of years. But the thing that's really nutty about it is that design is because when they have earthquakes, that way it won't fall off.

“- Right. - So it spurses the energy better”

as opposed to just stacking stuff on top of each other. That stuff falls, but when it's all interlocked in these weird forms, like that shit. - That, yeah. So Chicavar talks about a little bit where he goes,

so ever, Kusko is the gem of South America, it was the, it was the border of the Andes where people would come into trading and we think. And you see this and the, the Christians were come in, take over and build like facades on it

and cross on top to be like, look what we did, we're more dominant at these people. And then in earthquake could come, facades fall and this would just remain. - That remains over and over again, over again.

- These aren't even squares. Look at, that's like a, it's a Tetris. - Yeah, it's so cool and that was on purpose. They did that because that, well, we're gonna survive.

But if you look at the stuff above it, that's the stuff that the Incus made. So the Incus made this stuff was like, it's all just stacked, it's not as sophisticated and also not as large

because they didn't have the technology. Whatever the fuck these people had, that was, huge. I mean, hundreds and thousands of tons.

I mean, these things are fucking enormous. The really crazy one is the Lebanon ones. In Lebanon. - I've been there. Wait, have you?

- I'm Jordan Jordan, I'm talking about is the. - So in Lebanon, they have these massive stone, what do they call, Jamie, the Trilathon stones? So there's these stones that are like, more than a thousand tons

and they're like several meters above the ground, place and then on top of them, you have these Roman structures. - Oh, right. - So if you see like there,

like that click that where you had your cursor. - Yeah. - Look at the size of that guy. - Wow. - And look at the size of that stone.

Like, and then you see the stuff on top of it is smaller, it's not a sophisticated. And then you have the Roman, the thing about the Romans, his Romans had meticulous record keeping.

of all the different things they had.

They know and even mentioned those stones. - So what about that? - They don't mention how they mean, no. I don't think it was them. I think it was a previous civilization.

Look at that fucking thing. - Oh, bro, I'm about to, you know, NASCAR lines? - Yeah. - Okay.

- Oh, yeah. - I saw 'em. - Oh, did you? - Yeah, however. - But how weird is that?

- There's so big, you can't, I know the pictures won't do it justice. Because you'll see like a road, they didn't know because from the ground level, you can't see any of it.

And so they just build these roads through the desert. And so you can see a car sometimes, like so, it's for perspective. And you're like, it's this dot on this giant monkey in the middle of the desert for however many hundreds of years.

- Yeah, they don't even know how long. - They're crazy. - Weird.

- And they're all like signals to something,

there's all these theories on what it is.

“- There's a sky, you have to see 'em from above.”

- You can only see 'em from above. - That's nuts. - Pilots would go over there and it's somebody's like, what's that? Oh yeah, we don't know, we just kind of go over.

- Well, they've found a bunch of 'em now because of AI. They've like scanned the areas and found a bunch of previously undiscovered and asked online. - Wow.

- Yeah, and the weird thing about it, that's also the place where they find these people with elongated skulls. They find like these weird skulls that have additional capacity. So they have like 30% more capacity

and they don't have the same lines in their skulls that we have like one more babies. You know, we have these, what are they called? - Sagittal, I forget what the lines are called.

- Sagittal, these lines that we have in our skull, you know, like your skulls not just one piece, right? It's like, there's a bunch of pieces. - They can cause you to tie them off so they get longer as a sign of like,

- Yeah, but some of these skulls don't have the same structure as ours. They're human skulls, but they're longer. They have more capacity of the 30% larger capacity and they don't have those lines that we have.

So it's like, what, was that? Were there different kinds of humans back then? - I guess that's out. - Were they flying around, were they flying around and making these fucking structures?

Were they responsible for socks that were on? And Macha Pechu and all these other places and they just died off and all we have left is like some skulls that we can't totally explain.

- We don't have the means to explain it here. - Right, because if it was 20,000 years ago or 30,000 years ago, whatever it was that these people were ruling back then, what would be left, fucking nothing, nothing, very little.

- I mean, look at Anchor Wat or it's like, yeah, if you didn't see it in shocking, any of it remained. - Yeah, well Anchor Wat's crazy and how about that other one in India

were the entire temples carved out of one stone or the one in Jordan? - See, what is it, fucking? What is those, the Indiana Jones one? - What's that called?

- That's right, well, my brother. - Yeah, what is that called? - What is it, Jimmy? - Petra. - Petra, it's nuts, you come through this canyon

and it's just in a mountain, giant, three-story temple that is just carved out of the mountain. It wasn't added to. - Right, and where's the stone? What you put the stones?

What'd you do? - That view, coming out of the middle one, coming out of that cavern and seeing it after about an hour hike. - That's crazy.

“They don't even, you have to see a human.”

See how small that person is in the middle. - That is so crazy. - So like, what? - Right, have you ever heard of Darren Koo-Yoo? - No.

- In Turkey? - This is crazy. - You want to hear this one? - It's a place or a person. - It's a place.

So, I think they found this because someone was doing like construction on a house and they found a pat, oh. So this is what it was. So a guy kept losing his chickens.

They would go through a hole and they would never come out.

So this guy was like, well, we're the fuck of these chickens going. They broke down the wall. They figured out where the chickens go. And they found an underground city

that can hold 20,000 people with many, many levels. Like many levels deep into the ground. It's fucking bananas. - Oh, yeah. - Wow.

- Yeah. - Yeah. - I watched a documentary, no, you see. - Wow. - Like we see the way where you, could you please go back

to that one image with the houses? - Yeah, like that. Like so this guy, it was like behind the fucking wall in the house. So these chickens would go into the hole

and they would just disappear. So it's like, where's my fucking chickens? So the guy starts digging around to try to figure out where the chickens go and they found this.

And I want to say they found this in like the 20th century.

“- I think it's the 20th, I think it's the 20th, I just saw.”

- 19th, 20s? - Like 29, maybe. - Wow. So no, they forgot about it. - No, no, no about it.

Nobody knew who made it. There was no record of it. And it's so big. - It's in the house. - It's 20,000 people in there.

- What was it for? - No one knows. - All right. - No one knows where it is. - No one knows who, no one knows nothing.

There's other ones they found in China. They found this fucking insane one in China

It's enormous.

“Like enormous caverns with giant columns.”

It's all carved out of the stone. They moved millions of tons of rocks out of there. No record. No one knows where the stone went. - I'm staying with the little condons,

mines, whatever. And we were on a hike and there was this little abandoned temple just the size of this room. And so the guide was like, so there's a tunnel in here to like the main temple.

It's about a mile and a half away. And there's a tunnel where you can go through it. It takes a couple hours to walk. - Fuck go. - And he goes to hit up my brother once

because I'll never go back.

It's so frightening and there's fucking poomas around. And you don't know, poomas in the tunnel. - Yeah, you're like you can't see shit. It goes, it's a bad place. But it's this long underground tunnel

that was made out of a lot of what this is the one in China. - This is one of the caves. - So this is one of these caves in China. By the way, no record. No historical record of when it was created

or who created it. - I put it a mile, 20 feet. - And this is another one that they found. In 1992, they found it. Four farmers and long you found the caves

“and they drain the water from five small ponds”

in their village. The ponds turned out to be five large man-made caverns. Further investigation revealed, 19 more caverns nearby. They've been determined to be more than 2,000 years old

and their construction's not recorded in any historical documents. Like look how crazy, please show some of those images. - Yeah, I was selling one on this page. - The fucking bananas.

So they're just guessing that it's 2,000 years old.

They don't know. - Right, right, they're just like, because there's no record of it. But it's bananas. And they've also those carvings.

They think are post-later people. - Yeah. - They came in with what? - Post-later discovery. - That's what they're doing.

- Yeah, because you see those lines on the walls. That's how everything looks. It's just those carved straight lines. And it looks like the other stuff was more modern that they think are lines are so that erosion

wouldn't hurt it as much. - I don't know. I mean, that might have been how they did it. They might have had some sort of a device that they carved the stone out with.

But the thing is, it's like... - This is, where's this in a map? Show me where long you was in a map. - Yep. - I wanna visit a lot of China.

There's some lot of places in there that I'm like, don't know about. - China's a big ass. - Back out, back out. - China's so big.

- Long you, caverns. - Keep going back, do, do, do. - Keep going back. - Do you need context? - Do, do, do, do.

- Oh my God. - That's pretty deep in there. Good luck. - Good luck. - It's near Wuhan.

- Yeah. - To get trained to Wuhan, catch a bug. - Yeah, go eat some, I'll be good luck. - Prangolin. - Tell you what, tell you you got leprosy,

you'd normally do a little pangolin.

“- Really, that's what's eat those things.”

- Go back to the images, please. - The images are not, man. It's like, what, what were these people doing? Like, what, who made this? - I love standing in a place like that

and just like you just instantly get connected to the history of it. - Could you imagine it's 1992 and you're just draining upon your farmer? And then you drain the pond and you,

oh, it's like cave in here. - Open the pond in the caves. You go and you see this shit and no one knows who made it. And China, again, China has extensive historical records because China has existed for thousands and thousands

of years. It's one of the few countries that's essentially been just China for 5,000 plus years. But nanas, man. - Aquarium for real dragons.

(laughing) - That'll keep you somewhere. (laughing) - Well, I mean, who made it and how did they make it?

Like, how did they do that? - You do that. - For what purpose? - How did they make that 2,000 plus years and by saying 2,000 is like, you're just...

- 2,000 means, so there's a, there's a Joan Dideen or a piece on a Salvador from a long time ago and she goes, they don't use numbers the way we use numbers. They say 50, it means a bunch.

- Oh, like 72 virgins. - Yeah, I mean, just a bunch. - A bunch of them out.

- Like, bro, he, he went there a million times.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - And tons of fun. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - What is it? - That's a bra. - A smoke, tons of joints.

- Yeah. - Like, there's not a pot. - Break it down. - So, Proplexity, our AI sponsor says, no one knows for certain, who created the Long UK's archaeologist agree,

they are man-made and probably over 2000 years old, but there's no record of their builders or patrons. That's crazy. That is so crazy. Oh, pottery and other finds inside, date roughly,

to the late Quinn or Western Han period around 200 BCE. Suggesting they were excavated at or before that time, but the thing is they were in Otteran. - But that pottery could have been someone who just later, later, like, thought,

it's like, if you leave behind a cell phone in Egypt and 5,000 years from now, people say, "Oh, this is an iPhone 16. This must be from..." - But that means it has to be at least that old,

or earlier. - At least that old, or older. - So it's at least 2000 plus years old, but how crazy is that there's no known records? - She's going quick and just bury some shit

- And some artifacts and just leave it in there.

- How much that will, like, that is still out there and other parts of the world where they don't know about it. - Well, it's like, no one's talking about that. - That's my own guy said. He was like, yeah, no one knows, no one knows.

He gives me my friends, no about it. - Fuck. - So it's just like everywhere. - Well, we were talking about the Aztecs, about how the Aztecs, and this is another thing

that I found out through, perplexity, when I was just, I was writing this thing about Mexico, and about how crazy the history of Mexico is. And, you know, that the Spaniards came over with essentially, like, 12 muskets and took over the whole country.

But when the Aztecs were living in these temples, they didn't build them. They called them the place where the gods were born. So they found them. So there's a previous civilization that, like,

Tio Chitlan and all these other beautiful pyramids and temples. - They don't know who fucking made them. - Okay. - So they don't know who made them. The cave in Vietnam was found in 1991.

- Oh, I saw the 60 minutes thing on that. Did you see that? - Look at that. - That dude from 60 minutes, like a dude in a lady from 60 minutes went and visited this cave.

And I was like, that, that's the fuck. - One cool thing about something like 60 minutes. That they would do something like that, 'cause it's a long journey. - Wow.

“- You have to fly in, drive a long distance,”

then hike a long distance. - There's like an arm. - And nothing's there. - You get fed some ice creepers inside of these caves. - Wow.

- They have their own ecosystems, like there's clouds in there. They're probably fucking rains inside the caves. - There's insects, as animals that live in these caves, that have over time, lost their ability to see, 'cause they didn't need it.

So they're hearing goes up, their site goes down. This is like bugs in like Thailand, and like sub-long, it plays like that, where it's like, oh yeah, these animals only exist here. - To hear you breathe, there's a...

- Southamander, Barton Creek Springs. - Yeah, especially Southamander. - Really? It only lives there. - I mean, I don't know how many of that got mixed with weird people

swimming in the creek yet. - Oh, yeah. - Oh, it's all right. - It's all right. - It's all right.

- It's all right. - It's all right here. - It's all right here. - It's all right. - Yeah.

- Yeah, I was doing bottom of the barrel last night, and somebody brought up that there's like, there's nude beaches at Lake Travis. And I'm like, what is it like? - Barton Springs.

- No, no, no, no. - Barton's top place. - Well, maybe. - Is it? - When you take one of those boat rides out.

- Chicks. - They show the... - Bro. - It's nice. - It's nice? - Yeah, nice. - It's nice. - It's nice. - If somebody would grow a hippie to it,

some of them were like, "We real tits, dude." - Real ones. - Influencers go there, too. - Oh, like girls have to do too much ayahuasca, and they wear wooden beads, and they want their tits out.

- Dude, so I was in, I was in a patagonia. - I was in a... - Hit me hollow park. - 4.6 stars, that's a lot, man. - I was asking people, it was a rafting thing, and I was like, who's the worst?

I always try to do this, especially at comedy clubs.

Dude, who's the worst person you ever had here? - Right. - In the country, which people are the worst, and they go on or not,

“I'm like, listen, I'm from Jews, so you can, it's Jews, right?”

And they go, "Oh, man, they want freebies for sure." But like, I was trying to get which country's worst and he goes, "Well, the worst." Overall, though, is influencers, and they have no country, but they make everything about them,

they make you pause too long to take their shots, they make you get out of their shot. - Oh, yeah. - We're all just trying to raf. They think they're there for them. - Yeah. - Yeah.

- One of the influences got arrested in Korea. Johnny Somali, do you know who that guy is? He was in Korea, and apparently they have some statue that is about, I think it's something about sex slavery, something like that, so he was like kissing the statue

and being rude to people, and they just sent it to him, he did a bunch of shit over there. They sent him to six months of hard labor in Korea. - We need some of that here for influencers. quick-to-in-fucking selfie talking on the,

while you're walking, you're not a black lady. You don't get to talk to your phone. (laughing) - Black ladies can talk to their love speaker phone. - Why don't they do like that?

- I don't know. - You just like ladies, like God ain't time on, and it's like, why do you think they like that? - Why do they like it? They want everyone to hear their conversation.

Maybe 'cause their fucking nails will cut up their face if they bring it too close. (laughing) - I'm sure they're like a possible reason. - It is weird where like certain cultures

gravitate towards certain behavior and activities. - It's new racism, it's fun, 'cause it's like this isn't in the books. - Right. - This is a brand new observation.

- Speaker phone is like, I remember being outside of Roscoes, chicken and waffles, and saying like, how come so many black guys are on speaker phone? And people like, that's racist. I'm like, no, it's not.

- Oh, it's an observation. - Observing. - No, I'm not mad at them. - Yeah, I don't care. - Why?

- Why is it worse that I hear both sides of the conversation versus one side? Like if someone's just talking on the phone,

“why is that less offensive than someone talking to you?”

- You can observe.

- Why did the Hasidic Jews always talk

on flip phones all the time? And you're like, there's something up. Or what? - Yeah, there's somewhere, it's like, why did the people use to ask me

what I would do during days, when I was doing the Jewel, or building it? So they ask questions. - Don't get a check-drops, I'm like, ask questions.

- Oh, that's smart. - But one of them is like,

“why do they all wear matching clothes that daughters?”

Or like, if they're once 10, once eight, why do they wear matching stuff? That's the only one I couldn't figure out until I finally figured it out. It's two for one sales.

- United threatens to kick off passengers who don't use headphones. - Yeah, good. Oh, well, that's because people are like listening to like loud YouTube videos right next to them.

- That is awesome. - All over South America. - It is. - Scroll Instagram videos, loudly, there's no even thought,

we were in our overnight bus once, and there was a guy listening to like, best Hollywood screams. And it was like, dude, we're sleeping. - Oh, God.

- It's crazy, they just don't do it. And you wanna be like, be quiet, but they're like, why? It's not part of our culture. - It's like the Dominican pool hall.

- Yeah, exactly. This is how we do it. - That is used to the chaos. It is weird that people get used to a shirt in the amount of chaos, you know?

- And that's just normal. - Yeah. - New York is a normal jackhammer. - Right. - Nothing.

- Yeah, if you live in New York, you're totally accustomed to,

“oh, that was what I wanted to send you, Jamie.”

I don't know, maybe I did send it to you the other day, about where they figured out that there's a part of your brain that recognizes when birds aren't chirping. - Ooh.

- And you, you kind of freak out. - They should be some background. - Right. - Well, if birds aren't chirping, it generally means that predators are nearby.

- Yeah. - Their brain is a circuit that doesn't know you live in a city. It's only job, it's a monitor where the birds are still singing. - Right now, in this room, it's on.

The circuit predates primates. Whoa, mammals have been using ambient soundscape continually as a predator detection system for roughly 200 million years. Birds stop singing when something larger moves through their territory.

For most of the mammalian history, the forceful of song meant that no large predator was nearby and the cessation of sound was the warning.

Your nervous system never updated the software.

- A loud quiet, it really sums up. - The max plank institute tested the inverse in 2022 with 295 participants, six minutes of birds song, dropped anxiety with a medium effect size. Six minutes of traffic noise raised to pressure with the same.

The effect worked on subjects who lived in dense urban environments and had no regular contact with nature. The brain still ran the check. - Listen, I'm a hippie, I live in New York and it's like I gotta get to nature once in a while

or I'll go crazy.

“- That's why we have to protect the parks.”

- That's why we have to protect the parks. - That's why we have to tomorrow. Tomorrow we're protecting the park. - Tomorrow we are. - Yes, it's back.

- Fucking, this new guy. Listen, I'm a one issue voter, I'm not a voter at all. - But I'm a one. - Got me. - Yeah, and it's this we saved another park,

Elizabeth Street Gardens, classical park and they go, no, the other guy was like, we gotta tear this down for low and come housing. And then, low inside in the East Village, that's a community oriented place.

They take care of shit on their own, always have.

They made the park, it's a park's district because they were like these buildings collapse. And they're just like, let's build it into parks. And then the city, when it came back, like, let's take those back like, no, no, no, fuck that.

We made these. These are the parks massive. But Elizabeth Street Gardens is tiny. And the other guy, the black guy, whatever his name was, (laughs)

- They're a cat. - They're a cat. - He goes, I'm gonna protect that park and I'm gonna protect all the park, park's not nicer. They read it 'em all and they paint it all the benches.

I like them. And he goes, okay, so this community goes, we will find you another place to build low-income housing. And they did, they had this whole platform and they go, we can do it on this block down the street there.

And there, it's actually more houses than you were planning on building. Okay, and now this fucking new guy goes, now we're gonna raise that to the ground. - What?

- And like, no, we did it, we found another place. - I thought he was for me. - They keep trying to get 'em, they're like, just say you're gonna protect it. And he's pretty much like, I won't.

I won't. Elizabeth Street Gardens is fucking gone if I have my say. - Really? - Yeah, and I'm like, do, come on, you're supposed to be

of the people. What is the end? Single-ish voter? I don't know about the rest. You gotta protect that park.

- So do you think that there's some sort of a financial interest-- - Someone's getting--

- Someone's always getting this.

Someone's always getting that. - Well, you would not think of the ham. He's a democratic socialist. - There's a non-capitalist reason why green spaces are important.

It doesn't bring in money. - Could try to fuck up with this choice. - They tried to fuck this one up. - Zilker? - Yeah, with underground garages and stuff

and totally redoing it. - The people won. - So it didn't happen, but there is a thing that helps all of our level of life. - That's true.

- That's true park is a huge great idea. - It would never do that now if it wasn't already done. - We were talking about this with Brian Simpson. I was like, if I lived in New York City, if something happened, and I had to do JRE from New York City,

I would have to live near the park. 'Cause I would have to end my dog. I'm not gonna get rid of my dog. So I'd have to have to have to have a place

where I'm taking him to the park every day. - Such a park rules.

“- And you see somebody playing since the phone”

and you feel like you're in a Woody Allen movie.

- Bro, Central Park's incredible.

- It's so big too when you stay in a hotel that looks over the park, you really get a sense of the scope, the size of it, like the scale of it is incredible. It's so end by the way.

They love to sell that off. - Oh, yeah. - And just don't stack it up, make it look like China. You know, like, one of those big cities in the other places, they are important

to our way of life. - Yeah, it's good for you, don't. Obviously, it's good for the fucking mind. - Yeah. - It's healthy. But even Central Park, it's like it's not as good

as like real wheels. - Real wheels. - Yeah. - In Central Park will buy me two days of sanity. I gotta get to the actual woods and then I get a week or two.

- Central Park will balance you out. - Yeah. - It'll balance you out. Like it's way better than no. And it seems like people are cooler there. Like every time I've been in Central Park,

people seem like a little nicer.

Like, like, if you run into people on Broadway, they don't seem as nice as people that you run into in Central Park. - Yeah, it's not this fun. - Yeah. - There's also a thing with like,

hey, no smoking in here, like, I'm really sorry than then you put it out. Like, why do you love a stranger going? But like, you can't smoke in Central Park? - Nothing. - Really?

- You do, but we'd, but cigarettes, they get more mad at it. But also like, yeah, if I got a cigar and I'm with a friend, I'm smoking. - Yeah. - Like, wow. - I could see how that would have known.

- Sure, but also chill. - But you can walk down the street and New York at some other cigarette, right? - Or joint, yeah? - Right. - Yeah.

- Still weird to me when I see a black eye on a stoop rolling a joint. I'm like, what are you doing? - That's legal. - You're gonna go to jail. - That's right. - I know it totally.

- Well, now it's different nationwide 'cause Trump just changed it to schedule three. Again, this is something that Obama could have done. Biden could have done Clinton. - Trump wanted to have done it.

- Trump wanted to have done it. - Yeah. And now it's schedule three. - Which is still not good. I mean, it should be just like alcohol, but at least it's getting close.

It's getting close. - Did I had moments out there of nature where you're in the middle of nowhere? And you really do feel a juvenile like that. Where you're not even hiking culture.

So it's like, you're not passing anyone. - Right. - For hours and hours and hours. - You're a piece. - You're just at peace. - And whatever that thing is that they've just discovered about birds, there's a similar thing

that your body recognizes when you're actually in real nature. It feels different. There's no cell phone signal.

“- The ground. - Do you know anything about grounding?”

- Yes. - What's your take on it? - Well, human beliefs, it's a real thing.

And so I always trust human.

- Yeah. - 'Cause he's very objective about all the stuff. - The electromagnetic waves coming out the ground that you need to get to touch with. It does feel good. - Well, I take the dogs out in the yard and I walk around barefoot and feels good.

I mean, I'm just judging it based on how it makes me feel. That's like that word tree huger got a bad rap, but it comes from like, touch that in the ground so you're connected to the ground. - The body comes from people that were tripping balls.

- 'Cause if you're tripping balls, those trees hug you back. - I've been there. - Yeah. - Those trees hug you back. - They talked to you like you're face on it. - Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.

- You could feel the cell phone. - I'm in the oak tree, I've been here for 300 years. I've been here before this was America. - Yeah, it's pretty wild. - When I go to the mountains,

and especially like the elk hunting mountains because it's so hard to get there. When you get there, there's no cell phone service. And when you're up there, you feel different. - You just feel different. - You feel better.

- You really do. - You feel more relaxed. - My brain was firing in a way that it hadn't fired and so long. It was just like all the shit holding you down, just like pulled off, and after not very much time,

it was just like, wow, just thoughts, creative thoughts, we're just like pouring out of me. - So in the six months, you were gone. No social media, no social media. - I took YMH's on a piece of paper.

I'll tell people from YMH's emails. I got two months ahead on my ads and my podcast. On DB Trippin. So you guys were set for two months, you don't need me. And then after--

- So did you record a bunch of episodes in advance? - A year's worth. - A year's worth. - Oh, I did my work. - Oh my God, that's crazy. - Yeah, they're all evergreen episodes.

How did you do that? - One worked hard to love hearing about travel. I love it. So it wasn't much work for me to come in and be like, tell me about Cambodia, tell me about Thailand,

tell me about Taiwan, tell me about Uruguay.

“- Well, that's how I feel about podcasting in general.”

- Yeah, you like it. You'll have to hear there like this kind of sucked, I wish I should stay home, but that's really interesting. - Yeah. - So I love it and I just got way ahead.

It's funny when I like Danny Pollish, I got put out an episode and I was like, "Did we do like two years ago?" Like, I wasn't time yet, I don't know. - Oh wow.

- Well, save it for if a comment has a special, like this is recorded now and nine months, you'll have a special opportunity. - Well, maybe you have banked. - Through July, still.

- Whoa. - Yeah. - That's great, so how many did you do a week? - Sometimes none, sometimes, sometimes like six or seven.

- Oh, really? - I'd be tripping, dude, I'd see,

“every mistake I made for the skeptic tank”

and I was like, let's avoid that. - Like, what kind of mistakes are you making? - So like, minimum of effort on my part technologically. So why makes me is my Jamie? - Right, right.

- Here's the footage, handle. - By the way, settle down, 'cause they're not. - They're my version of Jamie. - This is the only, this is the goat. - Well, I have 15 people doing one Jamie job.

- Yes, that's the problem. - Yeah. - Like, when people talk about like, "Who should I hire?" Like, I don't know, I don't know what to tell you.

You need a guy on the spectrum. - But, yeah, but I did, I did that. It's sometimes I'd like to two a day for four straight days. - And any comic who goes, "Hey, I'm sorry I'm busy." I'm like, buddy, let's reschedule.

This isn't supposed to be stressful. - Right. - Let's do it one more time. - Right, right. - No, yeah.

- Chill, no big deal. - That's what I do it. - And when you're ahead, you can afford a week with nothing. It wasn't like, I gotta find someone. We gotta do this now, yeah, that's out.

- Yeah. - That's out, all the music choices they used to make and like, that's a lot of work for us.

- Yeah, the music is the problem is like,

you get flagged now. - That's right. - We used to be able to play music on YouTube all the time and now everything gets flagged. You gotta be real careful.

We used to play songs almost every episode. - Full song? - Yeah, when there was nothing when the show made this, it was so mild. - It was so mild.

- And West, it was so fun. You're actually making a fun thing. It was so outlawed. It's a little more corporate now, just sad, but also fine, it helps people out more now.

But, man, podcasting was just to whatever the fuck you want. - Well, we were at the early, early days. Like, when I started this thing, it was 2009. It's almost 20 years, which is so nuts. - Have you figured out a way to monetize it yet?

- Not yet. - I'm working on it.

“- I was, I think I'm gonna have so rubber-plussies.”

(laughing) - You were for a bit, you were for a bit. - That was my first, honestly. - Only sponsor, I don't need another one, we're good. - It was funny 'cause Sam Harris was like,

one of his requests when he first did my podcast. - I was gonna make a pussy. - He's wouldn't, would you let me do it and add for the flesh life? I said, okay, okay, it doesn't matter.

Like, it's not like it's paying a lot of money. - It was just fun, more than anything. - Yeah, but so I would wait, so after two months, I go, hey, I need the next months of ads. And I would say one day, I would just do all the ads

and the bumpers, like this guy's got a new special. Here's his tour dates, I'd find a waterfall or something and I would do it in a fun place. - Oh wow. - Yeah, I was just like, let's do it fun.

If I can do it more, let's be remote. - Yeah. How did you do it? Do you do it video as well? - Yeah, I fun.

- So, Jamie told me it's a long time. My first trip to Southeast Asia, I was like, "Hey, I need a pocket camera." Like, what's the best when he was like, bro, you're not gonna wanna hear this, it's the iPhone.

- Yeah. - For best one. - Or a galaxy. Like any modern self-esteem. - Self-esteem.

- Any modern self-own, the video's fucking incredible.

- And the audience, yeah, the video stabilizations amazing. And all you do is you set it up on a little tripod and you'll go for fucking hours. - Yeah, so I'll put it a tree far away.

I did one for a Danny Brown episode in my sucré Bolivia in front of the statue of sucre. - Oh wow. - And then it's just like-- - Guys are in Bolivia?

- That was everywhere. - Wow. - Dude, I was saw a inauguration for the first president they had in 20 years. - Where?

- In sucré, in Bolivia. - Whoa. - They had the old guy. - I was running things for 20 years. - Okay, a crazy dude, that everyone hated.

He said farming is more important than industry here. So we should give the farmers two votes per person. And the cities get one. Now, they also run the media there. So everyone in the farm lands in the heart land,

they didn't see any of the problems. - Yeah. - City shit, so there they go. I don't know everything on the radio says the guy's doing a great job.

What's going on again? He's sort of great. I listen to the radio. The guy's doing a great job. And everyone in the city is like,

I don't know, he's lying. (laughing) So everything went to shit, 20 years. Like, well let's turn on the radio again. Let's turn on like, Trump news.

Let's see what Trump is saying about Trump. But it's gonna be pretty good. - Great. - Oh, yeah, there I am. - Is this the video?

- Oh, wow. - I pretended to be talking to my cell phone 'cause I was so embarrassing. So I pretended to be talking to my phone, but I just have a coreless mic.

- Is Danny still sober?

“- I think he's back on weed, but like, yeah,”

he's like, he's off the list. - The alcohol was the issue. - Yeah. - Last time he did a podcast, he got obliterated. - He's sober.

- Nice. - Good friends, I'm great. - Bolivia, what is there like,

it was always Bolivian marching powders.

But when I was a kid, what do people call cocaine? - Interesting. That salt flats were really cool there. - Yeah. - Just like miles and miles of salt fields.

- Boo. - Oh, there's me in O'Neill in Peru. - Look at you guys, were you stupid hats on? (laughing) - Yeah, I was just trying to find weird spots

and like, oh, let's just film something. - Why were you wearing those hats? - Where's Peru? There's the alpaca hat to keep you warm. - Oh, I went hunting my first time hunting

on were those hats. - They're great. - And Steve Ronaldo was saying that's a very left-wing hat. I'm like, why? - Why is it left-wing?

- Hey, what?

- I don't know about your hat.

- Oh, I got it. - Leave it alone. I'm about to kill something.

“- Steve, chill, I'm about to murder something.”

- I killed that deer with that fucking left-wing hat on. (laughing) - But that's all I would do. I'll just weigh in. Once they'll walk at my monks' worth of stuff

and then go back to disappearing. - And I'm telling you, buddy, my brain was so alive. I would just like, you just don't realize what you're dealing with with responsibility was all the time.

And then when you have none, it's like you just kind of be here. So I came up with this whole, my storytelling shows out. I came with this whole like how to frame it all, how to do everything.

I had a vision of like this prologue that I wanna bridge the gap. It's called the end. It's out now. - And this is their.com.

- And then, did you film all that with your mom's house studios as well? - Yeah. - Yeah, nice. - They might be the only group like that

that's actually good. - Tom was like, how much do you have? I have about 80% of it. He goes, I'll put in the rest, I'll supply all the people you need to make it happen.

And then he's not in network. - Right. - He's a poor, and he's a fucking dirt bag. So he's like, say whatever you want. There's no censoring when it's the poor, you know?

- Well, it's also like, Tom has made so much money that he's out, you know what I mean? He'll do whatever the fuck he wants. - Yeah. - You can't stop him.

He's gonna do whatever he wants now. - Yeah. - Oh nice, look at all these episodes. Miss Pat, the stuff I know, look at that. - Don't get into the gray one.

- Nice. - Oh, be Shane. - Shane, Bobby Kelly, big Jay. - Yeah, we made the show again. - We made Margotzi.

- And then this prologue, it's something I had a vision of this on that mushroom trip. - Wow. - About how to frame like what happened to this not happening and what is this thing now and how to like go through it

and then I talked a bunch of artists while it was gone and some may pitchers in this guy, this guy will be a child. He actually did a Danny Brown video. He's just shit, I don't wanna ruin this. - Where'd you film these?

- The box in New York City, place where Chipet would have as comedian balls. - Just get that gay outfit. - The gay outfit, Joe, is from,

“do you remember a show called This Not Happening?”

I said, "Uncompletely, legally unrelated to this new show, "you can say whatever you want, but I cannot put out." - That was a comedian telling stories in a strip club. This is a strip club with comedian told stories.

The first year they go, "Hey, you gotta wear the same outfit

"every day." And I go, "No, that's fake." Like, "No, I know, but we got a Michelin match day "so we gotta do it." - Oh, why?

Does anybody got a tune out because they say-- - No, it'll be like it's weird or suddenly you're hosting a different thing. So I start wearing ridiculous suits. I made it in Hong Kong, you know.

And then my final year, I had this Indian outfit picked out that I went and sourced in LA and had this cool Indian outfit. - All right, now it's cool, I thought it was gay. - And I saved it for seven or eight years,

but that showed I taken away from it. And I was like, I'm saved if I ever do this again. I'm wearing this fucking outfit out of respect to overcoming. - Those days were very fascinating. The days where comedy essentials

trying to force you into doing a comedy special, central special, but you had a deal with Netflix. And even though it was completely legal and contractually legal for you to do a comedy special with Netflix,

comedy central was strong arming you into doing it on comedy central.

“And canceled your fucking show because you wouldn't do”

a special with them. So you got a successful show on current. People wanna know how gross Hollywood can get. - Yeah. - Are you had a successful show that was doing very well

on comedy central and they canceled it because he wouldn't do a comedy special. - 'Cause on comedy central. - It was one of the early ones, paid for my own special.

And then it's that I got to figure out where it's going and they go, it should be here. And I go, hmm, no. No, I don't think it's should. It's also was a double special and it needs to be on a streamer

more than a network. And I was like, no, I'm going to Netflix. And yeah, and then they were like, let's go blackmail them. - It's crazy. - I get it from their perspective.

- No, I don't. - They're like, hey, we can't be losing power

and they never really, they always thought it was an open mic.

- But it was not losing power because the reality is that we just bring more people to the college. - Essentials. - And Netflix back then was so much bigger

to do a special. And I did that 2017 special in Netflix. I was the mayor of New York for like three weeks. Everywhere I go, I meant bike at a red light, three people would recognize you.

It was a different time for specials then. And of course, that was the biggest thing. I'm gonna do that. - Yeah. - Well, there's still pretty big Netflix.

- It's still pretty big, but not June. - It comes with specials. - Oh, that's right. They picked up June. - Yeah, it's on Netflix right now.

- Nice. - But yeah, and so people asked me with this show like, why don't you go to Netflix or like, I'm like, dude, networks killed me. - Not only that.

- I don't want, yeah, but I'll just go straight to the people on this. - Why do it? - It's like there's no reason to at this point. Especially like comedy central doesn't even exist.

- It exists. - That's what's nuts. - It was a wild time. You said you would host for free. - Yeah.

- I was in the phone with you crying. I was like hearing it that they're taking it.

Because you were gonna take out a loan to pay off all the crew.

“Because all the crew had signed on for you know,”

X amount of episodes and it was gonna cost them money. And you were like, I'm trying to figure out a way to keep us on the, I go tell Comedy Central. I will host it for free. - You were already, it was 2017.

This podcast was already going. - Oh yeah, it was huge by then. - Yeah. - But it was number one in 2019

is when it first started being number one.

But it was probably, it was pretty big. - It was pretty big. - You were, had pedigree on the show. You done two stories. One you liked, one you hated.

- But the one you liked was a great story. - That's a great story. - That's a great story, Dolphin Alabama. - Yeah. - And I was like, oh, he's part of the show.

This kind of goes. If someone's gonna do it, let's, I'll do it for free. You're saving money and getting a much bigger host. - They just wanted to fuck you. - They, they just wanted to fuck you.

- Anyone I suggested, they said no. I would say, I'll just say, "Dick should do it." 'Cause I said no. - Yeah. - First they went with Roy.

Roy was really good. - Roy was great. - But it only lasted, it was over after that. - But that show could have gone on a long fucking time. It was such a great idea.

It was great execution.

It was fun to, it was real.

- It was real. - It was real. - In a moment where alt comedy and the ironic distance was getting bigger, this was a more real thing. - Yeah.

- And people responded to it. - Listen, but it just shows you the grossness of the business sometimes. When these people who are just gatekeeping, executive people, they're really saying,

"Are you not in the list?" - Yeah. And they don't exist anymore. That's what's most amazing. - Well, that's cool that you can go to Tom.

- You can go to collect that or whatever. And he goes, "No, I love the show, it made me bigger. Let's get it going again." - Yeah, yeah. - And it's also like nine years later,

like the internet is completely taken over. Like it is drowned out, all of those comedy networks. They don't exist anymore. - Yeah, you need a some level of curation or you're lost in a sea of content sometimes.

But there's people you can trust. You know, if you want meditation, that guy Sam Harris is that the meditation guy, you know, whatever he's gonna say, you can probably get a believe it.

Meditation was, you know? If you need some, to hear an MMA fighter, like really speaking, this is a great source for that. This podcast. She needs some curator.

But I mean, like, I'm the guy, I'm that. - Yeah, but even this show, make it quality. I'll make it look right.

You can always trust me to do that.

So come to me for, that show was the coolest stand-up show of all time. It was a fun show. It was a really good show.

“And it was a show that I remember you created”

from scratch. I remember when you were doing it at the lab at the improv, that tiny little room, you were doing it for free. And I was like, what are you doing? Basically the same way that you were talking about,

to me about my podcast, like, what are you doing? (laughing) That's what you were saying. What are you doing there? I'm like a show for 20 people.

- Oh my, this is so weird. I'm like, are you telling stories? But I thought about it, I was like, it's probably a good idea to develop material that way. - Oh yeah.

- Yeah. - No, I a lot of people was like, hey, we're doing a show. It's about heartbreak this week, or it's a month or it's about drugs, whatever, and they go, all right, let me,

let me, I have a story, let me get all my thoughts down, you know, all the metaphors and stuff, the stuff that flowery stuff you put on them, but Jay is so good at and stuff. But like, then they became a lot of people,

like, that's my closure of my special now. I had no bit. I thought of it because of this, it became, you know, the biggest thing I had in my act. - No, not.

- It's not. - Yeah. - 'Cause I loved giving people an excuse to like, write something. - There was also such a fun show,

'cause it was comedy outside of like regular stand-up. It was like another avenue. And it was a really fun thing to do, you know? And the thing about like the gatekeeping of it is like, those people had nothing to do with it,

and they had all the power. - That all the power. - And by just exercising it in that way, and then everybody talking about how gross it was, nobody ever trusted them again.

- And the thing is some of the stuff they do though, like, we need some diversity. And it'd be like, I don't think you're wrong. I think you don't want it to be all the same thing, but there's something me and Eric Abrams came up with,

it's a diversity of experience. - Yeah. - Is bigger, two white dudes is not what we're talking about. If it's like, Ollie's to deeks life. Closer to Gary Owens life than mine, you know.

Gary Owens and Ollie are closer to each other than me or Gary, you know. - Right, right, right.

“- So that's what I want, different, whatever.”

And they have these checklist you would go to in LA. Here are the gays, get one of these seven. - You're on the black one. - And it was like, well, I'm not gonna fuck up my product. - Don't wait.

- At the end of the day, it has to be a meritocracy. - So then we would just work harder, which a lot of people aren't willing to do. And it's like, well, there's a great black woman in Indianapolis, she's not in LA or New York,

but let's get her, she has great stories. Miss Pat, there's a great black comic in Houston, and he has these great stories about prison. Let's get him. - I'll sneak.

- They're not on these lists. - Yeah, you just gotta work a little harder to make your shit.

- Right, but it's like forced diversity

“without the merit, without good quality comedy.”

- Yeah, yeah. - But it's just gatekeepers fuck themselves, really, because now that we don't need them anymore, like, what are those people do? - Well, those people that we're running comedy central,

what do they do now? There's no jobs. - Well, the thing is, with like, where the cabs are overstepping, that made Uber possible. - Yeah.

- So, let's focus on the positive of this. - And then the Uber people kept robbing and murdering people. - Yep. - So, they just got way mouse. - Yeah, exactly.

They'll be gone, too. Take it away. - Yup. (laughing) - Like, how many coke addicts do you need driving?

Like, bro, that's a red light, please stop. - That means they barely fucking vet those people. - Yeah, but the cool thing is, because it's easier to film, and because I have friends that are fucking billionaires,

you know, it's like, we can actually get it done. Now, it's a golden age for this. - It is. - So, be able to make a TV show, level thing on our own. - Well, look at even movies, like Theo and David Spade,

you need a fucking movie. - On their own. - They self-financed it, and it's doing well. - Like, we know how much it's gonna cost. We'll do it, we'll rich.

- It's incredible. - Yeah. - It's a cool time. - I mean, we made our budget back day one. - That's awesome.

- On a massive project, flying in 23 comics, you know, putting them all up, hanging them all, they're cutting in on the shares.

We've never done that before.

“- So, are you gonna do that in the next season as well?”

- I don't know if it was gonna be a season. - A lot of this was just a, there was a hole in my, in my resume, where the show didn't end on the terms that should have ended on.

- And that's why it's called the End. - Yeah. - Uh-huh. - It's planned words for story titles too, you know, like the End, but like...

- So, I just had to get it done right. - Nice. - Nice. - And all these huge, like Shane Gillis, who when he was, like, open-micer was like,

all these guys, like, I want to eventually do that show. - Yeah. - The show went away. - In the interim, he's like, supplanting the Philadelphia 76ers,

so he could be called, you know? But he's like, "I'd love to do that show." Dude, I have four people take private jets to come to the show. - That's amazing.

- Yeah. - That's amazing. - Fuck yeah. - It was, I'm so happy with it. It came out right everyone who's seen it is like,

"Oh, this is like, not just something you did. "This is like, a TV show." - Yeah, it's like, "I'm so happy." - That's awesome. - Yeah.

- I love it. I'm so happy to hear that, dude. - And that's great. - That's great. - That prologue that guy did.

You should, I'll send you $2 off. (laughing) (laughing) - I'll just pay. - Yeah, we said we had to figure out a way.

Me and O'Neill and Abrams, we all are like, right in it. We're like, I have to figure out a way to bridge the gap of this not happening to the edge and what happened and everything without being too woe as me.

And so we got this claymation guy who was like, "Let's just fill it with fucking punchlines." So it doesn't become that like, I love shorts, but I little like, they couldn't keep us down. I don't want to do any of that.

I don't want to be earnest. - Right. - So it bridge the gap without ever being serious. - Oh nice. - Yeah.

- So it was like a three-minute prologue you get for free. Yeah. - Yeah. - That's what you're doing.

- That's some keys, video. - Oh, wow. How did they do that? Did they use real claymation? - Oh yeah, dude.

In a time of AI, wherever everyone's doing the easy stuff, he is painstakingly. It takes him a day to build each one of those characters. That's three-day work and then a backdrop takes another day or two.

“- And how long does it take to actually do the animation?”

- A long time, all day long. So if you have notes, you're like, dude, I need those notes before I start filming. This is click, move, click, move, click, move. I'm gonna go back and erase the stuff that, you know,

the wires and shit too. - Are they wires or just moving the clasp? - I mean, the clasp has to be held up 'cause it's clay would fall. - Right, right, right.

- Well, there's wires in the arms. - Yeah. - Yeah. - I mean, you don't necessarily have to, you have wires like to make it stand.

What is it going on with tips? - Well, I was using those music videos. - I was in that bowl, ew. - Oh, he's making up. - It's like a turt.

- Oh, he's like a turt. - Yeah, he's gonna get locked in that. - He did a trippy red video, that's really good. - That's awesome, dude. - Yeah. - That's cool that people are still doing stuff

like that, like the old school, the way they did King Kong.

- Well, here's what I noticed too.

When you start talking to some of these artists, you know, like some of my stage designs and stuff like that, like for America's sweetheart, what I had was like, this idea that like, what if we left society? How long till nature would just take back over?

And like, let's do that with plants. And then the first ones are like, so expensive though, like, oh, I can't. Okay, I gotta rethink. Again, that's far far out of the,

I'll spend a lot, but not that much out of the budget. But then you tell these people, like, well, here's what I'm trying to do. I'm trying to say, you say the whole thing, like, here's what I'm trying to get across, here's what I'm trying

to say, like, we're too caught up in the news and stuff. And if we all just like, whatever. And then they go, fuck, dude, that's a good, okay, we can do it at cost. And then him and Anthony Shepherd,

they stole your fucking show from you. Hold on, that's fucking bullshit.

“I can bring my cost way down, let's, we can do this.”

Still very expensive, but they're like, I'm gonna be part of something. - That's dope. - You know, if Tarantino was like, you're gonna hold a boom mic, I'm like, yes,

I would do that for you to be part of something. - Yeah. - There we go. - That's fucking dope, dude, I'm gonna make out. - It's William Child, that's his Instagram account, whoa.

- That's me. - What can you do? - You can deliver me a message. - Oh, you're an asshole, kid. - You know, that is.

- Tell me that I was a feel like that. - Dude, that's real, dude, that's real. (laughing)

- Ever 18 2010, the show was born after the third most

Vapic scene in Maryland. We had six comedians, tell us stories about psychedelic drugs. Only 15 people showed up, but God damn, it was the best show I'd ever seen. - Ever remember, and that's awesome.

A lot of hard work completely in my own with help from no one, I got a TV deal. (laughing) And that helped launch the careers of so many great comics, fat ones who lost weight,

fat ones who somehow keep getting fat, have to influence elections. - I feel it. - Go on, normalize, just pass, just get molasses. - And then, with a lot of hot and ending.

- That's the irony, secondly. - Wait, wait, watch this part. You're in a, hold up, hold up, hold up. I mean, that might have been the drugs. Hot and ending.

The iron way, right after this hold up, I would have played. (laughing) I mean, might have been the drugs, hot and ending.

“- Wait, I think there's nothing to be that fuck.”

- It's only clips of it, I guess. - There's a, there's the moment where I had to go. I realized I had to be a man, and not just a man who would go on to tap Shane Gillis twice with witnesses, by the way, and let's do a normal and raise your hand.

It's like, I witnessed it. (laughing) I like, let's just have some fun, dude. Let's have some fun. I got Duncan to do a theme song in the way out of his episode.

- Oh, really? - His story is about taking his kids to a Taylor Swift. Taylor Swift, concert film, and how awful is he? He thinks she's a 15,000-year-old vampire. (laughing)

(laughing) He has his long song, 'cause you can see it. She's feeding off him. She gets bigger as they start cheering. It's so funny, and it's Duncan.

He's still out there. And I'm like, hey Duncan, he does this like song. He breaks down everyone over songs, because it's just this. And I was like, you know those crazy garage band songs

you've been making for 25 plus years. You wanna do the theme song just for that episode? Just the, yeah, 100%. So it's just like demonic song about being a 15,000-year-old vampire. It's a Taylor Swift's original song.

(laughing) - And you don't have to okay with a network. You're like, let's just do it.

“I was like, what did you do to your credit?”

You made up some crazy credit for his band. - That's awesome. That's amazing. Nobody's embraced that kind of AI technology more than Duncan.

- He's always sending me things that he's working on.

- He does it all day long. - Those garage band songs used to make. It was an AI that was just him. - I know. - I know. - I know. - A lot of time ago.

- Yeah. - The sunset days. - Yeah. - It was like, oh my God. - Yeah, that's awesome, dude.

- Okay, so that's, it's available on rshfreer.com. - Or shfreer.com. - Each happens with $5,000. - We haven't already the great.com. - I went away, people didn't know how to find it.

- But if, is it still there? Like if you go to rheer.com, does it take you to rshfreer.com? - I knew anything about me. There's no way I'm gonna pay those fees over year.

(laughing) If I know anything about me and my people, I doubt I still have that. (laughing) - Yeah, yeah. I got the YMH staff.

I had a production card. You know, you need a production card at the end. One of them says YMH, then Eric Abrams directs his. And I was like, the one I was using

was it's just still frame from this not happening. Just, my dick pixelated. And I was like, put my thing on that. I hate the, you have the idea. I'm not a producer, whatever.

- Right. - And I didn't have it. And then we couldn't use anything with this not happening. So I was like, don't. And I was like, fuck, I didn't know the one.

- Ah, I'm out from the jungle. So I told YMH, I was like, guys, you guys are all fucking idiots. Make me whatever production card you want. And I will use it.

And then they were like, we're gonna make seven. I was like, all right. And I've seen a few of them. And they're all so retarded. (laughing)

They're all so it. One of them being a giant coin out of my fucking giant nose. (laughing) It's just so retarded. - Nah, I love working with people I like.

- Yeah, Tom's awesome. It's nice having a guy like that that's like really just acquired an enormous amount of funds. - Yeah. - It doesn't over the fucking ones.

- Fund funds. - Yeah. - And his Netflix show was fucking great. - Oh, it's so out there. - It's so crazy.

But it's like perfect for him. It's like his mind. - That's right. - Let's wrap this bitch up tomorrow. Protect our parks.

- First protect our parks?

- Yeah. - I would get recognized here there when I was traveling. - Not much. - I'll tell you a couple things I saw.

One, people in those shangles and they am except in Brazil and then they only know Rafi Bostos' name. - Oh, really?

- He's a bitch. - He's a bitch.

- Yeah, I had him on the show.

- Really? - Yeah, he's great. - Good dude. - But I'll tell you this though. There's a lot of business is shit

that gets caught up in this, who's interviewing which politician and what all this guy's doing this. He's friends with this guy and all the money and everything

and like am I doing well enough? People try to do that keep up game.

“This guy's getting more views on his clips.”

I should start doing shorter stuff. Anyone I told that didn't recognize me when it came up what my job was. First I try to avoid it. But if I can't persist, like no, no, for real,

what do you do? I'm like, all right, well, I'm a stand up comedian. I mean, this is 10 for 10 countries. Everybody would be like, what? What do you mean?

I'm like, I'm a stand up comedian. And they go, like for as a hobby, I'm like, no, it's a living. They're like, what, grandma, come here. This guy just stand up like, we meet with a microphone.

I'm like, yeah, I goes, that's so cool. That's so cool. I'm like, we're just in New York and in the country. And the world really, like, what? You pay your rent on this?

I'm like, yeah, and then some, like, no fucking way they couldn't get over how cool it was and they didn't know if I'm successful or not. They just know I do this. Bro, we have the coolest job

and I've tested this in the world. There's no cooler job you could tell people that they'll be like, that reaction. They start smiling just at the idea of the job can they actually exist.

And that's what we do.

“And the high level ones, and the low level,”

we're all doing the same shit. We're all just coming up with a better dick joke to entertain some strangers. Even gay in. Even gay fucking in the whole in the wall.

Blow it or do it. And then go, oh, I just got a idea for a bit. That's cool. Let me, oh, no, I got to write this down. Hold on, I'll jerk you while I write it down.

Oh, that's awesome.

Yeah, it's an amazing job.

It's kind of incredible. We live a very blessed life for sure. Yeah, it's just, yeah, it's just, I don't know. I mean, yeah, it's fun to just focus on some positives and realize

that there's nothing compared to the opposite. They keep an up with the Jones stuff and the paying attention to the numbers. I mean, obviously that's easy for me to say that you shouldn't do it, but you shouldn't do it.

Well, there's just-- It's concentrated on what you're doing and enjoy it. It's talking to Maddie Winner's really funny comic. And she was like, you know, all these people. And everybody really likes.

She's going to be a star. And she's like, all these people are getting clips. It's crap, because I don't do crap work. And it was like, well, then you shouldn't do those clips.

“Your road's just going to be a little longer than them,”

but don't think about it like that. Like, just do the shit you're good at. Yeah. You know? And then eventually, you'll get found out.

I mean, just do whatever you do. Whatever you want to do, but don't let them decide.

Well, I need to write an under 60 second bit.

It's got to have a punchline at 59 seconds. Or I can't put it on YouTube shorts. Like, that's a dumb way to be building your stuff. Absolutely. Big J does kind of crowdwork that no one's ever done.

Long form crowdwork with it. Yeah. But it's also been doing it for so long. And he has that kind of personality. And like, easy going style that makes it, it makes it worse.

You see Big J at like, somebody heckles him like an angry heckle. Not just like a, I'm going to be part of it. Like, he fucking suck. He doesn't, I get worked up. He just goes, oh, what, what was it?

You don't like, like, almost as if he's on mushrooms. He's like, no, I could see that. But what's specifically, I just want to know. He's an easy going guy. Yeah.

He's just like, let's mind this for laughs. Yeah. Like, it caught up screaming. Well, he's also done so many shows in New York where that must happen so often.

You develop strategy. Yeah. You're, you got practice at it. Yeah. Big J, my co-host of Legion of Skanks.

All right, that's right. You're back. Legion of Skanks, you're running it now. The Dave Smith is decided to be a political commentator. Well, it's three for life.

I'm not running it. I'm just part of it. I'll print it, joke world. I heard that you were the leader of the Legion of Skanks. I am.

The leader of Skanks. Well, I'm the president. In the past, I'm already like you ran for president. I think you won. I think, yeah, I won.

To one day, I'm one of these podcasts. We gotta talk about the presidential election of Legion of Skakes. It was a three month process of just non-stop creativity and stupidity. What's all about it tomorrow?

Okay. Oh, shame is involved. Yeah. Shame is my best president. There you go.

All right. I love you too. It's great to see you back. See you soon. Dude, this is about the time.

I thought about you out there where I'm like, you would love. Nascalines was one. I'm like Joe Rogan would love the Mayan Temples you would love there. I want to teach you needs a once way back in the early days. El Salvador you would have loved.

I'm sure. Just with like, for the stuff you were into, there was so much. Anyway, I love you buddy. I love you too. Jamie.

Everybody as well. I love you, Jamie. Bye. (upbeat music)