#2524 - Rupert Lowe

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>> Well, we are going to see Elon on Sunday, so he's been an incredible support for us.

So I don't know how you want to play there. I'm tickling your hands off, I'll follow your lead, but I mean, he's been helping us because Britain's in bad shape.

“>> Yeah, and that's why you're here, and this is what we're talking about.”

>> Well, the rate gang, we've done, this is, we've crowdfunded this, which I'm very happy to talk to you about, which I just -- >> That's just this title of the rape gang report. >> Yeah. >> The idea that there's rape, there's actual rape gangs in the UK, in 2026, and this, is it being ignored, is it being downplayed, like, how is it being received by the media and by the politicians over there?

>> Well, the history of it is that basically, as you probably know, Britain, after the war, decided they were going to play a part in Europe, a bigger part in Europe, we're a lead, the British elite, and to do that, they had to basically diminish the power of the nation state, and they had to head towards this European superstate, which is the EU, the genesis, which was obviously not.

>> Why did they have to diminish the power of the nation to do that?

“>> Because I think Britain was a proud nation state, we, we, with the American help,”

we'd won the war, and we hadn't been invaded or conquered, which most of Europe had been. So you'd had mass dislocation in Europe. Huge numbers of people had been dislocated and pushed all over Europe, and I think the socialist, I was in the European Parliament, so I spent a brief time as an MEP, a member of the European Parliament, when we finally achieved, well, a kind of Brexit, we can talk

about that, but it wasn't a proper Brexit. So I think the genesis of the rape gangs going back to this was the fact that multiculturalism was the order of the day, they wanted open borders, they wanted a multicultural society, they basically felt the nation state had been the cause of, of world wars effectively starting with Napoleon, then obviously we had the Kaiser then we had Hitler, and I think they saw it that way,

the monas, the spineles, and the people who constructed the European Union. So to, to the rape gang report, which was your question, ultimately, that, that the genesis of that is this multicultural, invasion almost of Europe. Can I, can I pause you for a second, so would you think is that the multicultural invasion, the way the way it was set up was on purpose, and it was on purpose to sort of diminish

the idea of nationalism?

“Yes, I think that, well, I'm, and so this was like a long plan, so this was something that”

they must have had to sit down and like who would be involved in this sort of a discussion where you would be willing to diminish patriotism, diminish this idea that Britain by itself has exceptional and the people are exceptional.

It's a, it was a long, deceitful plan, so I always, they will implement it.

The European elites in league with our elite, who effectively, if you remember in 1975, we had what was, we, we joined what was called the European economic community. It wasn't effectively, anything other than an economic union, but that, that very quickly changed and effectively, they tried to politically integrate Europe. That failed, and then in '97, they tried to force it through with the introduction of

the Euro, so having failed politically, they tried to do it financially. That was my first, uh, uh, for a understanding as a member of parliament to fight to save the British pound, because once you lose your currency, effectively you lose your sovereignty and national identity, and our gold reserves were going to be shipped out to Germany to Frankfurt, and we would have become a vassal-safe part of the European Union, it would have

been irreversible. But in the event, we thanks to Sir James Gosmith, we secured enough votes, we forced the establishment to promise a referendum before they surrendered to the Euro, and we ended up saving the pound, which in the end resulted in the referendum in 2016, where the British people voted to take back their sovereignty, which, ultimately, I think the establishment

always knew that the core, the body of Britain, or body of England in particular, wanted

its own accountable parliament in Westminster, it didn't want to be part of an unaccountable European Socialist Protection Super State. So the quote-unquote elites in Britain, and the elites in the United States, it's coordinated

So I think less so in America, Joe, I can't speak for an article, though, when you look at what the Democrats did with US aid, and all the stuff that was going on on Joe Biden,

“you have to wonder whether they began with the World Economic Forum to play a part in”

this. But I think the post-war plan for Europe was founded on a socialist principle, whereas

I think America has always been a very sound politically-based structure based on obviously,

the founding fathers in your constitution, which I always think returns power to the individual and has always understood that the dangers are status dangers, not individual dangers. So I'm very much in the camp, I like the individual, and a minimal state, and I think that's much more in your DNA than it is in the European DNA, which tends to be more state-ist.

Initially you got in Britain, you got people from Africa, you got the Windrush generation, so you got a lot of Africans came, ostensibly to fill jobs that they always say the British people don't want to do, and it gathered momentum, it was relatively slow to start with, so you had an influx of people coming to the UK, you had open borders in Europe, so one of the absolute embedded rules they have is this freedom of movement concept.

So they don't have effectively national borders, but we still obviously had the channel, but we embraced this and we started this immigration.

“What happened is it gradually happened, and I think these rate gangs have been going”

on, or we know they have, for 30, 40, probably 50 years, to a lesser extent, but when Tony Blair got in and he undermined a lot of constitutional sort of historical law, you got an acceleration of immigration from other parts of the world, not just from Europe, but also from other countries, South Asian countries in particular, who came to the UK and the genesis of the rape gangs really is, I think, the cultural oil and water mix of these people coming

from what I call "clannish societies" in South Asia, and joint coming to very high trust societies such as the one we had, and the one you have here, which have taken thousands of years to develop, to the high trust societies where, and you know, the Liquan U-based Singapore on post-war Britain, where you had honesty boxes for newspapers in London, and you had a country that was completely at peace with itself, so one the war, it respected

peace, it respected freedom, and people were building, rebuilding their lives, having

fought a second world war to free Europe from, sort of, in this case, Germany, previously

we'd done it at Waterloo when we relieved Europe of the French when Napoleon. So it really accelerated after '97 when a lot of the legislation that Tony Blair and his cohorts passed, such as the Human Rights Act, which embeds within the ECHR, he created the Supreme Court, they passed laws like the Equality's Act, and they're a raft of other legal acts they passed, which effectively empowered a multicultural society, which in some

“ways, I think, damaged the interests of the British people.”

And you think this is on purpose, and this is my point, is what is the benefit for them to be joined up with the rest of Europe, is it just purely financial, is it a power-based strategy where if you can diminish the quality of life for people, and institute more laws, and put more restrictions on them, you can control them easier, and it's less pushback for the politicians, let's push back for the people that are in charge.

Basically, yes, I think it's the age-old battle between individualism and collectivism.

So I think the EU is a collectivist construct, whereas I think Britain, as it was, under our constitution, our bill of rights, which, as you probably know, our bill of rights in '60, '89, a lot of that was lifted by your founding fathers, who embedded it within the US constitution. So, and that embeds freedom of speech, it embeds the individual embeds all of the rights

that I think make the Anglo-Saxon world great, and so how did it deteriorate to the point where they're arresting 12,000 people a year for social media posts? It's Janet Shocking, and this is why I have got involved in politics, I've been involved

of business for sterling, not a lot for vote-leave, and I stood for the Brexit party, and

I was elected there, so I've been fighting this march towards an unaccountable state, which effectively rewards collectivism and punishes individualism to the extent that, now, I find myself at the age of 68 as an MP, running a party called Restore Britain to try and reverse this tide, to reempower the individual, to return to our original constitution, and to protect

“the interests of the British people, to whom I think government should be accountable.”

Do they still have that kind of unchecked immigration as it currently ongoing? We still have illegal migrants arriving by vote, they can't, they can't be under the current laws and treaties that we're part of, they're not being deported. The judges, thanks to the creation of the Supreme Court, they are now a quango, a work quango, I think, a lot of our judiciary is corrupt, so the answer to your questions we still

have illegal migration, and we have people living in Britain illegally, we have a lot of foreign prisons in our prisons, and we have people who've come in under various waves of immigration, one of which, the biggest of which was probably under Boris Johnson, who was actually a Conservative Prime Minister, who allowed thousands, hundreds of thousands

of people to come into Britain, and basically they are now a burden to the British taxpayer.

So the answer to your questions, they're arriving illegally, still they're living here illegally, or living in Britain illegally, still, we've got foreign criminals and our prisons, and we've got, we've still got the legacy of this huge amount of immigration which took place. - Are our large reseners these people receiving welfare from the British government? - Yes.

- Well, what percentage? - Well, most of the people who arrive with their all supported, I mean, they're putting - So, can you please join us? - Yes. - As soon as you get there.

- In Parliament, I see the contracts, thanks to my parliamentary questions, I'm allowed to ask questions and scrutinise the contracts for, for instance, the Bibi Stockholm,

as it was a boat, which costs the British taxpayer, one and a half billion pounds, it's

actually now lying redundant and not being used. But I've seen the contracts for these illegal migrants in terms of the laundry services they get in terms of the taxis services they get in terms of the food they require. I mean, literally it is like, it's like staying in a very comfortable hotel, and we've now got these people being settled all across our country.

- How many? - In hotels. I don't think the government knows Joe, now it's your question, I don't think they know how many people are living in Britain illegally. - Well, the similar situation that America had over the last four years, where the, on the

low number, they think it was 10 million people came in, which isn't saying, it's saying amount of people to come in in four years. - We think there's enough work to do initially to detain and to pull people who are arriving illegally. I mean, to my mind, illegal means illegal, it's fairly straightforward, to the people

who are arriving illegally, people living here illegally, the farm criminals, there's plenty of work to do to remove them from Britain.

“And then I think we need to turn our attention, and that's in our mass deportation document.”

I've given you a copy of that, which effectively sets out the constitutional reasons why we have a problem. Now we correct those constitutional issues and how we then practically detain and deport the people who aren't supposed to be here. And once we've done that, we'll, we'll then turn our attention to people who are living

in Britain to your point, who are on welfare, who are going to cost the taxpayer of fortune for the rest of their lives, probably, who aren't working, who are culturally different to us, who have a different view of their religion, to the Christian religion, and are increasingly living in small groups of people who haven't integrated, who are living under Sharia Law and who have their own courts, and who have their own court.

They have their own court, Sharia courts, yes, parallel legal system. Okay, so it's unrecognized by the British government, parallel legal system that exists inside of England. It's tolerating. Tolerate it.

So it's, they're aware of it. Yes.

“And they're aware of the punishments that this court dishes out?”

Okay, it's rather like they're policing their own people under their own laws. And they're just allowing that. They're allowing that. Yeah. Whoa.

Now, now I believe, I don't know about you, but I believe if you come to our country, you should live under our laws. Yes, well, yeah. I mean, the idea of, well, the United States in particular is a melting pot, and people come from all over the place, and it's one of the cool things, it's all these different cultures.

But there's certain cultures that if you allow them to come into your community and then

problem.

Like, they don't live the way you live.

“They don't have the same respect for women that you have.”

They don't treat them the same way. They don't allow dogs. Like, there's a lot of, like, stuff that a lot of people might not even be aware that come with that problem. And it's like, the idea is supposed to be that Western society is inclusive and progressive

because we're intelligent and educated and we care. But you can care so much that you let in criminals, and then you give those criminals all your money, and then the criminals can take over your country slowly, but surely. And this is the, no one thinks that's a possible thing. People look at the Coliseum, you look at ancient Greece, and they think, wow, I wonder what

happened to those guys? What do you think happened? Probably the same shit that's happening right now to England, the same shit that could have happened to America. It's civilization's fall part for various reasons.

And one great way to get it to fall part is to bring in a bunch of people and they don't have to follow your laws and they bring the laws of, you know, wherever they're from. Whatever, whatever fundamentalist religion country they're from, where they have a bunch of crazy laws that are kind of archaic. Well, this is Sharia Law's Lament Law, as you probably know, I mean, again to your point.

“I think the best example I can give people of what happens if you do that is, is when”

Lebanon got its independence in 1948, they were a Christian country, and they were very confident country, they were, you know, the best universities, they had a very open society.

I never went to Beirut, I don't know if you went to Beirut, but Beirut in the 60s was meant

to be the best place on earth to be a great wine, freedom, very enlightened, it was a great lots of people with a minute that the Muslim population went over about 15%, you started to get a problem with a civil war, you got the Jews and Maranite Christians in a civil war with the Muslims, and now Lebanon is a Muslim country, and Hezbollah backed by Iran is effective in running the show.

So to your point, I couldn't agree more on the rape gang report, which we've written, was crowdfunded by 20,000 concerning which people who we raised, not a huge amount of money we raised about 600,000 pounds, and varying quantities of people gave, and we did it because the government will not have a sanctuary inquiry. So our government, particularly the Labour Party, have been presiding over this because it

goes to the Muslim block vote, so we have in the UK a system of postal voting, and in a lot of the inner cities and the places where these Islamic populations live, they are or have historically voted Labour, that's beginning to change, they're beginning to vote for Muslim independence now, and I sit with some of them at the back of Parliament. So effectively this inquiry we did, we set out with a completely unbiased view of what we

would find, and we did it because we were pushing the government to have a statutory inquiry,

“and I a lot of the reason I've got involved in it was I think it was Elon Musk who triggered”

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body that holds to account failures of the state, and it's basically because this block

has been keeping the labor party in power, so they've put power ahead of principle.

“And in the report we cover this, we've covered the reasons why it's so serious, and to”

you'll want me to even cover, as you quite rightly say, the fact that dogs are not liked by the Islamic faith, because Mohammed likes cats, he didn't like dogs. What we wanted to do was interview victims, which we did. We did it properly, took us over, we had a rape gang victim, Sammy Woodhouse, who led it. She's got a child by her rapist, and we had a team of people, and we literally produced

the witness bundles, and we listened to the witnesses, and then we had a two-week hearing in London where people gave evidence, and we had a proper barrister who effectively presided

over it, and then helped us write the report.

It's effectively Graham Smith's, the barrister, did a fantastic job. And we didn't start out with any preconceived ideas. It started because we read some court transcripts of some of the people who've been found guilty of this, which the government, by the way, has tried to keep quiet. Some of the historical court transcripts disappear, so we've been calling for these transcripts

to be kept now, we've actually tried to make a noise about that. And the more we read this and the more we carried on with the rape gang inquiry, the more it became clear to us that obviously there's a link between this power and the abuse and

grooming, and if you like, damage that was done to white working class English girls.

And it does go and in the report, we've looked at the reasons why to your point, there is a cultural difference of opinion between an open, high trust, Christian view of women, in particular, and the Islamic view of women, which is all in the report. So for instance, as you probably know, if a woman accuses somebody of rape, and a lot of these Muslims come from Pakistan, they're predominantly Pakistan, and they're predominantly from

one part of Pakistan, called Smith Poor. There are some from Bangladesh, there are some from Somalia, there are some from Erichrae, there are other Muslim countries that perpetrate some of this, and of course there are white people who perpetrate rape as well, but nothing on the scale of this. This is quite horrific.

And our report has effectively uncovered this.

“I think we've played a part with this report in the government saying that they're going”

to have now a statutory inquiry, because we didn't have any statutory powers to be able to force people to appear at our hearing, and they all appear voluntarily. The government can actually force people legally to appear. They can actually make it a legal requirement that people attend, we couldn't do that. But there had been reports in the past, there was the J report in 2014, and there's been

the case report, all of which confirmed that this was happening, and the state still continued to try and pretend it was just happening in a small number of siloed areas, where you obviously had a high Islamic population. The status equally failed to collect data on the crimes that are perpetrated, so the ethnicity of the people who are perpetrating the crimes, and from there you can extrapolate once you've

got the data as to whether or not you've got an extraordinary problem in one particular section of society. And again using my parliamentary questions, I've been forcing as much disclosure as I can get, and this is how we've discovered that a lot of the data that should be being collected by the police, particularly by the National Health Service, by social services, a lot of

the data has not been properly collected.

“Possibly because the state does, I think, know that this is happening, but they don't want”

to admit that they're multi-cultural experiment, which, as you probably know, famously Donald Powell warned would fail with his speech, the rivers of blood speech, for which he was heavily criticized. So I think they do know, but they don't want to admit it, they don't want to be called racist. They don't want to, and this is permeated the whole of society, since Tony Blair, people

have frightened to be accused of effectively being biased and white, and we're talking about things you probably don't know what you have it here, unconscious bias, and all of the other sort of what I call woke, di-driven rubbish, which has permeated Britain in

I think it may have originally come from you guys, but it's certainly had a huge effect

on us.

“I think it had a great grip on us for a few years, and it's lessened its hold.”

Well, thanks to the Donald. Yeah, that helped a lot, and I think a big part of it was Elon buying Twitter, where you got legitimate free speech, and which is, again, back to this, 12,000 people getting arrested each year for social media posts recently, but that is, how is that tolerated? I just don't understand how people are, I was about to say up and arms, but that's

also part of the problem, is that no one's armed over there. We have, I have actually got some guns just because I have a farm, so when you come under the UK, I hope you'll come and shoot some fessants with me. But, tell them, if you don't have a farm, well, if you don't have a farm, you'll find it very difficult to get a gun of any kind, and even if you have a farm, so reform tried to

politically assassinate me in 25, early 25, and made full saccusations about me threatening to hit one of the, is there use of an ameating, and somebody was saying I went around and I was a very good shot and I was going to shoot. Because if I'm as if you believe that, I've got a completely clean record, I employ lots

of people, I have lots of businesses, and I've never had an issue.

But listen, for armed police turned up, took all my guns away, I mean, and I'm a member of parliament. I said to them, 'cause you can just call me half of them, we could have talked about it, but no. Wow.

They turned up. Just from an accusation. 9, 30 at night, left at quarter to 12, we got them on the cameras. Took all my guns, all my armour, and it took me five or six months to get them, get them all back.

But look, so they don't want the public to have guns, and they are doing their very best to damage the shooters who perfectly legitimately liked going shoot play pigeons, who like to go and shoot game, who liked to go and hunt. Effectively, they're trying to make that very difficult through the licensing laws for guns, you probably know they banned handguns in the late 90s, because there was a murder up in

Dumb Lane. One murder. One murder. So everybody, my father used to shoot pistols for Oxford University, and he's dead now bless him, but he had all his pistols were taken away, the gun that pistols used to shoot

with it, Oxford University. I mean, we now have a society which needs radical change, and we need to release the individual, and to your point on social media posts, there was a lovely lady Lucy Conley, who was locked up for some, for 32 months for just a very emotional social media post, which she deleted after four hours, about the Southport killings, where this chap Axel Ruddicabana

went to knife three young girls and killed them, despite the fact that the British state through prevent was aware of this, and we've had a similar case recently with Henry Novak,

“where again, it was actually, I think, on this occasion, seek stabbed him, and the police,”

despite the fact when they arrived, the scene he told them he'd been stabbed, the police didn't believe him, and they tried to handcuff him, and as a result of that, it's arguable that they opened up the wound to stab wound, and he drowned in his own blood.

And while his murderer was never handcuffed.

So this is where the British state's gone completely wrong, so instead of one law for everybody and one policing for everybody, this sort of view that the white population is racist, which I don't personally believe them to be, I think Britain is a very tolerant country. Do you think that this perspective that society sort of adopted in the UK about white people being bad, do you think this was architecture to it, this was by design, if this

was done, or is this just a natural response to people being called racist? Because of course in the past, there was more racism than there is today, and people always want to point to that racism as evidence of colonialism, evidence of whatever it is that

“happened in days past, but why in England do you think that narrative took hold so well?”

Because I think, too, to your point, that this post-war plan for multiculturalism, I think they realized that they've got a problem. So part of it was probably infiltrating the universities and promoting these kind of ideas. It's almost as if with the world economic forum there's this view that the Anglo-Saxon nations

this misguided, altruistic view that we should become more concerned with global welfare rather than the welfare of our own citizens, which I totally disagree with. Well, there's also the U.L.O.N. nothing and you will be happy. Larry, as someone would even say that out loud, you all know nothing and you will be happy. Is this a part of an or a well-book?

Because this doesn't seem like a real person would say something like that, because who the

“fuck is going to listen to that, doesn't make any sense?”

What George U.L. was being rather accurate, isn't it? He's dead on. He's actually pretty optimistic, like his version of the world was a little bit more palatable than what we're dealing with right now. Interesting man, Old Atonian, fought in the Spanish Civil War, I mean he was a very quirky

Englishman who clearly had a hugely prescient foresight. And I think probably like certainly like me, he had a healthy disrespect for what I call "collectivist statism" and he was a very much an individual and a believer in the individual. It's really interesting because when I first read that book was in high school and I kept

thinking like, what a crazy, this had never happened, this has done impossible, but what a crazy

world this guy has created in his imagination of things going completely haywire. And then you realize, as time goes on, oh that's totally possible. It's totally possible that things can get that ridiculous. I mean, when you're dealing with, you know, male, biologically male athletes that compete against women because they identify as a women and use women's locker rooms, all the craziness

that we deal with today, the open border situation, no one's illegal on stolen land. Hey fuck off, like what are we doing? What is this? Well, it's almost as if we're subverting all the things that made us great. Yeah.

And, you know, there's nothing wrong with immigration, but there's, it's probably a good idea to make sure no one's on a fucking murder before you let him in. Like the idea that there should be no border at all, it's like if the world was perfect, that sounds wonderful. If the world was perfect, everybody paid their taxes and everybody followed the laws,

why have borders? Clearly, it's not perfect. You know, go to, go to Pakistan, go to Karachi, go, go hang out, go, go down the street as a woman in a many skirt and see how that works out.

“This is your quiet right, this is, I mean, Pakistan is, I think, it's a wild place.”

Example of a rogue state, basically, and I think they're view of, as you say, women who dress in ways other than the ways of Sharia, I totally covered. Yes. And again, it's all in the various of the Hadiths, which we quote in the Reggian report.

They are considered to be meat, and this is something I've never understood.

How do you square this circle of this sort of clanish backward-looking culture, which comes to a highly open, high-trust society, and then embeds itself within that society, and undermines everything that we've achieved over a thousand years. And acknowledging that is somehow another racist, acknowledging that some cultures are superior as somehow another racist, but just understanding human rights, understanding the rights

of individuals to be free, to not be subjected to other people's archaic laws. And this is, look, a lot of cultures in this world live as people lived thousands of years ago. No one in the United States wants to live as people lived thousands of years ago. No one.

And this is not a racist thing.

“Like you should be able to come over here and practice whatever religion you want.”

But if your religion has rules that violate the laws that we've all agree are just and fair, then you're not integrating, and if you take over a whole town, and now that town is subject to these archaic laws, we've got a problem. And if you let that problem get bigger and bigger, they take over the country. And that's an actual possibility for certain countries.

And we have to recognize that civilization is not as sturdy as we like to think it is. It's kind of, kind of, flimsy in a lot of ways. A few bad things can happen and things can go sideways quite quickly. It's time to get to work. Medrizu Stoyer.

It's time I'm not racist and you'll be up game. Well, I think Liberty is very fragile, isn't it?

Ultimately, if you don't protect Liberty, you lose it.

It was Margaret Satchel, who was very strong on this. And you have to have laws. You have to have laws. But what you also have to have is everyone should be equal under the law. Yes.

And to your point, I couldn't agree more, I'm in Britain used to be a very tolerant society. So for instance, Europe was very anti-Semitic.

Britain was never anti-Semitic.

We used to welcome a lot of Jews and Protestants from Europe who were being persecuted, particularly in France with the Protestants. So we were a very tolerant society, but the people who came integrated and they contributed.

“And that is the essence, I think, of sensible immigration.”

So it should be limited targeted and it should be only people who accept your religion and your culture and your voice. But what do you do though, if someone comes over here and then they're not violating laws, they're not violating any laws, they achieve citizenship. But then they start bringing over more and more people and then start instituting Sharia

law. What do you do? Do you deport them all? This idea of having all these people recognizing how many people got in illegally, deported them, mass deportations, deporting criminals, it all sounds great until you talk about

actually implementing it. Like how do you do that? How are you doing that? Well, knock on people's doors and pull them out of their homes and ship them back to where they came from?

Like how do you do that? I think the first thing you do is you stop them coming across. Okay, how many? What should be coming? What should be coming?

What should be coming? Because they're traveling over to the cross-save countries, so they shouldn't be coming.

“What's the estimate of the amount of illegal immigration that you have in Britain?”

It's almost impossible to say how many people are living there illegally, or living with us illegally.

In our paper, I mean, we think it's sort of 1.8 to 2 million people probably.

That's our estimate. But people are arriving, we know how many are arriving, there's a lot of arriving every day, particularly when the sea is calm. How many are you arrive every day? They're coming, we can vary.

I mean, you can get 1,000 in a day, you can get, if the sea is rough, you get none, because obviously they suffer if they try and cross over crowded ding is that they can't get across. But we're paying the French over half a billion pounds a year to try and stop it. And that I think is not happening.

And as a result of that, our board of patrol picks them up, gives them bottles of water brings them in and settles them in hotels and pays them well, pays them well for it. They become, and then they apply for residency and they say they're asylum seekers, I argue most of the economic migrants. But our work culture is not protecting the interests of the British people.

But it's also a massive incentive if you live in a terribly poor country and you can just get to England and then instantaneously you will get money in housing. That's right. Why would you not do that? Well, not any of that.

You go to the top of the waiting list for dental treatment, which British people don't get the NHS in the top of the waiting list. Wait a minute. They get access to dental treatment that the British people don't get. Correct.

Why? Why do immigrants get access to it? This show is the mystery of what our leaders, I don't know what they think they're doing. But they have this misguided view that these people are actually they call them asylum seekers.

They say they need to be looked after and protected. They're not. They're economic migrants. And to your point, if they know, there's welfare when they reach Britain, they'll travel across multiple safe countries to get to the welfare, the free housing.

Here, of course. And all the other stuff. And then, unless you deal with issues like the rate gangs and you force them to adhere to UK law and respect our laws, our culture, and our religion, they gradually set up their own cultures and their own laws, as I said, and their large tracks of the country

now where we've got these Islamic settlements, which effectively operate almost as a sort of parallel society. I don't know whether it's quite the same here, whether you've got the similar thing with the smallest in Minnesota, right? You do in Dearborn, Michigan.

Dearborn, Michigan, just had a gigantic Islamic parade, where you just see tens of thousands of people holding flags and walking on the street. Yeah. It's kind of crazy. It's crazy.

And they've also done a lot of things that's funny about Dearborn is all the progressives. It's very liberal place. They're like, "Welcome. Welcome. Welcome for all cultures."

And as soon as they got into power, they banned the pride flag.

Those are the first things they did.

Well, I'm afraid they have quite strong views on that sort of thing. Oh, yeah.

“That's why yeah, Quiz for Palestine is always hilarious.”

And then you see the mean Palestine for Queers and it's throwing people off roofs. It's like the champion runs our Green Party, is a gay Jew.

But that doesn't seem to put the progressives off. They still seem to be. But this is what's crazy is that their society is completely, like Islamic society, is completely patriarchal.

The women are absolutely second-class citizens.

They have completely different laws for how the women can dress. What happens to the woman if someone has sex with, if someone has, first of all, they commit adultery. They can be killed. It's done.

It's done to death. Yeah. And I want. It's an horrible video where a father did it to his daughter. Yes.

You do get these killings. On her killings. On her killings. Or brothers, the brother will kill the daughter of the daughter, shame the family.

“It's like, hey, guys, how are you progressive when you're supporting this?”

And it's because the concept of not being racist, not being called racist, the fear of that is so strong. They're willing to adopt all sorts of things that are completely antithesis of everything that believe it.

Well, in the UK, I don't know if you have it here, but the Me Too movement, it always

fascinates me that they never seem to say anything about these, what I call "clanish tribal cultures" who have a completely different view of women. And to your point, again, in our report, a woman, if she accuses in Pakistan a man of rape, she has to have four male witnesses who actually have to witness and swear that they've seen her being penetrated by the rapist.

And you've actually got women in prison because if she can't prove that she's been raped under those rules, then she can be sent to prison. And there are many women languishing in Pakistani prisons for that very reason. And this is the sort of extraordinary cultural oil and water which just doesn't make you.

“Also, the mental gymnastics that you have to have to accept that as a part of Britain,”

and because you're progressive, is really crazy. It just shows how these ideologies, these cult-like ideologies can completely defy logic, completely defy a common sense, and just, you have a set of rules that you're supposed to adhere to, if you deviate from those rules, you're a racist. You don't want to be a racist, right?

Then everyone's welcome.

As you say, it's honour killings, it's tribal, your first loyalty is to your tribe and

your family, not to your host country who's actually got their own laws. There are all sorts of herdeath rulings which they can use to justify it, I mean, for instance, if they rape a white girl, that doesn't count in their view of life as adultery. So they are effectively taught that a girl who doesn't dress as they would dress is meet to be abused, and they have these extraordinary sort of cultural views.

That are completely incompatible, in my view, with a society like ours where we are a matriarchal society which respects women.

“I think we have grown to respect women, obviously they've now got an omnipotent position within”

our society certainly in the UK. I'm sure it's true here too, and quite right, they play a part in our society. They're very, very important part of everything. But again, under the Islamic code, I think that the Muslims are frightened of female sexuality, it's all there.

And as you know, you get FGM female genital mutilation, so these cultures, I think, Joe and to your point, are just incompatible unless you have a very strong government which basically protects its electorate. From any subversive behavior which is not compatible with our values. You keep using the term meat, is that how they actually look for it to it as?

That's how they consider it, yeah. What do they say? How are they saying? That's, you know, it's in our report, that's that there was actually, I think, it was, I think it was, is it a translation of it?

I think Thomas Jefferson actually, it's in our report asked the barbry pirates about the way and which they treated their slaves and their women, that was particularly, a slave. They just, also, slavery is, is, is, is accepted within, within Islamic countries. So so I think they have their own codes, they have their own terms of reference. And there is a quote in there, I'd have to look at the report to give it to you.

But where one of them does like and white girls not dressing as Muslim girls dress, and he does

And, and, and, and, and, you know, that that is an analogy he used.

“So I mean, yeah, I think I think that's what they think.”

This, so this rape gang inquiry report that you have just released, the number, I want you to say, because it sounds so crazy, if I say it, people, it's, it's going to sound wrong. What the number of people that were victims, the estimate.

Well, we've estimated that a minimum of a quarter of a million rapes have taken place.

It's, it's probably much, much more, Joe, because because we published in here, I think it's a list of 147 parts of the UK where this is happening. Now, the government tries to tell you it's happening in Rochdale, old and, you know, one or two Bradford, one or two centers, and that's why they're statutory inquiry, the terms of reference to that, and have been downgraded, so they make it look as if it's not a systemic

problem, but just a, a little local problem, which it isn't. So we've, we've listed here, and they're all in here, the places where we know it's happening from our rape gang inquiry. But every, every time we publish this, Joe, I hear people emailing us, or sending us messages on social media to say, what about red, roof, and cool, what about, it's happening here,

it's happening here, it's happening here.

“So I think it's incredibly widespread, and there's, you know, other people who've corroborated”

that quarter of a million figures, that's an incredibly conservative figure.

You can't be exact, because the state is not collecting the data, which is should be doing, and we've been lobbying in parliament to make sure that the state's collection of the data improves. And then we can actually see the extent of the problem, and you can actually pinpoint it in the same way that we've done it in this report.

So, so this is, I think it's linked to organised crime, I think it's linked to the drug trade, I'm pretty sure it's linked to drug trade, and obviously it's linked to prostitution. So, so, as usual, with an evil like this, and you've got girls who are transported

“around in the back of pickups and cages, and at our rape gang inquiry, we had examples”

of girls who were raped by dogs, and filmed, either mainly raped, or of a giantly raped,

and literally watched filmed, and a lot of it's about servitude and about, you know, there's other stories in here about women having to lick the feet of their, of their rapists. It's about power, it's about servitude, and it's about the fact that Muslim men are taught to believe that they are superior, not only to women, but they're superior to people like

you, yourself and myself who are considered to be, if you like, the infidels, and their job is to effectively spread Islam and effectively punish the infidels, and as you probably know in the Crusades, if you lost a salad in, and you were a Knights Templar, a Crusader, you had two choices, you either converted to Islam, or they killed you, and in the case of a lot of these girls, a lot of them were made pregnant, they were impregnated, and

they then had to convert to Islam. Some of them were trafficked to Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, other parts of the world. So look, I mean, this is a massive national scandal, and I'm hoping, now I'm an MP, we've written this report, and this should stimulate debate, we send a copy of this on a PDF to every MP, and we're going to send this printed copy to all of them as well, because everybody

in power should look at this, and they should start to correct it immediately. You use the term, or the term is used rape gang, why are you saying gang, and this is an organized practice, so it's not as simple as Islamic men, a raping poor white girls, it's that they go out at gangs, specifically for this purpose. These are properly organized gangs who are grooming and abusing young girls as young

as 10 or 11, and then literally trafficking them around the country, we know that from the testimonies we've had. So originally, when I went into Parliament, I was elected late, so I was elected in July, 24, so at the 10 or age of 67, so I, so we heard them being referred to as Asian grooming gangs, which I think is a misnomer because it's unfair

So when we, thanks to Elon Musk, we actually did, and as you're quite right, thanks to him

giving us a free speech platform, and Facebook's thankfully followed as well, so he's led the charge through his purchase of, of what was Twitter. So when I got into, I gave a speech in Parliament where I didn't, I said they're not Asian grooming gangs, I'm going to call them what they are. They're Pakistan, Muslim, rape gangs, so I said this in Parliament, so, Jamie will be able to drag it up if he goes on to the, you know, because everything goes

into hand-side, and I gave this speech and it called shock in, in, in the House of Commons. Now, I'm, I'm not the smartest kid on the block, but what I do in Parliament is I tell the truth. So, you know, I'm only interested in telling the truth and getting to the truth and changing

“the way in which we govern. That's what I've gone into Parliament for. I haven't gone into this,”

I give my parliamentary salary to charity. You know, I'm a reasonably successful person who's lived his life. I've been chairman of a football club. I don't know if you're interested in Premier League football, but I was chairman of Southampton, so I built the stadium of Southampton, you know, I used to play competitive hockey, and I, and I built up the Youth Academy of Southampton, and I loved the best day of my life as when we got to the Cup Final in 2003. We lost one

ill to Arsenal, but it was the most amazing experience for everybody. So, look, I'm not doing this

because I, I, I want, necessarily, to be doing it. I'm doing because somebody's got to do it. And if we're going to change Britain, we've got to get the public to buy into what we're doing. And as I, I said, I'm not a classic politician. I'm not saying you've got to vote for me.

“I'm saying that we've got to change Britain by 29, or I think the country from what I can see”

is in terminal decline. So, I sit on the public accounts committee. I see the waste. I see the unaccountability. I see the way in which the civil service does not serve the people, which is supposed to serve. I see our debt rising to nearly 100% of GDP. I see massive misallocation of procurement on our on our weapons. I see fraud in the judiciary. I see all the things that South are going to talk about America. Well, I'm talking about, I'm talking about Britain, I'm a home

and Joe, but I think it's a widespread problem. Well, I actually, I actually think America under Joe Biden probably was as bad as that. And if you look at what, you know, Elon and the boys uncovered with with with USA and and all of the, all the misallocation of taxpayer funds all over the world, a lot of it to England. Some of it came to woke, woke causes in England. So, look, whoever the architects of this are, whether it's the world economic forum,

whoever they are, whether it's the builder burgers, whether it's the council on foreign relations, whether it's whatever malign influence is trying to do this, we have to collect, if you try and reverse it. So, I'm I'm saying to people, if you want, I will do my damned, it's to reverse it. You know, I've run multiple businesses. I was in the city of London for 20 years. So, I know about finance, and I will commit to doing whatever I can to reverse this for the British people, but they've

got, they've got to bind to it. They've got to bind to it. Well, are there people that are in denial that this is happening, that this rape gang problem is real? Oh, without a shadow of a doubt, Labour. And what, what do they say? Well, Labour just tries to look the other way. But when confronted, when confronted by the numbers, what is their response? Well, we've been demanding a statutory inquiry and in the end, we crowdfunded this. Right. What is their response to

that? Well, their response to this has been pretty muted to be frank. I mean, the BBC haven't covered it at all? Really. A national monopolistic broadcaster paid for by a compulsory fee have not covered this as a matter of public interest. Nor of sky. Nor of nor properly the daily telegraph, GB News have covered a tiny Patrick Christus covered one evening of it. Now, this is a massive national scandal that deserves a complete, a complete and utter airing. How does the BBC

justify not discussing this? Well, the BBC's part of our problem, Joe, so to your point about, you know, the Democrats, the BBC is a deeply malign organization. So it was set up to inform educators in entertainment, and it was set up by Michael Reeth. And Reeth was a highly

“principal man, and I think at the time it was set up in the 20s, it was, it probably did have a role.”

But in the digital age, where most of the young people no longer watch their news on the BBC, they get their news from whatever their favorite news channel is,

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fill in the blank, then it can't be completely legitimate. It has to be a fringe thing. It has to be a conspiracy thing. They still need these sort of legacy establishments to give them the news, because that has been the way they grew up. That has been how they were trained. And in their mind, they don't understand the internet completely. They don't go on Twitter.

And so all that stuff to them is just too fringe. So that's always going to be a problem.

And if someone like the BBC doesn't cover this stuff, for a lot of people that are woefully ignorant, they can still kind of claim that ignorance and dismiss it, because the BBC isn't covering it. That's exactly right. I mean, that's a very good summary, because the BBC historically was totally trusted. And then news bulletins were designed, as I say, to be impartial completely. And being a public sector broadcaster, their job was to cover matters like this and

create debate. But as we know, monopolies go bad. I mean, monopolies, in my view, are generally a bad thing, particularly in the digital age where, you know, thanks to Elon Musk and what he did

“with, with X, I think he has released free speech. I think he has returned some sort of semblance”

of people's ability to be able to force debate without being bullied by a monopoly like the BBC.

So if I ever get near power, I will responsibly defund the BBC as one of the first things I do.

I think the BBC is dripping poison into the veins of Britain every day. What other examples of what the BBC is doing, do you think, is dripping poison? Well, I think a lot of their coverage is not objective. It's woke. I mean, they're into all its DEI, they're into obviously the LGBTQ plus, they're into all of the, all of the things, which I think, as we said earlier, probably came from this Democrat period. But it's been happening for

a long time. I think, if you look at the Labour Party, again, I don't know if you've ever heard of the Fabian Society. So the Fabian Society was set up in the 1880s and it was basically most of the Labour Front Bench and most of the Labour Party and members of the Fabian Society. So the Fabian Society, George Bernard Shaw, as a member of the Fabian Society, you'll have heard George Bernard Shaw too. So he, it's the most extraordinary organisation that their emblem is a wolf in sheep's clothing.

As if, as if that doesn't tell you what they're doing.

“That's their emblem? So can I see what that looks like?”

That's their emblem, it's a wolf in sheep's clothing. Fabian Society? The Fabian Society. I need to see that. You should have a look at that.

I might have to get a TV show. Should I tell you what else they are? I need a TV show. Should I tell you what else they were? They were you Genesis originally? Well, yes. When? Well, how far back are you going to show George Bernard Shaw? Look at that.

That is damn crazy. Well, everyone should look at the Fabian Society, because that runs deep through the veins of life. That is damn crazy. What do you think of that? That is damn crazy. So ladies and gentlemen, if you're just listening to this, this Fabian Society

Code of Arms is really a black wolf that has a sheep's body strapped on top of its back. And it's like covering its butt. This is insane. That's crazy. That what a complete disdain for anybody else's intelligence.

all members of the Fabian Society.

So that that code of arms is... He has Starrmer is also a member of... I did the T-shirt, Jane, please order it. You want, you want to hold in. You want, you want the Fabian Society, T-shirt.

“Just for a good, I think it'll be hilarious.”

But no, so that runs through the Labour Party. So that's all part of it. So I think the agenda has been to your point. They're infiltrated our education system. And I'm proud of our history.

I mean, Britain stopped the slave trade. It costs us a fortune. We did it almost unilaterally. And we, I think, on the whole of being a force for good in the world, not bad. I'm proud to say that I've started a lot of history.

I think there are many other cultures, probably the Belgians and the French who have far more brutal than us with their coloners. So I think we've tended to leave a legacy where we've tried to instill the rule of law. Look at India. Look at a lot of the other countries that we were involved with.

They're now flourishing because of the, I think, the structures that we left in place. And it's very sad to watch us almost turning in on ourselves and having left the legacy in other countries. We, we ourselves, have lost sight of what, of what we should be doing. It's just, it's really extraordinary seeing the perspective of a lot of young people

that are very impressionable that come out of universities and have an utter complete disdain for these successful societies. And instead of looking at these successful societies and saying, "Well, yeah, people were really terrible in the past, but this is a pretty good example of how people should be treated equally today."

No, it's not perfect, but it's progressing in a better direction than it was in the past, right? Instead, they look to the past and everything is built on this horrible history of outrageous atrocious acts and therefore it must be punished currently. And all the people that benefited from, specifically white people, need to be cast out, they need to be silenced, they multiculturalisms,

“the only way to go, complete open borders, like the way they look at things is like,”

"How do you think these countries got so good?" Like, what do you think is about America or about England, about any of these countries that leads them to be where they are today? Well, it's a long history of progress, a long history, and along the way, yeah, especially when you go back hundreds of years ago,

people were fucking terrible, they were terrible everywhere. You know, humans are just getting better at being people, like pretty recently, but they throw it all out and abandon it and to think that socialism is going to fix you. Like, do you guys read anything? There's not a single example of that, not turning to tyranny.

And they're taken on it as always, it hasn't been done correctly.

And that is so wild that people are still willing to swallow that. And the only thing that makes sense is they've been indoctrinated through universities to think this way, because nowhere in the real world, do you think that a quality of outcome ever makes any sense? Because everybody realizes somewhere along the line, when you get your first job,

when you're a kid, when you go through school, when you're playing sports, there's not a quality of effort, there's never a quality of effort. And there's always some people that want to put in more effort, and they're put in more thought and more focus, and they get further. And, you know, oh, well, they're fucking over all these other people.

Up to, are you sure that's everything? Because it seems like it's not. And it seems like as soon as you remove any incentive to succeed,

then you don't have any of the amazing stuff that you have around you all the time.

The reason why you have beautiful televisions and star link and all that is capitalism

“is that you have to incentivize people to create these things.”

Yeah. It doesn't mean the only way to do it is to fuck other people over. That's not correct. It can be done correctly. It can be done humanely. It can be done wisely. You could vote with your dollars. You could, you know, boycott companies that do things that you don't think are ethical. There's all sorts of wonderful ways of capitalism.

It could be used and you can sort of influence things in the right direction. But to throw it all out and say, we've got to go to socialism and like, oh boy, I can't believe people are buying that. I just, that to me is one of the real problems with not allowing conservative voices in universities and that these universities, especially in the United States, are a lot of especially like in sociology, psychology, and the overwhelmingly liberal.

Like surely there's got to be some historians out there that are conservative and they would have a different perspective and it might be good to have diversity of opinion, as well as diversity of national origin, as well as diversity of gender,

opinion, like the only way to know whether or not this person's making sense is to have someone

who completely disagrees it is a better point. Go up against them and you watch them do get out and as soon as you silence all that because students don't feel safe or because, you know, this is promoting x, y, and z. This person's a Nazi. Oh, they're a Nazi. We can't let one there. As soon as you do that, you ruin the whole thing that a university is supposed to be doing. It's supposed to be preparing young minds for discourse and for communicating and for

figuring out the world on their own. They're eventually going to be independent and dependent entirely on their own actions and decisions and go out there in the world, figure out your way. Arm them correctly and the way to do that is to expose them to all sorts of different competing

ideas. The idea that that was ever accepted to be shut down in this country, especially in America,

is each massive failure of the education system, just massive. If you think that someone has bad points, come up with better points and let them do get out and don't pull fire alarms and don't silence them, don't scream and protest and throw things at them, communicate. This is what and anybody who doesn't do that should be shunned. I agree. If you're one of those people that says, no, you can't talk to Nazis like shunned them, shunned, they are the enemy of thinking.

They are the enemy of progress. They are the enemy of finding out what's right and what's wrong.

“And the only way we find that out is we communicate. Free speech. Free speech.”

Well, free speech and a degree of Darwinism. You have to have a, what we have in the UK now is

I will say, reverse Darwinian theory. And again, at schools now, in my dam, I'd like we like to win

to win was good. To win fairly in a proper game of hockey or rugby or whatever was great. But now, in schools, winning is considered to be bad. Everybody needs to have an opportunity to be treated the same. In sports, often, often in sport, to win to be seen as a competitive winner. You guys don't have wrestling. We don't have wrestling. I know you do. You do. It's a real problem. Kage fighting itself. No, but I mean wrestling, just wrestling as a sport,

just wrestling for high school and college, it's like wrestlers understand meritocracy as good as any human being alive because there's no way to make it unless you work hard. But isn't this the battle, Jay, the age old battle between individualism and collectivism? Yes. Because the collective likes to curb the individual. I like to foster the

“individual. And I think what the state fears most is highly successful independent minded people”

who are capable of putting their point of view and discussing it with each other. So what they try and do through the taxation in the UK, what they're doing is they're taxing to your point people who contribute to work hard. And there are still a lot of people who fight very hard to feed their families, that proud they don't want to be part of this welfareism. They want to provide and they work hard. But the state puts everything in their way or the regulations,

the rules, the taxes. Everything is, everything is, the force is not with them. And that's got to be wrong. I mean, what you what I think what you need is a lot of successful individual family businesses, communities which are self-sufficient, communities that respect each other and effectively can have this debate with each other. You get at the truth. And I think as a result of that, most of the best inventions have come from the UK, the US, from the Anglo-Saxon

world, where individualism, when it's allowed to flourish, does a lot of good for mankind.

“Right. And to your point, I think this is what's been undermined by these what I call central”

planners. And a lot of these great inventions in America have come from people that immigrated legally from other countries because they appreciated what America stood for and they really wanted to make something happen and they couldn't do it wherever they were. With extraordinary in the UK, we've got a lot of support from people who are immigrants into the UK. They came to Britain because they respected our structures and what they want is they want

structure, they don't want to see the country. Yes, legal immigrants in America have the same perspective. Same. Legal immigrants in America are pretty overwhelmingly against the whole open border idea because it took it was so hard for them to become an American citizen. It's a very proud moment for them to do it. Like a lot of young people, a lot of support for me, people who are again, people are online. See, this is the thing. So young people are much more, I want to say

informed, but at least aware of the issue. There are much more aware of things than older people that are just, again, reading the newspaper and watching television. But don't don't you think is it maybe the same here in Britain? A lot of them wealth is tied up in what I call the baby

And a lot of the pension wealth is held there. And a lot of the damage has been done to our financial

markets has come from a version to risk. Risk is a good thing, in my opinion. So people need to take risk. Risk, you know, the entrepreneur takes risk and he gets reward if he gets it right. But if you tax him into oblivion, he doesn't take the risk. And what's happened in Britain is the baby boomers, a wealth all locked up there. They want to see their retirement through safely. And not enough money is cascading down to the young people to be able to build their lives

in the same way that the boomers were given a chance to make money in this very, when you see not enough money is cascading down like how so? Well, the money is all locked up with these old baby boomers and they're more concerned with their pensions and their retirement than they are

with generating an ongoing wealth chain, which gives an opportunity for the young to be involved.

See meaning they're not starting businesses. No, very much not. They're just holding on to their money.

“So that's just that's an England thing. In England, definitely. I'm not, I think it's a big issue.”

I don't know whether it's an issue here. Is it an issue here? Well, there's certainly an issue here with young people feeling like the system is completely rigged. Cost of housing is through the roof, rent is through the roof, groceries are more expensive. Inflation here is a giant problem. It's a giant problem for people that are struggling. We were just looking at something the other day on the internet, where it was talking about a number, a number from, was it like

2000 and 7 or 2008 or something like that? There was like $225,000 and it's $450,000 in today.

Well, that's crazy. That's like 20 years ago. To have something double in 20 years,

and you just think about how many people that are coming up that just feel like AI is going to take all their jobs, so they don't know what to do, and now they're in student debt because you guys have free education over there, which is a wonderful thing. I mean, I completely support that idea, but in America, these kids get saddled down with debt that they can't escape. Well, we don't have free education, so in England, in Scotland they do.

Scotland has free education. We did use to have it. You're quite right. When did it go away? Well, now students have to take out loans, and this is another shocking I thought you guys had free healthcare and free education. Well, we have, if you call it free healthcare, assuming you can get a doctor now, because most people now are having to source their own medical treatment, because it takes you so long to get an operation or to get a doctor's appointment,

it's although the sort of health service was set up, post-war to provide free healthcare. When it becomes incredibly inefficient, people have to seek their own care, otherwise they're

“being retreated. But I look, I think with student debt now, we're really changed. We're university”

education. It's changed so now. What year was this? It's been changed for a long time. So yeah, yeah. So my oldest son is 35. So he took out his student loan. It was less than, and then the fees shot up. So what's it like for Oxford? What's a typical, what how much well, they run up students or run up debt of in the UK, now it's not uncommon to run up a debt of 60,000 pounds. So it's very similar to what's going on in the US. 60,000 pounds, and they're charged

the most idiosk rate of interest on it. Do you want to say pause in terms of bankruptcy over there? We do have bankruptcy laws. Yeah. But do you have bankruptcy laws? Student debt, you won't be bankrupt, because because the student debt, they just accrued the interest. If you go and work in a foreign country, often you don't have to pay the student debt back.

“I think it's a 30 liability. But once you start working, then the student debt organization”

will take interest and principle out of your salary. In America, if you go bankrupt, they'll forgive credit card debt, also it's over the debt, but not student loan. It's the one loan that you cannot ever be forgiven from. In fact, people who have social security in America, their social security gets docked because they owe student loans. He's not right. I don't know. It's crazy. Imagine you're at the end of your life. You're living on social security,

and they take in pieces of it for an education that cleared it and help you out. Well, I didn't about you, but in England, we've got these ridiculous courses in sort of humanities and sort of things that are completely absurd. And these kids go and do that, that these, what I call bullshit degrees. And at the end of the day, they come out of it with a load of debt. All right. No real skills. No skills. And a completely ideologically captured mind.

Very much so. Yeah. It's, um, that's, it's, and there's not a lot of other alternatives.

You're even if you're from a conservative family or if kids grow up a certain way, send them up to college. And they're very impressionable. And they're going to get talked down to by a professor

who's a communist who's never had a real job in his life. And he seems so smart and he's very

smart and he insults you if you disagree with him. And he is the ruler of the classroom. And everybody like, like, little kids, they just give into this guy's ideas. The next thing you know, you're, you're organizing on school grounds and you're doing all the same things that the other commoners are doing and you're, you're part of the team. Hey, we're a nice, we're going to fix the world. And you don't realize how ridiculous it is until like maybe you're 35 and you have a job

“and then you have a family and you're like, what the fuck are we doing? Like, what is this?”

It does change, doesn't it? Oh, 100%. But only for the word, you know, all should show me a young man who's the, who quoted that, who's that quote from Show Me a Young Man who's not a liberal or is it

progressive or whatever it is? Show me a young man who's not a liberal and I'll show you a man

without a heart, show me an old man is not conservative and I'll show you a man without a brand. Yeah, no, I don't know who said that, but I, it's, it's a common, it's a common thing. What's fine, I'm going to say that. It's, it's a trueism. Churchill, is it Churchill? There you go, one of your people. Yeah, brilliant. And, and accurate and it doesn't being conservative doesn't mean you're not kind, silly. It's just recognition

of human nature and you can't, you can't reward people for not putting in effort because then they will find ways to not put in effort. You can't reward people for being a quote unquote victim.

“And, I don't mean a real victim of a crime. I mean victimized by society, victimized by circumstance,”

victimized. You can't weaponize that because people will cling to it. There are people love excuses. Anybody who does sports, you play hockey, people love excuses. Not today, my back hurts. Today, I don't feel up to it. Today, I'm a little tired. I can't do the final lap. People love excuses. And when you weaponize that and you give people incentives to be, you give excuses and then you put people on their heels like, "Whoa, I don't want to appear

that I'm insensitive. Let's help you out." And then, all of a sudden, you've got a whole swath of society that has carte blanch over your tax dollars for nonsense. Well, this is obviously what's happened in the UK. When I was brought up again, competitions was a good thing. If you felt a bit rough, you just carried on. You didn't win, you didn't moan, you expected to

fight for things. If you had a setback, you didn't immediately go and cry into your bare. You basically

got on with it. Well, we need to teach people that. It's character building. You're going to have

“rough days. And you should cherish those rough days because from them, you will grow. You will grow”

from your rough days. The down times are the good ones. Because those down times really give you the motivation and the real firepower to get out of whatever situation you're in and improve your life. And it's from adversity comes success. Yes. I think, comes character for sure. Yeah, character for sure. I mean, it doesn't exist without some sort of adversity. But I do think, I think the young were also badly affected by the COVID, by the response to

COVID. I think you and I share something and come on. I'm a pure blood. I haven't, I didn't have to do that. I didn't have those. I didn't have those injections. I wouldn't get anywhere near them. How did you get away with that in the UK? Well, I used to go to Australia a lot. So, because I have some businesses in Perth in Western Australia. I love those old rocks in Western Australia, you know, the mining, the sort of wild west and Cal Gurley in places like that, you know,

which have got a huge historical connection to sort of goal-perspecting and stuff. So, I stopped going. I stopped traveling because it was very difficult to travel. But I, I don't know about you. I found the lockdown profoundly concerning. I thought, I thought things that I thought were nor the norm. I was losing everything that made sense. Yeah. And, you know, there were things happening that I didn't think had ever happened in Britain.

You know, the state literally took over and it frightened people into submission. And this, and the young people suffered most because, you know, they didn't have the opportunity to socialise and to your point, discuss ideas and get at the truth. They were literally locked up. Everything was online. It wasn't, it wasn't right. The whole thing was completely wrong. Yeah, imagine if you're in high school in America and you're in California,

you're in tire senior year, you're at home. You graduate, you can't even go to a graduation, because it's too dangerous. Yeah. The whole thing was madness.

And he got, he got that right. And boy, there was a lot of pushback. It was amazing how many people

willing to do the work of the government, how many citizens were willing to enforce these ideas. It was really shocking. It was shocking to watch how many people became lemons, how many people just stepped in line. We had people writing on each other. Yeah. Oh, we did it because there were rewarding people in Los Angeles. Yeah, they're giving the financial

“rewards for telling on their neighbors that we're having parties. That's what happened in England.”

I have a tennis court in the middle of nowhere, so I used to say, come out and pay tennis. It ridiculous to stop you playing tennis outside. I mean, absolutely mad. Anyway, they used to come up and play tennis and nobody can see it. If they played it in the village,

then people would report each other. Yeah. In California, we had people report on us,

because this desk is not six feet wide. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then they also said, we were talking close to each other without masks, because there was a bunch of people that saw people walking into the studio and we shook their hand, so they were ratting on us. And so we had to put a sign up in the front door of the studio, and we had to have a bag of masks, a whole bag of mats. Do we have to have hands sanitizer too? Did we have that too? I think so. I think we had

a hands sanitizer for a while, at least. But we were getting ratting on because this desk is too close. So it's not, this does only five feet wide, so it's no social distancing. It's pathetic, shit. It was not said. It was, it was so crazy. The whole thing made no sense. And it completely

changed a lot of people's ideas about trusting experts and trusting authority. So many people thought

that the health experts in this country were literally just trying to make people healthy and didn't realize. They're trying to prop up the pharmaceutical drug cartel, and they're trying to

“make as much money as humanly possible. And the only way to do that is to force compliance. And so”

they will do whatever they can. They will keep you from flying. They'll keep you from driving. They'll keep you from going to school. You can't work. If you have more than 100 employees, everyone has to get vaccinated. They were doing crazy shit. Well, you're like, you guys are really going for it. And it worked. It worked for quite a while. But boy did it ruin young people's perspective of authority. Completely. They don't trust anybody anymore. And with good reason. Well, I think it damaged

them most. Again, it's another negative for them. And our national health service was forcing people to have the inject. You had to work in the national health service. You had to have the jabs. Yeah. And it didn't work. It didn't work. That's what's actually crazy. Actually, Western actually didn't what it created major medical problems. Right. And I, I don't personally think we see in the end of it yet. So I've got a lot of friends who have fit. They ended up having

my carditis. Yeah. Having strokes. Yeah. Having heart attacks. And at the end of the day, everybody knows somebody that has a horrible reaction to it. Yeah. Everyone. And to people that say they don't, I've had conversations with people. I don't know anybody out of side effect. I'm like, fuck you for lying. There's no way that's possible. Unless you are the luckiest person in the world and you have an extremely small social circle and out of that social circle, no one had a bad reaction

that which is very unlikely. Unless that's true like you're just lying and you're lying because you probably were supportive of the vaccine initially and you don't want to seem like you were on the wrong side of things. Well, I lost friends. I don't know about you because I people said I hadn't been vaccinated. And therefore I was a risk to their mom or their dad or their granny. Yeah, I lost a bunch of people. And I lost friends like that. But I mean, you can't just like India, you, you know,

they didn't have the jab. They used either mectin to a far greater extent than that. That was

“just as effective. I think I used to treat my, it's a warmer. I've been mectin. I used to treat”

my cattle with either mectin. But it worked. It worked well. And there were other, there were other, I think treatments which worked far better. Do you know what happened to me in America over ever mectin or you were that? CNN, like, for days was running this hit piece on me saying that I was taking horsety warmer for COVID. It is, it is. Yeah, it is. But it's also, you know, it's great for river blindness and dengue fever. Yeah. I mean, it's one to Nobel Prize for using human beings.

And they were, they were claiming on CNN that I was taking veterinary medicine. And they not only that, but they changed the color of my face. So they took a video. I was supposed to do a concert with Dave Chappelle, that weekend in Nashville. And I had to make a video saying, I'm sorry, but we have to cancel it because I got our COVID. So I said, I had COVID like two days ago, I was sick, but I'm fine now. And I explained all the stuff that I, my doctor, through the

kitchen sink at it. We took all these different things. And one of the things that I mentioned was I've remectin. And because of me mentioning that I also said monoclonal antibodies, Z pack. I talked

And they took the video and changed the color of my face to make me look green on CNN. No, CNN was CNN's not a good, not a good channel is it? I didn't know. I didn't know until I saw that. I was like, wow. I was like, do I have to sue CNN? Like, this is crazy. So is that bill hardship when you're talking about with the eyes, the worm in the eyes? Is that the bill hot so you get from the water in Africa? Um, but river blindness, I do not know what that.

I think it's cool bill hot. I think I may be really. You might be right. But I know they also, it's used to treat yellow fever, dying gay fever. It's used to treat a bunch of different things. But it, you know, it also has anti viral properties that have been demonstrated like there's

papers on it. It's very cheap. Yes. That but that's the problem. The problem is anybody can make it.

And you can buy it for like, it's like a dollar of pill or something like that's nothing. Yeah.

“And that was the real problem was that like, if you want to have the emergency use authorization”

of a vaccine that hasn't gone through the safety protocols in America, you, you, you have to have no other medications that are available that can treat it. So the reason why they went after me on CNN was because clearly I was doing it. Okay. It was three days later. And I said, I would never got vaccinated. So here's all the stuff that I took and now I'm fine. And they went crazy. And it was just concerted campaign to try to destroy me. Neil Young took his music off Spotify because he said

that he was, he was on sound. Because it said that he said that I was promoting vaccine misinformation. And he probably believed that. He probably did believe that. But he didn't know what the fuck you were talking about. He's just, he's another old boomer that just watches the news. Yes, we, I did use to like his music when I was a school lady. I still love it. Still, I still listen, I don't care. I mean, I even told a story when I made the video about how, when I was at a

Neil Young concert, while I was working at a Neil Young concert, actually when I was 19. And that was the last day on the job because the riot broke out. And I was like, I'm a huge, no, a young fan, like, I don't care. He just doesn't know. He's someone told him this or he really thinks he's doing the right thing by removing his music. Like, okay. But what you're doing is you're supporting

“this machine that is lying to people and telling people the only way to get through this is to get”

vaccinated. When, in fact, there's real, like, Udor Pradesh in India where there was just very low instances of COVID fatality, all of it was through Iver Macden. Yeah, I'm, I'm amazing, success with just Iver Macden. But again, I think the state knows that it's caused damage.

I just don't think they can admit it at the moment. No, they're not going to admit. They're never

going to admit it. They just gloss over it and move on. And some of the same people that were promoting that shit on the news, they still didn't. They still didn't. And they've lost debates. Like, Chris Cuomo got destroyed by my buddy Dave Smith because of it. Like, they're denial of the things that they were actually saying. Yeah. It was like fluoride and moisture and folic acid in bread and all the substance. Oh, that shit. It's all, yeah. It's got it. I mean, it's, it's, it's sort of

man getting high in his own supplies, never really. Well, it's also a business. That's the real problem is that there's lobbies in this country that, you know, they, they want to continue making money the same way they've been making money. Yeah. And one of the ways they do it in America is they advertise on the networks. So the pharmaceutical drug companies all advertise on all these networks. And they're an enormous part of the advertising budget. I know in England, that's not legal.

And it's only legal in America and in New Zealand. There's the only two countries that allow pharmaceutical drug companies to advertise on television. What it effectively does is it stops all criticism of any side effects. There's no stories on heart attacks. There's no stories on strokes. No stories on myocarditis. Now, if they weren't advertising and then someone was making money off of something that was killing people. That's the news. Yeah. The news would be all over it.

But they have effectively ruined their own reputation by turning a blind eye on something

“that everybody knows. But do you think that turning a blind eye? I think they know, but they”

can't admit it. Both the people, the individuals, most certainly must know someone who got something from COVID from the COVID shots. Someone, you know someone who had a stroke. You know someone who's got a neurological condition. I know way too many people for you to not know anybody. I know I have two people that I know that have pacemakers now. There's a lot of weird, horrible side effects that happened from that. If you don't know anybody that had one, I don't believe you.

Well, I know loads. I mean, my sister in law had myocarditis. I've had a friend, my best friend, had a stroke. Literally a week after having the jab. People have had problems with heart-a-rhythmia. Yeah. All sorts of stuff. And there's been some issues with blood too. Yeah. So, look, I think as usual, money probably goes to the root of it. Absolutely. And we had

something in the Britain called the Nudge team, which basically was, I mean, how the government

thought that was okay. It's a bit like when I was in football, people were hacking my phone,

and it was effectively very clever manipulation of the population. So, look, I mean, I, you can't believe that the state thinks that's okay, but they did. They did, yeah, they did, and they did an America for, depending on which city you were in, to various extents, varying extents. The California was bad. It was real bad. I mean, they closed down all the comedy clubs. They lost 70% of all the restaurants in Los Angeles. I mean, it's crazy.

Yeah, it's crazy to live California, the ally. What's that? It's a great place to live California.

“That's why people still tolerate it. I mean, if California had the weather of Seattle would be”

emptying. Yeah, it would. Yeah. I mean, it's like the reason why people are still there is because

God, it's so amazing. And there's so many cool people there, and it's so nice, and the weather's

incredible, and the views, and you could be at the ocean, and then two hours later in the mountains, I mean, it's an amazing place. It's an amazing place. I, I went on. Fill with dumbasses. Yeah, it was socialist, yeah. Unfortunately, it's been permeating, socially. That and grifters, grifters pretending to be socialist, they're essentially those people with the wolf, with the sheep wrapped around them. That's a bar, yeah. That's a large portion of

the government in Los Angeles and a large portion of the government of California in general. And the way you know this is how wealthy those fucking people are, and how it doesn't make sense, how they're so wealthy, you're making how much a year, and you're worth how much?

Cron. Yeah. Cron, they're doing crime. Correct. One of the things that happened very recently

is they just announced that the governor of California, one of the people on his staff had been wearing a wire for over a year. Do you see that story, Jamie? What's that? Well, no, no, I don't know what they got either, but this lady had been, see if you can find it. What's that? But she had been wearing a wire. She's working for the Gavin Newsom organization. Yeah. And she was working for the administration, and she was wearing a wire for the FBI, because they had been investigating him.

For, and this was during the Biden administration, they started this. So let's start this in 2024. If they're investigating him, it's supposed to be like, they must know that something's bad. Real shit is going down. FBI infiltrated Gavin Newsom's inner circle by convincing governor's ally to wear a wire. Yeah. Not good. Not good. But I think it's the same in Chicago. Oh, God. Some pretty bad sports San Francisco. I think it's good. It's a lot of people that are profiting

“off of this idea that the government should be taking care of everybody, and you should be making”

all this money from taxes. And then California spent $24 billion on the homeless, and it just got worse.

It's like, and it's so that now it's an industry. So I have this homeless taking care of the homeless is now an industry. And there's people on the homeless industry board that are making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. And it's like, what are we doing? It's the same with compliance. It's the same with, as you say, D-I. Yeah. There's a whole industry in India. In India. People making vast amounts of money on, you know, compliance, D-I. Yeah. Basically wealth creation,

which ultimately strips personal responsibility and tries to impure everybody with a very sort of maligned philosophy, which is very damaging to under the guise of being inclusive, correct. And also, you're getting wealthy. How many people from these non-profits are getting enormously wealthy? Like, this isn't saying. And that was one of the things that USA clearly uncovered. I mean, I don't know if you've ever seen Mike Benz

and some of his dexons. Yep. I'm a shocking. I couldn't believe it. There's so many hours of it. It's almost like there's too much information to digest. You listen to like an hour of it. I was like, I got to stop because I just don't know when this ends. I'm not even absorbing this. I'm just so flabbergasted by the extent of the corruption. And the amount of money that's been gone to fraud and possibly waste over the years is just staggering. But it also went all over the

world. It was a philosophy, a poor philosophy that was being exported to other countries. And particularly the Britain. I mean, we have a present called Rory Stewart. His wife was being funded

“by some of this stuff, which got shot down. Did they shot the whole thing down?”

They shot the USA. They leave a remnant of it. I don't know exactly how much they've left. But essentially it's been shut down. Of course, if there was ever a Democrat that got elected president in 2028, it would probably start that bitch right back up, open the borders right back up, business as usual. That would not be good, yeah. No, it seems like there's there was a desire to move people into blue states and then eventually get them on social assistance and then get them

to become citizens and then you have guaranteed voters. Because you want to continue this, right? You want to continue living like this? So this is the way. And then you would just completely

perspective. And I think he's right. And he's obviously much more aware of the problem in terms of like the extent that the USA was involved and these nonprofits and NGOs were involved, that seems like there was a concerted effort to do this. And it's disturbing. But again, a lack of respect for tax payer funds, which is just what we have. Yeah, UK. I mean, we need your help at the moment you've got, at least you're making a stab at returning

to some form of normality. For now, but if we don't fuck it, I mean, we went to fuck it up by going over on. I mean, this war is not something anybody that's conservative wanted. Most people don't want it except supporters of Israel. They're the only people that seem to be thinking it's a good idea in this country. Most people are horrified by the idea because Trump was elected. One of the pillars that he stood for apparently, was that he doesn't want any more wars. But he was, I came out

against it on the basis for us of royal politics, which he wasn't in the interest of the British

“nation. Right. And I think again, most of these leaders should put the interests of their”

tax paying public first. And there's only a reason to go to war if it's going to benefit

you. Yeah. And it was difficult to see what the benefit was. Although, I think Iran is a sort of malevolent state, and it is spreading very bad philosophy across, obviously, you know, you've got his blood in Lebanon, and then we've got Hamas causing a problem. So I think there are a problem, but certainly from our point of view. I mean, you're the only country with the ability to do anything about it. I mean, we had one warship, which didn't work properly when it was sent out to help.

So having goodness knows we, you know, we've spent all our money on welfare and not enough money on defense. So now we need, we need help. And I think, to your point, Elon Musk has been to my mind incredibly helpful in restoring free speech, because Starma and these Fabians, Fabian Pabloist, Halda and society, as I call them, they're sort of all, they've all got this maligned philosophy.

“And, and I think what giving us free speech has done is it's stopped them, crushing the spirit,”

of those people who do want to debate, who do want to discuss, who do want to get at the truth. However, they've done so much to stop free speech with all these arrests. It's extraordinary. Because they've also, they've incentivized people to keep their mouth shut, because no one wants to be in trouble. Well, it's, it's too tear policing. You've got a deal point about, you know, that the Palestinian marches are tolerated whereas any form of Tommy Robinson,

he's deeply disliked by the establishment. I give him credit for what he did. Again, on the grooming gangs in 2003, he was warning about this in 2003 in Looton.

Not only that, I remember people dismissing that in 2003 or four, whenever it was when I first heard

about it, they were talking about him as it was just horrible, far right extremist. I know. And that he was making up these stories about these grooming gangs and rape gangs. I remember hearing that and I remember not knowing what is it, what's accurate here, what's going on? Well, I think the accuracy is that he was right. The establishment didn't want to admit it because if we're right,

well, I think we are right about their multicultural post-war experiment. They realize it was failing because you can't justify the abuse and grooming of the most vulnerable people in your society by people who've come into the country. They should be treated equally under the law. A rape is a rape. It doesn't matter whether it's perpetrated by somebody from is from a Muslim country or a Christian country. A rape is rape. So you'll be treated the same.

What would you do to stop this? Imagine if you got into power right now, what would you do to put a stop to that? Well, we have to root it out and we have to stop it.

“How do you have to apply the law that the law of our land to the people who are perpetrating it?”

The problem is the police have institutionally been taught that they are racist and we had

Stephen Lawrence killing, which was which was didn't reflect well on the UK, but the response to it has created this fear of being being called a racist. Which is the Stephen Lawrence killing? Stephen Lawrence was in late 90s. He was stabbed by some British mistrins. Where was he from? He died. It was in London. Where was Stephen Lawrence from? Well, he was a black, a black. Oh, okay. So it's a racial hate crime.

It was a racial hate crime. Okay, and this is an English blow not, and again, you find that the racial hate crime involving any white people is now blown up, whereas the very often an increasingly

That's a funny thing to say indigenous white people. Yeah. And what I mean is real for England.

But I mean, nobody thinks about that in America. You would never say like indigenous white people.

Well, we do have an identity. Yes, of course. There's a reason why I want to pay. Yeah. Yeah, we do have an identity. But I think he is a digitalist. As I say, we've been very tolerant of people who need it help. We let them into the country. And on the whole, they have integration and they have contributed. Right. And I have no problem with that. Like you. I'm absolutely in favor of that. Right. But the only problem is that people that aren't integrating. If people

don't want to come and live and integrate and contribute, then they shouldn't come. They should remain their own country. It's also the idea of incentivizing people to illegally migrate to your country is just pure insanity. Yeah. You're going to run out of money. And you're also putting a birding on these taxpayers for no reason whatsoever. It's a bad use of their tax dollars.

But in our immigration document, we put forward the case for basically a hostile environment.

We don't want to be handing out welfare. Right. We don't want to be encouraging people to come. We want to create a hostile environment and encourage people to go unless they're contributing to go back to their own country and live there. Particularly if they don't like our culture and our laws and they don't respect us and they think we're the infidel. But do laws exist? They would allow you to export to deport those people? We would have to repeal. So that's why

“that's why it's so important. We win an overall majority in Parliament by 29 because then we can”

repeal a lot of this legislation which will then empower the nation state again. So this is the legislation that provides health care, dental, welfare, housing. This is legislation largely passed by Tony Blair and his accolades. And this was all just to encourage mass migration. I think it was to encourage this mass immigration and make it very difficult to stop it practically. Interestingly, he's quite crafted because he came out the other day trying to distance himself

from a lot of the things that he has actually created. So he's quite a cannial fox. And he does look, he looks a bit like Beels above these days. I mean he's got this white hair and these piercing sort of eyes. I can't help look at him and think of evil. But but look.

So he ultimately I think him and his team realized what they realized what they were doing.

“And he had, he had, it was all done through the law. You have to do in a country that believes in”

the rule of law. The only way to change it is through control of parliament. So you have to do it top down through the parliamentary system. So if you can repeal the laws and you can pass the laws you want to pass to an in power the nation state. And at the same time which we're doing, you need to start controlling local government as well because local governments go on badly wrong. And a lot of the failures from the rate gang inquiry weren't just the national government,

you had failure at local government as well. So are the local government willfully ignorant? Are they denying its existence? Are they in the case fighting people on it? Like, yeah, in the case of labor that they've enabled it. You know, I say, I can't see anybody can ever vote labor again after they've read this report because labor has clearly enabled this. Both at national level by denying what's been going on and at local level, where you have

local government, it happens mainly in labor controlled areas. You've got people denying completely that this has been happening. Whereas we know it's happening. We have people like Sammy Woodhouse is a victim of it who had a child by her, by her rapist. So ultimately local government has to be controlled from the bottom up and we started that process. We won nine out of nine county council seats in Norfolk. So my constituency is on the coast in England. So it's a coastal constituency.

Been very badly served by the post-war elite. So the fishermen in England have been sold down the river to the European fishermen as part of the membership of the EU. So Norfolk is a county on the East Coast. It's got rich farmland and farming is my passion. I love farming. I absolutely, it's my hobby and I love it. So at the end of the day, we have to control local government and change it bottom up and we have to then get control of national government and change it. Talk down.

I would imagine if we can do that, Jo. I truly think if we can, I truly think we can release the spirit of the British people and I think they want it. But they've got to show

“they've got to show to the ballot box that that's what they want. I'd imagine there's going to”

be an enormous amount of resistance to this kind of huge change. From organized crime, which I think we're now in the hands of, from a corrupt judiciary, from a police force that's gone wrong,

openly and it's original function. I think has been subverted. So you've got, you've got everything

to your point. The education system is wrong. So there's a lot of change that needs to happen.

“But I think fundamentally, the electorate, you saw them in 2016 vote to take back their sovereignty.”

The government wrote a letter to all the households in the UK recommending their vote to remain in the European Union. This is David Cameron. But actually the British people didn't, they voted to leave. And they didn't do it, I think, for financial reasons. They did it, because they wanted their country back. They wanted their sovereignty back. They wanted an accountable parliament in Westminster. And some of our problems emanate from the fact that

Tony Blair's reforms have undermined our parliament. So our parliament is supposed to be omnipotent. It's supposed to be completely contained the elected representatives of the people. So, so parliament is supposed to be right at the top of the chain. But what's happened is it's been undermined by these Quangos that Tony Blair set up, which is effectively created at the life of the rents of the Supreme Court. And literally there are hundreds of these Quangos that

now employ unelected people. Was that word Quango? Well Quango is a quasi-national government organization. So they are, you know, you've got all sorts of bodies, you know, the sort of barstandards board you've got loads of bodies which now prevail. You've got bodies on almost everything, which again have flourished since Tony Blair's legislation prior to that, power lay with parliament.

“So that's why they've been able to control a lot of what goes on because the two-party system,”

the blues and the reds, the tourism and labor basically have tried to outcompete each other.

So the entire parliament, a Blair took it left, Cameron emulated Blair. And you didn't actually get proper conservative thought to change a lot of this stuff that was wrong. So I think, I think I think this is an opportunity and I think it's our last opportunity and all the help we can get from you guys. When we made a bad mistake in letting you declare your independence, which you're celebrating tomorrow and first place, had we played our cards better? I think you'd still be,

it should still be part of a... I think it worked out. It's worked out pretty well for you. Not so well for us. Sorry. I think we're better off. But I do want to see, I do want to see otherwise it'd be a deal or a lot. Well, I do want to see the Anglo-Saxon world support each other.

“I think there's not enough of that. We're too fragmented. There's too much sort of”

whether it's the world economic firms. I said, whatever the reason, there's too much fragmentation and too much undermining of this cohesive Anglo-Saxon world, which let's face it, is the reason why we all have individual freedom, because as we said earlier, individual freedom is incredibly fragile. And we could we could lose it at any minute, Chair. I mean, the society that, you know, the way we look at America, when people look at it the right way, or when people are proud of

America, they look at it as a place where anybody can come and achieve your dreams. And it doesn't mean only white people, it doesn't mean only black people. It just means Americans are supposed to be a community, a team. And the fact that we're a melting pot that we're not like, you know, indigenous white people like England is part of the fun of it all that everyone's welcome. Just come over here and do your thing and follow the rules. But the problem with this country is the problem with

any country when you're being run by people that are completely corrupt and you're being run by people that are influenced by enormous corporations that don't care about the people that only care

about the bottom line, how much money they're making, and how do they, how do they rig things,

and then you have politicians that are making a hundred and seventy thousand dollars a year, but there's somehow worth four hundred million dollars. And no one questions it, no one's in jail. The whole thing is bonkers. And it's just you're always going to have crooks and you got to hold them off. You got to hold them off as much as possible. When you recognize they're in, you got to do a cleaning. You got to clean house. You got to clean house and get rid of them if you don't. You're just

going to have the problem. Just going to get worse because they're going to figure out, okay, it's just like antibiotics when you don't take the full round and the stuff doesn't really go out. You said, no, now you got medication resistant bacteria. Congratulations. Your medication has made the bacteria worse. So if you fight off the corruption a little bit and then you stop, they go, oh, well, we got to, we were close. We almost figured it all out and got it all rigged,

but now we're going to make sure that we lock people down and have even more laws and even more restrictions. And we use, you've summed up what we need to do in the UK very well. I mean,

had previously have become rotten. I think it's the right way to recognize it, too. It's in the,

“and to your point, you know, we do need to now punish people who've let us down. Yeah, it's crime.”

It really is crime and to just pretend because it's been going on for so long and that it's business as usual, that it's not a crime. Like, no, it's crime. It's just somehow another crime that's tolerated. Well, letting down people who've elected you and given their trust to you is a massive crime. It's not just letting down betraying them. I mean, we have the same as you, but to a lesser extent, because you've obviously got a form of wealth on us, but you see these

officials who end up becoming rich, and you wonder how they do it, and their own salaries,

and their taxed heavily, and yet they always seem to flourish. They never seem to be short and money.

So, I, and I look at our judiciary, which is a game now, Quangay. The judges are no longer appointed by Parliament. They're appointed by this work, Quangay. And I had an issue in Parliament, you know, I was, I, I, I challenged Parliament because to the point where I've been saying, we need to return power to Parliament. They, they have this body called the, I, CGS independent complaint agreement scheme. And in Parliament, we have this system called Parliamentary privilege. So, I can speak on

the floor of the house, and I can't be sued for light, but you can say whatever you want. That's the essence of free speech in the chamber of the Commons. Now, this, this body has actually been expressly taken outside Parliament. And the case I had against them was, they tried to say,

I couldn't, I caught them doing something, I thought was wrong, and I wanted to take them to court.

They said, "You can't take us to court because we're parliamentary privileged." Even though it doesn't, it's not the chamber. It's not an MP speaking. It's got no MPs on this committee. It doesn't report to a parliamentary committee any yet. The judges found they had parliamentary privilege. It didn't address the questions. So, this is how, this is how the elected assembly has been undermined. And this is what we have to, we have to return power to the elected representatives,

the people. There's also another thing that the, the Britain has done recently that's very disturbing, which is eliminate jury trials for a lot of, they're trying to do that. They're trying to do that. They're trying, so it's not fit, it's not established yet. They haven't yet done it, because there is, there are still a few decent labor MPs who fought against it.

“But, again, I think that's all a manifestation of organised crime, because if you control the judges,”

of course, and you can force more and more people through a judge system rather than a jury system. And so, for libel trials, I thought a libel trial when I was in football against the, the, the times, which is River Murdoch's paper. And, you know, I think I had my phones hacked, and I thought to libel trial against them. So, I knew this paper hacked your phone? When I was in football, hacking my phone every day. Wow, how are they doing it? Listening in through my voice melts.

How do they do it? And then they can black a number from the voice mail and start listening, so if you called me and left a message, they could black your number off my phone. And they thought this was okay. These were national newspapers. And again, I wanted to... What did they do into your voice mail? Well, because they, in the old days, you know, people, if people had a code to encrypt their phone and they didn't do it properly. So, it's 0, 0, 0, 0.

If you didn't change that, they got into your phone. They got into my phone, they got into lots of people's phones.

Wow. Because you never know quite how they did it, but so if you'd left me a message, they could black your number.

“And then they'd start listening to your phone and everything else. Now, I think,”

you know, that was, that was, in this case, Murdoch. But Murdoch, I think, has done a lot for the right wing course. I don't always agree with everything, and I certainly didn't agree with him hacking phones. But this all, this all goes to the point of the establishment becoming corrupted. And from corruption, I think, again, you end up with oppression. And we need to sort that out. Yeah. And I'm hoping, if I put myself up in the people agree, they will change things.

And I think they're on a fever on moods. So, I'm hoping that they will take the opportunity and give us the power to do it. I'm glad you brought that part up, because we were not really aware in America of what the general mood of the country is, like where people are leaning in what direction as far as England goes. What is it like? Or is a large percentage of the population fed up? I mean, what's going on over there? Well, I think to your point, you've got this

body of people who are profiting on the back of these concepts, which you and I would agree are completely flawed. So, they're obviously, they're obviously in control at the moment. But then you've got the body of people, this increasingly small percentage of what I call the private sector,

accounted for by the state is much, much smaller than ours. So, I mean, I'm directly and

“indirectly, I would estimate that the share of government now in our economy is over 50 percent,”

if you take the effect of these quango's and everything else. Here, you're much smaller than that. Now, that's come, you know, pre-blare, that's where we were in a very, very good economic state

and the state accounted for, you know, 33 percent something like that. It's now up to nearly 50

percent in rising. And this is what the, the Fabians want, they want a dependency culture, a sort of centrally planned, USSR style, dishing out of taxpayer funds. So, they've diminished the private sector, which they're taxing into oblivion, which has meant that a lot of our most able people of left the country. So, we've lost a lot of our rainmakers have gone. So, a lot of our best people went to obviously Italy to buy to Abbott-Dabby all over the world. Some of them would

“have come here. So, the best brains have gone. And I think the non-doms have gone, which again,”

I think it's a huge era because they've now been taxed rather than being encouraged to spend their

time in the UK. So, so, so we're being hollowed out by this socialist philosophy, which is creating damage to the private sector and in empowering the public sector. Is there a large percentage of young people that are aware of this? Oh, the young people of, I've been incredibly impressed and a lot of them support us. So, they, you know, they can see that we're trying, I think, to at least rebalance this. And until we get this right, it's going to be very difficult to sort their situation

out. Now, there's no overnight fixed these days. And I don't know, I don't know any of us know

quite what effect AI is going to have on the employment market, on opportunities for young people.

I mean, many ways, if they've got a very good brain, they've got the huge opportunity to do very well and enrich themselves. But increasing me, it's fewer and fewer people. It's not like the Industrial Revolution where the majority of people have an increasing standard of living. It's going to be very interesting to see how we all cope with this incredibly fast-moving revolution, which is what it is, which is arguably going to create some incredibly rich people.

And those people who haven't got the brain power will end up struggling. So, it's hard to see how that's going to end. But that doesn't mean to say we want a state central planning everything, we know historicity that doesn't work. And, and from that comes a sort of shut down of thought and debate and free speech and all the things that you and I love. I mean that's to me, that's a country I want to live in, I don't want to live in a centrally planned mess.

So, so we're in very uncertain times, but I'm optimistic that if you release the ability,

“the innate ability of people in Britain and particular in this case, I think we can turn it”

around still, can't guarantee it, but I'm pretty sure we can still turn it around. But we've got to happen now, if it doesn't happen now, it would have gone too far. Well, I certainly hope you can, because for America, when we see what's happening, particularly with the social media posts and the arrests, it's so disturbing for us. And then, of course, with your the rape gang inquiry report, it was impossible to believe. It's impossible. So,

you know, we hope you guys turn it around. And when is your elections? We don't know, Joe. We've got this character, Andy Burnham, who, Keistama has stepped down, as you probably know. Andy Burnham, I call him the ghostbuster. He is just a more user-friendly version of Keistama. He's been the mayor of Manchester. He stood in a biolection recently, where he was elected. And he's apparently going to be

anointed as Prime Minister by the 20th of July. So, this is a guy who up until recently wasn't even an elected politician. He's been a politician in the past. He's been in the cabinet. Keistama can just step down and put another guy in his place and that guy takes over. That's what's happening. That sounds crazy. I know. What a stupid way to run. It's bonkers.

and everybody says he might, have a snap election. I think that's highly unlikely. Labour have

got the biggest post-war majority. Why would he have a snap election? It's got three years left with a huge majority. Why would he take a risk? In Manchester, he was mentioned a mayor. He's actually in the report in the rapian report. He's mentioned in the rapian report from not doing enough in Manchester, which is a centre of rap gangs. He's involved in that. He's

“mentioned in our report. It's in that. I think the answer to question when is the election going to be.”

Some people would say he's going to have an election soon. I didn't agree with that. I think he'd be mad because I still think the public will judge Labour harshly because the economy is not going well. People aren't feeling richer. They're feeling poorer. Their businesses are struggling. Their taxes have gone up. Our taxes are at post-war highs now. And the waste is just off the scale.

“So when I'm in the public accounts committee, which I sit in, again, it's all on. You can”

watch it on people watching it on screens. It's the public accounts committee. It's the most

powerful committee in Parliament. And we question these civil servants to try and hold them to

account for the taxpayer. The waste is just off the scale. So you've got a wasteful inefficient state, which is then taxing the private sector into oblivion, the increasingly small private sector. And that's not a recipe that's going to encourage risk-taking investment. It's not, you know,

that taxing family farms, that taxing family businesses for the first time. They're basically

breaking the backbone of Britain to the Fabian point. They are enacting this Fabian agenda, which is designed to create a society that's reliant on the state. I don't want that. Nobody should want that. Well, listen, man. Thank you very much for being here. I really appreciate it. I really appreciate you taking the time. I know it's difficult to get here for this day, and this is the only day we had open. No, it's very kind of you to have me on Jonah. I know it's

some big celebrations tomorrow, sir. Good luck to you. Yeah, we're going to win. I'm amazed at the support we've got. And I'm amazed that a number of people even on the plane come up to me and thank

“me for what I'm doing and said they're going to vote for us. And I think Britain's on the turn”

and hopefully if we, if we put up shop, tell them what we're going to do, give them a chance to vote for us. If they vote for us, I should do my best to change things. If they don't vote for me, well, that's, that's their prohibitive. That's democracy. Good luck, sir. Thank you very much.