#2499 - Marcus King

- Good to see you, brother. - Good to see you, brother. - It's crazy to have you here, man. And thank you so much for the guitar.

“That's the dopest shit that anybody's ever given me.”

- I'm man, I'll be like it. - I'm sure I'll like it. I just can't play. And I would love to learn how to play, but I'd know my brain. And I can't give myself a chance to learn how to play, but I know my brain.

And I can't give myself a chance to learn how to play. - I can't give myself a chance to learn how to play. - I can't give myself a chance to learn how to play. I can't give myself a chance to learn how to play. But I'd know my brain, and I can't give my brain another thing to do.

- You got a lot. - Well, the problem is I get obsessed with things.

- Me too. - I'm sure. You can't get as good as you got without getting obsessed. - Are you like this, like, I don't like doing things I'm not good at. - I love doing things I'm not good at, to get good at them. - Right, but it's not leisurely to me, to be like golf.

I can't enjoy it because I'm bad at it.

“- Well, you'll enjoy if you get good at it,”

but the problem is to get good at it, then you gotta get obsessed. And then you gotta take less, like, Jamie's got a fucking virtual reality thing in the back where he walks balls every day. - Oh, yeah. - He's obsessive, look at it. - We're covering for meeting today. - What? - Wow.

- Yeah. - Yeah. - Where's the real good golfer? - Golf is one of those things that if you get into that, man. That's your whole fucking day. - Yeah. - He goes down. - He goes down.

- Three or four days a week. - That's right. When I was living in Boston, I noticed that the comedians that really got into golf, they're career kind of stalled, because all they were playing golf all day, haven't fun. Drinking, and then they go to the club at night, but they weren't right now in new jokes. They weren't obsessing on their career to kind of stalled out a little.

- When I still drank, I really like golfing. - Yeah. - And I quit drinking as, like, I don't really like this. - Well, did you quit drinking? - Well, I quit a few times, but most recent times, like a year and a half ago. - Well, you quit, and because you were just off the rails, or, like, got to get your health in order.

- It was kind of a combo deal, you know. Like, when I met my wife, at that point, I thought that I could drink like a gentleman.

And it just never really worked out that way.

There's just something in me that just wanted to completely burn my life to the ground. - It's just, you know, a real destructive quality. - Oh, that's not good. - Yeah. - Yeah, fortunately I never had that, but that is a thing. I've seen that. What is that?

“- I think a lot of it is repressed emotions, and that's where they find you when you're brain is.”

- Deen off the bottle. - Yeah. - They go, hey, Marcus. - Yeah, man. Let's get those problems out to this, is me. It's like, you don't need anybody, fuck everybody. - And woman and Mary, do you? - She, you don't want her. - I think sometimes people do that, take almost, like, save themselves from heartbreak, sometimes.

You kind of, like, wreck it yourself. - It's like making fun of yourself before anyone else can. - Right. - It's like that, this. - Yeah, right. Like, just assume it's going to go bad eventually. Let's get this fucking train on the tracks right now. - Crack. - Yeah. - Or. - Crack. - Yeah. - Yeah.

That was kind of my, you know, that was my approach for a while. I just, um, I don't know, man. I just, I didn't want to feel anything.

So that was all, that was where it would always end up.

I remember even asking my wife, like, a couple years ago, we opened up for the A bit brothers in Raleigh, North Carolina. And at that point, I had been sober for like six months. And I was like, I really think I can handle it. And then, and they got to, like, famous last words, I took a, a jumbo white car. Like, I started with a jumbo white car, and I just got completely hammered, blacked out.

Pist my wife up so bad, like, I woke up, and I was at our friends house still, like, on the floor. And she left in my bus. And like, my wallet, everything was on the bus. I had no identification. She was like, you can fucking figure it out, man. Wow.

And the bus turnaround come got me. But, um, yeah, she doesn't play any games. So, did you stop then? Yeah, I did. Also one night.

Yeah, I had one night off the leash, and I was gonna handle it. You know, there's just some kind of quality in me this, like, I can't stop, you know. And maybe someday I'll find it. It's like, I gotta get right in here, you know, and in here, with myself before I can really consider that again.

I quit drinking for about eight months, just because I realized I just wasn't feeling good. I was doing it because of the club. I was at the club every night, and, you know, it's like

I'll do a shot. I want to be, you know, cordial hang out with everybody, sense of community. Let's all do it together. Come on boys. And then, you know, two drinks, three drinks.

Go home, get up, feel like shit, work out. Do it again the next day, feel even shitier the next day. And it's like, god damn, I gotta take some time off. So I took about eight months off.

“I think I'm not exactly sure how much time I took off.”

And then, I had like a drink with dinner one night, and I said, this is all right.

And so, since then, I've never gotten drunk.

I've only had a drink or two. Yeah. You know, so I've managed it. But it was not an alcoholic. I was just realizing that all this fun was, it was messing up the rest of my time.

I was like, what is it? There's an expression that when you're drinking, like the, you're, you're taking a loan out on the good times that you could have had for some good times that you can have right now. Wow. And then you gotta pay it back. Yeah.

With interest. Yeah. Well, physically, the problem is physically for me, just wasn't worth it. I just, I would be working out at the gym going, why am I doing this? I keep feeling like shit.

Every time I'm working out, I'm pushing through all this, you know, toxic shit that I poured down my throat the night before. And my body's recovering from it. So I feel tired and drained.

“And then my brain wasn't working as well, you know?”

That was, that's what it was for me. It was like the anxiety and just like the dopamine depletion. And just feeling just completely, just like, and I'm somebody who's already struggling with like, that's why I drink in the first place. It's like my mental issues and just anxiety and depression.

And then it would just kind of hit me tenfold the next day.

It's always interesting to me with some with anxiety, chooses a path in life like live performing.

Yeah. Because like, if it's anything that gives people anxiety, it's live performing. And you're really good at it. It's crazy. It's like, you know, you're picking this thing that you're really good at, but that gives a lot of people anxiety and you have anxiety to begin with.

Yeah. I mean, it's like, there's something to that. It's like Dan Soder, I always quote him on this. He's like, you know, I go around each night, like, craving the approval of like thousands of people on night. You're like, you didn't think I was doing that because things went well.

Growing up, right? Like, I'm fucked up. I need all these people to tell me I'm doing a good job. But I think the idea is that eventually you channel that. And when you get yourself to get the idea,

some people have this idea that if you ever get yourself together,

somewhat, you know, if anybody ever gets totally together, you get yourself together, somewhat. And then you don't, you don't do it for the approval of it. You do it for the love of the art of it, the thing, and bringing the thing to people and getting enjoyment out of having these people have a good time.

Yeah. I think that can be done. I think you can shift your focus from, I just want these people's love to, I want to give them love. I want everyone to have a good time.

You know, I want to be up there, just fucking having a good time. They're having a good time. We all have a good time together. I make their lives feel better for a brief moment. I feel better. Everybody's, everybody's better off.

“And that's the shit, man. That's what I crave.”

And I mean, that's why, like, we just did a run of Texas hockey talks, which that was kind of the goal. It was just to get everybody in these sweaty rooms, just for the purpose of just like enjoying music again, getting back to the sticky floors.

Yeah. Well, you reached out to me because we were talking on the podcast about how Rock Rolls kind of dead. And you said, "Fuck a rock roll, I did. Come on." And I was like, "All right. Well, anybody?" I could tell me that rock roll's not dead.

It's Marcus K. Man. Yeah, I was, my boy Ben Journey and he told me, he was like, "You should text Joe." Because I was, I'm going to have a listener.

I was like, "You think I should say something?" He was like, "Yeah, fuck, tell me rock roll, I ain't dead. Man, it's here to not. Green, huh?" Well, it's not dead, but it's different. And a lot of the rock that's out now that's doing really well

is like a Southern inspired rock, which is interesting. It's like a Southern, almost country-like rock, like bluesy country rock, you know, red clay strays, like that kind of shit. They're doing great. It's like there's a lot of that out there, you know?

Like people are digging that kind of music,

I mean, like when I was in high school,

it was all Van Halen, ACDC, like that.

“There was so many big rock and roll bands,”

the stones, you know? There was just so much of that out there. And it's odd that there's not a lot of big bands like that anymore. I think it's coming back around. I've got to hope so. It doesn't make sense to me, because like the classic rock

is still, like where in the green room, and free bird comes on still, everybody's going nuts. I mean, you know? I mean, there's classics, another Southern rock and roll band, Leonard's Kinder. But there's still like a love of that kind of music,

but it's just, it's weird that it kind of, you know, you just didn't, I don't know what happened. Well, it's interesting how cyclical music industry can be. I feel like for the first time in the last 10 years, like since Urban Cowboy came out,

because I mean for the last 10 years, I've been going to LA with a cowboy hat on,

and I always get the same shit, like,

"Where do you want to park your horse?" You know? Like, "What are you up to, cowboy?" People just talk and shit. But now I go out there and everybody's got a cowboy hat on. Really? It's like chic.

Yeah, that's interesting. It's like in Vogue, like a cowboy thing. And it's hard for you to not want to wear a cowboy hat.

“Well, you know, it's just, I think rock and roll is kind of having”

a similar resurgence. Gotta hope so. I hope so. You know, I mean, there's gotta be people out there that still love it, and I just don't, I mean, I just don't understand how there's no new big bands like that.

Well, it's interesting. You know, I was actually, I was in the gym watching Led Zeppelin at Royal Albert Hall. Oh, wow. And I was like, "This is a fucking jam ban. They're jamming."

You know? And I'm like, "It's just, like, the Alvin Brothers Band was a jam ban."

They had guidelines. And that's kind of how we do our show. Like, we have songs that we're playing just to get to that improvisational section where we can just kind of, you know, work with the chemistry of the crowd and each other on stage.

And it's just, it's interesting to me, like, the way things have become subdivided, you know? It's like, you know, a jam ban unless it's like widespread or like fish or like the dad or something like that. But like, Zeppelin was a fucking jam ban.

Yeah, in a lot of ways. Yeah, especially when they're performing live. Yeah. Yeah.

“What does that ban that sounds like Zeppelin?”

Red of inflead? Yeah. Red of inflead. They're fucking great. They are, it's weird. It's weird because they sound so much like Zeppelin. But they're really good.

Yeah. So, like, I give them past. They get a pass from me. I mean, they're my boys. I really, I really like those dudes. Like, we used to party together, but they live in Nashville. And the guitar player, Jake, he's...

He's just the sweetest guy. Like, he gave me a housewarming gift. He's like, really into pirate stuff. Pirate stuff. Yeah. He's really into piracy.

And he gave me... He gave me a, like, a musket pistol. Oh, wow. What a pirate. What a carrying around. A real one. Yeah.

So, like, from the olden days? Yeah. Oh, shit. That's gonna be worth a lot of fucking money. Yeah. I mean, they're doing pretty well. Wow.

What is an old musket pistol run? How much can you get one of them for? See if you're going to find something, Jamie? Let's get it. Yeah, an old musket pistol.

You know, when the conquistadors took over Mexico, that's, they had 12 of those. That's it. 12 guns. 12 musket pistols. Wow.

Yeah. I looked that up on perplexity. Oh, shit, god. I was diving deep into how the fuck Mexico became Spanish. Yeah. You know, like, what happened?

How did it, like, they lost, like, a hundred indigenous languages at least. Wow. It's kind of crazy. But here it is.

What? You can get one from $195 modern reproduction. Oh, reproduction. What about a real one? It's down here.

And T-quans. Uh, 70th century Barbie Wars antique pirate Flintlock pistol recently sold for $416. That's it. Well, that seems crazy.

That seems crazy. That's it. It's pretty good for a gift budget. I'd say it looks, I'll, I'd say. I'm having a reproduction.

And what you just said, there'd be in 12 back then. They weren't not be that many of them that exist. Yeah. I have to make reproductions. But if this is antique pirate era muskets,

I mean, from the 17th century.

I get socks. (laughter) It's a battle. But it's from the 1600s. Is it sold for $416 bucks?

I'll try to look it up. Can you see what those look like? Let's see if we can get one. We should get one and put it on the wall. Oh, shit.

Look at that one. How much is that one?

“That's, I think that's the one that sold for $400 bucks.”

That says $155. What? That's crazy. How is this so cheap? There's the ones for $416.

God, that seems like they should be almost priceless. I mean, this is from the fucking 1600s. It's sold for $400 bucks. That one's sold for $200 bucks. Wow.

Just go pick them up.

There's a store in Austin.

But they've got a bunch. No way. Really? I went to the store. They've got a bunch of weird shit like this.

They must. They would have to happen if they're only $300 bucks I guess. I would say. And all kinds of armor and guns and cannons. What?

What places this? It's called collectors. I'll look it up real quick. There's something weird about those dudes who want to recreate wars. Yeah.

That's a odd thing. That's a very odd thing. Yeah.

“I mean, I've got the facial layer of a civil war in the right actor.”

But it's about as close as I go. Shit on the wall. Wow. Wow. That's in Austin.

Yeah. No shit. Well, that's pretty fucking dope. Yeah. Collectors cross roads.

And they're one day to see what it was about. And they have a little musket pistols. Yeah. I've got all kinds of shit. I wonder how do you know the cross roads?

Cross roads? Cross roads? Cross roads just a shitty gun. No. I'm on a fan.

It was a pirate's crossroads. Yeah. I guess it's kind of cool. But it's just. It is weird that we're really into like olds.

Like, you know, it's interesting. You're holding something that's a piece of history and what history is. Like, at the time, this was the shit. I got the time. This was like the coolest thing you can get.

Like, 400 years ago, if you wanted to kill some money, this was the way to do it. You had to get one of these things, which is very odd. Yeah. Which is very odd that. Oh, you just got enough of George Washington shit there.

But they had that sort of looks like it would be. George Washington swords? I don't know. We should get one of those for Shane. He's a big George Washington fan.

There you go. Oh, wow. Look at that. That's crazy. Yeah.

I mean, I don't even know that. That's a weird one. Look at that handle on that fucker. It's for Middle East Central Asia. It could be.

Oh, look. It's got like a dragon mouth on the back of it. That's pretty sweet. Wow. Huh.

Alright. We need one of those. Alright. We should probably do it for this episode. Come down.

Yeah. We need to go down there today before this episode. We'll fuck up there business. We go there. It's empty.

Well, those dorks have a fucking armor over their house now. It's just. People that are really into like the old wars and recreating old wars. I always. I would want to know like what's wrong with you.

Like what happened to you. Like. Yeah. It's um. I grew up with a kid that was like that.

That was obsessed with like everything army navy. Um. But his father was in the military.

But he had never gone into the military.

They wouldn't they wouldn't accept him. Why? I don't know. I don't think he can ever pass the physical. He was a bigger dude.

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“Just based on my own experience, like I remember the presidential fitness test,”

like that's a bad memory of mine just hanging on the pull-up bar. In front of all my classmates and not been able to do one pull-up.

What is the presidential fitness test?

It's something they did when I was a kid. It's like they wanted to make sure that you could do like 10 push-ups or however many pull-ups or whatever.

“How many pull-ups do you have to do for the presidential fitness test?”

There's a different standard, but they literally, this was going on in the last week, they just started up again. Donald Trump had the rice in the shambo in the White House with a couple of guys Gary Plair and his wife. Well, they had kids in there also. That's funny. It's funny because I'd go, "Hey, why don't you do it?"

Let me see you do it. Let me see you do it. Twenty two push-ups for a 10 year old. Twenty two push-ups? That's a lot.

Yeah, 45 curl-ups, that's crazy. Six pull-ups? That's a lot. What's a curl-up? What's the other way?

Like Biceps, hands pull-up with your hands. 45? Yeah. Come on. That's crazy.

Wait a minute. An eight minute mile. Come on. Is that really?

It says six pull-ups or 45 curl-ups.

But curl-ups aren't that much easier than pull-ups. Are they? I remember when I was 10 they were. But that's just being a 10 year old. Because your body, you're only like 60, you know, I don't know.

Kids are lighter than the I am. I was going to be the most. Yeah, that's nice. I was going to say there are different standards. I remember kids.

But bro, 45 is crazy. That seems excessive. That seems like a lot of reps. I don't even understand how that's possible. But that's the standard.

I don't think I could do that.

“Actually, I think there are those their sit-ups.”

It's calling out a curl-up. 'Cause here it says a mouse-up. Oh, okay. Okay, okay. Okay, sit-ups.

Okay. Okay. I wanted to call it curl-ups. 'Cause it was like 45 chin-ups. So it's like, there's pull-ups and chin-ups.

Which one's a pull-up? What's one's a chin-up? Pull-up hands over. Okay. And then chin-up is the standard.

That's 45 of those would be bonkers. That's crazy. I can't do that. That's like six pull-ups I could do. Easy.

But 45. But 45 sit-ups is still hard. That's hard, too. Well. That's a lot.

It's a standard. Huh. That's a kid's there. That seems like a lot of kids wouldn't be there for 45 sit-ups. Yep.

What are they trying to do? What are they doing to us? Yeah. I would fail, not two, so they couldn't draft me. These motherfuckers are talking about drafting people.

I was listening to Tim Dylan's show and he was saying that, see if this is true, that Palantir thinks that we should reintroduce constriction, conscription, that kids should start getting drafted again in some military. They should have mandatory military experience for kids. I just don't understand why anybody would want to support that. That sounds crazy.

Especially after this Iran war, where everybody's like, "Why the fuck are we in Iran?" And then you signed up for that. That sounds nuts. Is that real? Palantir's publicly called for the US to move away from an all-volunteer military and towards some form of universal national

service. The many observers interpret as reintroducing a draft or conscription. Tim, we got into this manifesto that I haven't looked into this show.

“Why the fuck would a tech company be saying that we need to move towards a universal national military service?”

How about fuck you? How about fuck you you go? Because you know, none of these tech doorks that are running these companies, they're not doing it. Like, what are you talking about? Yeah.

Throwing meat into the machine, throwing people's children into these unnecessary wars. Fuck you. It's scary. It's very scary. It's scary that they would, like, how about let's figure out a way to use your technology so there's no more wars?

Wouldn't that be a better goal? Right. Instead of getting kids to fucking learn how to go shoot people they don't know. Sure. Because someone tells you too.

And how many of these out of all the wars that we've been in since World War II? Is it zero that made sense? I think it's zero. I mean, there's one war that we've been in since World War II that makes any fucking sense at all. Sure.

And they're like, I think the solution is we need more people to be forced into it.

I mean, what would a draft look like in today's culture? I mean, like with inclusion would it be like anybody at 18 years old? Can you be drafted or do you think it would still be just able by the young men? That's a good question. You know, I'm for people doing whatever they want.

But when it comes to, like, combat, you're going to draft women that would be fucking insane. That would be insane. So are you not going to be sexist? Are you going to, yeah, are you going to go inclusion and say, everybody has to do it?

You know, the chance in how we're doing that.

Right. I just don't understand how people that aren't elected officials that essentially just run a tech company.

“Well, I think it's a good idea to call for national military service.”

I've heard other people say that, too. I've heard, like, podcasters and weird tech people say it's a good idea. And I don't know what the fuck they're thinking. I think they should have to go over there and experience war. And then, and then come back and see if you really think the same thing.

Sure. I, I buy that. I mean, or at least go on like a USO tour or something. Go Jeffrey Ross, see what it's about, you know? Well, then you're just going to meet people that are happy to see you.

You need to actually see combat. I just don't get why we're even listening to them. You make software. Keep doing that.

Yeah, it's interesting that they don't even have the, like, why would they say that?

It doesn't. No, it doesn't sound good. And it's also, they make weird surveillance software that a lot of people are like, "But how much are you surveilled? How much power do you have?" Like, Tim Dylan went pretty deep on it on the show,

which is, I can't recommend it enough.

“If you're not listening to Tim Dylan show, you're fucking up.”

It's the funniest fucking take on all the chaos that's going on in the world. I don't think there's anybody better right now. His podcast is fucking phenomenal. I'm, it's my must listen to podcasts every week. Yep, it's so good.

I just listen, but if you watch it, it's even more ridiculous. He would say he did this thing about them giving, "Ozampic to Babies." [laughter] Oh, it was so funny. It was so ridiculous. My dad did "Ozampic."

And he said, "Man, you know, like, you can eat through that." [laughter] He's like, "You can just keep going on. I mean, you won't feel great." But, you know, it curbs your appetite, but you can get it out. Well, Tim talked about it, because he did it.

And he said, "It didn't just stop his desire for food. It stopped his desire for everything." [clears throat] Which I've heard. So, there's some people that think there's some good in these GLP ones for addiction because it curbs whatever that is as well.

So, it can help people with all kinds of addiction. So, not just like food addictions, alcohol, but gambling, like weird stuff. I heard that. Yeah. I did, I actually, I was doing it for a minute.

And it was around the time that I was like, one of the times I was trying to quit drinking. And I was working on a record. And I was trying it out. And it actually curbed my desire for a drink. Yeah?

Yeah. What else did it do? It gave me really bad stomach cramps. Yeah. And also, I mean, that was like before I really...

I just, I don't know. At that time of my life, I just wasn't really concerned about what I put in my body. I say that while I'm smoking a cigarette. Yeah. But dude, you're smoking natural spirits.

I think those are safe and effective. Yeah. You know, add it to free. Yeah.

I just, I always wonder about these things when things come along

to people in easy fix. Okay, maybe it works. Or maybe there's some sort of side effect that's going to fuck you up for the rest of your life. And for some people there is. I mean, some people are experiencing all kinds of wild side effects. Stomach paralysis is one of them.

Brian Simpson got pancreatitis from it. Really? Mm-hmm. Yeah. He was sick and bad for like two weeks. It fucked him up.

Yeah. Well, yeah. I mean, the long term effects, like you just have no idea. Is this new? Yeah. I've also heard that the problem is the dosages are too high. And when you go into a doctor that give you a standard dosage and the way to do it,

some people feel is to make a much smaller dose than what they're prescribing. And that's what you need. You need a little bit of a curb to it, not like a complete cessation of all desire to eat. Right. And get into that high dosage. Really fast could probably be harmful.

Or have some fucking discipline. How about try that out? How about try out? Don't eat as much. Same thing. Right.

Except this way it's not going to kill your body. Or kill your stomach or make you go blind. Or what are the side effects? Because there's a lot of lawsuits. There's a shit ton of lawsuits that are coming down the pipe.

“I think people have gone blind. I think I might have made that up.”

Check that. But this is wild lawsuits. Yeah. People are claiming bad side effects from this stuff. Which, you know, makes sense.

People vary biologically.

Can cause permanent blindness. Yeah. In one eye. Oh, well, you know.

“You got your other guy and then you got a six pack.”

I stroked. I stroked. Oh, boy. Wow. Who? Non-arturistic interior, ischemic optic neuropathy.

I don't think I said that right. Sudden painless and often permanent blindness in one eye. Wow. It sounds like a punk band. There it does.

There it does. There it does. Side effects. A cute pancreatitis. That's what Brian got.

Goblet of problems. Gastroperiesis. Stomach paralysis. Bowl obstructions.

And potential thyroid tumors.

Huh. My old GI issues are common. These severe complications require immediate medical attention. Often occurring more frequently at higher doses. Yeah.

That's what they're saying. It's apparently when you're getting it from a pharmaceutical drug company, you're getting it. This is the argument for compounding pharmacies. Apparently.

And then then there's a new one that's coming out. What is it called? Ratatru-tied. Ratatru-tied. Ratatru-tied.

And this one is supposed to be better because it doesn't cause muscle loss. And it doesn't cause bone density loss. And it's supposed to be more effective. Huh. Investigational.

I mean, I don't just type them. Ratatru-tied. What would it tell me? Isn't that a weird word? Investigational.

Once weekly, injectable, triple agonist medication. Targeting GLP1, GIP, and glucogen receptors. Developed by Eli Lilly showing unprecedented weight loss results of up to 24% in phase 2 trials. They said this is going to be a trillion dollar medication. Or.

Some fucking discipline. Yeah. Go to the gym. Eat better. Be healthy.

Do what Jelly Roll did. Yeah. You know, Jelly Roll was at the club last night. He's down 300 pounds. That's fucking nice.

He runs like five miles a day. He works out every day. He looks fantastic. He looks like a different person. He's like, I knew him when he was like 500 pounds.

And now I know him when he's in the twos. It's like he's a different human. He looks different. I know it's still jelly roll, but it looks like completely different man. It's nuts.

I remember when we did. I was in the house bound for kiltony at the garden. And jelly came out and did New York New York. Yeah. That's got to be a custom suit.

That's a big suit. Yeah. And then the next time I saw him, he was like he is now. And I mean, hell, like what I did, because I have an appetite, you know.

Like what I do now, like I, I'm basically doing like a keto diet.

Because I like to eat a lot of whatever it is. So if it's like a big salad, you know, or whatever. But I'm down like 25 pounds doing that. Oh, that's nice. Yeah.

You're doing this with the help of the nutritionist. You're just doing it on your own. Student alone. Yeah. Yeah.

You're laughing. Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, it's just, I've tried a few different routes, man. I've been, you know, husky since I was a kid and shopping in the husky department. It came out.

You know, is this, do you think it's a genetic thing? Do you think it's the way you ate as a child? What do you think? I think psychological a lot of it.

“It was like the only thing I had control of as a child is like food.”

It was like, and a scarcity mindset as well. Yeah. Just like the way that I, you know, think about food is just, you know. Probably not the healthiest. So for me, it's just easier to say like I don't eat these things.

Because like, if I eat bread or something like that, it just hurts my stomach. Now, you know, and I just, I can feel like the difference when I don't eat it. You know, I just feel better. Oh, or energy. On the percent.

Yeah. Yeah. And once you get your body working on ketones too, the thing is you've just, you brain functions better. That's one of the more interesting things. This is why people take things like, um, like ketone, what is it?

It's a ketone IQ. That's stuff's great. Like you just down one of those little shots and it puts you into ketosis temporarily. Oh, really? Yeah, they're exogenous ketones.

I think the guy who just invented those just died. Um, he was also a guy that worked for Balco Labs. He developed the, the clear, that shit that Barry Bond took. Okay. The steroids.

So this guy was a chemist. He was a scientist.

“I think someone, oh, I think Chris Bell.”

Chris Bell or Mark, I think was Mark Bell. Just posted about it on his Instagram page that this guy just died. This guy was like one of America's great chemists.

But, um, that's one of the things that I noticed when I went into when I did the carnivore diet is that immediately,

“my brain just started functioning better.”

Which is, well, I try to eat most of the time. Like this morning, I ate, um, sausage and eggs and sausage from an animal that I shot. I like to do that. Nice. Like a, sayable. This is the guy.

So this is Mark's Instagram. The greatest chemist of our time, possibly any other Patrick Arnold is dead. Patrick Arnold's the guy who made the cream and the clear for the bonds and McGuire. Uh, all that bonds and McGuire blasted home runs off of supposedly.

In addition to those incredible inventions, he also brought exogenous ketones to the market.

What happened to that guy? How did he die? That's an interesting picture to put up. Yeah, looks like I was all looking at Jack Ruby. He looks healthy. I want to know how he died.

I wonder how old that picture was. Organic chemists. Interesting, die on too. Oh, he, he had all those, uh, pro, what are those, what are those, pro hormones or what are those things where the people were taking. That weren't totally steroids, but they were kind of steroid like.

How did he die? Does it say? Oh, he died at 60.

“Hmm, maybe he's experimenting on himself.”

Well, I'm just, just put it in cause of death. Oh, it should help die. I know it should come out. You would think of guy who's working on like performance and fitness. Does it say?

No. There's a reddit post, but I don't know. When you click on what happened to David Arnold? Oh, Patrick Arnold. Huh, so it just doesn't say how he died.

Nope. And it just happens so there's no other way. Oh, okay, so it hasn't been released yet. Hmm, let's say. Made a lot of roads.

You got to wonder. The dude is like doing so much work in anabolic steroids. He worked for Balco. There were the ones that are making undetectable steroids. You know about that old story.

“This is back in the, was it in the 90s, Jamie?”

The, the, the more wire on 2000. So, um, they developed steroids that were undetectable. So, when they would test for steroids, what they would do is they would take, because when I guess the way it works is when they're doing a steroid test, they're looking for very specific molecules.

So, they invented a molecule that had like additional things attached to it. Where it wouldn't show up. I'm not probably but you're in that. But essentially, there were undetectable steroids. One of them was called the clear.

And the guy who ran the lab was called Balco Laboratories. His guy Victor Conti, who eventually went to jail for that. And then when he, I don't know why he went to jail. But he got out and then became an anti steroid sort of activist. And he was, I don't know what to say, activist.

But he was essentially, he was ratten people out and saying that this guy's probably doing steroids. And this is how he's doing it. And then a lot of athletes were using his company to use steroid free performance enhancing supplements that were legal. So, he would show you what's legal and how to do it. And you knew a lot about it because he did the illegal stuff too.

Interesting. Yeah. I've got, I've gotten a couple steroids shots. Before a show, like, my voice goes out. Like, what kind of, is it like a cortisol?

Or, I guess that's what it is. It's like that one that they shooting your ass cheek. Hmm. What does that do? Like, for your voice?

When your voice does? Just brings you back. Man, it's got to be rough. What a fucking singer loses their voice. Yeah, I mean, people have asked me before, like,

what my warm-up routine is, and like, I've never had one.

And I do. A couple cigarettes that used to be shot a whiskey. If I was really in dire straits, I would take, like, a handful of sugar free gummy bears. And put boiling water on that. Really?

And then the gummy bears would, like, coat my throat. Huh. Like, honey, ginger, lemon. Yeah. Hot water and lemon is a really good one.

There's something about that that you see. Really? It's like, time off. This is what fucks my voice up more than anything. Time off.

Yeah. The vocal cords get out of shape. Interesting. 'Cause it's hard to, like, keep 'em up, you know? Right.

Unless you're, like, going in your garage and screaming for two hours. And, you know, that's crazy.

I never thought about it like that.

Like, your vocal cords are essentially a muscle like any other.

And you get endurance. That makes sense. Yeah.

“So, like, the pandemic was, like, the first time”

that a lot of us, like, had any extended amount of time off from the road. And we all started noticing, like, "All right, at least me." Like, I came back, like, hurting a little bit. Oh, that makes sense. I saw guns and roses in Athens, Greece.

Mm-hmm. And, uh, axle rose, you know, has that crazy singing style. Yeah. It's like a vah! Like, and that has to be fucking hell on your voice.

And, you know, the show was amazing. But his voice is not the same. Mm-hmm. And there's no way it can be. Um, I know Steve and Tyler, like, he's back.

Is he? Yeah. So he quit for a while. But he was, like, I can't sing. And then he healed up.

And now he's back again. I don't know exactly what he did. But I played with him back in January.

And, like, the boy's always back.

No shit. That's fucking great. Singing his ass off. That's fucking great. I loved to hear that.

Mm-hmm. I saw the stones a couple years ago in the circuit of the Americas. And Mitch Jagger can still whale. Yeah.

He could still whale. That was a great fucking show. Almost surreal. It's got a lot of energy too, man. So much energy.

It's crazy.

“He has two trailer trucks that he brings with them”

that are just Jim equipment. Wow. Everywhere they go. Two big-ass trailer trucks. Just filled with Jim equipment.

They say it works out seven days a week. That's awesome. And he's 180,000 years old. He's still up there. Still up there.

And Keith Richards's opposite approach. Whiskey, cocaine, LSD. No problems. Still there too. So it's like, yeah.

Find something you love and stick with it. I know. It's so funny. Like, that makes me think of like, we went out with Willie a few times.

And Willie's got like, like, most artists. He's got like 18 tractor trailers back there. But like, I don't know if you've been to a Willie Nelson Show recently. It's like, there's nothing on stage.

I'm like, what's in all these fucking trucks?

I never really got to the bottom of that.

But they're like, seven or eight truck drivers back there. It's all weed. It must be all weed or something. Go in. It's all grow lights and plants and shit.

He's got that drink that they sell. Oh, yeah. He's got that weed drink. Well, there's remedy. Yeah.

And Ron White brought some to the green room of the colony mothership. And some of them saying, oh, you can't get it. That's not real. I'm like, it's real as fuck dude. That stuff's very legit.

It's real. Yeah. It's very, I don't know what the rules are, the laws are. I don't know. I think it's starting to become like a gray area.

It should be. I mean, they just made it schedule three. Okay. So what that means is, and I mean, it's a great step in the right direction.

I'm very happy that the president did that. It really should be regulated the same way alcohol is. It should be for adult use. 21 and older. It shouldn't be maybe I wonder what the issue.

Well, I'm sure there's a bunch of issues, right? There's like lobbies that are trying to keep it illegal. Like there's the alcohol lobby that doesn't want it legal because it cuts down on alcohol sales. And I know they lobbied to try to make sure those laws stay in place. And then unfortunately, you have prison guardians that lobby for it, which is fucked.

They want to keep their job. And so the way they keep their job is to keep people locked up. And the way they keep people locked up is keep laws that don't make sense. Like that's fucked up. Fucked up.

That's a, that's an evil fucking. It just doesn't make any sense.

“If you can buy alcohol, you should be like,”

I'm not saying you should drink alcohol. You don't drink alcohol anymore. Like I said, I took months off. It's like you should have some self control. And I know some people don't.

But get your shit together. You should, but other people are fine without alcohol. If you go to the bar, have a drink or two, go home. Go out to dinner, have a drink, go at home. Have a drink while they're watching TV.

And they're fine. Yeah. It should be a personal choice. No adult should be able to tell you what you can and can't do. And be able to lock you up in a fucking cage if you don't listen.

That's nuts. And in a free country, in this country is as free as it gets in this world. There's no way we should be illegal. We should be regulated and it should be only for people that are adults. Or, you know, you have to be 21 to be able to buy it.

So look, it's never stopped kids from getting alcohol.

They still get alcohol. It's not stopping kids right now from getting weed. They can still get weed. But if it was legal and regulated, first of all, we'd get taxes from it. And that would be huge for every state.

You'd get a ton of tax money that you're not getting right now. And also you would keep people from getting locked up for their own personal choices. Which is just insane.

I mean, not a lot of people get locked up for personal use these days.

That's pretty rare. But there's still, there's just way too many laws. Yeah. I mean, it's interesting too. Like, if you have like, like CBD flower.

Like, technically, that's illegal. Yeah. So like, if you just put some of your cannabis in that CBD container,

“like, are there ways to like test that on the side of the road?”

Like if you get pulled and they search your car? No, I'm not on the side of the road. But they could confiscate it and then test it, I think. But there's weird things about like legalization of, I was watching a YouTube video about what Texas's laws were. And Texas's laws are the amount of THC by volume.

So the thing about that is, if you get like gummies, like a 10 milligram gummy will pass that by volume and be legal. So are you saying that people can take 10 milligram THC gummies and that's legal? Yeah. Because they'll fuck you up.

Like, if you don't smoke weed, a 10 milligram THC gummy, we'll have you going, oh. Take two of those. And who knows what's going to happen here? I just watched this movie that a friend of mine was in this movie.

Lany Wilson. And we watched the movie and I don't want to spoil the movie for anybody. But it turns out that the girl, like, she went to jail because she was impaired while driving. And she was impaired by weed gummies. And I was like, that's kind of okay.

Well, depends on how much you took. Yeah. But if you take 200 milligrams, you get behind the wheel. You're not going to be because I can show what the road is. 200 milligrams is a lot.

Yeah. So that's pretty impaired. That's equivalent to like eight shots of whiskey and then getting in your truck. Yeah. You're impaired.

I guess you're right. I don't think you should drive on weed.

“I definitely don't think you should drive fucked up.”

But it's like the same, like, I don't advocate drinking and driving either. But if you have like one drink and drive, like, you're going to feel like a little relaxed and lubricated, but I don't know how much you'll be in. And it also varies on who the person is. If the person is used to drinking all the time, one drink is not going to do a damn thing

to them. But for some people, one drink will make you drive stupid. You'll do stupid things. Yeah. It's a, it's all a personal responsibility thing.

That's the bottom line about all of it.

And yeah, you shouldn't be out there drinking and driving. You shouldn't be out there eating 500 milligrams. Metables and fucking driving in a car. No. So, I'm going to one time my drummer had this like THC spray.

If you ever fucked with that. Oh yeah, we had that back in California. Yeah. Like, breast spray. Yeah.

And I was still drinking at the time and me and my wife were both just hammered. And we were on this a ferry. Like the tour bus goes on to the ferry. And the ferry carries you over from France to the UK. And we were like sitting in the lounge area on the ferry.

And he had this spray and I was like, it's not doing anything. I was doing it. And my wife both kept just spraying it. No. And now woke up in my bed.

Just like in a car tune. Just like completely removed from reality. And yeah, it was a bad, bad scene.

“I remember one time I took a, they had these THC breath strips that they used to sell.”

And the problem with these things, and this is back in the pre legalization days of pre 2016 in California. And so each store you would get weed out. Like they would have medical stores. So you could go to a doctor and say, hey, doc, I got it. Can you, you need medicine.

And they would write your prescription. And then you can go.

And like there's always reasons to have it.

Just like there's reasons to have Tylenol. Do you get a headache? Yeah, well, then you need it. So you could get it pretty easy. And they had these breath strips.

And I took one and I got on a plane. And I closed my eyes when I was lying to the plane. And I was watching neon, like cartoon characters that are made out of neon light. And they were having sex. It was an orgy of car, and I was just lying there with my eyes closed.

Watching these cartoon neon characters fuck. And they were fucking in like complete blackness, like void. So it was just the colors of their weird bodies. Just banging each other. And then they would shift shapes and another one will pile on.

And they were, I was like, this is crazy. It was very psychedelic. It was almost like, but when I'd open my eyes, the world was normal. Yeah. It wasn't like I was the world was wiggling.

And I was just, I didn't mean to do. I was flying all the way in New York. It was a six hour flight by the time it landed.

But I was like, this is great.

Like how much is in these fucking things? Because they're not making them the same labs where they're making fucking Tylenol. You know, I mean, it's some hippy. That's what I'm doing.

It was like pouring weed into a machine. Yeah. Can't remember whether I put weed in there. Because he's high as fuck. So he adds double.

They're very inconsistent. It's like the micro doses that I used to get in making Georgia. I was like, somebody's just stronger than other ones. He's like, yeah. He's like depending on the day, my boy house.

Like, yeah, he's kind of ride it for whatever it is.

“Well, that's why we need legalization regulation.”

That's the beautiful thing about whiskey. You get a glass of whiskey. You get a shot. You know exactly what that shot's going to do. The shots of whiskey have been having the same impact

on human beings for hundreds of fucking years. You can quantify it. Yeah. And that's how it should be with all these things.

But the problem is when they're outlawed,

you know, some of them are, you know, a glass of wine. Some of them are fucking moonshine. Like, you need regulation. And it's the idea that there's laws against people's personal choices. Fucking stupid, man.

This plenty of laws that are good. Don't murder people. Don't rob. Don't rape. Don't do this.

Don't do that. That's great. Don't vandalize. Great. Great laws.

Makes sense. Better society. Laws on personal choices. Especially things that you might enjoy.

“Like, having a joint with your wife, you know, after dinner”

and just sitting there and watching Netflix together. Like, the fucking arm thugs can burst into your house and take the joint away from you. Like, who are we protecting? Who are we serving?

Who are we protecting and serving with that? That's dumb. Yeah. It's just bad for society. And it creates this business.

Once a business is established, the business of enforcement. Once that business is established, that business doesn't want to go away. Because now you have a bunch of people

whose jobs depend on enforcing laws and enforcing these things that don't make any sense. And they want to protect that. Because that's their livelihood. So now you've got a quagmar.

Now you're in a fucking terrible situation. There's no easy way out. Other than ripping the bandaid off and making it legal. You're also propping up the cartels. I see other problem with it being completely illegal in this country.

Federally. It's like, well, guess what? There's still a demand for it. So legal companies that actually employ people and give the employees health care

and have rules and regulations. Now they're not making it. So they're not growing it. So instead, you have fucking cartels that are growing it in California

on public land. Because if you get caught, it's just a misdemeanor. Because it's legal in California.

“So literally, I think it's more than 80 percent”

of all the weed that sold in the United States that's illegal is growing in California on public lands by the cartel. And they use toxic pesticides and herbicides. They use all kinds of shit

that you're not allowed to use in normal farming. Right. And the only reason why it exists is because we've made these stupid fucking laws. So now that it's scheduled three,

it's in the same category as like Tylenol with Codine, which is not bad. It's certainly better than scheduled one, which is ridiculous. So now, hopefully, once they do more testing

and more studies, they can get to a point where federally it's legal and regulated. That would be the best case for everybody. Just in the same categories, alcohol, get all that tax money from it,

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This is what I talked about when I went to the White House recently, which is hilarious thing to say for a retard like me. And I helped get things scheduled. I mean, when it all goes down in the history books,

It's going to be really confusing.

“They're going to be like, "Fuck in that guy.”

What the fuck happened?" So when in 1970, the Richard Nixon administration passed the Control Substances Act. And it made DMT, Silicide, Ben, LSD. All these different things, it made them schedule one.

So the idea is that there was no better, including Ibogame, which is crazy, which means it has no medical benefit. And harmful, and addictive, all these different qualities that they attach to it.

But the only reason they did that was to target the civil rights movement. The civil rights movement and the anti-war movement. That's what they were doing. They didn't like the fact that these people were causing trouble. And then they were organizing marches.

And doing all these different things, we're disrupting the government. And there was also this movement where people like, "Why are we living the way we're living?" Like, this was the '60s.

Like, why are we doing them what we're doing? Well, I don't want to be like my parents. They're not happy.

“You know, I want to live a life that's like freer.”

I want to be filled with love and joy. And I want to have a good time and follow the grateful data around. So a lot of people in government were very concerned with this new movement. And if you go and music is a great example. Like, if you look at the music of the 1950s,

and then you look at the music of the 1960s. Like, what the fuck happened? Yeah. Like, if you look at the music of 2016, in the music of 2026, not much difference. Right? Right? It's all great.

It's all, but it's like, it's not.

There's not some revolutionary crazy new change.

But you saw that from 1959 to 1969. There is a radical difference. A radical difference. 1950, you got like, you go from Buddy Holly to Jimmy Hendrix. Like, okay, what the fuck happened? Something crazy must have happened.

And it's drugs. It's psychedelic drugs. It's like the Stone A3 in, you know, our modern society. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. And this terrified the administration.

“And they were really worried that they were going to completely lose control of the country.”

And so they passed this controlled substance exact. And that happened in 1970. And from that time on, we've been fucked. You know, for 56 fucking years, we've been under the grip of this stupid fucking law

that was passed by the Nixon administration. It didn't make any sense.

Some of the drugs that they attitude aren't even psychoactive.

They just threw a bunch of stuff in there. And they missed a bunch of potent ones. Yeah. They missed five methoxy DMT. They missed five MEO DMT,

which is one of the most potent psychedelics. If not the most potent psychedelics. You used to be able to buy that online. Oh, wow. Dude, there was a company that you could order from.

And they would send you a fucking jug of it as big as this. Now, the amount that gets you blasted into the center of the universe and introduces you to God is like the size that goes on your pinky. Yeah. Like your pinky nail.

Like that amount. You smoke that. You'll see God. And you could just buy a fucking jar of it online. There was a company called the American Chemical Company.

American Chemical Company or American Chemical Corporation. And it used to be able to just buy five methoxy DMT. And they would just send it to like a jar of vitamins. Wow. And then you could go to head shops and buy salvia.

Oh, yeah. So salvia is a fucking insanely potent psychedelic, which, by the way, is also sage. Like sage is the same family, the same genus as salvia. So like think about it sage, meaning wise.

Like like an old sage. Yeah. And meanwhile, that is one of the most potent psychedelics in the world. And so kids were going to head shops and buying salvia. I don't know if they've made that illegal now.

They probably have, right? Is salvia illegal now? I think so. I don't know. So are you sure fear on Brian Redbans podcast?

Do you know the story? No. Okay. Are you sure fear went on Brian Redbans podcast and took a giant hit of salvia and went under for like 10 minutes.

And when he came back, he said that he had lived six months under the water with a entire different community of human beings out of the water. Had relationships, had a job. Like had a six month experience and then came back in that 10 minutes. And he was so confused.

He was so baffled. He's like, I had a life under there. I had a girlfriend. I had friends. He goes, I had all these experiences.

No shit. Yeah.

He's crazy. He's fun. He came out to my show in New York. He's the man. He is the man.

“But I mean, that's that's how potent this fucking salvia stuff is.”

By the way, a lady had a very similar experience recently who went into a coma. So she was in a coma for an extended period of time. I want to say it was like a few months. And when she came out, she had a whole life that she said she had triplets. And she had, like, she was married all these different things.

Here is a story. She asked for her triplets after waking up from a coma.

Doctors say they never existed when she woke from a coma.

First thing she did was ask for her three daughters. Medical staff was stunned. They're response shattered her entire world. Just like that. The children she had nursed, watched, grow, and deeply cared for over seven years were gone.

So she was placed in a medically induced coma for three weeks. And what followed was a dream of a lifetime quite literally. She was obviously not aware that she was in a coma instead. She slipped into a dream at a lifetime unfolded before her eyes. Talking to the outlet the team recalled having extremely intense dreams and nightmares.

She was not aware that she was in a coma at the time. So this dream became her reality. So she became a mother. She said it felt so real.

“She felt the physical and emotional pain throughout the hallucination.”

I could feel so many things. When I dreamed about giving birth, I felt the stress. I also felt a lot of pain in this dream. I gave birth to triplets, who I named Meela Miles. And my Lee died shortly after birth.

I felt so awful overwhelmed with sadness and guilt she recalled. She remembers the first skinned skin contact that she had with her babies. It was incredible. I felt an overwhelming wave of love she added. In her dream she lived for seven years and watched her daughters grow up.

Each had their own personalities. One was quite shy. The other was a bundle of energy. I remember walks, meals we shared and bedtime stories. She loved them with all her heart.

And then she woke up from the coma and was told that her children never existed.

That's when they told me they didn't exist. I was in shock. I was so convinced that it was real that the time I saw my parents again. I told them they were grandparents. Wow.

That makes you wonder. What is reality?

“What is this thing that we're currently experiencing?”

Yeah. We're currently experiencing this thing. But what is this? Is this everything? Is this the whole thing?

Or is this like one channel on an infinite radio? And just while we're on that channel, we think this is the radio. Right. What I mean is maybe when you go to sleep.

Maybe that's just as real as being awake.

Have you thought? The idea that you just shut off every night is bananas. Yeah. We look forward to it. Oh, can't wait to just go away.

Go away from you. Can't wait to not exist. And if you don't, like, if I don't get enough sleep, I'm like, whatever happens during the dream time, the sleep time, the recovery, I feel it.

I've, my waking life, like, I haven't done what I'm supposed to do by sleeping for an extended period of time. So this reality is compromised. This reality, I'm dumber. My memory sucks.

I'm more tired. I don't have any energy. I can't wait to go to sleep. Can't wait to shut off. So I can pay back the void.

Pay back the void. The time I owe into the dreamland of bizarre dreams. Yeah. And just the symbolism of dreams, too. I've been having a lot of crazy dreams lately.

Like what? I dream about snakes a lot, which is a good, it's a good sign. Is it? Yeah, dreaming about snakes, evidently, just represents, like, shedding your skin, going into something new, you know, growing.

Or you're surrounded by people who want to getcha. Or maybe that. Yeah. Which most can be true. You know, the music business.

Yeah. It's a lot of snakes. Isn't it every business, though? Yeah. I mean, just the idea, like, the business side is just so in contrast to, like,

the artistic sensibility, you know, and artists is supposed to be. Not supposed to be, but just, like, psychological, or make-up is more, just, like, open, and just more, just, like, giving and wanting to share your craft with somebody. And more emotional, you know? Yeah.

And then having to be, like, a shark and having to think, like, these snakes, contracts. Yeah. Sign the target line, Marcus. You're gonna make so much money, Marcus.

It's just seven years. With an extension.

Don't worry about these songwrites.

Yeah. You'll have other songs in the future. Right. They'll be even better. Better on yourself, Marcus.

Take the money. Don't you want a big house. Don't you want a fancy car. You need a Rolex. Have you ever seen light night with a devil?

Uh, yes. That's the talk show? Yeah. Yeah. That is great, man.

Who made that? Ah. That's a good question. That's a really good movie. We watched it on the bus one night.

I was like, whoa. That was like 2019 or something? It was heavy. Yeah. This was, uh, 2024.

Oh, it's an Australian movie.

Jack Delroy, the host of a failing. It's in 1977. Jack Delroy, the host of a failing, late night show, decides to film a Halloween special. However, the broadcast takes a dark turn,

unleashing evil into the nation's living rooms. Yeah, that's a dope movie. It's really fun. It's fucking scary shit, too. It was scary.

Yeah, it was good.

“Bro, you know what's fucking scary as shit and really good?”

That I just found out about, but from my daughter, there's a new show called, well, it's not even new. It's like four seasons. It's called From. From.

Yeah. It's on, it's on like, uh, it's on Apple TV. I don't know if it's an Apple show, but it's on Apple TV. It's with the dude from Lost.

Yeah. One of the dads from Lost. Harold, pair and new. Lost also the fucking show. He's been in a lot of things.

Yeah. He's great. And the show is fucking terrifying. It's, it's very original and very weird. Um, so it came out in 2022.

That's for season premiere on Epics. Uh, okay. What's it on now? Is it just on Apple TV? Shhh.

Shhh. Shhh. Epics. MGM+. Yeah.

So it says in 2018, YouTube read.

“Remember we were talking about YouTube read?”

Canada and Italy. It's on Paramount+. India's on Amazon Prime. I was on all over the place. Huh, MGM+.

So it appeared on Epics. I don't even know what MGM+ is. And maybe that's just the company that's the production company. So in 2026, they renewed the series for a fifth and final season. It's fucking good, man.

It's good and it's really scary. It's really scary and fucking creepy and horrific. It's about these people. That are stuck in this town that doesn't make any sense. Like the town doesn't make any sense.

And you can't get out of the town. And at night time, people come out of the woods with their not people. And they're like these monsters. And if you let them into your house, you can't let them into your house. But if you let them into your house, they're butcher you and tear you apart.

And people, they try to trick you in letting them into your house. Like, I'm not doing it justice. It sounds stupid. But here's the picture. But it's really scary, man.

It's really scary and really creepy. To the point like, I'm watching, I get anxiety. And I don't like watching shit like that. Poor I go to bed. Yeah.

Because then I get like, we're dreams. I start getting-- Because it's like children are in trouble in it. I'm a father. And when I see children in trouble, I get fucking freak out.

You know, there's part of you to like, the sheep dog. And you know, just like, right. So it's a good show though. My wife gets on to me. I like, it's like forensic files.

Oh, it's supposed to be out. I love it. You like that before you go to bed? I don't know why. That's crazy.

It's my comfort. How people murdered people? Yeah.

“I remember that show on HBO, The Autopsy Show.”

That was like one of the first ones.

Okay. Do you know that show? The Autopsy one. It was this guy, Dr. Michael Badden. And what he was was a forensic scientist

that would catch people that had murdered people. And got away with it. They would exhum bodies and find things. And it was all these different cases of where someone had gotten away with murder. But then they discovered how they did it.

It was very, very interesting. Wow. People are fucking weird, man. Like, you know, a lot of like wives poisoning their husbands. And like multiple husbands died of similar ways.

Yep. Nurses that poison the people under their care. Some fucked up people out there. Some fucked up people out there, man. And the crazy thing is they get away with it.

That's the crazy thing. It's for every one that Michael Badden catches.

Yep.

“Like, what percentages of murders in America go unsolved?”

Let's put this into perplexity. Our AI sponsor and find out what the deal, what do you think it is? What percentage of murders go unsolved in America? Uh, that's a good question. I mean, yes.

Fifty, sixty percent. Whoa. But I don't know how you quantify it. I guess you find out, well, someone gets murdered. And they don't catch anybody.

Oh, right. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. That's half.

Wow. So you're saying there's a chance. Yeah. Yeah.

Approximately 40 to 50 percent of murders in the United States go unsolved.

It means it roughly half of all homicide cases do not result in the rest or resolution. So I was talking to somebody. And someone who lives in their community got arrested because the wife went missing. And they got the wife's DNA from this guy's chainsaw. They have no body.

They have no evidence. Other than there's some DNA on his chainsaw. And, you know, he's playing stupid. So he's in jail now. But everybody that knows him.

Like, like, these, these friends of mine. They know the family. They knew him. They knew her. And he's just in jail.

And they don't know if they have enough evidence to convict him. And so he's been in jail for a while now. And they're trying to gather in our evidence for trial. But all they have is like DNA. I don't even know what that means.

Like, how much DNA?

“Like, did he clean the chainsaw and not do a good job?”

I don't know what that means.

But like, she, like, out, like, trimming edges.

Who knows? That's the thing. It's like, you could use a chainsaw and accidentally scratch yourself. Like, you don't even have to cut yourself.

It doesn't even have to be on. Like, if you're, you know, taking a chain. I don't know why the wife would be taking a chainsaw. I don't know. I mean, some women are capable of only doing it.

But my wife, you know, she would accidentally scraped your arm with this chainsaw. And they went over every blade with a swab. But probably could find your DNA. Oh, my God.

You did it. Yep. I don't know. I don't know what happened. But apparently, these people that I know

believed that the husband chopped this lady up. Oh, really? Yeah, they think he did it. They're fighting a lot.

I remember when I was a kid, my sister used to,

and like, chains actually got a really funny bit about how diabolical older sisters are. And just, my sister used to say,

“"I hope you go to jail for something you didn't do."”

Wow. I hope you get wrongfully convicted for something and you're in jail forever. She's a terrible thing to say to somebody, "What did you do to her to make her say that to you?"

Who fucking knows? That's dark. I hope you go to jail for something you didn't do is so evil. Wow.

We're very close now. Are you? Oh, yeah. Well, she was a kid. How old was she when she did that?

She's two years older than me, so she must have been like nine or ten. People say things. Good stuff. And nine or ten, they're just being kids.

Yep. That's a diabolical mind though. Yeah. That's how you want someone to suffer. You want someone to emotionally suffer

for something they didn't do forever. I heard her in a neighborhood. It was a vacant house across from mine. And they locked me in the back fence. My sister was like, "This is where you live now."

Wow. They were like, "At least you break that window." And I was like, "I don't want to break the window." And like, "So we're not like," they said, "Well, we're not letting you out of this gate."

And I probably could have waited it out, but I was like five or six. So I just said, "All right." So I took a brick to the window and they're like, "Well, we're going to go tell 'em," you know?

That's like, "Wow." Really fucked up. What the fuck does she do now? My sister is actually, she's a badass man. She's, she drives for the department of transportation.

She's got her CDL. She's a house. Sounds like she has some devious thoughts in her mind. She's, yeah, sounds like she should write books. I know, she's so smart.

She sounds very creative, you know? Like, she's manipulating a five-year-old and breaking a window. She could tell a lot of them. But as a seven-year-old, yeah.

Now, she's awesome. But actually, I had a good friend. I told that story to. And she loved it so much. She got me a welcome man from my house that said,

"This is where you live now." [laughter] That's fucked up, man. Right. Where did she learn that kind of behavior?

Probably my mom. Oh, was your mom like that? My mom was pretty wild, yeah. Yeah. Hmm.

Yep. I had an interesting upbringing. Most artists do. Especially most interesting artists. I don't know a lot of interesting artists

that say along with my childhood was perfect. It was amazing. There was so much love and everybody was really supportive and understanding. Yeah.

We talked a lot about stuff. Yep. Spokeware and our feelings mostly. Yeah. They're on the dinner table.

No.

There's always some sort of element of psychological torture

and all. [laughter] Or some kind of abandonment or something. Yeah. Something.

Did you uncle? Whatever you did? Yep. Something ignoring you. Yeah.

And just not making you a priority. Making you not feel special. Or making you feel like you're a burden. Something something that causes you to like want exorbitant amounts of attention from strangers.

Sure. Yeah. But look, that's where the great stuff comes from, which is really wild. Like there's this concept that you cannot have good

without evil. Hmm. And I think there's something to that.

“I think it's just part of the human condition”

for whatever reason. You don't appreciate good and less of your experience bad. Which is why rich kids are fucked. You grow up rich with everything you've ever wanted.

There's no struggle. It's so difficult for those people to ever be exceptional. Right. Because they don't have the motivation. They don't have that.

They haven't experienced the bad. Not in that way. Like I remember. I went on a hunting trip with my friend, Steve Renella and Brian Cowen.

We went to Alaska and it rained every day. It rained like six days and we were so gonna wet. And we came back to LA. And it was sunny. And I was driving my car.

And I had to call my friend Steve and I said,

Dude, I have never been happier.

The sun hits my face. I'm so appreciative. I'm so... And I've never felt like this. Like it's always like this in LA.

Yeah. But it never meant anything to me. It was just another day in LA. I gotta go to work. But this one day I was like just filled with gratitude.

And I was so happy. The sun on my face felt so good and warm. And I realized, oh, you have to suffer. In order to really appreciate the good. Like if it's just all good, you're not gonna appreciate it.

You don't... You need evil people so that you really appreciate the people they're beautiful and that you love. Right. You need people that suck so you appreciate people that are kind. Yeah.

You need people that are mean so you appreciate the ones that are nice. Yeah. Just people that are on the level. Just people that are like no agenda. Yeah.

Just kind people. And it is that duality that kind of gives you perspective.

“That's what I meditate on every day's perspective.”

That's why I wonder about the music business. And then even the comedy business. I think kind of any business. I'm sure it's the same with the music. It's rather a movie making business as well.

It's like you almost need these rotten vampire cunts that are... You know what I mean? It's like to say you won't abandon. [laughter] But so that like when you see fellow musicians that you love,

like you give them a hug, like you embrace each other. Like you know what I mean? It's like we're together now. It's all right. We're okay.

It's trauma bonding. Yeah. We're away from the vampire cunts. It's like my boy Charlie Crocket, you know?

Charlie always says like you can do what they do.

They can't do what you do. Hmm. Charlie's great. He's a fucking... He's an interesting dude too.

Very interesting dude. Very interesting life. Like the life that I had and playing street music for so long and finally getting discovered. Hmm.

Very. Like again.

“But that's how you get a person like that.”

When you talked about his childhood, I fucked up. It wasn't crazy. He was basically just on his own from the time he was a teenager. Just running around, just singing songs. Yep.

You know? Like that's how you get a person like that. Yeah. You can't create a Charlie Crocket in a lab. No.

Or a jelly roll. You don't create those in a lab. They gotta go to jail first. [laughter] I mean, jelly's like one of the most beautiful people I've ever met in my life.

He's one of the nicest, sweetest, kindest, warm, affectionate people. Everybody hugs everybody, tells everybody he loves them. And he means it. And because he's been through hell. You know?

And that's how you make a person like that. Billy's in like a constant state of like... Like when you run into somebody after they've had an ayahuasca experience. Yeah. He has this constant like gratitude.

Yes.

Yeah. You know? He's just... I don't know.

There's something really pure to that.

Yeah, he's maintained it. Especially now that he's on this like health journey.

“I think that sometimes the momentum of life takes over.”

And you kind of forget those beautiful moments. You're grounded in these moments where you realize like, God, I'm so lucky to have a beautiful family that I love and friends that I love and be able to do what I do for a living. God, I'm so lucky. And that feeling like sometimes it goes away because you're dealing with this and that and contracts and fucking.

Then New York Times wrote a hit piece on you. Oh, shit. You forget. Yes. You lose your perspective.

But I almost feel like you need all those other shitty elements. To just reinforce the good elements. That there's this constant sort of mechanism that's going on where there's this constant process of pros and cons of negatives and positives. And they're duking it out to see who writes... And the more the negative comes out, the more it has this creative desire inside of you to excel with your music or your art or whatever it is that you do.

To just push past it. I mean, think about some of the great songs that people have written just about the struggles that they've gone through just even in the music business. You know? Yeah. Like Leonard Skinner, working for MCA.

You know, there's a lot of those songs like that. People just want to tell you what the fuck they've been through. Yeah. Less chic, freak out. What's that about?

about. They weren't like, they weren't allowed to get into studio 54. They went and let them in. And the song was originally written as fuck you, you know. Dada, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da. Fuck you. Oh, really? Yeah. They went and said it's freak out. Yeah. And then I ended up being a major hit. You know. That was because they couldn't get into a club. Yeah. That's pretty crazy. Pretty crazy. Yeah. But it is just about threading that needle of like wanting more for yourself. But for the right reasons.

“And that's something that I think about every day. It's just like having a virtuous reason to want more,”

you know, not just for the sake of having it or for hoarding wealth or anything like that. It's like, I want to work to where I can get to a place where, you know, a wife and I can have our own bus and raise kids on the road, you know. But you can't do that unless you have a certain profit margin on the road,

you know. So I'm always kind of trying to think of like virtuous causes to want more, you know.

Because in reality, you know, I should be grateful for everything that I do have. But also speaking to that, you know, and trying to meditate on the things that I'm grateful for every day. That's a good perspective. I think people get trapped in working towards a result. Instead of thinking about the process, I try to be process oriented. I try to like think about whatever I'm doing, just try to be better at it and do a better job at it. And I think the other

stuff sort of takes care of itself. If you have the right people, and that's where the evil content vampires come in, because they'll steal all that goodwill. Like if you leave the door open, like on that TV show on from, you let them in. Yep. They'll fucking tear you apart.

“That's how you up. Yeah. Just, and it's hard because you don't want to become jaded. Right. You don't”

want to become like, I feel like I meet a lot of people out there who like they're open and they're kind, but they're not interested in making any new friends. You know, it's like they have their circle. And I don't want to hear that kind of understand that. I get that, you know, but it's hard. You know, you've got to maintain a certain level of perspective not to become like angry. Yeah. Yeah. It's hard. And it's hard to know who you could let into your circle, too.

Well, you've got to give people a stress test. You know what I mean? Yep. It's almost like you have to give them a baggy and then have a fake cop. Correct. Yeah. And say where'd you get Marcus can't give it to me. Oh, got your bitch.

I ran into this guy recently and basically what happened was I was on jam cruise years ago.

I was super fucked up and I was supposed to sit in with this band called Nottie Professor from New Orleans and they're like, that's a great name. They're so good. And they're just outrageously talented musicians and I had gone out on an adventure that morning on a catamaran. I didn't know what the fuck catamaran was. I didn't know if it was land air or sea vessel.

And we're just like looking at all the fish and I'm a girlfriend at the time and a base player friend of mine from a back-all lettuce is named Jesus. So out there with my girlfriend at the time in Jesus's name is Jesus. Yeah. Not Jesus. Well, his name's Eric. But he goes by Jesus. Oh, boy. Boy, how did Eric get in your circle? I don't think it's a Messiah complex or anything.

“I think it's just a neat name. It's stuck. But they were tripping on acid and I was”

drunk on rum and beer and just out there waiting and like when we came out for air, the boat or we had drifted quite of ways from the boat and like we couldn't get their attention and like the wave started crashing and like a storm started rolling in. Oh, like fog waves and like

you know, I'm not the strongest swimmer, you know, but we were basically, you know,

we were treading water out there for like 40 minutes and like holy shit dude. We were we were gonna drown and finally the dude jumped off the boat and came out there and then he was like yelling at me because I didn't have flipers on. So it's just out there with just my shorts on and some goggles and he signaled for the boat to come around and they pulled us up out of the water. So after that, we were celebrating our life, you know. So I got completely hammered and then I was on the boat

as I wanted to pick me up, you know, because I got to sit in with these guys and they're like college educated like jazz musicians. So this guy comes over, he's like, hey man, you know, you're too ski and I was like, yeah, me up and he pulled out a spoon and he digs it down in the back and I go to take it and it's like a small little mountain. I was like, get me a little more and he gave me some more and big snowing my whole face went numb and I was like, and it's stung.

And I was like, whoa, what the fuck was that? And he was like, I did a little blow and I was like, no, it wasn't. And he said, yeah, well, and I grabbed him by the shirt and I said, what the fuck did you give me more of the fucker? And he looked at his buddy like, well, I had him had him, you know, like this and he said, hey, what bag did you give me, bro? And he's like, the blue one. And he's like, oh, now, and he looked at me and I was like, what was it? He's like, it's catamine.

Oh, totally the wrong direction. But I ran into that guy at the Grand Alpray. He came into my dress room and was like, hey, remember me, wrong bag? I was like, yeah, I remember you. Yeah, I don't like you. Yeah, you can put me in a weird spot. What was that like taking

catamine after you almost died? Man, it was heavy, you know. I basically, like, from what I recall,

“like, I became part of the boat. I mean, that's how I remember it. Like, my feet were like in the”

deck, you know. And like, I was moving the whole boat with every step that I took. That's what I remember. Whoa. Yeah. But there was this one guy that kept trying to get me to come play a festival in lightening Mexico. And I kind of put him off the whole week. And then he ran into me and like, I just remember his eyes getting big like saucers. I don't know what I said to him, but it was some crazy shit. Oh, it wasn't English at all probably. Catamine talk. Catamine's a weird one, man.

Because there's a lot of people that are doing that right now for therapy. Yeah. Like Neil Brennan,

a comedian, co-creator of the Shepel show. He was the first person and told me about it. Because

Neil's had depression problems most of his life. And we were in LA. And he said, we're in the hallway of the comedy story because I've been doing catamine therapy for depression. And I go, how's that working out? Is it good? He goes, yeah, yeah. But I didn't know what to expect. He goes, I thought, oh, you know, it's in a doctor's office. It's probably going to be just, I'm probably just going to close my eyes and I'll feel, he goes, no, he goes, it's fucking a full

blown trip. He goes tripping balls in a doctor's office. His fucking strange. I bet. He said it worked though for a little while. Like he's done a bunch of different things.

“He did a ton of ayahuasca. He's done a bunch of catamine. He did like magnets on his brain. I think”

he did like a bunch of different things that try to like rewire the way his brain works. Yeah. Like whatever it is. That's a journey I'm on. You know, I'm on anti-depressants and I want to get off him. Which ones you're on? I'm on Simbalta. What does that one do? Well, is it an SSRI? Yeah. So it basically just kind of a, it's for a chemical imbalance, you know.

microdosen, you know, mushrooms. Yeah. Like that's, that's the most progress that I'd seen in my life.

“And I'm going to figure out some kind of strategy because, you know, being on anti-depressants”

and them telling you like, well, don't just stop taking them all at once or, you know, you could have seizures and shit. I'm like, I don't like that. I don't want to be like, like, you know, enslaved by a drug by a pharmaceutical drug, you know? Yeah. And it's like also like, now you just take this the rest of your life. It's like, what's the end result here? Yeah, Theo Vaughn's going through the exact same thing. And last time he was on the podcast, he was explaining to me, it freaks me out

because I know Theo has had conversations before, like, even publicly, he had a Netflix taping

and it didn't go well. Like, they actually, they shelved it. They never used it. You know,

there was all these stories from people that were there saying he bombed. I think he just had a kind of a breakdown. And when he was talking to the crowd and there's a video of it, we said, you know, the people were shaking. Hey, we still love you. You'll say, thank you. Look, I'm just,

“I'm trying not to take my own life. That's what I'm trying to do right now. And like,”

you hear stuff like that. You just go, like, oh, Jesus Christ. I've known too many people that I didn't think we're going to kill themselves. And then did. And then he goes down the spirals where he starts talking about world events and freaking out. I'm like, oh, Jesus Christ. Like, I got to help this dude. And so I send him things about people getting off of them. And apparently there are some doctors that specialize in getting people off of them. But here's the

thing about that chemical imbalance thing. That's not real. They used to think that that was what these things do, that they treated a chemical imbalance. But then recently studies have shown that that that is not what they do. They don't exactly know what they do. And they kind of numb you in some sort of a way that helps some people. And I've had some friends. And I don't, you know, I don't want to make any blanket statements. Because I've had some friends that were suicidal,

Ari's one of them. And he got on SSRIs. And it helped him. He got on, you try to bunch of different ones. Found one that worked. Got on track. And then his career started taking off. And then as his career started taking off, he started feeling much better. He was on a good positive path in his life. And then he slowly weened himself off of those. And now he's off of them. So I think that might have saved his life. I also know other people that have been on those things and taken their own lives.

So I don't know. Because that's part of one of the side effects is suicide or ideation. It's one of the side effects. But see if you could find anything about the chemical imbalance not being true. The chemical imbalance reason for taking SSRIs. It's measured like levels of dopamine.

“Serotonin and people that take it's not, that's how what it's doing. And they don't even”

exactly know why it works. And it's a huge business. That's part of the problem. And it's also part of the problem. These doctors are incentivized to prescribe people these things. I had a friend that went to a psychiatrist and was talking about their life and things not doing well. And immediately, the doctor tried to prescribe him SSRIs. Right away. Like right away, here's something that you're

never going to get off. Let me give it to you right away. First meeting. And he was like, well,

I don't mean, should I like try exercise? Should I try diet? Should I try just drinking water? And you know, like, I read something about like magnesium and red light therapy being far more effective than the SSRIs. There is no good evidence for the simple chemical imbalance like low serotonin that directly causes depression or automatically means someone should take an SSRI. But SSRIs do change brain chemistry in ways that can help some people. But so for decades,

depression was popularly explained as a serotonin imbalance in the brain. Large reviews of the research have not found convincing evidence that people with depression have consistently low serotonin or a specific measurable imbalance that explains their symptoms. Experts now describe the chemical and balance story as an oversimplified or outdated way of explaining a much more complex condition. And here's the other thing about depression. It has to be connected to the state of your life.

Like, if you have a terrible job, you're in a bad relationship, you have abusive parents,

Oh, I'm depressed. Oh, you need a pill. No, do you? Is that what you need?

Well, it's quite possible that you're eating processed foods and you have all these other things that we talked about, shitty life, shitty house, shitty job, shitty neighborhood, shitty parents. Maybe you just need to make your life positive, like figure out a way to get your life in a positive direction. They've shown that exercise is way more effective than anti-depressants. It actually helping people with depression. Just exercise. Just fucking go on a nice long walk

every day. Do some cardio. You know, take a fucking yoga class. That's way better for people than these goddamn pills. But these doctors are financially incentivized to prescribe these things.

“And they prescribe them and hand them out like candy. And again, I think for some people it helps them.”

And that's the issue, right? I mean, if it wasn't a financial incentive, I think it would be like, take these for six months, you'll be better. Yeah. It wouldn't be like forever. This is you now. These are six months. It's like, okay, how long does it take to get off them? Because I know guy who is on him and it took him a year and a half after he got off of him before he felt normal again. For a year and a half, he was fucked up because he was on him for

I think he said he was on him for 10 years. And then for a year and a half, he got off of them.

And it just took that long before he finally like balanced the ship out. Like whatever

waves he had to go through for a year and a half. But he was like, whatever I'm doing, I am not going back on those goddamn pills. So he wrote it out. And he's not on the other end.

“It's fucked up too because it's hard to compare your experience to other people,”

because everybody's brain chemistry is different. Yeah. So you could have two people on the same medication like you were saying earlier like, it's hard to even quantify like I even taught my own sister or like other family members about, you know, their depression and their, you know, mental health journeys. And it's just, it's interesting to think like, you could say like, it's hard to disprove it, you know what I mean? Because somebody could be

doing well on it. But it's also like it takes two weeks for it to really get into your system. And I had to try like three or four different ones before one really, I felt, felt like me, you know. Like even at my grandmother's funeral, like I just felt nothing. I just felt numb. And like I didn't notice it until I got into the situation where I was like, this woman raised me and I can't feel anything. Wow. And it wasn't until like,

I have a moment like that that I was able to kind of have that perspective of like, I should be feeling something right now. So I put those down and then it's like two weeks later, it was having dinner with somebody and like this song came on that just brought all of it up. There was this melody, this way in shorter melody that just uncorrect everything. And I was just sobbing at the tenor table. Wow.

What did you feel like before you took them? And what was wrong with the ones that you didn't stick with? Well, I don't know if it was a matter of like, maybe the dosage was too high and it was just kind of creating a block. It's like, you've got to feel some emotions, right? So how did you feel before you were taking them? Like what was what was bothering you that you realized you needed to take something? Well, I think a lot of it had to do with just like

substance abuse, but I was feeling really anxious and really suicidal and just really, really depressed, you know, and just this overwhelming sense of dread every day. And just also just a lot of helplessness, like just trying to go into different doctors and just like trying to figure out

like what the fuck is it? That's kind of finally, you know, take this away, but also realizing

like I rely on that a little bit, you know, for what I do for a little, you know, so there's kind of that, you know, rely on the feelings like the passion, yeah, all that, you know, for writing and

“for creating, God, that's how fucking can answer, right? Yeah, being fearful that it's going to”

take your drive away because you don't have anything to create for no substance, right? So it's a, it is a strange battle. It's one that I still kind of deal with, but I'm just going to have much better spot on the journey. So which ones did you try and what was wrong with the ones

I can't remember the name of the specific medication. I'm sure I have a, I don't know, bottle of it somewhere in my house, but yeah, I don't know. I just, what did it do? I just made you to know. Yes, maybe feel numb. And then when you found one that worked, what did that do differently? So the one that I'm on now, I mean, like if I go a day without it, like I, like the draw symptoms are like fairly severe, just like headaches and just like complete like body,

tingling sensations and just like, it's really scary stuff. It's just, you know, so I'm, I'm going to have to lean off it slowly over time, like all I did. I wonder if I begin would help with that.

Well, I mean, you know, it's like I was saying like microdose and mushrooms, it was like the first

thing that I actually felt some kind of lasting result. I now like when I get an anxiety attack or something, I can recognize it as something that just coming from an outside force, you know, an energy that's not aligning with me. And I can recognize it. I can work through it, where like before,

“I would just get a little overwhelmed, you know. But I think also just like, not drinking and like having”

to socialize with people and having to have a little exposure therapy to like social interactions and life in general without just masking myself with drugs and alcohol has helped a lot too,

and I growth. So when you first started taking it, you, there's all the stuff that you're doing

in terms of like abusing alcohol and substances and that which definitely causes you to feel like shit and definitely causes a lot of people to have like all sorts of angst and anxiety and just fucks you, this stuff alleviated that. What am I now? Yeah. I mean, you know, it has kind of, I know I'm afraid of like, you know, if I get off of it or those emotions going to come flooding back in, you know. So did it stop those emotions? This is all by the way, why you were drinking,

right? You're not drinking. And how long have you been since you've drank? Like a year and a half, okay. But I mean, those, those emotions do come back every now and again, even while you're on the

“stuff. Yeah. But it significantly curb them. But it's like, you know, that's what price.”

I mean, I'll talk to my boy Ernest about it because, you know, he's kind of a kind of a kindergarten like, you know, I just talking about like, I'll be working out and like getting after feeling good and listening to the stones or whatever and like, I noticed like, in my jam at my house, like, I guess that he's to have a punching bag hanging up there and just like, you see something like that and you just take a mental note of like, like probably hold my weight,

you know, it's just like these, oh, you mean to hang yourself? Yeah, like these thoughts just kind of come, you know, as, I don't know where they come from. They just, they just pop in. And that's quick as I come, they go. And this is before you take in the medication. No, I mean, this is not a month ago, you know? Okay, did you, did you have those thoughts before the medication? Oh, yeah. Okay, so they're still there. Yeah. So whatever it's doing, it's doing a little bit,

“I mean, it's got to be helping to a degree. Do you think it is? I think so, but I think it's,”

it's really just about like, your will and like, your mental, just your ability, just like we were talking about like, with diets and stuff. You know, like, does those epic help curb, you know, appetites, but you could also just exercise and just have willpower. And I think mental health can be of a similar thing. One of the things that people are finding about those, I think is it actually curbs your desire to be in love, too? Yeah. That's a nasty thought. Yeah,

you, you don't enjoy anything. Yeah. Yeah. What I'm hearing about these SSRIs is like, like, Gina tell you like, paralyzed. I saw that. I saw that on Twitter. Some lady was talking about her. She got off of it and her clitoris is numb. She kind of orgasms anymore. That's fucked up.

Yeah. If they're having, she's like, you know, the problem is, I don't know if it comes back.

Yeah. So you can't wait for it to happen and like, which medications cause it to happen. Yeah. If you do get off of it, if you talk to your doctor, like, what is the protocol?

every time I talk to my doctor, it's like, every few months we check in and he's like,

oh, yeah, how are you feeling? You know, how you doing? And why? Well, I'm okay. You know, just kind of feels like the same kind of want to get off of him. And he's like, well, you know,

“if you want to do that, like, you're going to have to go slowly over time. But, uh, you know,”

our thing is good. And I'm like, well, yeah, things are fine. He's like, well, you don't really want to change things if they're good, right? You know? Uh, that kind of thing. And you worry. What? Yeah, where is that what's going to happen if I, you know? What's I going to be like getting off of them? Yeah. Because the thing about it is like I was talking

about this guy that was on for 10 years, like that year and a half was fucking rough,

where he was experiencing all sorts of problems because his body was just kind of in shock. They had been on SSRI for a decade. And then all of a sudden he's off of him and he's like, like, the way Theo described it is like, the floor was missing. Like the floor fell out from under him. Getting off him. He got off him for a while and then got back on him. He got off him about a year ago for a little while and then got back on him. But he wants to get off him.

He just doesn't know what to do. And I mean, how it's like, it's like, uh, it's literally a plot device, you know, like the show, the Ozarks, you know, like the crazy brother. He's pouring

his medication down the grind. Yep. And he goes fucking nuts, you know. It's like somebody being

off their medication is kind of a pejorative term, right? Yeah. But I'm like, I kind of want to get off mine. Well, it depends on what medication, right? So people are just gets a frenic.

“Yeah, if it's anti-cycosis, I guess. If you've got psychosis, have do you exercise?”

Yeah. What do you do? Usually do 20 minutes on the peloton and then a different muscle group every day. Oh, that's good. That anything cardio-wise is great for depression, supposedly. And even weights, weights are supposedly really good for anxiety for some reason. I'm noticed. Yeah. There's a real definitive difference when I'm working out versus when I'm what I'm not. Yeah. Man. So like, do you have a strategy for when you're thinking about doing this

or how you're going to try to do this? Well, I was thinking I'd probably do it when I had some time off, but I'm working the rest of the year, but honestly, man, being on the road is kind of my constant. So I think it's something that I could probably accomplish while I'm on the road, but I don't have like a breakdown. Yeah, probably not. You're in Nashville about to do a show. Yeah, I got to cancel a show. Right. Yeah. So it's hard to determine. Yeah. It scares me, man,

because, and again, it scares me because doctors incentivize to keep you on them and promote them and get you to do them. Also, when they've been prescribing them for people, they don't want to ever think that they're doing something bad. There's a justification process and there's some where 100%. Just a vacation process, financial incentives. There's a lot going on there. And then there's also this position that they're in of expertise with they're explaining to you

what you shouldn't shouldn't do and how it works. And when you're like, "This is a fucking on my whole life and I can't get off." I'm like, "Oh, that's just why I'm lying slow down." I'm like, "Yeah, there's nothing doing well. Just keep on this same path, Marcus. It was fine, Marcus. Bye. Click, got a new patient calling." Oh, hi, Jenner, do you? Yeah, it's very weird, man. It's very weird that our society is so hyper-medicated. Yeah. And injectables are the way of

the future. Like, even like my boy Chevy that works for me, he used to work in pharmaceutical

“sales and he's like, "Everything is injectables now." Because that's what's hot. Because it's like”

the, it's like everything. So like every medication is like paddling injectables. Because like the wave of like peptides and I was then picking all that kind of stuff. Now it's like, it's trendy. Which is everything. It's interesting to me. That is weird. Because I grew up with my dad having type 2 diabetes and am a grandfather too. And you know, just seeing them inject like insulin and stuff, I was like, "Yuck." Well type 2 diabetes, the thing about that one is,

you can cure that. Yep. You just get a stop eating like a pig. But just crazy. I know a bunch of people that have stopped themselves from having type 2 diabetes. Yeah. And that's a goal that I'm on

Yeah, I gave up sugar. Well, again, the key to Jenner diet is supposed to be good for depression too.

“So, do you take supplements? You're taking magnesium and multi vitamins and all that”

channels? Oh, yeah. That's good. That seems like you're doing a lot of the right things, right? Yeah, man. I'm, you know, I just don't want to be a prisoner to pills. Yeah. And I love my wife and I'm just excited to have some babies and just I want to get myself like her careers taken off and my career is going really well and like, does she take SSRIs? No, that's good. She's very anti, like any pharmaceuticals which I could admire better. I was just reading something about SSRIs

and the development of children, children's brains when women are pregnant and they're on SSRIs and apparently there's a bunch of issues. Yeah. I can see that. I mean, look, man, there's millions of people on those things. There's a giant business. And they want to hide all the side effects and hide all the negative aspects of it and hide the impact that it does just to the overall psyche of the nation. When you've got, okay, let's just take a guess. How many people

do you think in this country on SSRIs? With liberal women, it's like 80%. But it is. The other 20% need them. Well, like, what's the percentage of people on SSRIs in America? Let's guess. Man, I'm 30. We say like, I have a girl in higher. I'd say like 60 to 75.

“Really? Yeah. 60 to 75% of the country? Yeah. Wow. I don't think it's that. I think it's”

under 30. It's too many. It's too many. Yeah. It's definitely too many. But there's also a bunch of people that look at for a quick fix when there's a bunch of factors to why you don't feel happy. Like we were talking about before. There's lifestyle, life choices, situation that is beyond your control, like where you're born, where you live, the job that you have, where you, you know, if you're in a place of limited opportunity and you've got a bunch of shitty people around you

and life sucks every day. It's hard to be happy. It's hard to not feel depressed. So then there's the question of like, how does one develop the tools to get out of that situation and get some more else? And for a lot of people, it's something that helps them break out, whether it's starting a business or being a musician or an artist or something that gets you out of there. And then you start getting around more positive people and then you make more positive lifestyle choices.

“But you just can't expect to be happy if your life is shit. 13%. Okay. That was way. American SSRI”

prescribing, but I bet in your business, that's why you think of it. Because in an artist, I bet it's a lot higher. 13% of U.S. adults report taking an antidepressant and then to give an 30A period, SSRI is the most frequently used class within that group. Yeah. Okay. So 13%. So that's 2015 to 2018. I asked for an update for 2020. It said it's about the same. For 2020, six.

I mean, yes, I asked. Is there any updates in 2020 and it basically said the same?

So about 13%. Still a lot. One out of ten people on crazy pills. There's a lot. Yeah. In the arts community though. Yeah. Within the artist community, the last data that I remember reading was like 70% of like artists struggle with some faction of mental health. But that makes sense. Yeah. And then there's also the newest element that targets your mental health and goes after it, which is social media. Yeah. That's a rough one, boy. That's a rough one.

And so many people treat that as if it's no big deal. Like you just shoot and heroin into your eyeballs every day with that stuff. Yeah, man. Not good. So many people are in there. Yeah. All day, every day, and then reading a bunch of negative shit about them and getting angry and upset. And then carrying that weight around with them all day. It's easy to say like don't recoments, but it's easier to say than done. Yeah. Yeah, especially if you have it on your phone.

That's the thing. Like you got to not have it on your phone. If you have it on your phone,

you're going to go to it. But then the problem is if you use it for touring and for posting

information to keep your fans engaged. Yeah. Well, the algorithm also serves you like you got to engage, but like anytime you talk to a social media group, they're like, what do you engage with levels like, like, so they want you on the app using it, commenting, responding to people. Because if you don't, and you choose not to do that, then they're like, well, can we go on there for you and like respond to comments or whatever, and I'm like, no, I don't want you punching out any

to have, I want it to be me, like authentically. But, you know, it's a necessary evil.

Yeah, but it ruins so many people's brains. It rots you. Yeah, it really does. And it's also your absorbing so much negativity, just from what's going on in the world. Like on any given day, if I open up Twitter, and I just start reading what people are upset about. It's just like, oh my God, the whole world is falling apart. Everyone's matted everything and everyone and every one, and every little whatever fucking social issue, political issue, world issue, economic issue,

everyone's blaming everyone and everyone's pissed and there's so many crypters and psychopaths that are just on their all day using it, stirring up bullshit and fuck man. I know, it's um, yeah, you think I can use bathroom and fuck yeah, we can use the bathroom and fuck yeah, we can use the bathroom and fuck yeah, we can use the bathroom and fuck yeah, we can use the bathroom. We're going to pee folks, we'll be right back. And we're back ladies and gentlemen, where were we,

depression, everything sucks, stay off social media, let's talk about music, let's talk about music.

“Let's talk about music. Damn, that's how how does it takes a long time to see that James Brown”

interview from which one he's when he's got those big glasses. Oh yeah, I talk about some music.

That'd be the fucking interviews amazing. It's the best. Well, he had just got arrested,

and the amount on love. Yeah, he aren't you out on bail. I'm out on love. Yeah. And he starts talking to the women in the thing. He's like, why is that ladies? Yeah, no, it's hilarious. He's clearly high as fuck. Yeah, James Brown with an original. When you first started doing music, how old were you? Man, I was probably like two or three years old. When I was feeling with him. Yeah, that's crazy. My grandfather played my uncles,

my dad still plays, you know. Wow. So were they professional or they just did it for fun? My grandfather, so he was a career service man. He was in the air force, and he was a staff master sergeant. And he played hockey talks on the weekend. He was in charge of booking all the NCO clubs on the base. So he would book like Charlie Pride or Johnny Cash, Barbara Mandrell, and his band would open up and then back them up. Oh, wow. So he was a

“country in western purist. Did you get a goal at ten of those shows when you were young?”

No, well, so this was, this was back in the sixties. My dad's 73. I think now, he was born in 53. And I was born when my dad was like 43. Oh, wow. So by the time I came along, everybody was, you know, a lot of my family traded in like, I think they associated music with a lot of the secular lifestyle. So they kind of, when they all got born again and into the church, that's around the time I came around, you know. So the music was really associated with

church, but I was really interested in that other stuff. And that interesting, like wonder why there's a division. You know, I think about it a lot. I think that's the closest you can get to infinity, you know, is music really allowing yourself to get that close to something. And the conviction that you feel in a church, you know, that's a good common thing for everybody to, you know, on the same level. And Jeff, that's part of the church experience that everybody

having it together, experiencing it together as a group, being together live in a room with a great musician on stage, when everyone's enjoying it together, it's very much a transcendent

“experience. Yeah. It really is. I think in the cool. Yeah. It's like there's a beautiful moment.”

You're all experiencing it together and you all clapping and cheering. Well, you're all dancing and singing along. It's a beautiful moment. It really is. Music is like a drug, man. It really is. It's like a beautiful drug. Like the right song when you're on the treadmill, you're like, fuck, yeah, you could just keep going. You know, tear door off the hinges. Yeah. If I hear like little feet skin it back. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's there's certain songs that just give you

fucking energy, man. We're like bitch by the Rolling Stones. Oh, yeah. That's on. If I need to pick me up in the morning, that song comes on. A great weightlifting one. It's prison sex by tool. Oh, yeah.

Oh, you know, that song? Tools abandoned. I never really delved into. But I like some.

listen to Master Don? No. Man, I got to send you some choice cuts, but Brent was he was the

fucking man. He just died back in September. I took him on the road right before that, which was really, which was messy. Oh, really. Brent, he had mastered on kind of how the mutual agreement that he would leave the band. So he was doing his solo thing and like he's one of my heroes, you know, and I was like, I'll take you out. Sure. And like he just threw it together somehow and then I ended up having to kick him off the tour, which is like broke one heart, but he kind of forced my

hand. The night in question, like I walked outside and he had this little tour manager named Angela

and she was crying. And my, my tour manager was holding her and she was crying. I was like,

fucking a what happened now. She said, I walk into the dressing room and Brent, P on the floor.

“And I said, no, no, you have to stop. So then he pee in his mouth. Oh, Jesus. Right. And like I”

just have to picture my boy just like pissing and she's like, you have to stop and then he's like, oh, I just like, and like, at his funeral, I told Matt Pike from a sleep. I told him that story and he was like, yeah, like, and normal. He's like, it's a party trick. That's a Wednesday move. And I was like, yeah, no, it's hilarious, but it really offended her and she got very upset.

And the whole thing just fell apart. And, you know, that was the last draw. That was this and it

is all about that was what didn't really, but, you know, get him some paper towel and it's fixed this. I was ready to fix it, but like his whole band and crew, they were like, it's not working. So what was he doing? He was just just partying a little too much, you know. And I mean, I really, I love that dude like brother. Yeah, I miss him. Miss him a lot. Sometimes it takes a really wild crazy off the rails person to make music or make any

kind of art that just moves you, drives you crazy. Yeah, I mean, he was a true artist, you know, like he was insane. Yeah. You got to have friends that your wife doesn't particularly love you hanging out with. Right? Yeah. Something about that friend. Yeah, that's a lot of my friends. Yeah. Yeah, but those are the ones that make the magic. Yeah, there's something to it. And again, that it is a magic thing. You know, this is coming from someone with no music.

I have no talent. And so for me, like watching it and experiencing it is a pure experience because I'm not like, oh, I don't like how we played that chord. I don't like how I don't know anything about music. I just don't love it. I mean Rick Rubin, you know, he's held on to that. He wants to be,

“you know, and I think he has been like the, you know, the voice of like the consumer.”

He hears what the consumer wants to hear and what he knows what he likes. Yeah. And he's got a very interesting mind. You know, he's a very interesting person to talk to. His perspective on things is very unique. I like him a lot. Yeah. Really like him a lot. I like talking to him a lot. And he sends you the wildest text messages. He doesn't text messages. I mean, he's so fucking conspiracies that are often, sometimes I have to say, hey, that's not real. But every now and then,

I'll say these are some ones that make you question reality. I like the thought of you talking Rick off of a ledge. Not necessarily you're talking off of a ledge, just letting them know that some of, you know, it's hard to know what's real and what's not real out there in the world. If you're not like deep into the bowels of conspiracy theory movement, you know, right? But again, I got like Rick, like his sensibility. Like he has a, it's like a very valuable position.

Person just whether you nick mind that is just helping shape how music gets produced and created. And because like whatever, whatever it takes, whatever, I mean, it's not a science like a

“math thing or it's not carpentry. Like you have to level this and square that. Like, no,”

man, there's like oh, some weirdness and there's love in there and hate in there. There's, there's, there's a lot of stuff that is intangible. It's hard to describe like why this is

there's some riffs, you know, there's some riffs that just like, oh my god, like the beginning of

Buju Child's Slight Return. Come on. Yeah, come on. Yeah, just to be getting you here, you go, oh, yeah. Yeah, dude. Yeah. I mean, Dan Outback's another one who's just, oh yeah, I love those guys. Perfected the riff. Yeah. Josh, Tommy. Yeah. It's down on edge. Oh yeah. Um, you know, Rick's a funny woman. I love his philosophy on music too. He just, he looks at it the same way that Colonel Bruce Hampton looked at it. Colonel Bruce Hampton and Rick both believed that music is

like pro wrestling. You know, is Colonel Bruce Hampton the Colonel from Elvis? That's a different different Colonel. He's Colonel Bruce Hampton. Colonel Bruce Hampton, he was kind of like,

“so Billy Bob Thornton put him in a movie in Sling Blade. He was, I can't remember his name in the film.”

But yeah, Colonel Bruce Hampton, there he is. He died on stage at the Fox Theater. Wow. Engine Troy. No, in Atlanta. Oh, okay. His story is he was born with two birth certificates. He was just a wild man. He was just, he was all about, like instead of instruction, he called it Outstruction. And like Billy Bob worked on a documentary about him in like 2003. And he was just, like his whole philosophy on music and just like why we do it and just pointing out

the hilarity of like the business and like the coffee getters as he referred to them. You know, we have a whole industry built around coffee getters now. You know, all the people that got the suits, there are lattes and stuff in the morning. Now they're calling the shots. And that's a weird place to be. But the Colonel Bruce Hampton, you know, I just, what I do now is I just buy copies of his

documentary basically frightened and I just give it to people who aren't hip to the knowledge.

So I'll send a copy down here. Yeah, it's called frightened. It's called basically frightened. Basically frightened. Colonel Bruce Hampton story. Is it available anywhere? Like is it on Apple or Hampton or it's not streaming anywhere? No. So I just, I just collect the DVDs when I can find them. Oh, wow. Is it a, can you buy a DVD anywhere? Like if people are listening to this and they want to

“get ahold of it? Yeah, like eBay. That's the only way. That's, that's the only place that I've found them.”

Really? Yeah. And you'll be bidding against me. He's buying copies of it. Yeah. Every time I get going away, I buy another copy. Wow. Yep. Here's a final thread on Reddit. People looking for it and someone's like, just mail me the DVD and I'll copy it for you. Like, you can't find it anywhere. Yeah, wow. It would be cool if it were to be streamed somewhere. It's fascinating story. $20 on Amazon, but I don't know that. Whoa. It's gonna be even real. Right. They might just send you a

fucking brick. But he, he was somebody like, you know, widespread panic. That was like their guru, you know. Well, Colonel Bruce Hampton, Jimmy Haring, you know, O'etil Burbridge, who I'm in a band with now, um, you know, he started with Bruce. Really.

I've never heard of him before. And you know, it's just, he's one of those guys that, you know,

he was like, to the southeast, he was like, our Frank Zappa, you know. Oh, my God, son, raw. Oh, wow. He's just all about just the outrageousness. And, you know, I have a lot of friends who spent a lot more time with him than I did. But like, he was one of the first people that took notice to what I was doing when I was like 15, you know, and then I remember, like, being in Germany and finding out that he'd passed away on stage.

“Which he predicted. Yeah. Yeah. He said that's how he was going to go. Well, if you keep”

performing long enough, you know, Carlin died in the hotel room on the road. Really? Yeah. I'm going to have to download this for you real quick. There you go. It's unlisted on YouTube. Oh, oh, oh, be there tomorrow, though. After this episode is released. Yeah. Can you download it? I can try it. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I'll just download it too. I'll figure it out though. Okay. Jamie to the rescue. Sorry, folks. If you get this, you might be able to find stuff. Yeah,

maybe somebody can upload it on one of my other social media platforms. That's cool. If I'm interested in checking it out, I'd love music for inspiration. You know, it's one of the unique art forms that inspires you to create. Inspires you to go do things. You know, whenever I see a live band or a live performer, I can't wait to go do something. I want to go write. I want to go

He used to write for Richard Prior. He was one of the real OGs back in the early days when I came

to the comedy store. I was kind of blown. He was one of the guys I was always nervous around being around

till he liked me. So like, you know, I mean, like, Paul Mooney hates you. You're fucked. But he gave

“me that advice once early on. He said, if you want to entertain people, he said, go be entertained.”

He goes, you want to entertain honey? Go be entertained, homie. Go see some other shit. Because go see something that gets you, try to go see a great movie. Go see a band. Go see something. Be entertained. That's what that's what my process is like in the studio, man. Like, this last record we did, like, we had a projector and we play like, you know, giant with James Daner. We play like, uh, easy writer, big labowski or like films that like

inspired us, films that we like really gravitated towards. And I've all the while, you know,

waking up in the morning and reading east of Eden and just like some of these great architects of Americana and just like being inspired on every turn, watching live, concert footage of bands that we love, March of Tucker Man, Skinner, whatever the case. Just inundating yourself with inspiring stuff, you know, to something to get the juices flowing, to summon the muse, something to sometimes we would play just the footage of like midnight cowboy or something and we would record,

you know, in the mindset like we were trying to score this film, you know, oh wow, just to kind of get

“a different approach. I forgot about midnight cowboy. What a wild movie. Is that good one?”

Yeah, that was back when time square was dirty. Yeah. Now time square is one big apple bees. That's when people would go and watch pornography together. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Not only that, but it was a thing in the early days of pornography where couples would go out and like Johnny Carson went to see Deep Throat. Yeah. There's like famous people went to see the film Deep Throat in the theater. Yep. What was the delta entertainment? How, but how weird is that that pornography,

there was always stag films, right? Like that was the thing that they used to make like in the

early days of movies. They would film people having sex and you could watch it like got a stag party, which was like a bachelor party. But then people tried to make films like artistic films that had people having sex in them, which is a really interesting that we, we find that a born, like people don't like that in today's society. We don't mind like this, this show from that I was telling you about bro, the violence is horrific, the gore and the

violence is crazy. That's okay. Just don't suck someone's dick. Don't make them come. That's terrible.

“Do you remember the movie Bad Bunny? No, not Bad Bunny. Was that Brown Bunny? Brown Bunny?”

I remember the movie Brown Bunny? Brown Bunny was a Vincent Gallo movie that he made, and there was a real sex scene in there. Like how do you say that ladies name Chloe? I don't know, I don't know how you say her name. She's really good actress. And she blows him, like for real in the movie. Like it's a real scene. And the movie is a real movie. But then when it came to the sex part, they actually did it. And people were horrified. I mean, that's so weird. Like if it was violence, like if it was a scene

where she beat him to death with a baseball bat, people would be like, wow, what a crazy movie. Right. But it was seen where she blows him. People like this is outrageous. And I think that movie ruined Vincent Gallo's career. Really. Yeah, because Vincent Gallo had been in a bunch of movies. It's a really weird guy, like a very interesting guy. And after that, he kind of dipped away from Hollywood, like you kind of vanished in a lot of ways. And that was the big thing. I remember reading

these articles on how outraged people were that they had actually seen real sex in a movie. Like it's so strange that we don't mind violence. Like once upon a time in Hollywood, Brad Pitt takes a lady's head and bashes it into a mantelpiece and fucking brainser. Fine. Fine. No, no outrage. No, everyone. Everyone's okay. Everyone's okay. But if he fucked her, like actually pulled her pants down, he's he Brad Pitt's penis and

her vagina. You're like, this is crazy. Something that we all do. Yeah. But the simulation of it is fine, too. Right. Simulation of it is fine. Yeah. Like it was a sex scene. And you just see his hips

him and his wife, like if he didn't made a movie with him and his wife, and they decided to have

actual sex in the movie. People will be like, that's disgusting. Get this fucking smart off the screen. But if they had a movie with him and his wife and she shoots him, they're like, okay, that's fine. Didn't really happen. Right. We heard, right? It is weird. I mean, I did a commercial for like I did a shoot for this color and like they couldn't have me in the car while it was moving for insurance purposes. So they had to like make it seem like I was in the car while it was moving.

Insurance purposes. That's crazy. But that's more of a financial thing. Yeah. But the the weirdness about sex, the point is, like see if you can find that footage of all the people that were in line, there's like an old, there's a YouTube video of an old news report of people in line to see deep throat. Right. And again, Johnny Carson was one of them. I think they even interviewed him after the film. Like they they went and watched people

fuck and like it was a movie. Like, you know, you're watching the Joker or something. Right. Very odd. It is odd. And they got that name deep throat from the watergate. Did they? Yeah. I thought deep throat was after words. I thought I thought the watergate or anything was after. I don't know. I could be wrong. Chicken or the egg. Okay. So watergate was what 70, 74?

Was it? It came out 72. Oh, yeah. So the movie came out first. Okay. And so that was after

those. So that's interesting too. And you think about like 72 was not that long ago. And people's ideas of pornography were very different back then. A lot of my favorite venues in the country were porno theaters first comedy mothership bro. All right. Yeah. Was a porno theater at that point in time. And why people cared about like the quality of like the audio production and those films and like you know, and these movies sound really good variety playhouse in Atlanta. It's one of the best

“scenes in American World of London. Okay. Do you remember that movie? American World of London?”

It's a great fucking movie. One of the best scenes they're in the middle of London and they're in an adult movie theater and these people are watching pornography. They're watching a smart film. And while these people are fucking he turns into a werewolf and kills everybody. I got to check that out. Oh, that's great. One of the greatest movies of all time. That wolf that we have in the lobby. That's a recreation. Oh, really? Of the American World. Okay. That's what that is. The thing with

Johnny Carson and Deep throat, I think, is like a conglomeration memory. Is it? There's a weird. There is a photo of people waiting in line to see the movie. But it's like this is it on the screen. But there was a video of Johnny Carson talking about it after the fact during his monologue that he went to see it. Oh, so there wasn't a photo or a video of him at the movie theater? Thanks so, man. I'm looking forward to that. I can sort of remember what you're talking about.

“I think remember we might have read an article that listed all of this stuff.”

Was that play where they had like, everybody was like naked and it was like really a big deal. Was it like hair spray or something like that? In the late 70s, my dad told me him and his friends went to go see this like Broadway production or off Broadway production. We're like everybody was like nude and it was like this really, you know, it was like this really racey thing. Yeah. And there was a preacher up front just like really just give him a hell, man. And then

he got up closer and he realized it was his uncle. My great uncle was up there. Just mother fucker. That's hilarious. Wiley cited overview. Many works are quoted. Note that several mainstream celebrities appear to have seen deep throat including Martin Scorsese, Brian De Palma, Truman Capote, Jack Nicholson, Johnny Carson, Spiro Agnew, Frank Sinatra and others. Barbara Walters later mentioned seeing it in her memoir. These references are

usually brief but they're pulled into many articles about the film's cultural impact.

“But that's what's so interesting. It's like that is not normal. And today's society,”

even think that a bunch of people would say they went to go see a porn film. I think this is also so midnight cowboy, which is where you guys started this 1969, which is before this and one best

picture as the first one. The first one was rated X4 and C-17 movies. So they started a little bit

The reason? Yeah. What was so explicit that they had to make it in the X?

“How would say a little bit has to do with marketing?”

But I don't know if this is a retail successor reason. Marketing. Yeah, you make people want to go see it. Right. I guess. Oh, this is crazy. This movie is crazy. Standing out here. All right. Right here. After consulting with this psychologist, they told to give it a next homestead film frame reference. And it's possible in influence on youngsters. Wow. That's crazy. Today that would be celebrated. Oh, there's a rap scene. I haven't seen this movie.

I saw it in like the 80s. I haven't seen it in forever. Yeah, but even, I mean, like in that film, it's like a, it's like a distant thought that John voice character keeps going back to,

like the rap scene, whereas like, it's always on time. It's hard a couple months ago, bro.

Oh, really? But like fucking deliverance is plays on AMC on TV. Right. Which is another rap scene. Nothing's edited out. So we lack a pig. That won't fuck me out when I was a kid. I'm like, oh, yeah, very much so. Not like supposedly took place like in the appellation, like, backdrop, which is like where I grew up. I was like, that's fucking happening like here. Because of then shocking sexual content, even more importantly, it's Frank portrayal of homosexuality

and hustling, hustling, meaning having gay sex for money, which the studio and censor saw as potentially corrupting to young viewers. The film includes scenes and references to male prostitution, homosexual encounters, and brief but explicit situations, including implied oral sex and nudity, which went far beyond what Hollywood had shown in a mainstream drama up to that point.

Maybe now it would get just an R, but it would be with the never existing. Now it would be celebrated.

It's a film celebrating sex workers. It's weird. But it's also weird that there was a movie that was an actual porn movie that a bunch of people just went to see and talked about. Like,

“today, people want to pretend they don't even watch porn. Yeah. Meanwhile, I think last”

check we did, oh no, we've done this before Jamie. Like, what percentage of the internet is pornography? Internet traffic. Take a guess of that. About it's way more than SSRIs. Right? Do you think? Yeah, I haven't. I haven't guessed right so far, so let's say, 50%. Oh, wow, I don't think it's that high. I would say 30. I would say 30% of the internet, but I could be wrong. I don't remember. 30% of the internet traffic is pornography. Let's say that.

Maybe it's 40. What's the same as a myth? It's a myth? I don't know. I haven't read through this yet. That's a bunch of people lying about jerking off. A 30 to 40% of things in the myth. Okay, porn makes up a small share of sites. Yeah, yeah, but traffic. Yeah, it says it.

“I'm 30% from 40% while he stated, but what is the, what about traffic in that search?”

Yeah, but no, but I mean traffic, like the amount of bandwidth and it's getting lost in this work. I used to know. I used traffic. Yeah, he did. Why do we see a higher number? See 30% of the internet is porn. BBC reported tracing one of these popular figures back to single content filter company press release, not an independent, audited measurement, some advocacy. I bet now today because of YouTube and the amount of streaming that goes on with like Instagram and TikTok,

I bet it probably isn't as high as it used to be. The percentage rise, because there's so much more content that's being streamed now than ever before. porn related searches are a 13% of the web and 20% on mobile devices. That's funny. It's more on mobile devices because people can hide in the toilet. The content filter company. Okay, I claim comes from this. Yeah, we read that. We are to read that. Well, I just said, so it could be just made up to be good. Yeah, it could be,

but there's got to be like a number of like the internet traffic. How did you get that number? So some advocacy or internet safety groups cite very high traffic shares and storage figures,

example, nearly a third of all internet traffic, but these are rough. Sometimes opaque estimates

rather than peer reviewed measurements. Hmm. Okay. So it's at least 4%. So it says roughly websites for to 12%. That's a lot. Just for to 12% of the whole internet is jerk off websites.

went and watched Deep Throat today, it'd probably be pretty pedestrian. Yeah, probably would seem just like soft core. Right. Yeah, like one of them show time late night movies. Yeah. I mean, it is something that I, you know, um, I like to save all that, you know, when I get home off the road, I see my wife. Yeah. You know, if there's something that I had originally, the woman had an unusual birth defect that came from a doctor who has an unorthodox solution to make the best of her situation.

Is that a deep throat? Yes. Yes. Well, that she could just take it.

The birth defect. Balls deep downward. That guy Harry Reams. He was like one of the first famous

“male porn stars. I think he went on to be a real estate salesman or something.”

Like if you're one of those people that gets famous fucking, that's, that is got to be a very weird one. Yeah. Is that where the porn mustache comes out? Oh, yeah. God. Oh, yeah. Yeah. He had a crazy stash 1947. Wow. What's he up to these days? Did he? Yeah. When did he pass away? 13. Wow. Didn't live that long. All that fucking wasted all his jizz. I bet he shaved off his mustache, but he was just anonymous. Drifting that a traffic.

Nobody even noticed him. You know, right. Weird life having such a people on camera should be had that to the world. Oh, look at that. When did he get arrested? When did he get arrested, dude? If we had it to the wall or private. In decent something. Yeah, we should have that to the wall. Memphis. You got to be up to some no good to get arrested in Memphis. What did he get arrested for? Too much dick. This is appearance and deep throat. Do his rest by FBI agents and Memphis.

Triads of conspiracy to distribute obscenity across state lines. Whoa. Whoa. He called him for him shopping, but I don't. What does that mean? For a job in the real term for the practice of litigants taking actions to have their legal case heard in the court. They believe is most out to give them a good judgment. They're trying to fight. They're trying to get him convicted, I guess. Trying to make an example

“of them. So they found a court that would take the case. Like for an obscenity? Yeah, that's how”

for pictures today. In court, Miller vs. California, Reampus granted a new trial. Charges were dropped in August. Wow. So they just fence argues the first act that would be prosecuted by the federal government for appearing in a film. It's like the Lini Bruce is sling in dick. And then all these people got behind. Very surely McLean, Warren, Bady, Richard, Dreyfiz. They all got behind him. Jack Nicholson. Ben Gazzara. Wow. Dick Cavitt. Now he was in Greece. That's the coach. Wow. He was in the movie

Greece. The musical? What? In 1978? Out of fear, his notoriety would rip jeopardized the film's bog, he was replaced. Oh, he was cast. He was replaced by Sid Seasor. That's hilarious. Wow. After an eight year, in 1982, after an eight year hiatus from porn, Reamp's return to the industry and performed in the film's Society of Fares and reportedly received a six-figure salary. I don't know. Weird. Weird. It is. The whole pornography thing is very strange because like

people want to watch other people have sex because people like having sex. But it's like, like you can't talk about it. But you know, if you say you like it, people like the fuck is wrong with you. And then they watch it. But if we could destabilitize it and like not give people unrealistic ideas of what happens in the in the bedroom and noted as something that

“is entertainment. I think entertainment. The fear is that the women that are in it for their”

rest of their life, they're always going to be thought of a certain way. And the men's skate,

they don't really have a, like, they're thought of CD, but they don't thought as like, you know, girls that got used. Well, I think what's going to get weird is AI porn because then you can watch porn and there's no victims, right? There's no person you feel bad for. Like, all that poor girl, everyone's going to know that she sucked Dick on camera. She took it in the ass on camera. It was not a real person. So then maybe you can watch that and

move any kind of victim. Yeah. No, no, people are fucking weird. People are weird. I'll tell you one thing I've never tried and I'm not going to. I don't want it. Nope. Not going to do it.

Is VR porn because Duncan told me, dude, if you ever see VR porn, it's fucking amazing.

Joe hasn't left his house in about six months. I mean, you're watching porn and the people are fucking

20 feet high and trying to view the other bag and if you could move around in it, like you could run another VR, you can get like really close to watch the dick go in there. Like, that's one thing I haven't tried either. VR porn good for you. Stay away. VR in general is weird. You know what's really great though is VR games. Have you ever done any VR games? You know what Sandbox is? You've ever heard of Sandbox? Sandbox, they have one in Austin. They had one in Wooden,

Wooden Hills, right down the street from our old studio in LA. And it is a place where you go. It's like a biggest warehouse and you go to these rooms in the warehouse and they have fans set

up and it's all, like, these walls, like, it's all boundaries. They put a haptic feedback

vest on you and goggles and they give you rifles and the plastic rifles and then you get dropped into this virtual reality where all you fight zombies. Oh shit. It's fucking dope. Dude, it's nuts. When the zombies attack you, they run at you, they claw you, see blood splatter in front of your eyes and you gun them down. It's fucking great. There's a, there's one called deadwood mansion. That's my

“favorite and the deadwood man. There's a couple of different deadwood games. I think there's two or three”

now. I think there's three, I think there's three, there's three zombie games that you can play. That's three different ones. No, it's here. Here. They have one in Austin. Yeah, it's out at, the domain. Yeah, it's out of the domain. It's fucking so fun. My family hates it because they get, like, sick. And I want it. That's all I've wanted to do. So I'd father's dad make everybody shoots zombies with me. Like, it's father's day. What do you want to do? Shoot. Zombies. Like, no.

Like, oh, we have to do it. Yeah. It's, once you do it, it's fun. No. Father's days coming in, Joe. Tournament. Okay. At one point in time, I had the number three score in the country. That killing zombies. Yeah, I went ham one day. One day, I was just locked the fuck in. And the key is, I'm going to give you guys a pro tip. If you're doing deadwood mansion, get the shotgun. The shotgun is overpowered. The shotgun kills more things than anything else. It's way better at it.

But the game is nuts, man. I mean, there's zombie rats that come running at you. There's fucking people that are attached to the walls. They shoot down their tongue and wrap it around your neck and their pulling on you. Show them a clip of it. It's crazy. It is a fucking. It is, it's really fun,

“dude. You'll, you'll love it. Let's take the band to do that. Yeah, that's what you, you could do. You could do it.”

Like, six people. It's going there for like band activities. It's a good one. I bet they have multiple, I don't, I only know of these two of Austin and L.A. They want to pull up his in Atlanta. Oh, it's one in Atlanta. Yeah, they have to have them all over the place. I don't know. I have no idea why it's not everywhere because it's so fun. It's one of the most fun things you could do with your friends. I've, we've done it. My wife and I've done it on double dates. Like, you go do that and then you go

up dinner. It's great, man. It's great. It's really fun. They got ton of locations now. Oh, shit. They're all over the place now. Yeah, that's great. See if you can find a video of deadwood mansion.

Oh, deadwood phobia. Oh, that's the newest one. That's the third one. Oh, there's a squid games one.

We've done that one too. The stranger things one. They have so many different deadwood valley. That's another one. That's really good. The deadwood valley one. They have a, yeah, there we go. So check this out. So this is what happens. You get dropped off into this city and the zombies are there. And so this is, this is you. It's like, it's cut between you with the guns and then like, this is what you see. This is what it looks like. So, but this is more like a video like showing

you what it looks like on the outside, but when you're in it, which they would show you what it

“looks like. That's what it looks like when you're in it. Wow. And these dudes are chasing after”

you're gunning them down. It's really fun. But again, there's a bunch of games that you can do that. Survive the horrors. You got to save the heroes. There's, there's people in there that you have to save. And there's other people that you have to kill. It's dope. It's really fun. That's badass. So that's a good use of VR. Don't be looking at 10 foot vaginas. Look at, go, go kill fake zombies. You get stuck on a train and as it trains to run and down the tracks, they're jumping onto the train

I could get into. I never played any video games growing up. Really? That's crazy. How old are you?

30? How is it possible? I mean, I just never had it much interest in them. Like when I was young, I don't know. Do you friends play video games? I don't know. By the rest of the band, they all play. And you just say, "Nope, not interested." I was just never really into it, man. Well, this is different than a regular video game. This is very physical. You're running around. You're in a room that's bigger than this room and you have your haptic feedback. You also have fans

that blow air at you. It's also cool you off to because it gets hot as fuck and you're running around. You got this vest on. And when you get grabbed the vest vibrates, so you feel it. That's sick. Oh yeah, that's really fun. But it's probably good that you never got into video games because they're

so time intensive. They rob you of your life. You think golf robes you of your life? You don't have

“to leave the house to play video games. Look at Jamie over there. How often do you play video games, Jamie?”

No, not that often. No. I thought you were a junkie. I actually haven't played in weeks. But you were hooked for a while, right? It's a fun. As I'm thinking in my head, I'm like, I grew up playing video games, but I also wish I was fucking sick at guitar. So there's a fucking trade off there. And let's see what I know, or stick a guitar, aren't good at video games or play them. So that's a very good point. I made an effort like a year

or two ago. I got a PS5 and I got red dead redemption. I was like, I'm going to fucking do it. I'm going to play this game. And I just got, I was like, I feel like I'm just doing chores. And I asked my drummer, he was like, yeah, it's pretty much what it is. Oh red dead rejection. You got to play something like a first person shooter. You know, play like Quake or something like that. What's the big first person shooter that the kids played today, Jamie?

“I made Fortnite really. Fortnite is still alive. Fortnite's been around forever. When”

out my kids were in grade school, Fortnite was big. Yep. And they just made some weird, I don't, I stop paying attention, but like Star Wars is now in Fortnite. And the games that they made for Star Wars are just like, nope, it's just in this thing now. You can just play it in here. Wow, really. Yeah. And it's like they down the stormtroopers and lifesavers. Whoa.

Yeah, my nephews are always hitting me for what are they call that? Like Fortnite books,

for V-bucks. V-bucks, V-bucks. I think what V-bucks, so they can play more. Yeah, there's Robux. My kids are always into Robux for Roblox, so you could buy things for Roblox. But apparently now there's like pedophiles have gotten into Roblox. They try to message people. They ruin everything. They do. They do. Crapes ruin everything. But there's some very fun video games that you shouldn't ever do because it'll fuck with all the other things you do. Like

not getting into golf, not getting into video games. Again, Jamie's dead right. That's probably

“why you're so sick of guitar. That's what it's like. You can make a guitar generally,”

we. That's a lot. Well, there's other things like there's certain games we can play guitar. Look guitar hero. That's not the fucking same. No, no, no, but having people learned how to play guitar, an actual guitar because of guitar. There's technically a game. It's like a training called Rocksmith, which is a way. It's you actually have a guitar and it's plugged into it. Not on run school. Like a guitar here, you're just hitting five buttons. Oh, I read the red,

blue, blue, and at the timing thing, but as you know, transfer. It doesn't. Oh, but it would match. I would imagine that a game that would teach you how to play guitar with an actual guitar would be dope. Like if you got like, you know, like these games, like the sandbox game, deadwood mansion, you get a gun. And if you got really good, like staccato has a VR gun game. Staccato, they make pistols. And there's a VR gun game. And you get a plastic staccato. And when

you're playing this game, like you're actually pointing the trigger. And when you pull the trigger, there's actually like a muzzle jump. Wow. So your reticle actually jumps up a down a little. Your red dot jumps up and down a little bit. That would be exactly like it would do if you actually shot a gun. So they have to like re-center it. Bang, bang, bang. And so you could run around doing things and shoot stuff and shoot targets. And that's here too. Yeah. And you know,

but that's a game that you can get for like meta VR goggles, like consumer VR goggles. And so you doing that could get better at shooting guns. Because you're shooting a plastic. It doesn't weigh the same, but it's the same shape, the same form. It's a plastic gun. And what they really should do is make one of those things with the weight of an actual steel gun so that you're accustomed to the actual feel of the thing. Yeah. And then, God, why can't they do that?

skill that would actually transfer over. So if they could do that with a guitar, if they could figure

“out a way to attach like computer sensors to an actual real guitar. This is Rocksmith. This is”

there's levels of it. You can slow it down. And what are you playing real songs? You pick the song. They're in real songs. Right. But what is the interface? Like a car. Oh an actual guitar. Yeah, it's plugged in with USB cable to the computer. Oh, it's their virtual guitar. No, no. This is just, I showed you what it looks like on the the game. But. All right. What is it? But it looks like an actual guitar. It's not a fake guitar. It's not a fake guitar. The guitars are just

things that vibrate strings and, oh, oh, dude. That's dope. It's spelled out of the digital sound thing. That's that is dope. But after a while, you'd have to abandon that. All right. Yeah. He's good at guitar. I mean, did you learn by lessons or did you just learn by playing? So initially, I just learned by just sitting around the house watching cartoons playing guitar. My grandfather would teach me

something. He'd give me like a project, basically. Or my dad would leave me a record to listen to.

It was just his old record collection. So a lot of all my brothers, man, a lot of Skinnerd, Marshall Tucker Bam, that kind of thing. And then I would just sit at home all day and just go over it. And then later, when I was in high school, I studied jazz theory with Steve Watson. At this, it was like a vocational school for the arts, all the Fine Arts Center in Greenville, South Carolina. And I'd go there in the afternoon and study jazz theory, which was really

beneficial, because it's good to put a vocabularity of the things that you kind of knew. But you didn't know how to quite name it. Just kind of learning the vocabularity of learning what the things are called. And then expanding upon that, you know, music theory is a valuable tool. Yeah. Does it, does it help you in writing songs? It can. It helps in like, like a Nashville, they used something called a Nashville number system. So like you go into a session.

And like it's all based off of the major scale. So like 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7. And then the eight is just the octave of the one, right? So they'll say like, we got a 1, 4, 5, you know, and it just represents what the chords are. Yeah. Wow. This is where math and stuff gets really interesting. You go down this rabbit hole forever. And this is, you could, we could bring a turns how I'm back in here.

“This is so weird stuff. And honestly, and then you could bring an exit, you jumped and said,”

this is all vibrations. And you could bring it. And like, I really have a glimpse into some of this music theory stuff. It's fucking weird. Targets Howard, trying to find the one. Yeah.

Like, you know, in a beat, that's hilarious. But the first time I use a number system with, with

the power back. Really? Yeah. Because then, like, his houseman for a long time was the remaining members of the Memphis boys who played on like, son of a preacher man by dusty spring field. Wow. Wow. And like, suspicious minds. That kind of thing. Gene Chrisman's 80 years old playing drums. Bobby Wood, keyboard player Billy Samford. And his second session in Nashville was pretty woman. And he wrote the riff. Wow. I was early to the session. And they were still

they were finishing up their first session of the day, which was John Pryne. Wow. I walked in. It was just like, whoa. Wow. Damn. It was like, that Mark is to get his ass in here and play some slide guitar. So they threw a chart in front of me. I just had to pretend I knew what was going on. Yeah. That's where you got to rely on your ear. But it's conversational too. Like, if you don't really know what's going on, like, you don't want to say much. Yeah. Right. That's

fascinating, man. Yeah. I'm scared of music. Not really, but I'm scared of practicing it. I'm scared of learning it. Because I just feel like it would be very rewarding. It is. And I get very obsessed. Yeah. So I'm to it. Yeah. Well, this amount, I'm glad there's people out there

“like you doing it. Man, I'm just thankful. Well, that's the best attitude to have. That's what I think.”

I think gratitude is the best attitude to have. Yeah. Anyone that's doing what they actually want to do, what's going to propel you forward and and keep it going is probably gratitude. Yeah.

Yeah. Kind of amazing. Just and don't be an asshole. Don't be an asshole. That's it.

“You'd be surprised how hard it is to follow that one. I know, right? A lot of people fail.”

Well, thank you Marcus. Thanks for being here brother. It was fun. I joined him. What's that? Oh.

Thanks for having me. Anytime. Let's do it again. All right. Bye everybody.