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>> I've seen a lot of your content online, but the one that got me the most was absolutely the giant in Afghanistan, the Kandahar giant story, and I don't know if you know, but I had Devon LaRotte on the podcast, the armrestler, and he told a story about how when he was in the Canadian military, he was deployed, and Afghanistan, and one of the guys that he was working with over there had to have a conversation with a warlord, with a local warlord,

and he said this guy was eight feet tall, he said this guy was fucking huge, and not just tall, but wide. He said it was the biggest man he's ever seen in his life. Well, I've heard a lot of things about giants in Afghanistan, and I find that, you know, I talk about a lot of different topics, I talk about a lot of UFO stuff, and I say some

things that I know are, that I know could get me in trouble, but nothing makes me more nervous than talking about giants specifically the Kandahar giant, and the giants in Kandahar in general. Why? Mainly because when I talk to people who know things, they're very, very nervous when we get to this topic, and some of them will just flat out will not talk about giants in general,

but specifically giants in Afghanistan, and some of these guys are high-level guys that worked at the Pentagon, and they'll talk rather freely with me about UFOs. But as soon as we broke this topic, it's like they weren't, they literally will warn me, be careful with this topic. What?

What do you make of that?

“Well, I think that the topic of giants is intermatched with the occult.”

That's my personal theory, because nothing else makes sense. Who cares if there's eight foot tall guys, right? Big deal. Well, there's eight foot tall humans, right? We were just talking about that young kid that's a basketball player at 7 foot 9, right?

There's a few. Yeah. So there's actual giants that are in public, right? They're like, play for the NBA, and they're out there, you can meet them. But when I talk, when I say giants, I'm talking about nine to 12 feet tall.

Right. That's eight to 12 feet tall. I would classify an eight foot tall person as a giant as well, as long as they don't have giganticism. Right.

That's a completely different thing. Right. Giantism is a disability. This can't a hard giant story is very crazy, because what's interesting about it is the people that I've talked to that have been in Afghanistan that were deployed in Afghanistan,

not just Devon, but other people. They don't dismiss, they say, we've heard some words shit about that place.

The thing that they always say is, you got to realize, like, Afghanistan is an old country.

It's old, and it's very remote, like most of it is very mountainous. It's controlled by warlords. And look, there's these, what are those, are they Greek or Roman, those structures that are there, that Greek, they look like Greek temples that date back to Alexander the Great. And archeologists can't study though.

They can't go there, because it's too dangerous. That's one of the most remote places on the planet, specifically because it's so dangerous. You can't just go strolling around to have Afghanistan. You probably would be easier to go to Antarctica than Afghanistan. So the story of the Kandahar Giant.

Yeah, let's tell the story. This story has grown into a mythology over the years. Years ago, I was working with a gentleman named Steve Quail, and we started a production company called Gen 6 Productions. And we were making documentary films mainly about giants, mainly on the topic of giants.

Giants as like refer to it in the Bible, in ancient history, the Smithsonian giants. That's right, biblical and historical accounts of giants. So I was traveling around the world, investigating giants, and Steve is known for his investigations into giants.

“And he got a phone call from an elderly woman who told him, "You need to talk to my son.”

My son has a story he needs to tell you."

And she had to convince her son to talk to Steve, and ultimately he did.

And he was active duty. He was a C-130 pilot, active duty. He actually went on coast to coast with Steve.

him, Steve and George.

“And then later on, we flew him into Bozoon, Montana to put him in our documentary film”

that we were making, and he wanted to be filmed in silhouette.

He did not want his face out there, even though he knew that they were going to be able to mark him just by his voice. So he flies into Bozoon. We meet with him. He shows us his credentials.

He was active duty, C-130. And then he told us the following story, among many other things that he told us. He said, back in 2005, he was deployed in Afghanistan and Iraq, running missions, as a C-130 cargo pilot. And oftentimes, they would have him fly into Bozoon near field.

And these were routine missions, and so on one of these missions, he's flying into Bozoon. But this time, when he landed, he was met, as soon as he de-plained. He was met on the tarmac by some individuals that he describes as the babysitters. He calls him the babysitters. He thinks they were either army intelligence or air force intelligence guys.

They didn't tell him. But this was different because when he disembarked, they told him, no photos, no mention

of this ever, this never happened.

“So he knew that whatever was about to happen was top secret.”

And he had flown classified missions before, usually retrieving teleband guys, what he described his high-valued assets. And this was different because the intelligence guys on the tarmac waiting for something. And it turns out what they were waiting for was the cargo that was being delivered on a fork lift to the C-130.

And the pilot says that the first thing that struck him, as this cargo was moving toward him and his crew, was the odor. He said it smelled like this musk be-o in death, and it was extremely pungent. And when the cargo arrived, it was on an air cargo pallet, which is 7 by 9. And there was a, he could see that there was a person on the pallet in the fetal position.

And this individual was so large that his hands and his feet and part of his head were hanging off the pallet. And he and his loadmaster and there were some Marines who accompanied the pallet who accompanied this cargo. They were actually putting their feet up to this guy's feet, this dead giant's feet.

And seeing how small their feet were compared to his. Now the giant head right here, he had six fingers on each hand, six toes on each foot. His feet were wrapped in like a crude canvas foot wrapping. And he was solid as a rock. Again, most of his body was covered by a tarp, but the pilot and the guys around him were

hitting him with their fists. And he came up to about their midsection, laying in the fetal position. And the pilot told me he was solid as a rock, this guy. And he asked the Marines, "What happened? What did this guy come from?" And they told him that they had heard that there was a team that was out in Afghanistan

that was looking for Taliban or something. And they came upon a cave because there was an nearby village and the villagers were were bringing food and other artifacts to the mouth of this cave. And so they thought that they're eating and embedding the Taliban. So they went into the cave and rather than encountering the Taliban, what they found was

this enormous humanoid who killed them all. And then according to these soldiers, they deployed another team to go look for that team. And when they found the cave, they found the traces of that other team. They were ready, they were prepared, and they were able to kill the giant. In fact, the soldiers told the pilot that the giant was eating on members of the team

who he had, who had killed previously. But these new guys, they took him down and then they had a transport helicopter come in and airlift him to Vogueroom. This episode is brought to you by Squarespace, the home of my website, JoeRogan.com.

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Did you ever try to find records of who was there and casualties that were reported, deaths that were reported? It's very difficult. The Pentagon actually released the statement some years ago, which is bizarre to me.

You know, basically saying in paraphrasing, the "Kandahar" giant incident never happened.

There was never a giant that was killed in Afghanistan. The Pentagon. It was a replacement. It was like a spokesman from the Pentagon or something, or released from the Pentagon. Does this available online?

Yeah. They actually felt the need to debunk this. That's hilarious. Now, that gets me sketchy.

“Well, I believe the pilot because he was a very credible guy.”

He didn't want his name out there, he didn't want fame or notoriety. He was very nervous. He thought there's a good chance that they're going to recognize me by my voice. He was on coast to coast to M. And then he's on in our documentary. There's a good chance someone to get recognized and there's going to be some reprisal.

He was nervous. Now, they weighed the giant before they loaded him on the C130 because they have to load everything that goes under the C130, the loadmaster weighed him. He weighed 1100 pounds. Then they estimated his height at 10 to 12 feet tall.

So they loaded him onto the C130 and then they flew him to Qatar and then they unloaded the cargo on Qatar. Our pilot told me, he heard through the grapevine that the body ended up at Wright-Patterson, here for space. He said, "I don't know.

That's just what I heard."

So this is a first-hand account from the C130 pilot who flew the body himself from

Barbara Mayerfield to Qatar.

“Why does all the weird shit go to Wright-Patterson?”

That's a good question. Because that's where the weird shit goes. Wright-Patterson used to have the blue room. I don't know if they still have it. But they used to have a room there called the blue room where they had all of the alien artifacts

that had been recovered and that they were studying. And it was completely off limits to anybody except for people who had access, the very few who had access. But the Candahar giant, you know, that story, a colleague of mine, Ali Marcelli, he had another guy come to him a different guy.

We interviewed the pilot, Steven, I, LA had another guy come to him that I can't remember the details. He was a special forces guy.

He had first-hand knowledge of the event as well.

And we're not sure if it's the same one or a different one. And if there was just one incident with the giants or if there were multiple incidents. Now years later, this would be just a couple of years ago because we published that film, I think back in 2016. But just a couple of years ago, and I do have to be very careful here.

I ran into a gentleman who was very high up, let's say, in the operations happening out there during the Iraq War, and in Afghanistan. And this individual had, he'd flown a lot of missions, and he was a commander. And I asked him, we were having a casual conversation, and he starts to walk away and I said, hey, you were in flying missions in Afghanistan.

“And I said, did you have you ever heard about the Kandahar giant?”

And his wife was standing next to me, and he's sort of walking away. He turns around. The blood rushes out of his face, and he literally goes like this to me. Points to his phone. And his wife whispers, he can't talk about that.

So later on, I was able to, we agreed to meet it later on in a very controlled environment. And he related a story to me that's the most wild story I've ever heard of in my life. And I'm sorry, I can't relate it. I love this guy, I want to protect him. But it's not the giant of Kandahar.

It's the giants of Kandahar. There's more than one, the military hasn't known about it. And aside from here, my talk to other soldiers who've also had knowledge of that specific incident that I cited earlier, but then also in general, the giants in Afghanistan. And I have a friend of mine who I met some years ago, actually I was with Lou Elizondo,

it lives bar in Wyoming. And there was a friend of Lou's, who's now a friend of mine there, and we were talking about the Kandahar giant. I was just telling the story, told you, and he just couldn't believe it. He thought, this is, this is nuts.

This is crazy. And I said, okay, do something for me.

might know something about this, bring it up, see what happens. So he called me one day and he said, Tim, you're not going to believe it. He said, I was talking to, I have to be very careful here, too. He said, I was talking to a certain individual who works for a senator. He's a staffer, I believe he's one of the chief of staff for the senator.

We're at the very least an advisor. And he's got a military background, special forces. And he said, I was sitting there, we're really good friends.

He said, we're having a casual conversation, as we always do.

And just in the midst of this conversation, I said, hey, what do you know about the Kandahar giant? And he said, his face completely contorted. And he was no longer just, there were no longer just being happy and laughing. He became very stern and he said, what have you gotten yourself into?

What are you looking into?

“He said, you need to be really careful and you wouldn't tell them anything else.”

That's the kind of reaction that I get and others get whenever we try and get information on this story. It's a very fun story. I don't know why it's so fun, but it's very fun. But the question is, what would be the reason why they would want to keep something

like this a secret?

I don't totally understand it.

I don't either. I mean, if there really were a race of giants that survived, let's assume that what we're talking about is what's referenced in the Bible. Let's assume, or at least the book of Enoch, or the Nephilim, if we're talking about giants. The thing about giants is, Native Americans have stories about red-headed giants.

They talk about the same thing about them having six fingers and six toes. They have the same myth. How is it that people from the Middle East and people from North America have this same ancient story? What is it in reference to?

Why does that? It's ubiquitous. I mean, legends of giants are universal all over the world. Why hide that? That's what I understand.

The stories about the Smithsonian are always fascinating.

Because the stories are, there have been archaeological digs, and they have discovered enormous femurs that they thought were like woolly mammoths or something, and then they realize like, well, this is a giant human, and they find hair and the hair is red, and they take these bones and they talk them away somewhere, I mean, this is always the myth. They talk them away in the basement of the Smithsonian or somewhere else, and for whatever

reason, the general public is not allowed to know about this, and I don't totally understand

“what is it about giants that they would try to keep from us?”

If they find a new species of dinosaur that's extinct, they'll let you know, fascinating, amazing. It's a homo-fluoriosciences, or however you say it, the little hobbit people. Yeah. Let you know.

Look, we found little hobbit people, pretty cool, giants for whatever reason. You know, it is a conundrum, and if it's real, you think it's a giant's in general? Yeah. Oh, yeah. 100%.

Well, it makes you think it's real. Okay, so let me tell you why I think that this thing's being covered up, and then I'll tell you why I think it's real, and we'll go to Sardinia for that. So I, like you, have been wondering for a long time, like, what is the big deal? And initially, people in my field, especially people who are coming from a biblical perspective.

The common answer is, well, the existence of giants would affirm the biblical narrative, right? And so, the secular atheist types don't want the biblical narrative affirm. That can't be, that can't be right, because the existence of giants doesn't just affirm the biblical narrative, but it affirms the myths and legends of every ancient culture

across the globe, including the Bible. So it's not something that's specific, exclusive to the text of Scripture. So it would just affirm all these legends in general.

“So the only thing that makes sense to me at this point, and the other line of thinking”

by the way would be that it would somehow conflict with the theory of evolution by natural selection, which I don't really buy into that either, because they would just say that this branch of humanoids, they descended from Gigantopithecus or something like that. I don't think it would be that difficult of a problem for the theory of evolution by natural selection, either.

I'm not myself an evolutionist, but I don't see them having that difficult of a problem here. So the only thing left on the table for me is that there's something very sinister going on in regard to the remains of giants, and if you study the mythology of giants all over

a cult of giants, that there were cultures that venerated giants, and that there was a very

“particular belief about giants, and this goes back to the book of Enoch.”

The idea is that this race of beings who are not entirely human, they're hybrids, that when they die, you can still make contact with their spirits, with their souls. They can be summoned. They, in fact, these are the demons that these are in the New Testament of the Bible. These are the demons that possess people.

This is the origin of demons, by the way, in Hebrew cosmology. So there's this pervasive idea, again, especially in the ancient Near East. But dead giants can be communicated with, and can possess living human beings, their spirits.

And so you have a cult of giants of the ancient Near East, especially among the Canaanites.

And the Canaanites, they had, actually, there's various customs and rights related to giants. But one of the specific ones that we know about is called Kismum, the right of Kismum.

“There's a fantastic book written by my friends, Derek and Sharon Gilbert, called Veneration,”

where they detail the right of Kismum, and this idea of making contact with the spirits of dead giants, and the veneration of giants. And the right of Kismum was, it was practice broadly speaking in the ancient Near East, but specifically among the Amorites, and other Canaanite plans as well. And what they would do is they would hold the feast, and then they would invite the dead

to come and join them at the feast. So this was a necromantic right, and they would evoke the dead, and they believed that the dead would come and eat with them. Now the Kings, and specifically the Amorite Kings, they would invoke the spirits of the mighty ones, the great ones, the giants of old, the Refying, the biblical account names

at various different clans of giants that inhabited the Levant during after the conquest by Joshua and the Hebrews. And you had the Anakin who descended from the Nephilim. You had the Refying, the Zam-Zumim, the Amim, these are various clans of giants that are specifically named in the Bible.

Of course we get Goliath of Gath, Gath is a Philistine city, after Joshua entered the Promised Land, they drove out and eradicated a lot of these giant clans, but some of them remained. Some of the individuals remained, and they were primarily went to the Philistine cities of Gossic Athen, Ashdad. And so you have Goliath of Gath, who David encounters later in the biblical text.

So it's these heroes of all, these descendants of the Nephilim, that the Amorites and the Ancient Near Easterners are attempting to make contact with because they have knowledge, and they, these are possessing spirits. And so the right of Kispoom, the kings, would summon the Refying by name. And you can find this in the Euguritic texts.

Eugurite was an Amorite city state located on the shore of the Mediterranean, in what there's today northern Syria, and they have uncovered documents where the Amorite kings are summoning specifically by name, summoning dead giants, the Refying. And the idea is to summon them, and then to become empowered by their spirits. They're possessing spirits.

Again, this goes back to the tradition of Enoch, that the giants, when they die, their spirits are in sort of a state of suspended animation, and they can be revived. They can be resurrected as it were, and can be made to inhabit the bodies of human beings. So there's this ancient cult that existed in the Ancient Near East and another parts of the world. And it's associated with the cult of Baal.

So you have Baal, the giants were thought of as the warriors of Baal. So today we know that the cult of Baal persists, I mean, the Epstein files. We know that the cult of Baal is still being practiced. When you say the Epstein files, what do you mean? There's references to Baal, and there's this recurrent theme of Baal worship.

And Baal, Jesus refers to Baal as Satan, and the New Testament.

So it's basically Satanism, it's a satanic cult.

How's it referenced in the Epstein files?

“There's some references to Baal, I can't remember the exact references, but there's”

apparently a cult of Baal. And the elites are obsessed with some of the elites, I don't know who or how many of them.

these ancient Near Eastern cults, specifically the Kainanidish cults.

“And so the reason why I'm going through all of this is because I think it's still alive”

and well today in society, and I believe that they're using the bones, the remains of giants. Using these practices, I think it's extremely dark. I think this is part of the reason why, part of the reason why there may be a cover-up around it. Nothing else makes sense to me.

Nothing else makes sense to me. In terms of the cover-up? In terms of the cover-up, we were talking about it.

It makes sense to me that you have incredibly powerful wealthy people that don't want

to be exposed as being perverts and whatever the fuck they were up to, and there's all the weird shit with beef jerky and Pete's, you know, there's these very strange references that seem to not be talking about beef jerky, and it's some kind of code. And there's also the fact that he brought an enormous amount of sulfuric acid, like right after he was indicted to the island, like I forget how many gallons of the barrels of sulfuric

acid, which is what you would use to dissolve bodies. So it seems like there's a lot of reasons for a cover-up. If this guy was running some sort of blackmail operation and had information on powerful

“people, that would make sense that that's why they would cover it up.”

Well, that's the cover-up of the pedophilia. Or even if it's not a pedophilia, even just adultery or drug use or whatever.

The ball thing apparently comes up on a bank file, and it may have been misinterpreted.

It does say be a l dot name, but people who were digging into this say that it might have just been a misinterpretation. That's the only mention of it. Misinterpretation? Yeah, I mean, another page here shows that here's like the document, it might have just,

I don't even say it there, but I can see it. Yeah, I'm not sure exactly where it says it, you know? Exactly where bail is reference specific. Yeah, right. There for one place for sure.

Bank document, I don't know if that has anything to do with the occult specifically.

But just imagine if it's the name of Satan, and this is the name of your bank account.

Yeah. Yeah, that's quite odd. Yeah. Well, that's at least creepy. Yeah, for sure.

At least creepy. Do you have this scenario in which, let's just say for the sake of argument that it's true. Okay. The legends are true, the giants are real, that you can make contact with their spirits through their bone, through maybe through their remains, or at least people believe this.

And so there's some sort of a method that they use. Yeah, well, okay. So this will get us into Sardinia. So whenever anyone asks me, what's the best evidence you've ever seen? Anything for the existence of giants.

Now, you've already cited some historical context around this. The legend of giants is everywhere, it's an every continent. And you have giants, aside from the biblical account, obviously all over the Mesopotamia, the cult of giants. In the United States, during the era of the Smithsonian Gate, the Smithsonian Institutions

apparent cover-up of giants, especially the ones that were being discovered in the mountains here in the United States. But it's pervasive in Peru, there's legends of giants. And the natives, the indigenous peoples, absolutely believe there was a primordial race of giants, the same thing in Central America.

They believe there was a primordial race of giants that was destroyed in the cataclysm specifically a flood.

“That's what the income believed, that Bita Cocha, the guy Bita Cocha, created first the race”

of giants, but they were, they were stupid and evil, and so he destroyed them in a flood. The same story down in Mexico and among the Aztec, and the Native Americans, the six finger-read here, giants, and so forth. So there's a lot of historical context, and of course it's anecdotal, but how much anecdotal evidence, just at one point does anecdotal evidence just become evidence, when it's so

pervasive all over the world. So, as I was traveling around the world studying giants, researching this topic and investigating different stories and legends, I went to Malta, which is very interesting, obviously, lots of legends of giants in Malta, associated with the megaliths, and then I kind of hit ground zero for giants, which is the island of Sardinia.

And the island of Sardinia is located west of Rome, it's part of Italy, it's in the Western Mediterranean below Corsica, and many people don't realize this about Sardinia, but

of megaliths, anywhere that I've been, as far as I'm aware of.

There are these massive megalithic towers called Nuragi that were constructed allegedly by the or conventionally by the Nuragi, the Nuragi civilization, Bronze Age civilization. And there are today, still at least 7,000 of these things standing, you can go to Sardinia and see 7,000 Nuragi towers, there are at one time 10 to 30,000 of these megalithic towers. And some of these towers stood over 100 feet tall.

Chamey, can we see some pictures of the Nuragi? Yeah, how would he look? Nuragi. Sardinia, Nuragi. Nuragi, Nuragi.

That's three different pictures.

They're there.

“So I don't, I guess this is it, is that, yeah, that's what it is.”

So what is the timeline of this Nuragi, how do you say it, Nuragi? The Nuragi civilization is the Bronze Age. Yeah, the Bronze Age. So what is that? 3300 to 3300 BC to about 1200 BC.

And that's what this stuff is for. And they say they say that these were built in the Bronze Age, that's the conventional idea. And again, there's 7,000 of them on the island today. But they're up to, I've seen estimates up to 30,000, including in the museum in Sardinia. And aside from these towers, they also have, these are, by the way, these are megalithic.

So these are, these are megalithic towers that are constructed in the Cyclopian style. And Cyclopian masonry, Cyclopian architecture, is the trademark of megalith worldwide.

“And then Cyclopian, this is the archeological term for the technique, Cyclopian referencing”

the great cyclopies of Greek mythology who are believed to be the inventors of tower building. And the builders, the offspring of the gods, who are the great builders in masonry. That's the mythology. But the trademark of Cyclopian architecture is that these are large stones that are fitted together without the use of any binding agent, like mortar, without any kind of mortar.

And you have, you have exquisite examples of Cyclopian masonry in different parts of the earth,

like in Peru, the walls of Soxaiwaminar are absolutely amazing, breathtakingly, beautiful,

in regard to their design and the polygonal, tightly fitting blocks, immense blocks of stone. Whereas in Sardinia, these are crude blocks, the crudely worked blocks of basalt and granite in limestone that are fitted together without the use of mortar. So they are built in the Cyclopian style, again, some of them were 100 feet tall. And they had some of them were for defensive purposes.

And some of them had a wooden platform that crowned the top, and that platform was buttressed by other very large stones that were finally cut, sometimes basalt. I've seen some of these stones in Sardinia. And I've been to the island a few times, researching the towers and giants. And aside from the towers, these megalithic towers, you also have megalithic tombs, which

are called to this day, the tombs of the giants. And you can go and visit them, there were, there's 800 of them, extent today. And archaeologists believe there are many more in the past. And one knows exactly how many. But oftentimes, it seems to me that the towers and the tombs are closely associated.

“If you feel a function, I think that is interlated.”

And the megalithic tombs of the giants, the legends in Sardinia, they were associated with the bodies of giants. But of course, today you have armed share archaeologists, they'll say, that's just a myth. There's, you couldn't even fit bodies inside of these tombs. Yes, you could.

I mean, none of these guys have ever bothered to go to Sardinia with a tape measure. I did. And yes, you can. You can fit the bodies of 9, 8, 9, 10 foot tall guys in these tombs without a problem. And there's two different styles of megalithic tombs in Sardinia.

You have the steely style, which it's, there's a large steely stone, a monolithic stone in the front with a little doorway in it. And a doorway is almost like a little doggy door at the bottom. But it's big enough, I mean, a young person who crawled through it. And then you have the trilothon doorway, this style of megalithic tombs, which is a larger

You still have to, like, a guy, my size, which he'll have to bend down to get inside.

But the tombs are configured the same, they're shaped the same, these two different styles. And what a lot of people misunderstand about the tombs is the tombs were not built to house the bodies of giants. They were built on top of the interred giant. So the giant was inhumed beneath the tomb, it was buried beneath the tomb, and then the

edifice was built on top. So that opening. Where are you getting this information? Oh, this is known in Sardinia. I've spent a lot of time researching the tombs of the giants in Sardinia and talking

to various experts and who are these experts, like local historians, like some of them.

Yeah, there's, you can go to the, you can also go to the museums in Sardinia and read

a lot of this stuff.

“Now I have a friend named Paula Loy, who's, she's a, she's a, I think she's the best”

Torgot in Sardinia and she's extremely knowledgeable about all this stuff. She'd take you to the museum and you walk through all of this information with her. And they have little models in the museum of the, the tombs of the giants. And there's a legend in Sardinia that, it's, it's called the, it's called the right of incubation.

And this is a necromatic right that was practiced by the Sardinians. And it describes the purpose of the tombs. So the tombs, when you walk into the tombs, again, they're megalithic, the walls are megalithic. Some pretty large stones incorporated in these tombs. When you walk into the tombs, there's a gallery inside.

And the, the gallery's rather large. You could fit a body of a giant there, but that's beside the point because that's not the purpose of the tomb. The purpose of the tomb of the gallery inside the tomb is to, is for the, it's to accommodate a young person during a, a right of passage.

“And during, during the Bronze Age, you're talking about boys from 12 to 14 years old, right?”

Generally speaking, and they would go into the tomb alone. And they would be sealed in the tomb. So that little doggy door, that's in the, still a, the steely version of the, tombs of the giants, they would crawl in there and then they would be sealed inside. And there's a little, um, on most of those steely tombs, there's a little hole at the top

as well. So there's, so it's not like they're, there's sealed in there and they can't breathe or anything. No, they, they, they would go in there and they would spend some days in the tomb alone. Does it look, sorry?

That's one of the doors with the steely, uh, monolithic stone. And they're all shaped the same. It's hard to tell because they've been disassembled and many of them have been disassembled. But you can see they're the trilathon, that's a trilathon tomb.

“And that's a, that's something else, that's a well.”

Um, but the tombs are all, you can see down there, see right, the picture right below. That one. There you go. See how the tombs are shaped. Yeah.

Now that's all, all these tombs are shaped that way. This has to do with the right of incubation. So the young person would go inside the gallery, they'd be sealed inside the young boy. And they would, the purpose of this was to incubate inside of the gallery in order to be empowered and energized by the spirit of the mighty one buried beneath the tomb.

And again, according to legend, the mighty ones were giants. So I don't think it's coincidental that the tombs are actually shaped like a womb. If you look at that, the view of the tomb from above, originally when I was researching this in Sardini, I thought it was shaped like a bull's head, which would be something like a kind of graphic of moleck or something like that, keen and itish.

But I realized that actually this is shaped like a womb, the tomb looks like a womb. If you pull up a womb, you'll see what I mean, it looks like a womb, a shape like a womb. And this was to accommodate the right of incubation. And so the young people, the ideas they're in there, they are communing incubating in the presence of the dead hero, buried beneath.

And they're absorbing their spirit, their prowess. And then the tomb is unsealed, and the young person emerges from the womb as it were. It's like a new birth, they're not, they went in a boy, they're not coming out a man empowered by the spirit of their ancestral heroes. So these are, these are called to this day, the tombs of the giants.

You can say, well, that's just mythology, that's just sardinian legend.

The problem is, you can interview people, at least you could, in times past, interview

sardinians all across the island, who have themselves dug up the bones of giants, or

new raga towers.

“I interviewed dozens of people in sardinian, most of them elderly, who had themselves”

encountered the bones of giants in different contexts, while plowing in fields, they pull up bones, or they would find the bones in the tombs, or whatever. And it's very easy to dismiss the whole thing as, while they're just digging up megafauna, right, the bones of mastodons and giant sloth.

The problem is, some of these bones had jewelry.

Some of them had Roman coins associated with them. Some of them had rings on the fingers, and necklaces around the neck, the collar. And they would actually, most of these were old timers, because this doesn't, it's not really happening anymore in sardinian. This is something that was happening in the 60s, 50s, 40s, 30s, and back.

But especially between, like, post-World War II, when the island was undergoing a process

“of industrialization, and they were building new roads and digging for foundations and”

stuff. They were digging up the bones of giants.

And there's a particular church called Santanastasia in sardinian.

And it's in the region of sardinia. And I interviewed two gentlemen in sardinia, two guys, who were officially employed by the municipality, and by the University of Cajetti, Cajetti is the capital city of sardinia. They were specifically employed to excavate the ruins. The newrodgic ruins on the premises of the church of Santanastasia.

Santanastasia is a small little Catholic church. But if you go there, you'll see that even today, you can see the remains of a newrodgic settlement there. There are newrodgy towers there, it's just, it's an archeological site. And these two individuals, one of them, his name was Giuseppe, the other's name was Roberto.

“And Giuseppe worked there from, he worked there from, I believe it was 1979 to 1981.”

And then Roberto worked there from 1982 to 1984. Both of these guys employed officially, an official capacity from the municipality of sardinia, to do this excavation. And so they would be there, the protocol was you go and you excavate the ruins. And all the artifacts you find get put into the church.

So all the artifacts went into the church of Santanastasia and you can see there's church by the way, if you pull it up, it's called Santanastasia in sardinia. And all the bones were put into the church, all the artifacts were put into the church. And among the artifacts that were being collected were the skeletons of Giants. And not mastodonts, not giant sluggers, these guys, well, of course not.

But these guys were very reluctant to talk to us.

The one guy, Roberto was very nervous, he said, we were told, never to talk about this.

This never happened. Again, this was back in the '80s. He didn't think anything of it. He wasn't told, go to Santanastasia and look for the bones of Giants. He was just told, go excavate the site, he was one of the excavators at Santanastasia.

The whole thing was being supervised by the municipality and the university. And he dug up, personally, he said, he dug up the bodies two bodies, ten foot tall guys, full skeletons. And he laid them out in the, these ones he laid out in the courtyard of the church. And he said, he notified the people in Cajedi of the discovery. And what would happen is all the artifacts that would go into the church or in this case,

outside of the church, somebody would come at night and take them all the way. So they get there in the morning, all the artifacts are gone. He didn't know where they went. The other individual Giuseppe, he also excavated Giants from Santanastasia. Various, various artifacts related to the Giants, gigantic plates, gigantic cups and goblets,

chalices, they excavated a lot of different artifacts, rings and earrings and necklaces and all kinds of all manner of artifacts. And he told me that he remembers a particular case in which he and his wife, his wife was helping on this particular day, they're excavating in the ruins. And they found a skull that was so large that the skulls were three to four times larger than ours. He found this skull that was very large and it had part of the vertebraic attach. Some of these remains were not just skeletal.

There was like, almost like mummified and he and his wife together carried it into the church. He told me that while they were digging, they unsealed a compartment inside of one of the towers. There was this large room that was sealed.

And there was a giant, this very large person sitting at a table.

And there were, there's a really large plate and a oversized chalice there. And he even had, he was eating oysters and mussels and clams that were still on the plate.

“And he was very large. I mean, these guys are, when I say larger, nine to 12 feet tall, that's how tall these guys are.”

And it was remarkable. He was extremely well preserved. And because apparently he had been almost like her medically sealed in this thing. And so they took all the artifacts and the bones and put them into the church and the next day they were all gone. I mean, this was the procedure. These guys uncovered a lot of interesting stuff at those. At that, that one particular, that one particular excavation at the Church of Santa Nostasia in Sardira in Sardira.

And they were filming the church up with so many artifacts that Giuseppe told me that he went over to the mayor.

And he told the mayor, is there anywhere else that we can put these bones, these artifacts, because we're running out of space in the church. And he was surprised at the mayor's response. The mayor looked at him and said, "Mind your own effing business. Put the artifacts in the church and shut your mouth." So these are the kind of stores I would hear all the time in Sardinia.

I mean, I could go on and on and on. I talked to one guy that was a cyber-gileo. It was his name. He was a hundred years old. Very interesting guy. And Sai had been on a site when he was a young man. He told me a couple of stories.

But he told me that he was working in a vineyard one time.

And they were excavating and they weren't excavating. They were telling the soil to plant a vineyard. And as they're telling the soil, they start to dig up bones. And they realize he's a very large skeletal remains. And they found like 20 of them and they were laying on top of each other in a crisscross pattern. And so as soon as they started to find these bones, the owner of the vineyard said, "Stop. Stop.

I have to notify the authorities." So he notified the authorities and he came back to the workers and said,

“"You guys have to get out of here. The authorities are coming. You have to leave now."”

And Sai said that everyone left, but he hit in the bushes until everyone had left. And he went back to work in the field because he said, "I needed the money and I wanted to actually get paid for the day's wage." So I went back and I worked and I kept telling the field. And he said, "All of a sudden, well, the owner of the field came back and he said, "What are you doing here? I told you to leave." And he said, "I need to the money so I'm going to keep working."

And the guy said, "No, no, I'll pay you double. Just get out of here." And while they're talking, the government guys pull up. And they pull up in some various vans. And they come out and they start taking pictures of all the bones. And they take pictures of the bones of these skeletal remains that are laying in these cross configurations. And then they load them all into the vans. And then they went up into the

nearby Nuregay. There was a Nuregay there, one of these megalithic towers. And they were inside the Nuregay looking at something, taking pictures. And Sai said that they sealed up, like with cement, they sealed up this tunnel, this something inside of it. And then they left. And I heard dozens of these kind of stories in Sardinia, dozens. These people have no reason to lie to me. I mean, these are most of these are old timers.

They wouldn't pay them. They live on the country. I don't know if you've ever been to Sardinia. It's it's it's like going back in time and Italy. He's a very simple people live on the country. But as I said earlier, the bones, these giants are being found with artifacts. I'll try to interrupt. But I'm looking at a story up where they're they're talking about finding skeletons. They're they're calling them skeletons. They're calling them giants. But they're referring

to statues. And they're those are the giants of antiprodom. Those are those are statues. Those are giants of antiprodom. There's I mean, there's New Zardinals because back to the 70s. Yeah, those are just statues. Those are in a museum there. But they call them skeletons. There's a one thing I was saying. So there's like a little bit.

“No, they're they're they're stone. They're in the museum. I know. They're about seven feet tall. I think.”

Some people wonder if those are actually covered skeletons. I saw another article here. It's like they found two giant skulls. But they're talking about the statues. Yeah, those some people wonder if those statues actually represented the you know the the anatomical

But yeah, that's about all you're going to hear if you go through it. It just seems insane that there's

“not a photo something of all these things or that some wealthy crazy person didn't get a”

hold of someone and say listen, I'll give you $10 million get me a hand. You know, I want to put it

in a glass case in my house. We know that they've done that with Egyptians stuff. Like a lot of Egyptian artifacts been pilfered. Yeah artifacts from a lot of artifacts from Peru. Yes, there's Central South America. Yeah, there's a very robust black market. Which is so wild like who are these people that have these things? That's a good question. Well, I was told and certainly they told me that in some cases the bones were confiscated. They were gathered up and thrown into vehicles and carted away

sight told me another story where he was digging a foundation for house he and he and an associate and they came upon a very large sarcophagus and they pried it open and he said there was a body of a

very large person inside and had a black it was wearing some sort of black fabric and there were coins

that were minted from Antoninus Pius from that time and they reported there was a local priest and they told the priest that they found a body. We found a dead body. What do we do? So the priest came over and he looked down on the pit and he said give me the coins, I gave him the coins. He said break the bones up and distribute them in the foundation of the house. I mean this was, you know,

“if you went to Sardinia today, I think you would think to yourself, okay yeah, I can see how”

there's no one's taking pictures or anything over here. This is like going way back in time and it'll in Italy especially, especially back in the 40s, 50s and 60s when most of these things happen. Now the excavations at Santana Stasi happened in the late 70s or early 80s but all these other stories are coming from the 60s, 50s, 40s. So I mean there was just so many people who I talked to. You know random people would tell me as I interviewed them that oh yeah yeah I was digging in my

basement one time and you know years ago and I dug up a hand. It was a hand if I'd fingers and you know it was three times the size of my hand now. That's fingers. Yeah that's random that could just be, you know, Megafana something. I don't know how many of what a giant sloth hand looks like or

“whatever. And let me say this, there is no question, but none, no question that a lot of the”

accounts that you hear about giants, not the ones associated with coins in jewelry, but a lot of the accounts that you hear about giants and the skeletons of giants, they do have prosaic explanations, a lot of them do end up being Megafana bones, especially giant sloths and stuff like that. There's a case in Peru, actually it was an Ecuador. This is referenced in the Chronicles of Peru, that there's a place called Santa Elena and it's a peninsula in Ecuador and there's

various chronicles who talk about this. And these are the chronicles who chronicle the history of the conquest of Peru, you know, the pizadro and the conquistadors who defeated the Inca and they say that, you know, there was a race of giants that the natives told the conquistadors and the chronicles, that according to legend, giants came over the sea on large readboats. And these giants were, they were very, very large and they had, they had red hair and

some of them were naked and some of them were dressed in very primitive clothing. And they landed on the shores of Santa Elena, one of the places they landed and they began to terrorize the local population. The indigenous people hated them because they were eating all of the food. I mean, they, they, they, they, they native said that they consumed 50 times. The, the amount of food is a regular sized person. And, and so the natives hated them.

They said that the giants built these deep wells, they dug these really deep wells, which you could still see the conquistadors that said we could still see them today. They built these houses with very large blocks and huge beams of wood, which were still there when the conquistadors were writing about this in the, in the 16th and 17th and 18th centuries. And, and according to legend, these giants,

they were satellites and they didn't have any women with them. And they were basically struck down by God. And the natives have that and other legends regarding giants being destroyed by God in various ways.

But it turns out that Santa Elena is, it's one of the, the most important sites for megafauna

bones in Santa Elena. And I have no doubt that the, the, the, the natives and the people living during that time in the aftermath of the conquest of of the ink empire thought that those were the bones of giants. Right. Because there was no giant sloths alive at that time. Exactly. And, and, and, and in some of the accounts, you can see where they're saying in the giants and, and, you know, we, we uncovered a giant that was had a deformed body. And I thought, oh,

that's probably a, it's probably a giant sloth or something, right? So yeah, there's a lot of that

“unquestionably. And you have to be very careful as a researcher. And in the beginning, I, when I,”

when I, I, this was years ago when I first started out researching this stuff, I made the mistake of

of just taking that story literally and believing, oh, yeah, they were digging up bones of giants Santa Elena until I realized that that is like one of the best places in the world to find megafauna bones. So obviously, you have to concede to the facts of reality. They're digging up megafauna there. However, however, there are other stories that come from the chronicles in Peru, where there's no way they're talking about megafauna. And these stories come from the same

chronicles, from which we derive, from the same text, from which we derive the history of the conquest of Peru, the same guys, the guys like Bernabay Kobo, and Antonio de la Colancia,

and Pedro César de Leon, all of the, you know, the famous chronicles. And there's one case in

particular, I find very intriguing. There's lots of them, by the way, when I was in, I was, I lived in Peru for 10 years at some point and, and then later on, I went back to Peru and doing various investigations when I was looking into this, making documentaries about giants. And when I was in Peru, I was in Puno some years ago, I'd probably back in 2015, 2016, I was in Puno, and I met with an archaeologist in Puno, his name was Edmundo de la Vega, very well-known archaeologist.

And I asked him, "Hey, are there any accounts of giants in the historical records here?"

“And he said, "Yeah, I think there's a couple of accounts of giants."”

And I said, "Okay," he said, "I don't think there's many, but I think there's a couple." Okay. Well, the next morning he comes walking into my hotel in the lobby and he's got a big smile on his face, and he hands me a disc. And he said, "I went after we talked, I went into the archives, they have access to the digital archives, and I did a word search to try and see if I could find some of these accounts of giants." He said, "I cannot believe how many references to giants there

are in the chronicles." And he handed me the disc. And I opened the files, and indeed there were many. Now, some of them were in reference to Santa Elena, but some of them were much more remarkable. For example, give you one example here. There was a Jesuit priest named Pablo José de Aga, who was going around Peru, and he wrote a book called "The Exterpatient of Eidoletry in Peru."

“I think it was 1602, and he's going around Peru with the, what are called,”

which were called the B. C. Eidolides, who were the, these were officials. They were clergymen that were dispatched to Peru, who were extrapating Eidoletry. These were the, they were very

fair of these people. These B. C. Eidolides, these official idolatry hunters, basically,

because they were brutal. And what they would do is they would go with the priests into the villages, they would find out what are the natives worshipping, and then they would destroy it, and then force convert the population. And they, they chronicle everything. They, they, everything they found, because they had to. This was an official assignment, right? So they chronicle everything that they find. This village, they go into this village, they're worshipping this. We, we, we broke it into pieces,

or we burned it in the fire, and these are official records. And among these records, and this comes from, as I said, Pablo Jose Arriaga, but also later on, Antonio de la Calancia, who is a Augustinian monk. It enlarges the story. He expands on the story, using other documents, including, including, um, um, Arriaga's version. And the story goes that Arriaga and the B. C. Eidolides, they went into the village, and they were led, they inquired, what are what are

you worshipping? Where are your gods? And the indigenous people of Peru, they, they worship Wakas. And the Wakas could be anything. It could be an idol. It could be a mountain. It could be a hill. It was just Wakas, even to the state, they called Wakas. And so they inquired where you're Wakas, and they led them to the other side of the village, where there was a large cave. And they go into

And among them were two giants dressed in kumbi, and they were enshrined. Now that's very

interesting. Kumbi. Kumbi is a very fine fabric that is, um, it was used exclusively by the Incanobility. In fact, it was illegal for anyone else to wear kumbi. Only the Incanobility could wear kumbi. It's very fine fabric. So it's very ceremonial, and it belongs by law to the noble class. So these indigenous people, they can't wear kumbi, but yet they dressed these two and it said that the bodies were well preserved, almost like mummified. They dressed these two

giants in kumbi. And they were enshrined in this tomb. And so when they realized that they were worshiping these giants, these dead giants, and the natives told them that these were their

“ancestors. These were their progenitors. That's what they told the, the B.C. Thedodays of idolatry.”

They took the bodies out of the tomb and they burned them in the village. Now that's very interesting to me because you have two, um, bodies, not just skeletal remains, bodies of giants, decayed with time, but still quite well preserved, dressed in kumbi. This doesn't sound like a giant sloth to me. This doesn't sound like a mastodon. This is something else. And it corresponds to all the legends among the natives there in Peru, regarding the existence of

giants who were their progenitors. So those are just, those are some historical details, some historical counts that I find very intriguing. Well, there's so many of them, that's what's weird. And there's also this very bizarre desire that people have of destroying things from the past. We find that

with, I mean, the Taliban did that, you know. There's a bunch of different, incredible archaeological

sites that were destroyed by past civilizations. We just talked the other day about the Kailasa Temple in India about how they tried to destroy that for a couple of years. They sent a thousand people,

“they could barely put a dent in it. Who was trying to destroy that? Who was it, Jamie? Do we remember?”

Some, some, some who, they, they came upon this temple that they, they didn't like that someone else had built it, and someone else owned it, and someone else had constructed it. You know, the Kailasa Temple that was built entirely out of stone? Yeah, the one that was built like literally carved into the ground. In the side of the mountain? Yeah. Emperor, say that name, you could say it. You're really good with words. Well, what's, what's his name? Looks like move all to me. I've

never heard of the second one. What's the second one? R ranks. I don't know. R ranks. I don't know.

R ranks. A historical figure widely reported to have ordered destruction of the Kailasa Temple in 1682. However, his mission failed because the monolithic temple was carved top down from a single solid volcanic rock. His army could only just figure some sculptures before giving up. Oh, this was in 1682. Yeah. But it's just wild that people have always had this inclination destroy old fascinating things. Yeah, that's right. Especially, you find this, what's really

sad is in Central America, among the Aztec, the Maya. There were many codexes of the Aztec, the Maya that were intentionally destroyed by, by, by the Catholic Church, by various agents of the Catholic Church, when potentially destroyed these codexes, could you imagine the information that was stored in those things? Well, how about the Library of Alexandria? Yeah. I mean, who knows what was in there? Yeah. And they burnt that several times. Yeah. And there's the historical accounts

in North America are interesting because there's actual newspaper stories from God. Was it like,

“I believe, is the 1800s? Well, do you know what I'm talking about? Yeah. They're all kinds of newspaper”

stories about giants in the 1800s. New newspaper stories about giant skeletons that have been discovered and excavated. Yes, from the mid 1800s to the early 1900s. And somehow or another, they all relate to the Smithsonian. Most of them are associated with the mountains and the mountain builders. There were thousands of mounds, east of the Mississippi. I mean, people don't realize how many of these mounds there were. And these are, you know, the monumental mounds and earthworks. Some of them still

stand today. Not all of them are burial mounds. You have different kinds of mounds. Some of them are effigy. Some of them are platform mounds. But many of them are burial mounds. And many of them contain, contain very prosaic things like the bones of native people. But some of them were said to

giants according to the newspaper reports. Now, I'm not looking at them. There's a lot of them from

the 1800s. Yes, especially in the latter part of the 1800s. How tall was it, Jimmy? I mean, just it's a giant over ten feet high according to Lewis and Richard Collins history of Kentucky. Now, the, the contention is, of course, that, that these are wildly exaggerated and that the newspapers were engaging in hyperbole. And that's true to some extent. I have no problem with that. I think they're hoaxes. I've brought this. Some of them were hoaxes.

A lot of hoaxes. Sure. Some of them are hoaxes. And then, you know, these were the periodicals in the United States at the time. We're very competitive. What is that photo? Is that bullshit? That far

“left photo? Yeah, that's why. Now, that far left one. That one was actually, that's a disputed one.”

Some people believe that that one is in fact was proven to hoax. Other people think there might

be a conspiracy that in fact it wasn't a hoax because it was actually had to display for a while. I don't, I don't know. I don't think there's any way to know. But, um, so many articles during that time were discussing these astounding discoveries of the bones of giants and mounds. In fact, um, I don't know if you're aware, but even it appears that even Abraham Lincoln references this and some lecture notes. He was waxing poetically and some lecture notes about

Niagara Falls. And he says, in those notes, you can still read them today. You can pull them up and read them now. There, he says the, the eyes of that extinct species of giants whose bones fill the mounds of America have gazed upon Niagara, as ours do now. Those are from Lincoln's lecture notes. Really? If it's 1845, the date of those notes. Oh, I got to read that. And now, now, here's the contention. Okay. This is interesting because here's the contention.

Okay. The contention is that he was talking about mastodons and, um, mammoths, megafauna. Right.

“Um, that's what people say because he does mention mastodon and, and the mammoth later on in,”

in the, in the, in the lecture in the speech. However, what they won't tell you is before he mentions that he's talking, he's in a biblical context. And he's talking about he references, uh, Jesus and Moses and Adam right before he references the giants whose bones are found in the mounds of America. See? So the eyes of that species of extinct giants whose bones fill the mounds of America have gazed upon Niagara, as ours do now, contemporary with the whole race of men.

older than the first men, Niagara is strong and fresh to today as 10,000 years ago. The mammoth and mastodon now so long dead that fragments of their monstrous bones alone testify that they

ever lived have gazed upon, gazed on Niagara in that long, long time, never still for a single

moment, never dried, never froze, never slept, never rested. That seems like he's talking about mastodon. Well, it, it, it very, well, what Jamie very, well, could be talking about the thousands of miles of water that they all would have seen. Well, he could be talking about mastodons and mammoth. What look what he references before he gets to the giants? Christ, and Moses, where's an Adam? He says there's still more. It calls up an indefinite past when Columbus

first sought this continent when Christ suffered on the cross and Moses led Israel through the Red Sea, nay, even when Adam was made. And it's just he's talking and, you know, he's, right? So here he's in this game from the hand of his maker. Yeah, he's in this now, Niagara was roaring here. The eyes of that species of extinct giants whose bones fill the mounds of America,

“that's what's weird. Yeah, now let's hold and fill the mounds of America. So here's the question,”

did were the mounds of America filled with the bones of mastodons and, and giant sloths and no, no, they weren't. Now, there have been some fragments of bones from mammoth and mastodons found to the mounds. That's true. They were, they looked to be ritual pieces that people were buried with that were used for ceremony purposes or something like that. Maybe some of them were carved or nightly, but like, people weren't digging up the skeletons of giant sloths and mastodons and mammoths

and the mounds routinely. That was, it was very rare. But it seems like if you found dead giants in the mounds that it would be more specific, you would talk about it more than just that. I don't know. I don't know either. The references is ambiguous. So we're left to wonder, is he talking about dead giants in the biblical context, which he's clearly in a biblical context, forgets, or is he talking about mastodons? And the issue is that there are giants in the Bible. And also that

in the United States announcing the discovery of the bones of giants in the mounds. Right. So it's,

it's, it's up for debate. I don't know the answer. Just gotta be somebody who works at the Smithsonian that is sick of this. Yeah. Where's that for someone? We need that guy. There's got to be some whistleblower that just take your fucking camera phone and get down there and film something, man. It just, it seems like if there really are some remnants of some of these things. And then the thing that's interesting is, you know, what is the museum that John Reeves has

“issue with? The National American History Museum, I think. I don't, I don't, I don't know, it's”

in Manhattan, I don't know. So my friend John Reeves, you aware of him, he owns the, the bone yard

in Alaska. No. Okay. So this is area of a lot, John's a minor and he, museum and natural history.

So he's a minor and he bought this land in Alaska and they're doing gold mining and they're blasting into the Primer Frost with hoses and they have found an enormous amount of mammoths, cave bears, animals that weren't even supposed to be living in Alaska at the time. So now they have to like re-formulate their idea of what the population of this, these lands were at this time. But also a layer of like dark carbon that indicates there's, there was some sort of an event.

All of this is sub 10,000 years ago. So he's finding, I mean, he has warehouses.

“And this is like fully, go to the bone yard answer, Ram, please. He has warehouses of this stuff”

that he's pulled out of the ground. He won't let anyone take it because the Museum of Natural History has some of this stuff from the previous owners. They have tons of it and they would not release it to him, even though it's his property. So this is, I mean, he's finding enormous mastodont skeletons, mammoth tusks. I mean, they find tons of them, tons. I mean, he has warehouses. He built a scientific research facility there. And he's like, people can come here and study it,

but I'm not letting it post belong with there, shout out to post. Mastodont teeth and bones. He actually gave me this. This is a mammoth tooth that they take some of these things and they carve artwork into it. Which is very cool. The artwork is kind of fucked. It's kind of weird that they do that because it's, but this is a mat, this is like a petrified

mastodont tooth. A molar rather. Wow. That is really cool. Yeah. Amazing. Yeah. So this is all from his property.

Well, I mean, why is there such a distribution of megafauna bones that? His belief is that there were some sort of a mass extinction event that happened whatever year was. The coincides with the younger drives impact theory. And he and when they're 11,000 BC. Yeah. And when he's had some of these things tested and dated, they do, they're, they're post, they're around this time. And he thinks that there was some sort of a mass extinction event. And the flooding led them all to be

washed away into this one very particular area because it's a deep concentration of these bones, too many that seem to have died around the same time. And all preserved. So it seems like because they're preserved in the permafrost that this is something that happened with the enormous event. The bodies are washed down into this one area. And because of the landscape, because the contours of land, they, they're collected into this one area. Yeah. And it's not a big place.

“I think it's four to six acres that he's pulling most of these things out of. And there's several”

other places that he's now finding things in as well. You know, I find really fascinating are the specimens that they find of mammoth and mastodon that are frozen solid with chewing food. Yeah, with broken legs sometimes. Right. Yeah. There's some sort of an impact, some massive shockwave that kills them all instantly. Yeah. And instantly freezes them. Yeah. And I think one of the hypotheses that I've heard is that, you know, you had

referencing the younger driest impact event. You had a potentially a comment or comments that were ripping through the atmosphere. It's such high rates of speed that they were pulling in the vacuum of space that that sub-zero temperature air and like blasting it down on the earth. Yes. And that that air was was so cold that would instantly freeze whatever was in its path. You know, as these comments are breaking through the atmosphere. I don't know if that's true,

Right. And then in other parts of the earth, you have apparent biomass burning. So you have,

“you have mastodons over here freezing, right? Solid. You have other megafaun over here that”

were clearly swept up in a flood. You have other megafaun and other kinds of extinct plants and stuff that have evidence of burning biomass burning. So it's like some sort of, um, absolutely unimaginable cataclysm. Yes. That, that struck planet earth at some time, circa 11,000 BC. And it seems like there's a lot of physical evidence in terms of eridium and soil samples. Yeah. It's very common in space, very rare on earth, layers of eridium.

And then the dark carbon, layers of burnt material, it seems there was an incredible fire.

So they were probably hit by asteroids. They also find that nuclear glass, the same stuff that they found during the Trinity explosion, they find little particles of that everywhere that seems to indicate a huge impact that happened. And you know, this is what Randall Carlson also believes

“the same timeline was what caused the melting of the ice layer over North America and created”

the Great Lakes. Yeah. And it caused the massive flooding and the, the land features that you see from space. If you look down from satellite imagery, it clearly looks like there was just immense amounts of water that washed over the land. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And Randall talks a lot about

the, the, the, the, the impact of those comments on the ice sheets. The Lauren tide ice sheet,

for example, two miles thick. Yeah. What happens when you slam a comet into a two mile thick ice sheet. Right. A comet the size of a city. Yeah. You, you superheated it. Then you have all the ejecta coming off of it. Uh-huh. And landing in forest and igniting the forest. And of course, if you have advanced civilizations at the time, which I believe they did, you have a mass extension event where everything gets annihilated. Nothing left. There's a few people survive

somewhere in the world. And it takes thousands of years for them to reinvent civilization. Especially the civilizations living in the coastal areas and the banks of rivers were a lot of

civilizations are. Right. They're gone. Right. I mean, they're gone. They're gone. And not only that,

the level of the ocean rises significantly. Yeah. And that's all documented, fact, historically accepted everyone, you know, geologists, archaeologists, everyone accepts that. Yeah. This is something that happened. And then the, that the ice sheets in North America were a mile, two miles high,

“three quarters of the entire continent covered with ice. Yeah. That's why recently, in terms of”

like the earth, when you're going back 11,000, 12,000 years ago, that's not a long time ago. And this whole thing covered a nice. And then you also have the almost instantaneous extension of 65% of all North American megafauna, which is kind of crazy. Yeah. Kind of crazy. Which what caused that? Yeah. Which some anthropologists still maintain today that that's because the humans, people killed them. Yes. They hunted them into extinction. That's cute. Exactly.

We've served. With adolescents. It's absolutely absurd. Spears and adolescents. Yeah. We don't even know if they had bows and arrows yet. Right. It's just, it's just, it's just, it's clearly something catastrophic. Yeah. Happened. Yeah. In the relatively recent past. Yes. And this is, as I said, it's the same with giants. You know, you have this ubiquitous testimony about giants. Well, concurrent with that, you have this ubiquitous testimony about cataclysm. Have you seen the work

that there's this Italian Galsen, the article, Jamie. There's this Italian guy that is proposing that the, I'll send a to you, Jamie. That there's a way of measuring the erosion on the outside of the pyramids that he believes indicates there at least 10,000 years older than we believe so far. I'll send this to you, Jamie. Here. But this is, you know, obviously disputed, if they're 10,000 years older. Super controversial. At least he's, he's talking about the erosion on the granite

and that there's by studying erosion and by studying the timeline of erosion. And this is something that Ben Vanquark work has talked about when you look at the older non-updated versions of some of the sites in Egypt where it's clear that there was original stone and then there was stone that was built on top of that. Okay. Here's here's the article. So the, the heading of the article, please. So it says could the great pyramid be far older than we thought a new study says yes.

And if you go to it down there, what he's saying is, so this is from January of 2020, six, go up a little bit right there. Big bigger. A paper released in January 2020, six Italian engineer Alberto

which he argues may challenge the long accepted chronology, placed in the construction of the

pyramid of Kufu around 2,560 BC. According to Donini's calculations, erosion patterns at the pyramid's base could suggest a construction date tens of thousands of years earlier, potentially as far back as the late paleolithic period. The claim if substantiated would have far reaching implications for the history of ancient Egypt and early civilization, yet it also raises immediate questions about methodology assumptions and how such results

could be interpreted within archaeological science. But I don't think archaeology is a science.

“I think what archaeology is is they're looking at stuff and they're guessing and they're using”

science and then they're also, they have timelines that they establish that they're very reluctant to let go of. And we've seen this with the dating of Gobekli Tepe. We've seen this with the erosion around the, the tempo of this fanks. They're very reluctant. While simultaneously disregarding the ubiquitous testimony of our ancient antecedents, who say that their ancestors were far greater than them.

Look at this right here. Other points yield far higher values, several measurements suggest erosion equivalent to 20,000 to more than 40,000 years of exposure. While the arithmetic mean of all 12 points produces a result of approximately 24,900 years before present, corresponding to roughly 2900 BC. I mean, holy shit if that's accurate.

“Yeah. And then you have also Philip O'Bionde's work where they're looking”

radio-to-mography below the pyramids and they have these structures that go 1.2 kilometers down into the earth. Yeah, did you see my, I did an interview on, I made an appearance on Pierce Morgan's show. And Pierce had on how he's a was. And I didn't know that I was going to be interacting with how he's a was. Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, was. The other way around. I didn't know that I was going to be interacting with him. I was just told that they want him to come on and talk

about pyramids and stuff. But then Pierce loves a good scramble. Yeah, he loves a scramble. So he set me up, like, here's your opportunity to say whatever you want, you know, it was me and Jimmy Corsetti and some other people. Here's your opportunity to ask Zahi, whatever you want. And I'm thinking of myself, I don't, I don't really have anything to ask this guy, but then it occurred to me. I actually have me and my team are in possession of some state-of-the-art

ground penetrating radar technology that we use to great effect in Peru. And so I'm thinking about this discovery, this alleged, these alleged megastructures under the pyramids. And I'm thinking, you know, it wouldn't be that difficult. You don't have to, you don't have to, you don't have to detect them all the way down. You just have to verify that there's something there, right? And so I posited this to Zahi and, you know, told him, look, I've got this equipment.

Would you facilitate us coming down there? And it operates off of a drone platform. So you don't, you don't have to drag it. It's, you can fly it around the pyramid. You don't have to touch the pyramid. You're just fly it around the vicinity of the pyramids. And see if you can detect something. I mean, there's, there's, you know, you would do no injury to any sort of, any artifacts there. And he seemed like he was very open to the idea, you know, on camera and said that,

basically, told peers, get your people in contact with him so that, you know, given my

information so I can reach out to him. Of course, that never happened. So it would not be that

“difficult to verify that. And that's why I'm wondering why you don't have to dig.”

Right. Why wouldn't you want as much exploration, the little spectacular sight, yeah, that human beings have ever erected on the face of the earth that has a very controversial timeline. That's right. You mean even the conventional timeline, super controversial, because like how the fuck did they do it? Even if you just accept that it's 2500 BC, okay? Great. How? I mean, I mean, I don't know why it being older is more controversial because it's still the same

because the same, it's human beings that lived a long time ago. That's all we're talking about. But why are they sticking to 2500 BC? It's because that they've always said that they know.

They've always said with great certainty and from a position of authority that this is what we know,

we know Kufu did this, we know this guy did this, but you don't really know. And there's also incredible amount of evidence that these guys wrote their name on everything. When they were in power, they liked to put their names on everything. A re-car of the head of this thing. Yeah. Well, that's definitely true. Yeah. It's definitely different. There's some controversially about that as well because there's

And the face, the controversies that the face is like a harder stone and it would neurode as quickly. Pum with that is like the stuff that's eroded for a long period in history was covered in sand. And we know that for if I said that there was no erosion going on during that period of time,

“yet it's massively more eroded than the face. Well, I think one of the fundamental problems that we have”

as modern Westerners looking at this stuff is we have an inversion of the timeline of history. When we look at the timeline of history, we generally view our antecedents as like cavemen. These are very ignorant people. They're basically, you know, chimpanzees with better brains. And as we progress through the timeline of history, we're becoming increasingly more intelligent, increasingly more capable of building and of building these monuments and technology and so forth.

So we see ourselves as the pinnacle of the human species, like we're the smartest, we're the greatest. That's not the way that the ancients viewed the ante-deluvian world. That's not the way that they view their antecedents. They see the, for them it was the inverse.

For them, they were always trying to recover the glory of the people that had come before them,

the majesty of the civilization that had come before them. So when they look back, down the timeline of history, they're the dummies. And the further you go back, the more extraordinary people are, because they were closer to it, right? And they all have a, they all have a myth of the flood. Yeah, and they have to kind of be a world in general, you know. And they, they lived in a timeline that was closer to that and more accepted,

because they probably had a knowledge, an understanding at least the earliest ones, that they didn't make this. And so they probably passed that down. Yeah. Well, they, I think they inherited traditions from their ancestors about these things. You know, I mean, you have this, this idea of a golden age among the ancients. The golden age, meaning there was a time on earth that the Greeks coined that particular phrase, the golden age.

The Egyptians, the ancients, called the Zeptephy, the first time. There was a time on earth

when the gods descended to the earth and cohabited with human species, and to some extent, co-mingled with the human species. And that it was during this time, that knowledge was transferred, and that great cities were built. This is, of course, this is where the myth of Atlantis falls into this category. And then their world was suddenly and catastrophically destroyed. And what we've been doing since that destruction in the mind of the agents, what they've been doing since that destruction was attempting

to rebuild, to rediscover the lost knowledge from that age, to recover it, and to try and

“emulate their superior ancestors. That's what you see everywhere, everywhere around the world.”

Doesn't matter if you're in Egypt or if you're in Peru. You see the same sort of thing. It's the same thing applies, by the way, for the megaliths in Peru. I don't know if you've been to Peru. No. Some of the most astounding megaliths that you'll see anywhere in the world. I referenced earlier the walls of Soxaiwaman, absolutely phenomenal, cycloping architecture. And of course, the construction of those walls is attributed to the Inca.

So if you ask archaeologists in Peru, who built Soxaiwaman, who built Machipchu, who built

on Gentaitambo, it's always going to be the same answer. The Inca, the Inca built it. Now,

the problem is, there's no record of the Inca building, those walls. And if you ask the ancient Ketra people, if you ask the actually the Ketra people, the Ketra people who continue in their ancient traditions, the ones who are there today. And they still wear their typical vestments and they still speak Ketra. If you talk to them and you ask them, who built the walls of Soxaiwaman? Specifically Soxaiwaman, they'll tell you a race of giants.

This goes back to those, you know, our progenitors, the giants. The giants built Soxaiwaman. If you go up to Titi Kaka Lake Titi Kaka, and you ask the Imaara people who built Tijuanaku, which is on the other side of it, the Lake Titi Kaka and Bolivia who built those

“megalithic edifices, the giants, our progenitors. That's what they'll tell you. So, and I don't necessarily”

think that giants built all this stuff. I don't necessarily think that at all. I just think that

that our antecedents were much more impressive than we've given them credit for. I mean,

our anti-deluvian antecedents. And that in many cases, like you said, there's no inscriptions on megalithic stuff. Anywhere, you go to Machu Picchu. And it's apparent that in Soxaiwaman, Machu Picchu or Gentai Tambu, in other places in Peru, it's apparent that the ink has certainly built on top. They took advantage of these megalithic foundations, right? Anyone would. I mean, if you're going to build an edific, you would use the superior foundations here of massive stones,

and you'd build on top. And you try to emulate that style of building, because it's anti-sized make for one thing. So, Machu Picchu, it's evident to me, and I think anybody who walks around

that complex, you can see, and we have to keep in mind that much of Machu Picchu today is a

reconstruction. It's an archeological reconstruction except for the foundations. We have pictures from Hiram Bingham, original pictures in black and white of what Machu Picchu looked like when he discovered

“it accidentally. And what's there? The megalithic foundations are there. That's what's there,”

the megalithic foundations. And you see, and the ink built on top of those foundations. And that's what a lot of the archeological reconstruction today reflects. So, if you walk around in Machu Picchu, I remember, I've been there several times filming and doing different things. And I remember one time I was with my colleague, Hanson P. Ramblin, we had a guide with us, and he was an older gentleman,

very, very knowledgeable. And he was one of their official guides in Machu Picchu. And we're walking

around, and he's telling us different things about the ink and how they did certain things. And certainly the ink had built a lot up there. There's no question about it. The ink had were impressive. I'm not taking anything away from the ink. But if you look at some of the edifices at Machu Picchu, you can see these magnificent megalithic foundations, big stones, polygonal, fit together so tightly you couldn't pass a butter knife between the joints. And then you have

on top, but sometimes people describe as ink a slap, on top, where it's like they kind of kind of trying to match the style of blow, but it's not as precise, it's not as fine. And you can see the clear delineation, clear delineation between the megalithic and then with the inker doing

“and then also the archeological reconstruction. And I remember asking this guide of ours.”

We pointed across the courtyard to some beautiful, this exquisite polygonal, foundational wall. With just sort of crude ink of stuff on top. And I said, why are there two different styles here? Why do you see this large megalithic blocks fit together so precisely? And then you have this other style. And you know, keeping in mind the archeological reconstruction, but there were there there was enough of the site there that they could model what they did based on what the inker had

done. And he said, because they liked the way it looked. That was the answer. They liked the way it looked. And I said, you can't really believe that. I mean, you're not an idiot, right? They didn't do that because they liked the way it looked. The reason why there's an inferior mode of building on top of those megalithic foundations is because they didn't know how to do that. They did the best they could. And they were very good, right? Attempting to adopt a cycloping style. They were good.

The inker. But the only reason you would do that, the only reason you would put inferior architecture on top of superior foundations is because you don't know how to do that. Yeah. Well, it's also the just the sheer size of these blocks. It just gives you so many questions because it's not like you could recreate that with whatever the inker had.

“That's what's confusing. In order to move those stones into position and then put them and construct”

them in a way that it appears like they've been melted into place. Yeah. You're like, how are you moving them? How are you placing them? You should go to a jantai tombo, okay? So you go to a jantai tombo, which is in between Kusco and Machipich. You have to go to a jantai tomb to get on the train to go up to Machipich, it's the only way to get there. And a jantai tombo has some of the most exquisite megalithic architecture on planet earth. It is so beautiful, the way that they were able

to, and it's, it's large megalithic blocks. And there's two different styles represented there. You have the polygonal, like at the Walls of Sex, I want them in Peru, and then you have the interlocking blocks like at T1 Akku, both of those styles are there. And there's this one spot at a jantai tombo that I love to take people to, because you're going up the stairs,

building a wall today, even if we were like the best, we were the best masons in the world,

and we're building a wall for, I don't know, for some billionaire in his house, we would, we would interlock the blocks in the corner, like everyone does, everywhere, right? Or if it's cement, you could take cement, because it's cement is pliable, and you could make whatever shape you want. But if it's blocks, you're going to interlock the blocks into that corner, or do something like that. You know, they did it on jantai tombo. They, they curved the stone into the wall.

They curved the stone. So they took the stone, so they took the stone, yeah, you could pull up stones, like that. And, and they, they cut the stone, so that it curved into the corner. Like, who would do that? That is so intricate. That is so difficult. And by what technology, but here's the interesting thing. You find that same, the same fingerprints of these builders, all over the world. You find the same thing in, in Egypt. They curved stones. Some of those stones

are curved into the corners, and other places where there's, megallithic instructions. I mean, these guys, there is a, there is like a ubiquitous knowledge of masonry in the world. The fingerprint is everywhere. Everywhere you go. And it's interesting because one of the things I was trying to, trying to, to convince this, this guide of ours at Machu Picchu, this one time of us. Look, here's a problem. You guys come over to Machu Picchu. So here it is. So yeah, that's,

that sucks Iwaman. Was that we talking about though? No, curves down. No, I'm talking about a stone, that's curved. See that there where it says ink is stone work. In the middle. Yeah, that sucks Iwaman. They'll take us a large stone. That one looks like it's curved to in the wall, but that's not a very large stone. So a sucks Iwaman will take a large stone and they'll curve it into the wall.

“It's, I don't see sucks Iwaman in any of those. You have to type, I'm, I'm sorry,”

not sucks Iwaman. Ojantai-Tambo. Ojantai-Tambo. Hi, Spel. O-L-L-A-N-T-O-L-A-N-T,

A-Y-T-A-N-B-O-L-L-L-A-N-T, A-Y-N-T-Y-T-A-N-B-O. Never gonna guess that. Whoa, that's,

that's, Ojantai-Tambo. I'm looking for that curved. What is the nobs? What are the nobs? I don't know. There's another fingerprint of this. All our little world. Everywhere. No one really knows. I mean, there's a lot of interesting theories out there, but I think at the end of the day, nobody has any idea. What the heck those nobs are. Those things are so spectacular. Look at the wall right there at Ojantai-Tambo.

You make that look. Look how it's twisted that is. That's nuts. I mean, it is just absolutely astonishing. And the weight of these things. Yeah, and the fact that they're carved and placed in a way that would absorb the energy of earthquakes. Yes,

“they're anti-size-mic. Yeah. They're anti-size-mic. That's why they do it that way.”

Which is, now I want you to read about this. No, don't you think about this, okay? So, you are, you are with Francisco Pizarro. You're a conquistador. In the 15, 1533 or 1532 or 1534, I can't remember exactly when he landed. And you're walking through Peru. And you, you, you, you see this. You see this kind of architecture as you're conquering Peru. And you overthrow the Inca. And then you go to build, which they did, they overthrow the Inca.

The capital city of Cusco. They go to build their cathedrals. They built lots of cathedrals and palaces for themselves, right? So, you have the Inca palaces and cathedrals. They took the blocks from Soxaiwaman. They took the upper layer blocks, and they used them to build their cathedral. There's a couple cathedrals downtown Cusco that were built with the blocks from Soxaiwaman. They didn't build it like that. They didn't build their cathedrals like that.

They took those blocks, and they just put them together with mortar like they do in Europe.

So, here's a question that I always ask people who think that, you know, the Inca were doing that.

If you were an architect at that time, why in the world wouldn't you have forced the Inca to teach you

“that style so that you could build your cathedrals? I mean, you would be the greatest architect in the world, right?”

Right. You could build, you could build the most magnificent cathedrals in the world in the Cyclopian style. If you understood how they did it, so if the Inca were the ones who built it, why didn't they force the Inca to teach them how to build it? Just look at that. That is so crazy. That's really sanded down, right? Well, those were in the process. That's ojantai combo. That's a temple of the sun at the summit.

I just let it look at the faces of it look so smooth. That's ojantai, that's ojantai temple. And this was in the process of being constructed at the top when it halted. You can see the

are in the process of being transported and they were being worked right there. They were being

prepped to be incorporated into the walls. And it just halted. And the conventional explanation

“is that it halted because the Spanish arrived. That's what halted the work. But, but I think what halted”

the work was cataclysm personally. I think that's what halted the work. Something like a younger drive's impact. What's that Jimmy? I see right here. It looks like the face of the wall. You know, like it looks like it's all uniform and fits together, right? But if that right here is part of the wall. Yeah, there's filler in the backing. And that's like, yeah, they have filler in the backing. Like some of them. Yeah, some of them, the blocks are it's just gigantic blocks. Others. It's

like the facade is exquisite. And like what we have here. Technically fit in brick, you know,

that brick in the background. You said just be brick at the other studio. Uh-huh. Kind of like that. Right. Right. I know what you're saying. Yeah. But except these are enormous. Yeah, sure, sure, sure. Or yeah. I mean, they're in place and sand the boundaries. So if there was a point of the guy standing, there was a picture of the guy standing in the corner. There was a guy standing in the corner that I was referencing earlier. You just had there it is right there. That guy. No, the one below it.

I don't think you can see the corner very well. Yeah, right there. The middle. You see the guy in the blue stand in there. Yeah. Yeah, right there. Behind him, there's this, you can see how the stone below him. It's curved into the corner. That's not a separate stone. That's it's literally curved into that corner. It's, it's just so my bending. The nubs are weird. They are weird. And it's weird that they occur all over the world. And it's like, it speaks almost to like, is that how they

carried them and place them? Is that a part of the construction? Is that something about how they made them that they left these nubs? Like, what is, what are the nubs? No one has any idea within them. That seems so weird that we have no answer to a feature that occurs over and over again and all this matter everywhere. All over the world. Yeah. They keep showing these through. Those, the kind of look like the nubs that they look way different. Yeah, they're a lot rough.

See those, see those smaller pieces of stone there in between the large blocks. That's an anti seismic property. That's a technology that they use so that the rocks can shift and move and not crumble. That's, it's ingenious. And like I said, you have two different styles here at Ojantecton, where you have the polygonal and then you have the interlocking rectangular. Those are two different styles in the same site. That's one of the things that makes Ojantecton

will fascinating. And that rectangular interlocking style comes from T1aku, which is another

amazing, megalithic site in Bolivia. What's interesting is when you combine all these sites

all over the world and you have all these questions that are very similar, like how, how they do this. Why, why is this stuff the oldest stuff? Why is this stuff the bottom stuff? Why is the base of it, the most spectacular construction? And why is it seem like more productive stuff is on top of that? Because they're like the way it looked. Yeah. But it's, but it's the same question over and over again. And the, the reluctance to propose that perhaps the oldest stuff

“is more complicated because the civilization was more complex. That's it. That's what they're”

unwilling to, they're unwilling to open up that door. But that doors the only door that makes any sense. Not only was the civilization complex, the knowledge was universal. That's a problem. That's a problem. That's the knowledge was universal. Because that means you're talking about a seafaring, traveling civilization. You're talking about something that's a lot more impressive than cavemen, right? Right. So especially if this guy, this Italian guy is right

in terms of because 20,000 BC we're supposed to be just broots. Oh yeah, okay. Again wearing, yeah, we're wearing animal skins. We have spears. Your chimpanzee with a big brain. Yeah, back then. Yeah. And, and as I said before, you know, you look at that kind of architecture and you and I were we to encounter the inkah, go back in time, in the late 1500s. The inkah are still around. The builders, the alleged builders of these monuments. I mean, they were building Ojante-Tambo,

“right? When you arrive, they quit building. Why did the Spanish architects not incorporate any of that?”

Right. Into their buildings. Why did they not learn the technique? That's superior technology. Yeah. That's anti seismic and the point is illustrated because in Cusco, they built their cathedrals, right? They knocked down the the the the palaces of the inkah and they they raised the cathedrals in in Cusco. And guess what happens? You get a big earthquake?

Earthquake comes, cathedrals fall. The walls of sucks. I want them stand. And it's happened

various times throughout history. Who, what architect would not have taken advantage of that knowledge had it been available to them during the time of the inkah? Yeah. I mean, like I said, you could build the most magnificent cathedrals on planet earth and you could make the inkah build it for you. And now you can say that the ink the inkah refused would have refused to to pass this knowledge on. Okay. Maybe. I mean, there was a there was a society within the

inkah. You know, they were taught by the Grande's Almountes. They called them. Who were the the great teachers of the inkah nobility and the keepers of the secrets and so forth.

They had the inkah didn't even have a written language. They used kipus. Kipus was a it's a

system of ropes and knots of string and knots. They didn't even have a written language. So, absolutely extraordinary. And there is nobody can it give me an adequate explanation as to why

“such amazing knowledge is just forgotten. Wow. I mean, would we forget how to build computers?”

No. So, so why would we just forget how to build megaliths? Why? That's not something you forget. These things don't fall down in earthquakes. That's something you pass on carefully from one generation to the next. Unless like our ancient antecedents tell us there was a cataclysm that rock the earth and eliminated the civilizations that were inhabiting the earth. That's to me, that's the best explanation. Well, it's certainly the most logical explanation.

If you weren't attached to a timeline, if you didn't have this timeline that these archaeologists insist upon, then you would say, okay, clearly we know that a cataclysm occurred. Clearly we know the younger drives impact theory is accepted and especially now. So, becoming more so over time. More likely, much more likely that there was something going on that we don't totally understand tens of thousands of years ago. Yeah, I mean, I think we would do very well to listen to take

serious the myths and legends. Well, it's also weird that like the Aztecs, like I used to think that the Aztecs created those temples and those pyramids. And then I found out fairly recently that

they never even claimed to have no, that they say they found them and that these were the birthplace

“of the gods. Yes, see, that's what I was going to say about Machu Picchu. So, Machu, you know what”

the name of Machu Picchu is and I'm Machu Picchu and catch what's e-jumpel. And e-jumpel means the boat of the gods or the dwelling of the gods. This is how they viewed the megaliths. I mean, this is how if we were primitive people coming upon these megalithic structures, what would we think? The gods must have done this. The gods lived here and so then we would rebuild. We would re-enhabit the habitation of the gods. Yeah, why would you live anywhere else if you live there? Right. And it would

be the noblest architecture you ever imagined. Exactly. So, why would you let some idiots take it over? You wouldn't give me that. That's mine. You wouldn't. Yeah, of course. You know, there's other the weirdness of Peru, like the Nazca lines, like what the hell is all that about? I don't know. I don't know. That's a great mystery. There's a lot of weirdness to Peru. There's a lot of weirdness in Peru. And how about those the ancient tapestries that show those

three finger, three-toed, big-headed people with big eyes and it's ubiquitous? And these are a thousand years old. Yeah, you then you have the Paracas culture. There's massive elongated skulls. Right. In the Paracas culture, by the way, you know, people see these elongated skulls on them. I was in, I've been in Paracas a lot. They've done a lot of research down there on the Paracas culture and other things. It made some interesting discoveries, by the way,

with our drone, with our GPR unit. But you see these images online, you think that the Paracas people, their skulls are so large and elongated, you think these must have been big people.

“Right. That's what it looks like. No. They were tiny. They were really little. They were bizarre.”

They're more, the more fallogy of their body was different than ours. You can't eat with big heads? Yes. The Paracas people were very small. And they had a proclivity to live in underground. They had subterranean dwellings and their eye sockets of some of these elongated skulls. The eye sockets are like 25% larger, the orbital socket. So they big eyes elongated skull, very diminutive people, in some cases living underground. But I've heard people

have theories about Neanderthals that Neanderthals with larger eye sockets, as well, might have been able to see it night. The way deer can and the way other animals that are

what the eye structure was. But if you have a significantly larger eye socket, you can see,

“significantly larger eye ball. We know that nocturnal vision exists in cats and exists in a bunch of”

different animals. But the idea of it existing in primates, we've kind of dismissed that. Yeah, I mean, a bigger eye gathers more light. Yeah. So it's an octurnal feature. How many that we have no idea what the soft tissue structure of their eyes was like? No. Now, granted, for all the skeptics out there, yes, many of the elongated skulls in Peru and other place around the world are the result of cranial deformation. So yes, they were deforming their

skulls with headboarding, cradle headboarding and binding and so forth. There's evidence of that, and you can see the evidence when you're there. If you know what you're looking for on the skulls, but I don't believe that that explains all of the elongated skulls, not just in other parts of the world, but especially in Peru. There are some examples of elongated skulls that I mean,

“look like a genetic alteration. The best way I can say it. So there's a -- and you can pull this”

up, Jamie, if you can find it. There's a mummy. I'm trying to think of the name of the museum

words housed. I think it's the San Marcos museum in Lima. There's a mummy. The first mummy

that was discovered by Julio Tejo, Julio Tejo, or one of the first. If not the first, Julio Tejo was the imminent archaeologist at the discovery of the proccas culture. And he's like their greatest archaeologist in Peru was a phenomenal archaeologist and he discovered all kinds of things about the proccas culture. And he dug up this mummy and it is -- it is the most bizarre mummy I've ever seen in my life. It has a massive elongated skull, massive. And we showed a

few of those other day when Cassie Copper Smith was on. We showed a few of these ones that don't have the sagittal suture. Yeah. They're weird. Like the just the actual structure of the skulls different. But this one has the skin on it. Except for part of the face is gone. But it's got the skin on it. You can actually see what this skull looks like with the skin on it. And then the

“morphology of the body is just weird. I mean, I think it's in the -- if I recall the museum of San”

Marcos and Lima. So these are -- how tall were these things? Oh, they were small. I mean, we're talking four foot tall. Wow. These guys were little. Giant heads and four feet tall. Yeah, they're little. Everyone thinks they were big. No, no. They were little. Some of them. I mean, I think they were four and a half, maybe average, four to four and a half feet tall, somewhere in there. They were very small. Maybe from four to five feet tall. I don't remember. But they're significantly -- they're

very small. They're diminutive people. I've never seen one with skin on it. That one's not.

There. The one that Ryan Forster's looking at right there. Yeah. That right there is just absolutely bizarre. When you look at -- take a look at the -- look at that tall, that forehead is on the -- that's skin on there. Very well preserved. And if you look around the back, you can't see it here on this image. But if you look around the back, side of the neck is very bizarre. Sort of -- it's curved. That is so weird. I mean, imagine cutting upon somebody here. In Austin,

that has a skull like that. I might be a few of them here. Right. And that -- I mean, that does not look like cranial deformation. That looks like a totally different kind of hands. It looks like a genetic anomaly. What is that one in the middle? Yeah, what is that one? Cheese. Yeah, there's -- well, kinds of very interesting specimens like that. And as you said, Bruce, a very, very strange place. The one on the far left is the craziest one to make.

It's a jungle skull. That one was discovered at the -- the jungle's necropolis. Like what the hell is that? I mean, just the volume of the brain is so much larger than a human being. That lecture might be elongated. You know, someone might have altered that picture. It is very impressive. That one might be elongated. The picture, I mean, that's more like it. But the skull, the -- these skulls, many of these skulls, that's in the Museum of Ica,

and the city of Ica in Peru. That's absolutely insane. These skulls that the jungle skull was taken from the jungle's necropolis. If you go over to the jungle's necropolis today, which is on the desert, you see these things sticking out of the ground. And they got red here, all burn here. And we were over there with our -- with our crew, and there's a pyramid there. But it's an Adobe pyramid. And it's called the -- the jungle's pyramid. And nobody really

We were actually working in an area further down the road, because at the time we were looking

“for a treasure. We were filming a -- like a TV show, looking for a treasure. And there was this --”

there's this pond that has very interesting UFO story attached to it. Further up the road. And so we were working up there. But every day when we drive by the -- the pyramid, the jungle's pyramid. And it's an Adobe pyramid. So it's not super impressive. It's made of large Adobe blocks. But it was a large urban center. It was -- some people think it was the capital of the Procus culture. Very large urban center. And it was an ecropolis. There's tons of remains.

And the -- the elongated skull, some of these Procus people, the nobility for sure. They were buried in burial bundles. And they're in the fetal position. And these burial bundles are -- they're usually layers of fabric. And there's various items in there. And they're just under the surface of the sand. They're right there. And you get a lot of great robbers, walk-aeros, who go in there,

“and, you know, steal all kinds of artifacts and stuff. But we're driving by. I looked at the”

pyramid. And I thought, I have this intuition. There's a tunnel under that pyramid. There's a tunnel system under that pyramid. I don't know why. I just had this intuition. So we decided to go over there one day and fly our GPR drone around the pyramid. And we did a -- we didn't extensive run around that pyramid. We did like a cross configuration with the drone to make sure that we get good reading. And we found two massive artificial tunnels under the pyramid that

intersect 100 feet below that pyramid. Matt, you could drive a semi-truck through them. And we don't know how far they go. But they go. And we actually spent some time trying to find a way into them. We couldn't -- we ran out of time. But it's remarkable because Julio Tejo remarks in his writing about the Procus culture that the Procus people seem to have a affinity for living under the ground. They had subterranean dwellings. And I've explored some of these subterranean dwellings out in the

Procus reserve. And it was -- they're really cool because they -- you'll see like these hills. They look like -- they look like long houses that are buried in the ground. So you see like this, this elongated hill. And really what it is is it's whale bones. They use like the vertebrae of whale. So you get whale bones. And then they would pack on top all kinds of -- they would pack on earth. But then they would also add in organic material. And it would create like an insulating effect

and heat the interior. But they were subterranean. So what you see are the roofs of the dwellings. And then they went down into the ground. And there were tunnels. And there was all kind of stuff. This was where these weird people, if the elongated skulls were living. That's absolutely bizarre. How old did these mommies?

“I think the Procus culture of Jesus goes back maybe to -- I don't remember 200 BC or something”

like that. I can't remember. Maybe not that far back. I really don't remember. There -- that can't

be accurate. I think it goes back to definitely to the first century AD. I don't remember

off some questions. What happened? Where those people go? That's the question. I mean, the -- the -- I think that the prevailing theories that they became the Naska people, that didn't go anywhere. That essentially the Naska people were the Procus people. Like they enter bread? No, that the culture just sort of migrated and became the Naska people. So what happened to those genetic features? Well, there are some among the Naska,

but not as much as among the Procus. Others think that the Procus, they just disappeared. Like they were either exterminated or -- there's multiple theories. But there's no question that they were bizarre, bizarre. And of course, there's -- there's physical evidence of this. Like we're talking about the mommies before, excuse me, the giants before, and we know, well, it's just stories. This is actual physical evidence. You mean the elongated skulls? Yeah. Oh, yeah. They're everywhere down

there. Now, granted, as I said before, many of them are the result -- Many of them are the result of cranial deformation. But what about these motherfuckers? I don't know. They're not all elongated. I mean, yeah, how do you elongate that? You get a balloon, and someone's had -- I've seen some really big heart shaped heads. That is super interesting.

That is super interesting. That's an amazing fact, I've just -- That's a small compared to

someone's I've seen. Like, some of the ones I've seen, like, look like a heart, really big, and actually that particular skull was exceptionally large. The one I saw that look like a heart. Yeah, so just keep in mind. Yes, cranial deformation is what you mean?

And now I don't know what the hell that means. Billobate? Yeah, that's what the picture says. What does that mean? I don't know what that means? No. Yes, and when these goes from the front, are from the billobate. That's the whole size. Yeah, for billobate. I don't know. Look at that one on the left in the middle. Those are nuts. That is just imagine meeting that cat. And here's the other question.

“It just has a size of a size. Here's the other question. The why buying the head?”

And this is all over the world. They do it in Africa. They do it in Native Americans. The flat head. Try it up in Montana. They're called the flat head because they would cradle board their young and they'd get these flat. They would have these very distinct skulls. Why? Why are they emulators doing their emulating something? Yeah, who or what are they emulating? That's the question. And of course, you have an

ancient Egypt. You have figures with elongated skulls like Nefertiti and her daughters. Who are depicted with very pronounced elongated skulls? No, is that just the result of

cradle head boarding? Probably. I don't know. But why do that? But the problem is some of the

skulls have actual larger volume than humans. That's true. Some of them do. That's where it gets really weird. That's true. So if 20%, 30%, even 40% more volume, which is like, okay, 40% more brain is nuts. Like, what does that mean? There's a slight explanation for what we're just looking at. And that was the, what is the, I'm going to do with male and female. So it's as biolobate that thing that we were talking about. Tubular erect was the most common among

both sexes, biolobate skulls are observed that a much higher rate in female skulls. This association with sexes, evidence in some paracos ceramics, were men and women are depicted with distinctly tubular erect or biolobate heads respectively. And then they even goes into this. So the biolobate is then the heart shape. Fuck under weird bending. It is weird. It is extremely weird. And then

“of course, you have those, you know, the alleged alien mummies down there. Yeah, what do you think about those?”

Because there's a lot of people now that are saying that those are elaborate hoaxes. I went down to Peru. I was invited to go down there by Dr. Roger Jr. or Professor Roger Jr. again. To go down and look at the specimens that they have the e-commuseum. They have four specimens of the e-commuseum. The most impressive specimen that they have, there's called Maria. And Maria's in the fetal position. She's a large, one of the larger mummies. Then they have a few other ones.

They have two of the, of the, the small ones, the ones that Jaime Masan famously unvi, you know, revealed over there in Mexico during that thing that he did over there, that press thing. And, and then you have one that's called Wauita, which seems to be like some kind of a combination of different things. And so I went down there to the university and walked up to these things. And, and at first, I have to say, my first impression of Maria. I didn't really care about the

little ones. I never believe that the little ones were early. Yeah, I never believe that they

are living organic beings. They're very rigid. Yeah, they're very rigid. I don't think that, you know, they're more followed. You really could have worked in the real work. Like monster art, like that one. Moncer art, and Maria. And there's a bunch of them. Those are very compelling. When you're, when you're standing, excellent looking at them. They were compelling. So I looked at the mummies and then I interviewed Rogers and Yigan. And he's very, very convinced

that they're 100% real, sincerely. I mean, I like Professor Zunjigah. And he really is convinced. I don't think he's not trying to perpetrate some kind of a hoax. Neither is anybody at the university of Yigan. There's a good faith effort going on there to try and investigate this and and continually do testing. And there, it's, it's an open field. There have been genetic testing. Yeah, they've done all kind of testing. So what do they find? Here's the problem. There's been a

lot of testing done, but, but I don't think the interpretation of the data has been confident. And so initially, I was pretty impressed. I thought it was more likely than not even said this on the Michael Null show. It was more likely than not in my mind that the larger

“mummies like Maria were real, but I've since reversed that position. I think it's more likely”

than not that all of them are hoax. That's my personal opinion. And this is a hot topic, you know, like I'm ex and stuff. There's a lot of people who are absolutely sincerely convinced that these

things are real. The problem is that this entire thing started with a grave robber.

A very shady individual. And the very first mummies that were brought forward were hoaxes were fake. That's how it started. And, you know, this is a whole, it's a whole saga. We don't have to get into,

started to produce the real ones. And I just have a hard time believing that that this isn't elaborate hoax. Now, I've talked to some of the individuals who've done some of the scientific work on these. They don't want me to mention their names or anything. They're trying to just sort of stay neutral. They don't want the press. And they, they also doubt that they're, they're real. They think they're really, really elaborate hoaxes. And I know that a lot of money has exchanged hands

in regard to these things. Maria was on up for sale from million dollars, one point. And it,

I mean, if you're approving grave robber, a million dollars is like a billion dollars. I mean, so that's to me that's, uh, queuesy with the Maria one looks like. That's not, that cast a lot of shade on the whole thing for me. Now, I can't say scientifically, the DNA data, this, that the other, but there's a lot of debate going back and forth on this thing. Well, I think one of the problems is anatomists, uh, experts in anatomy have looked at the structure

of the feet and the hands and they, they, it doesn't seem to drive with what they understand about the structure of feet. That's true. That the bones are not in the proper position. They're

not the proper size. They don't, it doesn't look like it makes sense. But damn, that's amazing.

“That's Maria. Like, here's the thing. If it is a hoax, like, what an amazing job they did.”

Yeah, maybe, maybe the greatest hoax ever perpetrated. Right. History of Archaeology. Like, who did it? And know, like, what, what talent this person has? There's a new note because this website was just, there's a triedactals.org. It got up. It is a little note that popped up. It says they have ongoing research that just got updated. This is a great website. Uh, what is the ongoing research? They're just, they're just, they're just, they're just, they're my, you know,

here, then, I really, it might be Maria. Yeah, Maria, they call it, Maria now to do it. Yeah, maybe it's not binary. A bunch more data down here. I don't know what all this stuff is. Interesting. A bunch more data. That's a great resource. There. So it's triedactals.org. I'm going to the images of it again, go down like right there. So this, uh, okay, this is a 3D scan. These are videos of the scans. Fucking weird, man. Look at the length also of the fingers and the toes.

But you think that's a hoax? Yeah, people say that wouldn't work. You know, I, would you say Jamie? People said that, like, they've, you can't grab stuff. There's pictures down here. They have a people trying to, now, where was it? Trying to, like, grab stuff with, uh, I might have been looking at a different, yeah, I was looking at this. These are the fingers. That you couldn't bend. They wouldn't bend or something like that. It's hard to, like, this person trying to grab stuff

with long fingers without bendable, you know, appendages, I guess. Well, we're assuming that they had to grab things. Well, what would you have fingers for? Well, maybe they put them on a spaceship.

“That's how they pilot it. Maybe they've gone past the idea of picking things up. Maybe they lift”

things with their mind. Maybe that's how they move the blocks into place. I don't know. I'm more convinced in that, that they're, that they're hoaxed. I don't, I can't say definitively. Yeah, I would lean in that direction because I want them to be real. And the problem, but also

however, did hoax them, like, monster out. Whoever hoax that, like, what an amazing job you guys did.

And also there's some of them that have weird implants in their heads. They have metal implants. Yeah. And then one, a couple of them have them in the hand. Others have them in the forehead. Very weird. Some of them have fetuses apparently. Although that's, there's some dispute about that. And they say the fetuses look like, you know, that they look the same as the adults, which would be remarkable of true. But that's disputed. Everything's disputed. Right. There's, I mean,

there's, there's, there's a, there's a factual battle here between the, the believers and the naysayers. Right. And they're both looking at the same data and interpreting it differently. So

“that's why I just sort of stand back and say, I don't know. I mean, I can tell you how it started.”

It started with gray robbers. Very, very CD people. And it started. The initial ones were not real. I know that because I know individuals who were involved in that whole thing. So just that alone. Yeah. Just that alone. But then how did they make the skin? How did they cover it? How did they make it look like that? They're really good. I mean, you know, if you're selling these things for hundreds of, if you're making $100,000, just $100,000 and one of these

mummies in your a poor gray robber, you would do anything. Take whatever time it would, whatever it took to produce one of these to sell it to make $100,000. But if you age them like, and they're really old,

Construct this somehow from really old skeletons, these to together. That's the allegation and also from all llamas and stuff like that. Yeah. One of the other weird things about these elongated heads is that they have that where connects to the spine is in a different position than a human

“skull. Yes, there is some indication of that. That's why I was pointing out on that, the one that”

with the skin on it, there is a very interesting morphology with it, with the Naskirfrock connects into the spinal cord. Now, I'm not an expert on anatomy. I don't know. All I can look at it and

say, that's freaking weird. I mean, really, it is weird. I always just remind people, just you can

argue about all the dad all day long. But if one of those people walked into this room right now, right, it wouldn't just be a little weird. Right. It would be, it would be utterly bizarre. Yeah. And an actual real human mummy or whatever it is, mummy, if that was alive today, it would freak you out. Yeah. Larger orbital sockets, very small, extremely elongated head. Yeah. And for you. I just mentioned wonder, like what was the world like back then? What were these people like?

Was there a separate branch of the human species? I don't know. I think I'm pretty sure now, I'm recalling the date, 2025, 100 BC somewhere around there, is where the pocket sculpture goes back to and then it, I think it existed until 700 ADM. I'm not sure that those numbers are accurate,

“but that's what I remember. Yeah. There's a lot of weird stuff in Peru. A lot of weird stuff”

and just ancient history in particular. What do you make of like things like Zep-Tep-B in the

Sumerian Kings List where you go back in time and you have these incredible ages of some of

these rulers that ruled for thousands of years? Well, what's interesting is that if you overlay the Sumerian Kings List with the list of patriarchs, pre-Fled patriarchs in Genesis 5, it's like a one-to-one match. So, I'm not convinced that I think that the Sumerian Kings List is the ages is mythological. I don't think that they were willing for thousands and thousands of years. Like I said, I see this very interesting overlay over the Genesis 6 genealogy.

And these are the patriarchs from Adam De Noah. And specifically, I mean these are the patriarchs

who live before the Flood, the Flood came in the time of Noah. And, you know, there's a lot

“of debate right now, especially on line. And I think you've had people here on your show as well.”

Let's talk about the Sumerian story being the oldest story and being the original story of the Flood and of the anti-doluvian world. But I actually, I have a different view of that. I think actually the oldest story is the story of Enoch, the Enochian story. I think that's the original story. And maybe some of this strangeness, maybe some of the bizarre things that we see and the stories of the Flood and of the giants and all of that may be something like the book of Enochian

is actually an accurate account of affairs, of things that happen in the anti-doluvian world. And certainly the writers of the biblical narrative believe that. I mean the right of Genesis and then in the New Testament, you have references to to what I call the Enochian tale. And so when you think about the anti-doluvian world, the cataclysm that destroyed it seemingly overnight, the great civilizations that existed back then, you see a series of parallels in all the stories,

all the ancient stories, whether it be the Sumerians, whether it be the ancient Egyptians, the Hebrews, the Greeks, the Romans, there are parallels in certain details. Great civilizations inhabited the earth or at least a great civilization. That doesn't necessarily mean that that they had the kind of technology that we have today. I think that's a mistake that some people make when they're thinking about the anti-doluvian world and a loss of civilization, they think,

well that means that there were skyscrapers and automobiles and aircraft and things like that. That's not necessarily what it means. And so I think it's very, very interesting that you have all of these parallels, a cataclysm, giants. You have a fractricidal war. That's discussed for

that you find everywhere is this idea that the gods descended to the earth, co-mingled with human

species, pro-generated a race of demigods in many accounts, giants who then govern the earth and depending on what version of the story you're reading, they were either good guys or bad guys leading up to the cataclysm that destroyed everything. The biblical account, the great flood and other accounts record various kinds of cataclysm, all over the world. So the question is,

“I think an intriguing question is, is it true? I mean are these basic constituents of these stories”

is it true? And I happen to believe that the book of Inak is the beginning of the book of Inak,

the oldest portion of the book of Inak called the Book of the Watchers,

is the earliest account of the anti-doluvian world. And I don't mean necessarily the book of Inak that we have today. I mean the tradition of Inak. Was there a manuscript that Inak wrote himself? Inak was the seventh from Adam. So he's one of those individuals on the Sumirian Kingslist. I believe he corresponds to and then in Demoranky, I can't remember how to pronounce the name in the Sumirian but again you have this overlay with the pre-fled patriarchy. You have all of these details at

course bond. Now we have evidence of cataclysm, refining evidence of cataclysm, right? We talked

“about the younger dry impact hypothesis. So are some of the other details true as well or their”

giants? Were there beings who descended to the earth in the anti-doluvian world? Did they copulate with human women? I mean that's essentially the story of Inak. Inak begins with

this is first Inak. Inak begins with a company of 200 watchers. These beings that are designated as watchers.

And they are, they're heavenly beings. And the the watcher designation is not exclusively extra biblical. You find it in the book of Daniel. And a very interesting scene in which holy watchers are judging Nebuchadnezzar, the Babylonian King. And they sent him to a period of time madness where he's given the mind of a beast and he's eating grass. And this is a judgment from the watchers. He's eating grass like an animal. And his hair grows long and he's basically like a beast out in

the field. The the the hotty king of Babylon humbled in that way. And so the watcher designation is you find it in Daniel. But then in the book of Inak it's much more specifically these were 200 of these watchers. These are non-human celestial entities. You could describe them as extra terrestrial entities. And they they begin to lust after the daughters of men. And they desire to to pro-generate families. They want to have families. Do you think that this is a simplification

of genetic engineering and that this depiction of it is just you know like the game of telephone you're telling the old story through oral tradition for a long period of time as it gets relayed over time post flood. So you get this sort of distorted version of what the actual event was.

“I think it's possible there was genetic engineering involved. But we certainly look different”

than everything else on the planet. Well the book of Inak the at least the Hebrew account both in the book of Genesis because there's a there's a verse Genesis 6 that says now came to pass that when men began to multiply in the face of the earth and daughters were born to them that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were beautiful. And they took wise of all whom they chose. There were giants or Nephilim in the earth in those days and also after

word when the sons of God came into the daughters of men and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men of old the men of renowned. That's the reference to the to the origin of giants and Nephilim in the book of Genesis. And so in the Bible you have these angelic beings the sons of God who are lusting. They're looking down at the daughters of men. They see that they're beautiful. The book of Inak is even more explicit. The book of Inak says that the angels of

have the watchers lusted after the daughters of men and they desired to pro-generate families. So they descended they descended to the earth on the summit of Mount Hermann and they bound themselves

about to do was going to be very grave sin. So they bind themselves with an oath. That's why

“Mount Hermann has been known since time immemorial as the mountain of oath. Then they descended into”

the plains and they began to choose wise from among the daughters of men with whom to copulate.

But first, these were maidens that they intended to marry. And there was a transaction that happened

because in exchange for the maidens' hands in marriage, their fathers were given technology. So the watchers taught men the knowledge that they were already striving to learn. So that's implied in the text. It's not explicit, but it's implied because the watchers give technology, they give knowledge which results in technology and they get an exchange the maidens that they desired to marry. And then they copulate with them. They have sexual

intercourse with them. The women conceive and give birth to giants. And then these giants begin to terrorize the earth. They're cannibalistic. They begin to devour men. So maybe a hybrid sort of like a

ligor. You know how a ligor is a combination of a tiger and a lion that's much large. But they can't

reproduce. So the result is you have these watchers, they're DNA. Make sure the DNA of human women produces giants. And this story, by the way, is attested in the dead sea scrolls. Not just in the Bible, not just in the book of Vietnam. The book of Vietnam, of course, a fragrance of it. We're discovering among the dead sea scrolls. What you find, you find this story in, for example, you find it in the book of giants. The book of Jubilee's, the Genesis Apocryphan and other texts as well.

And so this story, as bizarre as it is, is foundational to Hebrew cosmology. This is what the ancient Hebrew's believed literally happened. Like this was in their minds. This was a historical event. You go back in time. You go to the anti-deliving world, the world before the flood. What are they envision? They envision the watchers. These gods living among men, copulating with human women, giants who were who were cannibalistic. And then God decides intervene because the giants are,

there's, it's a very bad scene on planet Earth and people begin to cry out, petition heaven. God decides to intervene, coordinate not. And he dispatches some angels and they, one of the things that they do is they set the giants against each other and a fratricidal war. So they make the giants go to war with each other. Now, when I envision this scenario, playing with the idea here that this actually happened, in the anti-deliving world, I don't imagine big dumb giants popping

each other over the heads of clubs. I imagine a technological war. Because what I see unfolding here,

“and I think, again, this is implicit in the Inakien story, is that the watchers are essentially”

creating a dynasty. They are building an empire called the Empire of the Gods and the anti-deliving world. They are, each, portioning the earth among themselves and their hybrids are ruling each of these kingdoms. And then they go to war with each other. And again, I see this as a technological war

because I don't believe that in the biblical account, angels never have wings. Only in prophetic

iconography, but in the historical narrative of the Bible, angels are never depicted with wings. They are depicted as operating what, what I would describe as advanced aerospace vehicles, the chariots of God, the chariot of Yahweh, the chariot of fire, variously denominated. And I think that these are vehicles of conveyance. And so the watchers, when they descended to the earth,

“I think they descended to the earth and some kind of a vehicle, you know, like that, right? So”

they would have the knowledge and there would be some technology. And so when these when they're offspring, the giants went to war with each other in this fractal cytolewar, it would have been a technological war. Now, the reason why I say that is because you have the story of the watchers as chronicled in the book of Enoch. But then overlay the story of Atlantis. You have the same story. So, of course, the story of Atlantis comes to us from Plato's to Mass and Credious

Dialogue. And he has a soul in of Athens traveling to Egypt and interfacing with the priests of Sice and they tell him, you know, you don't have any history that's quarry with age and so forth. And then they begin to relate to him, the story of Atlantis. Because they told him that his ancestors were remarkable people. They were the Athenians. And only they could resist

begin? In Plato's Dialogue? Well, it begins with the gods,

“apportioning the earth amongst themselves. That's how it begins. They'll hear the gods,”

dividing, giving up the earth. They're going to create what I, again, describe as an empire of the gods, giving up the earth. And each one is going to take, and a portion of the earth for himself, Poseidon, Plato tells us, gets the area of Atlantis. And what does Poseidon do? Well, he becomes enamored of a human woman and in Plato. He takes you to wife. He copulates with her. She gives birth to ten hybrid sons who become the kings of Atlantis. And I think there's

reason to believe that they were giants in the myths. Atlas, for example, was chief among them.

So you have these ten hybrid sons ruling over Atlantis. Then what happens? Then you have,

and presumably the other gods did the same thing in other parts of the world, right? They went out and married human women and gave birth to hybrid offspring, which is, of course, what happens in Greek mythology of a lot of these gods. They pro-generate hybrid offspring. Then you have a war that breaks out. The Atlanteans become very warlike. They go on a campaign and they, they're steam rolling everybody in their way. Until they get to the Athenians.

And they're locked in this conflict. So I'm hoping people are picking up the parallels

“here with the book of Enoch, with this story of Enoch. And in the midst of this conflict, what happens?”

Cataclysm ensues Atlantis. But not just Atlantis. Atlantis, in the insinuation is everybody,

gets destroyed in a cataclysm that erupts suddenly. And Atlantis is consumed in the waves in and is no more. Well, the whole point of the Egyptians, when they're telling this story to soul, I'm one of the points that they're trying to convey to soul on is there have been many cataclysms, world ending cataclysms. And every time a cataclysm happens, we have to start over, like children, right? So the parallels between the book of Enoch and I think it, by the way,

I think Atlantis is an allegory of the anti-dolubian world in general. I think that there was something like an empire of the gods and the anti-dolubian world. And I personally believe that the biblical record is the faithful account of what happened in the anti-dolubian world and with the addition of the book of Enoch. Because you cannot separate, you cannot separate the Enochian narrative, the Enochic traditions from the Bible. Well, Enoch is reference in the Bible. And the only reason why

the book of Enoch is not in the canon of the Bible is because of some rabbis, right? Well, it's complicated. So the book of Enoch is a compilation of texts and ranging from the fourth century BC to probably

“the first century AD. The tradition of Enoch, I think, is very old. I think the tradition of Enoch,”

that story I just outlined, that tradition of Enoch is the oldest story we have. The one upon which all the other stories are based. That's my personal opinion. Now, the actual book of Enoch that we have today, the only reason we have it, is because it was preserved in Ethiopia. That's the only reason we have the book of Enoch today. The Ethiopian Bible. The Ethiopians preserved it both the, the, the, the, the beda Israel Jews,

very, very ancient Jewish community and the Talahito Orthodox Christians. Do you think they have the Ark of the covenant? I think let's put it this way. I think Graham Hancock makes a very compelling case that they do. I have you read his book, The Sign in the Seal. Yeah, it's the whole depiction of these people that are the watchers of this thing. It cataracts because it has some radiation properties. Yeah. Very compelling there. Yeah. None of them live more than a couple years after they

get the assignment. Yeah. It's, I think it's a, it's a very strong possibility that they do. That's crazy. It would be crazy. Yeah. And I, I think that many people including Graham think that the Ark of the Covenant was, there's something technological about it, something radioactive about it. But it is, it's interesting though because you have the idea at the very least the potential for technology in the anti-deliving world, the right

advanced technology. So what, what do I mean? Well, what if we're talking about the watchers who descended the earth, like I said, the Hebrews believe that that actually happened, that that was his historical. That wasn't mythological to them. That was historical, that event. Well, what if they did

of technology introduced? But I don't believe that it would have been distributed broadly distributed,

you know, talking about like like an advanced loss civilization. I don't think that technology would be broadly distributed. I think that the technology would remain in these family lines in these dynasties because their desire was to govern everyone. So I think what we might be looking for instead of a technologically advanced civilization, maybe a technologically advanced fraternity within civilization. You see what I mean? Like a group that was in control of something

advanced, but the rest of the people maybe were Iron Age or something like that or whatever Bronze Age level, which is kind of a different perspective. Well, we see that today, right? I mean, there's plenty of people today that are uncontacted tribes that are living like people live tens of thousands of years ago. That's exactly right. So yeah, it's not uniform even today.

“Right. So we may, so I think that's why when we think about, was there a technologically”

advanced civilization in the anti-dolving world in the world before the great cataclysm? I think really what we're looking for, what I'm looking for is a is a fraternity who were in possession of technology that the rest of everyone didn't have. Maybe something like that. Although I will say that I believe that the anti-dolubians were much more remarkable than we are in every way. I think they were physically more robust

than we are. I think that they were intellectually much more. They were intellectually superior to us as I was saying before, this is how the ancients thought of their antecedents. And so when I look back on the timeline of history, the further you go back all the way to those pre-fled patriarchy, you're looking at human beings who were so superior to us. I mean, certainly according to the biblical account, they were living much, much longer almost a thousand years. You're looking

at human beings who we would scarcely be regarded as human like them because they would have been more human than we are because we've degenerated. So I see a degeneration, I see a devolution in the human species. We started as something really really remarkable and we've been gradually devolving

“over time, so to speak. We've been degenerating. I think that our antecedents are anti-dolubian”

antecedents. I think they were telepathic. I think that they had these incredible

abilities, capabilities that are perhaps latent in the human species today. Well, that might have been why these people has such large heads and parrots. Maybe, right? Maybe everybody had elongated skulls at one time. I don't know. But I mean, think about that though. I mean, if you were seen from a biblical perspective, Adam was created for two fundamental reasons. He was created to govern the earth, but more than that he was created to fellowship with the Maker,

to commune with the Maker. He was created for fellowship. So think about that. If you were created to fellowship with the Maker with God, you would have some extraordinary capabilities built into your anatomy, into your biology. You would be given the ability to interface with the Maker, and not just with the Maker, but with whatever else is out there as well. So from the very beginning,

“I think that mankind was imbued, was intrinsic in our design that we had all of these incredible”

capabilities. Maybe remote viewing, maybe certainly I would say telepathy, because telepathy is conversation at the speed of thought. I mean, we fumble around with words. It takes us kind of a long time to try and say what we mean. But what if what you wanted to convey to me was done so instantaneously? How much more could you convey? How much more information? How much more efficient with that mode of conversation be? It certainly seems like if we keep evolving, that's the future.

Or if we keep developing better and better versions of technology, one of the things that the gaps that we would bridge is, and what Elon said that, he said, we're going to be able to talk

with our words. Well, the problem is that our technology is getting better, but our species

is getting dumb. And our biology is getting weaker. And we're poor, but it's not just because of poison. Yes, we poison our environment, we poison our bodies. Certainly. But I believe that there's it's clear to me that we have degenerating and we are degenerating. We are degenerating. So and this is genetic degeneration. So we have what's called mutational load, human beings, all creatures. We have mutational load. And mutational load is all of the deleterious mutations, all of the

this genetic burden. We have all of these mutations that we're carrying mutational load. And the further we go down the line, the more mutational load we have. And again, these are

deleterious mutations. So you get all kinds of problems from that. I mean, we basically

what it amounts to is we become less and less and less impressive over time. And there's nothing we can do. You can't reverse that. You can't just have a good diet and regain the capabilities that were lost. That's impossible. So we're declining. Our technology is ascending. We're declining. So what we're headed for essentially is a post-human future. A future in which we have to evolve ourselves out of this condition. I would say out of Adam into something else. And I'm not in favor

of that, by the way. I'm not a transhumanist. But clearly you have this conundrum where we are clearly getting dumber as a species. There's no doubt about it. I mean, I saw, I can't reference it here, but I saw some data on this the other day. And it's astounding. It's kind of alarming. And

“not only that, we've realized I'm trying to remember the reference of this book that's the details”

of this. But the human species is essentially becoming reproductively invaluable. The sperm count of males in the west is declining precipitously as is our fitness. So that is on the decline.

Such that, I think the projection is in 2045 or something like that. We're going to basically

be reproductively invaluable. We're going to need a technological intervention like artificial wounds. Well, what's happening right now? We're developing things like artificial wounds. So it's very interesting that these two things are running in parallel. We're degenerating, but our technology is increasingly getting better. So the result of this is going to be what I describe as post-human apocalypse. I mean, we're headed for a future that's not human.

“That's what you've all know, a herari, who's out there,”

prognosticating that in, I think he says in 120 to 130 years from now, there will be no more human beings left on planet Earth. So why am I saying this? Because I'm illustrating that you go back in time. You'll all the way back to the beginning. If you come from a biblical paradigm like I do,

you're in the first man at him, the prototypical man. He has all of the incredible capabilities

that are innate built into his system. He can, he gets communing with his maker. He's governing the Earth. He can do all of these amazing things. And then, as we become copies of copies of copies of copies of Adam all the way down, we're gradually losing these abilities. But I think that's some of them

“are still latent in the human species. And I think that explains from a remote viewing and”

telepathy and things like that. I don't know how I got on that. Listen, it makes the last sense. And it's a fascinating conversation. And I enjoyed this very much. I did this well. Thank you very much for being here. Thanks for having me. I tell everybody if they want to get a hold of your stuff, they want to find you where they could find you on social media, where they could find your website. Timothy Oberino on social media on Instagram on

X. I have a YouTube channel, Timothy Oberino. So I have a book called Birthright. And I also published commentary on commentary and introduction of the book of Enoch with my friends. Oh, it was like Tony. We're going to have to get to that. That's a whole other conversation. I'm going to have to have that conversation. I would love to. I'd love to. Thank you very much. [Music]