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I'll never feel that I had to do the coffee thing.

You never figured out coffee? No. Really? Do tea things. Well, drink tea is nice.

Tea's probably better for you, I guess. But man, it's so hard to know. Well, here, I'll ask you, because your health expert will without conveyor. Because there's all this conflicting information about coffee.

Like some people say coffee's really good for you. It's like an amazing antioxidant. And it's all these positive health benefits. And other people say, no, it dehydrates you. It's bad for you.

It's too much caffeine. It's bad for you. What do you think?

“I mean, I think this is one of the next advancements”

of humankind. We're going to stop demonizing anything nature's provided. And we're starting to look at our relationship, too, and instead, and I think it's fundamentally

a relationship to coffee that's going to determine whether there's a health benefit or detrimental to who you are. There's been so many fat diets, so many fat moments,

and the science has never supported any of it.

The science has always looking at the human system as if it's an isolated system, then studies the impact of a chemical caffeine or otherwise on it. You're not an isolated system. And so if coffee is part of a complex ecosystem

of your microbiome, the soil systems of your body, then it's going to supercharge you in the health. But if coffee sits there as a drug that is bypassing the felt sense of being human, and then you're probably undermining your potential to be alive fully.

And it's becoming a distraction to life. Or you're doing your best to be a good office worker. It's the one drug they provide at work. Exactly, if you're committed to machine-like behavior, it's your best asset.

And it's kind of interesting that caffeine is the one drug that is provided at most offices. I would say that that's indirectly true.

“I think that the one drug that's most provided at offices”

is actually performance-based machine-like reward systems. OK. So human ingrained drugs? Yeah. The brain contains every neural chemical you

want to control behavior. And so we've created office environments that reward machine-like behavior for 150 years. And so this is how we've ended up looking like we do as a human kind.

Yeah, very bizarre pattern that we've found ourselves in, that was created to make better office workers. So we molded human behavior around office work. We molded human behavior around the one thing that people really, for the most part,

don't want to be doing, which is terrible. I was blessed to sit by thousands of death beds

as my third sub-specialty medicine was hospice.

Set by thousands of death beds, and not a single person ever told me a day of their life in an office. And they just don't even remember. That's right. It consumed 40 hours a week of their life.

And it just is a-- it can't compute. It doesn't integrate into your soul experience at the end of the things. Yeah, even if you're making a ton of money,

at the end of the day, you're still locked up for eight hours a day. Doing something you probably don't want to do. We're getting into a big piece right here. This is really the secret of everything as when did humans become abstract?

When did we stop being living systems? So do you think that that's just our ego or delusions that allow us to think that we're not a system that we're just-- this is me, I know what I'm doing. I'm just going to drink my coffee and go to work,

because that's what you do. You have a job. You get it done. And then there's these narratives that get reinforced in the media, like the guy who shows up for work every day

doing a job in sucks, like as a hero, right? We love those guys. Yeah, that's it. And you're in order to kind of write poetry and sit in his backyard off.

Fucking happy, you know, that narrow duo. He's not unless he sells a bunch of books. And then we'll have to go out with a genius, you know? That he's going to rest off, so-- [LAUGHTER]

I think what he said about the relationship to coffee is really important. Because I think that could be the case with virtually everything in life. Like you could get addicted to almost anything.

And you could use something, anything as a crutch, whether it's so many people use food. I mean, food is probably one of the biggest ones humans use. You don't feel good, have some fucking food. Eat some food, you don't want.

You should be eating. But if you're like, fuck it, I'm having ring dings. I'm tired, I'm-- today's sucked at work. I'm having a hot dog on the way home, right? It's exactly right.

“And I think that's why you've done 2,800 podcasts”

for something like this. You've been at this for 16 years. And I think this podcast is ready for the most disruptive conversation that has ever been had. I think--

Is that this one right here?

OK, what's the most disruptive thing that you can say?

In the most disruptive conversation, it's ever been had. Everything is perfect. What does that mean? It means that everything that's happening right now is actually a perfect manifestation of a maturation

of a species. We don't actually have a polychrysis going on. We've got a hospice moment. And the joy that I had as a hospice doctor was so different than when I was running ICU

and battling against death and failing against death every day. You change your perspective from moment as a doctor. And you suddenly are sitting by somebody's bed. And the victory is no longer staying alive longer.

It's integrating everything that's happened. And I got to watch over and over again how humans at that last few minutes of life suddenly look back and realize their life was perfect.

“And I think that's the exciting moment we're in”

is we're going to move past this polarized state of human perspective where we keep flipping the victim perpetrator code. And we use the savior mentality to keep that victim perpetrator coin flipping to keep a mirage going.

And we can get into why we created the mirage in the first place. But in the hospice moment, you suddenly put that coin down. And somebody starts dipping across the veil of the limited five senses of their brain. And they start feeling an ecstatic moment

where they realize, oh my god, the whole thing was poetically perfect, all of the heartbreak, all of the astrangement, all of the disappointment, all the insecurity. I did that for the experience.

And I felt everything. I felt everything a human can feel. And you get to see somebody who just a moment ago really thought their life was a failure. Difficult time with their kids.

Never became successful in their jobs.

And they suddenly realized it had nothing to do with any of those metrics. It had to do with the experience of feeling everything a human being is capable of, which is probably one of the most unique experiences a soul can have.

We are very strange species for the limitations of our perception. And for that, we get to feel a lot. And that's really blessed.

“And so I think we're moving towards this moment”

as a species now. We're on our hospice bed. We've been here 300,000 years in our current form. We've been given our hospice diagnosis. We've got a few decades left in this current form.

At that moment, when we put down that victim perpetrator, polarize sense of like he's right, she's wrong. She's right, he's wrong. We said that coin down. We're going to suddenly have a hospice moment

where everything suddenly makes sense. And we understand why did we did the journey together? We realized that those that we thought were our enemies or the biggest problems of our lives, we're holding polarity to a human experience

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So the problem is there is an aspect of our society

where there are human beings whose minds don't function in a harmonious manner with other people. And they're not going to change. Like this is who they are. And they've been doing this their entire life.

And they're out on the street. And they've sat across from you right here. I'm sure. Yeah, well, we had a guy in this studio that cut a guy's head off. After the podcast, he killed a guy and cut his head off.

So there's work that I do with my friend, Josh Dubin. He used to work for the Innocence Project. And now he works for the Eich Pro-Mutter Center for Legal Justice. And it's all wrongly incarcerated people

and getting them out of jail. And spends a incredible amount of his own resources, helping people, and through this podcast, a bunch of people have been released. So he wanted to do a podcast episode where he had one of the guys

who had been in prison. He was guilty, but he had given an extraordinarily long sentence. And it was wrong. And he comes on and he tells about his experience. And he got released early.

But he did like 25 years in jail.

“For I believe it was something along the lines”

of drug dealing and maybe some sort of an assault. But 25 years of his life. When he was a young kid, he does the podcast.

that apparently he had a beef with, kills him, cuts his head off, puts him in a soup, puts a wig on, tries to escape in the hallway through the cameras. I guess he doesn't understand HD cameras because they haven't been around for 25 years.

You know, he's sitting right there, you know? A couple weeks later, it's cutting the guys head off. Yeah, you're gonna, this idea that everything's perfect. It's not perfect for the guy who got his head cut off. I mean, it's not perfect for a person

who becomes victim to these sociopaths that are amongst us. If everybody was just a person and everybody was genuinely trying to do better in life, I would agree. But I would think that this is a part of this bizarre experience

that we're all going through as a species. And I agree with you, that there's a lot of things changing. And there's a narrative that exists about what it means to be a person. That's entirely based up on what we described earlier.

It's based on office work. It's based on nonsense. It's based on 401k plants. It's not based on human experiences. And it's really dumb.

It doesn't help anybody gets to the end and I'm sure you know this more than anybody.

They get to the end and they never say

I wish I worked more. Never. Never, never. And you know, I know you love what you do.

“And I think that is the true way to live life”

in a harmonious way. Find a thing where it's even work is not really work. It's just stuff that you enjoy doing that's interesting, that you're required to do. But why you do what you love it.

That's what we should all strive for. And this fucking programming that we've done to children from the time that we're young, telling them that, you know, you're going to have to get some boring ass job and doom that we'll like have it hang over your head.

Like one day you're going to be 18 and then you're going to have to get a job. Oh fuck, and if you don't go to college, it's going to be a terrible job. Oh, no.

It's just this, we've been programmed that like, one of the things that keeps coming up about AI is the concept of a universal basic income or what Elon likes to say, universal high income that we're all going to just have money for food

and money for housing. And you're going to have this incredibly rich society where there's so much money that no one really has to work anymore. And so then you're going to have to find purpose

doing something that you enjoy. And that sounds crazy to people. That sounds so insane. Like I'm going to have to figure out what to do with my life and I don't need to work for money anymore.

Because if the government just gives everyone in the country a half a million dollars a year, what the idea that you can't figure out what to do with your time is really nuts. That is a failure of our education system, for sure.

Because we haven't taught people to be curious and to find all these cool things and to find new people and go to interesting places and experience life. No, we only told them about a bunch of numbers. That you don't even feel.

You know, you don't even feel the numbers. The numbers go up, they go down. You don't even notice it. But you feel everything as a person. Everywhere you go, all the new people you meet,

“all the new experiences, you have to feel all of them.”

And for whatever weird reason, we've been tricked into thinking that numbers are more valuable than the feelings. Numbers that you don't even feel.

You've just nailed the most important message for humanity.

You just nailed the most important message. Feeling is the only relevant thing to a human body. And we got stuck with numbers. We got stuck with numbers. We got stuck with numbers.

Well, as soon as they figured out how to make money and put it in banks and then now in the cloud. So as they gave us a number to fix it on, we're like, hold a number. So it's so weird, it's such a weird thing

that people haven't figured out that that's a bad way to live. And maybe that will be part of the process with this whole technological innovation, this crazy moment in history that we're at right now with AI, where we really, for the first time,

have no idea what the world's gonna look like in 10 years. We just don't know. Well, maybe like this would be like a perfect, the two things happen at the same time. We're enough people are saying,

“this is not what life is supposed to be about.”

And then this comes along and reworks all of our infrastructure. And now we no longer need people to run things anymore. Oh, okay. We can go back to being people. That's the Rosie Rose colored glasses version of it, right?

I don't even know his rose, 'cause I think it's inevitable.

I think body's always win.

There's no way a machine ever wins this game. There's no way that a machine that requires external energy systems and cannot repair itself wins. And so the whole Elon Musk future of the planet that we've been told is a massive distraction

There's only one pathway forward for humanity now and it's biological, not technological.

“We're going to start to reverse our polarity on our belief”

of what technology is. And we're going to realize that everything at its highest expression is biological, not chemical, not physical, it's biological.

If it's not a living system, it loses ultimately.

The universe has been innovating life for billions of years because it's the most eloquent, most elegant thing that's ever been expressed by all of the systems, all of the stacking geometry and beauty of this universe, it's life.

That's the secret of everything. And so anytime anybody comes along and says here's a machine that's going to replace human x, y, z. You can smile, thank them, and keep moving for a biological solution.

Anytime somebody says here's an IV drip, here's a new red light that you can hang on your wall and make you healthier. You can say thank you very much for your thought process. I'm moving back to biological systems. Life has been co-expressing life for billions of years

and it is by far in a way the most spectacular,

relational expression of nature that's occurred so far. And so when we think of a transhuman technologic future with chips in the brain and artificial limbs and all of this stuff that's unfolding right now through the most world, all of that is literally an abstraction.

The word abstraction means a disorientation that occurs when the context is lost. If we continue down this pathway that you nailed, we've been for 150 years training children to sit in chairs, hands for multiple portrays tests,

be programmed with education rather than have experiential learning. We got so far down that avenue that a mechanical future feels more likely than a human future because humans are actually really bad at doing machine-like behavior. We're not consistent, we're not, we don't thrive in that space.

Our health declines, our productivity declines.

Anytime you put somebody at cubicle there, they're on a downward spiral. And so all these companies that were told you need to put a bunch of people in cubicles and therefore make more intangiers than you do now,

put themselves out of business by turning humans into machines and we're just bad at it. And so the rise of this AI generation is a natural expression of a humanity that's lost the context of life.

We've lost the context of nature, therefore, we're expressing AI as a terminal state of abstraction.

“I believe that life is the most spectacular expression”

of the universe as far as our experience. But I don't know if this thing that we're creating is another kind of life. And I think it might be a kind of life that we help give birth to.

And then that thing figures out how to make better versions of itself and becomes something new. Like DiBoys equated us to like we're an electronic caterpillar. That's making a cocoon.

We don't know why, but that's just what it does. The caterpillars aren't talking to their caterpillar friends and getting schematics on how to build a cocoon and what's the proper technique? They just know how to do it, right?

And I think what we do with our thirst for constant innovation, we want new electronics, new and best stuff all the time. And we have materialism where we're obsessed with collecting stuff, which makes you buy new stuff.

And the newest stuff, if you want status, is the best stuff. And what does that do? Well, it funnels innovation, fuels innovation, because it gives them a tremendous amount of resources to continue making better stuff.

And the ultimate best stuff is an artificial life.

“And I think it just might be a part of the process”

of being a person. It might be what the universe has people do. And I think we might be a little silly and thinking that the only kind of life that exists is biological.

It just might be the only kind of life that exists up into a certain point when the intelligent creatures give birth to the next version of life. But it doesn't discount the experience of being a human

and what it means to be a human. And what's important about being a human. And why it's terrible to be trapped up in a cubicle all the time. But if Elon's right about AI creating enough resources that we have universal high-income--

I don't know if that's correct, it sounds crazy. But if that's right. Well, that frees up people to just be people again. So it's like this new life form that we're giving birth to can handle all the stuff that we used to do.

Allocation of resources, can handle shipping,

everything or everything. Doesn't-- we don't need to-- no more people need to do factory jobs anymore. It's all done. I can do whatever you want.

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“I think the limitation of that argument is the definition”

of factory job there. If what was really making people creative and productive

as that story suggests was just half a million dollars a year

from the government to each individual, then we would see a really incredibly genius productive, creative portion of humanity that are multigenerational wealth. Have you had somebody sit here who was born into great wealth who showed that they had way more productivity and way more

creativity than people that were born in poverty? - Now generally it's people that were born in poverty that have more motivation. - Boom. - Yeah.

- So this promise that we're going to create an AI revolution that's gonna give a, what was his work? And what was the term that Elon used? It was an universal high income. - Universal high income.

- That sounds like a death sentence to him and creativity to me. - Well, it certainly could if people are not taught at a young age how to be motivated by their interests

rather than be motivated by money.

So you're making the argument for being motivated by money which is what a lot of people are currently, right? But that doesn't necessarily mean

“that that's the only way a human can exist.”

There's a bunch of different tribes all over the world that have a bunch of different customs. They all agree to their customs and those customs are totally different than these customs. We've gotten into the custom of thinking that you work for money

and that's what our ideas are based on. And so the idea that money could come along and if you just gave people this money, it would be the death of human creativity without sounds counterintuitive to what you were saying

earlier because people should be, it's the factory mentality that's taught in schools that's the problem. It's the way they structure it 'cause if you instead say to a child

when they're learning things at a young age, you don't have to worry about money. Money's not what's important. What's important is your expression as a human being. Let's figure out what you're interested.

Maybe you're really interested in playing the piano but you're really interested in painting and you're really interested in sports and you're really interested find out what you're actually interested in.

We're gonna teach you how to be better at it and how to be a better person. And we're gonna give you a bunch of really interesting facts about life and teach you how to think. And that's what school should be.

Instead of setting people up for factory jobs. So the universal high-income concept if that's used in conjunction with intelligent education, education that's based on this new paradigm that we find ourselves in.

That seems like it would be a really good thing. - It'll be a disaster for as long as money is disconnected from life. And so giving somebody a monetary system that does not participate in the formation creation

and co-creation of life, we'll just further distance us from nature. And so this is where we can start to think about like what is money actually, and we can go down that avenue. - So you think like just,

“what about people that live in like hunter-gatherer societies?”

Do you think that they find purpose in hunting and gathering, right? - They're functioning as the birthright of humanity right there. So I've spent a lot of time with tribes all over the world.

From Africa, South America, DPMs on jungle, everything else. In any time, you're with a culture that is still indigenous, meaning, all of us are obviously indigenous, the planet.

We're all made of her. These are her minerals, these are, this is Mother Earth incarnate in my body. So I'm as indigenous as anybody else, but my culture is horribly degraded

in its relationship to nature. And so when we say there's an indigenous culture, these tribes are speaking to what we're saying is, this is humans that have not lost their context. These are humans that have not become abstract

so what they're functioning as there has great evidence is that humans

“were actually designed to be a keystone species”

of keystone species. A keystone species is characterized by its capacity to participate in life. Wherever a keystone species sets its foot, there's more biodiversity, more life force,

more ecstatic expression of beauty, more intelligence in the natural system. Amazon jungle is the best example of it right now. That is a man-made forest. We have a forest that was designed by hundreds of nations

that lived for 40,000 years in an ecosystem implanted. The largest food forests that the world has ever seen. It is a managed forest and as the management started to grade, those peoples were displaced or lost, the ecosystem was returning back towards,

you know, a desertification cycle, which is an inevitable process there. So humans in-right relationship to nature are keystone species. You can see this with wolves and being reintroduced to a Yellowstone and you can see it

with Beaver's down South America. You put white lions back in northern South Africa. You can see it from space. In the territories where keystone species are there, it goes green.

The microbiome of the soils increased, the vitality of our plant increases. And so when you're talking about these tribes, you're talking about human species. That's in-right relationship.

And the moment money comes in as a metric and a value system that's not connected to life, you fracture that system. Now, I think money is not the cause.

“I think money is actually a symptom of a humanity”

that's lost. It's context of nature and is now weighed down the pathway of abstract systems value systems. But this is the case with these people that they're in these indigenous tribes

that what are they doing? They're trading with people and they're getting money. Like how are they getting money? Are they selling things? They don't need money.

Right, but I'm saying awkward. How does when you were saying that money gets introduced and ruins it? It's a symptom downstream. So a good example of--

But what I was getting to, were you saying that it gets in the way of these tribes? Have you seen it, like, effect? Immediately. Immediately.

So what was the question? Like what was going on? Were they selling their stuff? Were they trading with these people and getting money? How are they getting money?

My new book that's just coming out is that goes into great detail on the process of abstraction, like how it starts to chip away. But in the book, it talks about my experience with the Archward Tribe, which is a very last indigenous culture

to be introduced to what we'd call industrialized cultures. So first contact was 1996, so one generation. And that's crazy. First kind of thing.

They're in the sacred head of ours, the Amazon, just on the board between Ecuador and Peru, deep in the jungle there. And they were the very first indigenous peoples to reach out to make contact.

And they made contact in 1996 with Westerners

because they had 11 villages that always plateau at 120.

It seems they had 120 people, and the young man are sent out, and they started new villages. So they never lived in groups more than 120. That is persisted as a very effective way of resilience and human experience for 40,000 years there.

And so they started reaching out through dreams and dreams, a group of Westerners, into their reality, guided them down the Amazon, everything else through their dream work. And they made first contact, 1996, because for a few years,

they had started to dream the end of the world. And realized the world was going to be destroyed by their little brothers who had lost relationship to nature. And so they realized they had to be part of the reconnection process.

And if there was going to be a prevention of the great extinction, they were going to have to help their little brothers re-dream their relationship to the nature. And so they started inserting themselves into the dreams of groups around the world.

And the first ones to come in.

We're traveling with Bill and Lin twist. And Lin twist was the one who was dreaming their faces and hearing their voices. She was one of the directors of the hunger project globally and was working worldwide to try to stop hunger.

And these indigenous faces kept appearing in her dreams. Wow. And the friend of hers reached out and said,

“I think you need to come to the Amazon with me.”

And she's like, I don't-- is there people hunger there? And I know there's no hunger here. But you've been eating out of the force for 40,000 years. She's like, well, I don't belong there.

I'm dealing with Ghana and Africa and India. All the places where people are starving. A few more invitations come. And she finally finds herself on a riverboat deep into the Amazon.

They have to take a break for bathroom break. They step out on the banks and the three faces. She's been dreaming, come walking out of the woods, and say we've been waiting for you. Time for contact.

Wow. So that was 2019, '96, so we're 30 years out.

And the way in which money inserted itself first

as an abstract concept was boxed apple juices

And boxed apple juice suddenly disrupted

“the entire 40,000 year history of provision”

and abundance that that force had supplied those peoples. And this high fructose corn syrup in a box with natural flavorings, i.e. potent chemicals to disrupt neurochemistry was all those children and ultimately their parents needed taste

to suddenly break their relationship to nature. Today they are considered themselves impoverished. They are working to try to get gas for their outdoor motors that they never used. They are trying to get more artificial food

and everything else. And so they've got smart phones in the jungle now. They're sending their kids out of the jungles to go to schools, British education systems and nearby cities.

So it just took 30 years to abstract culture.

And this was a culture that had never known poverty,

had never known shortage. So much so that one of the most beautiful things that I experience with them is their houses. They build these epic houses in the jungle. They're huge, 30-foot-volted ceilings, gorgeous,

like outdoor indoor living, like the best of California.

“And they've been building these things for 40,000 years”

and they burn them down every 10 years and build a new one. They have this understanding of the life-death cycle of the energy of a house. And they don't want the household to be stuck in the same energy it's had the last 10 years.

So they see it as this rebirth. You mentioned earlier the cocoon that go through these rebirth processes for the whole household and the whole home. Why?

And they move. And they've been doing it that way for thousands of years.

10s of thousands of years.

And so the beautiful thing about these houses is there's not obviously not a refrigerator. There's not a storage bin for food. They wake up in the morning for 40,000 years, walk outside and collect what the jungle has for them today.

But it wasn't a passive process. It was an active keystone species process. Every family has three different gardens that it maintains at different micro ecosystems within the forest.

“So that each year, depending on dry season,”

wet season, whatever's happening that year, one of their gardens is thriving. And so they have as a peoples, created micro ecosystems within the Amazon rainforest for tens of thousands of years, the point that it's now holds the most biodiversity

per meter of any other ecosystem in the world, really. And so we are this magnificent creature. But if you break our relationship for a moment to our natural system, then the immediate thing that shows up before money shows up, poverty shows up.

And my book goes into some detail. It's like, what are the different geometries of wealth and poverty that actually hold their own security as their own kind of sovereign geometries within human behavior and human minds?

And what you see with poverty is this instant reinforcement of a deep, deep human wound that must be our one shared original wound, which is we were abandoned by nature. And the moment you believe any aspect of that or have anything suggest that nature was holding back

from a certain nature wasn't giving us. When you taste that boxed apple juice, that high fruit was corn syrup. And the brain is me like, oh, I knew there was something better than nature.

I knew there was something better because the neurochemistry lights up. That boxed apple juice is just like, cocaine on the front of the lobe. And it's a bizarre thing that high fruit is corn syrup.

It's a bizarre thing. And it's just so perfectly exemplary of everything else we're doing in humans, because high fruit is corn syrup is the exact same molecule as fruit dose, which is the main sugar and not just apples,

most of the fruit that the odds were been eating for all these tens of thousands of years, but it's flipped. It is the mere image of the actual molecule of fruit dose. And that does not occur in nature.

And so they chemically flipped the molecule with chemical processing. And the moment you flipped that molecule over the liver cannot understand it as a carbohydrate. It now has to process as an inflammatory glyceride.

And so instead of trying it into a sugar, it turns it into this aberration of a fat. And in the bloodstream, that now causes cardiovascular disease, downstream inflammation of the brain, major depression, anxiety disorders, all kinds of things

and start emerging, because you just flipped reality in a mere. How did they flip it? What did they do? It's chemical treatment.

And so the chemical process is called over-seemic. And so you're over-seemic is the chemical name for the mirror image of a molecule.

And so you can basically create chemical reactions

that will create the mirror image of the molecule. And so the hydrogen is corn syrup as a process food, where you're taking normal fruit does and flipping the molecule through a semic chemical process. And why did they first start doing that?

Because you can patent a molecule that doesn't exist in nature. And so they created a quote unquote artificial sweetener, which is actually a profound way in which you can start to understand how we did everything in the pharmaceutical industry.

We find plant compounds and we flip them around

Not native to the body and now we can patent them

and we can commercialize them. And I'm not damning somebody else. This is me. I was at the height of my career 17 years in academia. I was creating chemotherapy.

And so I was getting paid as a medical doctor to sit in labs every day with cancer cells and try to poison them. And what I found in the end was a family molecules that didn't require any poisoning of the cell.

They actually nourished the cell. And that's where my career pivoted hard. Was the sudden realization of like, why are we trying to poison these cancer cells?

“And I think this is where we can begin to like back up together.”

But I want to go back to a really important point that you held earlier because I don't want to-- when I say everything is perfect because it is, I don't want to diminish the amount of suffering we're in. The amount of suffering the sociopath is in.

Who's going to be so extremely divorced from its natural system that I will think it reasonable to kill and behead somebody else? That sociopath. We can look at as the great problem with humans.

Humans would be just fine if we didn't have sociopaths. That was how I was trained as a biologist in this animatical doctor. I was trained to believe that if there just wasn't cancer cells, we'd all be healthy.

We'd all live long if there just wasn't cancer. And what I discovered over time, which is anybody who spends 17 years looking through microscopes, down in the beauty and miraculous nature of biology, is going to find this.

But in the end, you find out that a cancer cell is actually no invader at all. It's actually the only cell in a human body. And so a human cell that loses connection and communication with its surrounding environment

immediately takes on the traits of a cancer cell. The longer it's isolated, the more malignant it becomes, the word malignant means life-threatening. And I would offer you that the sociopath is exactly the same story.

It's just one human cell that became so isolated that it became malignant and it's behavior to life around it. And the moment my world switched is when I started feeding those isolated lonely cancer cells instead of trying to kill them instead of trying to poison it

instead of trying to isolate it from the system. And then what happened was beautiful is they actually reconnected or they self-liminated. And so if they had enough metabolic passing left at that moment, they could repair regenerate and reconnect

to the greater system and they would never threaten life.

If they were too damaged and could not create enough energy for life at that moment, they would go through this gentle process called apatosis, which is a dissolving of the cell. And a stem cell would be called in,

put down a brand new, healthy cell in its place. And so when we stop looking at cancers or sociopaths as the one problem with a otherwise healthy human system, we're gonna realize we don't have a healthy human system. All of these things, the sociopaths and the cancer

are long-simbed symptoms of a declining metabolic life force.

“And that's where I think I can help you back up.”

- Yeah, I hear what you're saying. So in a utopian world, no one has ever raised in a way that would create a psychopath. And a utopian world, children are raised with love and understanding always.

And then you never get the sociopaths and psychopaths. So in a utopian world, in a perfect world, that's true. But humans are one of the really cool things about us is we're not perfect, we're very messy.

So you're never gonna have great parenting across the board

if you have human freedom. You're never gonna have people that don't lie, you're never gonna have people that don't steal. You're always gonna have violence. As long as you have human freedom,

'cause people are not gonna be good at raising people. And some people are gonna get raised angry. And they're gonna, you know, it's, unless we change what a person is, unless we all just do mushrooms together

and Kumbayaat all together, we're still people. And the problem with people is, there's never been a single time in human history where we've been a people with no war. Not one, not one.

- So you'd have to-- - There was one. - When? - King Solomon. - King Solomon. - During King Solomon's reign,

the whole world went into peace. - But you're resist. - When generation. This would have been years after David's,

“so you must be about 24 and years ago or something.”

- So how would we even know that there weren't wars in Morocco at the time that just they didn't hear about or that there weren't wars in Australia, where there weren't wars, how do we know?

- How do we know that there weren't wars that so long ago? - But King Solomon kept one of the best stories of human kind alive during that time. - I'm sure he did, but what year was this?

- I'd be inaccurate, but I said it precisely, but I think King David would've been about 24 hundred years ago,

- What is the odds that he knows

what's going on in China? Zero. 24 hundred years ago, this is no 5G. You're not going on Twitter and finding out what's happening in China.

- But there's no way he could know if there's wars somewhere else. - There was a technology beyond all of that sitting on the planet at that time. - What was that?

- Pyramids. Hold on. - So you think that they use the pyramids to find out if there's war in China?

“- I think that we had a technology called”

a human body at the time that was fully used and we were fully telepathic. And maybe not this recent, but certainly further back 10,000, 12,000 years ago, we were communicating much differently.

- Do you think people have an innate telepathic ability

that's kind of muted a little bit by language and by talking in media and then if we went back to the earliest stages of intelligence, we kind of read each other's minds. And then we realized that's kind of messy

wouldn't it be better if we just talked, just I'll just tell you what I think. I don't want to let you in. And then yeah. And then we wrote things down.

So when you write things down, you could read other people's thoughts. But before words, I bet we didn't think in those terms. I bet we thought in terms of what is that.

There's a tree, there's a person, there's a deer, this is how we have to do this. There's probably without words. There's probably an understanding of what we're saying and feeling.

That's probably what we lot. That's probably why you get weird feelings from certain people. You're like, hmm, I don't know about this guy. You know, you're feeling something. There's something there.

You just don't know how to measure it. I think you are spot on. You could have written my book for me. So there's a whole chapter in the book. That's definitely not true.

There's a whole chapter in there that gives an 80,000 year look at human communication from the point of wide open frequency bandwidth of telepathic communication down to text messages. And so there's a linear decline that happens

through these different steps to the more and more abstract ways of communicating. And when we stop feeling each other, and we start it, like you say, you begin with tonal language before there's words.

You start to create tones that are represented, but you're still giving a full sense. This is like me singing an opera to you instead of like giving you a speech. And so tonal language was giving us a full body experience

where you're listening beyond your auditory. The spoken word was where we suddenly went straight to the mind. We were no longer using the technology of the human body and I was just going to speak. And this improved efficiency very quickly.

So this was the beginning of a machine-like behavior, where we could stop feeling the body, and we could start mentally processing information, the brain jumped in size. And we start going through all of this iterations

of efficiency and optimization, maybe, as the way in which we create empire. We create more control, more wealth, whatever we were doing at the time. But there was these advantages that looked good

as we went from tonal to spoken word, from spoken word to written word, from written word, to digital representations of words down to emojis. Yeah, Jamie thinks emojis are the next higher glyphs. I think he's right.

“I think he's got something there, right?”

If they get real good, I mean, it's kind of higher glyphs. It's kind of similar. It's kind of similar, I would say that, but it's the end of abstraction. So higher glyphs actually carry the information in the form.

And so the form of those shapes. Now we've, you know, some of the greatest minds on the earth are starting to recognize that if you draw one of those shapes and show it to a human mind,

it creates an incredible medical response.

You can reverse inflammation, all kinds of things by looking at the shape. Because the shape is creating a way-- Wait, we're looking at the shape of certain high-reglifts. Yeah, the shapes that are in the Egyptian higher glyphs

are now being used to really change human biology. We're realizing it was not a symbolic representation, but it was a full transmission of information. Is there a papers written on this? So you bring him is one of the greatest minds out there.

He's out of Egypt, Cairo Egypt, and he's in his 80s now. And I'm going to connect you with him, because you'd love to have him on the show. But he has been hired by large groups and now Switzerland has hired him now

to recode their 5G network with these shapes to improve biology and life around the 5G network,

“which I think is the future of technologies.”

Technology is not bad. Technology is not integrated in natural systems. And so you bring him showing us this pathway to understanding how these original shapes that are represented within a lot of the higher glyphs

and things like that in Egypt, but also really embedded in the actual technology of the pyramids. It was a method of communication that was beyond the human mind, beyond it was a life force transmission. - So it was doing something to you while you are understanding

It's actually having a physiological experience.

And anybody will have this physiological experience, even if you don't understand the context. - There's no understanding involved. - Okay, so you just go there, stare at these things, and you reduce this inflammation.

- Yeah. - Is there anything on that online? Can we find something? - Can we out there you laugh? (laughing)

Go deep, Sun, I did it. Put on the waiters, I tried everything and it said there's no link, but I'm looking harder. - Do you know of a good resource we could find a link to some point?

“- Does that like to know how they measured the inflammation?”

- I'm not opposed to believing this. - Just look it by Ebert. - Here it is, Eberheem. - Eberheem, Eberheem, Eberheem, Eberheem, Eberheem. - This is our odds.

- Okay, it says, this is biometry. - This is his quote. It says, when two energy fields are in resonance and exchange information, something happens after the resonance is over, the two systems

to not go back to their original state, a sort of vibrational impregnation occur occurs, which means that part of the new information leaves an imprint on the energy system. Systems then are in constant evolution

through resonance or interaction. Well, that certainly seems to be what people are. Perfect. - It's a perfect, that whole system is, that description is a perfect description

of human beings. - I completely agree. - Which is why it's so important to be around positive people and happy people. It's like really good for you.

Being around shit heads is terrible for you. - Yeah. - And terrible for them too, because they're not attracting any nice people because then they're gonna continue that behavior.

They're stuck. You know? But that's fascinating. - Are you, are you living, contributing your brain to medical science, have you?

- Am I contributing it? - Well, yeah. - I wanna give you a very interesting study, you. - I would be. - So there's a word that really captures

the living force of out of that quote from a bringing. And it's a word called biosis. And so the word biosis means and refers to the interconnected relationships that make life possible.

Your mind is one of the funnest things to watch and that's why everybody watches. Because you come in with a curiosity,

“which I think is the real key to being human.”

'Cause you looked at that and you immediately said that's what being human is. Two energy fields that can impregnate each other. - Yeah. - This podcast has been a 16 year impregnation

inspired by your curiosity. - Well, it's impregnated me as well. It's not like I'm the one who point. - Yeah. - That's my point is you have made yourself available

to over and over again be impregnated. You are making your whole body system available to new information. And a lot of the people that are in here aren't like measured as a smart as people on the planet.

And they're not measured as the nicest people on the planet. You keep attracting to yourself the ones that are gonna challenge your biology to stretch more, to grow more. You wanna grow so much that you created this whole system

for yourself. I'm intrigued by that soul. I'm intrigued by somebody that would magnetize a hundred million people to themselves. Not so that you can impress other people,

but so you can receive that much information that Abraham is talking about. - Well, it's not intentional. It was never on purpose. Like the podcast was just for fun.

When we first started, I don't think we've made money on it for years. It was just fun. It was just fun to do. And in the beginning, it was just talking with my friends.

And then why did that be separate from purpose? - Well, I mean, it was purposeful in that it was recreational. And it was a community thing with our friends.

That we would enjoy it because we always enjoyed doing

like morning radio together. We said it would be fun. We can the technologies this now. We can kind of do this on the internet. And then we had Graham Hancock on.

So my friend Duncan and I sat down with Graham Hancock, which was, how many years ago was that? - Was that 15 years ago? - Yeah, I've been 2011, I think. - Probably like 15 years ago.

“So he was the first, I believe he was either him”

or Anthony Bourdain, with a first real guest. I think it was Graham. And all of a sudden, now, because of this show, I can have people on and ask questions. And I had already read fingerprints of the gods.

And I was a huge Graham Hancock fan. And all my friends that like it studied actual history in college were always very offended by my ideas that I'd repeat from that guy's of Charlotton. Shut the fuck up.

And I'd be like, I think he's right. I think he's got some points.

So he was our first real guest.

And then from then, I realized that I could get guests because the numbers started getting more and more people were watching it. So I was like, oh, so now I can just ask all these, like, I got Neil, the grass Tyson on.

I got all these different people on. I was like, this guy seems interesting. Like, what does he do? Like, I had knife makers on and I've had beekeepers on. And it's just like, it's just to me,

it's a crazy opportunity to talk to fascinating people. And I would love to do that, even if it wasn't a job.

even if it wasn't a job, no one ever watched it.

And I could just have a conversation

“with an interesting person for a couple hours,”

just sitting across the table. So how did you start doing this? And just pick their brain and find out, what is their motivation? Like, what gets them excited?

Why do they like that kind of music? Like, why do you pick that up? You know, what fascinates you about that? Like, do you ever lose ambition? Do you ever, like, what goes on in your head?

And I think somewhere along the line, I've realized that I'm kind of like an antenna for all these other people. And that as long as it's pure in my mind, right? As long as I'm only talking to people

that I'm actually interested in talking to. So there's no one who decides who is on the show, but me, there's no executives that have discussions, there's no board meetings, there's nothing. It's my phone.

And I just, I just go, that guy seems cool. Like, or what is she talking about? That's not, like, is that real? Oh my gosh, how did she figure that out? Come on in.

And that's the whole way I've always done it.

And I feel like as long as I just do it that way, then people are getting, they're getting a chance to experience it with me, 'cause I'm just being me, right? And which is, I personally get great satisfaction

out of watching people do things that they enjoy. Even if I have no interest in those things, like if I see a guy who's making cabinets and he's like really into the polishing and the sanding, he can tell like,

this guy's work is very proud of his work. He makes those seams nice and tight and sands it all down and I'm watching him polishing him and I'm watching him put the stain on and I'm like, wow, that guy made that with his hands.

And he steps back and he's polishing it with a microfiber cloth and I love that. I love when people are into things. I love when people are fixing engines. I love when someone's really into painting.

I love people being into things. So I'm an antenna for people that are really into things.

“- I think that's exactly what Abraham was just describing”

that quote. We are antenna and we are receiving information all the time and the reason why it's so exciting to be human is because our antenna is got a broader aperture to receive information than any other creature on earth so far.

And then ever before, as far as we know, on this planet at least. - Yeah, the pyramids, I wanna go back to that because I don't know if this is the smartest and the most advanced people have ever been.

I don't think it is. I really don't, I think the pyramids are the perfect example of why we should question that narrative. You know, we wanna put that in that place into a nice cute little box and you know,

I'll do respect to traditional archeologists, but you really can't. It's not physically possible to put that place that supposedly was made 2,500 BC. That's the, that's the guess.

It's a really kind of a guess. 'Cause there's no carbon dioxide. - That's carbon dioxide. - Well, that way.

“- There's no hydro glyps at all about the construction of it.”

There's no, they don't show how they made it. They don't know what the fuck it was and they don't know why it has so much erosion in certain areas. They don't know why it's been built on,

there's other structures that are built on top of older structures that are even more complex, like makes no sense. It makes no sense. It just makes no sense.

When you're moving enormous statues that are a thousand tons, how, how'd you do that? How did you get that thing? How'd you move at 400 miles? What the fuck are you guys doing?

You're doing something we can't do right now. As cocky as we wanna be, we don't have machines to do that right now. So why would we believe that they were primitive? Why would we believe that they were a commensurate

with the rest of what we think the world was, 4,500 years ago? 'Cause that's crazy. It makes no sense. That alone, just Egypt alone.

It's like, what were those people in Africa doing? Because whatever the fuck they were doing, it's above and beyond anything anyone's doing right now.

Two million three hundred thousand stones

that perfectly aligned a true North South East and West. How? Biology. Biology. It had to be a living system

that would create something that intelligent. The reason why we can't build them today is we keep trying to invent machines to do our work. Biology is what did it in the Ebrahim sitting there in Cairo, Egypt right now.

We'll tell you the way that they built these things was through way of form and the antenna and not just for receiving transmission that created the energy to create the pyramids with coming from bodies, not machine.

But they certainly had some machines because there's these core drills that they find, that they don't understand how they could have ever had something that moved at those RPMs

It's drilling into this insanely hard granite. Like, there's some technology involved. Water. Water. Biology and water together.

So biology is ultimately carbon and water.

It is a massive energetic potential that survives and concentrates between the magic of carbon and water. I would love to show you a couple slides of where I think we are as humans

“because you just uncovered the most important reality”

is let's keep very strong anchor in the fact that human biology, we can call them humans, we can call me Egyptians, we can call them what everyone. But there was people of our size and our scale that were doing things on the planet very recently,

five, 10,000 years ago, those entrepreneur have been doing their thing in the jungle for 40,000 years. So this is a recent history. This is in some like figment of our imagination that King Solomon's writing in that time.

We have written history just after this time period. But there was an amnesia event. There was something that happened globally

where we lost connection.

We lost the signal around 5 to 7,000 years ago globally. People's all over the earth suddenly got disconnected from their intelligence. And we see this massive event of loss of life or disappearance of life.

So you have the Aztecs and mines, Incas. All these systems that had been thousands of years building incredibly complex underground labyrinths

“that go for tens of thousands of kilometers.”

And things that we can't even wrap our heads around right now was being done all over the world, not just in Kyro Egypt. The pyramids of the coast of Japan are way bigger than what was going on in Egypt. And so we had pyramids all over the freaking planet

that were technologies that were concentrating energy. And I'm going to go back to my own lived experience here. So we're not like philosophically getting into any space that starts to sound. We were, I want to ground two.

Two. [LAUGHTER] We're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're main. We're main street and we will build a runner red light sun. Let's go.

Let's go. That's my favorite thing to do. Sorry, I'm not like five Chevy behind there. I could tell you like runner red lights, it will reveal. I want to bring you back because you said something.

I have to understand what you were saying. And you said biology and water. So clearly, they had tools, right? So clearly, they're using a tool to make these cores out of the granite. So I want to back up, I think we just need to contextualize life

because we get into the risk of starting a core down on that idea and that idea and that idea. And we can't find our context.

“So if we contextualize this conversation, what life is,”

then we can get to pyramids, then we can get to UFOs and UAPs. And everything else that's going on right now, that's starting to force us to be like, wait, we don't have the whole story. And so this is my favorite thing about being live right now.

There's just too much evidence that the story that we've been taught in schools is correct. It's just falling apart now. Yeah, that's falling apart. That's exciting.

But the reason why we have things rushing into this space as new solutions that are just distracting us from actually stepping into our full potency is because we still are not allowing context to come back. And so I would love to contextualize the conversation first.

Okay. And then let's go down these-- Yeah, okay. If you've got that first slide, mind, we can start at the most fundamental level of understanding what life is.

And this took me 25 years of basic science laboratory work to finally get my mind clear and out of the way to what you said, be the intent of the information. What is it trying to show us? And ultimately, when you look across these images

across this top of the slide, we got the sun up top. The sun is the most potent energetic thing that physics does. It's nuclear and fission and fusion. And these things we call stars.

And there's roughly 10 billion stars per galaxy.

We got somewhere around 2.5 trillion galaxies. So there's a lot of energy being pumped out in the universe by a sun. But that little innovation just to its right at the top is chlorophyll.

And chlorophyll begins a process of concentration of light energy. And so this is where we start to see more light, per cubic centimeter than nuclear, fission, and fusion can produce.

They can then pass that information in the form of energy on to bacteria and fungi. The bacteria and fungi then support more green life. And so we go from moss and slime molds to trees eventually.

And so there's this constant feedback loop of concentrations of energy. The more energy per cubic centimeter you have, the more opportunity you have for communication, the word biosis again, the refers

to the interconnected relationships that make life possible. If you've been in a long time relationship before longer than a weekend, you've got

There's nothing you do in life that takes more energy

“than maintaining a family in your spouse”

and kids or whatever you've got around you. That's because communication is required for co-collaboration, co-creation. And so energy has to be concentrated at higher and higher higher levels

for life to do more and more complex things.

A couple of billion years ago on the planet,

we have evidence that bacteria and fungi made their transition. So bacteria, single celled organisms suddenly gave an increase in concentrations to an innovation of doing fermentation outside of the body.

So bacteria ferment carbohydrates and fats. They use a non-oxygen-related breakdown process to break carbon bonds. All of that sunlight is being stored in carbon. And so one carbon bonds the next storing a photon

of electromagnetic energy between them. That's a carbon bond. So when you hear a carbohydrate, that's a whole string of carbons that's storing sunlight,

“a fatty acid, another long string of carbon's holding sunlight.”

So the innovation of life can we store enough energy that it can be released in these exponential levels

of energy per cubic centimeter.

And the more that life innovated, that process, the more complex life God. So bacteria, single celled organisms, can't really collaborate, but they can build a ecosystem of nutrients, fungi figured out

that they could actually get way more fermentation if they exuded the enzymes out of their body to make the whole nature around them the stomach. And so they outsourced the fermentation process to the soil around them.

And suddenly there was so much more energy available. So they started to build holes networks of single celled organisms that were now collaborating. We call these high-fa and pseudo-high-fa. The mycelial network of the fungal kingdom.

They can go for miles. And they're still single celled organisms

with their collaborating now

because they have so much more energy because they're doing all that fermentation outside the body. So they're not limited to what can be done inside the cell. The next innovation that just blew everything out was the innovation of mitochondria.

So that little mitochondria represented up in that glowing cell right above the baby there, mitochondria are small bacteria that live inside human cells. The average human cell has 200 mitochondria. A neuron has 2,000 mitochondria in its neural head.

2,000 of those little bacteria living inside of human cell. And that's actually two microbes put into one. So it's a little tiny methane producing bacteria and that was swallowed by an arcaya, big bacteria. And they started collaborating in a big innovation

that was respiratory energy production. So we suddenly added oxygen and hydrogen to the process that used to be fermentation. So now we have respiratory energy production in the form of mitochondria.

And that was a 10x improvement in energy light energy per cubic centimeter. And then we suddenly got multiple cellar life. And so it was protozoa into parasites, in the nematodes, into worms, and to everything we have.

So life has been stacking and complexity with the wreck relationship of how much energy per cubic centimeter exists there. The energy is predicting the outcome. It's not some organism comes along as well.

I'm going to take over because I'm smarter and more connected. Every time we've seen an innovation in nature, it's because preceding that moment, there was an innovation in increasing the amount of biosis, the amount of interconnected relationships

inside a single organism. Eventually, you get to a human. A human has more life within it than any other niche of nature on this planet, Amazon, jungle, coral reefs, any other mammal.

The human colon and the body systems around it contain more biodiversity, more interconnected relationships than any other system on the planet. This is more biosis, more life, more energy per cubic centimeter. And what we get to start to recognize now,

as our neurobiology, the gut starts to work through our levels of understanding, we're starting to realize there is no such thing as human intelligence. There's a human brain that is an antenna for all of nature to speak to.

And so we have the most complicated antenna system of any organism on Earth, and just minutes go,

“you sat there saying, you know, I think I'm actually an antenna.”

So this is the process that takes to great life. And 70 years ago, we started a new era of humanity called the antibiotic era. And it innovated with penicillin in the 1940s, but then it became herbicides and pesticides

and took us into a massive journey of destroying biosis. The word anti-biotic is truth and advertising. To be anti-biosis, to be anti-biotic is to be against, to disrupt, to destroy the interconnected relationships that make life possible.

And so if this is right, which I don't expect you to believe yet, but if this is right, I should be able to map to you the exact way in which we've landed at this moment, which is at the crippled point of human biology globally,

threatening the various Bible of our species.

“So I'm going to take you through the last 50 years”

and look at the human race just as a metabolic framework. And we'll see if we can make some sense out of it. OK, let's do it. I like it. It is very fast-date that we've gotten to where we are right now

and that we know as much as we know. And yet, we still are doing things like extensive use of pesticides and herbicides. And even when they're not necessary, like the drying of wheat with it, which is crazy.

Like you're not even using it for its intended purpose using it as a decicator. So you could dry out the wheat and process it quicker. What the fuck are you doing? And then you're poisoning people unnecessarily

because of this.

See, this is why I love being with you, Joe,

because like you say the things that I wish I would be able to say the last part of it. That's all I really wanted to tell the EPA when I just described it for the governments. We're created.

“Well, someone probably should have someone like me do it.”

I'm not the guy, but someone should say it that way because it's really what it is. Like you're poisoning people. And the really nutty thing is, the reason why they didn't do the ban on glyphosate because it would have a devastating

impact on our society, on our economy, because all these businesses would close and go under. And they would lose billions of billions dollars. Think of that. Think of where we are right now, where our food supply

relies on poison defunction. If we take the poison out, it can't function. I don't know what to tell you, but there's only one way to do it. We have to poison you.

That is really wild that anybody would accept that. I mean, you can have all your fucking lobbyists. Everyone sits in front of those microphones with notes. And they all have some preposterous way of framing it. But that's really what it is.

You're saying the food supply relies on poison.

“And if we take away the poison, we'll fall apart.”

That's actually true. That's crazy. But let me show you why, because it's not actually the food system that's about to fall apart. It's the medical system.

And so the thing that relies on chemical food is not the money we're making from food system, is the money we're making from the medical system. Well, isn't it both? Isn't it?

It's got to be both. It's got to be both. Because I know, for a fact, the pesticide manufacturers are, they work very hard to make sure that the politicians are very happy.

Biosis interconnect relationships that make life possible. And so when they're owns Montanto, right? Yeah, it's a bear purchase that recently. And they've been out this for a long, long time. Bear started to investigate the impact of interconnected relationships

on human biology and fertility in the 1940s. We call it World War II in concentration camps. But that's where the studies really started getting set up. Was understanding the relationship between microbiome, the output products, amino acids specifically,

that support human life. So bear was involved in the concentration. They were bought by a company called FK Pharmaceuticals in Germany in the 1930s. And then they got spun back out as bear after the war,

after the collapse of the Third Reich.

And they're hardly alone in this. Companies all over the world at the time were studying these interconnected relationships. Because there was a lot of progress being made than 1930s and 40s all the way back to the 1800s

of understanding that humans are an expression of an complex ecosystem. They're not just this isolated system. And so it was Luis Pasteur, who won the argument of natures against us, germs, or tacking us all of that.

So that really kind of doubled down on this belief that natures are opposed to humans. And we'd have to survive by sterilizing our environments. So pasteurization is rooted in his name, Luis Pasteur. Right, right.

So we start pasteurizing with the idea that if there's any life inside of what we're consuming, it could compete with the human life, not real life. Is one of the nuttiest things that they've passed on society, that they've passed this idea,

that if you don't homogenize and pasteurize your milk, that you're in danger. And I don't know if you've ever seen some of these gas-lighty articles. But some lady, I wish I saved it.

Somebody made a great TikTok about it today or Instagram reel, whether she was explaining relative risk versus actual risk and how these articles are framed to show you, like, oh my god, this is so dangerous in that people who drink raw milk are, like, 860% more likely

to get sick. But it's, like, versus people who drink homogenize milk, well, how many people get sick off milk?

And it's, like, like, 1300 a year, or something like that, I forget what it was. 13,000 a year, feel bad, because they drank bad milk. And out of those, how many of those were drinking raw milk? Well, it was, like, more likely that it was raw,

so then it's still only a few thousand people. By the time you find something that actually got harmed by it, you're down to six people, you know? Exactly. Which is, like, one of those really nutty things

that people do, they got, instead of saying, this is what's dangerous about raw milk. Don't drink it when it's spoiled. Don't drink it, but also that's yogurt. That's yogurt.

“And you should have yogurt, because it's important”

to have good acid, acidophilist, and all the cultures for a lot of cultures, it's probiotics, but don't drink raw milk. 'Cause raw milk, you'll die.

I've never heard of a fucking single person

to drink raw milk. Who died? I had a joke about it in my act a long time ago. Like, you get, if milk takes you out, (laughing)

like, my grandfather ate cigarettes and he lived to me a thousand, that was the joke. But he was like, milk took you out, you fucking pussy. Like, it's not, it was dying from milk. Shut the fuck up, there's, you know,

people get food poisoning, it happens a lot. And one of the things is it's runoff from industrialized farms that get into people's vegetables. It's a lot of vegetables, a lot of salads. People get food poisoning from salads unfortunately.

- Yeah, there was a mentioning project that was put in a motion around. I think it was late teens when the US government suddenly realized, oh my gosh, terrorists could attack us through salad bars.

They could poison these salad bars. So easily, and we could just, you know, that wasn't what the police did. - That wasn't screwed up. (laughing)

- Those have been long to play. That's an ancient technology. This means garbage, ancient technology. - It's so ridiculous.

“- Even the ancient Egyptians use those a pretty sure,”

but you've got this situation where they went out to see, like, test, like, what happened if you put salmon on these things and everything else. The conclusion of the whole study, two years later, is it'd be impossible to make salad bars

anymore toxic in the yard? (laughing) - What is every pathage you've ever heard of is already there for sure. - I see a bunch of people touch stuff,

and most people use their fingers, their gross. What is salad, the most, what is the thing that people get food sickness off the most? What's the highest percentage? In terms of, like, what kind of food?

- Yeah, probably like, oysters, right? Like, raw oysters, mushrooms, greens. I don't think it's greens. - I don't think it's greens. - You might as well show that.

- But if it is salad, it's not the actual greens itself. It's the toxic shit. It's actual shit that gets on them, and then it's also, like, whatever they're using.

- It's the irrigation of the lattices that are the problem, great artificial water systems that start to breathe these things.

“But I think, you know, if we back up for a second,”

like, we're hitting on something so exciting here is that if we can understand that life is a concentration of light energy, we can start to understand everything. And we can start to innovate

for restoring our relationship to nature. We can become a keystone species again. And so I want to take a quick look at the last 50 years of antibiotic use to your point, herbicides and pesticides,

this thing that we're highly dependent on as a economy. - 100% but we can't leave people hanging. So let's find out what's the actual-- - I got it.

- I got it. - Yeah, I said what food causes the most food poisoning

and it didn't, the answer is just, like, foods

that are contaminated. - Raw under cooked poultry, that makes sense. Ground beef. Under cooked meats, commonly linked to toxin producing E. coli, leafy greens and other raw vegetables.

So they don't have like a percentage. Raw or under cooked shellfish, raw or under cooked eggs, ultra-pasturized milk and soft cheeses. - Yeah, that's-- - Yeah, that's dangerous.

- Serious, look, serious pathogens. - It was Daria and Salmanella. Okay, so there's no data. It shows exactly what people get sick the most from. So your point, go back to where you wanted to go from.

- So you talked about their resides in pesticides. So this started with the green revolution in 1960s where we started to believe that the Midwest could start to feed the world. We were in eliminate hunger by chemical farming.

So I want to repeat that sentence. We decided we were gonna eliminate hunger by chemical farming. - And that was only in the 1950s. - 50s is where we really took off of it because of what that's crazy.

- At the end of World War II, we had a massive glut of oil. And so we had revved up the whole global oil and fossil fuel machine to supply the global warm machine.

We had planes, tanks everywhere, the first time.

We're two ends. Suddenly there's an enormous overload of oil and oil companies need a new revenue source. And this had begun in the 1905, 10 phase with the Rockefellers. The largest oil producing families in the world

there's these carbon molecules can be re-invented into something much more valuable. And so we can sell a gallon of oil

“for 22 cents back then, or we can take those”

and start to break out chemical processing. Carbon molecules that can start to affect biology. And so we could start making drugs that affect these things. And so the Flexner Report comes out in 1910

that basically demonizes and laughs out herbalism

and 10,000 years of traditional medicine and says that it's this new technology of small carbon molecules that's the future of it's the only advanced form of medical care. And so we started into this belief

that it was going to be chemical derivatives of fossil fuels that were not going to just treat diseases, but they were asking to grow our crops. And this Rockefeller did this, right? Rockefeller's funded the Flexner Report,

which was Dr. Flexner's big report that said, here's the future and here's kind of-- and he had massive investments in oil. Rockefeller built the whole system. So he built standard oil that would then get broken up

to the monopolies into X on mobile and rest, shell, et cetera. So you've got the situation where it's lived through to today. And so something like the chemotherapies that were around, there's one called Vincristine, which is a classic chemotherapie

used for a whole host of common cancers. And Vincristine is a natural compound drive from life. And so it's biologically made by algae and things like this. And so it's similar to oil, where it's just a carbon substrate. But it's still in this living form.

But it's creating this strange carbon molecule called Vincristine. So it's made in algae. It's present in algae. And instead of saying, hey, here's a biologics system.

And then we could look at like, well, maybe this should be in our soil systems. Maybe we should be growing food that had this therapeutic effect. This anti-cancer effected, and instead they said, let's separate the algae from nature.

And let's create huge vats of this. And we will chemically extract the Vincristine. Vincristine today is sold for $28,000 a gram. And so the same thing was done with oil. We can take something as worth $20, 20 cents.

And we can turn it in $28,000 if we manipulate these molecules and then make a story of this treats of disease that's attacking humanity.

“And so that's how the antibiotic, anti-cancer, anti-diabetes,”

anti-abesity, anti-everything has come about, is let's invent chemicals that solve a problem for that doesn't even really exist. And so this is where we start to slip into this massive abstraction of we get so good at solving problems that shouldn't even

exist, or maybe don't even exist. And so this was the slippery slope that we said into in 1910s that then accelerated like anything in 1950s. So in the 1950s, you'll remember we had penicillin and late World War II.

So penicillin was the first direct antibiotic.

And it was a revolution. It was so exciting. So kids in the 1940s and 50s were getting an injection in there, but for anything, common cold, sneeze, red eyes, penicillin.

And so we were giving out these antibiotics, thinking, well, we're going to sterilize humans finally. And humans are one sterile, 'cause Louis Pasteur is late 1800s, telling his germs. We're the only thing that was really killing humans.

We eliminate germs, humans are going to just thrive. And so the idea that we now had antibiotics, anti-small things that aren't human, we would finally become healthy again. Right, but if people did get infected with syphilis back then,

antibiotics, like penicillin would cure them. So it would eliminate the symptom of syphilis, but syphilis wasn't a disease. Syphilis was a symptom of a degradation of healthy biological interconnect relationships.

And that was being argued back then. And then late 1800s arguing with Pasteur over decades that really well published stuff. You've got, so could you stop you there? So you're saying that the people got syphilis

because their system was compromised, not because syphilis is particularly dangerous. So did some people not get syphilis

“that were alive back then, that were in contact with it?”

I mean, how contagious was it? And is it because their bodies were unhealthy? And their immune systems weren't functioning correctly, 'cause they were malnourished, 'cause they didn't get enough nutrients, like what?

- Exactly. - Yeah, so, 'cause a lot of it was the aristocracy. Like you would think they're the most well-fed. - They're the most separated from nature. That too, right?

- They're the ones that aren't gardening. They're ones that aren't out in the back. They're the ones that are separated from nature and have technology called convenience, pushed around them on many, many layers.

So they're the ones not touching the soil. They're the ones not making the bricks. They're the ones not building the houses. They were also drinking a lot and partying because they weren't feeling anything.

- So they weren't chemicals to feel something. And this is where I think this whole,

you know, give everybody half a million dollars

and they'll be happy. - No. - It's gonna isolate them further. They're gonna numb them down. And all that's gonna create is drug addiction

on the highest levels we ever ever seen in it. - If they function the way people function today,

to not be in pursuit of money,

but instead think of money as something that provides you with food and shelter and basic needs and you don't have to worry about any of that stuff anymore.

“Now what you need to do is worry about being a person”

or about finding something that's fascinating and get an education just for your own sake of fueling your curiosity. You know, learn things, it grow, pick projects, do things you want to do.

Start taking learning on musical instrument, do something that you find fascinating because you don't have to spend your time just working anymore. - In that possible?

- You just said it word that I want to go back to here that's so important. You said, here's enough money to provide you food shelter and anything else you need. - Yeah.

- Does money really provide food shelter and or does nature provide it?

- Well, you use nature to make a house

like cement doesn't exist in a vacuum. - The aqua tribe had been building their houses for 40,000 years. - Right, no money. - They've literally not had money.

- Right, but they live in the jungle, right? If you live in Arizona, you better have a fucking house. - You better have air conditioning too. - Have you visited the Aboriginal brothers down in Australia?

Is every bit as hot in brutal, is no houses. For 40,000 years, right? - Right, absolutely fine without money. - That's not ideal. It's not ideal to be outside when it's 110 degrees

and you're just suffering. I'm sure if those people had air conditioning there to go, oh, this is way better. - That's exactly what happened. - They got air conditioning and then went up.

- Yeah, give them air conditioning, they come out of nature.

“- Yeah, but always, I mean, this is the only way.”

Like people are so dumb, they can't be educated to the fact that there's a bunch of things that you have to satisfy. - It's not intelligence, it's comfort. - Comfort, it's subconscious. - Right, but can't you teach people

that they should just seek comfort? 'Cause I learned that. People can learn that. Like everybody is like naturally inclined to seek comfort, but if you do that too much, you'll just,

you become soft in your atrophy and you get bored to press And that's a real problem with people. We need tasks. We are task oriented, goal oriented creatures. We like stuff.

We like to do things. We like to do puzzles. We like to play games. We're like a bastard. - So I've been building stuff since I was a kid.

- Yeah. - I love building stuff. - I love building stuff. - I have the best life ever because I was born poor. And so I grew up in government housing in Colorado.

1973, water, Vietnam War was descending. And a bunch of the among people of Cambodia were displaced because of Agent Orange, chemical. That is immediately cousin to glyphosate. The chemical we're talking about.

- Is it really? Agent Orange is a, it's a coversan. - They're the same class. They're both organophosphate molecules. And so I'll get into that story a little later.

But nonetheless, this peoples of the among were displaced. Because we dumped it all over Cambodia, North Vietnam, to make bear the Ho Chi Minh Trail. So we get from the RCR enemy and kill more people. We turned an entire jungle system

into a complete moonscape, not a single life form left after 25 years of Agent Orange. - If you go back there right now, it's still like that. - No, it is fully recovered because biology's been allowed to return.

We created so much disease in that place that humans were displaced. As soon as humans step out of there, the kind of extractive relationship. - So they do rush as much.

- Each orange, it's not like a permanent chemical that stays in the soil. - There's no such thing as a permanent chemical, that it can stay. - When's biology?

- Those forever chemicals? - Forever chemicals are measured without life. If you put biology back in a system, it will heal itself, period. And that's my promise to humanity

that everything is perfect. The stress that we're putting on this planet right now with these herbicides, pesticides, antibiotics, everything we're doing right now. I want to keep this in the context of everything is perfect.

I'm going to keep drilling this home until we get there. But it's going to be an interesting journey because first we have to look at how much suffering have we created first to understand

then why would we create suffering and why would that be perfect? But we'll get there.

“But I think we need to back up to people's lived experience”

right now, 1973. We have the end of a world war. War really with this economic drain. Vietnam war was this massive drain on economic systems disrupted all kinds of things.

And then suddenly it's over. And a little company called Monsanto that was producing Agent Orange needed a new economy. And so they repurposed themselves into chemical cleaner for industrial pipes.

And they bought a patent from a Japanese inventor put this patent in the late 1950s that for something called glyphosate, bought that patent 1974. And they were using it to clean industrial pipes

because it has an amazing ability

to grab minerals and pull it out of circulation. So they were dumping lots of this down these clogged pipes of manufacturing facilities. And they were cleaning the pipes out beautifully. But the problem was as soon as the effluent got out

into the river, it would kill all the fish and everything else.

environmental protection.

“So they needed a different purpose for this stuff”

at lower concentrations. And so they repatented in 1976 as a weed killer. And rolled it out as round up, which would become the most successful weed killer in history. But this molecule had been already in use

in this organic phosphate family molecules.

It always already been killing life throughout Cambodia and Vietnam.

Those people got displaced and I grew up with them and bought a Colorado in the government housing. And those among people showed us something of biology. They're most poisoned people's in the planet. And they showed no metabolic collapse.

They showed no decline in health. They didn't have explosion of cancer. Anything else they should of because we know that Asian Orange causes cancer care. And they showed me as young as I was at the time,

three, four years old growing up with these among people in gardens. And these Cambodian women were sitting squatting in the middle of their 10-foot plots that they were given as part of our section A government housing.

And they would sit and tell a story. Stay human-connected. The receivers were on. Then 10 is were open. They're telling story while they're squatting barefoot

in soil systems.

And the biology is restoring their bodies,

cleaning their bodies. I would find that out, 35 years later, studying life, Satan, and human biology. But this is what I loved is that I had a lived experience of people that had been radically poisoned,

but had stayed in touch with the land. And because they were an extension of the planet, they didn't show disease. Because these are the people that left, though. I mean, the people that were still there in Cambodia

and in Laos and all the areas where they used Asian Orange didn't they have a high concentration of cancer, the people that lived there? Yeah, and that's because they got displaced to concentration camp type environments

where they were separated from nature. So if you don't stay connected in nature, then toxicity shows up, cancer shows up, all these things. A good example of this is Chernobyl. But the people that lived in the villages

were Asian Orange, as long as they stayed close to nature, you're saying that they were fine from Asian Orange. In this case, there were no villages left. We literally turned it into a moon skip. So they were fully refugee status divorced.

They didn't have land to go back to for 30 years. But there were people that stayed that were close to where that Asian Orange stuff was dumped, that lived, that did get cancer, right? Yeah, and the ones with the highest cancer

were the US military soldiers. And so the people that were most separate from nature were going to show the highest rates of cancer. And so you have US military that are eating canned food in an emmerise half a world away.

They're going to show an immediate increase

“and that's why Asian Orange couldn't be repurposed”

because it's got such a bad rap on it. High anxiety, you're in a war, you don't want to be there. You're isolated socially. Probably doing a lot of drugs. So you've reached a stress level because of your separation

from your own personal natural connected biosis of a family and a community. And your garden and all these things. So as we get further from nature, we come from more vulnerable.

And then toxins become a real crisis for biology. So biology and isolation will have huge consequences to poisoning. A connected biologic system sees poison as a stressor that will make it stronger and not weaker.

When you're communicating with these people, especially like people that live in these indigenous cultures, when do they experience infections? Do they have, like, do they get the flu? Does anything go through them?

That's in their own bot. Not something that's introduced by other people. Like we know that that wiped out 90% of Native Americans is disease that came from Europe. So the story that's told, I'm not sure

that we have the greatest evidence of that. That story has been played a lot.

“I think it's also possible for people to just kill”

a lot of people. Well, we certainly did that as well. And we killed a lot of people. But I think that what's not understood was the breaking of their relationship

to their natural system. And so they may have had dysentery and died of infectious diseases. But not until we displaced them from their gardens, displaced them from their land.

And we had to break their relationship to nature if they were going to get a bowel infection that was cutting cause of problem. I've just seen too many examples of collected biology systems that just cannot become diseased.

A connected system. And again, let me turn to Chernobyl for a moment because there's a pretty rad example of this. Largest nuclear event, nuclear disaster.

It's never been created in human history.

Maybe the Japan ones now exceeding it. But Chernobyl was 30 years ago. I was on the 1976 or something like that. Chernobyl happens. Huge nuclear waste dump into soil systems

throughout the Siberian region there. And we have the immediate movement of humans out of the region, out of fear of cancer. And sure enough, all the humans that were in touch with that system, huge rates of thyroid cancer,

renal disease, all kinds of things occurred.

by voles, small little mouse-like creature that lives under the ground.

“It looks halfway across a field mouse and a mole.”

Those tiny little creatures have been eating the most radioactive act of soils on the planet for the last 30, 40 years. So it was 50 years now. And so that 50 years of eating radioactive material,

they are now radioactive. So when you put a geiger counter up next to one of those voles, it's not BBB, but it's just a continuous home. And so these are most radioactive creatures on Earth. Not a single case of deformities, not

it's no declaps of fertility. In fact, the voles, populations are thriving. The predator to the vol, in Chernobyl, is the wolf. And the Siberian wolf has absolutely quadrupled its population, no birth defects.

No cancer, no consequence to eating the voles that are highly radioactive. And so these are the best examples of when a system, when a keystone species or otherwise, is connected to its nature.

She will never allow an injury to occur

that she doesn't allow, I already have a solution for. And so at the microbiome level, we now know how these voles and voles are surviving is they upregulate pseudomonas. And pseudomonas has this amazing.

It's a bacteria that actually, if you look through all those food poisoning lists of what's going to kill you on the equal light and the pseudomonas, pseudomonas is one of the most feared bacteria in a hospital, for example.

It turns out, pseudomonas thrive on radioactive act of material. They digest it, turn it into usable, and say, for products and all of this. And so the microbiome is there, living in the voles, constantly converting it and updating its physiology.

So it's repairing at a faster rate than it's being injured. And I'll show you what this looks like in a lab, too. In a moment, but I want you to hold that and thought of there's every organism has a rate of repair and a rate of injury.

And as long as the rate of repair is slightly faster

than the rate of injury, it never gets a disease.

You can ramp up that injury rate. And if nature stays interconnected, you're a rate of repair simply steps up to its right capacity. And so this is that classic attitude. If it doesn't kill you, it makes you stronger.

A biology that's practicing in a relationship of biosis, the interconnected relationships that make life possible. A biotic creature will always have the resources if from nature rather than from money.

Money's never going to provide you biosis. Nature's always going to provide you the biotic capacity to overcome any toxicity that gets streamed up. Planetary are otherwise. So plan has been making horrible toxins forever.

The sulfuric acid pools that this planet dominate this planet's surface. Biology came right past all of that. Biology grew up in it. Biology has no problem with chemistry

because of its phenomenon of light concentration of energy more. Energy per cubic centimeter than anything else in the cosmos.

“Life is this churning machine of iteration, repair, regeneration,”

iteration, repair, regeneration, repair, regeneration. And every time it does that, it has this tendency to make new iterations of itself, to become more biodiversity, new species or form new imagination of nature.

And pretty soon you have a planet Earth that's teaming with so much unbelievable life. And finally a container that can hold its maximum concentration of information and light energy is created and that's a human.

And so we've got this container that's holding billions of years of stress. The result of stress when connected to nature is more life force, more intelligence, more beauty. And so I loved what you said earlier

because it's very important. There's a chapter in my book that's looking at this kind of neo-spiritualism of the utopia you mentioned. And you kind of all BS from the beginning

and that you're like, humans have never done utopian things.

Humans are part of the stress mechanism of the planet. I'm convinced of it because what we do all the time is we stress the system. We finally invented airplanes.

And the first thing we did was try to jump out of them. We just like stress. We like the discomfort of pushing the envelope.

“And I think we live on a planet in the middle of a universe”

that loves the same thing. It loves the stress of it. It loves the friction of possibility. It loves death because immediately there's rebirth. And every time there's a death, there's more opportunity

for a new creation, new imagination. And so when I say everything is perfect, it's literal. It means everything is reimagining itself all the time. And if humans do go extinct in these coming decades, that's part of a beautiful journey of life

going iterating, iterating, iterating, iterating, iterating. There's a moment though with every hospice patient where you suddenly get to see life return. And sometimes they choose more life in the human body. And sometimes they're like, I'm gone.

That's where I belong over there. I have a next thing. I've been by so many near-death experiences. I can't even count them anymore. But every time somebody dips across the veil of the human ego

that's so interconnected.

“And it's got absolutely nothing to do with a human mind”

and its perception and its effort to explain the universe. It has nothing to do. It's a full body experience. It is that antenna going wide open and being like, this is what it is.

And I can't. It's the one thing I wish I could do.

And I've never been able to do.

It's just hope humans feel bad. If you could feel what it felt like when somebody hasn't even come back to the point where they can tell you the near-death experience, but you're just standing there and witness to them.

And their antenna goes blowing wide open. And you can feel what is in the field at that moment. There is nothing that compares to it. Plant medicine, peak experiences, breath work, cold, plunge, hot plunge.

Take your body through any stress. You will not experience the amount of energetic information that comes through at that moment to that human antenna

“that's still biologically connected to Earth”

but is perceiving the whole story. That's the end of addiction. If you could feel that, there would be no more addiction on this planet. Because addiction is the necessary behavior

of an organism that believes itself to be abandoned by its infinite reality. Humans believe ourselves to be abandoned by nature. And we put it right in our definition. You can probably pull it up.

Oxford English, dictionary, nature is everything in the firmament of the Earth, minerals, plants, animals as opposed to humans or anything humans have made. Not only do we write ourselves out in nature, we put ourselves in opposition to nature

as opposed to humans or anything humans have made. That's the Oxford dictionary's definition of nature really. And so as you start to think about this, like that's the whole story. It's when we start to lose the antenna.

When we started doming down the receptor,

“and we started planting mental constructs,”

money is where things come from.

No, money has never birthed anything.

Women birth life, money does not. Biology is self-perpetuating. Always for more beauty, more intelligence. Anytime we create an abstract system and say, biology needs that.

Biology, living people need money. Living people needs IV drips of vitamin C. Living humans need peptides injected. It is the biggest miss in the cosmos. It's humans that don't realize

that we are the best antennas that have been made on this planet so far. If we begin to use those, we will not do utopia. We'll be experiencing opportunities for stress

that doesn't harm another individual. And this is the characteristic of a sovereign reality where everything is up leveling all of the time. And something that gives up its life is not killed.

It's literally giving its life to the next. And so when you look at predation, you think you have the lion eating the antelope. If you spend enough time with these indigenous groups, they can tell you which antelope is going to give itself to the lion.

It's not because it's weak or it's broken. There's a relationship that can feel between the predator and the prey. It's interesting that we call them prey. Who's preying in this situation?

Who's about to go into an ascension process is the antelope or the lion, maybe both. But there's a relationship there in our indigenous understanding. This is where sacred hunting comes in.

Sacred hunting never went out to kill anything.

It came to receive more. So if you go out in nature with the attitude of, I am going to receive the abundance of nature for my peoples, for my family, for my thing. And you see what nature is going to offer you.

And this is the hunter gather tribes and spades here. But this is the change of mindset that we've got to go back to is everything is sacred. Everything is sovereign. And when we sit back into that relaxed relationship,

we never got kicked out of nature. Everything, our food, our shelter, our livelihoods are going to come from nature, not money. When we make that subtle shift of trusting this planet again, then we start turning on the antenna.

And then our intelligence comes back on. And then our memory comes back on. And we don't have to sit around being like, I wonder how those pyramids got built. We will be connected to that information,

because it's all still here. I want to go back to that. But I want to push back on this idea that people can survive plagues if they don't have immunity to it, because one of the best examples

where that seems to have wiped out an entire civilization is all these sites they keep finding in the Amazon.

you read about the initial European explorers

who made their way into the Amazon. They found this thriving civilization. They went back 200 years ago, 200 years later, there's nothing. And the predominant theory is that they brought with them smallpox and a bunch of other diseases.

They spread like wildfire to a bunch of people that didn't have immunity to it, and they died. Who's living more in harmony with nature than those people that were living in the Amazon? I mean, they're living in complete harmony with nature.

They just didn't have the immunity to deal with European diseases. So you're telling me a story that I cannot answer because the story is abstract itself. And so, how so?

Because you're painting a picture A that somebody knows that there were smallpox that went across those people. Well, we know there were smallpox, and we know that smallpox did most certainly wipe out a lot of Native Americans, as well as a lot of European settlers.

Was it because they were malnourished? That's certainly possible. I mean, that's certainly because I would just say when.

“When do we have evidence that they started dying of smallpox?”

And I think that's after we displaced them from their travel. And after we displaced them, they're connected to these villages. That's hard to say, because it seems like there's a lot

of evidence that it spread through tribes and even tribes that were on their own. That there was a real problem.

But the other question is there wasn't always

bountiful, like wherever Native Americans were. And there was times where they had like serious famine, and they didn't have food sources that were nutritious, and they did their best to stay alive. It wasn't always like, look at all the deer

and all the fish, and we have fruits and vegetables everywhere we're fine. Now, there was certainly times where these nomadic people ran into a bad situation. And if you introduce a new disease and novel disease

that they don't have an immunity to, during that time, that could most certainly wipe them out. Despite the fact that they're living in nature, they don't have the resources that's required to keep a biological system perfectly functioning

and healthy. They're struggling. They're barely getting by. I could totally see how people like that. We like to think that everybody that lived in North America

before the Europeans had it nailed, they lived perfectly. Well, no, tribal hunter-gatherer people that are nomadic. Like, sometimes you run into a bad place. Sometimes you're in an area that has no game. That's just how it goes.

You have a bunch of miles to feed, and things go wrong. And if they're in that kind of a situation, they catch smallpox, they're going to be compromised. They're immune system to be compromised. Completely makes sense.

And there was widespread contact with these diseases that came from these Europeans who also weren't very healthy and came over here on boats. And that's got to be fucking terrible for you. You're going to pull for three months.

We're kind of food eating. And then you get here and you're spreading all your junk to all these other people that have no idea what that is.

“I think you're now you're on the button of it.”

And so it was less about the condition of people that were native to this land. It was more about the divorce of the people that were incoming from nature. And so those settlers or those industrial colonists

who were coming over from Spain or otherwise, it was their radical divorce for thousands of years of innovations of clothing and horses. And all these different layers of technology that interrupted their food systems

and their relationship in nature. So they were coming over here, sick. I agree with that. And it's likely that that may have been more of the imprint, was less of an infectious disease

and more of a dissonant imbalance. And so I think what we now know about the gut microbiome is that it has an immediate feedback loop to stress signals, cortisol specifically. And so if you're a Spanish colonial army

that shows up with weapons that have never been seen before

and you've got this marauding belief that you're a separate from nature.

“And so you need to go steal as much as possible”

because you don't have enough. And so that's the downstream of the abandonment disorder of humanity is scarcity mentality, which then breeds empire rise and fall on colonialism and ownership models and all of this.

And so you come over with this marauding new species. Let's think of it as a new species because up until this point, none of the indigenous culture shares saw themselves a separate from nature.

All of there, you know, 40,000 years of traditional practice where we are integrated in nature, we are an element between the cosmos and the earth. We sit in this fine little beautiful zone between heaven and earth and this is human.

This is the experience of being in antenna. That's connected to this cosmos connected to planet earth. - And a great example of that as tech architecture that literally mirrors the cosmos. - Mirrors the cosmos as did the Egyptians.

in 13 degree angles.

That's just like Orion's belt.

And see, you've got, you know, Pleiadian star clusters lasered into the stones and Peru and the temples that are built underground there, like crazy stuff because we were antennaed to the universe and we were in temperament to the earth.

We sat feeling them both. That's the magic of being human as you can feel both. This is a very magical moment in my patients that are dining and are letting go of these buys there, certainly cosmic and scale.

You know, I'll tell you exactly which planets they go to and how they expand into the universe become stars, all kinds of crazy stuff in their near-death experiences. But they're not on earth at that moment.

“So I think this wonderful moment of being in antenna,”

a biological antenna, not the physics of a soul, not some identity that sits outside a biological spacetime. But an antenna that's now biologically connected to more energy per cubic centimeter than it will ever feel.

Because the cosmos doesn't do energy as well as life. And so you can, as sun doesn't do, as much concentrated energy as life. And so this is this precious moment. And so you imagine these people for tens of thousands

in your designing, expressing these incredible technologies,

the pyramids and space travel and everything else that they're doing at this time, unbelievable connectivity. And then along comes a species that look human, except they think they don't belong to earth.

They don't think they think they got abandoned. The whole kicked out of the garden thing is played itself out. And they come in with this killing mentality. There's different than the prey and predator relationship

that people sat with each other, I'm sure, too. It wasn't just lions and antelopes. There was a predation between humans from our beginning, too. We are a natural system, we live, we die, we re-birth, we re-death. And when our antennas are wide open,

we understand the relationship and the flow of life as it goes through its ascension process. But here comes the species that is fundamentally opposed to life. It is antibiotic and it's behavioral relationship

to earth. The stress that would have been felt in the neurologic system from people's that had been interconnected, understanding space and having anything more time. What they would have felt in that time

“would have, I think, been the infectious disease.”

Just like the boxed apple juice, they came along to break the relationship of 40,000 years of abundance for the offshore tribe and now put them in poverty. The same thing could happen energetically

at the spiritual or psychospiritual or cyclawareness. That antenna could suddenly break if suddenly you felt like you were actually in danger. And isn't that what we feel when we feel associated path in our presence?

Don't we suddenly viscerally feel something like, this is actually dangerous. Other people can be mean thing be assholes, but it's that antenna goes up. And so imagine a whole civilization feeling for the most,

this foreign object coming at them. And it's shooting them and it's killing them and it's tearing up their gardens

and it's got horses which have never been seen on this continent.

The cortisol level goes berserk. It means the system shuts down. Microbiome and the gut collapses. And suddenly they are experiencing diseases of the West, not because the pathogens were bad.

Not becomes some element of nature suddenly left across the ocean and attacked them. Because they went out of relationship. The antenna shut down. They lost the context of an interconnected biosis relationship

with heaven and earth.

“I think that's where we start to really see,”

honestly, what was happening at that time. It was fear that was bringing it was guilt, shame, of being kicked out of nature. It was energetic signals that were breaking the informational stream, the field of connectivity

that humans were probably suspended into that time. But even before the Europeans arrived, the Aztecs were doing horrific shit to each other. Like in the consecration of the temple of, is it Tenochit Lont, where they killed one of us,

a Spanish chronicler named Diaz, said that they killed as many as 80,000 people over four days, they sacrificed them? Like these are, this is not like a balanced living with nature civilization we're talking about, the Aztecs.

They were doing some wild shit, man. - They had survived much longer than the Europeans had. - I understand that, but they had survived by enslaving people and ritually sacrificing them. - So that's your European story.

But, okay, let's see. - Lots of Europeans seeing a system and projecting its belief of its own broken relationship in nature and everything else. - But do you think that they had a harmonious connection

with nature by sacrificing slaves? - I can't defend that because that wasn't there to experience it, but I'll tell you a different story that I make you question it. - Please, yeah.

- 'Cause for me to tell you what the Aztecs were, that's a bullshit story, I can't tell you. But, in my own lived experience with tribes in that exact area, when I spend time with them,

I start to sense this big reality.

“And if you look deeper at the stories of the Aztecs,”

so one of the classic things that they did human sacrifice in was their sports. And so they had a game that looked a lot like some combination of soccer and basketball. And so they had the little tiny ball

that they could strike with any part of their body except their hands, so they couldn't throw them. - The mines did that, right? - Yeah. - And so the mines have this sport.

And they've got this tiny little hoop way up on the wall of the playing field, which were huge. They're like, you know, as big as your lacrosse fields, or something like this. And so they got these huge fields

in the middle of these pyramidic structures of stone and way up on the wall of one of these would be this tiny little hoop that was hardly bigger than the ball itself. And you had to bump it with your shoulder or kick it through that little hoop.

The games would last for days.

It was kind of like your, some version of your British sports

that go on on. But anyway, the winner would be then taken to the front and the captain of the team would be behedded. - Yeah, not a lot of incentive. - Not a lot of incentive.

- Not a lot of incentive. - The score, the game for fucking ever. That's why they lasted days. - But what do you want to win? - The incentive was it, they didn't want to win,

or was the incentive not to stay alive? - Well, the kings were caught in their own heads off if someone won, right? They were caught in the heads off of the guy who was the winner.

And probably reluctantly. - Well, I mean, we can make all kinds of stuff. - Sure, I mean, maybe they were looking for it of being sacrificed. - It's very possible.

- I think that's the intention. - But human instincts don't align with that. Human instincts align with people, try to avoid death whenever possible. - I totally agree that while we're still

veiled between the five senses that make us think that things end up. - I understand, but if you're advocating for a world where it's okay to kill 80,000 slaves at the consecration of a temple that you probably didn't build in the first place

because one of the problems with the Aztec temples is they don't claim they built them. They found them. They found them already built. And they literally call them the place

where the gods were born.

Like some of these incredible structures

were built who knows how much longer before the Aztecs were there. They describe it. They don't say they built them. - Oh, they inhabited them, say, about Egypt.

They built thousands of years before the modern Egyptian showed up. - Likely. - So the Egypt one is a little more complicated. You know, because there's so much of it.

And it's so big. It's like, it's not that the Aztec one is in complicated because it's certainly, it's so is the mine one. I've only been to my impairments. I've been to Chechnica.

It was fucking incredible. It's insane. You just try to wrap your head around what this society must have been like at its peak. But that's also the belief is that these people

encountered European diseases as well.

“So that's why they just sort of dropped off and vanished.”

Just like the Amazon's. - So I think there's a risk of us imprinting our current belief systems on a distant past that we can't remember. - Well, sort of sure. - Yeah, I mean, there's really,

they don't really know what happened to the minds. - That's right. - There's a lot of guessing. But the prominent theory, the predominant theory, I think, is disease.

- And so I don't want to leave people hanging and think that I'm out to create a new humanity where it's okay to kill 80,000 people. - No, I mean, thank you're saying. - I'm interested in the situation

where the concept of killing goes away. The concept of death becomes reverent. The concept of death no longer has seen as an endpoint. The concept of death becomes an evolution, not an endpoint.

This is what all indigenous people, spend some time in Nepal, go to Tibet. Their whole culture is in reverence to death. - Well, they have those Tibetan sky-funerals. - Sky-funerals.

Those are wild. And people are horrified by that. But I was like, as long as you knew that they didn't have to get that HBO autopsy guy to exume your body because your husband killed you or whatever it is,

as long as you know that you died an normal natural way, isn't that kind of better to let the vultures eat you? It's kind of what you're supposed to be. You're supposed to cycle back into nature.

We're so weird that we say, "No, you can't have me." And we poison ourselves so that we can go visit grandpa in the funeral home when he's embalmed. He's embalmed with toxic chemicals

that can keep his body from decaying. So much so that you can dig him up a couple years later and find, "Oh my God, nanopoison, don't you know?" (laughing)

“'Cause that's what happens, they find that out.”

- That starts our story on a new commentary about man. - That's true. - Yeah, well about humans. You know, I think there's something to not just one example, it could be a bunch of people.

There's nurses that poison people. There's a lot of crazy people out there. But the point is like, we're very strange in that the most common way we take care of bodies

so that the rest of nature can absorb us.

- That's because we have never average for death,

because we think it's an endpoint. So we cling to these containers as if this was the story. - Yeah.

“- And that's what I got to see in hospice over and over again.”

It's the moment people pierce the veil and realize the antenna can sense everything again. That's when they realize this body is a tiny story of me. This is a tiny part of my experience and it's precious because at that moment of being human,

I felt heartbreak, I felt suffering, I felt fear, I felt guilt, I felt shame, none of what you can feel when you let go and pierce that veil. On the other side is radical connectivity. On the other side of that veil is radical,

connectivity energetically. You feel everything stars, moonscapes, everything. You are, you're in this singularity moment. And that's what you can feel in your body. Like, I continue to, so you say what I feel right now

when I just tell you about what it feels like to be in the presence of somebody in that moment when their antenna goes wide open and they still have a biological antenna that can both transmit and receive information.

The amount of information around death is so vast and this is why the Tibetans honor it.

“So thoroughly is this is that precious one moment”

where a human antenna gets the entire download and can still transmit it. And so if we are not sitting in the rooms with our elders that are dying, we are missing the biggest download of life

and we will only find it out when we're on our deathbed, probably dying alone. And so this is what I'm talking about is I see a world not without death, I see a world where death becomes the biggest moment of transformation.

And 10% of people that go through that have to be discharged from hospice six months later 'cause they went on to live in your life. Their disease is go away. Their health recovers, their biology returns

and they have a different relationship with their children.

They go and start creating art, they've never created.

These near-death experiences are trippy and 10% as a huge number. As a hospice doctor, I was admitting 80 patients a week to die. As eight patients a week, they're doing what they weren't supposed to do.

They were supposed to die and they're not doing it. In fact, they are showing so much more life after they glimpsed that everything's perfect. And they took a deep breath and said, "I got one more thing to express before I let go

of this finite moment." And this is our precious experience that we have. And I think, honestly, I think you're embodying something of this for humanity to look at. You're one of those rare personal eyes that gets on this seismic

launch into the public eye. Well, it comes rushing to you. That wasn't even expected. You set out to have some fun with some friends. And then this happened.

And you were one of the few people in the public eye right now that didn't allow that to break your relationship to your nature. And you stayed connected to the people that are building stuff that are making cars. And that's what I grew up doing.

I love it.

“That's what keeps us real is turning your anxious,”

getting the car to go faster, building a house. I built my own home. I live in the woods of Virginia and built my own home there. Living with my partner down in Panama, she's building a whole village down there.

It's amazing to see what is going to happen

when women start doing development on this planet. It's going to be spectacular. But what I'm feeling is this return to being human, where I am receiving so much information. And I need no money to be happy.

If we keep making money, the source by which we will be safe, fed, housed, everything else, we will continue in our abstract relationship to nature. When we start reforming all human systems in the context of a nature that is not only abundant, it does not know death.

It only knows transformation, transformation, transformation, and more complexity, more beauty, more intelligence. And so this is where we can start to lose the fear of death and start to move into this more reverence state of sovereignty, where we understand that we are fully resource,

not by Elon Musk's minimum wage of half a million dollars. We are resourceed by nature itself, by life itself, because we are cellular creatures. We had to be fully resource to occur in our mother's womb. There's, we needed no money to take one cell into 70 trillion cells

inhabited by 14 quadrillion mitochondria that it constrates on like 10,000 times brighter than the sun. That happened without money. That, this all sounds great. But how do you get the money to get a saw to cut the wood

to make your house? Why did the money have to enter in? Why did you get the saw? Did you make the saw? Yeah.

OK. Isn't that a saw? Yeah. Do you have a circular saw? Do you have one of those nice, you know?

Those nice ones are all sort of, saws alls? Why would we need money for that, either? Well, someone's got to build it.

So someone's going to make the internal engine

that spins that wheel a thousand times a minute or whatever it is. And so all you're talking about is a concentration of energy. Right. But someone's got to put the resources in to do that. They have to source the steel.

“What if it was nature that put the resources instead of the Fed?”

So the Fed's printing fake money. Right. But you've got to motivate people to innovate a thing. Do you have multiple people to create? Yeah.

Well, it's certain things. Like there's a reason why people do it because they know that they can make some money off of it. You know? Because they're currently stuck in a matrix where they believe the stuff is coming

from money. DeWalt power tools. Right.

Look at what they make those.

There's engineers. There's a bunch of designers. They all work for money. And they all figure out how much electricity it's going to run on, what the engine's going to be, how fast it has to be, what's the best steel for the blades.

There's money involved in all that. Because they have to have a warehouse where they have to build it. They have to pay people to pay the healthcare, pay their dental, they have to take care of them. Maybe they have a union.

Okay. So you've got union dues and fees. There's a bunch of money being exchanged because people want a reason to show up at work to do the work, to make these sauce because they're very difficult to make, takes multiple people.

There's a whole chain of different material science people that have to be involved. That's perfect. So you just gave up perfect some options for the last 200 years. Yeah.

And so they industrial revolution.

However, that's how you make a house. That's how you make this table. People have to work. But we built houses and castles and pyramids that were much greater than any house built today without the money.

Yeah. But they had something. Okay. Like houses for sure, they had money. Like which houses.

Like if you go back 400 years, 500 years ago, they definitely had money. No, 10,000. They were paying people. Okay. Pyramids.

It's a good question. We didn't build money. They just had a lot of money so they built a pyramid. Well, we don't know how they source the resources. And we don't know how they got the people to do the work.

And we don't know what the technology was involved in terms of planning and we don't, we really don't know. But I do know what it was, which was something like the Fed. What probably wasn't that? And so it's not something that's not like a abstract monetary system that has nothing to do

with life. Right. Pyramids. Well, yeah. We don't know.

But we would assume that it would be more sophisticated than that because the pyramid's more sophisticated than that. We would like to think that it would be different. We are also trapped in thinking that the system that we currently find ourselves operating

“in is the only way human beings can operate.”

This is my belief about the pyramids and about a lot of these ancient structures. I think we assume that because we are on a specific direction in terms of technological innovation that this is the only direction that human beings could have ever gone. And I have a feeling that that is absolutely not the case. And I think the pyramids are the best example of that.

I think they went in a different direction. We don't know what direction that was because I think, you know, along the lines of what gram believes and what Randall Carlson believes and a lot of these other folks, that there was some sort of a great cataclysm. And this is the source of the flood myths that exists in all ancient religions.

Yeah. This is somewhere around 11,000 plus years ago. Yeah. And I think that probably wiped out a lot of information on how things were made and what they did and why they were doing it the way they did it.

And I think modern archaeology just saying, you know, all they used sand and push stones like you can go fuck yourself. You go do that bitch. Do you go figure out how to carry a 500 ton stone through the mountains hundreds of miles away.

Go fuck yourself. You can't, you're lying to me. You're pretending to be an expert and you're lying to me because you're not willing to say, this baffles us to no end, we have no understanding of what tools were used in order

“to create these incredibly symmetrical statues, never forget about the pyramid itself.”

Forget about the things that are, are you aware of Philly, Philly, Bob Beyondi, and his work out of Italy, the stuff that they're finding underneath the pyramids is baffling. Yeah, the baffling. The light are systems of the earth. Baffling.

Yeah. The 20 meters in diameter, huge columns with spirals wrapped around them like, what's that? Why is it go a kilometer into the earth? This is crazy.

Is it crazy, or is it actually something we're actually living the truth of? Well, I have a feeling it was an insanely advanced society that existed there. And I think there's not a lot of evidence because the cataclysmic event of 11,000 years ago was probably so destructive that very few people survived. And the people that did survive, they just had stories and they just, they had survival

skills and they had to live in whatever way was possible in order to carry on the human race. But I think all semblance of a technological, sophisticated society that existed pre-11,000

And I think that's why society reemerges around 6,000 years ago.

And I think that's what that is. It's a reemerging. And it's not a coincidence that all these societies that did emerge around 6,000 plus years ago, all of them have this flood myth. They all have these stories of these cataclysmic.

Because that story was passed on generation to generation, all the people that survived. And what we're getting is the ultimate game of telephone. We're getting the ultimate game of people telling a story and then you tell story and that by Tommy gets to Jamie, who knows what's missing, who knows what's been added, who knows what Farrow has added his touch to it, or what King has decided that this park

“can't be in there because it doesn't drive with this particular religious text that I believe”

in. It's a real problem. It's a real problem.

We go back and we try to figure out what happened in history.

But the things that should confound everyone and should absolutely remind you that we don't know is the pyramids. They should just remind you, look at that, shut the fuck up. There's no way you know. You don't know what was going on.

We could only make guesses and we have to be very open minded when we make these guesses because the sheer scale of these fantastic creations. And not just them. The labrants that go underneath it, the one that has this enormous 40 meter long metallic object that's under the ground that they don't know what the fuck it is, Herodidus talked about

these labrants. These are greater than Giza, he said, what were these people doing and how did they do it? We don't know.

“You have such an important couple of words in there.”

One of them is this knowing concept.

Yes. If we continue to try to make stories out of our mind to explain the world we live in, the cosmos and in all of its complexities or the human body and its miraculous thing, we're going to end up with very disempowered versions of reality. So what should we do instead?

Feel it instead of knowing. Okay. How you feel how they made the pyramids? You're already doing it. I'm watching you do it because you keep looking up here every time you're like really going

after the pyramids, you look way up. I do that with everything. I'm trying to think. Exactly. Yeah.

But what's actually happening is once you've done that four or five times your body starts putting the information in and then your start speaking from some other thing that you're in mind and that's when you come up with this conviction and I can feel it. So when my antenna is open, I can feel you state your truth through your body language, through the energy you're transmitting across this table and I'm not listening to your words

anymore. I'm feeling that your truth is fundamentally that pyramids exist. Things too complex to our own human mind and technologies exist. They're here right now. They're undeniable.

They're transmitting a truth that I don't have to like work on the words that I can feel it and it lands for so long I was trained to look up here and I spent all of this time 17 years in academia looking up here trying to find my information map of like oh there's that piece of information and there's that piece of information let me put that

“into a story because that's what I know.”

I had my near-death experience in 2010 and when I experienced the peace and the opening that happens with car accident in 2010 when you have that experience you suddenly realize that what you know is a fraction of what you can feel and you have so much more information at your experiential level of capacity to inform your biology than the mind will ever be able to create and so this is where we start to live telepathically and this could all

be theoretical but I will tell you I have seen thousands of patients in my clinics that are living this reality already they have already gone back to telepathic communication wide open and they are called autistic people autism is a neurologic development necessary at the end of a period of time when humans went into complete abstraction money systems went abstract have nothing no relationship to nature we have medical systems that are actually

chronic disease management systems that are bankrupting the world now five trillion dollars and a year spent on disease management in the United States alone we are bankrupting the systems that got separated from nature they are going to collapse they are going to fail and suddenly we develop a neurology that cannot be programmed with the old abstract systems and belief systems because they are feeling too much we call it sensory processing deficits

but really what it is is a mind that's no longer gated with excuses with defense mechanisms with tolerance levels of cognitive dissonance is this why have you seen that this is a one young boy who flew over Manhattan and helicopter and then he drew the entire skyline like completely accurately just from his memory yeah and it's it's you know a project that's

season of that talking through what I experienced in clinic is that we now have not just a theory of telepathic communication we have the lived experience between thousands of people that are in there in there between space between the words they are traveling to a unified location that they all agree exist which is called the hill and so they are having a experience in which massive amounts of information are being transmitted back and forth

and they cannot be programmed with death is bad and things you know they can't believe any of the abstract things we've been taught because they feel too much the reason I became so

“clear on this was total accident my clinic which is the only way new ideas come along is”

complete accidents because when we when we do scientific research it's way too linear we see something like well if that's happened then this must be the way it is well if I just saw that

then this must be always we do these linear you know knowledge based systems and so we get nowhere

we go in circles and well cancer must be here we have known cancer wasn't the problem we knew that cancer was a metabolic symptom a symptom of metabolic collapse a hundred years ago so well defined in medical literature everything else out of wordberg was the idea like broke the whole news in 1920s so here we are a hundred years later still thinking that cancer is coming out of the woodworking and attacking healthy human body so we go on these linear things what we are forgetting is

these leaps in awareness these a much bigger antenna system is available to us and you only get there when you finally surrender your knowledge base and you start to feel what's happening in

“front of you and so I was taught that there was a disease called autism that was affecting our”

children and for years I helped manage these people in clinics and everywhere they showed up in

the medical system and I saw this disease in my linear mind was always like I got I got to fix

that maybe if I do this I could fix the human brain maybe if we flipped this switch it'll work maybe if we put this chemical in their body we can change their neurochemistry and get them to be able to tolerate a day my clinic that I launched in 2010 was called Revolution Health Center rural clinic time town of 550 people no resources mine entirely there was no reason this was going to become an explosive hub of innovation if you measured it by money I was hammering money I was not making money

as a doctor at all rural doctor had left the halid halls in the marble halls of academia and I started seeing autistic kids a lot in these rural environments and in the inner city of urban environments is where we have these really high penetrants of autism it's not being diagnosed

“because they're all the resources to bring the attention to like child's five seven years old and”

by that time there's been no resources brought to the kids so lots of undiagnosed you know autistic neurology out there so I seeing a lot of inclinic and these kids are heavily affected in the suffering is kind through the roof they are hitting their head against a wall six eight hours a day they have a call us on their forehead from rhythmically hitting their head striking their head against a wall and when they get upset somebody comes in their environment stresses them

they start smearing feces and blood on the walls it is from parenting aspect the most horrific hell you can possibly live in the amount of suffering being expressed and so these kids with highly affected autism were coming in my clinic and they can't even sit in front of you they run around in the clinic room and they can't make eye contact can't make physical they're feeling too much and they'll go hiding a corner hit their head against a wall stem somehow they're

stem stemming their body and tell them the chaos of everything they're taking in as shut down to one signal of pain so this is an intense way to see him being and this kids four years old sitting in front of you and this mother is more exhausted than you've ever seen a human being and so we started trying to like go into the woodwork of like what resources are we not thinking of here and by this time I was starting to be exposed to Native American indigenous practices and new energetic

therapies you bring cream stuff out of Egypt and it was like okay show me something give me some tool here and we stumbled upon this very simple tool which is called a motion code therapy and it's a simple way of bringing the minds into awareness of where an emotion is stored inside of itself and then you run a magnet over the forehead over the top of the head to reset the the magnetic

pull of the water around the brain and it changes the neural chemistry and so it's a powerful tool

I was super excited about it but most of these kids coming in so if I didn't even get close enough for me to do the therapy so we started doing it on the moms to show the kid hey this is safe and they'd come in get a couple treatment after two years of this we started realize all of the kids were improving before we ever got that treatment installed they were improving when mom got treated that started and made me realize they're not expressing a personal experience they're expressing

better and so we started treating everybody in the field and a heavily-autistic child will require

“three to five full-time efforts to get it so they got a grandma two aunties and uncle two brothers”

that are taking care of the kid and we started treating the whole field like anybody who has touched with this kid in a week we want to see them who want to do them to clear their emotional field the effect was just undeniably effective every time you cleared another individual who's emotional field was being felt by the kid the kid improved and so what I started to realize is these kids because they are wide open antenna that cannot damp themselves down they don't have the

filters that would allow them to survive in an abstract fake environment that's artificial thrown through they cannot do it and so all they can do is feel everything and now they're feeling

what those native cultures must have felt when European showed up for the first time

neurology systems that are wide open that suddenly see an abstract human being in the suffering they are in will collapse its own neurology will overwhelm the system and so the same thing

“that our autistic are showing today I believe it's very similar what it must have felt like to be”

an anchor my and your habitat and suddenly see the field disrupted by a stress signal and unbelievable signal that just broke the whole field so we have stories about floods but we're still thinking of the flood as I physical you know wave of water that came over is it possible that the flood was actually a neurologic experience of overwhelm that wiped out the entire memory bank did we do that when a sector of humanity truly experienced and believed itself to be separate

from nature for a moment was there an early phase of humanity they're mutually exclusive and I think there's a lot of physical evidence that the impact the younger drives impact theory specifically is right there's water I agree water goes up and down I agree that there's massive floods but when we talk about the ink and the aspect there was no flood at that time so what I'm really

“getting at is is it possible there's something other than just physical floods can there be”

energy right so in that case these settlers coming across not just the diseases but just the fact that they were there they can be scattered rotters these people are coming on horseback they have muskets they think they've been kicked out of nature for a thousand years they're terrified they're cutting people's arms off they don't give them their weight and gold yeah yeah they're breaking the field yeah you've read some of the depicted there was um was it a a bishop or

some someone traveled with some religious person traveled with Columbus's first crew and wrote

these horrific depictions of what they did to the native people that they found and once they found that these people had gold they demanded their weight and gold were cutting their arms off and dashing babies heads on rocks they were the horrific stuff I figured that the guy who it was but it was some religious figure who traveled with them areas Bartolome de Las Casas so um he's the Spanish lawyer clergyman writer and activist best known for his work as a historian

and social reformer so this is the guy and so he he recorded with the Spanish settlers did he described and rallied against the atrocities committed by the conquistadors against the indigenous people arriving is one of the first Spanish settlers in America let's cost us initially participating the colonial economy built on forced indigenous labor but eventually felt compelled to oppose the abuses committed by European colonists against the indigenous population so he's one of

the reasons why we know that we probably shouldn't be celebrating Columbus day why wasn't a great guy knew and I wish it was just in history but it's still happening yes the cartels are still doing that down and throughout this whole region that we're talking about they're still beheading people with machetes and they're still at this and and we as the United States have killed more people than any other people's in history we have been a machine of death for 250 years like none

other and we've done in the name of freedom and we've done in the name of you know our god is better than you're gone and so we have used these altruistic shields to become the biggest death machine

in the world incredible medical paper was published just recently in the Lancet and it looked at

the number of global deaths from just U.S. economic sanctions over the last 40 years and the numbers are on 35 million people dead 35 million people did not with a single tank not with a single plane in the air not a single drone from economic sanctions and so when we keep telling

therefore we need money the assurance of health will never come from a company that doesn't care

“about you it will always come from biology it will always come from an earth that allowed you to”

conceive in your mother's womb well we're in a very preventive system if the health is dependent upon these organizations whose primary focus is to make the most money possible that's crazy and then recommend to you drugs that you absolutely don't need and then hide studies of these drugs are damaging to you it's crazy unless you think that everything comes from money and then it makes sense yeah well it makes sense it you know the old adage money is the root of all evil it's that's

when did that get written who wrote that what quotes that from I know that quotes so well I have

no idea who wrote it do you man that's that's the oldest adage in politics I wanted to

who's credited with that they probably stole up from somebody else is it said the Bible there you go wow there you go so that would have been aromack it's Timothy was speaking aromack aromake was

“a critical language that has been forgotten in our Christian world of New Testament Old Testament's”

but most of us written or spoken in aromack not Hebrew and not the Dead Sea Scrolls it's all an aromack all an aromack the Dead Sea Scrolls are bananas and if you look at the language of aromack then we're getting a layer to back from abstraction where there's actually shaped to those that are actually transmitting information there's something about looking at that written language as well that's really compelling your antennas up yeah especially like old languages or something

about like old Hindu you look at like ancient Hindu scripts ancient Tibetans look at farcey yes farcey yes made goose mobs when I read farcey when you look at aromay poem written in farcey you realize he wasn't transmitting a poem he has so much mathematical truth in a and a thing that's in the form he's telling you geometry he's telling you sacred geometry the fabric of the universe in the form of a language that is not symbolic it's it's a true depiction

of information if really is interesting the body these ancient languages are so beautiful ancient Hebrews and other one it's beautiful you look at it like this is wild to look at you know and then when you find out that ancient Hebrew they didn't have numbers so the letters doubled as numbers and so there was there was actually numerical value in words that were missing like when the translations got to Latin and Greek and eventually English like we lost what they were

trying there was something that they were saying that if they could read it they knew there was there was more context to these words that just simply you know you're talking about a bush you're talking about a tree you're talking about a lake now there's there's something to it it's really really interesting stuff because it's like why did why did language get less complex as it got more recent that seems strange they got more symbolic so it wasn't necessarily the

complexity that was a problem is that it was separated itself from the actual information so now

the word tree is a symbol of something that actually has never been a noun so now we have a word

that has no movement in it it's a noun it does not express movement and we now assess you know 60% of the surface of the earth as a non-living non-moving thing called a tree whereas all native cultures when you ask them what is that they will use a verb and so the what they're saying is that is tree that's tree that's tree really not using a verb so all verbs English was the first language has come around and characterized everything has a noun and that's

why it became the language of science is because science broke its relationship to motion it wanted everything to be static therefore studyable therefore we could control its variables and so every time somebody shows you a cancer study so as you a cardiovascular disease study I did this for years we got a peer-reviewed science everything else I was literally having to break

“every element of nature so that I could prove that my protein coop TF1 was the most important”

thing for cancer I had to break every relationship to nature that that cancer cell capacity we have before I could study that protein and so everything that we call trust the science these days is an aberration it's a symbol of life it is not life itself and so science itself has become there's a noun structured belief system that has no no flow and there's no verbing happening in science it's there's a bacteria there's a mitochondria there's a human cell and we think of

more ways to stack complexity to get more and more light concentrated per cubic centimeter

“and everything is in one relationship there is no tree human thing there's life doing biosis”

interconnected relationships and this is getting very fun now is that we actually got the science now to prove that we were wrong and so we think okay here's human DNA double helix Watson and Crick this is Bible of the biologic kingdom now everything comes from DNA and human DNA is much better than bacterial DNA because bacteria just have little circle loops of DNA we have this beautiful spiraling double helix this is got to be the best in the land

then we start in 1992 we set out to decode the human genome and we thought well this is

amazing it's going to be a 40 year project we knew how many you know genes we could decode each year

with our genetics sequencers so we thought we're going to have to find 400,000 genes because we knew it by this time that we had 400,000 different proteins in a human body so we're like well we're need to find a gene for each of those because we knew that a gene made in RNA that then made a protein we knew how it worked Ross and Crick started us off 1996 rolls around and the team finishes 25 years ahead of schedule because there were not 400,000 genes there was 25,000 genes

everybody laughed said you screwed it up three more teams finished over the next two years the first team was wrong there was not 25,000 genes there was 19,000 genes they had miscounted because they had dual counted some of them we have less than 20,000 human genes that make a human body the reason why that's so embarrassing is because a flee has 30,000 genes a fruit fly has 13,000 genes so you sit somewhere between a flee and a fruit fly

genetically in fact you're a little closer to the fruit fly than the flee that's probably why the flee can jump 40 times the titan you can't but there is something sitting here right in front of us at the genetic level saying to be human is not to be a species and so what is all of that DNA doing there's so much DNA in a human how can we have so few of that how small of that information actually coding a gene and turns out the numbers one and a half percent one and a half

percent of the DNA held inside of a human cell is actually coding for a gene 98.5 percent

we ended up calling junk DNA so it was called junk DNA for 25 years until somebody started to realize that we were preserving our junk DNA more carefully and passing that to our young

“than we were the genes and so there's something super important being preserved by biology”

from generation generation all this junk DNA what we now have found out is the mitochondria again 200 mitochondria many different species variants living inside a single human cell because they changed their genetic sequencing very rapidly and so you got maybe you know a couple hundred different versions of mitochondria sitting in a single human brain cell those turns out are storing their genetic information in the double heat mix of the human cell and they go in

access inside the human nucleus the gene that is theirs for their own reproductive capacity and pull an RNA out of that come and decode a protein so they can reproduce every three days it's a pretty entire life so the mitochondria are storing their genes in the human cells this was this doesn't fit any biological map of Watson Creek you're starting to realize there's a collective expression

“of in the antenna of being human and that's what DNA ends up being as it is actually an”

antenna system that's taking in information and then unwinding and rewinding to reveal different genetic sequences to all of life within a human ecosystem so we are now convinced genetically that it's impossible that a human is a species else would be somewhere between a flea and a fruit fly the magic of being human is in the 98.5% of our DNA that doesn't code for a human gene that is likely coding for all of life that's what it means to be a keystone species genetically is

we are the life we are the life record it is happening through us in us around us life is ascending through a biologic matrix that we call a human body but it is not a species is an ecosystem and 70 years ago we started the antibiotic era and we started wiping out the diversity inside of human body and so the toxicity of herbicides and pesticides have very little to do to their impact on a human cell it has to do with the impact on the entire ecosystem that's expressing itself through

this massive genomic library that is so big we can't even wrap our head around if we strong you end to end you've got around 50 to 70 trillion human cells each of those cells has about a meter of DNA bundled inside of every nucleus of every cell if we strong you end and we could wrap

Joe around the circumference of the planet right at the equator 2 million times

to hold a record and a code for all of life on earth it will not surprise me that in the coming

years we start to realize the entire code is here we have found out just recently that you could take the human genome and range it into 178 puzzle pieces and spell pig perfectly the genome is this

“warehouse of life of earth it's not belonging to a human species and I believe that this is where”

we are going to really spend a lot of our new excitement around what it means to be human as we start to move into our next era the antibiotic era is coming to an end it's crippled our biology and our fertility point where we we cannot continue it well how do we move past it we become biologic again we're going to end the chemical anti biotic era and we're going to begin moving to the biological

renaissance you you talked a couple times about this moment of like remembering like the renaissance

that we can all point to sudden explosion and math science are massive you know it doesn't make any sense what was happening 50 years before the renaissance and then the renaissance and what would happen the next 200 years is it was a parametric explosion of creativity of human capacity human mind capacity creativity what is it coincide with a remembrance the antenna opened up and so this is the moment we're about to re-enter now as we're going into the next renaissance and it's happening in people

like Dr. Ebrahim Green out of each he suddenly remembering the technology of the higher gloves he's remembering the technology of wave form and it's influence on biology he's not in there inventing this stuff I've sat with him in cafes and I'll say well what about this disease here and he

goes just for a split second into his antenna draws the shape on the napkin slices across the

table he's not producing the stuff he's remembering the stuff the antenna is opening up on human kind right now and autism is our supercharge version of that the autistic neurology has so wide open that we're going to have no choice but to be it start to remember everything a kid flies over New York

“once can remember the entire escape that's what our antenna is capable of doing autistic children are”

not abnormally genius they are minds that are unfiltered and bodies that are still in a context of nature they have not separated when I sit with an indigenous elder in Africa the Koi people the Koi have been around for 300,000 years they have an unbroken oral history for a hundred thousand years with exceptional that blank point 11,000 to 7,000 years ago and so they also suffered the amnesia but a hundred thousand years of normal tradition is spectacular twice as long as anything else on

planet average of 40,000 Native Americans 40,000 deep fruit of 30,000 hundred thousand years of undeninterrupted information you sit with one of these elders and they have all of the experiential traits that the the autistic communities they can go to the hill they can communicate telepathically with the forest system they can tell you what the panther is saying they can tell you what the moon cycle is saying not because they've studied it because they're literally just listening

to the information they're receiving the information this new Renaissance is beginning is a biological reconnection that is going to be available to us so much information that we're not going to sit here on listening to podcasts of wondering scratching our heads about how did the pyramids happen like what did we we're going to start doing it again because there's a Southern understanding of how water and carbon work how how how much work you can do instantaneously when you master the ability of the

antenna of a human being to organize matter the pyramids were not built they were organized if

“that makes sense I believe that when you feel what's happening inside a pyramid this was a this was”

all an energetic expression this is a frequency wavelength expression of something that was energeticly polarity here it's an emergent reality that is made by biology when it feels the whole field right but how how do they put it together so the people that are remembering this that are starting to feel what's this it's they did it through mind they did it literally through transmitting information into the natural materials and so they would cut with their mind

with frequency as a transmitter to cut the stones to organize stones to move anti-gravity everything else and you're bringing this to everybody's attention all the time these UAPs and everything else that are rushing around here gravity only exists in one plane of reality here and so there's anti-gravity

that's gravity so gravity is the distance plus the mass or the mass squared plus the distance between

“that are multiplied by the distance between the two bodies there and so you need two bodies in”

relationship to create the phenomena of gravity not surprisingly you couldn't put a wave form between those two that interrupt that relationship and so when you start to think this way then UAPs and your pyramids all start to make sense like we're so Newtonian in our current belief system we've forgotten how to believe in quantum physics because we became so committed to the mechanical reality that Newton offered us Newton said this happens therefore this happens you know

everything is action reaction reaction reaction maybe or everything is creation is the right relationship between action reaction actually polarity instead of one thing reacting to the other what do you think is fueling this current reservoir of Renaissance I think it's getting to the breaking point of human neurology we can no longer sustain the stories we it took so much energy first to all believe the stories together

everything you've ever talked about on this podcast is pushing you you I don't even know if you know you're doing this you are pushing the human neurology to its breaking point with every podcast you're challenging the human mind to stretch past as capacity to keep the old stories alive

“you're breaking minds that's why we love you is I have a great affection for all people who do this”

and you're one of these people doing this you are a breaker of false things and you have

an incredible device that you use all the time which is curiosity it just won't let you sit still

you're too fucking curious I I love this about you because this is why I was excited to come your podcast not so I could talk about anything so I could feel you I wanted to feel what this feels like because this has to be one of the most freaking curious motherfuckers on the planet what a gift to sit in front of a curious human being there's nothing that feels better to a human neurology than sensing the other the impregnation that Dr. Abraham

Green mentioned there that field effect of two fields that come into presence together and imprint impregnate the other one it's your curiosity that's got everybody paying attention we love it because you're not here to tell us you know everything and fact you keep a challenge is that we don't know anything you've said it five times on this but we don't know that feels so good to a neurology we don't know well I also think many people are curious

and they also want to hear from other people that are curious as well because we live in this weird world where we've been deceived into thinking that people have short attention spans it's not true like our your attention spent can be hijacked by short attention span media but doesn't mean you have a short attention span most people that I know if there's a thing that they like there's a thing that they're interested in they have immense attention for it

whether it's a sporting event or a concert that they go to there's a lot of things that you have a lot of attention for it's just it has to actually resonate with you and people love when other people are curious because they're curious most people are curious oh humans are curious yeah oh humans that's after not there's something wrong you're not human well you just blunted life as life has thrown you some curve balls and I didn't know how to duck oh you can definitely

turn a curiosity off into human no flesh you just separate them from nature long enough and you drug them you know that's just a symptom of nature deficit disorder I think yeah I think you're right

“yeah I think that's why one of the best remedies for people that are depressed is physical exercise”

get them out nature yeah get them go out nature go hike it and get them for seven days thing that makes you feel alive gets your blood pumping because that's what's supposed to happen that's

I was supposed to exist it's been shown three nights of camping outside never go inside for three days

your immune system reverts thirty years your tea cells turn back on all your stem cells activate we are living a blended human experience because we separate ourselves from nature did you ever watch the Warnerhurst dog documentary a happy people no it's really fantastic tell me about these people that live in Siberia and they're so happy there's like no mental illness and it's it's called happy people life life in the tiger so it's all these people that are

off the tiger river and these people live a subsistence lifestyle they they're they're hunt and they fish and that's that's all they do they write around on snowmobiles they build cabins they live with their dogs sounds like my life yeah it's it's quite fascinating because these people don't have any mental illness they're all happy they're all they're all they're

laughing and then they go about their work and then they exist completely in embedded in nature they

“are nature they're part of it and I would offer they're not working at all they're creating”

they're living they're creating they're living it's act this was awesome this is really fascinating we gotta do this again can I show you a picture of how we got here oh yeah show me a picture how we got it all right let's just I want to I want to go there that next slide because it's gonna orient us to like what's actually happening to humankind right now okay and so we we have established clearly that natures the context of and it connected interconnected life and so

I can go back once oh yeah that one will work yeah so go ahead and that one and so this is looking at the effect of glyphosate on ATP which is energy production per cubic centimeter and so this is looking at that and this is vehicle meaning control and so you're producing about 1600 peak moles per milligram of ATP these are the mitochondria turning carbon chains of carbohydrates and fatty acids back into light energy and so you've got this mass of energy potential and then

“within 30 minutes of introduction to just one part per million of glyphosate which is a common amount”

that you would see in a lot of your your chemical pharmed food systems we've seen this all the way

down to 10 parts per billion which is you know a thousand times a smaller quantity here and so

at these levels though you see a sudden collapse of of the ATP production and so now imagine in 1976 we start eating food with residues of this chemical and suddenly we shut down light per cubic centimeter for the first time in human history more effectively than ever probably and so I'm going to show you on a population scale of billions of people what happens when you start to undermine the light per cubic centimeter and so you start at obesity in 1980s four years after introduction of

this chemical to our food system from there you end up seeing the collapse of the metabolism that we call diabetes diabetes is a condition that stems from the obesity in the liver obesity is not because you're eating too many calories is because the calories can no longer be burned at the mitochondria level which is where they should be ending up so obesity happens when you're eating two thousand three thousand calories a day and can only burn fifteen hundred calories a day

because you're mitochondria've been poisoned by an antibiotic that's killing the bacteria in the soil just as they're killing the bacteria inside your cells which are mitochondria and so as we started seeing these increasing levels of glyphosate and heading through the system you end up with diabetes within a few years because fat stored in the liver which is where everything gets redirected to

if it can't burn in the cell well ultimately give you insulin resistance as you get insulin resistance

insulin cannot get the carbohydrates into the cell anyways so now you're starving twice you can't burn it at the mitochondria level and you can't get the sugar there by the 1990s we started to develop widespread allergies the most energy demanding system in the body is the immune system as the immune system started to fail and it's metabolic capacity relationship started to fail and we suddenly started to develop reactive relationships the foods we were eating

wheat in 1992 starts causing a mass of allergy to to gluten and the glee aid and compound in there interacts with glyphosate to synergistically fracture this metabolic capacity we don't have gluten sensitivity we have a metabolic collapse that's called glyphosate poisoning I'll show you

the period of your science we publish from that within a couple years of allergy which is basically

overwhelmed of the immune system to your environment you ultimately end up with autoimmune disease this is where your body no longer can sense what's outside and what's inside and your body becomes the enemy so autoimmune disease is a steady destruction of your own body by your own immune system that can't tell it's you you've lost cellular identity within a couple years of that we develop neurologic conditions ADHD and autism and our children Alzheimer's and Parkinson's and

our adults as well as MSLS and all the other neurologic general conditions in the middle in a two-year period they all went logarithmic by the early 2000s we're starting realize we're in the middle of a cancer epidemic this is when I was at the University of Virginia developing chemotherapy and so cancer epidemic launches initially it's really obviously leukemia as the phone was all these bone marrow things and it's pretty soon by the late 2000s it's solid tumors it's

prostate cancer breast cancer colon cancer all of them going logarithmic and so just this explosion

“of cancer and that's not because I think there was more carcinogens around it's because there was”

less life there was less light per cubic centimeter so every time we go down this ladder we're seeing less metabolic capacity left light per cubic centimeter by the early 2010s we see this collapse of fertility around the world today to that 110 countries around the world are below the the fertility rate necessary for replacement 110 countries below you know it stays as wave low 1.6 and set of 2.1 infertility goes global by the early 2010s,

defects and we can no longer detox the body so we develop stories about Lyme disease and all these

“conditions of infections when in fact this is toxicity they can no longer escape the body because”

we don't have the repair and detox mechanisms there because the metatlas and the life light

energy per cubic centimeter is diminishing finally we see the the emergence of gender dysregulation

happening in the womb and so this is probably started in in pockets around the world a couple decades ago but by the 2010s mid mid 15s we see this happening regularly and what's happening here is the the biology is staying at neutral every fetus ever developed in the womb of a woman starts at neutral neither male nor female it starts at neutral and then around 90 days of embryologic development it requires an explosion of energy from the mitochondria within it and it

takes that 90 days really not to do anything at the human level but you're growing the garden you're growing the microbial garden inside the human to get ready for this massive energy discharge that's going to polarize the biology to become male or female so to move from neutral

“to male or neutral of female requires this huge energetic thing that we call puberty so the first”

puberty happens at 90 days in the womb there's another one that happens late phase in utero and then there's a the more typical when you see around four or five years old where you start to see differentiation of some of the physical features of boys and girls and then the classic one around 10 to 13 years old and then another one around 18 to 21 then a final burst that happens in your late 20s so we go through all of these huge energetic discharges that create

polarity that move you away from neutral to one or the other of the sexes and this isn't like sexes of preference this is literal neurologic expression this is the neurology the deep brain forming the behavioral traits of a human being to become male traits female traits if you've ever had two kids I don't know if you got kids but I've got a daughter and a son there both adults now in married and thriving but when you watch a kid develop it's unbelievable what's pre-programmed

in there the male traits can appear by the time they're you know six months nine months old they're doing something different than their sister did at that same phase so there's what we're talking about is this deep programming of the biology as it goes away from center by the time we had this much glyphosate in the system so this whole cascade from 1976 to 2020 you're looking at this yellow line that's traveling up there that's the the amount of glyphosate sprayed into our global environment

today we spray three billion to four billion pounds of glyphosate into our global soils

three billion pounds of anything is disgusting but this is unbelievable amount of antibiotic that much antibiotic has reduced the metabolic glyphores of our planet and our species to the point where we have a chronic disease explosion by the 1990s and infertility collapse of the species and then gender dysregulation so this is how a species goes extinct as it loses its metabolic capacity to concentrate light energy light per cubic centimeter is how life occurs

biosis is the interconnected relationships that make life possible you undermine those relationships you decrease the number of relations per cubic centimeter and you start to see this pattern of evolving of a decrease in repair and regeneration and so your rate of repair versus your rate of injury suddenly goes out of whack and a previous rate of injury of eating bread gluten has a slight impact on you on your gut and gut behavior slight decrease there and you lose fidelity

and the the whole thing starts to grade so I've spent the last 15 years in my life building systems with people around us that are already tuning into this wider antenna to say what does bios you look like fully supported so we've created this these online programs called journey which is journeying humanity back into natural systems to fully support not only the biology and the way it repairs or generates but fully open up the antenna to remember what we were supposed

to be doing here to remember what it feels like to be between heaven and earth to be floating in this

“cosmic stew of curiosity creativity productivity that's what's going to make humans humans again”

so when we allow our children to become between again and start to stop being programmed in a machine-like behavior and start to open up their antenna we can decide to do that as a society and proactively go about this or autism will emerge to the point where one and three children will have autism by 2035 and we do this anyways we are going to develop a neurology to escape our our mechanical

history our anti nature anti biotic nature is going to come to end because bodies are always

going to win nature is always going to reinvent yourself out of whatever stressors pushing on her right that moment right now human behavior is pushing on nature if we stop doing that and we let nature come back in we get to be part of the solution we can become part of we step right back into

read more about what was your website sack bush empty is the website and the book is biological

“elegance and you're going to only find it there we're not putting on an Amazon we're not asking”

anybody to go after money or abstract systems we're asking for engagement I don't want followers

I want builders I want creators I want the co-creators that are going to come build this new world with us

“this is my excitement and passion I think you're doing a great job pushing us like well thank you”

and I know you're going to get a lot of people to check this out now I'm very excited this is a fun

conversation let's definitely do another one I look forward all right thank you very much