#2523 - Ali Siddiq

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>> Good to see you. >> Same. >> We were just talking, so I had a pause, Jamie, before the podcast. So you were telling me that LeBron James is not going to go back to the lakeers. >> Yes. >> How was he now?

>> 41. >> Yeah.

“>> What is the oldest that a elite athlete has been?”

>> Tom Brady's 44, I think, gonna feel QB, that'd be pretty high up there. >> How was the current, how was the, was Korean? >> That's a good question. >> How was Korean when he retired or in our Hopkins, I think, would be the next. >> But not Hopkins is number one.

>> Yeah, but not out. >> If we were talking about how he'd be Kelly Pavlitch at 42. >> But been on had a couple years to incubate a little bit. >> Oh yeah, we know about that, not take damage and steal up the mind.

He had the most intense discipline, that kind of never got out of shape, which is also a giant contributor to the longevity.

Never, never was building back. He wasn't like a 42 year old who was like, you know, he took six months off. I haven't been in the gym, no, but no, no, it was every day, it was running, nutrition, everything was always on point, never buried. >> Korean was like 42, I think. >> So he might be the oldest of the past guys, but this was before all the science, right?

>> Yeah, science, change is thing. >> The science. >> So we were just talking about the science. So Jamie, what are they allowed to take and not allowed to take? >> I don't know.

It's like the NBA used to like, I think for like weed stuff, they used to say that is like they'd get tested, I think like a tober first, which is like right when preseason starts.

>> For weed, yeah, and so like if you as long as you were a clean on October 1st, then you're good because they want to test the rest of the year. >> That's ridiculous. >> But now, I know in the NFL, if you have a crazy game, you're going to get tested the next day, they're just going to check you for, what was going on with you, yes. >> Yeah, why would you put good, I don't think the NBA does that specifically. But I don't know honestly.

>> So what are the rules in the NBA in terms of marijuana now? I thought that was part of the thing that they negotiated in the contract to make sure because a lot of players like to be high when they play. >> I think they might, they might just have just stopped testing for it as well. >> I want to mention names, but I'm friends with some guys and they tell me they can't play unless they're high. >> That's the same thing with pool players, I know a lot of pool players, they like to get lit before they get on the table.

>> You know, pool, pool shit, you should be lit, playing pool. >> Yeah, you feel things better, here we go. NBA can randomly drug test each player up to four times during the season in two times in the offseason with the additional test allowed any time there is reasonable cause, but marijuana is no longer part of the standard testing panel. >> Yes sir, yeah, so they can smoke weed, which makes sense. >> Let them, it's not what are you doing, it's not hurt in anybody and they play better with it.

“>> I think, leave them alone, that's what I think, unless they're doing, unless they're doing math, unless they're doing, you know what I mean?”

>> They also have another big betting scandal is kind of broken recently, a lot of only four hours there. >> Oh no, where a player has been called out for throwing at least four games. >> And then where that's going to go from here is kind of being speculated online. >> I'll tell you where that goes, if people find out there goes the bullets, that's the problem. >> The problem with someone throwing a game is somebody bet on that fucking game, a lot of people bet on it.

>> Okay, cases I've seen know are like the overs, like they had player props and like he needed four point five rebounds and he has four and he's just trying extremely extremely extremely hard to get that extra rebound, which is like no wrong way to mount that bad. >> That means he's playing well. >> The other one, which was he was fixing a spread like in the last second, like he sprinted down the court to get an extra basket with like three seconds on the clock when they were down by ten. >> Or seven technically to be the eight and a half points bread.

>> Yeah, but so what is just scoring. >> How can you ever, when you're watching basketball enough you go like that doesn't happen that often, why would you do that. >> That's like looking close. >> Yeah, especially you used to be with throwing a ball and just throwing it down there, not you running down there. >> I know, but if you can do it in score, what would you do it, I don't even understand why anybody would question that.

“>> That's what you down by ten is five seconds to go, they can't use the ball on the net.”

>> What you meant, what, no, why, because that's not going to change, oh, we lost by eight.

>> I just mean it's a competitive to the end, you never give up and you even know you know you're losing.

>> And no starters on the floor at this time, you down by ten is five seconds to go, no, no starters on the floor.

>> So it's one thing if the guy's missing on purpose, but if he's scoring on purpose, five seconds to go.

>> All right, it's a similar thing, World Cup just happened like two, three nights ago, where they just got into the knockout round. >> You know, so the big tournament was, every team placed three games to figure out where you end up to play the next part of the tournament, 10 teams get eliminated. >> Uh-huh.

“>> Third place team for the first time ever can make it through, and so there was, I think it was Algeria, and I forget the other team, sorry.”

But if they both tied, they both moved through. If one team wins, and one team loses, one team goes through. And then the like, with four minutes to go in the game, they're kind of just passing them all around the score is tied, and one team goes ahead and scores. And it kind of starts to fight on the field where you see the other team yelling at the other team like, fuck you, like, I don't know exactly what they're saying, but like, what, like. And then there's like two minutes to go, the other team sort of just stops playing defense and kind of seems to let them score.

>> Oh, God. >> It's like, I don't, it's that, I think it's a big collusion, if they just sort of like. >> I don't understand, how do, what, don't they have mics on those guys?

>> It's such a crazy team.

>> They have to have mics on somebody, they have strong mics now, and they have people that can lip read. They can pick up, hey, motherfucker, you're supposed to leave this a tie. If that happens, like, you can't play anymore, right? What happens to those guys? They have to get suspended for, that'd be the entire, that'd be both teams, the coaches, it'd be everybody.

>> I don't know, I don't know.

“>> I don't really know how it's going to pan out, but it was very.”

>> What a conundrum. >> Yeah. >> How could you do that? >> Like, I hate that. This is what, this is what I don't like about sports betting, not that, because that's about advancing.

But about sports betting is the even the consideration that a person is playing a certain way, because they're worried about a spread, or because they've been paid off to not score, or they've been paid off to foul. You know, like, there's the problem with these things, is you could bet on anything. >> You can bet on anything. >> Anything, anything.

So, if you're a crooked, and what has been like the most crooked aspect of the fucking human race over the past, like, 100 years, other than the legal system. The most crooked aspect has been sports betting. It's always crooked. >> Sports and politics. They damn many.

>> They're all the same. >> Yeah, they the same. It's money. It's any time as money involved, and decisions can be shifted. Influence can be used to make something happen.

>> But it seems like that with most things that people have some type of high-archy desire for. >> 100%. >> They go and put something in. Even with, like, awards. This is a hooking promote the best.

If you can take all the people that vote to dinner and, you know, smooth them at dinner, it's going to be a thing where who's going to beat you when you have all the voters. >> Right. >> Or you have a situation where you have people that work for your company that can vote. And then how you're not going to vote for the project that the company put out. >> Right.

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>> I think you said it best when you said the hierarchy. That's really what it is. It's anything that has any kind of a hierarchy. Politics is the ultimate example. >> Politics is the ultimate example.

>> But there's that hierarchy hidden everything in the world. Everything. >> And trips people up. >> But with politics, it is a little more detrimental than with sports. You know, what sports is, you know, you gambling people trying to win things.

But with politics, it's like, if you're not somebody that's not qualified can be in a position where they're making decisions on the masses of people's lives. >> Not just that. They're going to point judges, which is-- >> They're going to point crazy judges.

There's obviously judges like they have disputes. But why do they have disputes? Because they're ideologically captured on both sides. There's people that are like, you know like certain right-wing judges.

A abortion rights, whatever it is. Immigration. You know how they're going to vote. >> Yeah, same thing with left-wing people. Like hardcore left-wing people, guaranteed trans women in sports, trans women are women.

Let them play in sports. That was a recent Supreme Court order. Three judges said that trans women should be able to play in women's sport. The rest of them sent fuck no. >> Other six canceled it out, luckily.

>> And, you know, those people are not taking to account the sport. It's a difference if you was originally something, and now you're playing in something else. Your strength is different. >> Everything.

>> And, you know, you don't feel that until your daughter get knocked out the ring, which is supposed to be fucked to somebody.

That's the same gender that now she's always out of phase broke from, you know.

>> It's insane. It's insane. And it's not cruel to not let that happen in sports.

“That's what Title IX is about in the first place.”

Give women the opportunity to play in equal time as men. That's good thing. Having men that think their women play with women is fucking crazy. >> That's good. >> Like, what do we do?

It doesn't mean, you know, you need to castles. People out of society doesn't mean anything. You live in my live. I agree. But get the fuck out of the women's room.

>> You have a dick. >> If you get the fuck off the team, you're running track at a literal, a women's Olympic level, and you're 15. You are.

Because you have a dick. This is crazy.

You're not really a girl.

This is nuts. That's the world we live in. I'm going to say that's the world we live in. That's the world that's being presented to us at this point. That's right.

You know, and it's a lot of things. It's like this. And you, this is why in comedy, I choose not to go the current,

“the current affair or the political route.”

Because I don't have time to separate the room. I'm too busy trying to do things to bring the room together. And that's more of a righteous aim for me. >> Well, you, I said this before. I'll say it live publicly.

What you've done is very extraordinary. Because you've made it a giant following online completely organically. It's very inspiring. Because all you do is just do your thing. The best that you can and put it out there,

and it just keeps growing. It's amazing. It's very, it's very cool. It's very inspirational. And it's, you should be proud of it.

Because what you've done, like I said, it's totally organic. Like you don't have a bunch of production companies pushing you and trying to make you more popular than you are. No, it's all just putting it out there

and getting this gigantic following just from your work. Just the work. >> Appreciate it. And then, you know, even with that,

“you still have some type of responsibility”

to not see things the same as other people. Like, I just got all this flag about me talking about how this business of people in flating things has caused depression in comics. You know, that we supposed to be a happy craft.

But now it's this big push about. If you're not on social media, not on this, you're not on that lot of these comics. You know, going through this mental health thing,

what they always said about their numbers,

you know, or this thing. There's like, yo, man, it is a, it's a thing. Some people inflate things and everybody wants to be on the same level. So sometimes you, you can't be, or what you can.

But people look at it as a certain way, when you proud of the steps that you've taken. And if I played in the G-League, that's not the NBA. So I wouldn't say that I was playing.

I played in the league because I know what the league means. I know, you know, I know it just says this to G-League. But when I present myself, yo, you know I play in the league. People automatically think the NBA, you know, it's not, it's not, the G-League is not,

and not knocking the G-League. But that's not the first thing that comes to my mind. You know, you know, it's just a plan for the Washington Generals is not the NBA. Even though you played against the globe,

they will great players. But we know how this game goes. But people with that style, people see things now. Well, the number of things is real. The number of things is a real problem with people.

Because it gives you a quantifiable measure of whether or not you're doing well. And if you already have anxiety, which a lot of comedians have, you already like socially awkward, which a lot of comedians are. You don't feel accepted, which is how a lot of comedians feel. And then you look at those numbers.

You know, like 2400. I only have 2400 dollars. I've been doing comedy for seven years. Why don't I only have 2400 dollars?

They have 1.2 million.

You're like, what the fuck?

And so this is about being grateful in the position that you're in. I remember when they were people was pushing me.

“You need to get on it and that you need to be on social media.”

Okay. But I would see those people that had all those followers. And that same year, the year before that I did a half-hour special comedy central, then the year 2018, I did a full-hour special comedy central. I had 500 followers on Instagram.

I had 300 followers, 300 subscribers on YouTube on a page that I didn't own. I had to fight to get this page. I had less people on Facebook. But I was efficient in what I was doing. So the numbers didn't pick me because I had these numbers.

They picked me because I came and I did what I did. And then they, oh, he's great. So then we started going, you know, a route to build it up. But we were already getting things prior to the numbers. Right.

What year is this again? This is 17 and 18. Okay. So the difference is that in 17 and 18, people were just starting to be aware of the power of social media. And then they were really concentrating on different comics that had a large social media following.

“You know, I think that was like right when it first started happening.”

Dang, cook had blew up before that. That was, yeah, that was a Myspace. That was a Myspace thing. Yeah, in it. Another industry.

That's true. That was different. But the difference is like he had gotten so huge just from that that he was already doing like arenas. Yeah.

And when they, so he was already huge and then they just went with them. Like, but he was like super popular. Now it's like super popular on social media.

It's one of the most important things.

So now, now moving up to this because I have a strong argument with this. So I have a million followers here, a million followers there, all these specials. I still didn't get invited to the BT. Well, I still didn't get invited to a bunch of things. I still get looked over four things.

Even though I have no business that says, but I don't worry about it. I'm just in my, I'm not watching to judge myself against what somebody else is doing. It's guys who have less everything. But they're in this, they're in this realm. What they, they had everything.

I see guys is that everything with no, with no specials and no proven thing. They just around and I'm like, okay.

“But it's, I'm not, I think the point that I'm not judging myself up against what somebody”

is doing socially. But that's also easier when you're successful in your successful. You're very successful. So the difference is like when you sell out these shows and you put out these specials, like I've seen your specials, there's millions of views.

So it's like obviously you have a following. If you didn't and you were doing the same thing, then it would be a problem. But then also that would, it's like comedy in a lot of ways.

Not always, but a lot of ways is a meritocracy.

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But I also have no desire to inflate things in compare myself to some of make myself seem like I'm more than what it is. Like, guys, I meant this room. I got 50 tickets all. Okay, I must have room seat on the room seat 300. Okay, cool. You have 50 people more than you had.

Who knows you and Utah? Your bill is a building thing.

Like, I got all of this going on.

“But if I go to Utah, I'm in a comedy club.”

It doesn't matter what happened the night before. I was just in arena. But in Utah, it takes me back to on trading places. It says, hey, man, this is, he gave, he gives all this elaborate what this watch is. And that man said, this is what this call is in St. Louis. Like, I don't care about you popping the watch.

It says, and so I don't have that. And I'm not, if I, it's like you, you, you own the club. Okay, it's guys that can come to your club and sell your club out. And then it's guys that come to the club and you paper the room. Okay, then it's guys, like, when you're in the theater,

some, you can scale a theater down. Some theaters hold 4,600 people. But you can scale it down in the 2000. But then the, I'm not going to say, if the room holds 4,600, I put 2,000 tickets on sale.

I didn't sell out the, the, the theater.

I sold what I put on sale. It was then, because I'm not to the point why I can get the 4,600 yet. If I can sell the room out, then I, I, I, I would need to relish the real accomplishment versus the, the, the lesser accomplishment.

And that's, and because I don't have this thing where I'm in competition with what happened before me. You know, so with other people. So I'm in San Antonio. We had, um, we had the, the theater. And because people can make you feel bad about anything.

If you, if you a person that feels bad, just think, um, Minnesota, it's, it's all these people that's on the team that, that play for the Boston Celtics that are millionaires. They already millionaires. They play in the lead.

Boston traded seven people to Minnesota for one person. Kevin going that. They got rid of seven human beings for one person. So it's like, if I was a person that felt bad about my career, this was, would make me feel bad like they,

like the first person that they at, they also, okay, I'm a trade,

this person forever. They're like, no, well, I'm gonna get you two more people. They're like, no. And then I'm gonna give you four more people. Okay.

And, and a, and a lottery pick. Okay. I, I'm gonna feel horrible. They traded me for seven people. Y'all didn't even want me.

Realistically, so Boston went. They got Kevin going that. I mean, I mean, I wasn't, yeah, Kevin going that. And seven other millionaires. They got all this money.

They just got all this. They went to Minnesota. It was then. So if somebody wanted to make you feel bad about something, you know, they, they could.

That's, are you all? So I'm a, I'm in San Antonio. The line is around the block. The place is sold out. It's the same sell out.

No matter who comes in, it's all like that lady said to my face. You should've saw it when Matt Rave came. [laughing] I'm like, am I mad? I'm like, you know what I said?

I was in a different theater. She said, no, I'm saying theater. So when Matt Rave came, he sold out. I sold out two nights. I mean, two days in the same night.

But her thing was, you should've saw it when Matt Rave came. I was like, okay. She probably wanted you to feel bad. [laughing] I'm like, I'm not good for you.

Look at the view, but the thing is a lot of people would. That's what it is. A lot of people are in competition with other people.

“I think you should be inspired by other people.”

You know, if you want to compete in that way, be inspired. But the moment you turn it into a negative, it's like, are you, you're, you're a fool. You're being a fool. Compients and charity.

Also, inspiration is power. It's fuel. Do you see someone doing well? So you see someone set and you like it? That's fuel.

That makes you want to go work. Makes you want to get some shit done. It makes you, it gives you energy. It makes, or it could cripple you. If you're a dummy, if you're a dummy,

and you get angry, and you get bitter, and then you just put all this negativity on the person who's doing better than you. Which is a lot of people do. That's a weird, that's a weird dynamics in this business. When you know that it's going to be people,

no matter what you're doing, it's going to be somebody doing better than you. When I was in comedy clubs,

“I remember being there, and they were papering the room.”

Okay. I wasn't saying I was selling out. They was papering the room. I know it out of all it is 300 people in here.

it was freezing.

They said, "That's the email blast."

But then, what I looked at was, they wanted to come. Yeah. It wanted to come. They're probably comedy fans,

“which is why they're on the email list in the first place.”

And then those people, you give them a great show. They'll come back. Then the next time I came, they didn't pay for their own. They sold, they sold the tickets. That's how it used to be, man.

That was the old days before social media. You would build a market. So you just show up and fill it up. You once a year. Show up.

Do your homework. Like make sure you got a tight set. You've been practicing. You've read it a rock. You fuck these people up and then leave.

And then they're like, "Can't wait till you guys are back again." And then next time you come back, you know, all right, I built an audience now. I can't disappoint these people. I got to get fired up.

And that's what it used to be.

“It used to be a totally organic thing across the whole country.”

Is it a thing? Is it a difference? And your paying between me bringing my audience to a venue from whatever other thing that I do. Versus people coming.

They don't know anything about me. And me winning that person over. Versus the person. Yeah, it's a different thing. You know, people are coming to see you specifically.

You've already won them over. It's a different thing. Or they want to take a chance on you. That's a different thing because I've heard about you. But when, you know, that's a completely different thing.

Because that's your, you have an audience now. You have fans. When you are just performing in a club. And it's a papered room. You have an opportunity.

You have an opportunity to turn these people into fans. You have an opportunity to give these people a great night and have a good time.

And also you're doing your fucking thing, which is the most important thing of all.

Everybody is results oriented. I try to be process oriented. When I, with everything I do, I'm process oriented.

“I think about, there's a goal that you got to reach.”

But how do you get to that goal? The way the way you get there is not thinking about the goal. The way you get there is thinking about what you're doing. What's the process? The process is writing bits, performing them, tweaking them, getting them tight.

Knowing, reviewing tapes, going over your material, going over your writing, talking with friends. And then every day, it gets a little bigger. Every day, it gets a little better. Every day that night gets a little sharper. That's the process that leads you to become whoever you are.

Whoever you are. And then you add other little pieces in that process. I mean, I was talking to Bobby Lee and me and Bobby Lee talking. Bobby, you don't realize what you meant to be at. And he's like, well, it's just going to be a good story as a past story.

Bobby's got a lot of past stories. You met me at the Houston improv and they called me and asked me, "Did I want the host?" A room that I already sell out and they asked me, "Did I want the host?" I said, "Cool." So I came in a hosted and I was not trying to, but I was destroying his feature.

I'm just hosting it. We should not be hosting. And especially at the Houston improv. But my thing was, this was years, this was years ago. But I say, Bobby, you didn't understand when I was hosting at the Houston improv.

I was doing something that most people didn't understand what I was even doing. And they would see, why would you be hosting? I said, because I'm not going to be in front of Bobby Lee's audience. But it's people that living Houston that his audience, that I have, no idea who I am. I said, Bobby, but before you, I said, I was coming to the Houston improv hosting for multiple people.

And I was just winning over fans that would never have seen me if they wasn't coming to see you.

They wouldn't be coming to my show. I said, so before that, it was you were last Bobby. It was you and the week prior to that, it was Master Browning. And the week prior to that was, was my girl, Angela Johnson. And before that, it was some random white guy.

I said, I just came. And I want to do, I'm a comic. So me hosting was no big deal. I wasn't working. So I said, well, let me just come host to this what they want me to do.

I gained fans from four different audiences in a month. So when I came back, it was like, yo, I saw you at Mars, you're running. And so I came back, I came back to see you when you put your show up. I'm like, cool. So my process, that was the part of my process.

It didn't matter who I hosted for. And then I was like, okay, cool.

this is crazy. We had, we had Austin at the Paramount.

“And I said, I said, the worst thing about this was that at the time I was wearing all black.”

And I went to the show.

And when I walked on stage the first thing I said is, hey, I do not work here.

To don't, like, eight people asked me where's the bathroom. I don't know. I don't work. But it was like, I look like an usher. Like, my go.

It sucks. But it was a cool day. That's a smart approach. I mean, that's a great way to build, especially if you're already headlining. Yeah, I think, I think that thing about concentrating on the process.

People should try to apply that to everything. You know, my friend John Dudley who taught me archery. He's a big believer in that being process oriented. Because I get better at archery and he's to compete all over the world. Travel, compete in archery tournaments.

I think that's the, I think that applies to everything.

I think that applies to music.

I think that applies to everything.

“The more, I think, one of the things that trips people up of all social media, a lot of these young guys,”

in particular, young people in particular, is that they are thinking about other people. And they are comparing themselves to other people. And they are looking at those numbers. And you're, you're looking, you're spending all of your energy. If you have an allotted 100 units of energy in a day.

You're spending a disproportionate amount on things that don't empower you. And actually kind of fuck your head up. Not good for you at all. Instead of saying, wow, I am chasing the fucking dream. Right?

I am out here being a professional comedian. And I have a real chance to develop a real following. If I put my time in, I put my effort, a really care and a really work hard. I could sell out a theater one day. That's possible.

Like, that's a goal. It should be a goal just like getting your PhD in chemistry. Or whatever the fuck it is, your goal is. But the process is what's important. The process is like appreciating what you're doing while you're doing it.

And just bearing down and doing your rest. That's it. That's it. In other people, look at them as inspiration. Other people that are kicking ass.

You know, don't get it. Don't get it. Become a hater. That shit is so bad for you.

I know so many dudes who have like hater tendencies and they never excel.

Never. It's the counter thinking of an excellent person is a hater. If someone is always trying to diminish people and downplay people and look at someone in the least charitable way and the worst possible way, does somehow know they're trying to make themselves feel better.

But it doesn't work. It does the opposite of work. It robs you. It robs you of your self esteem. It robs you of your self respect.

You're spending so much time thinking about this other dude. Like why? It's a lot of it's a lot of energy and my dad is once this is one story that I did not put in the special that I should have. And my dad had all these these thoughts.

And he was, I lived this day. He was a crazy man. But when you think about the things that he would say. Mason's. My dad.

And why would you be telling me this at the age? That, but he just gave me, I think I was like 11. And my dad, I don't know what to say. You know those. People spend the same time and money on being fake when they can put that same time

and money in the being real. Yeah. And I'm like, I don't know. I understand what that meant. But as I got older.

If you spend any money or time faking something, you could probably spend that money in time being real about something. Yeah. You know, why go buy a fake necklace to take like you rich when you can go buy a real necklace. It was an at some point.

It was an, and, you know, be actually be rich.

“You know, if that's what you compare to necklaces.”

But I just didn't understand it at the time. But then as I got older, I understood like why put this, why put this time in to pretending when you can put that same engine and then become real at what you do. It makes no sense. My uncle Vinny, when I was six or seven years old, I was staying at his house with my cousins.

And we were, we were supposed to brush our teeth. And I didn't like following rules period. And so I wouldn't brush my teeth instead. I would take toothpaste and smoosh it around on my teeth. And so that when they smelled my breath, they would smell toothpaste.

And my uncle explained to me, he goes, he goes, I understand why you're doing it. He goes, but the amount of time that you're spending pretending to brush your teeth,

And I thought about that when I was six, I was like, damn. That was just a little kid. But I was like, hi, he's right. Why am I faking brushing my teeth?

“My uncle Vinny was like super patient, super calm.”

At all my family members. He was the strangest out of all these wild, crazy Italian people.

He was an artist and he was like very soft-spoken and never got angry about anything.

I'd always speak really rationally. Oh my god, he's so smart. He's so peaceful. He just, but he let the way he laid it out when I, he didn't say, hey, I know you're not brushing your teeth. You're a little fuck.

And what's the reason that? It was the time you're spending pretending to brush your teeth. You could have just brushed your teeth. But it was like sometimes adults will say something to you like that when you're six. And it just gets in your head and you're like, whoa.

Okay. That just saved me a whole lot of time. I got you brushing. Just brushing your fucking teeth. Stop pretending, stop faking.

It doesn't help anything. It does the opposite. It does the opposite. And you know, people, the truth sometimes is hurtful to people. The truth doesn't feel good.

You know, to a lot of people, unfortunately. But, you know, you have to look at it. You have to have perspective. But that's the ultimate hate right there. The ultimate hate is for me to give you falsehood instead of taking the truth.

Right. That's the ultimate is the ultimate hate. I especially feel like you're making up a background for yourself. You're making up a story about your life. It's not true.

You're pretending you're somewhere in life that you're not. You know? You know, man. Just do the thing. Just do the thing.

You put it's hard for people. It's hard for people. And then there's a lot of people that think you just fake it until you make it. You hear stories of this guy. I had $500 in my bank account.

But I told them, I got this. I got that loan. The next thing you know, my business is making all this money. And you go, wow, he faked it until he make it. And it worked.

And you think it's going to work. That's the purpose of it. So few and far between them.

Then they never tell you that guy goes to jail later from here.

Yes. All hundred percent. A hundred percent. You know, the fast bust in my house three years later and took everything. Like, okay.

Exactly. Like, when they arrested Carl Spencey recently, I feel like all those counts of tax fraud. I was like, okay. I don't want that to happen to him.

But there it is. Right? I mean, that's what he did. I'm not laughing at Carlos and see. I'm just laughing at the fact that he's like, yeah.

Yeah, when he busts his guy. I mean, I didn't. I was didn't bring me any joy to see that. I don't like anybody getting arrested for taxes.

“I think I think taxes until they have an accurate account of where the fucking money goes.”

And until you completely eliminate all fraud and waste. What the fuck are you doing locking people up for not paying taxes? Like, you guys should get locked up for not doing a good job with our money. So, what you think about all the new purchases and redoing the White House and all this with tax dollars? Did they do with tax dollars?

How much money do they spend in tax dollars to do the ballroom? What's that? What's that? They need a ballroom though. That's all that guy's snuck in with the gun.

Because they tried to do that White House correspondence dinner in a hotel. That dude who got arrested a few months back. Well, what's this, this resolution, the pool, something full of algae right now that we spend on it? Yeah, I don't know about that. That's something about making the pool look nice, but whatever that is reflecting pool.

Yeah, the reflecting pool.

Reports indicate the new White House East Wing Ballroom is projected to cost about 600 million with roughly half.

Just over 300 million coming from taxpayer-funded government accounts, despite earlier promises that it would be taxpayer-free. 300 million sounds like a lot until you find out how much money they spend on other things. When you find out how much fraud is in NGOs, how much fraud is in nonprofits? How much fraud is in insider trading and propping up companies so that they can get better deals?

Well, the whole thing is fraud. The thing is, if you spend in, I understand how much money goes and other things with you, if you spend in any money that that's my money that I don't know that I need it or that's not really the aim to go. You should be able to vote on it.

“You should be able to vote on where all your tax money goes.”

How much money is, how much tax money is being exposed on getting smart people in places, getting smart, making smart children?

That's the thing.

“The big one is, if you look at our country as a community and that's what we're supposed to be doing.”

We're supposed to be the United States of America.

All that bullshit aside, that was the one good thing that happened about 9/11. When 9/11 happened after that, we were all united. It was crazy. It was crazy. We realized, like we are actually on a team.

So, for on a team, why do we have these deeply impoverished neighborhoods for decades and decades that are riddled with crime and drug abuse? Why? Is it impossible to fix? That's crazy.

That's not true. There's just no one's tried to fix it. No one's done any effort to fix it. And if you did fix it, you want to make America great. Here's the best way.

Less losers. And how do you get less losers? More opportunities for people. More opportunities, more support, more education.

More everything that you need if that was your neighborhood.

And if we did that, we'd have to switch the way our system runs, but that could be done, man. That's a good one. You don't have to have losers. Not that many.

“That's the thing about making America great, right?”

If you're trying to make anything great, don't you need intelligent people to do that? Of course. So, number one thing. So, when we have all these divisive people that's on a lower vibration, how is that making the country great?

If we're putting people in position that don't have the experience of the education in those things, then we just saying a bunch of divisive things. You know, you know, it was, if I'm watching the extravaganza that happened to White House, what was the thing, Michelle Obama is a man? Like, how did that help?

How did that help? That guy says that every time. But what is the thing, first of all, it's really divisive because you're no that a large portion of the country is going to take this. That's going to have a problem with this.

You know, clearly she's not a man. It was a man. But it makes no sense like to,

I've never seen this many people say so many damaging things about a past president.

It's like he's still on the forefront and it's not like we have a president that's doing the greatest job for this country. You know, which is, which is weird or weird thing to be. And people going ass is that was the belief. That's the real belief of people. That's the real thing.

Well, listen, there's some crazy people to believe the world is flat. There's a lot of dumb beliefs. There's probably people that do believe Michelle Obama's a man. What that guy does, he's like a pro wrestler. Like he's got a character called the Incredible Hulk.

It's very corny in a lot of ways. Sometimes it's, you know, cringey. But the point is he gets a lot of attention. A lot of attention because of all this. That's what he's doing.

So what he's trying to do is maximize the amount of attention that he can get for a very short window of career. It's not how he really feels how he really thinks. When you talk to him in real life, it's very reasonable. This is an act that he does, like a pro wrestling act. But what he can do is fight.

He's really good.

“And that's what's so confusing about it all.”

So you got this guy who's created like this fake persona where he puts on an American flag band down. It comes out the Hulk Hogan music. Does all his interviews with sunglasses on. Has a bunch of crazy silly rhymes and says ridiculous shit. Just trying to get attention.

The most amount of attention. So it is very divisive. Don't get me wrong. But that's by design. So he's Hulk Hogan and Randy Savage in the same industry.

Natural fighter. But actually fucking good one man. He just knocked out Derek Lewis at the White House. Derek Lewis has the most knockouts in history. Don't do that.

Don't do that. Don't do what. Just don't don't don't say that. So excited. Because Derek Lewis go to the same gym.

Oh, man. Street box of gym. Houston. I'm very close. Dude, I love Derek.

I don't like the fact that Derek Lewis lost their fight. I think Derek Derek of 10 years ago would have been a real fucking problem for that. Because Derek of 10 years ago, you couldn't hold him down. He would just get up. He had, there's a whole compilation of people trying to hold Derek Lewis down.

We just get to hand on you and just, whoop. His grip. They did that UFC grip thing where they test the grip. Everybody's like 140. The strong ones are like 160.

One night. Derek just squeezed it casual to 18. So they were like, what the fuck? So you see how problematic this was for me. You already beat my friend.

My friend, then you turn around and say, he beat a 40 year old Derek. Yeah, a 40 year old Derek little dent turn around and say, Michelle Obama's a man. I was like, okay, you know what I know. I know what you're saying.

I'm pissed. I'm pissed. Listen, like I'm pissed. But I'm telling you, if you met that dude in real life, you would get it. He's just a dude.

And he's like, I got to do something to figure out how to get people to pay attention to me.

Because it can't just be fighting. It's not enough. If you look at Connor McGregor, you look at Sugar Sean O'Malley.

“You look at these guys that have these flamboyant personalities.”

These big personalities. They get caches clays the original example. They get immense amount of attention. And that translates into much more money and much more opportunities. There's no fucking way that guy would have gotten that fight at the White House

if you couldn't fight. Because the fight that he had before that he fought Curtis Blades, who was a top 10 UFC heavyweight, huge wrestler. And they went to war, dude. I mean, put it on him for three fucking rounds.

Like Curtis just has an insane heart and survived it. But that guy can fucking fight. But just that alone's not enough. But will you gotta get attention? I don't agree with it.

I wouldn't do it. It's not my thing. I don't like it. Right? But I get it.

And it's smart.

When Muhammad Ali though,

he was very respectful in his, in his, in his act. You know, to get attention. You know, just like he wasn't. I mean, he wasn't with other people.

But he would show up at fucking Sunny Listen's house and scream about him on his fucking front lawn at four in the morning. He did wild crazy shit. He did it.

He did it. He did a lot of why. He was just all about getting your heart rate up. Get your emotions in there. He was so fucking smart.

He knew before everybody that you could just get somebody into a frenzy. And they wouldn't be able to sleep. The whole life revolved around fighting you. And I can't let this guy beat me in the fear of losing. He's going to keep you weak.

It's going to keep you. You're not going to be able to eat as much food. You're going to feel nervous. But you see what happened was the mic called him. Can't see his clay.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. You see, the thing was that. Who, what fighter was that? I'm, you kept punishments.

Yes, mama named. Mama named. I'm going to call you. But that, that didn't work out for me. No, he beat that.

He beat the lead. He's out of a man. He carried him. He carried him. I was beating his ass.

He was a special, special guy. You know, I'm not comparing him in terms of his cultural significance to Josh Hoked. Because, you know, he was my parents, my mother and my stepfather were hippies.

They never watched fighting.

“But when he had a rematch with Leon Spinks, that's how much of a cultural figure he was.”

They wanted him to beat Leon Spinks. Yeah, I got him. He's got a win. He's got a win. Hippies.

Sitting in front of the fucking TV in like 1970, whatever it was. Crazy to the end of Italian hippies. Yeah. I was like, 'cause I heard it. It was like, my family was like, 'That's all there was a tie.

It's a tie. Yeah. Well, they were hippies. But, you know, my grandmother went to jail for running numbers for them all. So, it's like, there was a lot of...

Oh, okay. There was a lot of... Really a lot of... Yeah, grandma went away for a little bit. She wouldn't rat him out.

So, she did some time. I was at, I was at a show one time. And I said, 'Um, why are all the Africans at in here?' And this Italian dude, he's from Sicily. He raised his hand.

And I said... And the people were like, 'Wow, he raised a hand.' He was like, 'He knows.' (laughter) He knows.

He knows. Yeah. He was like, 'Yeah, it's a really good reason why Sicilians have darker hair, curly hair, darker skin.' He was like, 'Yeah, you know what I'm saying?' And that's all I'm saying.

He knows. And people who got it, it was like... Yeah, right. And at that point, it's like when people don't know that you have some sort of level of intelligence. It's like...

It needs information. Yeah, like... No. Okay. It's a big difference.

That's funny though. Yeah. Yeah. Well, there was a lot of hippies back then, man.

“And I think the original idea behind it was great.”

That was just watching this thing today about the CIA and LSD. And what they did. It was really funny, man. It was a... That's for you.

Yeah, that's for the animal day too. Isn't it dope? Yeah. See if you can find it. Put it up because it's kind of cool.

There's a conveniently an MK Ultra hearing going on right now in the... Oh! How convenient! Cousin bro, that... I got it right here, Jamiel sent it to you.

Um, they 100% are still doing that. And no if-ans are butts. If you think they did that in the 60's and they 100% did, if they're doing mine control experiments on people and their influence and people's opinions and half of the reason why people are at odds with each other all day long on it online

is probably government intervention. Okay. At one point, there's some governments intervention. This is... This is...

This is not ours, Russia and China. This is wild. Yeah, it's great. This is a hippie movement. And your mom's favorite band probably helped them.

In the 1950's, the CIA bought up the world's supply of LSD. They brought it to the pharmaceutical company Eli Lilly,

Giving them an unlimited supply and a complete monopoly.

Then the testing started.

“One early volunteer for these tests was Ken Keasey.”

Keasey wrote a book inspired by this experience which became a best seller. Then Keasey went on to host events, which he called acid tests. And he wasn't charging anyone. He just wanted people to show up and do acid.

For these events, he hired an unknown house band called The Greatful Dead. These events became wildly popular and with them rose the popularity of the band. So the Greatful Dead begins touring. And Keasey follows them around in a bus from show to show. And everywhere he went, he brought a vat full of cool A lace with LSD.

This guy had a seemingly endless supply. Exporting the hippie culture all around the US. Meanwhile, the CIA is flooding college campuses with LSD under the guise of research. And The Greatful Dead was just one of many bands in this movement. At the same time in Laurel Canyon came a wave of musicians with something in common.

They were all children of high-ranking military officials.

The biggest names in music.

Jim Morrison of the Doors was the son of an admiral. Frank Zapas father was a chemical warfare specialist. Even cross-be stills in Nash. Yeah, all three of them. And all of these bands as well.

The theory is the CIA orchestrated the hippie movement to steer a very real anti-war movement into something a little easier to combat. Decent without teeth. The hippie slogan was "literally" Turn on.

Tune in. And drop out. In other words, do acid and remove yourself from society. And a lot of them did drop out of society to go live in commons in the woods. This intersection between hippie culture and the CIA could all be a great big coincidence.

Maybe military brats naturally want to rebel. And maybe the CIA was giving away acid because they're chill like that. Maybe CIA created the hippie movement. And your mom's favorite band probably helped them. Yeah.

And that wild? That's crazy. That's wild. They also had a big influence on gangster rap. Big influence on promoting gangster rap.

A hundred percent proven. A hundred percent. A hundred percent. Yeah. They wanted to feel prisons.

You want to push that over anything. You know, because we can look at how rap music changed in the change. You know, 1992. Yeah. At the 1992, they was like no more positive rap.

Well, it was whenever straight out of Compton came out because I was in Boston at the time.

“I would remember to the day it happened.”

But straight out of Compton wasn't a drug-field induced out. If you look at some of the saw, you look at a lot of the songs that was on that album. It was rebellious songs against the system, you know. Fuck the police. And then 1992, man.

When they decided, yo, we don't want no more daylight. So, you know, no more trial call quests. We don't want no. You get them leather medallions. I'll feel it.

It's like yo. We did it. We did it. We did it. Like yo.

They went like self destruction. And West Coast, West Coast all stars. They was like, what? They coming together. No.

You know, we need this to be divisive. We need them to separate. And that's crazy. That the biggest times that I've experienced this country being together was the Olympics. When the dream team came, 911 and COVID.

That's the biggest time that we, the three biggest times I've ever seen us together. Yeah, because we need something. We need something that's real. We need some sort of an event that makes us realize. First of all, the fragility of life.

That's important. And we have to realize that we're all supposed to be a part of a team. And we, you can't play on a team. If your team makes something that you, that you valuable. Not only that, you can't play on a team.

If your team mates are poisoning you. If your teammates are allowing you to eat rotten foods that you can't play. And maybe giving you inferior gear on purpose. And maybe keeping you in a place where you can't get sleep. So that you're not going to evolve.

It's not just like you're always going to be tired.

You're going to be fatigued. So you're never going to get better at whatever the fuck it is you're doing. You're never going to advance in life. You're going to be tired. You're going to be on drugs.

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This is how I see it. That's not a good team. This is how I see with parenting. It's hard to parent if your number one goal is survival. Right.

Im saying this is hard to parent. You got to parent from a comfortable space. You can't parent from nervous chickens really don't lay eggs in them. So the thing is, the way I parent now versus how my mom was strictly survival.

So my thing is survival first.

It was then the rest of it.

“I don't remember going to on vacation with my parents.”

Like vacation. What? You want to work at two jobs and going to school, trying to better, she's just taking care of you. So my kids going vacation is different. So I see things from both sides all the time because I'm in which makes me grateful. I'm grateful that I can do the things I can do with my family.

I'm saying versus parenting from a place of frustration. But I understand this, this, this frustration thing. And I'm trying to take care of you and you know. And then something I look at my kids like, you know something you have it really easy. Because if I were to wash them dishes, my mom would destroy me.

Because her mindset is, hey, I'm trying to take care of you. I'm trying to help in this.

You know, it means like, we have a housekeeper.

He's that. I was keeping going for days after week. And now I'm like, so you're just going to throw that stuff on the floor. And you're making it hard for the housekeeper. You know, the reason why she's here for days a week is so to make your life easier.

But you're adding on to by being lazy by being lazy. Like, I don't, this is a balance in that, right? Protect your children, but you don't want them to develop soft. You want them to be able to take care of their own problems. And you want them to be able to understand the consequences of their actions.

So this is like fine line of like encouragement and punishment. And like explaining to them how your life was different. And you have to appreciate this life. This is very unusual, you're super fortunate.

“But I think ultimately what they learn from is how you behave.”

That's a giant part of being a parent that people, I don't think, are totally aware of until you start doing it. That they understand you, whatever the fuck you say is one thing. That's great. What you do is what they really say.

And if you're a lazy fucker, it was always making excuses.

Your kids are going to not have respect for you. They're going to know like real early on. You're kind of full shit. This is the craziest thing though, you know how hard it is to put some amount of punishment and then say, hey, pack, we're going to cobble.

And my own punishment, we're going to cobble. Get your iPad for 16 hours. We get the cobble, you stay in your room. Oh, look, the ocean. It's thinking about your consequences.

As you order room, sorry. The job is coming to the room and you don't punish me. So I can't have oysters. Here are the birds chirping. You're looking at the waves.

It's rough. I mean, it's a certain part of success that you almost can't punish. Because it's like, I'm not standing at home. I've got you on punishment. Right.

See, my mom would see, it's just different, you know? It's different. My mom is going home and turn on not smiling in a dynasty. And I'm in my room with no TV because it was only one TV. It's a TV in every room.

The punishment was coming here and watch Falcons growls with me. Why? I don't want to watch no foul and crisp. You start watching film growls. Now you love it.

You're like, so when does it come on again? You get a thing that's my character. That's why I like mash. It's that I would be in trouble. And you watch in mash and bananas.

And then I was like, you love mash. I cried with mash when I was like,

“Did you remember the dude who dressed up like a girl in mash?”

Jamie Far? Yeah. He was my neighbor. I was a neighbor? Yeah.

Back in California. He lived right next door.

Wow. Clinkered.

It used to be just me and him.

“And then another guy built a house in between us.”

Uh, who was cool? Very friendly guy. I played a character. I played a good character. That was a good show.

Yeah, mash was a very good show. You know, and I said this other day to a friend of mine. I said, like, I listen. I used to ride and take my kids at school and listen to morning shows. You know, really Tom Jonah.

You know, listen to Tom Jonah. And this is something I can listen to with my kids. Now there's, there's no morning shows that I can listen to with my children without them. Putting in a different element that I don't want my kids to be a part of. And that's a weird thing that they're cursing on radio and doing all this stuff.

But they can't curse on radio. Oh, yes, they can't. Can they?

They had drop a B word in a minute.

Oh, a B word. Yeah. But that's it. You can't use, you can't say fuck. No.

Yeah.

“But the rest of it, you know, my, you know,”

you got daughters. Right, right, right. And you're hearing some shit. You don't want them to hear. Yeah.

That's a weird thing. You like, so they could go to school and, you know, at the, and they say, right, watching the B. He's like, man, that was the ending of the show. Right.

That's funny. Yeah. So now you just, we ride and listen to, he's cold. He was then with no talk. Oh, I listen to MPR.

I listen to, um, urban, urban network, you know, with them. Listen, not a, got all these political questions. And, you know, when you're fabulous, like, So why aren't we voting? No.

Oh. It's like you've been listening to Karen Anna. It's the whole talk on the way to school, the front school. So it's, um, it's weird how you, what shows that you sit down and watch,

which are kids now. You know, they had to watch the, the shows that I grew up watching. You know, got to go back. You got to watch Perry Mason and family matters. And, you know, the God will be show.

You know, different world. We had to go back and watch good times. You know, can't watch the current things. You know, so, you know, even with, with comedy, I took, I took our song to a comedy show with me to see some friends.

And it was 14 at the time. And we left because it was, no, it was nothing. The things that would be in say it. It kind of made me go back to when, um, cause we did the, the story about his song going to see Eddie Murphy.

And he's dad. He said these things.

And I was sitting there like the, after the first two minutes.

I'm like, yo, we got to get out of here. How old was he at the time? 14, that's too young. And I'm like, yo, man. But I mean, the guy who's doing comedy is doing comedy for adults.

They're drinking in a nightclub, right? No, we said it. We said, uh, event where it was all these body buildings. The gym. Um, next level had did a, um, a show for all the, the,

the, the people that work out there and the trainers. Uh-huh. And I'm thinking, okay, this is at a ballroom. You know, it's probably going to be pretty cool. Uh-huh.

And I stopped in, you know, we said the back. And then it went left. And I was like, hey, man, let's get out of here. And he seemed me. And so he's like, no, this ain't, this ain't the same.

I'm like, yeah, I'm not, I'm not going for a certain type of laugh. I'm not doing shock value. You know, so he's watched almost all the specials. You know, so it's not this, it's not the, the same for, for him. You know, and he looked, he knows a lot of comics.

So it's, it's not, this wasn't conducive. I was like, how's on we out? [laughter] So we out here. It's like, but it's some, comics you can go.

And you can watch the, they whole show, like a Marcus D. While he can get an understanding of Lee's marriage. You know, how, how, marriage go to give you some, some fuel.

“But I think the, the landscape of, of comedy is different for different people.”

Not knocking the people who do shock value or, uh, or a lot of sexual content. That's their, that's their stick, you know, and they probably young. And at some point they grow, hopefully they grow. And it'll be more things than life to talk about. People like, well, how do you add as many specials?

Um, because I have a life, you know, I had a life before that I talked about. And then I have a life, a current life that, you know, I'm still experiencing things. So I'm going to talk about things that that's, that's a little different.

I remember when I, when I, when I figured that I was sex wasn't that big when I went to,

you know, they had to think Netflix and chill. Uh-huh. And I actually wanted to watch the movie. And then it's funny. So it's, uh, it's a thing about the development in this game or how you grow and what you think about.

“Well, I think comedy is just, the one of the problems with the label is that there's no genres.”

It's not like blues comedy rock and roll comedy hip hop comedy, EDM comedy. It's just comedy. And you don't know what it is. It's just different people's perspective on things. And there's different kinds of comedy that people like.

You know, some people are giant Richard Prior fans. Some people are Sam Kinnison fans. Some people are Jerry Seinfeld fans. And some people love Bonnie Wright. And some people love, you know, whatever James Brown, fill in the blank.

There's a lot of different styles of music.

And there's a lot of different styles of comedy.

And all that I care is that you enjoy what you're doing and you're doing it because you enjoy it. And if you're doing that, I don't give a fuck. I don't give a fuck what you're doing. I don't care if you have props. I don't care if you write signs and hold them up for the crowd.

I don't give a shit what you're doing. I don't care if you're doing impressions. I don't give a fuck what you're doing. That that was a huge. So when talking about the scope of comedy, you know, I'm.

I can start with Carol Burnett, you know, I watched that. But the guy who I watched on HBO a lot. I knew I wasn't going to do that type of standup. It was that was just a whole different thing. But Gallagher.

That was crazy to me. Crazy. That was crazy. Everybody more plastic. Yeah.

Garbage bags around the next one. What six rolls. Yeah. Just getting splattered with watermelons and pineapples and coconuts. And one of the fuck he was cabbage.

Ridiculous. Ridiculous. But he also had some good jokes. Yeah. Some solid jokes in between then.

Do did a ton of specials. Yeah. The story of the Gallagher story is Gallagher retired. And his brother took over. His brother was Gallagher too.

So he had a brother that kind of looked like. I don't remember that. Right. And then somewhere down the line, Gallagher decided he wants to start doing comedy again. And he's like, hey, Gallagher too.

The gig is up. And he's like, no, no, no, no, no. I'm making money. I'm Gallagher too.

“I think there was some sort of a legal dispute.”

Do you find out if that's correct? There was a legal dispute between them. Gallagher's younger brother, Ron, who shared a strong likeness to Leo, asked him for permission to perform shows using Galagher's trademark. Sledgeomatic routine. Leo granted his permission on the contingent on the condition that Ron and his manager clarified in promotional materials.

This was Ron Gallagher, not Leo Gallagher, who was performing. And typically performed in venue smaller than those of which Leo Gallagher performed after several years. Ron began promoting his act as Gallagher 2 or Gallagher T-O-O or T-W-O. And some it says Ron's act was promoted in a way that left unclear the fact that he was not the original Gallagher. Leo initially responded by requesting only that his brother not used the Sledgeomatic routine.

He can't use the fucking, he can't use the Sledgehammer. On the less continued at tour as Gallagher 2 using the routine in August 2000 Leo sued his brother for trademark violations and false advertising.

The court ultimately sided with Leo and granted an injunction prohibiting Ron from performing any act that impersonated his brother in small clubs and venues.

This injunction also prohibited Ron from intentionally bearing likeness to Leo. What? Imagine you can't look like your brother. Cut your mustache, you got to change your mustache, you got to get rid of the beard. That's crazy.

So did Gallagher continue with his career after he kicked his brother out? Did he come back? Probably. Was that part of it? I think it was.

Yeah. I think I don't know. Nobody means does it say it there? It doesn't say it here or not. It doesn't say it specifically in this paragraph now.

“When did Gallagher start performing again, put that in a search?”

Because I think he did start performing. Yeah. He was rushed to the hospital after performing since 2011. Oh. Okay.

And what year did he sue his brother? 2000. Oh, so he did start doing comedy again. So that's it. Yeah.

So he's like, hey mother fucker. Yeah, he had a special in 2007 and 2014. Yeah, he can't be doing that with Gallagher too running around. Siphon and off of your crowd. You know, people are funny.

He wants to spend 50 bucks and see Leo. Oh, he wants to spend 20 bucks.

See Ron smashing fucking cabbage.

Think on him 31 years old. Lisa? Last call for a steuer. Oh no. I don't know where I'm going to go.

Why so steuer? This is how steuer is going to be. Of course. What's all this automatic? No.

One fucker. No, then. Hold on. With this steuer. It's the 31st Newly Upgeben.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Carrot top.

And what are you saying? Yeah, you could perform, but you can't use the sledgehammer. I would use a mallet. What about a mallet? Can you use a mallet?

Can you use a baseball bat?

Hmm. Does it have some pitch-me things, and I smash them into the crowd? Yeah. You can't own that. That's a different thing.

We're handing out oranges and tomatoes in the ocean. Yeah. Honestly, I don't give a fuck what you do. As long as you like what you're doing. It's like I love certain kinds of music that's completely opposite to other shit

that I love. I mean, I like all kinds of stuff.

“I don't think you should pigeonhole yourself with anything.”

But I would not take my kids, especially when they're really young. To see someone who's like very sexual or really roudy or really ronchy. You know, the caveat to this is he was in the green room, and they were looking right at him. Like they ended up like, and I'm like,

What a tail change is tail tail me, but I didn't know they act. But he didn't say hey, bro, you got young kids. Yeah. Because I would say hey man tonight, you know. Right.

Yeah. Yeah.

Especially if you were another comic,

and you brought your kids high bro. Yeah. Because this is going to really separate kids. You know, you got to get him out of him. They don't need to know about all these techniques.

Yeah. So that's weird. Yeah. That is weird. But you know what I mean?

It's like time and a place like who's he doing it for? I mean, they probably knew what he did before they hired them. They wanted that. Someone's a fan. Which is fine.

But just don't invite kids. Yeah. Like I said, I didn't. All I did was hate how son. Let's go.

And that's it. I didn't. Hey, y'all should have been. I'm like, man, dude, you do. But I'm getting my kid out of here.

Man, and then you get the phone call. And then why you leave? You don't really want to know why. I'm leaving because you are terrorizing my child. Yeah.

And then, oh, yeah, no, but I definitely wouldn't take my girls to like, no, no, no, no, no, no. They don't need to see that early. Not, not at all.

“My wife got mad at me when I think I don't.”

One of my daughters was six. The one was eight. I had to watch the movie Alien. You ever see the movie Alien? The original movie?

Yeah. Fucking terrifying. And it was too young. This is too young. I fucked up.

You know, I think. How fun watch and a bell when he was young. And it, well, animals creepy. It was. He was traumatized.

He watched it somebody else's house. Oh. And, you know, with some other kids. And they were like, I guess they, they understood. But how son was.

It was a whole problem. Like, you tell my sleeping with all the lights on in the house. Like, I want all the lights on. And I'm sleeping in your bed. Like, do you ever go to that place in Vegas?

It's haunted me. Zach Baggins, haunted me. He has the Annabelle doll there. Wow. Yeah.

There it is. Which one is one on the right? Oh, hell no. That's the real one. That's right.

Is the one on the left the movie one? Yeah. Oh, really? Interesting. Wow.

So that Annabelle is both on creepy as hell to me. Well, there's something extra creepy about the one with eyes like a person. The left one. That's insane. You believe in ghosts?

Yes. Really? Have you had experience? No. No, no, no, no.

I have. Let me go back. Let me say that. I do believe in ghosts. So my old house where my mom say that now.

It's a girl that lives there. You know, I don't know what happened at this house. But it's definitely a girl that lives in the house. But she would only come from, like, the hallway bathroom to the kitchen. And I remember doing the painting.

When you say a girl, you mean a ghost? Yeah. That's a girl. Okay. She's definitely a girl.

“And I remember being doing the pandemic.”

I was in the den. And I was working on, I was working on something. And literally, I just turned to say it. So you up, huh? And could I get filler?

A lot of people in my family have experiences with past relatives that passed on.

My uncle said he saw his, his dad was my grandfather on any shoes. And my mom said she saw my grandfather before in that living that died in the house that they had in on Mississippi. But yeah, I believe in ghosts. I believe in unsettled spirits.

My grandmother, the one I was telling you about before, she was very interesting. And she, she really strongly believed in ghosts. And there was a guy that stayed with them for a while. They had a, like, an upstairs area that they weren't using once the kids left. And so they rented out, like, it was like an attic space that they had converted.

Or so I forget exactly what it was. Anyway, they rented out a room to this guy, where the circumstances were any died. And my grandmother swore the, the dude stayed in the house. Yeah, I believe it.

I think it's possible that if something happens to you that, if you're dying,

it's a very traumatic experience. And I have a feeling that we don't totally understand memory. And we assume that memory is something that only human beings have. Or that only animals have. Or that only creatures have living creatures have.

I don't think that's real. I have a feeling there may be a type of memory from particularly traumatic experiences that stays in a space. And I think this is one of the reasons why they have to disclose with it a certain amount of time. Someone's been murdered in the house in a lot of places before you buy it. Because people don't want to live in a house that's got that energy in it.

Because I think, I think things keep energy. I think they do.

“I think there's something more to memory than just as simple as, oh, remember when we were five?”

I think there's something else there. I think that's our memory. But I think there's a type of memory in things. That's what I think. I believe in the unseen world.

So I believe in genes. You know, I believe in angels. He was saying, so it's the unseen world. That's not, you know, I would think. But it was things that was things here before us, you know.

I think there's things here with us. Yeah, definitely with us. People who don't think that haven't smoked DMT. But I definitely get old. Get old as a DMT and you're like, okay, I don't know shit.

There's things around me all the time. There's things that are influencing you all the time. And this is like, when we talk about like good energy and bad energy, one of the things you experience in psychedelic states is a clear recognition of like good things you've done and bad things you've done. Good way of thinking, good way you think about things, a positive way in bad.

I remember having negative thoughts in an experience once and it was always like dark fractals.

And then I realized it was trying to show me that these dark fractals, these crazy geometric, these scary patterns that I was saying was because of my own thoughts. And then I released them and it turned into beautiful geometric patterns over and over. And it kept saying like, look at this and look at this. And I was like, oh, it's actually the way you think changes the world around you.

It hasn't effect. It might not have the ultimate effect. It might not be 100% of what happens to you in your life. But it has a meaningful effect. We just can't measure it.

And there's things that are out there. Whatever they are, they have some kind of consciousness that are around us all the time. We just don't have the senses to take them in. Just like when you wave your hand over an earthworm and there's no fucking idea you're doing that. We don't have the senses to understand that there's things around us.

And people have been writing about these things for so long. To discount them all. They're all liars. They're all delusional. They're all crazy.

“I think that people discount on dudes that think in that they were on drugs.”

Well, they probably work. But it doesn't mean the wrong. It doesn't mean it doesn't mean it wrong. You know, like, like, a drunk. A drunk really don't tell a lot of lies.

That's a drunk. A drunk don't tell a lot. Like, it can't be. I'm drunk. I can't remember all that.

I'm just saying where it is. Right. It was then. When you, you know, people, like, LSD, you know, you loosen it, you know, or mushroom. So these things people like what you only saw that because you was on this.

But maybe that's the portal on how you see certain things. I think there's certain things that we block ourselves from being able to see. By our own protective instincts, we protect our thoughts.

“I mean, this is why people I think it paranoid when they smoke weed.”

One of the things that weed does is it dissolves all these artificial barriers that you put between you and the thoughts of real danger.

You realize your vulnerability.

You realize who you are. So just think of how years ago, how we was viewed. I'm marijuana was viewed. It was taught that marijuana is a gateway drug to crack. Right.

I didn't believe that. Like, how does that even correlate. But it's for those who are trying to find an ultimate high. Maybe you just smoke weed. And that's all you ever did, you know.

And you wasn't trying to find another high.

“I think some people try to find another high like now.”

Man, a lot of these young people are on so many different things at the same time. Like, what are you searching for? You know, they poppin' pills, doing coke, drinking, lean, doing everything. All at the same time. Like, what is, and drinking?

Like, what, what are you trying to escape or what are you searching for?

You know, and I just know people who just smoke weed and still smoke joints.

They don't smoke the, I know people who grow their own blood. They're not even trusting what's going on now. Now, they're finding fit and all and all is marijuana. You know, and the pesticides, horrible pesticides. Because what people don't know is that a giant percentage of all the drugs or marijuana,

rather that people are buying in places where it's illegal. They're growing them in national forests in California. And the cartels doing it. And the cartel uses a bunch of pesticides and herbicides that are illegal. Like, real toxic shit.

And they find them doing it all the time. They find these growops in the forest all the time. Because it's a misdemeanor. So, because marijuana is legal in the state of California, growing it is just a misdemeanor. So, you can have a full-scale grow-up in, you know, public land out in the forest.

And these guys find them. They're all the time. A friend of mine found one in a ranch that he works at. He followed these PVC pipes. And he realized that some guy was diverting water into this little area that was on a to-home ranch, which is a big ranch outside of Bakersfield.

But this dude that was on my podcast for his name is John Norris. He wrote a book about it. He was a game warden. And he had a, it turned into a tactical unit. They had to get like dogs, like Belgian mountain walls and shit with bulletproof vests. And they're going in there having shootouts with the cartel.

Because the cartel had set up these marijuana growops in the woods. And it was his job to police that area.

“So, like, okay, I guess that's what we're doing now.”

And then they, it's a crazy story man. It's not like moonshine. It's a, that's why you go moonshine exactly. Exactly. And this thing moonshine moonshine then developed into mass guard.

Exactly. Exactly. They had to outrun the cops. Yeah, that's what NASCAR came about from. It's fun.

It's, I mean, looks it also, it's alcohol-pone. You know, it's all the, the mob. They were all running alcohol. And there's a lot of people that were connected to them. You know, some people believe that JFK's dad was involved in alcohol.

But that's disputed. But the point is, like, a lot of people were making money selling alcohol. And they were all criminals. All of them. And so, what are you doing?

Are you stopping people from getting marijuana? Nope. What you're doing is you're empowering a criminal empire. And you're giving them an immense amount of money. And they're probably going to have to kill a few people because people get in the way.

They're probably going to have to rob a few people because people are competition. There's a little bit of problem over here. We got another guy growing. When we live in, we live in a society where the bad guy is definitely romanticized. Right.

“So how do you stop people from wanting to be the bad guy when it's so romanticized and everything?”

It's romanticized at the point where John Wick is a good guy. Yeah. John Wick is a contract killer. He's a Russian mob. He kills who knows how many fucking people.

And he's the good guy. But you got a problem with the ice man. Right. Right. Yeah.

And he's a male of the terrible person. He's a good poison. John Wick at least looks sexy in that suit. But you cannot wait John Wick sixth come out. I love those.

Well, this is John Wick where we go. He had a reason. They killed his dog and they stole his car. They fucked up. They stole the wrong guy's car and they killed the wrong guy's puppy.

And so you're rooting for him. You're rooting for him to kill all these bad Russian guys. But you don't realize like there has been a contract killer for the Russian mob. For who knows how many dads is he assassinated?

How many fucking people that have families that will never come home to them?

Because of John Wick. And yeah. And sometimes. A lot of times. You know, people don't care.

We don't know. That's weird. Well, we're weird. We're a weird animal. We're weird animal in a constant flux of thoughts.

And we, you know, trying to figure out what's the right way to think of the wrong way to think.

They'll join cults for it.

“They'll join political movements for it.”

They just want to find a way to think that makes them feel better than the way they think right now. You know, with. With. The need to feel better. Outside of yourself.

You know, or. Your family. You know, or being. No great to society. I think that's.

Determined to to this society. Well, I just need to. I personally need to feel better, but I don't want. The community around me to feel better. And in my mind, if everybody around you in the community feels better.

I think it makes for a more harmonious. You know, environment, then me just being the only one. Yeah, but that's because you're a wise person.

The problem is there's a lot of people that aren't wise and there's no one wise around them.

And that's that's the real issue is that there's a extreme lack of like a. A good direction book of how to lead a solid life. And you're not taught at school.

“School you taught to sit down and learn some shit that you don't give a fuck about learning.”

Memorize this. Do good on the test. You got to get a job. What's the job? Well, you got to sit there and do some shit.

You don't want to do it to get some money. And but the rest of your time, you can do whatever you want as long as you keep showing up every morning at the same spot. Okay. And then that sucks. And so what do you want to do?

Well, I want to escape this suck. So what do I need? Cold syrup? Okay, give me something that. What do I need?

Weed? Give me something that. Adderall? Ooh, Adderall makes me like the job. Okay.

I'll take this shit every day. Now, I'll give a fuck. Now, I'm trying to get ahead. You know, I'm moving up the corporate ladder. I don't want to fucking animal bro because I'm on Adderall. You're basically on that.

You're on a well-designed slow drip and fedamine. And you're out there fucking sleeping for hours a day. Get shit done. You know, driving a Jaguar. [laughter]

And this is the problem with societies. People don't have a lot of people out there. They don't really have a purpose. They don't have a real feeling of purpose in that life. You are very fortunate because you've found a thing that you're really good at.

You love to do. And you make a great living doing it. A lot of people don't have a thing.

And they're never taught to pursue a thing or they never saw anybody else do it.

And they realize they could do it too. And then next thing, you know, they're married. And they have kids. And they're in their 30s. And they're in their 40s.

And they feel like shit. I ask you a question. You have a team, correct? Team of people. Team of people.

They're sure, okay. [laughter] What do you think your team is happy doing whatever they do for the team? If I didn't think that, they wouldn't be working. Okay.

So you don't want to be the only one happy on the team. No, that's terrible. And you don't want to also have someone on the team that is one of those people. They just don't have a happy. That's a problem too.

Yeah, that's a problem too. So there's people that you can't fix. So with, like, I produce other people's specials now. And comics that hit me. Amen.

I want you to do this much better. And the hardest thing, 'cause I'm a small company. The hardest thing is when I have to explain to somebody why it's a no. You know, on this particular special. And it's not just my no.

It is for other people's no, because I tell people and I explain this.

“If we're doing a special with you, you have to get the approval of all five of us,”

'cause we all five do different things. And I want everybody who's involved in your special to want to do it. Not they have to do it because it's a part of the company. You know, I want them to want to do it. And I say, I'm not putting you through a process that I'm not putting myself through.

And I'm saying, and I've tested this team with me giving them a special that I knew that wasn't special. And I'm the head. I'm like, I sent it out. And they, we brought it back to the table.

And it was a lot of silence at first. I'm like, so what do we think? What were we thinking?

And they was like, I know. I think this is our own. And I'm just listening to everybody's opinion on it. And they was like, I don't understand the direction. I don't understand what you're going with this.

I just, you know, we don't have to fix a lot of it. And I'm like, and I'm just sitting there listening. And we took the vote.

And it was like, so the, what was your thing?

“And I said, I think it was a note from the beginning.”

I just wanted to make sure that y'all wasn't going to try to fluff me with the, because he's the head, we're going to say yes. And I'm like, good. So anytime we do a project, if that I put it on the table, just like I put anybody else's project on the table.

And you got to get all five people. If you want me to finance, you got to get me. Then you got to get the marketing person that's going to market. Then you got to get the director. You got to get the manager.

You got to get everybody. So they can feel good about pushing your project. I don't want anybody pushing the project that they don't like. This is where it's marked. Yeah. So you make it a democracy.

It's marked. You got all five of us then now we ready. And now I'm going to feel good about somebody coming to me and say, this is going to cost this. Right.

Because I know they're doing it out of a man. This is what's going to cost me going to figure it out. And I'm like, cool. But even when I do a special man, they, it is a lot of,

you don't want to talk about this point. Like, no, it's like we should talk about this point. And it's been some decisions that have been made. That was. It was my call at the end.

But it was somebody else's idea. Like with domino effect.

It would have never been a domino effect.

Two, three or four. If I were to stuck with the name that I started with. The name was 1983. So how what it was going to be. Eight, three, eight, six.

And I've ruggeded on which one. Three, where it be was rugged was the original name was. I'm not handy. And Eric call me was like, no, I listened to it. I watched it so many times.

“I think that we should go with this name.”

He gave me the name. I said on it for a day. And then I called it bang on it. Yeah, you bought it right. Yeah. That's good.

That means you got good people.

And I think that people should put like right now.

I'm on the custom fit tour. Well, I'm, I'm off into August because I'm takes six weeks of vacation. But custom fit is not going to be a special. It's just the tour that I'm doing now. The specials that I'm writing are different than what I just wanted to take this time to just do some material.

I didn't want to have a fee working on the special. But the theme is about people think custom fit is about clothes. It's not about clothes. It's about tailor making the people around you. And saying that can you can be a benefit to can be a benefit to you.

And saying not just having these people around. Because you know, some type of people have a bunch of people around that. Secretly despise them. You know, and secretly despise their success. And that's that's detrimental to anything.

Hater. Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes haters will get really close to you. Stay next to you.

Yeah. It's a problem. I mean, when you're in too, when you produce another people's specials, you're going to get a bunch of people to come to you that you don't want to do their shit. It's just like owning the club, the same issue. The way I bypassed that, I put all the power into Adam.

Adam, he get decides who's there and who's not there. And how the club gets scheduled. And, you know, who passes and who doesn't. And he's really good at it. You know, he's really good at it.

I trust him implicitly. So I don't have to think about it. And I like it. So that when people say, I want to work your club. Like, well, he got to talk to Adam.

I just prefer, I might be the owner, but I just perform there. I don't think about it in terms of, like, how the scheduling is. I often have to check the website to see who's there. I don't know who's there. You know, it might be mine, but I got a guy who does it.

And he does it really well. And so why would I get involved in that? When I, when he's here, not when I had a club in Houston, I couldn't be funny in the club at all. Why not? Because I was actively working the club.

So I'm on stage, and I'm worried about, oh, it's so many other things.

“You know, going on, like, you know, did you just drop a glass on the ground?”

Like, I'm, I don't have enough help. So you got to get the right help. I got very fortunate in that a lot of the people that I took to Austin, they were from the Comedy Store. And they were at work.

The Comedy Store closed because the fucking stupid government of L.A. They wouldn't even allow them to do outside shows. Wouldn't, you couldn't do an outside show in the parking lot of the Comedy Store.

It's so stupid.

“They were closed for like a good solid year and a half.”

They couldn't support paying all these people.

So they had to get rid of them. And I moved here. And it's the same time. It just bought chance. It happened at the same time.

And so they were all out of work. And I said, hey, let's get the band back together again. Let's, let's, do you guys want to move to Austin? So I paid for everybody to come out here. And I paid for them.

I gave them a full salary with everything for like a year and a half. Or so maybe even more. Maybe two years before anybody had to go to work. Because the club wasn't open. So I was like, I want to give you a job.

Like so you could settle in, get used to Austin. You're going to get paid like you're working. But you don't have to work. But I love you. I know you. And you know. Come here.

Very admirable. With the store.

I just performed at the store.

Um, main room for, um, T.E.

“They had a thing before BT was popped in.”

And the, the commonly store has a certain politics to it. That, you know, I like the other one. A little more. You know, all they serve is pop. No, the other comedy store.

Oh, Lahoya. Lahoya is the shit. Which is, that place is the shit. What a club. They just don't have food.

I don't pop on drinks. I don't believe in food and comedy clubs either. Yeah. So, but it's just a different environment. Lahoya is like very nice, beautiful place.

That club is awesome. I love performing there. And with the store in LA is like you get there. And it's very, it seems very, you know, segregated. This is now to, to me.

That's when I, how long ago was this? I just performed, um, last week. Last Wednesday. That's, um, that's side here because it wasn't like that before. It seemed like the main room in the room around the corner and the building.

All these rooms are different spaces. And that's to me. And I made just, it made just be that feel because I'm not there. I'm not there a lot, you know. But when I come, before I came that time,

but the management walked up was very pleasant. What do you mean by different spaces? But obviously, the different rooms would mean. Yeah. It's saying like the main room is different from the room around the corner.

Well, it is different. But what do you mean by feels different? It feels, it feels a little different. Well, I mean, just by it's designed. It's a big show room.

It's, it's brighter. The ceilings are taller. And then you get into the original room, which is just tight and perfect. The original room is like,

that's where you find out what's real. You know, I see a lot of people have rough sets. They're real confident going into that room. That room is a true serum. I like a tight room.

Well, then there's the belly room. The belly room is the ultimate true serum. To try not new jokes in the belly room is the place. Because, you know, only seat 70 people. I can't, you can't bullshit those people.

That's the, that's the, the crimped out of the crimped out of the. Oh, yeah. It's a tight, small belly room. That's what I can. I can't punch a good room.

I can't from small audiences. They're the best. It's the best for finding out of jokes or real. There's nothing like a small crowd looking our club. We have the little boy, the little boy.

We have our rooms are named after the bombs. They dropped on on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. And little boy is only 110 seats. It's super low ceiling. This is when, you know, it's, it's those times in comedy when you knew that.

That's what you actually love to do.

“And I remember I was in San Antonio at this place called Santas.”

He, he literally owned the whole strip. The club, the wash tier, the corner store, everything. The guy named Santa. I didn't know that he owned it. But it was like a rainstorm or something.

He got the show got rained out. And it is literally three people in this room. It's two ladies in this Santa. And I don't know that this is him at the time. And we had to go on to get paid.

The road was like, I'm not paying anybody who don't go on. We're still doing the show. Oh, my, okay. So it is like, this is $100. This is getting paid $100.

And he was like, who, who going up? I don't like, I'm definitely going up. And I'm going up first. Like, I don't, I don't care. I did like an hour and 30 minutes for three people.

And I was like, because I kept looking and like anybody else going over. He was like, no, we good. I'm like, I, in Santa.

I remember he, he finally revealed that he was the owner of the club.

And he was like, well, let me take you to the, but he took him to the back and he gave me like $700. And he was saying for performing.

I had a good time. And it was like three people.

“It was literally to do the advanced on put the show.”

It was like three vans till anybody. So he was like, this is when I knew Ali was different. When he went out three people, he went first. And he's like, I went 30. And he was like, and it didn't look like he was coming down.

I'm like, yo, bro, I'm, I'm here. This is what I do. I don't, and I need that $100. So, so that's definitely some extra motivation. It's crazy that no one else wanted to go up.

They was like, no, and another time I was like, while he, um, has a while to college. And Marcus was performing. And the Mike went out. And it's like, all these people in this, in this auditorium.

The same place, they shot, um, Denzel shot them over to Great Debate. So we in, we in this auditorium and the sound goes out. And they started ribbing Marcus. And I, and I was in the back. I was like, what's going on?

And it's like the sound went out. And I walked out. I was like, what's happening? And I said, hold on Marcus. Let me, let me, let me, let me.

Yeah, it seems like, wait a minute.

“I know Dan Whale, y'all not in here trying to get somebody to probably”

because y'all got us in. We didn't bring this out. So some, got us in fair east side high. Before he broke in clock. And, and so I said, listen, Morgan, Morgan said down in the back.

I was like, yo, this is what we going to do. I'm going to talk, y'all going to have, then I'm going to talk some more. But y'all can't be laughing all along because we're going to sound, so I'm not supposed to use my real voice. And then I'm in, like, 45.

And now look back at Morgan saying, hey, man, you're going to come back up. Morgan's like, no, like, you got it. So it's like, like, I want 20. He's like, yo, I need nuts. I'm like, no, this is what I do.

And I'm going to figure it out. We did a show at the improv once in Hollywood. And the power went out. And they were going to cancel the show. And we were sitting there talking and I said, why don't,

can we light the stage somehow? And they said, yeah, we can get a, um, emergency light attached to like a generator. And we could put a, you know, put the run the wires through the crowd and put a emergency light on the stage.

I go, that's that. We'll do that. And then we'll just do stand up with no mic. And we did the whole show with no mic. It was the opening middle.

And then me, I did a full hour. It was amazing. Everybody had a great fucking time. It felt special. It felt very unusual.

Yeah. You got to see what it's like. Like when you don't have a microphone and you're, you're projecting to the back of the room, change my pacing on things.

But it was great. It was, it felt cool. It felt like you were doing something. And the audience was into it. I go, look, we're going to have fun, right?

Like, fuck it. Who cares?

This is going to be, this is never going to happen again,

probably ever. I've never, I've been doing comedy 30 something years. I've never had that happen where I did a show with no microphone, except that one. So this is the thing.

These are the experiences that, as a, comic going through the trenches, that some comics are never half, right? Because they didn't come up that way. And you have a different set of chops.

And when you come up a certain type of way, I've come up in just joking had to be the craziest place. Because some, some nights, you're coming in. It's like nine people.

But these nine people are into a comedy. And Alice would be like, you gotta do the show. Like, it's not, it's, we don't have a limit. We gotta do these people that's here. Because what, the thing is that whole idea that the show

must go on regardless of the regardless, too. Well, I learned that from Paul Mooney, too. And one of the things that I said, I did a show at the Comedy Store. It's like the first time that Mooney ever complimented me.

And I, I was always scared of him.

Because like Mooney didn't like, he was terrifying. He was a legend. He was a legend wrote for Richard Pryer. And it was like the way he carried himself. He didn't like you.

Like, uh, and I was twice happy. You know, it was young and stupid. And, uh, I, I went up because I would always go up last or late, I had late spots. And, uh, there was like 15 people in the room.

But I did my act. And I heard in the back of the room. Oh, oh, oh, oh. He was laughing, having fun. And then he grabbed me after as he goes,

"You're a real mother fucking comic."

“He goes, "That's what a real comic does."”

He goes, "Oh, these are the motherfuckers. They went up there. And they did all where you from. Bitch, I know where I'm from. Tell me some fucking jokes.

Do your fucking act. And that's what you did." And I was like, "Wow. Palm doony likes me." Who?

Me and Paul had a different type of relationship. [ Laughter ] Did you and Paul not get along?

Um, one, I always say, "I love, I love Paul."

Into I met him. [ Laughter ]

Man, I was at the improv, and I was featuring for him.

“And the improv had gotten me to feature for him.”

And I was like, "Cool, I'm excited. I get to meet one of my idols in this game. One of the people who changed the course of my pacing. Because my lineage just sitting down. I passed through Paul.

So it's when I first started, I was a crazy man. I was all over the place. I thought that you had to have all this energy. And then this guy named Dennis White walked into the club One night, I was there.

And Dennis stood in the same exact place.

All that he never took the mic out the stand.

Put his drink down the stool. And Dennis just stood there. And he was destroying this room. Never took the mic out the stand. And he always said, "My people say, "Dance.

"Why you don't take the mic out this stand." And he's like, "Because there's this stand." And let it all the mic. So my favorite comics don't take the mic out of the stand. Ron White.

Ron White just stands there with a drink on a stool. Sometimes with cigar, just killing. With the microphone in the stand. Oh man. Joey Diaz.

“Joey Diaz keeps the fucking mic in the stand.”

And he makes me laugh harder than any fucking human being that's ever lived. That's all I'm gonna go to, I'm finished part of it. I'm gonna go to Ron. So what did he do though? So I'm in the green room.

And at the old improv, they had a downstairs. You could come through. It used to be a rainforest cap. Right, right.

Yeah, so it was spell bind to their first.

And then it changed. So I'm sitting in the green room. And it's a main part. Then it's a small part. He walked into the small part and said, "Hey, go count the room."

And I'm like, "What?" Yeah, "Go count the room." I'm like, "I don't work here like that. I don't count the room." And he's like, "Yeah."

All right. Then he walked out. And then he came back. Like maybe 25 minutes left. Yeah.

“Till you and your little white friend that just packed out there.”

And I want my bonus. Like what white friend? What are you talking about? Raymond Cook is the manager of the club at the time. He's all about Raymond.

And I was like, "Yo Pa, I don't count the room.

I'm in the future." Why would I be counting the fucking room? Like, and then he says something else negative to me. And I was like, "Yo Pa, if you say something else to me, I'm gonna kick your ass, pal."

[laughter] Like, "What is wrong with you?" So I called DL. I'm like, "Yo, I'm about the fucking beat up pop on it." He's like, "You can't beat up pop on it.

He's a legend." [laughter] Even if you beat him up, you're still not gonna win. He's like, "It's gonna be a lot of stuff." So I'm like, "Yo."

So then another time, "Oh." And then later on that same weekend, he had this lady with him. And she was sitting at the top. And I was sitting up there.

And she got up and she left her purse. So I didn't want to leave and leave the lady's purse there. So I grabbed the strap and I got the purse like this. I came in and I'm like, "Hey, man, you love your person. Paul turned on what are you doing with her purse?"

I said, "She left it." And the only thing in my head is DL, you cannot beat up Paul Monett. So I just walked out and I'm like, "I'm gonna fuck Paul up." What year was this?

This is like three years before he died. And this was the old improv. This is what I heard just for clarity. He was struggling in the last years of his life. So you probably didn't get the best version of Paul Monett.

So then we here, Noston. We performin' at the theater that's right next to the Paramount. It's another theater that's connected to the Paramount. The black heritage or the black art something that book both was not known. That we had art.

So I'm in my green room and the lady comes in. She's very nice. Paul Monett's next door. He was there and he liked to meet him. And I was like, "No, I'm cool."

And then she goes, "Paul, I'll eat his next door." You know, I don't know if you don't want to meet him. And Paul was like, "No, I'm cool." And I went up. And I met my green room.

And the host is on the stage. And Paul was getting ready to go up. And this was his apology. He walked by the room. And came back like on Purple Rain.

Came back a lead in the room to what? High alley. And then... [laughter] I mean, Paul fucking nuts, man.

And... Yeah, but he... That's... you gotta take that.

That's Paul. I mean, I wouldn't have counted the fucking room either. Oh, they've been like, "That's not my job." Yeah. But Ron White...

I was in Orlando. Manage Orlando, call me. Say, "Hey, I lead on." I know you have a... And you have a feature.

But Ron White would like to... You know, feature-feet. And I was like, "I don't... I don't know a... You know, a person they were all white." And she's like, "You don't know Ron White."

I'm like, "Wait a minute." Like, "Ron White, Ron White."

“I think it's like some other guy who's used his name.”

Like, his name happens to be Ron White. Like, "Ron White, Ron White." He's like, "Yeah." I say, "Well, he want a feature for who?" He's like, "You."

He called an ass. I was like, "Oh, fuck." I was like, "Hey, yeah." So I called Marcus. I'm like, "Yo, Marcus."

You're gonna go up. And then you're gonna pick up Ron White. When was this? This was like, maybe four years ago. That's crazy.

And Ron shows up. And this huge tour bus. (laughs) Like, I'm walking to the club. And I'm like, "Who bus is this?"

And I'm like, "Oh, shit. It's Ron's, but the killer brand on it." And he's in his bus. He's not even in the green room. Then he, then I get knock on the door.

And his manager, he's like, "Hey, Ron, I don't know. Can he come in the green room?" I was like, "Yes, I can come in the green room." So it comes in.

He's like, "Yo, man. I just want to love what you do. I just want to do some time." And Ron went up there. And was destroying this room.

And I can wait to get up.

“Because I wanted to just talk about the fuck around.”

Why he just beat it for me. (laughs) I'm the destroyer's room around. He said I'd watch. He was like, "You're fucking amazing."

And like, "And my mind is, I'm still an audit. Ron White wanted to fucking work with you." I was like, "That was crazy." That's so cool.

Well, you know, when he's working on new stuff, that's what he likes to do. He likes to go around and does a lot of sets. He's constantly active. He's at the club tonight.

We're working tonight. He's one of the main reasons I moved here. Ron moved here before the pandemic. So I called him up in 2018. I loved having him at the store.

So he started coming to the store around 2000 like 14-ish. Something like that. Oh my God, we had so much fun for years and years. And he had a beautiful place up in Beverly Hills. And then he just got sick.

Because he's always traveling.

He's got sick of the long flights and the traffic. And I called him up. I go, "Why do you move to Texas?" He goes, "Austin's amazing. The food's fucking great.

Everyone's nice. It's in the middle of the country. If I want to fly to Florida, it's quick. If I want to fly to." Oh my God, damn it.

Can I live in Texas? And then the shit at the fan with COVID. And I was like, "I got to get the fuck out of California. This place sucks. They're telling me what to do.

There's not one I signed up for. You tell me I can work. You tell me I have to wear a mask. Fuck you. I'm getting out of here."

And when I came to Austin, I was like one of the main reasons why I was willing to move here. I'm like, "If we never do comedy again, at least I can hang out with Ron." That's amazing.

Yeah. And then everybody else came. And then once, I mean, everybody says that I got everybody to move here. I got a lot of people to move here, but Ron got me to move here.

That's the most important thing.

Like Ron got me to move here. And then I realized how nice people are here. And how disconnected they are from show business. And I was like, "Ah, this is so refreshing. Everyone's just normal.

My neighbors are normal. Everyone's normal. They're regular people. Just people living their lives. Having a good time.

You know, it's like, and for me, you know, because I love hunting. This is everyone hunts out here. Yeah. It's like a normal past time.

I tell people I bow hunting California. Oh, Texas. Texas. We have been a gym for a long time. And we just let, we let other people feel like they,

the upper-assional, we play them, okay? Texas ruled forever. I mean, you go think, "Kinnison and Hicks "to the greatest of all time came out of Houston." Yep.

And when I was coming here all the time, I knew it, right? So one of the things that was good about doing comedy is a lot of people that moved during the pandemic just wanted to get out of California.

But they had no idea what the rest of the world was going to be like.

They never been in Nashville.

They never, they never been to Austin. I've been here a couple dozen times. I knew I loved it. So I was like, "Look, this will be all right. Like, I'll be fine."

Like, it looks like I'm never doing comedy again. I was like, "Well, it looks like comedy's done." It looks like they're going to fucking make us just stay indoors, especially in like blue cities. Like, this is crazy.

“You have to have a vax card to eat at a restaurant in New York City.”

Like, this is fucking bananas. None of this shit makes any sense. I remember you guys came. Mothership was coming. The next thing I know Creek and the Cave was here.

Creek and the Cave was here first. Yeah.

I'm saying how I heard about it.

“Like, Creek and the Cave come like that.”

Creek and the Cave is coming from New York. And then, Mothership is here. But they had rooms. You know, the main thing was, was the room that was so hard to get in there first.

It was the Austin comedy club. Damn. I forget the name of it. Velveter room? No.

No, it's the actual comedy club. Cap City? Cap City. Yes. Cap City.

That place was always packed.

Yeah. You know, I almost bought that place. Yeah, I heard that. Yeah. I almost bought that whole mall.

But the guy, I was trying to sell it to me. I wanted way more than it was worth. And then he got roped up in some FBI investigation. I was told, while it was going on and he was being investigated. And I was like, oh, okay.

And then he wanted to get arrested. But that building was for sale. The whole thing was for sale. And I went in there. I thought about how many shows I'd been there.

How many shows I'd seen there? How many shows I'd performed there? Over there. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

Cap City was the first place that I did on the road with D.A.L. That was a great club. You know, fucking great club, perfect club. That place was amazing. Such a fun place to work.

“I think that people don't didn't realize how the rich history of”

Hughes and Dallas, Austin.

Lafstar. San Antonio. Lafstar. In Houston. In River Oaks.

One of the greatest clubs of all time. Yeah. Somebody told me that that building still exists like that. That it still set up like that. There's nothing in it.

Is that true? Yeah, nothing in it, though. But it's still the same room. Yep. Man, we might have to do a mother ship used in.

Yeah. That's, uh. Yeah. We'll see. If there's another city that could support, like a large group of talented up-and-comers,

Houston's one of them. Yeah. So, you know, we have Seeker Group. There. We have.

Dad, the other Cap City that was upstairs.

Remember they opened up the second one?

They closed that one. The lab. Until my lab. No. I'm sorry.

The lab. That was the lab spot. Oh, they checked. No, no, they had that already. The last spot had went upstairs.

They were on wall. They were. I thought there was a, the, the, the, the last stop. Yeah. I thought it was the same group that, no, it was the same group that owned the

left stop in River Oaks. The left spot was another place. I knew that because when I was working at the left stop, Ralphie May was working at the left spot. We, we got together.

We're hanging out. He'd dinner. But that was, that was, that was the old spot. Then there was the other left stop that they put upstairs. It was a new, but it didn't last.

It was only for a couple years. Yeah, I didn't go there. I didn't go there. It was a good spot. Yeah.

Then it went under. Yeah. Yeah. I already figured did it with a Hitler mustache once. Yeah.

He trimmed his mustache to look like it off Hitler. Alright, Ari is, Ari is by far the craziest person that I know. I thought my uncle Mac was the craziest person. And then I'm like, Ari, I'm like, this is the craziest person that I know. Yeah, he's awesome.

Yeah, and he just moved to England. I'm like, brother, gonna stab you. He moved to England. They will fucking stab you. They stab people there.

Don't get stabbed. Ari is nuts, but he's such a cool dude. He's fucking nuts. I want to go see him at the creek in the cave when he was getting ready to film his special. And I like, Ari is so crazy.

If you just, if people took time, just go through the, the many looks of Ari. Yeah. The one that killed me was the half. Yeah. He was just bald on one side.

Yeah. He's insane. He did do face for Batman. Yeah, he's out of his mind. But, but that's really who he is.

You know, he's not trying. Yeah, he's not trying. He's not trying. He's out of his mind. Yeah.

Please, man. Yeah. When he told a bird, what I heard about him there in a bird's check. He was like 25,000. He's like, you know, he just made to him like that.

I told a checkup. Like, it ain't right. You're another one. I'm like, you insane. I'm like, he's, he's, he's the greatest person.

But he's fun. I've had some great conversations on the phone. And then he's just, and I was very fucking smart dude. I was very smarter when he called me to do the, um, his last, the endless, you know. I was like, that's cool.

“I think of that, that's where I, that's the pivoting point or major point of my career when”

I did, um, this is not happening. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was a great show, man.

I remember when he started doing it.

“You started doing it at the lab at the improv.”

So, do you remember the lab? Yeah. Another little room. Cool. Cool.

Cool little room. Um, they shouldn't have got rid of that room. They've, they've changed that place and they've fucked it up. In my opinion, that's the room. The, the main room, still awesome, but the lab used to be in the back.

And it was like, there wasn't a big bar there. I think it's still there. It's different. Yeah. Yeah.

They have coal. I would laugh on that. They're beyond coal. Yeah. But it's different.

It's not, it's not the same setup. It used to be. You went through a door and it was like another small room. And in that small room, it was separated from the front door. They moved the front door.

“And now everybody went in through the parking lot, right?”

And so they went into the lab through the parking lot. So the front door was back there that now. And when you would open it, it was all this noise from the street. And they had a curtain to block off the noise and you'd hear people. They were like, right next to your stage where they're buying tickets.

It was annoying. And then there was the bar, which is right there. It's still a cool little small room once everybody settles in. But the original setup was way better. And Ari started doing it there.

And I was like, what are you doing? And he's like, I'm going to do a storyteller show. I was like, well, the fuck is that? That's what I thought. I was like, why are you doing that?

And then he said, well, it really helps you without having to have, like, punch lines and setups and have everything really tight. You could find the beats in a store. And it was like, oh, well, actually, that's brilliant. That's pretty fucking smart.

It's a good alternative sort of way to develop bits. You know, you develop bits by working it out, but into a more loose format of telling a story. And I didn't even know that that was the premise behind it. Because when I got it,

it was like, it's going to tell a true story. And I was like, okay, cool, that's my thing. And I had just won comedy Central's comic to watch in 2013. So you get a package, you get an hour, you get a half hour. And you get a chance to go on one of the shows.

It's already on comedy Central. So they was pitching me the atom divine show. And I was like, I don't like it. And it was another show. I was like, no, I'm cool.

So every show that they would say that they won't be gone. I was like, no, it's really my thing. So then it changed the Russo. Young comic, call me and say, listen, you might want to go on. This is not happening.

I was like, what's that? He said, it's a show start on the internet. You know, you, I went on it.

“I watched both, I think both seasons of it on the internet.”

And I was like, yo, this is the, this is the one. So I called and Harris that kind of said, this is the show that I want to do. And art in know me. Art is like, I don't know.

But Eric Abrams is one of the co-creators of the show. He's like, I know him. So he pretty good. You should bring him home. And Ari was already telling anybody.

He's like, I didn't know what he was going to do. But I know it was a true. All you had to do is tell a true story. And I was like, perfect. Eric thought that I was going to do the story that I did

on the second time that I was all.

But I, and I was like, when I got there, I was listening to people stories. And I was like, no, I'm going to do a lighter story. Because the second story is Mitchell. It's like, when I was going to kill the CEO.

And I was like, no, I should do a lighter one. And then I did the prison ride, which is affectionately known. This mixing got own boots. And Ari's like, best fucking story I've heard. And like, me telling the story about a ride, a prison ride.

[LAUGHTER] And I was telling what happened. And I only did like 16 minutes of what happened. That was a whole, that was a whole ordeal. Like it wasn't a 16 minute ride.

It was like nine hours. Like the whole thing is like nine hours. I only told the beginning part of it, which was, you know, pretty cool. You know what happened? I already lost the show, right?

Yeah. Yeah. And so that, so when the show came back, his little boy was, they called me to do it.

And the loyal spirit in me, I called Ari first.

I was like, hey, they want me to do this show. I'm really not fucking with it. And he's like, no, no. Do it. I was like, what?

It's like, I heard about all the stuff. He's like, man, do it. Eric, Eric is still shooting it. He was saying, so you should do it. Because we wanted you to be the host.

But they didn't want you to do it. You know, they got Roy, which is cool. I don't think they wanted anybody affiliated with Ari to do it. Yeah. So we're punishing Ari.

We still tell people why.

“So for people who don't know, they Ari got a deal.”

He got an offer to do Netflix special. And he wanted to do it. And they wanted him to do this special on Comedy Central. And he said, well, I don't have to. It's not in my contract.

They said, well, if you don't do it, we're going to cancel your show. And he was like, wow. I can't believe you do that. And then what you do, Ari? Nope.

So we were trying to figure it out. I offered the host it for free. I said, I will come in and host it. I'd already done it. So I'll come in and host it for no money.

I go, because he wanted to make sure that everybody was paid. He was going to take out a loan. And Ari was going to pay all the grips, all the camera people. Because they, you know, these people, they charred out their year. They're like, oh, I'm doing this.

This is not happening for the next six weeks. And then I'm doing this for five weeks. And that's their year. And that's how they budget their life. And Ari decided that he was going to take out a loan to pay everybody.

So that, and I'm like, wow, I go this in man. It go tell Comedy Central that I'll host it for free. They weren't interested. They weren't interested in anybody affiliated with him. He tried to, he offered up a bunch of other comics.

Yep. They weren't interested. So I was in that group of the, the books I know of as you. It was Joey, me, Bert, and they just got me to do it. Once Ari told me it was cool, he was like, man, do it.

Yeah, Ari would never try to stop anybody from working. So what I, what I went on in, indeed, in my protest of, you know, you didn't want Ari. So what I did was tell the story about Ari. [ Laughter ] I just told him, like, okay, go with it.

Like, my story is mushroom story, which is an Ari.

She was always, I was, you know, second season I did this show.

Ari gave me mushrooms. [ Laughter ] And I went to the whole thing of what happened with Ari gave me the mushroom. I ate the mushrooms. I didn't know if they were mushrooms mushrooms.

I thought they were something else. And it was like, I ate the eighth of mushrooms. And it was a long day. [ Laughter ] It was a lot of things to not tell you to not eat all of them.

“And I remember Janice, Janice was my assistant.”

And I remember, I had to fly the next day. And I'm still, I'm still going, I'm out of my shit. So I get to the airport and I call Janice, I say, Janice. People are going through this machine. And then I'm not seeing them anymore.

[ Laughter ] And it was like, he's not, he's gone. Like, Janice, they probably go into various places. And I was like, well, I don't want to go to various. I want to go to Houston.

[ Laughter ] So then when I get up to the Tuesday, it's like, eight, I said, hey, I'm seeing a lot of people go through this machine. And then I'm not seeing them anymore. We're going to the man sitting in various places.

And I got out the line. I called Janice, you are right. They are going to various. [ Laughter ] Then it's like, he's nuts.

He's losing it. I'm like, oh, I was so toasted. And just getting on the plane with still full of mushrooms. It was -- I just -- I wanted to just close my eyes. But she just wasn't working.

It was like, I was out of it.

I never -- it's -- mushrooms is a crazy thing.

It's a crazy thing. And that same week, I was there for a couple days. Joy-D has gave me a black star. [ Laughter ]

“And I remember calling somebody, he was like, yo, don't you eat that shit?”

[ Laughter ] He said, if you want to lose it, don't you? This episode -- or I'm going to enjoy it. This is back when I was smoking. I took an edible with the on the flying Jew and me and him.

It's like, you literally see us. I was fine at first. And then you -- Joy is the only person that's in this studio that's still together. And you just slowly see us just melting.

We both did. And then I know -- I was speaking very good English at one point that I was the news like, yeah. It's always -- it's always -- it's always like, no. I understand.

[ Laughter ] I don't understand. The church of what's happening now had some of the greatest overdose on weed moments ever in the history of the internet.

Just lead. Just seeing Lee sigh out, just melting. Because he can't keep his eyes open. He's just melting his chair.

It's like -- and first I was like, yo, he's tripping.

And I was like, this is not happening to me. It was crazy. Joy ideas. It doesn't give a fuck. And then there's --

I want to see the devil. The other side of the story is another comic with me, Billy Serales.

but he ain't on the show.

So he's outside. He didn't just melt it outside. [ Laughter ]

“Like, he just sitting on the ground outside”

and doing it like, yo. Those black stars are 500 milligrams. Yo. I -- that -- Yeah.

Yeah. Joy's how Joey -- two of those ones. [ Laughter ] Just chucked down two of them. I'm like, that is so crazy.

That's so much. You know, Jamie doesn't feel it. Edibles don't work on him. All right? Jamie's got some weird fucking biological condition.

Throw that, man. I'll try it. Yeah. I'm not afraid. He doesn't -- doesn't give a fuck.

He's not scared of Edibles at all. I've done two different types. Mushrooms. I didn't know that they were. It's like the ones I was really on one.

That's the one. It's our game. And then there's some other ones that made me very talkative. Right? Look at me.

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[ Laughs ] [ Laughs ] Drew will on his start. He's not a dimension right now. [ Laughs ]

Oh. [ Laughs ] He can't keep the headphones on. He's going to do. [ Laughs ]

Joey's the best. [ Laughs ] They're doing it again. They're back. They're back together again.

Yeah, man. They're doing it out of New Jersey. Is that what they're doing? Yeah. Yeah.

He's the best. Yeah. I remember my car, Moses Malone.

“Oh, Joey, because he's the big Moses Malone fan.”

It's just for Malone to die, I call it. [ Laughs ] He's like, "You know, Moses Malone. No fucking way, you know, I was like, "Yeah, no fucking Moses." Moses, Moses was nuts too.

Like, Moses Malone was like a nut. Have you heard about these new mushrooms that make you see the little tiny people? I don't know. No, I haven't.

The talkative ones were like, "I call it a lot of people on my phone." And everybody's saying report was, "You know, you call me like three and a month or more. You want to talk to me about my life?"

[ Laughs ] And which ones are those? What did you take? It's not So Simon, it's something different. Yeah, it's something different.

Yeah, it may be very talkative. Delay. I told Delay about him. But they'll be. Yeah, it's a common day in Delay.

I told him about him because he, I called him. And I talked, you know, for like hours. Just about. So then he ended up taking the same mushrooms. He called me.

And I knew what it was. He was like, "Go ahead, just talk." [ Laughs ] He was talking his ass all night. I put the phone out of it with the sneak.

I woke up. He was still talking. I'm like, "Yo, this is crazy." What is it? Man, I got it. Jimmy, put that into the complexity.

I got a call. Put that into our AI sponsor and find out what mushrooms make you talkative. Yeah, I know who gave him to me. So I call her and ask, "Hey, what is insurance

that you gave me?" Because she went in bottom and like, I was a fucking talkative mess. I don't know what that is.

I've never heard of that before.

Most of the time when people take shrooms, they can't talk. He was like, "Uh-huh, no, I was all alone." I was all alone. That's crazy. What the one is?

Because the ones that are a gave me. It just says it's magic mushrooms, just in general. Ha! Some people's response to it. Yeah, but it seems that there's different responses to different ones.

I know I'm saying on the screen. Says, "Well, I just said, "Huh, I don't do this enough research. "Proplexed to have a educated answer." Right? How much research are they doing out there?

Talkative social on magic mushrooms. But there's no specific mushroom reliably proven to make you talkative. All right. Ask if there's a mushroom that makes you see little people.

Yeah, that's different. I know. I know, but I want to see what Proletka. Proplexed. I have to say about it.

What does Proplexi say?

“Ask it about, is there a mushroom that makes you see little people?”

Let's see if it really is up on its psychedelic science. [laughter] [inaudible] I want to see what it says, though. That's just a question to see how it handles this.

Yes. A specific edible mushroom called land moa. Asciateca has been reported to cause very vivid hallucinations. You say hallucinations. Maybe they're really little people right there.

Of little people, when it's undercooked, a phenomenon known as lilylapusion hallucinations. Spirithing is, "How do you know it's a hallucination?" Maybe you're just now can see these things that people have been writing about for Eons. How ignorant are people?

And how arrogant are we? That we know everything that's going on all around us all the time. We don't.

People have always thought gremlins are real and nooms were real.

It's fairies studying that since the '60s. Of course they have been. I'm studying it right now. [laughter] What's study?

Let's go study mushrooms. Man. Yeah, they've been studying it. But the real problem is there's got to be a bunch of...

who is a mushroom guy.

He's like deep in the world of mushrooms.

And he was explaining to me that there's one that's like ten extra longer. And there's one that there's new ones that they found. I think they found a new one. I want to say in China, they found a new hallucinogenic mushroom. But this one, this little opulsion one, is weird.

Because it's not psilocybin. So it's cooked, this has something to do with crying it. Yeah, yeah. It's my opposite and moral.

“No, I think this might be the Chinese one.”

Because I think it's a, is it? Yeah, okay. So this is a, I could conflate the Chinese. So they eat it. If you cook it and you do a real good job cooking it, you don't trip.

But apparently some people have not cooked it and eaten it and go, oh, wait a minute, what are we cooking out of this? When you're, you might be cooking out whatever the mushroom is giving you to let you see the spirit world or see the fairy world or the no more older. Whatever it is.

With the restaurant, you can get it in restaurants. Let's go. I'd be like, hey, hey, hey, hey. Undercooked mine.

Just put it on some solid dressing.

Said they shut it out. Let's go. I don't have, I'm fortunate. I don't have a problem with mushrooms. I think that.

And I just like be fortunately. What do you mean? Because you know, some people would like, you shouldn't be on it. But I don't have a problem with mushrooms. Especially if I'm in a safe environment.

But being at the lows on mushrooms. That's not the best place to be. Like, also trying to fight it. If you fight it, you're fucked. If you start going, then you start.

No, I don't like this. Look. Oh. Is it going to get dark on you?

“It's going to, like, I try to wrestle with it.”

I've had them in chocolate. Like a little chocolate squares. And it's been a time. It's been a time. I don't.

It's been a time.

But sometimes it can get rough.

To see little people, I definitely want to be somewhere. What? I don't, I just need to be somewhere safe. Brian Simpson has a little story about he, someone gave him a mushroom, a chocolate bar. And he put it in his freezer and forgot.

Forgot that it was a mushroom bar. And then just ate the whole thing. And just went to Pluto. He's like, talk to Manhattan sitting on Mars and fucking lotus position. This one's kind of strange.

It says, doesn't matter who you are or what you do. You're going to have the same experiences everybody else has done it. Okay. At that point in time, when do we start to say, maybe there's something in this substance, this compound, this molecule that lets you interact with something that's real.

That's around you. If it's repeatable, over and over again, all these people see the same thing, over and over and over again. And people have been writing about it since the beginning of time. They've been writing about elves and fairies and nooms and magic people in the woods.

What do they think they were doing?

“They're probably eating these fucking mushrooms.”

So this is show that I watch that I still don't know what this show is about. But I watch almost season number four. And I have no idea what it's called for them. I've been watching it. I love that show.

I'm in the middle of season four right now. And so, you know, he's taking mushroom. The one guy did. Yeah. Well, you spoiler alert.

No, but you know spoiler alert. But you know all right. Big spoiler. I know, but the people that listen don't know. Hey, the people that listen don't know.

Yeah, don't. Don't fuck this up. It's good. It's not empty. It's not empty.

What are you doing? One of the new shows that's been talked about getting moved. No, no, no. That's still on Paramount. Yeah.

I think it's MGM. I think it's MGM. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Great fucking show. Yeah. Very original. I still. People are almost officially on Netflix.

There it is. I don't know. Oh, wait a minute. Hold on. Maybe it's on Netflix as well.

Yeah. That's all I was saying. Oh, that's what it is. It came on. Oh, you're on Epix.

But you watched all these things. Good show. But you have no idea what. There's no rules. It's the, and, and so I, I, I call my, um, director.

I say, hey, I want to make a show that is about whatever we do in. And he's like, we'll give me an example. I say, watch from. Like, I've watched all of us. I can not tell you what this show is about.

It's like, I don't know the people that do it. For people that don't know that want to watch it. It's, there's people that trapped in this town. They're all the same circumstance. There's a down tree in the road that can't go further.

So they back, they turn around and they find themselves in a loop that keeps leading them through the same town. Over and over and over and over again. And no one in the town can escape. And at night time, monsters come out. And they look like people.

They look like a male man. Yeah. They look very normal. They're scary ass milk man. Oh, like that milk man is insane.

Oh, it knocks the window. Oh, they're fine. It's terrifying show. It's, it gives me anxiety and I know it's all fake. It's, it's like, it's a crazy show.

Yeah. And season four is even more bizarre. Yeah. Like, everything that I'd be thinking, I was like, I think this is what it is.

And then it doesn't, it doesn't be that. But then it comes in, it's like, see? And like, but I'm like, see what? Like what, what am I like? I don't know the trick this show is going.

They don't know, nobody knows where it's going. But it's like lost. The same people that made lost made that show. Word. Yeah.

“That's why it has that same sort of feel.”

And like crazy doesn't, you can't predict what's going to happen. And nothing makes sense. And very entertaining. Lloyd tickles this shit. I'll be, Lloyd is mad about it.

Every got. But it's so, it's a crazy. It's crazy. But it's very interesting. Like, I, I don't miss it.

I love it. Yeah. I've been, um, binging it. So I started, like, I guess me and my wife started about. Montego or so.

And we burned through the first three seasons.

And now we're into the fourth. Yep. Yeah. It's good. And I think the next seasons coming out in 2020, seven.

But I don't only, how they, I think the next seasons, the last season. Unless they decide to keep it going. Finale. It's the finale. So they just announced that it's going to be the last season.

Maybe maybe when I'm money comes wrong. But the thing about this kind of show is you could do whatever you want. Yeah. You go back in time. You could do wild shit.

Like, I don't want to give anything away. But there's no rules. There's, you can make anything happen. You can make anything. It's a very strange show.

But it's very entertaining. It's, oh, man. It's a very entertaining show. Yeah.

“But if you want to just sit at home and watch it and not do anything.”

Man, you never picked a better time to be alive.

You can waste your whole life just staring at a screen. And like, when I ask people, because my palette for what I take in is different than a lot of people. And I turn people on to a show. Like, when I turn my boy on the pinky blinders, I was like, Pinky blinders is a great show.

You got to watch Pinky blinders. He called me. It was like, yo, this is crazy. And I remember my boy, he, like, I saw him vested. And, um, was the first show, the motorcycle show.

That I turned him on to. Um, I know what you're talking about. I never watched it. What is that show? That motorcycle show they're really liked.

You don't talk about Shannon? That's it. Sounds man. Okay. I turned him on to something.

And, okay. And it's a person on that that you kind of get invested in. And I remember he called me and said something about him. And I was like, yo, who? Like, who?

What? What you say? And I'm putting all my shoes. And then I noticed, are you talking about the person on the on something? And he said, yeah, that's fucked up what they did.

I was like, yo, you're crazy. Man, he's like, no, I'm so invested. And like, I was like, yo, man, you are a wild person. But, you know, sons of anarchy, Pinky blinders. Like, I was big on Yellowstone.

And now the two spin outs of Yellowstone marshals. And the Dutton Ranch. I can't not watch it. Like, it's some good shows out there. And I just can't watch the typical stuff.

I got to watch something that had a little more to it than what normal people would watch. Because I like to see normal people in shows. Like something I can relate to. The Dutton Ranch. And being Texas, I don't know how ranching is.

This is how I always experienced how ranching goes with cows.

And how you keep your land and how these different fights that people have over land. And I'm like, shit, it's pretty interesting. It's very interesting. Taylor Sheridan's a friend of mine. Got made that.

He's on here the other day. I'm talking about it, but the other show that I love is land man. Same kind of deal. It's all about the oil industry. You just realize, like, oh, Jesus.

Is this how all this works? Yeah, it's other things happening in life. And it's way more notorious people than a drug dealing show. This is, man, crude oil is a business. So it's such a big business.

Of course you're going to get deviated. Go on. You're going to get shit happening. It has to. Yeah.

The real world of oil must be nuts. It must be nuts.

“I mean, that's why we're in war right now.”

You have to be ruthless, you know, with oil. Like that's a big thing. And I don't understand fake meat. Like why would people be given to my fake meat?

That's why. I mean, that's, that's, but a lot of people were trying to push while they're saying that cows are bad. Cows the methane, the environment, and it's bullshit. But while all they're doing is trying to, someone is pushing this idea that we need to stop eating meat. Because they're profiting off of us, not eating meat.

That's what it is. It's all it is. It's not bad for you. It's good for you. You need it.

Protein. It's super healthy. And one of the best foods in the world for you. This is just a bunch of horseshit out there saying that we need to eat less meat for the environment. No, we need to figure out how to not pollute.

That's for sure. But regenerative farms aren't polluting your full shit. It's not true.

“You know, if you want to say we need to stop doing factory farming.”

Okay, maybe. Yeah, that's probably a good thing to do. But you need to figure out how to feed all these fucking people. You've developed a system that's entirely reliant on massive amounts of animals moving through. The amount of chickens that people eat in America every day is crazy.

Yeah. What do the amount of chickens that can consume in America every day? Let's guess. 20 million. At least at least.

Almost a 50 million.

50 million chickens a day.

How many chickens a day get killed? Well, that's the question. Okay. How many do we eat? How many millions of chickens do we eat every day in America?

I don't know. I can account for three in my house. 22 million. 22 million chickens every day, son. That's nuts.

That is a crazy amount.

“That's way bigger than the entire residence of Los Angeles.”

If every person was a chicken, every we eat that amount in this country every day. That's crazy. In my home alone. If we roast and chicken. If we're going to get a roast chicken, we're going to get three of them.

Because it's going to. I don't even know that I can eat a whole chicken by myself until I did it. Yeah, that is this Muslim grocery store. They sell them in an already roasted and you get two garlic sauces with each chicken. And once you dip a piece of that chicken in that garlic sauce, it's not going to survive.

It's like I bought three of them. Because I know if two are going to make it home, I have to eat this one by myself. And then put on a piece of peanut bread. It's already roasted and it's insane that I would eat a whole chicken by myself. Estimates suggest 24 or 26 million chickens are killed every day in the United States for me.

So if you don't want factory farming, you've got to figure out a solution where you can get 26 million chickens a day. Or you convince people they need to stop eating meat. But if we look at like, say if I'm looking at a show game with animals or house dragons. When I would see them sit down to eat, it was a lot of meat on that table. Very, very Asians of meat.

So I've never seen the king sit down.

“It wasn't a whole entire pig on the table.”

And then if you, most people haven't bought a lamb. And you think that a lamb is enough. It depends on what you own who's there. If you, if we, if it's it and it's after the fast and you put a lamb on the spue. And all these Muslim families come here.

That's, that's not enough. You need another lamb. You need two lamb. Like a whole lamb. It's like, man, it's, me this delicious.

It's great for you too. Don't let anybody tell you anything. Oh, and they can't, but I'm not really listening. Like when somebody tell me about a vegan situation. I, I'll listen to you.

But none of it is going. It's like, you know, I say something comes in one end. Go out the other. It's not even going into here. It's like, I'm already made my decision.

Like, okay, I'll be, but I'm not really listening to you. I'm eating the lamb. Go. Or I mean it. Life eats life.

It's just, the fact reforming thing is the uncomfortable part. That's the gross part. And if you just were on a ranch, it's natural. That's natural. It's natural.

You want to get overtaken. Just let the animals just do the thing. Chocolate. And see how many, see, see don't you see? I am, I am legend taught you that.

Like, you know, I'm an analyst ran through a, a play with a stampede. Like, it's a, so even like with, with the thing that happens in the ocean. Sardines, right? So the mass, all these mass sardines come once by then up.

Then the whales come first.

Then the sharks come. And then then we still get sardines.

We still get sardines.

It's, you're not running out of natural.

If you let everything do it, do it's thing. You know, you do you know how many jellyfish? It is somebody should start eating them. Because that is a crazy. Jellyfish can mob out.

Like, mob out. And they can kill you. Yeah. Somebody eat them. Something eats them.

You can eat them at Chinese restaurants. I've had jellyfish before. Was it good? I don't remember it being good. I don't remember where I ate it.

“But I remember someone cooked a specific type of jellyfish.”

No, I was like, okay. So I didn't even know you could cook that. And Texas and look at the jellyfish are edible. Find it out. And Texas and Louisiana.

The amount of crawfish that we eat in two months is literally insane.

Imagine we crawfish would be--

You could imagine. I know I'm going to count for at least 50 pounds by myself. Like, I know-- Look at how many crawfish there would be if people weren't eating them. Like, when I was a kid, I grew up in Florida for a while.

We lived in Florida in Gainesville. And there was algae there. But they were protected. Back then, the algae just were protected. Like, they have a glaze.

Well, it wasn't the Everglades here. Okay, hold on, edible jellyfish. Best known edible species in using Asian cuisine. Oh, boy. Try to say that word.

Robelema escalentum. Often referred to as the Japanese edible jellyfish. That's a lot of easier. That's not the thing. Or flame jellyfish.

Yeah. So there's a few different species of jellyfish.

Anyway, my point was when I was a kid,

Alligators were protected. And they were at this lake. And you can see them. If people throw marshmallows in the water, the algae is with Edom. And then now, there's too many.

Like, there's so many oligators there now. Like, they can't get rid of them. They're in everybody of water. Everywhere you go, there's oligators. Yeah.

The entire Everglades filled with oligators. Golf course is filled with oligators.

“I remember when they, when they don't, they can't get eaten.”

That, oh, Disney World. And I was like, you know, that's insanity. Because I don't trust the puddle of water in Florida. No. I, I, I puddle.

It could be a puddle. I'm like, is the alligator. It's like, the, what they, what they removed. 400 some odd out of games from Disney World. Oh, they've removed them all the time.

They have to check every day. Like, they go back there and make sure that there's no oligators. Just like a huge number of the day. It's a huge number. Yeah.

Like, maybe 20, 40 years, 20, 40 or something this year. But it's 400 is something of a wall like that's insane. You know, Disney World has a bass fishing lake. You can go bass fishing at Disney World. There's like a little trip that you take.

You go there. 414 alligators removed from Disney World since toddler's death 10 years ago. Oh, that's a lot of monsters. It's a lot of monsters, man. They're legit monsters.

I remember when I was in Guam. I was in Guam doing a show. And I think the military moved there. And it was a bird that they was trying to protect. And so they killed all these snakes.

And this is how when you change the ecosystem to something something happens. So the snakes, not only would they eat net bird, but they were eating and controlling the towed population. So when they got rid of the snake, we would come back from the show.

And it's like it's literally hundreds of thousands of frogs that come out at night. They everywhere. It's like you, they, you just see a flat in the street where you could. You can't not.

You can't miss them. It was hundreds of thousands of frogs on Guam. And I was like, yo, man. People fuck up everything. They got to do something.

People metal. Yeah, they're going to bring the snake back. Yeah, kind of bring the snake. Stop. Stop.

Bullshit. People just metal. I mean, there's so many countries that are infested with animals. The people brought in to kill other animals. You know, like Australia is a giant feral cat problem.

They brought in feral cats. I think to kill it.

“I forget what species I think was a towed that we're trying to kill off.”

My neighborhood has a goddamn cat problem. My neighborhood is like, one cat hasn't babies. And my family has something to do with it. We fed the cat, the names. Of course.

Yeah. First. You want to be nice. Meanwhile, they're killing billions of birds every year in this country. Okay.

So I love cats. I love cats too. But they kill billions of house cats. Kill billions of birds and mammals in this country every year. If you, you don't have a bug problem.

You have a cat in your house. Because if we, you know, we had these water bugs. They gone cockroaches. But I've watched it before I left.

He was just slapping one around. It's like five of them dead out there. He's just slapping one around. Like just toying with him.

“But I don't mind because then they never make it into my house.”

It's like cats are. What is this? What they do? Explain to you in this little form. Under Mao, AMD exterminating rats, flies, mosquitoes, and sparrows as a part of the great leap forward.

It was framed as a public hygiene and agricultural protection drive meant to reduce disease and protect grain from being eaten or contaminated. Mass mobilization methods included trapping and poisoning rats, swatting flies, mosquitoes, and organized efforts to scare and kill sparrows. Because like that, it's, before you get to the end here, they had one little problem.

So they introduced something else to fix that problem. That created a new problem. So they introduced something else to fix that problem. Yeah. And they created here with tens of millions of people dying from a famine because they didn't have the natural ecosystem.

This is great. So sparrows were targeted because they ate grain seeds. But they also consumed large numbers of crop eating insects. Their near extinction caused an ecological imbalance leading to insect population booms, lower crop yields, and contributing to Chinese famine.

The great Chinese famine, which tens of millions died. Wow. You don't think you're smarter than nature. You dump fuck. It got to give something to kids.

There's a balance out there and we don't total understand that balance. What's this fish that we have now? Asian carp, the one that's infested, all the different lakes. And then the snakehead, that's another one. Then the junk that torpedoes up.

That's the Asian carp. They fly through the air when you're in a boat. Yeah. They just, for whatever reason, when you're in a boat, they just try to throw themselves onto the boat. They're like, "Give me the fuck out of this lake."

There's so many of them. And they don't have a natural predator. And they bring them into places sometimes to clean up the algae. And then also, now I have a carp problem. And now the carp eat all the algae.

They eat everything. Where your whole lake looks like a swimming pool. There's no algae left. Look at these fucking things. That is crazy.

That's the Illinois River. I mean, this is just hundreds of fish just flying through the air. Everywhere they go. How nuts is that? You ever see people, they shoot them with bows and arrows.

So they wait from the hop up in the end. They try to catch them in the air with a bow and arrow. Just with the string on it. Oh yeah. There's a bunch of people do that.

That's a very popular sport. Is this face edible? I don't know.

I've never heard of anybody.

I know people eat regular carp. I don't know if Asian carp edible? Yep. There you go. It's lean and nutritious.

Clean mild flavor. So how does that have a net rolling behind me? Filet fish. There you go. Don't you guys need product?

There you go. Get out there with bows and arrows. Get it done.

“How many crawfish does Texas and Louisiana consume in crawfish season?”

That's a good question. I guess you would have to do it in pounds, right? Would you do it in pounds or millions of actual crawfish? Because they don't measure them in individuals. They weigh them by weight, right?

Because they're kind of weight. They go by weight. How many pounds of crawfish do you think? Texas, just say Texas and Louisiana in a year. 50 million?

Ooh.

I have to ask again, but I did give me 90 percent of the farm crawfish comes from Louisiana.

Yeah. 90 percent. How many pounds? How many pounds does it give me the answer? How many pounds does it take?

I went way too high. How many pounds does Texas and Louisiana consume in a year? Let me say 2 million of pounds. No. We've got to be in point in it.

Really? 2 million pounds a lot. It's fucking way more than that. What is it?

“What is 70 percent of the consumed amount as eaten in Louisiana?”

And the total is upwards of 150 million pounds. Yeah. Oh, 120 to 150 million annually. Whoa. Just in Louisiana.

70 percent, which is almost 100 million pounds of that is just in Louisiana.

That's the queen. Between crawfish boils and crawfish they can do fake. That is. How can delicious? That's delicious.

Fine. That is a crazy thing. This doesn't have a number. It's just tens of millions. Well, all we need is we've got the Louisiana.

It's going to be double with the whole country. It's crazy. Like Maryland actually thinks that they are big on cry out. And we just need to be shaking. I hear like, okay.

I think we ship crap to them. The Chesapeake Bay cannot outdo the Gulf of Mexico.

It is. We still. We still.

Yeah, I don't think Mexico agreed.

I don't think. I don't think they did either.

“They're like, no, you know, it's not the Gulf of America.”

We still, like, we're not saying that. It's hilarious. Well, hey, brother.

It's great talk to you again as always.

It's always fun. Man. Very good to do. Thank you. Do it more often.

Man, I'm here. Okay. Let's do it. It's always fun.

“But if they want to consume more specials, all buts on YouTube.”

Is it all of us on YouTube?

But you can go to Alexedique.com. The new special out my father is getting busy right now. It is. It's a great. This is a great special.

It really. What did you record this? That was in Detroit. Beautiful. Like I said, I love what you do.

“I love the fact that you're, you're so prolific.”

And, you know, that you built this whole thing. It's just, just on hard work. So, congratulations. Appreciate it. Thank you very much.

Good to see you. I'm going.