JRE MMA Show #179 with Josh Thompson & "Big" John McCarthy

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I kind of blew that. Yeah, it was. We could talk about that. Yeah, well, I got to talk to you. You guys did not do it anymore?

I stepped back away when I started the referee again. Cat Dammit, you got to go back to doing it. You guys are great. You guys are a great combination. I think I might.

What we did is we started doing McCarthy Mondays. Because when he went back to referee, and he's not allowed to talk about promotions, not allowed to talk about fighters on what's wrong. And in the things that possibly can make some changes.

And so we just started McCarthy Monday, where we just talked about the Joe Shilling situation. That's something we could talk about, right? So I created a show for him to just only do one Mondays.

He created it. Nice. Well, it's easy. It's easy. It's easy.

It's easy. I was just trying to find ways to keep him involved. I love that you're referee and again. We need great referees, but I wish you were out there doing both. It doesn't make sense to me that you can't do both.

Like it's not like you're not going to be a great referee. Well, also still being able to comment objectively about promotions. It's important. It is important. It's important.

Transparency, where is ever the problem with that? Exactly. You get these people that, oh, no, because you might say something that is going to create a problem. And it's like, it's not a problem if it's a truth.

That's ridiculous. I mean, if that was the case why how come I can do it as a commentator? How come all these guys can do it? Because you're the best. Yeah, but I mean, everybody should be able to have a voice, especially referees.

You shouldn't, like, if something happens and you're a referee and you could say, here's my perspective, this is why I did what I did. And you have it on a podcast on a regular basis, that's a benefit to everybody. So that is what I'm trying to believe you're right. But what you run into is you run into some issues where the referee says too much.

And then people come back at them and then the commissions have to answer for it. And the fight and then the fighters dig on them and then people are talking. Yeah. Good. That's how shit gets solved.

“That's how you don't have, like, two one hand down does not, down to Poland anymore.”

Why? You can't complain forever, 12 to six elbows, they're legit again, except a new jersey. Do you see the problem? Yeah. They got your problem.

Well, we were in New Jersey. I was like, you got to be kidding. How the fuck do you guys not have 12 to six? You can't make it anymore complicated for the referees and the fighters. So dumb.

It's the dumbest fucking thing. And it's so unfair to the fighters themselves because when we went, like I was part, I wrote those things out and they were passed by the ABC, but we gave six months, six months because you got to give the fighters time to train to make sure that they get it right.

Okay. And so it's the put it in, it works great. And now you expect them to go back to one location in the middle of a fight. Exactly. One location.

And now they're going to automatically go back to the older rules. It's like, do you realize what you're doing to them? It doesn't make any sense either. The old rules are fucking stupid. We all agreed.

Everybody. Everyone was like, no, no, no, 12 to 12. So both were two James. Oh, no. Oh, yes, there was. Was there people? Oh, yeah, you're not.

My broadcast partner. Shut the fuck up. Which one? Dan Cormy. Now I swear to God.

He says he trains you shit. That's the day. T.C. I love you. I love it. I love this.

I love this. I love the six.

“I think that rule should absolutely that's dangerous.”

That's dangerous. If we're going to ban anything and I don't think we should ban anything. But if we're going to ban anything, side kicks the knees. See, that right there. Right?

Okay, no, you shouldn't. Because we should. But I'm saying, if we should, there's an argument that you're going to blow out a guy's knee.

Yeah, he'll never be his career.

No, be. And we should then we should absolutely ban kicks to the head. And knees to the head. And we should be. Yes, because.

Yes, we're not knee or the blown out brain. I'm a green one. That's the point. I don't think we should ban anything. There you go.

There's one thing that does bother me, like the Cleo round tree Medesta's. Yes, because if I remember well, knee went sideways. Yeah. He's fucked for a year.

Yeah. And not forever. But what's the difference between that? And we'll say, you know, Edson Barbosa, Terry, Terry Adam. Terry Adam.

And that kicked to the head. You don't think that that was more than a year? Terry Adam. You know it was. Really was never the same.

Exactly. Yeah. That's my point. Oh, yeah. I mean, that was like getting hit by a meteor.

Oh, that was just crazy. I mean, it was absolutely perfectly executed. Beautiful technique that it absolutely altered. And then we talked the way.

The first wheel kick KO in the US, absolutely.

It was. I know. Yeah. Yeah. But you look and you go, there are those fights.

And we say it all the time. And you know, as a referee, as a fighter, you know, with your him characters right here. We go and watch this thing. Oh, I mean, that one was just insane.

The fighters themselves, they get paid to get damaged.

I hate to say that, but it's the truth. That's part of their pay is they go in and they're going to accept some damage.

“But you don't want them to have unnecessary damage, right?”

No, I don't think we go rising rules because there's something to be said for that. I look at, I've advocated for knees on the ground for a long time.

It's never going to happen.

My position is it's better in a ring because you can avoid them a little bit if you're mobile, right? If you're still conscious and you have defensive capability, you can move around knees and kicks. When the cage happens and you're butted up and someone stops you, that's a totally different

person. First off, the stop I don't ever agree with. And the reason why is this, name me the fight that you saw that a stop was an effective technique when the fighter was not already seriously hurt. Doesn't happen.

Socaraba. Socaraba used to do it all the time after he hurt people. Every time he tried to do it, when they weren't hurt, they just moved and he was Mongolian stopping on nothing. Hmm.

Go ahead. Take a look at him. He had to go back and watch. There was a Minua and Phil Baroni. He did that a couple times with him when Minua couldn't get the takedown because I was

there cornering him for that fight. There was that fight then there was, and then Showgun and Ninja, remember when they used to do the stop? No, no, no, no. Showgun and Ninja.

“Showgun and the brothers together, those guys were phenomenal at him.”

And the people that only saw Showgun and pride missed it. Oh, yeah. You missed it. Excuse me. On the USA.

Ninja rampage Jackson was, I mean, because a lot of people didn't, you know, going into that fight, you know, that's rampage, you know, this guy's young. He absolutely just annihilated rampage in that fight. And it was like, oh my God, he's way better than I ever gave him credit for before that fight.

That fight was, that was a coming out party for Showgun. Yeah. He was a lethal striker. Oh, lethal. And all those care, T-Bug guys were so hyper aggressive.

Yeah, his brother was just as nasty until he, you know, he's, he's got a little chini under him. We'll just start fighting. Big guys. Yeah.

That was a big problem. Did he fight Alexander? Didn't, who did he fight? He fought some heavyweight, right? Yeah.

He fought quite a few. Crushed. Yeah. But he fought.

“I want to say, guy where it was like, what is this?”

Why is he fighting this guy? Yeah. I can't remember who it was. Was it a million?

I would say it was Alexander a million.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah. I think it was that. I think it was. And it was like one of those fights.

This is a real fucking heavyweight, a big one with nasty striking. Yeah. You know what I mean? He was fucking nasty. He was good.

Yeah. He, he had some smooth striking. People don't give the million equals as a whole. Alexander was a little bit off, a little bit crazy. Oh, a lot.

Okay. I was just, I said, I just said the million is back like the fucking deathhold on a baby to the truth on his back. Like, that's a choice. That's a fucking secret.

That's a secret fight, Alexander a million ankles back tattooed. You think that you like what? But it's going on in your mind that you like this should be on my back permanent. But that's the brother and then you have faith or as the guy who was even better. Yeah.

I look at, faith or is, you know, he was such a good look at that fucking tattoo. There you go. What does it say in Russian, Jamie? Jesus. Yeah.

That's a little, that is the craziest thing to do. The baby's got a fucking sword in a crown. Oh, yeah. And then death is like, yes, let's kill everyone there. Yeah.

It's not even a good drawing. It's like, that's some Russian prison treasure. That's right. It's just some Russian prison. He's the 100% committed.

That's a ballpoint pen and a fucking sewing needle. Yep. Yeah. They did that in Russian prison. 100%.

You're an ennash. Oh, bro. But that's a lot of time. God is with us. Are you sure?

Are you sure? Based on that. And then you got his brother's brother has no tattoos. No tattoos. You can find this.

Small little wooden cross on his chest. You know what's right? No. He's so stoic. Oh, he's awesome.

Alexander, a million inco, James Thompson fight.

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Yeah. Like comes out raw. They're like terrifying fucking huge mess. The best is the look on Alexander's face throughout all of the day. Yeah.

I'm going through follow sleep. It's just completely stoic. Look at Thompson's work. It's worked up. He's pounding his chest.

He's hot. He's shaking. Look at him.

He's ready to fuck his guy.

He's cut off.

He just dumped out of a bar.

He's, but no flexing. Good on everybody.

“Doesn't even let's just hand up all the way.”

Do you pay everybody. Got the billy hanging out a little bit. It's awesome. Look how chilly he looks. Yeah, I'm going to do it.

Look how chilly he looks. Look how chilly he looks. Look how chilly he looks. Look how chilly he looks. Look at James.

He's so fucking hyped up. Alexander's like. I don't know how to say. I don't know how to say. I don't know how to say.

I don't know how to say. I don't know how to say. I don't know how to say. I don't know how to say. I don't know how to say.

I don't know.

That's the part where you did.

“Look with people and you go, you realize what you know.”

Yeah, that would hurt. No, no, no.

Your entire body is going.

I quit. I just signed this up.

He had such explosive power.

“And he, to me, he was like the first guy to figure out how to transition from kickboxing to MMA.”

Yeah. Because he did it with explosiveness. But more aggressive. I got a good measure. More extreme.

I got a good measure. That's true. Maurice was the first. But Krokop was in that same era. Absolutely.

I'm doing it in Prague. Yeah. And all this other guys like Ernesto, who's, it didn't really work out for them when they, like, he only fought Bob's app in a kickboxing fight. But even when they were fighting, like, bigger, like, Krokop fucked up Bob's app.

Oh, like same era. Same thing. Same thing. Same top here. Same same thing.

Same thing. Same thing. Same thing. Whereas like guys like Peter, Errts, that wouldn't translate as well in MMA. It leat strikers.

But they wanted to get into a rhythm. They wanted to, like, get into situations and exchanges. And with Krokop, it was as these one shots were coming at you, like, nuclear missiles. And it was a different threat. It was a completely different threat than a lot of other guys, because he was so explosive.

Yeah. Yeah. Krokop was, what a great guy. Oh, he's awesome. Yeah.

As far as, you know, and, but his left kick has to be the best left kick. There's ever been ever in the sport of MMA. Yeah.

I don't think you could even think of a second place.

Like, who's got a better left kick than Krokop? Maybe Edson Barbosa switched kick. Yeah. That's switch kick was faster. Yeah.

So accurate to do. In his prime, he would kick, and I'd be like, it's just something wrong with my ass. So fast. It was so fast. It was just, like, 120 pound out.

Yeah. It was so fast. Yeah. They, Dana called me a couple of times to fight him. And I was like, break number three.

He was like, just, like, he hit number 15. I'm like, no. Can't give me a higher record. Sorry, there's like, not that it's not that I did. It's not that I would.

Give me a higher record. Make it make sense. Make it make sense. Make it make sense. Help me help me help me help.

It's just time in my life. Make it make sense. [laughter] You did. Oh, that guy, when he came in though, you got to look at Barbosa.

You know, he's been there a long time now when you think about it. Still going back. But when he came in, it was like, do this is a next level of stand-up ability with what this guy can do. Yeah. And it was like, man.

And oddly mostly kicks. Yeah. Like his boxing wasn't threatening like his kicks. Yeah. It was not equal.

No, no. It was mostly kicks. Right. No. If he could develop something along the Jose Aldo, level of boxing.

We're even in the body. Came back to talk with the hand. And take with those kicks. I mean, Aldo's take down defense is not. Like, I'll be the best.

“I think probably the best in the sport that we've seen.”

I mean, honestly, then BJ and his prime. Yeah, right. With the one leg hop. BJ's prime was ridiculous. His balance was fucking insane.

Yeah. But I think he's the only guy that didn't get taken down by Marab. When Marab and him fought three crazy rounds. I think Marab went for like 90 fucking take down. And I don't think he took Marab took him down.

Yeah. He Marab mostly won that fight up against the cage. Hitting him with punches. Worker for take down. Caged damage.

Extremely underestimated. Jose Aldo's take down defense. Aldo doesn't now. All of a sudden, it's kind of like the Anderson Silver thing. All of a sudden, it's like, you know,

let's talk about the very best in the 145 pound. And look at Alexander Volcanowski's right there. He's phenomenal. I'm not saying don't forget what Jose Aldo did. Absolutely.

I mean, through the WC end of being the UFC champ. And all those fights, man. I'll tell you what. That guy was absolutely nuts as far as how good he was at one time. Well, I think it was also because he was in a lead soccer player.

And the ability to like, if you're watching a live soccer, oh, a professional soccer match. He like, oh, Jesus, like, they're actually, they don't get to slow down. They don't have a like a, there's no half time. There's no like big break for commercials.

There's no bullshit. They just go at the time out. Giant fucking legs. Yeah. They all have insane leg power because they're just sprinting all day long.

Yep. And you go, oh, well, that would translate perfectly to MMA. For kicking, for moving, for footwork. Think about all, it's not just that, right? It's, it's the stop and go stop and go.

I'm going to real fight. Right.

I get to take down and get to rest for a second.

Then he postures back up and gets back to his feet. I got to go again and spritz again. Get to take down and soccer, same thing. You run hard down the line. Oh, ball gets turned back.

Now you kind of jog back a little bit. Another ball gets played to you. It's the stop and go of sprinting. Yeah. This episode is brought to you by the farmer's dog.

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It puts you in a big advantage in different sports. Yeah, soccer and wrestling. Yes. The grinding of the wrestling and just the cardio fatigue and understanding that I can push through when I get tired because there's nothing more satisfying in terms of when you run down the line.

The guy plays the ball in the corner and you got to beat that defender there and you cross it across. And it's that sprinting down there to beat him. But then also two and wrestling, knowing that you can break another human being. I need to break you mentally, grind on you and hang on you. Those two sports are huge for the sport.

And getting used to suffering dehydrated. Right? That's a big factor. Yeah, the way that the men used to suffering. Yeah.

But the weight cuts and having to compete on the same day as weight cuts is a big difference.

And for people that have never done that before and don't know, it's fucking hard.

Even 24 hours as hard. Weight cuttings the grossest thing in MMA. It is. They should figure out a way to stop it. I totally.

I don't know if you were. There's a talk about one of the most. There is no way. One of the most dangerous things that you do with it. Think about this.

So every every sport soccer football, baseball, basketball. They all have team chefs. They all have all these things as far as we want our athletes to be as physically ready and have the right nutrition and all these things.

“What's the sports that we go and we starve our athletes and dehydrate them?”

24 hours before. 24 hours before the most demanding, most dangerous sport in the world. Yep. Joe, even if we did it the same day, fighters will still cut weight to try to make that weight. We still do that to myself.

The question is, I wonder if there's a way to prevent that. Like the way to prevent that, I would say, everybody, here's your mandate. No one's getting out of shape anymore because we're going to have random weigh-ins. So we're going to just show up at your fucking gym. Can't do it.

But could you, like, let's say you fight at 170. You cannot weigh more than one eat. See, here's the you can do it. I'll show up at your fucking house at 7 in the morning, Josh, get on the scale. 175.

This is not good. You could do it as a promotion. You can't do it as an industry within the sport.

And the reason why I'm telling you saying that is first off, you have all these fighters.

We'll say they're all everywhere. Okay, all over the world. And for an athletic commission, we'll say the state of California, state of Texas. They have to have that particular fighter licensed for them to say we want to weigh you. If they're not licensed in that state on that year, they can't.

They can sit there and go. But if you've got a doctor by the UFC, I bet most of the organizations would adopt it. But again, that's the UFC as a promotion. The UFC has talked about. And the UFC has the money to actually do that.

But it's going to cost them a lot of money and look at it. I understand why the promotion doesn't want to lose money. I just wait to be better. I think guys are being way better. Absolutely.

And it's exactly what you're talking about.

“You could sit there and you know, the only way an athletic commission could kind of do it.”

But this is bad on promotions. Is an athletic commission could sit there and say you're allowed to weigh no more than five pounds more than that way in weight. Okay. But here's your problems with it. First off, the promotion can lose fights.

The promotion doesn't want to lose fights. Okay. And the second part is what's saying that the fighter themselves is not keeping themselves dehydrated to make that five pound. And now they're going in even more dehydrated into the fight, which could cause them more problems. Well, they couldn't be dehydrated through their entire camp.

And that's where you into two randoms. That's why your randoms would work if the promotion was doing it. Yeah. But if you do a sport-wide, it'd be almost impossible. You have to take a long time to figure out how to do it properly and not lose fights.

Because there's too many guys that fuck around. Oh, you know, there's too many guys that, like, like, how many times a John Jones not really train? Oh, yeah. You know, like, the gust of sin fight, the first one, they said he didn't really train. 10 days.

Showed up a little bit here and there, didn't really train. So if there's a guy like that, what are you going to not let him fight? Like, what are you going to do? Like, what are you going to do? Yeah, but then you want to do 26.

And you like some other, it's too much. You also have guys like Michael Morales right now with 170 pounders walk around. Like, do you want to go to that? Like, do you want to go to that? Oh, two or five, I mean, there's a few of those guys where I'm standing next to them.

Like, Gregory Rodriguez, I'm like, how?

Yeah.

How? How are you ever 180 pounds? How was, how? How was Alex, 185 pounds?

“I stand next to him and go, you've got to be shitting me.”

That's nuts. It's unbelievable. And at 1805 pounds, nuclear power. But I don't think he took a shot as well. It didn't.

There's no doubt about it. Look at him. Yeah. You can go back and look at his fights. He's just a little bit lower by shots that were not as hard as ones he's taken at 205.

Right. Based upon. Yeah. It's that way cut. It's the point of diminishing returns.

It's like there's a place where you're just doing it too much. And, you know, you kind of love to see freaks. You love to see a guy like Alex Wayne at 185. You're like, good luck with that. Good luck with his 226 pound.

Fucking Amazon warrior that pretended to be 185 or five minutes. It's for five minutes. But he's taking a look at him so surprised how he can make the way. When you pass by him, you see how tall he is. It's not big.

And you see him with the face awful cereal gone right now. And you're like, how would this guy ever make 185? He's just 15 now. Oh, yeah. Which is great.

I saw him last week and it's like. She do 250 means. That's almost 70 pounds different from his UFC debut. The only case he believed that we're going to see a better Alex is because he doesn't have the cut as a kill himself. Yeah.

He's also put on muscle. Yeah. And there's an issue. But they're exactly. They're, again, diminishing returns.

How much is that muscle going to do that? This is where you try to, you try to tell all fighters. And you know, it's.

“Joe, if you when you were fighting in Taekwondo, did you care about the strong guy?”

Or did you care about the fast guy? The differences MMA with grappling. The, the, the differences with weight. Like if you get a big heavy guy and he gets on top of you. You're all your speed is gone.

Absolutely. You're right. It's gone within the first three or four minutes.

But the problem with being the bigger stronger guy in the lighter weight class is you're never the faster guy.

And so you've got to be able to mall that that person to be effective. And it only lasts for a certain amount of time if you had to dehydrate yourself to that point where speed is always there. When someone has it to a point unless they get tired. And that speed is hard for you to handle. But there's guys that were big for the way class and have ridiculous speed.

Like conno. Gregor's a perfect example. Yeah. Conno at 145 was fast as fuck. Conno was absolutely dehydrated to the point of being a concentration camp victim.

Okay. Look like death. I mean, it was unbelievable. However, once he got in there. Yeah.

He was fast as fuck. Oh, honestly, look. He used to, he used to lose somewhere at 145. He was. He looked like death.

He was killing himself. Yeah. I remember the weigh-ins, like interview him at weigh-ins. This is Scalor's. Oh, my God.

But then you see in the next day off full. I know. He looked good. Look at fucking man. He was also.

What was his age back then? 26-27. Right. Right. Can't do that now.

No, you can't do that now.

“No, it gets a certain point in time when you have to realize you're cutting”

too much weight and it's actually ruining your career. But I think the evidence has been pretty clear when you see guys go up and wait after killing themselves for so long. That's success. A lot of guys that.

Look at Max. Wouldn't man say I was just about to bring him up. I just had dust and pour you on the podcast yesterday. And we were just talking about how he's like, look, Max, the first time he came up to 55 didn't put the weight on properly.

Second time put it on properly. He's like significant difference in power. Oh, your ability movement. And then we amount fight with Gagey. Yeah.

Oh, come on man.

That guy should never went down to 45 again to fight Toperia.

It's too much loss. Yeah. What? Well, because we had that argument about that exact thing of he with Josh was saying, look, he should never.

It was a championship fight. Yeah. He was getting a world title fight at 145. Yeah. Right.

And I said, look, it's a world title fight. I understand why he's going back down. He's going, he's making a huge mistake. It should never take it. He should stay at 155.

You know, working this up into a title fight. And I go, I understand why he's taking it. That made him the number one contender. He'd be just thinking he couldn't fight this long. I understand why he took the fight.

So what? Might maybe he would have favored that fight with Ilya because Ilya is a small guy than Islam because if you think about it, Islam, he fucking bothers everybody. Yeah, he does. And he's striking his dangerous as fuck.

Well, of course you know. Yeah. 100,000 times. But it's like that guy. He's so fucking terrifying once he gets to hold you.

Yeah. But it's everybody. He's a whole lot better in the stand-ups than people give him credit for. Oh, he is. His stand-up is actually really good.

He's like, yeah. I don't care if Volcanowski took it on the 11 days notice. He's still head kicked. He's got a sneaky left head kick. I kick.

It's nasty. Yeah, fucks people up standing up. And that's part of the problem. Is it like you get accustomed to thinking about this. There's going to be crap.

There's going to be crap. Yeah. And then all of a sudden. Yeah. My point was that there was no.

He put the weight on properly. He looked fantastic. He had just engaged. And then he go back down there to fight Ilya. I was like, it doesn't make sense.

You're the number one guy in the heart to your body. It is. You kill yourself to give it down. Back down. And then he gets knocked out.

Which we had never seen before.

Well, that's why Jones Jr.

Two, right?

“Remember when Roy Jones Jr went up and fought.”

And then he went all the way down to 75 and got knocked out by Tarbra. Yep. It's like I don't think your body wants to go back down again. You put on all that weight over like a year and you're lifting weights. And Max had a ridiculous strength and conditioning program.

Yeah. He put real weight on. He looked very good in 55.

When Max fought Aldo the first time for the title.

He, uh, he weighed, you know, obviously weight in a championship weight 145. The night of the fight, Joe. Now he was in street clubs, but they put him on a scale. 178. What?

Sorting down. 178. Now he's still, he was still close. That's cool. What is he wearing?

Rocks in his pockets. He's great. So let's break down rock with quarters in his pockets. Let's write it. Let's let's just be real charitable and say his clothes weigh 10 pounds.

Exactly. That's crazy. You're looking more than 20 pounds. But that's cool. That's all the time.

The show that just happened in California. They know what to do with that. The MVP. The one guy. I can't, you know, 27 pound difference in weight at 170 pounds came in.

27, 177. Who was it? I want to say his name was the guy's right before solidine. Yeah. Parnas.

Can't freema. Freema. Freema. Starts with a Z. I want to say.

I can't think about that. But 27 pounds.

“Well, obviously the biggest one was rumble Johnson.”

Absolutely. rumble Johnson was the craziest. He would weigh 230 and make it all the way to seven.

But basically what Marales is doing right now.

The MVP event on Netflix is still. Fuzzile. Nemo Fuzzile. Of course the highest weight gain. 27.2 pounds.

That's insane. That's insane. That's so much. He got into KJ at 198 for 170 pound fight. I would love to get Marales on the scales.

Like right before he fought Sean Brady. Yeah. Excuse me, sir. Sean Brady is a thick. He's not super tall but he's thick.

Oh, yeah. He has put together. And Marales made him look like a. Like a lightweight. Like using the wrong division.

Exactly. I was trying to make sense of it. Watching it on TV. I thought maybe it was the camera angle. And then they shifted.

I was like, no, he's still bigger than when he's further away. That was further away. Still bigger than him. Yeah. It was a crazy situation where a guy can do that.

And it's like the Prairie situation in 1852. One guy can do that. How long can you do it? I don't know. Because you're basically killing your kidneys every time you do it.

You're just taking a little bit out of them. That was the problem with AJ. You know? Yeah. Like I used to coach in corner AJ early in his career when he first came to the UFC.

And that was his problem. He make way. Sometimes he would. He missed way to lot to the point where. Think that affected.

Absolutely. Yeah. That's fucking horrible. Yeah. That's fucking horrible.

Again. You're leaving small bits and pieces of yourself. Of course. In that damn case. When I first saw him.

When you win. He died. And I was like no. There was a true science to cut away. And he didn't have it down.

He wrestled. He wrestled division too. Like he was a really good wrestler. He knew how to make a weight. But then trying to kill himself to get to 70 every single time.

Which he never had to be.

But he never had to be. He never had to be. I mean he had massive power. He did great at heavyweight. He did great at heavyweight.

Yeah. He beat our lops. He had heavyweight. In the world. There's a fine.

He was still super legit broke our lops. He's job. Not their lops. He's not stupid super legit. Now fucking guy wins bare knuckle heavyweight championship.

It like 100 years old. Dude. He's got a lot of it. And fought it smart. Yeah.

Look at. There's a. You take a look at Andre and our lops. Can people say whatever they want about his career is made. Since UFC 28 was his first show.

Okay. Went all the way into today's day. Basically. And. But he changed his style.

You know, our lops. He was a big power puncher for a long time.

“And then was getting hit with big shots and said, you know what?”

I'm going to be a volume guy. And he was successful with it. Yeah. And didn't take near as much damage. Yeah.

He fought a lot more technique. Yeah. Lots liquor. Yeah. Didn't take big chances.

You know, a lot of good guys too. Yes. Beep Travis Brown. Travis. Oh, yes.

That fight with Travis Brown. Amazing. Was a. Frick an awesome fight. Awesome.

Awesome fight. Yeah. Well, he tore Rothwell up, which is a lot of people were super surprised by that. Oh, yeah. A lot of people thought, you know, Rothwell's a tank of a man.

Yeah. And he's a fucking scary big puncher. And he just looks hairy. Like a fucking bear. He's scary.

Rothwell's close to 400 pounds. That's crazy. Is that real? Yeah. He's real.

He's really that big. He's that big. Unbelievable. But meanwhile, he's the one getting busted up in this fight. And it was because, you know, our lopski was just fighting very clever.

And this just so tough. Everyone these years, you watch this fight right now. They think that this fight gets stopped for that cut on his forehead. That is not why he has a cut on his eye running up into his tear duct. And that's why it guy was, it wasn't that big of a cut.

Anytime it goes to the tear duct, the.

Oh, right.

“There's a doctor saying, oh, no, it's over.”

Yeah. To touch on what John was saying, though, is it really just comes down to how he changed his style of fighting. He either fight you all the way in or all the way out. He fought you in that foam booth so he couldn't get off big power shots

to avoid being knocked down. Because he went through a phase where he was getting clipped the line. You know, getting hurt. Yeah. So he made that adjustment.

That's good on him.

And all those years in the game never losses enthusiasm.

No. He's a jerk. He never had a show. He's fighting influencers. It shows.

Have you a job that? In the little kid. That was crazy. That. Those fucking dumb kids.

All right. Little not just throwing around. Shut up. Get him. I was like, what are you guys doing?

You crazy do you know that is the best part was and then the simpler circuit goes hey, you can fight my body guard Body guard's in the background going. Sure. Yeah, I'll do it. Oh, thank you. I don't know. Let's go

“If your body guard doesn't do who are lofts guys, you need to get a new body guard”

He's telling them that my body guard will fly the buzz. Oh, oh, she's just Christ. Did you guys watch the wreak of her hoovin? Usik fight. Oh, yes, I was the end in yeah. Oh, yeah, I was a I was a robbery because it I guess a Apparently Usik was up on the score cards to to one that that's robbery. That's the robbery. Yeah, that's the robbery. Yeah, that's the case Yeah, he was up. I guess I thought first off. Rico for her whovan, you know, we know what he's been in kickboxing And he's been fantastic. Great. Well kind of unbelievable. Great. It's a valtime. Yeah, and you can look back on

Certain people in your Ernesto, who's how great he was Butter Hari was a badass. All of them were awesome, but we could accomplish more than anything. Absolutely. He's been undefeated for like more than 10 years In kickboxing. That's nuts. Yes, it is. That's especially with the amount of rounds comparatively in stuff because you can have a bad round and it can really affect your fight Just like MMA, but this fight I really thought going and I go look Rico will do okay for the for the first couple rounds

And then it's gonna start to get to him. I was shocked by it. He he fought very clever and he didn't fight he didn't fight big He actually created the problems of closing that distance every time you look out close He kept on getting into the phone with and he would do work and it was causing usic nothing but problems

Also Rico is known for his discipline and his fitness. Yes, like he's a guy who always has tremendous

Conditioning and I think there's a lot of heavy weights that would be surprised at the work that this guy does and the pace that he could put on So a lot of people like oh, he's gonna get tired. He only fights three minutes and that's a lot of Survival I was thinking it gets past five rounds. I'm wondering how he's gonna be able to hold that pace the guy such a cardio-fiend And he's always shredded and it's just he's so used to combat to that like getting in there Just fighting usic. It's not a big deal that right hand right there was I mean beautiful

But he was winning eight to two in my eyes. Okay. I thought he was winning eight to two going into the 11th round when the fight was stopped now the fight shouldn't have been stopped the way it was stopped but also That was in eight seconds after the knockdown So after he gets knocked down, he doesn't have his mouthpiece So they have to go over the corner. They rinse off. That's a mistake right there. Yeah, the whole thing's a mistake

It takes like 30 seconds and then the referee stops it when he's still standing moving around Look if there's one of the things that changed in boxing since I like I referee boxing now So here it is right here. This is the end. We could watch it real quick So this is the end. Look at all this time. So he's up and he goes over This is a mistake right if I'm bringing over to his court. Hey, come on over

I want to take a lot of first thing to happen. This is what we'll talk about. Oh, oh, a drop That's on purpose of I'm doing that on purpose. Of course. I would any second counts But then look at this so he swarms him with some punches, but Rico's moving He's covering up. He's moving. What is he supposed to do? Yeah, what is he supposed to do? That's a bad stoppage So if you're going to stop it because you fought like the first knockdown was too much

Why would you let him rinse a glove off and he didn't take significant damage after that? That's a bad stop No, that's well, and it's also the end of the round second. It's the end of the round. It's literally the end of the round I think you actually stop sit when the rounds over but you at look as the referee Joe You know all of this and if you don't you're not doing your job first off You know he's got a full minute if I let this go one second

He's got a full minute to recover here even if I did think he was a little bit hurt now But I think that if that was a legitimate eight count and they went right back to fighting he would stop them there

“Maybe I think he was really rocked when you see him go back to a corner. Maybe he's the key word”

See one of the things that used to be though in boxing it was always that you would if a mouthpiece hit the ground

You had to take it to the corner have it rinsed with water and have it placed back in the fighter's mouth Right, okay, that's not the way it is anymore because of MMA and the fact that we take a we take a mouthpiece off of the ground and Stuff it right back in the fighter's mouth. They have now changed to the point of they do the same thing And the difference is many times we'll hand the mouthpiece to the to the MMA fighter because they have you know Gloveless fingers right and they put it back in some times we'll put it back in depending upon situations

In boxing now you take it.

And you don't is that Another one has an Egypt as well. Do you think the possible that you're talking about you know with under the unified rules of boxing now Which is North America? Okay, okay, that's you know Most of the time you go to Egypt. They're still fighting under the unified rules

But the referee is always gonna be different when you get a referee from England or somewhere

It's it's a little bit different, but I wonder if the referee rules are different over there if you're supposed to rinse off the mouthpiece before you put it back No, it what it means is you have not advanced As a referee to understand what we do now

“Right, but what I'm saying is do they have different rules over there?”

This is what I'm saying definitely not advanced as a referee so understand what we do now mouthpiece goes down You pick it up you would write back in the case you yes, so it's like when the UFC goes to a country It doesn't have a commission they sometimes they'll bring her be and they'll bring referees with them So they know the rules to make sure that something like this doesn't happen that referee hasn't followed up with the rules in a big time fight So he's not he's not gone and and advanced his you know training to understand this is what we do now

And this is why because we don't want I don't want to take that time from Usik because Usik did his job Right, he hit him with an upper cut that absolutely blasted and puts him on that you go and he gets up You give him no mandatory now his mouthpiece comes out am I gonna walk it over to a corner and have that mouthpiece Watched out with water, which does what for it does it dishevels it. It's actually a good and that's the real thing So it doesn't do anything

And obviously if there's something in the mouthpiece we remove the thing from the mouthpiece

“But normally it's just bitten blood if that's what's there put it back in boom, bring it back in as”

abruptly as you can to make it fair for Usik who gained an advantage in the fight You don't want to give the advantage to for a home Also his mouthpiece came out earlier in the fight as well. It's like that's a bad mouthpiece For a guy who's a world class kickbox or a world champ that could be so hard for you to Wow, yeah, it's odd that he kept falling out of his mouth

Rico with a boil and bite is nuts In the heavyweight division nuts. Do you remember Carl Parisian sure he would wear a boil and bite that wasn't boiled Oh, just straight out of the packaging. That's a way people are though That's loud to boil and bites or nuts. Well, it's also nuts Here's a we talk about this on the the U.S. He broadcast all time, but I think it's nuts that you're still allowed to wear a tie steel cup

I think it's fucking crazy That's crazy. I would wear you have a I would too. Yeah, that's all I ever wore I can't believe I can't wrap my head around how fighters don't wear them a hundred percent I would I agree with you hundred percent however it should be illegal. Yes fucking crazy You have a piece of metal on your dick. You have an actual iron over your cough and if a guy kicks it with his toe

It's gonna shatter. I've always wondered the north out of this and you just start humping their head, right?

Oh, dude Yeah, there's one that did that

“We can't be a renavardy. Do you remember that guy? I was rooting for you. I trained with him at legends and he mounted me once and he almost made me tap right?”

Yeah, by just digging his dick into my sternum He grapevine man, I'm like, bro, you're fucking killing me with this like his showed her show to Carter Oh, show to Carter just in where the oversized cup also awesome for armbutts. Yeah, that's how Frank mirrored Tim Sylvia's arm Oh, yeah, it was like sense, but completely makes sense. Yeah, but I think with a broken and if it was just as nuts Well, but this strong as Frank could as strong as he was. How good his arm was in that position that was a crazy situation

Oh, yes, I was crazy because I don't think the people in the audience had any idea Oh, what had happened? Are you if you go back to that you know, cuz her being was a referee and And her did a great job, but it was I was actually in the corner of Tim Sylvia You know where I was sitting and I had Jeremy Horn and Mad Hughes and Pat military in his corner, right? And they have the I had the same view that they had and what you saw was Tim Sylvia

But you saw his elbow out From that armbar yeah away from the hip and all of a sudden herps stopping it and they are going crazy They're going what are you doing here and you know, and they're calling him every name of the book and I go right inside the octagon And I go I heard what did you have and he goes John his arm broke I go his arm broke and he goes I heard it and I saw it. Yeah, you can see the vibration and he goes his arm broke, right?

And so at the time the the person who was in charge of the medical staff for the Nevada state athletic Admissions it was in Nevada. They're looking at Tim and Tim is like going, you know, but you saw Tim slowly stop Do a using that one arm started going out of the side as as reality started setting in and the pain started coming

But they they basically said there's nothing wrong with his arm

Right, I swear to I swear to you herb herb's greatest response. I've ever heard

He goes X ray that mother fucker

Because herb never cusses, right? He goes X ray that mother fucker. It's broken, right and sure enough

Straight across both bones well we can see it in the reeval. Yes, and you called it out or arm

“Yeah, because everybody was booing. I'm like you got to watch this watch this. What's that? What's that right there?”

That's not gonna when I saw the first time on TV. I thought I'd just shift it off of the cup because sometimes you'll see that The bowl shift off But then it you can tell us You saw on the red tube to mistake pops Pupple had like that highlight where something bends like a piece of plastic

Carable man my god. That was hard. He's broken more arms like he broke no garrison that's spiral fire fracture with a Camaro Yeah, oh

He's nasty man. That's you know it's funny because you if you're around you know Frank and you're talking you he'll always say oh

Here it is I don't want to watch it again. Oh, watch it boom Here it comes right here pop Oh God And it's the forearm too. It's like super unusual

And everyone's wondering why do you stop it? Why do you stop it? Oh dude. Herb was getting booed out of the arena there I remember we're so mad that Tim was complaining. Oh, yeah, come on bro. Like you know Which is he has to know which is how he knows? He's just such an animal. You want to fight with a broken arm Which you know literally you might have to get it amputated if you did that. Oh like look when I was a kind of damage You can have after that you could lose your arm. Yeah, you live a nuts. This is way but you'll get people all the time

I mean some of the commentators and some of the shows you know if he wants to fight let him fight. It's like shot Okay, yeah, this is From this is exactly this is not life in death. Yeah, if you lose a fight. I know it sucks But it just sucks and it's not life in death. It's okay crazy situations like Carlos old burg who knocks out You're a proharsca with a clearly blown out. Oh, yeah, but you're like if that went to the round at the end of the round

They would probably stop the fight. Well, think about what Santos right? He had a fight in John Jones with two torn-out ACL He's yeah, right? Yeah, that's John Jones. Yeah. I mean I gave him a good fight. Yeah, I think that was a split this is It was which is nuts. That's not like he could have won Like one more incompetent judge Now we're going to incompetent judges now we're gonna have problems

Well, whoever was judging the Oocyc fight was incompetent those those people were ridiculous that the fact that they didn't have Rico ahead It's crazy. Yeah, I think when you got a guy like Oocyc who's arguably the greatest heavyweight boxer of all time He's definitely in the conversation and then you have so much money involved in him being undefeated and so and Whether the referees corrupt or not they know whether the judges are corrupt or not they know and if they fuck things up for everybody

“Now, you know, there's like there's some weird shenanigans that go on in boxing. Do you remember that lady that scored?”

Who's a pack-yout fight against Tim Bradley? She's she was one of the ones that she scored a bunch of fights I thought you were gonna talk canelo against triple G There was a canelo one of the shortboard bad. Yeah, there's a she scored a bunch of fights where you like what the fuck is this? And then you have to realize about betting props Yeah, I don't believe no, no, it's not an only bird though

No, I don't like bird was was the Yes, she's a very nice lady. She's a like a she I'm gonna give her her props in this first She doesn't do a whole lot of boxing murder, but she does do a lot of MMA does a lot of the UFC still That woman watches more fights Trading to goes to more training

She puts in all the time that you could imagine to always try to get better

She is asking questions all the time now If you're gonna sit there and say well the has she you know, you know, can she roll? No, she can't But she knows what you know if you if you say okay, what's this? She'll tell you What's this she knows it she puts in that time, but you know, you're always gonna have the their certain fights no matter what They're always gonna be there you know as the judge you always you're trying to do your best

Yeah, but there's just one lady where she was involved in quite a few like ridiculous ones and the Tim Bradley Manipack I one was a big one and then they looked at some other ones and then she stepped away from it The problem is and I'm not accusing this lady or anybody of this

“But I'm saying that some people have done this in the past is that all you have to do is make it a split decision”

All you have to do is be one shitty judge that even though it was clearly for this guy You say it's for that guy and someone's making a ton of loot. Yeah, and it's not she in this day and age with betting 100% man of the UFC has a real problem. Oh, yeah There's a real problem with quite a few fights the FBI is looked into quite a few fights And there's one that they focused on the beginning because they knew that there was some improper betting

But now they're focused on a bunch of other ones as well. Yeah

I'm gonna say this about the judge.

You're just fucking stupid you're an idiot as the fighter you're a fool

But if you if you if you were around the judging especially in the UFC because it's it's mainly a lot of the same guys You know, they the these guys are on Text links. They are Consistently every Joe every UFC fight my phone blows up it blows up with Fighters it blows up from other officials asking quite what about that? What did you see? What do you think and it's because look if there is at times

We get media and we get you know people you know talk about our fights that call robberies when there's no robbery It's a close fight right and if you guy you wanted your guy to blow up do not with yeah if robbery and I I pointed it out to him. I had him sit one time. Hey sit where the judge sits Because you get one view you as the commentator you get that Beautiful monitor that's in front of you there's times when you're watching the fight live and there's times when you're watching the monitor because

The angle change as the judge now they put the monitor there for the judges and then like the UFC puts a great monitor there for

But we didn't always have that right and you didn't always many times you had the worst seat in the house

To be able to judge your fight so there's a post in front of you. Yeah, and it's so different than what people think and it's When you are the one that's putting your name on that score card you're signing it and you know this counts It's everything It is everything to you to be right You want to be right but many times what you're seeing

“And that's why they're at the three different points and that's why something you know people get into this”

Well, it was a split decision split decision is not always bad Do you think they be a benefit in having five judges instead of three? No, I've worked with it I've done too many times it doesn't change anything it doesn't doesn't change anything I'm just being honest. If it did I would say yeah, we should do it But if you have two bad judges in three good ones. Why do you have two bad judges?

That's the question When you're on the road, let's be honest. We're on the road. We do it like it's not even name a state But we show up we have to use these regular local guys. They're have been issues. I'm not saying they're having right? I'm not saying there's there are bad judges. Yes, I'm absolutely I love cops There's bad cops

But there are I love dentists There's some bad dentists There's some fucking people to do surgeries that don't have to do them You know what I mean? Oh, yeah, it's like it doesn't it's not saying that the people that do it and do a great job shouldn't be supported and praise and they definitely should

“But it's also it's like it would benefit. I think everybody would have a few more opinions like I like verdict”

Have you seen verdict? No, I think I bumped them up a bunch of times. I think they're accurate like 99% of the time I look at the verdict score. I'm like most close time out of a hundred fights most of time I agree with the verdict score. There's many times though you can take a look at this When I started teaching the command course and everything people You got to teach them. I'm teaching people to take my job

Right, okay, right in the end. I don't really need a lot of referees luckily They need a lot of judges, but they also need a lot of referees for the big ones where you can't buck this up Okay, I mean yeah, like that's it's important, but it's not the job that people think it is It is not as easy as people think it is. Oh, it's definitely not And it's definitely so hard as job next to being a fighter. Yeah, I think it's fighters number one

Referee's number two. But yes and no and you're right as far the fighting's much more difficult as far as

“You know what it does to your body and what you have to put out into it and all that way more different”

Also the consequences of fucking it up boom. I don't have the consequences if I make a bad call as a commentator It's like oh Joseph is it okay. That doesn't mean anything like nobody loses money like somebody could lose half their fucking purse Which I hate by the way. Yeah, I don't like I don't like the whole wind bonus everyone's trying to Can't stand it can't stand it you should get paid your price fighter. You should get paid to compete This is the number whether it's 200,000 or two it shouldn't be dependent upon judges decisions

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I'm okay with the win bonus, but it's got to be more skewed towards the show money So give me like let's just I'm using a round number of 80 2020 right and then you give me another bonus for a finishing bonus If I give a knock at you give me another 20 or 50 while they're doing something now, but I mean for yeah, but I just don't like wind bonuses

“I think you you know the fact that there have been bad decisions and guys have lost half their fucking purse when they need it”

And it's it's you got robbed that's when you really got robbed this not just a decision I absolutely got robbed financially which is fucking crazy to me. Yeah, I think fighters should get I don't think they fight harder I don't think any but I don't want to win You know, that's it. No one's fighting hard fighting harder because it's just something sitting out there And if they are they probably shouldn't be fighting you

Anyway, well, I always say they're not in a elite like world-class level if they're fighting harder if you're in the top 15

You're not gonna fight harder because you're getting things out. You've be you've worked your way there to get there Your pride is to involve your ego's involved. You want to fucking good. Yeah, you want to show them on your level I've always said like if you ask a fighter before the fight Hey, how much you and I went for them if they're gonna get a 40 40. They're gonna get a 50 50 Look at their 100,000

They've already mentally spent that money And trust me, it's always they drove they've got that win Kind of impulsive. Yeah, it's fighters are the best that save it. I don't know. Yeah, so yeah, it's but You take a look, you know, we know. It's a good saving money though is trickling you would think he'd be the most reckless guy No, very smart very smart with his money. Yeah

I don't invite like most he's guys are buying jeans and shirts and glasses

They're buying ringlers and But he saves his money man. He's got a lot of money saved up learning how smart smarting how to be frugal It's very important especially for an athlete hunting type of athlete especially if you're an athlete like strickland It's too reds a motorcycle that's like a best to ride a motorcycle He's still you didn't know anything from Frank mayor when you broke his femur like I'm surprised fighters

Frank me a break in his femur is what kept me from getting a motorcycle license. Yeah, that was the last one Really? Yeah, two friends crashed one friend wiped out and fucked up a shoulder and then Frank me Or got T-bone and I was like I'm out. It all comes down. There's the old saying there's two types of motorcycle riders ones that have been down and ones that are going down Yeah, yeah, and that's just the truth that's the problem

I felt like I'm hurting myself so many days a week just doing jujitsu the like that doing that on top of that It's like I don't want to risk no. Yeah, and especially if you haven't been doing it because there's ways to ride And there's you you don't ride like you'll see you can well I can watch people on the road and I go that dude doesn't know I'm on the right

“And it's like that's what scary you get a license figure. I'll ride it and buy a bike and you fucking”

You know, it's like you could go to a Cardi-liship right now and pick up a Corvette ZR1 you got a 1,000 horsepower car. Yeah, right? I'm like who knows if you know how to really do a sense of you prepared to drive that that's a fighter jet on wheel It's awesome Your parents are rich, so you have a fucking fighter jet on wheels

But you know what you're talking about Sean strictly with how many cars do you need you know I tell fighters on how many cars do you need you know I've had our argument with rampage because rampage got eight million cars Yeah, and I go dude how many cars can you put your ass in it one time right and it's like you're you're blowing through money You can't get back. You can't get back. You know, it's like tries about cars it's depending on what kind of cars you have some cars

Oh, if you're gonna do a best that's fine muscle cars sure like they're always worth money

I think if you're a fighter you need to take a page out of four scriffins book right with the sign on that he won for the ultimate fighter Oh, he drove that thing into the ground Door handles were on became to roll the window down to open the door from the outside. Like you said your character

“Yeah, but I mean that's how you have to live”

You're gonna be a professional athlete a professional fighter. That's how you have to live especially early in your career You don't know how long it's gonna last. Yeah, also there's something to be said for the comforts of Nice things and luxuries kind of slowing you down a little bit not everybody Not doesn't seem to do it to aren't so Rukin No, that's what you can do to he breaks the whole rule book

Yeah, rich kid fights like a demon, but the Greek guy he is such a stud man constantly competing and wrestling doing everything He's wrestling this weekend here at raw wrestling in New Orleans in animal. Yeah, I do I saw what I saw about I said just keep doing what you're doing this killing it just keep doing what you're doing I think the best thing that could happen to him is not getting a title fight. Yeah guys broke No, yeah, I mean he's capitalized on the bad situation

Then he broke himself. Yeah, but it was also a headbutt with Dan hope absolutely That was fucking crazy because you're as you're as a promoter right you could have cost me all this money if you get it's cut Yeah, yeah, he gets cut. They pull the fight. Oh my god. Can you imagine I come on? Nucklehead. Yeah, stop But I won't do it fight. Oh, what he's been doing with RIF what he's been doing with his Nina drama stuff and all that

Hey, keep going.

Very strong and he is the most interesting contender for Elio to hold absolutely yeah without 100% other than just a which is gonna be wild

But I think him the skills that he has the wrestling that he has and he's at the size He's a lot bigger than Elio. You know, I asked I asked DC and Dustin both Yesterday on my show on a why do you think people were over over looking Justin? That's a good question. I mean When I look at Gage I'm like he's got all the tools in the weapons. Elio to pour his heavy on the lead leg

Justin Gage. He's got a heavy leg kick. He's got a great upper cut. He's fighting the shorter fighter in Elio to pour you He's a bigger guy. He's a way bigger. He's not making 145 ever. No. He's a much bigger guy He's a really good wrestler and he's a nasty striker and he's also a kind of a fucking savoured Like he's not kind of. Yeah, I mean like like a real savage not like pretending like he when he fought Michael Johnson Yeah, UFC debut. He just threw himself at Michael Johnson and he did the same thing with Patty Pimbley

Yeah, the Patty Pimbley fight. He could have fought that fight a lot cleaner. Yeah, and he just said fuck you

“I'm just gonna walk you down and just blast you every chance I get and break you up and that's what he did”

And he's a fucking scary dude man Justin's a scary dude when he's on and this is the last dance, right So you know that he's gonna be hyper focused for this fight I just can't see why people are overlooking him like they just look at him Like oh, he doesn't have a chance can you knock down? I think they're taking a way too far as so good. Elio has done it to Everybody all these guys that are also really good

He has this kind of great. Yeah, in a row in a row. In a row three in a row. Let me Let's see it all the way Alexander Volcanowski and Like do brawls fucking crawls over it. That's crazy crazy. Three chaos. Yes, I don't hold it against him and also is it kind of somewhere? Is there an asterisk next to it a little bit because Volcanowski coming off the head kick knock out?

Yes, Matt's always max hallway cutting from 55 to 45 after putting all the way down then getting knocked out

But the only one I would say no is Charles because he goes up fights Charles Charles, you know Charles. That's no max Holloway. Yes, because he cut the cut the way, but that was his decisions and no one should have let Volcanowski take that Fight you got head kick four months ago into a coma There's no fucking chance you should be taking a fight with the scariest puncher in the division. Is that a coach's corner family

“He's an animal. He isn't a fucking animal. I think he could do it. Yeah, but see that's when you have to have the people”

Yes, maybe in your corner in your family you're saying hey, I think it's honestly in your family I think you need like someone who loves you someone who someone who is just absolutely totally honest saying You can't do this this fast. I'm not saying you can't do it Right, but you have to do these things on to be able to make it to where you have a Ability to take a shot like you used to because it's diminished at this moment

Not just that you have to take any consideration that he gets knocked out and then he goes right into camp Okay, so you're not gonna rest your brain. No, you're just not Even you're just wrestling. You're not resting your brain Anytime your body your body temperature rises. Right. You're damaging your brain, especially if you haven't let it recover yet And there's no way you let it recover. I mean, he got shin

shin to the dome by one of the biggest guys that ever fought it down five is lost huge

“Six foot tall and he fucking takes the fight on eleven days notice with no camp and he's eaten barbecue and fucking”

Triggered fosters But like you it goes to the division. He's a fucking all-time great. Oh, no doubt about it He's an all-time great and you know when you you go back and look at his fights with Max like he was the first guy to figure out Max Yeah, you know, and then you look at what he did clean it out the division I mean my god

I would have loved to see in a fair shake I would have loved to see I would have never advised him to take that fight with Islam on the 11 days notice I don't care what the fucking UFC says no go John Jones What is John Jones do John Jones had an opportunity to fight Chelsea and with very little notice. That's right He was already in shape and it was in fine nope won't fight him. Yeah, not gonna fight him unless I have a full camp preparing just for him

I'm not giving anybody any fucking chances period. See ya. Bye. I'm the champ and if Vulcanovsky had that mindset

He would have never fought in Islam unless he went through a full camp again because he almost beat him the first time

Yeah, it was a really close fight the first time the second fight he comes in. He's a little soft. He's not in shape His mind's not right. It's also the difference in the wake-up for Islam. Yes Islam was on 30/30 some hours compared to rights He's on Australia time the first time the second time he's like fully rehydrated much more time to recover Yep, much more dangerous. It was more of the expectation that Vulc thought I'll just do the same thing I did in the first fight of course because he's an animal. Yeah, you that's where you need your brother

You need someone to go dude. I love you. You're an animal. You're one of the greatest of all time But the brain is the brain like there's just certain you don't want to fight with broken hand, right?

Okay, just because you can't see it doesn't mean your hand's not your head's ...

That's the difference though as exactly what you're saying is the brain doesn't hurt right You know, it doesn't have nerve endings and so you can't sit there and say oh man I've got this problem until you end up concussed right until that now all some of the headaches are occurring and the bright light Start to bother you and all these things start to add up and you're starting to get mad about things that you can't understand. Why am I getting mad right now? Those are the telltale signs of hey, I need to step away for a while. Do you remember when Travis Louder thought

Oh yeah, yeah, who was it the Eastman Eastman Marvin Eastman Marvin Eastman. Yeah, and he caught Marvin Eastman with a punch I'm just a regular punch It's just nothing the Eastman clip went down. Yeah, and then we found out later. Oh he got killed really bad. I think by Tito in training Yep, and it's like that's that's it. He's been tea. Okay. Oh twice twice twice in training. Oh

“God, you know, you're crazy. You look and you go and that's why he went out the way he did on a percent”

Because it was a weird off of something he never would have been hurt by it was weird. Yeah

It was weird. It was like a straight laugh the conimate the end of the punch and it's like hardly moved in How hard they moved out just fell back. Yeah, because his brain was damaged. You got to give your time a full a full time A recover four and five days hundred up to six months Eighty more fats more avocados things like that to help your brain recover when one man well mark as knocked out pack You know Freddy Roach said you're not doing anything for a year

One more and you've got his chin back. Yeah, we took that year off and he came back actually recovered But Freddy being a long time boxer himself and being around the game and seeing guys getting knocked out and seeing guys Jumping back into quick. He knew Freddy being one himself. Yes. Look, you know, Fred people don't realize Freddy was actually a good Good boxer He was he had a you know good amateur record. He was doing well approach. Do you remember who his his trainer was?

His trainer was Eddie Fudge

Eddie Fudge who was the second trainer for Joe Fraser after Jansdurham died and Joe Fraser

He was there for the thrill of in Manila with Ali and stuff like that Yeah, and any Fudge told Freddy Roach son you're taking too many shots You're getting hit with too many good ones. You're not responding the same way you're done You got to stop and Freddy Roach got rid of any Fudge and

Continued to fight his professional and just kept getting knocked out and that was the end of his career and then he became the trainer and and you know You could take a look at a lot of the issues that he has but as much as you're looking at You know you're looking at At that with Freddy take a look at his brother pepper who took a lot less is worse than Freddy I mean pepper's gone now, but I mean

Head shots and trauma to the brain especially when you don't give it the opportunity to rest and heal It will absolutely Take and burn your career. No burn no doubt and There's no way to really tell there's so many guys that are damaged and we don't know because you meet them backstage

Like hey, how you doing everything's great, but meanwhile it's not great No, these guys are struggling. They don't remember what you just said exactly and then they're talking to people The repeat things over and over again. Yeah, and you can watch, you know I hate said there was a fighter fought in the UFC fought in bare knuckle boxing now He's now a training guys and

It's Joey Beltran, okay No, I had a decent crib heavy puncher took a lot of damage and I'm just watching Joey Beltran walk off of stairs And having to go one step at a time with each foot And you look and you go damn, you know and you and you know, hey, he's been altered

“You know, he's a great guy, but it's like that's what all of this does in the end. No doubt you've got to understand”

I always I try to tell fighters that I look you're a Ferrari

You know and you want to be a Lamborghini or a Lamborghini But first off, it's like you know the whole John Jones thing is you know be careful of what you put in its gas tank Okay, same with you know other guys You know, I don't mean to pick out on John, but you know we knew he's told the story of what he was doing And so careful which put in the gas tank and realize you can only crash that car

So many times before it's a piece of junk right and and it's hard to get that through that This is not gonna last forever and I'm not gonna be the same forever. Yeah, they just don't see it until I'll turn it's there Well, that's why it's a real bummer when you see coaches that you know love the fighters and they haven't stepped in They haven't done anything and they're they're keeping Training these guys because they'll lose them. Yeah, exactly. And that's what's horrible. It's horrible that you you know

You have there has to cut be the kind of relationship where you get to a fork in the road and you go

“This is what this is like it doesn't mean that your life is over. No, it's a start of your next life”

Just you can't identify yourself. Well, Josh you could speak to this because you know you fought at the highest level for a long fucking time

You stepped away healthy.

I just said hey, like I feel like you could still do it. You're right there like you're one fight away from when fighting for another title again And he's like it was just the time and I can I completely respect that. Yeah, I said because he's having time now with his two kids His wife he's enjoying his moment. He just got done lifting. He was looking swole and I was like It's good to see you came on the shows all sweaty a little bit like you know It's he's enjoying this next chapter of his life. I like when guys go out like could be oh

See we have so they offer him a bunch of money is like nope. Yep. Good did it done by and I hate when people Try to rag him on it. It drives me crazy. They sit there and go. Oh, yeah, but you know You know, you could have done this you could have done that. Hey, he gives zero five. Doesn't matter. He doesn't care He doesn't look good. Look at what he did. Yeah, that's all you need to know He dominated people that nobody dominated oh yeah, and he did it crazy way like I'm the speaking of Barbosa

“I remember that fight where he Barbosa had that thousand yard stare so do I in the first round”

It's like he was like oh my god. This is never gonna go by what it was it gonna

Hey, I actually looked something up the other day It could be because the only guy is never blood inside the UFC octagon that He's the only fighter to never bleed inside the hatch. What about Joel? That's why he's the most dominant fighter in Look, I have the John Jones being you know can see look at the John Jones. Yeah, the greatest as far as you're gonna say Who's done it better as far as all the championship fights and all of that stuff John Jones is the guy right?

He the most dominant fighter. I ever stepped into that cage with was Habib Look at this can we've never Visibly blood was severely bruised or was knocked down during his professional MMA Who's the only person you ever saw heard of? Conner nope no no listen T-Bow her Mike you can say Michael Johnson Michael Johnson has won

He gave a little bit of trust. I was doing that fight. That's right And he had I was like oh yeah, that's right Michael Johnson comes stuck it right back. I said I go have me I go you heard he's like I'd probably come on, you know You talked you talked about you know Michael Johnson again's Gachi You know and after that fight because I did that fight and I told Justin hey

Congratulations, that was a great performance. You got hurt. You went through because I never got hurt

I go go watch the video Guys went to war oh, man the crazy thing was when Kabib is on top of Michael Johnson and he was saying come on brother You know, I need deserve time of shot. He was like, I don't want to do this to you I don't want to and then when he almost when he got him in the comor I was like please I also yeah, you're so pleased up. Yeah, what do you think? I'm saying it was so I think the only reason why I didn't break is

“Kabib is probably being kind. Yeah, like he's talking to the whole time now the entire fight you have to give up”

He's saying you have to give up. Come on. You know I need to type through fight for title It's my destiny after fight for the title. Yeah, I need to fight for the title You know this. I deserve this you agree. He's like you're great. He's saying it's what he's beating his ass Like a draw some like huh? Yeah, I mean he was just a mother fucker dude Oh, so everybody agrees. Everybody agree. Yeah, as he's beat as as he sings the everybody agrees

Well, how about when he was on top of a con or do you say let's talk now? Yeah Come on. Let's talk now. Let's talk now. I loved it. He was a monster dude Kabib is he's just so relentless, but it's everything it's everything to do with his lifestyle And this is where this is where you get into you know you've seen it too many times champions and there's been great champions But when you become the champion everything in your life changes

The things that come your way change, you know you get you get offered things that you didn't get offered in the same way before You get all these opportunities and all of a sudden instead of going to the gym You're spending the day on a plane going to a location to do something sometimes it's for the promotion that you're working for Sometimes it's for the UFC or whatever promotion there is and Because they're asking you so you're missing that day of training and then you're getting back on the plane you're coming back the next day

And that's another day that you're miss he never missed training

“He never changed his lifestyle. He did everything the same yeah, and that's why he had the results”

He got well for a super successful guy. He's still so humble. Yeah, so like normal to talk to He's so balanced and it's that discipline that he has He discipline is is religious beliefs like he's just so so rock solid the thing about him is that he tries to make sure He puts the guys in and help get him there tries to help them get elevated as well You know, and that's

It kind of what I'm trying to say is it how you've done with your guys with your group of comics and friends You guys all lift each other up. He does the same thing with the group of friends that he has So not just like myself and DC and you know islam and those guys I mean like when they go to travel for events He put you know, he takes care of the house. He makes sure that it's all organized

Make sure that there's enough room for everyone. There's food

You know, obviously all the guys other guys chip in but it's like he's at one...

He's the leader of that team and I'd love seeing somebody that puts that much effort into guys that helped get him there as well

Yeah, no, he's a real leader. Yeah, he's a real leader and now that he's coaching I mean you imagine you're a kid and you need motivation You're literally being coached by one of the greatest combat sports athletes ever walk on God's Earth and and one that did it right the entire time The entire time and it is all about discipline and hard work like you couldn't pick a better camp Especially if you're a grappling-based guy, you know like send them to Dagestan two-three years ago

“Great as me with all the time. I think what separates you know Islam and have even that whole group is that there's never a moment”

Or they're not training like I was in Chicago at one of the events for Bellator We were there and I was headed down to the bar after the event They were headed to the gym passing me the elevator. It's a come up and talk to me So I was up there for an hour to chat with them while they're riding bikes You know lifting weights getting their workout in and everyone else is down at the bar drinking Wow, you know, and so it's it doesn't matter

They don't even look at it. They don't think about it They just go right to the gym. They get their sweat on there up there for two hours. It's not it's not like this intense

It's not a 25 minute. Yeah, it's working. Yeah, and never letting themselves get out of shit

I know and you see him in the morning right when they were living it when they were training out of aka in the mornings You'd see them at the at the track in the mornings. They would just jog but then there was little stations where you'd do sit-ups and push-ups They would do those and they would do it for a two or three miles and they'd come to the gym at noon And they'd do their workout sometimes hard sometimes not but they were always training always working

“And that's what separates them. They're not out the club until two or three in the morning”

Then trying to recover the next day and they're not drinking and they're not smoking They're not doing the no drinking is huge If there's one thing that fucks fighters up more than anything, it's partying Drinking especially I guess coke, but I don't have a lot of experience with guys that I know that we're doing coke But I have a lot of experience with guys that were drinkers and you would see them in the morning on like they would go outside

Arey-night Sunday they'd be fucked up the show up Monday to train and they just looked like shit Yeah, because they have been partying too hard just two days ago and you don't think that that's gonna make a big difference What if you're getting drunk on Saturday night? That's days before you back to baseline days You know, and you could get away with it when you're 23. Yeah, a little bit kind of but are you because you're probably not as good as you would have been and then Maybe you're gonna get hit with some shots. He wouldn't get hit with or you've been gonna get tapped when you wouldn't have got tapped

Yeah, yeah, but and then you take a look that's the big difference if you go back and look at my bebes career Go back and look at his first fight in the UFC and look at how bad and I'm serious how bad his stand-up was Yeah, it wasn't the best. Oh, no, it was it was probably the worst Okay, it was I don't think it was the worst. It was He did a lot of it. He was shit. Yeah, but take a look at it. No, it's where he said it. Yeah. Oh, yeah

It was it was tight. He always was improving. Oh, he was everything. Oh, remember he drove him through out

Oh, he cracked Connor. You know with a big right hand, which was like everybody was like holy shit Yeah, I had several conversations with shop about that because I went down and did a show a couple times in LA before that fight And I said look stylistically corners the better striker I go put the intimidation of the takedown and the threat of the takedown for Connor is gonna make him hesitant I said don't be surprised if obedience of Lannison could some good hard shots on the feet. That's a giant factor

Yeah, fear of the takedown. How about Kevin random only fuck crow cop when he knocked him out? That was what it was I'm so fear the takedown. That's the the thinking the thought process Oh, I can't let him what you get it if Kevin random and in crow cop fought a straight kick box and match with no takedowns She's come cry. It's a walking It would be terrible to watch but that threat of the takedown is this factor that keeps you from being comfortable

It keeps you from finding your flow state that little temptation opens up so many opportunities to get to catch them Yeah, it's big. It's so big you see it and fights all the time when a guy just has this extra element of the end one

“So that's why it's so impressive when you see a guy like Pereira where there's no thread that takedown”

Yeah, it's no thread not not happening He's not even thinking about taking down. He's just gonna fuck you up and now it's up to you to deal with that We just don't have the level of wrestlers these days in the 205 and the heavy Division to compete with them on the in the wrestling. That's where that's where you have someone like Steve's in coming in Gable coming in the heavyweight division. Yeah, okay Curtis blades can wrestle now Josh Hocott look at Josh Hocott's the real deal

You know, he was a he's a he's a good athlete. Yeah. He's a good all around athlete. He's a character. You go with the stick But also he put up he put up absolutely put up in that Curtis blade. Hello that fight as a heavyweight fight was awesome The watch you know terrible for you don't know. Oh, yes, and that's the crazy thing that he's going to fight Derrick Lewis who's the biggest knockout puncher in the history of the fucking heavyweight division more knockouts and anyone and he's gonna fight him

What how many weeks seven weeks seven weeks seven weeks seven weeks seven weeks seven weeks seven weeks seven Fox seven weeks seven weeks after a war hello, he was a Chris blades fists. Oh, yeah

They're gigantic he's a giant man.

Big shots and what look I got to give it up for Curtis blades. What a fight. He put on because he took

“Some damage, I've never had some big shots as a man man hard crazy crazy heart because he just did not want to lose that shit talking”

Okay, we'll drop the act we talked to him in real life. Yeah, and in the ring

You know in the cage after the fight. I said that was a fucking amazing buddy. He goes I talked so much

He goes I have one I talked so much shit And then he went did it again Little illi it's a boy is not there trying to pick fights with no Great well, he just talks shit about so many people. He's just trying to get people upset and talk Oh, he's just pushing buttons. Listen that that's the the conema Gregor game plan

Like you mean Connor did it the best Chailed did it the chair was the first room to do it in MMA Chailed did then Connor took it to another level. But they kind of stayed in the they kind of stayed in their lane Like this is my weak lad. This dude doesn't care for one on thirty five one forty five Yeah, he just wants controversy. He just wants controversy. He's basically like one of them kick streamers

His much as possible. He's look what he's done. No man. He can find himself. You can fight and the UFC for a division that the UFC has

“Man, they need these people. Yeah, I think gables the man”

That's your nightmare. That's Mike Tyson when he was 20. I mean he's still wearing he's got some work to do But I'm glad they signed him early. You know, um, trying to develop him hopefully a little bit give him two or three more fights inside the UFC

The problem is that heavyweight division the UFC is so shallow that you could see gable fighting for a title within a year or two

Three fights three fights could be yeah He's got to learn a lot on that process hundred percent. He's got John in his corner. Yeah. We got you got to give him credit though. He has shown that you know first off He's super fast. Oh, okay, but he's also got a chin. He got kicked up into the head neck area He ate that sucker. Mm-hmm. You know, and continue it on and you go. Well, he's a tank don't let that happen again Right, but don't it happen, but man. You've shown hey. He didn't let it affect him. He didn't back off

But he's a limp it gold boy. I mean, he's a winner. Yeah, he is a small heavyweight though like that hybrids Yeah, but that's the best it is. It is it is two fifty. He's just not tall, but he's a wide as far as legs legs Yeah, how about when he had that dirty boxing fight and then lept over the top rope That's the whole thing like it was a box of tissues on the dog the best. He's the first one was when you had the first one And he hits the guy the guys out going down and he's taking him down

“It's a double wall like that. That's how fast he is. Yeah, he's the most impressive of the prospects”

But you know, hopefully this is going to excite that like when you have a like every division goes She's like, he's in valleys and when you have a law Hopefully, that's when people come in and they fill that void and with Francis out of the UFC and looks like forever Which is a shame. It's a shame. I don't know. I tried to negotiate that I could bring them two of them back together. I tried to have a sit down. Dana was not interested. He doesn't want to have any to do with them

It's about interpersonal relationships interpersonal exchanges that they had that I'm not oh I don't know what happened exactly. I just know what Dana told me and I believe him So it's like you have the best heavyweight in the world and he can't fight and you have say yeah, which is to me crazy I mean, let's do Molly together Outro we can do anything. I mean, this is why I'm not a promoter and it's why I'm not a business man

But if I was I would I would go to dinner. I'm going to come on. I'm sure we could let our differences be aside Like he's not a bad guy. It's just, you know, yeah, sometimes people's get upset They say things like

Smooth it out. Yeah, my experiences with Francis have always been super positive

I do not enjoy talking to him. I have Francis has been nothing but kind to me and everybody I've introduced him to and stuff. He's always impressed. He's the scariest fucking heavyweight on planet earth He's huge people I I was at an awards thing and what me should take and Rashad Evans and I and my wife were taking a picture and all of a sudden

There's shadow comes over the top of it. So it's Francis with his arms out like It's like what the hell when you get a natural 265 a guy's net and shredded cutting weight to make 265 That's yeah, I mean he's he he there's many fights where he was like 272 75 Oh, yeah, he would drop a little bit away to make the 26 which is also stupid Why is there a 265 pound weight limit for the heavyweight division that's yeah nuts? Isn't that nuts? Yeah, I know why

You know, I was you eat those hit really big guys It was a Lorenzo the Lorenzo was you know looking at it saying here. I don't want fat guys Really, that's what you know because you had

Ruined the country everybody loved it.

You had no weight limits. I was loved to a point love Roy. Yeah, and no weight limits and that whole thing was He looked at said I don't want you know a bunch of fat guys We got to cut it off at a certain point because I'm not gonna have super heavyweight

You know and you need to never they never did well not having super heavyweight is fine, but merge it

Yeah, it's it's ridiculous if a guy is like value F remember value F yeah the Russian guy was seven feet tall

“I don't feel let him fight David. Hey beat him remember that one. Oh, that's right”

David hey and David is a small heavyweight in the purse. Oh, yeah, holy feel beat him too, right? Didn't holy feel beat him I don't I holy for didn't fight value. I think they do did they? I think they did I think that one up I think they did I might be wrong. I don't think I'm not sure vendor fought him David. Hey beat him. I know that not be wrong But there they are yeah. Oh, that's him. Yeah 2008 crazy and the vendor Holyville was a cruiserweight. Remember when he fought Dwight Mohammed Kawi was five

seven. Oh, yeah, Kawi was a freezer way seven cruiserweight. He would get underneath. He was like he was a nightmare to deal with

He was a new Joe Frazier pros a tank. That guy was anybody pulls trunks way up to here

Oh, he's right friends double. It was a crazy. Oh, value of one. Yeah Highly dispute it is majority decision. That's where you get a fucking reference. That's when the judge you look at the look at the age of a vendor Yes, 46 which is crazy. It is crazy. It's crazy when you see these guys that you know Like wow you'll overmarrow can do it. Okay. No He is a system earth. Okay. This is where this whole UFO thing comes in

Here is the proof of the yes. There are aliens and your old Romero is one of them. Yeah, it's gone He is built differently than every other human being on the faces. I told this story before I don't know if you guys heard it But this this actually happened when the you at one of his fights he broke it into his orbital

“The UFC brings him to a doctor the doctor says to him to the UFC. Where did you get this guy?”

Yeah, I think he's pretty awesome. I don't know. I've never seen a human built like this before

They said his tendon is in his eye where three times larger than a normal person They said the orbital bone is already healing Like this is crazy. I need no medicine. So then there's some questions. It's like, you know Listen, the cubeins are very connected to the Russians were very good. It does science It's wild. It has I mean you got to think if you had a kid and you knew this kid was gonna be wrestling

Totally different kind of kid. Oh, I remember I'm not read a story about this guy then his son Started showing like Androgenic effects very early on. They were freaked out like the kid was good because Dick was grown. He's getting hair They're like what the fuck is happening to this baby? And they realized that the dad had testosterone cream

So the dad was taking testosterone cream. He's holding the baby and you know bear chest to bear chest It's transferring. It's he's literally juicing up his fucking good Have you have you seen Andre smile? Yes, holy Jesus Christ Jamie. Who's that guy huh? Andre smile is a he's a he's kind of a hybrid. He's a bodybuilder power lifter strong man warm wrestler Yeah, he's three hundred and fifty pounds. I mean twenty twenty-seven inch. Oh, yeah

He's hands look at his hands are so big look at catchers men. Yeah, and that's good as hands You you have you heard you know what he's 2016 to 2020 sex look at the difference 2016 look at not look at his hands. Yeah, look at his hands difference His hands are huge because he take our mom. Oh, yeah He takes a thousand units of growth hormone a day. That's ten vials. What he does. Yes. He's gonna die

Well, you cannot take that real He's insane. Yeah a thousand. Oh my god. Look at the size of them That's so crazy That dude does one arm pull-ups 350 pounds. I mean he is absolutely and he's not and he has a 27 years old look at him

He looks like he's 50. Yeah, he looks at least 50. It doesn't he have a factory job. I think he has a regular job So it's not even he's not even doing it for money. Oh, no, but it's crazy when you see him when he was young Look at that that's him. Yeah, that's the same guy. I mean that that looks like a regular athlete He has a regular athlete there and then all of a sudden he becomes this fucking immense freak He has a lot of testosterone to look at his hair like that. Yes. He did everything. Everything. Yeah

He's done everything the rest whatever you got give me it There's a lot of those dudes. Do you know about that guy Tom Havilland? Oh, yeah, have an australia

“Dude that that's what eight that dude you took him look at him”

He is he's unique and the fact he doesn't do the normal workouts and stuff, right? He does basic Farm stuff. He picks up, you know things farmer walks with stuff that's ridiculous

He does like a lot of picks up axles

Yeah, weird shit. Dude, but he's six foot eight Man, let's say 330 pounds more not more helps of trying to get to four He was trying to get to four so he's in the three 90s. He's like this is building up to four and a pounds but shred it Yeah, and and Propostrously strong. Yeah, like farmers

That's always he's always working out when you can't see him. Yeah, see his back and he's always wearing clothes

Which is very odd, but there's photos of him without the clothes Yeah, and it's almost like he's building a master piece and he wants to reveal it once he's done painting See if you can find some pictures of what he actually looks like because there is occasionally. They show his body He always takes all the stuff like that's it fucking bro. Wow, look at that

“I don't think he's that old. Okay. I think he's like maybe 30 or something. Yeah, it's nuts. Yeah, he is gigantic dude”

68385 what the fuck what the fuck now imagine if he wanted to fight MMA and they're like, well, sorry You've got to lose a hundred and ten pounds That's crazy You're the heavyweight that they want to put him against. Yes. There's a weight class Listen, I think this should be at 225 and then should be chaos 225 and then chaos I agree

Yeah, you and let the freak in let them the mice and fruit in like some of them some of the most entertaining fights and pride right with the freak fights Yeah, well, who's the thing now? That guy's gonna melt your piss cup. Oh, yeah 100%. So just like if you put that fucking guy like one of them test for machines It would ding like one of those cartoon things Yeah, and he hits the bell there would there would be fireworks going

Streamers coming down that guy's on the natch come on, but that's just like pride. You know, yeah, exactly like pride God pride everybody was juicy. They just had the enhanced game. I know but the only one roll record was broken in the Yeah, yeah, yeah, really that was a 50 meter swim He's wearing a suit that's illegal. Yeah, because it makes you slippery. Yeah So it was a guy that had already beaten the world record like I don't know a couple years back

So he's beaten him since it's no one really it wasn't that successful and I talked to a friend of mine about it

“And he was like I think first of all, they're not like monitoring everything everyone's doing”

They're not optimizing them if you really want to juice these people up You can't let them do it themselves. Yeah, you've got to have like a whole program where you put them on this stuff But also like what do we do? Did you hear what you heard of the reason why they're doing? Why? They the whole thing is kind of like red bull You know how red bull does all the crazy you know different stunts stuff and everything their whole thing is they are a

They're a A company that gives out or you know, it puts out these Monthly things of TRT and all these different, you know things with testosterone stuff So they did this whole thing as an advertisement

basically for people to see that

Being enhanced is better and that you'll come and now sign up for it

“I think it's $399 a month for your whole thing to be a 309”

It's a program and there you go. It's an enhanced program. Okay, so when did they thank you Jamie when we had them on Jamie? Did they bring this up not only did maybe they adopted this later because we had them on like about a year before They were gonna do the games and they were telling I was like, let's go. Let's do some up juice of juice everybody up Yeah, what about a enhanced fight games? You know my interesting to a bell for it. Yeah, so the whole question is this when you truly look at it

Because I look and say look as long as you oh if you open it up to everyone then it's someone's choice You're gonna hear all that thing. Well, you know you can do it if you want you don't have to do it But It's different when you're lifting a weight or you're swimming in a pool or doing those things or you're beating on another human being It's just a there's a difference you're creating damage in the sport of fighting 100% do you want to enhance someone

In being able to do that you're also enhancing your ability to take damage You could take that in consideration you're you're gonna get hit with less shots because you're gonna have more endurance because you're gonna be on EPO

You're gonna have that's always good for the two super good. Yeah, the strokes that you get on your PO are the best

But I mean I got to think there's a way to do all those things if you're monitoring your blood work And you're being very careful where you don't go crazy like Yeah, you know people That's human nature. Yep. You're right one step take another. Yep. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, and if that guy has skills imagine that guy We're like, oh my god imagine if you got fade or you broke. Oh, yeah, do you want to keep fighting?

I know I know it's up to forty nine, but That's only that's only biologically. I can make you 32 again. We get you in a hyperbaric chamber every day for two hours

This is what we're gonna do testosterone in the morning testosterone at lunch...

Oh, growth this all day long. You're taking growth from the moment you wake up

We're gonna get you up to about two nine. We're gonna shred it. We're gonna peptide you

“I think part of the attraction to fade or though is his it's belly 100% you know”

Yeah, you lose that. Oh my gosh. I mean I'm actually Lorenzo saying I don't want fat guys to fight You fade or it's like all right. He did everything he could to get fade or yeah, well, they did. They really good. No, I remember those days Yeah, there was it was kind of crazy like the he was negotiating with some dangerous characters. Oh, yeah, and Dana's like we've got a upper security This is getting fucking just getting heavy with these guys They wanted a piece of the promotion. That was the whole yeah everything everyone talks about that. So look at it

It wasn't it wasn't fade or, you know fade or what a fought for anyone and it wasn't the price of what you know He wanted for money. It was M1 was associated Vadim Finklestein was

Fator's manager. He had M1 and he wanted a co-promotion

Yeah, with you know we can't do that. That's the one thing we can't do and that was that was the end all right there Yeah, which is unfortunate, right totally we missed out on the greatest match-up of all time between prime cane and prime Fator prime cane and prime fator would have been fucking nuts Yeah, no, I mean absolutely nuts

“Nobody had a gas tank like tank came nobody. I just talked to him yesterday I came and I was just talking to him”

I said there's one fight you come back for and he's like You know, I'm really like he's not he's just he's completely checked out of the fight thing But I was like no check that to fight. I mean he's doing a great job of training guys to me He's back to it. He's not he's not no. He's not. Uh, just talking to you

He was just I was just I'm at the fight. No, he's just like. No, I'm kind of like just disconnected like it's

He's just trying to get his life back. Well, understandable. Yeah, that's the one fun I said if there was one fun, I could pick for you. It'd be fate or it'd be that'd be the one fight I want to see out of him we missed that it's funny cuz that everyone talks I agree with you completely everyone talks about you know the fight that they would have put together would have been Brock Against Fator yeah, and I look and I go yeah, that's probably not that good of a fight

Yeah, it's like Brock had such a hard time. Yeah standing up with that guy. Yeah Fator well well the good example like the Brock fight to me that was like kind of the craziest fight was Alistar. Oh Juice Boomerie Boomerie yeah, the most I was he. That wasn't juice. That was horse me. That was every That was horse me. He definitely ate some horse me. Oh, yeah, but there was he was all seat and pills No, this is a lot going on, but he was a monster. He was world-class pick by him now. Yeah

It's like a vegan now. He doesn't look anything. Oh, he looks like he did yeah, but he's back to his pride. Yeah, yeah Well, actually super model this good for health. Yeah, right by the way That guy's been KO at a ton of times seems fine. All right He did the commentary during the U-Sick fight the Rico fight and I'm like guy is fucking talking great He's like smooth and articulate. It's not and not everyone gets affected the same way and it is you know

There is you there's a little factors and you can see the difference there are guys, you know that are been boxers with 70 professional fights They do they talk fine and everything's good just also a gene

“What's called APOE4 and if you have that like what is it? How does it work if you have it?”

You're protected or if you have it you have the problem So there's one this one gene expression that makes you more likely to get CT for whatever Yeah What is it it was it put it put that into proplexity and see what it says about there's a gene that you have in your body Yeah, yeah, some people haven't and some people don't and if if you have the whatever it is

Where does this gene expression? I'm a moron. I'm not the guy to talk about this But Dr. Rhonda Patrick talked about this and she was saying essentially that if you have this here it is APOE4 appears to increase the risk of severity of chronic traumatic and self-alopathy In people a significant repetitive head impacts, but is a modifier of risk not a cause by itself So

Meaning obviously if you're having it you're not taking a chance you're okay. I wasn't doing anything right, but if you have it So go back up again, please a large post-mortem study of 365 people with RH1 294 with CTE 70 without Carrying APOE4 was associated with more advanced CTE stage and higher-tow protein burden in the front-alope Yeah, but mainly in those older than 65, but that's just because they haven't been testing all the MMA fighters Yeah, we're all the boxers

You know because like if you really you just tested regular folks or football players Probably it's like football players is probably in the country the most people that have had trauma Absolutely because you think about high school kids even junior high kids They're quite yeah, I mean they did a study of I forget how many different people But they found that every one it was like nine out of ten had it in every group

Whether it was high school kids college kids some level of CTE which is nuts.

High school kids, does it everything everything that we've learned and we know today? Comparably I'm from here. I'm going to Florida for the

“Association and rings eye physicians. They have their annual conference and they put on all these different things and we you know”

Put together programs for down fighter things and all this stuff, but we know so much more now Joe it used to be you know, I would go and and do a presentation for him and it was you know

But one of the first things you know when I first did it I asked him a question

I would do a simple question. Let me ask you this if if a guy gets hit with a shot boom, and he's out going down and he hits the ground and The fighter comes in and hits him with a shot is it possible for him to hit him with a shot and actually wake him Back up everyone from back then no that's impossible. All it will do is intensify the effects of the first shot all this stuff And it's I took a DVD as if let's watch

What fight did you use? I had I had a bunch you know, and it was a matter of it was trying to show him hey All these things that we think are just not true Okay, when we have to we have to branch out and start to figure this stuff out a little bit more because it you know in boxing It's different because boxing establishes time for me to make decisions MMA takes that time away Because I have a fighter that is now instead of walking towards or you know

Trotting towards a neutral corner or something like that. They're you're trotting towards That person to do more damage to him and so you're making that quicker decision and you know We've had too many fights where we have someone that you know they're outgoing down and then hit the ground

“And there and you have to actually wait you know, I just had you know one and last week with Jason Jackson is fighting”

His opponent Jeff and Creighton and Creighton gets hit and he's going down And I'm going into stop it and I see he starts sitting up and I got to wait And it's like I don't want to wait. Don't sit up and he's Comes up. Oh, it's it goes out. I stop it But it's like those are the ones that you look at and you go

Man to understand the way the human body everyone responds differently in certain situations but We've learned more as far as the human body will do weird things in traumatic situations in it It is the ability to hit someone and to take those synapses that are connected and to separate them There is no difference in being able to hit them and putting them back

That's crazy. It's not the same way yeah Be crazy and nuts in the Hermes front could fight and you have see forty seven Forty square. Don't go back to far back

We're in the third round. I catch his leg and he throws a little loopy shot and drops me

I have the leg in my hand and I'm just going I can see my face headed towards the canvas my eyes are wide open But I can't put my hands in front of my face my face bounces off the canvas. It wakes me up and then I start fishing for legs Wow, it's just I can see everything. I can hear everything. I just couldn't put my hands in front of my face And my face hits the canvas. I wake back up and he starts jumping on me

“I start trying to fish for legs and trying to get to guard and that's how that goes”

Yeah, first thought I hope I didn't damage my face because I'm so good looking jealous Told you the whole time you violate the stereotype the good looking guys can't fight There was a little bit of a stereotype that like good guys when push comes and shove They're gonna fall apart because they're too good looking. I don't want to get fucked up. I don't think so

Not sure I see it. I've seen too many good looking guys. Look at Rico. Yeah, very moving to fucking model Yeah, he's a beautiful man. Yeah, that guy came to a can trying with can and DC for a couple weeks That guy's a fucking murderer. Oh, yeah, he's a murderer and like when we were talking about earlier about the fight And him the bot his boxing is really good his cardio like he was talking about as fantastic But man, he has no fear of being taken down is no fear of any of these guys can and DC didn't care

He didn't he would fight them to the death on defending takedowns they were like man the DC was the As soon as they got they touched gloves he would just right to the legs. You know right before you see Yeah, yeah, they're off of them Jericho Lewis, but then the oysic fight came up

And it was like listen this is 15 million oh yeah 15 million and look what happened

I mean Amazing choice because in most people's eyes he won most of the rounds of that fight go go back and look at some of the fights That one right there. Okay, you know, it's the most recent look at Francis and Gano against Tyson Fury Yep, and look at the scoring on that one go back to Connor McGregor versus Mayweather Because no matter what you want to say Connor won the first couple rounds because mayweather didn't throw any punches

You don't this whole thing about oh your general ringmanship bullshit You're not throwing punches. You're not winning a fight. Okay. It's a fight. It's not a dance. It's not how pretty you look And so you can go back and and I can tell you like I've talked with some of the judges off of the Mayweather

McGregor think I made a mistake.

How interesting you know, I think it's easier for the heavier weights though to go up to boxing and have a little more success Then it would be for the smaller guys like it needed to pour in a fight blood Crawford. Oh, no, stop Sorry, you know, I mean like that's my point the level of boxing talent there with bud and and it's not it's not in close It's not in close but it's one of the greatest to absolutely absolutely and but it'll be if he just went into boxing Yeah, I mean but God hands are insane but Crawford

Could go to MMA that do can wrestle, right? Okay, so I would love I mean Obviously not gonna happen just because of the money you can make boxing is not the same and also he's another guy that's like I'm done now have to do this anymore. Oh, I did all that how to want to do multiple division way champion undefeated Bye yeah, made a ton of money see it yep beat canello and box through the box the hairs off of me Great, I mean when he was pity half punch them and then hitting him with big shots like that

So you do do someone when you're playing he had canello so Absolutely frustrated yeah during that fight, but I remember you watch I was in New York Gleason's gym Terrence Crawford is there and he is boxing all these guys and and just playing just

Absolutely, you know come on next one bone and touch touch touch. He never tried to hurt any of them never tried to throw a big punch

You just looking you go How good is this guy? He is that you know and he's that guy one of the best switch hitters that ever do it Oh, yeah, in my opinion. It's like him and hackler. Yeah, they're like right there

“He got it's why great a switch hitters. Yeah, I think it box you south pop and all sudden he's orthodox”

You know, oh no and do it The funny part about him is you know you see it at MMA guys will switch when they take a Step and throw a punch. They'll switch through a different it. He does the same thing and he does it and then takes a Lateral movement that had Canello like where the hell is he yeah, and he's going high Pap you know yeah, and you go oh my god. He's so goddamn he hit Canello with a straight left and then Canello went to counter

And he had the hand still out there and he threw it turn it into a left hook. Yeah, and I was like good Lord, yeah, it was so pretty you can see Canello's like here I come back bang. Yeah, he gets dinged with the left hook like that is crazy Speed and precision and technique. I've said this before I've spawned with Robert Ghost the Robert the Ghost Carrero and because he lived in Gilroy And we would train together all the time he would use me for the abby and fight shape ready for my UFC fight Just the sun's fight. Yeah

Literally I'd show up. I was the first four rounds of a 12 round session. He knew a new training partner every four rounds

This guy would just piece me up. He was just toy with me, and it was embarrassing I'm like I'm in the best shape of my life, but I by round four I was exhausted and he was barely touched him Because you're looking on it touch move slip of the size slip of the side. Oh, so good and he wasn't and he wasn't at me Weather's level. He's fought me weather, but like he wasn't that level of right slickness, but he made it look like it When I was in there with it. It's all in comparison. So good. I mean, there's guys that look like look at Jack Dell a

Madeline when he fought Carlos protest. You like Jack Dell a Madeline is one of the scariest strikers in the sport and then he fights

“Proptoise you're like oh yeah, there is a different levels. That's what you try to tell everyone to get has this idea”

We talk about it all the time and I go you don't understand the difference this much makes In the difference of how you compare in a fight with somebody levels. Oh my god levels, especially when you get a guy like Proptoise that had so many high level and moly tie fights. That's the big difference these guys that own with only striking They develop an understanding of positions and technique that's just not available if you're training the other stuff too And so then they get to this like parrera

They get to this super high level at this one thing and then they incorporate the other stuff But that other you're not gonna catch them. You're not gonna catch Proptoise when it comes to moly tie that step-in-fucking Tomahawk elbow does holy shit dude and he's playing and he smokes Marboros He smokes Marboros in the back. Oh, it's crazy. He's getting the guy the fight and he's smoking blunt What's the guy the fight? Delo way out of him come out. It's smoking cigarettes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, but I mean

Mayorga was never at the level of Proptoise. Proptoise like is so fucking slick man

Some of the shit that he was doing to JDM like JDM is a fucking killer and he had it

“No, he was drowning. He was drowning and it was he was also like what is going on with his limbs?”

So big yeah, it's like crazy like he says he's six foot one the fuck out of here, bro I want to I want to measure your your height and your length because I think there's some bullshit Yeah, he's just all like I think he did this for his reach His reach is nuts when you see him in there like all arms and legs and the technique is so beautiful It's so beautiful the setups when he when you think he's punching he's kicking a fuck out of your calf

These like slowly breaking you down slowly breaking and the the knee that fuc...

Man, you go back to his fight with Gary

“You know and you look at you know Gary was doing great. You need that last round. Yeah”

You know he's came back on it and you look and you go if this in five rounds would be a real problem Hello, but it also shows you how fucking good he was very absolutely now that's the whole point That shows how good he is because he has gone against Guys that are a real problem as far as stylistically You know his fight against MVP

Yeah, Gary did it you know fought as smart as you could fight yep and did a a wonderful job in showing hey I'm multi-faceted. I'm not just you know this one style fighter with Prata is when he when he knocked out Leon Edwards I was like oh

I knew he was really elite, but I'm like Leon's so technical and he's so slick like if it's just and Prata's not gonna try to take him down

I'm like this is gonna be a very interesting fight. Yeah, but it wasn't it was it was Kyle's Prata's show He'd put on a fucking show the relaxation the company has to be now up there also too Leon Understand and like I wasn't the champion and I'm not the champion it's hard to get back. He said he said mine said it changed a lot Yeah, it's been hard for Leon ever since he when he lost that that title fight against Muhammad and you look and everything that's happened to him since it's just you know

Confidence is everything. Yeah. Well the shot Brady fight might have been even more oh broodled than that because Sean just Malled them when Sean gets on top of people like what he did the walking buckley was bananas. No, it wasn't I look at that and this is why Sean Brady won against Craig Jones

Okay, now it wasn't advantage as far as went, but he grappled against the real Craig Jones and

Showed that he can stay with knowing that for Joaquin is not a lot of Craig was not allowed to use leg locks You know that right. Yeah, that's that's it. Yeah, that's a big that's like that's like Ernesto Hoost and the only kick-up of the waste You know, it's that's your Rick Rufus. That's a smart idea Yeah, you know, I'm saying it's like that

Craig Jones like you gotta give him a good game. You can't have him thinking oh, I can't do this. Yeah, that's true You take a 50% of his tracks But it but Sean is on the ground is a really good elite, but it was just the ability to hold him down was just shocking I mean, he's like caught it and then when he was mounting him it just like he was doing drills It wasn't it was just like staying calm and just bang bang back

It was like he was doing conditioning drills on a heavy bag like he was just sitting on a heavy bag Pounding on the bad times what he was bro, so nuts. I said this maybe I caught some flag for it a little bit

“But I said like look I think the Ian Gary fight and the proctest fight for Islam both those fights”

I'm not saying they're easy fights because they're not but you put you put someone like a Sean Brady against Islam And that becomes a little bit more different a little bit more different But that's match up Stiles make that style make matchups and they make really do when you look at someone style comparatively

It can one person is easy for someone who are they're very difficult for someone else If you're gonna put someone against Islam as far as It's gonna be on the ground with them and give him difficult times. There's not a big enough There's not a big enough sample size for me with Michael Morales I think Michael Morales could be a big threat on the feet

People are gonna say well, he beat Sean Brady. So obviously stop them. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but the size

“I think of Michael Morales will give Islam some problems as well”

And Michael Morales can put him wrestle yeah, it's not like he's an Ecuadorian national champ, but think is what he was and then you know He's obviously got power I think it's a breath Doesn't do the normal wrestling. No his take those are different. Yeah, a lot of a lot of footsweeps A lot of judo a lot of difference in the way he does things and world championship experience. Yes, and also the years of training would could be

Yeah, what he does so well is he does it off a transition as soon as you punch You guys anywhere inside the clinch. He's already hitting the foot sweep into the inside trip can't get it Cal hit drop on down on a single or double. No, I'm excited about it. One seven. He's Amosov. Oh, dude. That Ukrainian cat Oh, we know we know we don't have a question. We look he's good. He is Absolutely the real deal. Yeah, he is good everywhere everywhere and his his look his wrestling and his grappling ability his submission ability

Is at the top of the if it's right there was Sean Brady no, no, no, it is it is I just there's one guy out there though And he was just talking about him. He's the one guy that he lost who's not signed by the UFC and that's Jason Jackson He's the one guy to beat him. I'd love to see Jason Jackson in the UFC. Where's Jason now? He just fought an MVP one one I'm like 22 seconds 22 seconds. I had 22 seconds. I had 22 seconds and 17. It was very difficult. I was exhausted But he's the only one. He's the only guy to beat. You're all a soft family. Yes. Wow. He's fantastic on the feet. He has a wrestling background

But he chooses to stand. He's got like 30 jobs a coconut stand He works. He works. He works. He's a working man. He's a working man. But he's very talented. I love watching that guy fight

I think he him you add him against a practice or get to Ian Gary.

But it's interesting when there's guys that are at that level that aren't known Yeah, and it was a former champion. Jason's been there. He was, you know, you got to figure he was in the UFC as far as the Ultimate fighter when they did that whole Black Zillions versus ATT. Oh, that's right. He was part of that. That's right

You know, and he's just always been on the cusp of being brought back in and then not and you're looking you go

“He's got all the talent in the world and he's tough as hell. Yeah, he has talent. So who is that cap that heavyweight that just knocked out and for error?”

And oh, that's a Sergey Billist, you know, and he's one of Fedor's boys, right? It's he is better. Yeah, feels now. Yeah, that dude. Yeah The Palestinian he's do that dude is yoked And he's fast and he's got power, but then you also got in that conf. Nemcoff said heavyweight. Yeah, but for deem Nemcoff He's another guy that's on the top of the heat, but not in the UFC. But deem Nemcoff is good

And man, he is extremely athletic. He's not going to he's not a big heavyweight. It's got great lateral movement He's really good with his hands. A beautiful kick. Yeah, he was a two or five. Yeah, he can't rest for you now Yeah, he can rest for you. He chooses to stand but he'll mix up the rustling and kind of get you get your guess in And he's another Fedor guy. He's another Fedor guy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's another one like we training under could be

“I mean, if you're a Russian guy training on a Fedor like good lord. Yeah. What a what a what a crazy opportunity”

Yeah, but you got a living stario school. Do you really that's where they live boy. Oh, yeah, they're no parties there Better of snow tires. Oh, yes, you better Clothing No tires and hate comfort. Oh my god, you're sleeping on a futon bitch Yeah, there's a lot of talented guys that will come out of other promotions, but I just so I'd love to see Jason Jackson and then they're mixing it up with those

I'm just stylistically the matchups are there and the protest and Gary and the one celebrities right now and you putting Yars like when the UFC finally signed him I said thank God

Thank God, you know, yeah, he deserves to be there and they need you know that kind of and look he's gone in and proven You know, his fighting is Joel Alvarez and Joel Alvarez is a good fighter. I mean he made him look Absolutely like the guy didn't know hardly anything. Yeah, watch the yesterday. I watched it again. I mean you just

“Why the the last takedown, you know the when he when he airboarded them all my god”

And you look at me and but look at the ease that he did it. Yep. That's the thing It's a spectacular technique. Oh my god. And tightness of his grappling see and his his training partner is Johnny Eblon same guy there's training partner now for Sean Strickley and Johnny those guys go after each other daily and Johnny will tell you He's the one that gives one of the most fits inside the gym the one that I spar with the most the one that just gives me all the fits on the Grappling the wrestling all those things go back to his his fights to in the past when he fought at Ruth. He hip-tossed

Oh my god. Get through down three times. That's a nice tip out of Penn State. I mean he was having success against him It was a very close fight. You know, and he ended up winning the fight, but it was one of those fights. You're like Danny walked away going It's got him wrestle. It's got him stand. He's got these chasing submissions. He's trying to get finishes I mean, he had takedowns against Logan's story the six times state champ out of Forte time. Yeah, Minnesota and in Forte time. I mean, Minnesota Minnesota Minnesota, just phenomenal phenomenal

Restorably he's able to have exchanges with these guys chasing Anaconda's darses, knee bars, everything extremely talent. There's a lot of guys that I would love to see to kind of mix in because every time Because when you look at the history of the sport, you got like strike force when it came into to the UFC Those were the best fights, and you start pulling plucking. I'm not saying that a lot of these guys need to come in right now But if you can pluck one or two guys for each of these tricks, it's interesting because it's interesting this whole thing up

Because for a little bit before the paramount deal happened You know, because I cover the I cover every fight every week, right? And we talk about it on the pod. It's just simply put Everyone's like, man, these fights are trash or gore, but you're just and I'm like guys are being complainers like this the cards are great You guys are just they're used to that that the next level of like the the conners in the outskirts

Yeah, on every part just technique and just fighting a bill and there's some amazing fights out there

But when you add in someone like when Michael Chandler came in there was a lot of hype around it when Patricia came in and and Aaron Pico and they came in. There's a lot of hype around it It kind of puts a little shot in the arm of the way class and gets everyone amped up the fighters that are there the UFC They're like this guy fucking beat me. I'm not letting this button. That's good promotion beat me and the fighters that are coming in Like, no, I'm here to shoot. I'm here to prove that I deserve to be here

So it kind of it gets the fans amped up. It gets the promotion amped up and the divisions kind of it's a little bit of a spark So I'd love to see that happen a little bit more. Absolutely. Absolutely. You know the Pico thing is really interesting It's like his last fight. He looks so tight against pit bull. Yeah, he looks so good everything looks so smooth

His boxing was flowing his transitions to grappling his flowing fought in

Tallergently like that's the Pico that we needed to see yeah, but you take a look at his first fight against the wrong

And I always said that was that was a Pico that was pressing yeah

He was pressing that fight and making you know look at taking chances Obviously. Absolutely. It's coming and you're looking you go This is the difference between you know that first fight in the UFC and wanting to do so well and wanting to prove how good you are And then finally relaxing and just hey let the fight come to me Let me show what I can do and taking those moments when you get them

“That's what he did in his fight against Patricio and look Patricio is good and and Pico”

Pico could be so good. He just has to Relax still y'all fighting. Oh, yeah, he's had a bunch of pretty bad. Yeah, so he has the Borax one and that's a problem

Yeah, yeah, the boards. Yeah, the one against Frick and Coralus. Yeah. Oh, yeah, he hurt Coralus and then he got you know

Starched he's had a couple of him. Yeah, there's fights. He was winning. Yeah, that's the thing is he was winning But he's being beat in Borax and he was beaten Coralus the fight said he lost him So hyper aggressive. Yeah, yeah, that's part of the problem, but it's because he's so fucking good He's got the best left hook to the body since Paul Bailey. Oh, so smooth Oh my god, it's beautiful. I mean his just his left foot period. It's like such a whip the technique is so smooth. Yep. It's so nice

So I got to ask you about the Joe Shilling fight because there was it was such a weird stopage We're Joe just decided that's it. I'm quitting. Yeah, so it's opponent headbutt some yeah, and then Mike Beltron is great referee Takes a point away. You did take a point and then put some right back in the same position. Okay, stop it That's not exactly what happened in the end. It's not no. Well, it is what happened. Yes, you're right But when when you have a situation like that, you have the headbutt Mike Beltron calls a stop calls timeout

Right gets him up off of their feet and tries to put Joe at Joe's pissed and I understand why Joe's pissed

You know, he said hey, you know, first off Joe's 42 years of age

He doesn't come there to be fouled. He's trying to you know, he's gonna fight okay You know, and the whole thing is look at the look where his hands are they're overhooked right now Okay, the other guy's got his hands on the ground. Right. Okay, so you know you don't want your hands on the ground Okay, so Joe's in a decent part to at least if he wants to defend himself So when he gets up he's pissed off and everything and then

“Beltron takes a point from the opponent and ask Joe do you want to be?”

You want to stand up or do you want to back on the ground and Joe picked? I want to be back on the ground Okay, why do you give your why do you why you allow it to make a decision you're allowed to make a decision because you were the one that was Found in a normal situation. He said I want to be back on the ground We said I want to be back on the ground. That seems crazy. I agree with you It's not what you would expect out of Joe's chilling. Well, class world change kick box. Exactly. Yeah, and so

With that you got to you know, he's the one felt if the person on top is the one fouling normally We're gonna say they're gonna lose their position But there are many grapplers and people that have a hard time getting that person down and so we we went back to saying All right, we're gonna give the person who was fouled the opportunity to make a decision Normally we're gonna put it back on the feet

“But if you want to put it back on the ground, I'll put it back there”

But you're gonna be in the same position as you were when the fall occurred right and that's what Mike Beltran went to do and so he puts starts to put him back You have Abaina is the opponent and he starts to put his hands on Joe's biceps If you watch when they start to when they put him back on the ground Joe tries to do the overhook you saw the overhook and Abaina starts to put his hand on the biceps He did it on the left bicep right. Yeah, and so it's not a matter of

You know Beltran wasn't there to start to fight yet. He's got to put him in that position, but Joe Once that bicep thing started to happen he got mad and he said I'm done. I'm you know stop the fight You can't make somebody fight you know someone says I you know I want out of the fight they're out of the fight So Beltran was in a position where he says he wants out of the fight He's he started to fall me and he's that's what he said and now he's feels like he's not gonna be put back in that same position

But he hadn't been it's not like Beltran started it He's trying to put him back in the same position when Joe's kind of just losing his losing his steam and getting pissed off And so you know I'm looking to say look if you're gonna be that pissed off It's a good thing you're not fighting because you don't fight smart and you're gonna end up getting hurt But he's the one that decided that

So he has he clearly has two overhooks out the end of the fight at the time of the foul he's got an overhook Both sides yep well sort of the right one's not totally but it's just holding the back of the tricep so you're gonna say okay So that's where he's at look where the opponents are at

Opponents hands are under his shoulders.

But he never gave Beltran the actual ability and time

To say no no put your hand here and you can see Beltran starts to You know as a bayonet starts to try to put his hands on the biceps Start to put him under some underneath so it's not to go back to the ground. Uh, you know, that's the real question And you know, all I know is at 42 years of age, you know, you're looking and saying Joe Shilling can fight you know Joe Shilling is he was a gangster no doubt about it and

He at this point is you know Is he looking to you know become a champion? No, he's not looking to be a champion

“So I'm taking the fight for what reason for money and so I think he just looked at him and based upon”

Well, this is not what I expected. I expected a fair fight. I expected us to you know fight like professionals And this dipshit is now a head buddy me. He just got pissed and he lost his cool with it and when he wasn't Being put back right away into that same position where he thought the guy is now trying to up again take another advantage Right, it just sent him off the end and he said I'm I'm done. Right. He just got too emotional. You got too emotional That's a bomber. Yeah, it is because Joe's a great guy when you fought up the level he's fought at you expect this certain level

Professional is yep, and when you have these young guys that come in there's no there's feels a little disrespectful like you knew where you were at Why are you trying to game all so random just head button? Yeah, yeah, which is great. Oh There's a lot of people saying well, you know, I don't think it really hit him. It hit him in the jaw Okay, it didn't hit him head to head and you're not allowed to use your head as a striking instrument It's a foul and it's pretty clear that he was trying to do that. Yes. It wasn't as simple as positioning his head

No, try to get a better look we say you can use your head as a steering instrument as a third arm

You can press with it. You can do a lot of uncomfortable things with it

“You cannot pick it up and bring it back to strike and it was clear that that's what exactly what you did”

I think it just very awkward for a lot of people that see Joe showing in his past fights He's been through it all and then for him to get super frustrated this way It was a lot of people a question. I'm like I don't question at all because you expect like you said a certain level of professionals I'm like we know that we're both going out there to fight and knock each other out. Why do you got a cheat there's there's a certain there's a certain set of rules That we're doing this under right and now you're taking those rules and just tossing them to the side like you know

This doesn't mean something. No, it means something to me You know I'm 42 years of age and I don't expect someone to be fouling me just on purpose and then look the whole no matter what That was you know right now we use intent Okay, that was intentional right he did something I call it malicious. It's a malicious attack on him You're you're maliciously trying to inflict an injury on someone through a foul

Yeah, yeah, no doubt. Did you watch the MVP fights? Yes, what was your take away on that? The overall card as well as the Gina and you know and Ron to fight. I mean look

When you're coming in is your first time putting on a promotion. There's no way it's all gonna be smooth. It's not possible

You know, it's just there's no way you you're also you're not dealing with the same caliber of names other than Gina and Rhonda and Francis, you know the Mike Perry Nate Diaz fight was Was last time Nate fought MMA It's been a while probably six year while It's a year around which is kind of crazy. Yeah, right and Mike has been fighting bare-knuckle and

Fucking people up for quite a while You know, he's an animal. Yeah, he's he's got a bit of a sport though 22 so four years four years four years four years ago. He beat Tony Ferguson, but he's found his way. This is style

“Basically his the best thing he could do for his careers fight bare-knuckle fight boxing. This is the best thing for him”

Am I in Mike is like uniquely talented at bare-knuckle. Oh, like uniquely. He's made look at I'll be on it I used him as my my demonstrator for Andy Foster is the executive officer in California and he didn't like bare-knuckle You know, I wrote the rules for bare-knuckle long ago

Dave Feldman came to me and said hey, you know, and the I need rules written for me I'm trying to legalize this You know someone someone that I knew hooked him up with me and I said look I'll write your rules and go and I gave him two prices And I said I'm not doing it for free. It's too much of a pain in the ass

So here's my two prices my one price is you don't say who wrote him and you just use him And the other price is you say who wrote and I was because I knew I was going to get in trouble for Doing this and and and you know, what does John McCarthy think he's doing now. He's right in rule for that. Did you write the rules for slap fights? No, I don't like the advice But so you can't defend yourself

So You know, have you seen the other when they just run at each other? Oh, it's your worst. They're like oh, my beard. Yeah, you think slap fights were turning on my beer We're just gonna run at each other. That's what it's called run it

Right, those things are crazy, but the whole thing with you know, the Mike Pe...

Trying to get athletic commissions to start to understand because they're all into this thing Joe

“It's like you take a look at MMA. I'm allowed to hit you with a shin to the dome like you talked about”

You know, I'm allowed to take my knee and hit it to your dome I'm allowed to take my elbow and smash you You know, even when your heads against the ground. I'm allowed to do all these things But my bare fist is the big problem It's ridiculous but it's perception and perception is it's a real problem because people believe what they're saying

Oh, it's horrible So, you know, Andy Foster was one of the ones that he I don't he didn't like it and I said Andy as you know I tried saying though it's go through those whole things with the shin the knee the elbow and he goes yeah

I know he's I just don't I don't like it. I said Annie

I need you to look at it this way that I go there are people out there that are made for boxing Floyd Mayweather Terrence Crawford can let o Alvarez their mate to be a boxer they have all this technical skill You know what they're just unbelievable. I said there's these guys same thing in MMA There's the George St. Pierre's you know, you got the Alexander Volcanoski's you got the all these people You know that are you know Islam market shift was last one use I said they're made for MMA

I go Mike Perry Was an MMA fighter. I said he's not made for MMA. He's a tough guy I go but bear knuckle he was made for I said and this is a guy who can make a living Fighting for bear knuckle he can pay his bills he can support his family Fighting bear knuckle and become a star said yeah said and possibly get you know

Sponsors and everything they're gonna make it so you can live the rest of his life I said and you're gonna say that you want to take that away

“Because of a bear fist I go it just doesn't make sense to me. He looks and he goes you're right the best thing”

It could happen to him was him leaving like the him being released when you see yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely You've got to all the time you ring Any foster y'all yeah Put on speak of a I don't want to put Andy under spotlight that you know and and he's done such a great

He's right and he does things that people don't realize You know, they're he's now got a license plate that's out for retired fighters to try to get them a retirement He's got he's got a retirement for boxers already that was set He's been doing things to try to get a retirement fund for you know a Josh Thompson who fought 15 times in California 19 had looked it up. There's a 19. Okay. I'm wrong

19 times in California He can get an actual retirement now. It's not gonna be a retirement that he gets paid every month They'll give him a large sum of money that he can then go. He can go to a trade school. He can go to He could buy a house. He can do these things as a down payment Andy just put in a thing it just got turned down because of a staffer

It was assembly bill 2130 in California and that assembly bill was No money out of the taxpayers money Zero taxpayer money. It's about sponsorship a dumbass like me as a referee has to wear a sponsors thing on my shirt That will then 75% of it went to retired fighters

25% of it went to training for Upcoming and in service officials both judges and referees. What's the negative? There is no negative But you get these people in politics that sit there and go oh, I don't like this

“There you want to know what they're they're negative. I think California about this in California”

California is the best state for decisions That you But they're whole thing was as we both live in taxes now Think about this we all Yes, yeah, well, but their whole thing was well that would allow the sponsor to say that they're basically part of California

And they're running they're doing things for California. It's like they are doing things for California They're helping the people that fucking put on fucking entertaining fights and things for people here It's ridiculous. There was nothing good. There's some great people in California. There are sure you know and there's some great assembly people I you know, I just did a whole thing for you know Heath Flora who's an assemblyman there and he's putting up a bill about You being able to if you protect somebody other than yourself and

From somebody that's trying to do something he's trying to make it to where they can't civily go after you make sense Yeah, you're doing the right thing, but no, there's people fighting against it It's just oh politics politics sucks

They suck in California. Yeah, my dad always just say think about the word politics

Paulie meaning many ticks blood sucking little inside It's a bummer. Yeah, it's crazy and then uh, did you did you see the co-chorus returning to MMA?

I did

Give me give me I'm here too. I like sky like that a lot, but good luck

60 million dollars yeah, when I saw it was only 60 million dollars

I was like that sounds like a lot of money until you think about putting on an MMA promotion and it's hard and then Getting television production and then you know paying fighters and then securing venues and then having staff full time for like Maybe you know you got Tony Hawk with you. Maybe. Yeah, I mean me look. I'm rooting for him I think he did great when he was running glory as well as when he was running bell tour back today He's a really nice guy. Yeah, I think it's great for everybody if there's more competition

I think this whole MVP thing in the Netflix thing is great. It stirred a bunch of cash into the organization A bunch of people got more money than they would have ever gotten anywhere else. Awesome. I'm More options the better. Yeah, I think just you know, I hope he could do it. Yeah I think a lot of people do because I think is as they do grow promotions, right? The fighters get more experience on a high-level competition Need to fight fighters from all around the world. I'm just excited for more promotions to be involved

Yeah more promotions is good more options is good more money is what we really want the fighters need to get more money

It's it's always going to be the UFC here. Yeah, you know and ultimately it just comes out like you need more people to build up to get to that level

I'm a good XFL game that you watched Yeah, it's true while the wrong But it's the whole thing in the end of your part of it. You know what you did with USC and how you made it exciting for people when you were calling fights So you know it's a people now a lot of them they don't even know the fighters that are on the card But they'll they'll turn it on when it says UFC because they believe in the product

“Yeah, right and that's that's what you're supposed to do as the company and you know and and for marketing”

But the one problem I do think they have right now is they're unable to market people like they did when you know You and I were early in it and stuff You know they now are in a position every week and so it's tough to market You know those the guys who are not well known if you're not fight nights a lot of times the casuals have no idea There's you in a fight in a Zach yeah, and some of them are fucking

Some of the best show that's part we talk about all the time. It's like you know the the card itself rates If you're looking at it honestly it rates of five on the five point five on the paper and then you'll watch it It's a nine point five. Yeah, yeah, they're working to get to the top. That's yeah Those are the whole thing something to prove. Yeah, and for hardcore fans. It's like giving them constant food Yeah

But it's given that dope The thing when you look at it. It's the hardcore fan that the UFC has But the casual ones the one that puts it over yeah, and it's hard to get people to understand

“You need to get the casuals the ones that don't watch fights all the time and that's the one thing”

I'll give you know, I'll give Ron to Rousey man. I thought she did an amazing job of talking 100% putting you know things out there the way she did she made she got people's attention She did what was her job. Yeah, and they know 17 million people are watching that's right. That's huge It's all good for everybody. It's good for the sport. It's great for the sport. It's like that's what we need. We need more competition More more eyeballs on it and unfortunately for the cat. You know the people that are casuals it has to be a name

You know, it has to like this kind of a gregar fight and July is going to be fucking bananas It's going to be bananas. I mean people are going to go crazy for the return of Connor McGregor Yeah, there's a giant personality, but don't expect the same How could this can? He hasn't fought in five years, right? Exactly. It's been five and that's but that's the problem It might be more because they're going to tell me something over. I think it is a little over five it's almost six

I think it might be six at the time of the fight. It might be five. I think it's five right now. Do Are we expecting to see a Connor that look like Nate this last fight? Are we expecting to see a better Connor than some of that look like Nick? Because they did not look good Mike Perry did and yeah, yeah, what a fucking murder. You know, I mean like Mike Perry is a murder And this is such a sound. You take a look at that when you're taking an older fighter

Which Nate is now and you're only one your five fucking years ago July so it literally will be six years But when you're going to be five years five years when you're taking a younger fighter and putting them against the old dog It normally doesn't end well for the old dog Well, the thing is about Max Holley's like Max Holley is he's not that much younger Then no honor. He's not but the thing is Max has been in constant high-level competition

The entire time won the BMF fight, you know beat dust in like constant high-level competition

“That's right. It's a different thing and I honestly believe him at 155 is the best thing for him”

Absolutely, but he's not 155 in this fight. This is one of seven Honestly, he may be a bad man. He might have been a bad guy cutting it off. Just no way could just kind of walk around

And also knowing this is such a high profile fight. He's gonna in Max is always in his same shape

But in particularly in this fight, he's gonna be in fucking insane shape and his last fight he took almost no damage

He got taken down control back taken and there was not a lot of damage.

Well, you know I was living like a mother. Oh, he's so good. He's so good. He's so good. Good everywhere, too And on the ground. He's just so god. Yeah, I'm dangerous and it which is makes you think how good is his long This is what I'm just smooshed him. I can tell you. He's really good It's kind of crazy though when you think about how strong Charles's grappling is and now is what I'm just Yeah, he called it

He called it. He said he goes he goes his love is gonna submit Charles and it and he goes and he's gonna submit it with a head on our truck And I was a Kimora. I would I would another one for sure. I go shut up. Yeah, okay. Just shut up He's not gonna do that. I said he would do it before three rounds. He did it. You know obviously very quick, but it was His grappling is just other worldly and just like he secures that dars by grabbing the forearm I've seen a lot of guys try that now a lot of guys are going to that now because you don't have to get his deep

He just go through and it's right at the top and then cover cover the chest with your cover the head with your chest and just suck it in

You see people doing things all you know we always talk about you know

Back a long time ago figure for in the body. We go don't do that they stepped the foot inside It's gonna crank shit. It's bad. How about that? They just just had the girl do it

“Gettin that AJ McKee does oh the McKee a team. Yeah, yeah, well that fucking thing like how come no one's doing that?”

That's the whole thing look okay. Look at what he style when he did that. I was like wait yeah, his body style He's so long long to reach him because they won 45 minutes huge for 145. Yeah, yeah, he's a big boy But the grad Dawson just did the genie choke. Okay How many times you've seen that done in competition, but I've seen it in the the grappling room all the time Right guys doing it right and also and people are like never seeing that. It's like

It's been around forever. Well, it's like when we talked about Edson Barbosa knocking out Terry at him

How do we get to that fight before that was the first wheel kick KO? Yeah, we've seen a ton of them since then

But that was the first one like that doesn't even make sense when Anderson Silva front kick vetoing the face Or like wait hold on you could do that. Yeah, like I remember Eddie and I have an conversation about kicks And he goes what do you think about front kicks of the face? Oh, it doesn't really land that often And then but she did does it to Randy and the cheated does it to the tour. Oh my god So the tour has been on the receiving end of twice on that kick. Yeah, man. I mean there's been a bunch of them now

Now you see a lot of front kicks of the face because it's such an unexpected thing Especially if you guys you know you're getting hit to the body with it a bunch and you get used to doing this and then That dog hits you right on the chin. It's just such a such an unexpected technique every time We think that we're not gonna see something new something new but the crazy thing about front kicks is it's literally the first thing you ever get taught Yeah, when you learn how to kick that's the first thing you ever get taught the idea of their being a new use for the first thing

You ever learn. Yeah, it's kind of crazy a little snack kicked. Yeah. That's not I mean karate like that's for day one Just like that That's what it looks like doing Well goofy and shit the fact that that's the the kick that and then calf kicks of course like that's no one You know, it's interesting because Cup Swanson is actually saying that he was over the first kind of throw calf kicks

He was saying like gonna go back to like 2011. I was Lynn calf kicks. I forget who he thought they said he fucked somebody up with a calf kick Well, then I'll tell you before that was no That's when it was one of the early ones for George Moss would all we know. Yes. He was doing a strike force in 2007

“Yeah, well I believe around that if you look at”

ATT is a team They do calf kicks all the time that is a huge weapon that they use you go back and watch Mazda all when he fought KJ noons and how he just destroyed KJ noons and he was kept kicking them the calf to the head kick Body shots to the box and he just people got out. Good. Mazda. He says he knocked out even words

Head kick like people really sleep on Mazda is but always slick. He was so good. I mean knocked out cowboy

Oh, when he knocked out darantill that was a weight class above what he normally fought up. Yep, you know He's he was one of those but he was better when he went up just like most guys are But he never got the credit deserve everywhere. He went whether it was strike force into the UFC He never got credit until he started doing things that people didn't think he could do You know when he knocked out like he said darantill they're running across the cage with Ben asked him like those kind of things

He had no love up until those moments Like I was always nasty always yeah all the way back to his Street fighting days with Kimbone right. That's a good one. Yeah, that's I have the someone that she this because I look at these guys now What is it with the younger fighters that can't get past the old dogs like Dustin doesn't have to retire

“Justin Gaiti doesn't have to retire. There's still ranked number two and number three. What do you seen on your side?”

That makes you think like

These these young guys these old guys they're not going softly into the night

They're not letting these guys come by why kept the younger guys get past them Well, I mean, I'll be in past Justin like that. He was not at Justin's level with stand up. No, Justin's level was like quite a bit

First of all Justin is an elite grappler

So like what is patty going to do is you're gonna take them down. That's not that that's not picnic and standing up with Justin Justin has like some of the nastiest fucking leg kicks in the sport and we use them more. I know right Remember when he used to throw him from the clinch yeah, but he's in tight with you and he's kicking down on your legs Like and you're like how are you moving your hips like that? He was an animal. He still is an animal It's like he's not he hasn't faded

You know Justin's not faded that physique fight a physique is an elite world class striker and he beat him up standing Yeah, he hasn't faded

“Justin hasn't faded he's just 36 or whatever he is 37. I think he's losing but”

You gotta have a passion for the sport and and I think Dana's you know says all you look it

We've been on 100% in right don't do this any and he's right and I think there comes that point where it just gets to that

You know what there's there's other things out in the world and I want to start doing things Do you think Justin's at that spot right now? I'm not too sure he's at the spot But I think he's thought about it based upon some of the performances and and the tight fights he's had I think that I think the fight with Max Holloway made him Kind of think about he had that was a tough fight for him all the way through all the way through all the way through

I think he lives a comfortable life. I think that there's a good life he enjoys playing golf with the boy. Yeah, you know he he's He's another guy. I know he's like oh, I spent I spent money. I need to make more money in this than that But he also to me every time I take a look in when people talk about him I think that he's done pretty he's done really well from self. I think he's doing well for himself I don't think he's in any danger where he's losing the passion of it

Well, I did I did the the naked gun or whatever the second edition of the naked one with Liam Neeson and it had We had Camaro Uzman and Justin Gaci were two of the fighters in it, right? And he was hysterical throughout the whole thing, right? And he's such a button pusher with Camaro, you know, you know, come on. It's okay. Let's go easy and also and you know Justin's doing something crazy And for and Camaro's like what the hell is wrong with you?

And he loves life. He enjoys life. Yeah, and I think that you know there comes a point where

He always had that attitude, you know when he was undefeated. He goes on someone's going to knock me out

He's honest about things and I love that about him that he doesn't sit there and he doesn't play the, you know Oh, well, we'll see and so he's honest and he tells you you know what You know, this may be my last one and he's thought about it and if he's thought about it It's telling you it's a thought process is there how far will it go if he has a great performance against Illya I think he'll stick around

Me being unfortunately I kind of think I'd rather see him go away. I know that saying because I love watching

“I would love to see him win and go without that's the whole point. That's what I said that would be nice”

It would be all wins a title at the fucking end. And that says that's it. I hit my bucket list. The White House thing is odd I don't like it. I don't like the idea of fighting outside at all. There's problems with it And then June and it's DC and we looked it up the last time like last year same day was a hundred degrees Yeah, what is yeah hot as fun you out the lights? Oh, yeah, the lights. Yeah, the trucks bugs how about dehydration? Oh, yeah, yeah, the bugs are a big one go back to go back to UFC yeah with all those lights

Yeah, we're back to UFC 3. See how hot it was how are they gonna fucking do anything about the bugs because I know that Dana was talking about that recently They were talking about maybe using fans. Is that enough? No, it's not enough. Yeah, bugs strips everywhere What are you gonna do like how are you gonna stop the bugs? There's a lot of bugs. It's pretty much all you pass to side this That's good. That's good for the fight That'll that'll help with the breathing

I just don't think that you should compete in a world championship fight in a non-controlled environment Yeah, I think it should be inside an air condition arena. It should be a controlled environment just like Every like you don't ask someone to do any you wouldn't ask them to play a world championship basketball game outside in the sun

“That'd be crazy. Yeah, right? You have to you play in a fucking air condition arena. That's how it should be”

Yeah, I agree with you, but yeah, I understand the whole thing It's special listen, but it's gonna be a pain in the butt a fucking roof Yeah, build a roof like you've got all the money in the world, right? You do in this you want to do this Oh my buddy for it 4,000 seats you build a 4,000 seat arena. How big is it get a fucking bar in dominium? Put it in there. You know like we did UFC's

The troops yeah, we didn't when the troops were doing it in hangers. Yeah, we did, but yeah, they want that white house in the background Put it in the background on TV. He gives a fuck It's just like when world class fighters are competing. I don't think they should have to compete outside They're already there. I put it in there. I guess if someone loses a fight

Because it's too hot out.

Like the dehydrated fighters that are now being forced 24 hours later to fight

In 100 degree heat outside under the spotlight go back. I swear to God UFC 3 was in North Carolina And it was the hottest thing I've ever been in in my world. It was outside. You know it wasn't it was inside with No air conditioning really inside they put there was it was a 3,500 seat arena They put 6,000 people into it. It was under the lights had to be 150 degrees Okay, it was it was all everyone falling out. Hoys had the problem after chemo and stuff

You know They all pulled out and stuff It was

“Joe it was the hottest thing I've ever been in in my life. That was brutal. You have to ask yourself as a fighter though is the spectacle worth my career”

Right like if is it worth me going out there and fighting In in the in these circumstances that I'm not used to well we did one outside at Abu Dhabi that was when BJ pen and Franky every other yeah, and then Did be in Madison still I just didn't mind and that one bro. They were a bunch flying around look like birds They were so big. I was like that's a bug. What kind of bug is that connect kill me? Oh, yeah

This is crazy. You fucking desert man Giant as but yeah, yeah, they cheer your microphones up. It sounds like a helicopter coming by your outside It's hot you're in the desert. This is crazy like why are we fighting outside? No, because I think I had read Some where we're a beaver said no, I prefer Islam not take a fight there at the White House. There's too many distractions You got all the media you got them that whole week plus it's outside these are all things that your fighter is not used to doing

Why would I jeopardize his win streak his second title? Why would I jeopardize all of that?

“Yeah, like see everything so so we could find the White House. I know it seems great. Yeah, I was I thought there but at the end of the day”

You got to look at it. I worked so hard to get here. I don't want to lose it over this one thing I just feel like you could put a roof over it I mean, you got all this money you're making a ballroom make a little to do it just on a regular basis I mean, are they finishing the ballroom or are we gonna get that make you own make your own apex Better boon come on. Make a fucking bar in dominium. How hard is that? I'm so hard trusty

I just finished won oh my god, you're one guy. Oh my god. Exactly. Get a fucking team Like a state civil engineers get the fucking army to do it So you're gonna be at that one? Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna be there allegedly Allegedly if there's not a bomb it goes up between now and then we're fucking knows this world is crazy I love what you did with the eye-behaving with a man. Thank you. Way to go

Well, what was the process on that how long does that take? Oh, I don't care what the process was way to go Thank you the process was me texting trump I'm not both too long. There was a lot of luck. I texted him on Friday. Yeah. He showed up to the UFC on Saturday shook my hand and said it's done You're kidding. Oh, no, I'm not gonna get all no I texted him. He texted me back. Are you looking for FDA approval sounds good to me?

I tell him how effective it is it helping all these veterans with PTSD people with traumatic brain injuries all these different things People I mean we have a problem with fentanyl in this country. This is one of the best things that we've ever Yeah, I'm like listen. There's so many people that

“Rist their life for this country they come back and there's no help and this is the only thing that's they've found help it”

Yeah, and it's illegal and that doesn't make any sense you should have to go to Mexico to get treatment for something that you got Because you were defending your country that's nuts and so he right away was like look It makes sense to me like he cut through all the bullshit It was common sense and there was a bunch of people that were trying to get in the way of it Of orange people. I mean inside the White House people that were trying to get and he's like fuck you fuck you

Yeah, and he like was telling them just do it making happen and he made it happen and that's Amazing for everybody. Yeah. No, it was amazing that you know what you stepped up because you are gonna be helping so many people I don't think people don't have an idea of how bad it is and what that can do for him So I think way to God. I was like

See I always said you always you always talking about your dummy. I'm a dummy

I always tell people it's a he's super intelligent and you are because you got that done Well, I never asked him for anything else I've never asked him for anything never maybe signing pin or something Give me those I've got a bunch of stuff. I've got a pen. I got a bunch of things But I was like if there's anything that I would really

Ask him for that is it's bipartisan supported like Democrats supported Republican supported 85% of the country supports Yeah, especially when he comes to things like I begin which is not even remotely recreational no I haven't done people sick everybody's done. It says horrible you get diarrhea But it's 24 hours of misery, but when it's over you're a new person good and and look I'm Rick Perry god bless him because if it wasn't for him getting behind it that changed everybody's opinion

Here you have this Republican former governor of Texas who's talking about it and then talking about his own personal experience is doing it

You know, so him and Brian hover I mean they they they really went all out an...

Not once but twice to talk about this and the state of it where it's being passed in Texas

“They got a hundred million dollars from Ken Paxton so which is yeah, no was it Ken Paxton? No no who who is it corn?”

Corn damn Patrick sorry damn Patrick so Dan Patrick who approved this Hundred million dollars for this I began initiative like these people all deserve praise This is like there's a lot of people that for the longest time the thought of psychedelics is being something that losers do And they realize like no there's a lot of people that need help and this can help every good side with all Just I was just in San Diego last Monday and then I was in LA on Tuesday and it's unrecognizable

It's crazy Like and and when you take a look at San Diego

It's always been beautiful beaches in the background and but it was worse than LA

I was in the Burbank area and actually it was a lot nicer than San Diego was and the gas light district was just disgusting What is it a gas lamp? Yeah, it just I couldn't believe it I walked into a couple restaurants You got homeless people stumbling in trying to order and not trying to take food off of people's plates Whether they're I'm just like what is going on no law enforcement it's going on. It's the first time that I've went back

And I've been back. You know in the last three years of the back two or three times a year easily It's the first time I went back. I was like man This is not this is not what it used to be this is not it was it just felt I felt like it

“I felt like for the first time I didn't feel safe there God and it's weird to me and how do you get that?”

How do you bring it back? Oh, it's simple you bring it back by doing the right things Common sense things taking it, you know Chad Bianco does it Steve Hilton does it like who do you get to turn the state around? You know it's a girl at the drug Katy Porter. She get it. No. She'll scold everybody into compliance But I'm I'm sitting outside. I'm sitting outside having dinner last night and I'm watching a bunch of homeless guys

Talk into themselves and you think and this is the problem I was a police officer for 23 years. Okay. I I've been out there with them and you have people that you know They have serious problems. You know and and I understand you know the ACLU and stuff

They they will always not write to put them no it's better for them and it's better for the people that are out on the street

Just trying to live their lives to have that person be put into a place where they can receive some medication Receive some help and try to get them back then it is to let these people just rocked on the street and Self-destruct and I'm watching and it's like how is that so hard to figure out that it's better to do something with them that it is to just let them be It's crazy. Yeah, it's we've lost our way, you know as a society And I think a great reflection of that is how many homeless people you have camped out on your streets

Yeah, those are the places where they've lost their way the most and this is unfortunately a lot of these Democrats I own a couple of gyms and San Jose and just it was 10 city and Along the highway like lead up to my I'll on the road that lid up to my gym all those things But you would see they would they were stealing solar panels from people's houses and they would put them up on the sidewalk So they could charge their cell phones like they're smart enough to do these things, right?

It's not as if like they're not I think they're just drug addicts. There is a lot of that It and then it's just but in areas like that I mean that could help with that a hundred percent But things like in San Jose or San Francisco, they're given in needles. They're giving them drugs. They're giving them phones It's like why are we doing this? Well, the other problem is the amount of money that's involved in the homeless industry That's right when you find out that California spent 24 billion in homeless and so what are they done? Nothing

Not only that, but the fucking they tried to do an audit on it and the governor vetoed it It's like no nothing. Nothing is going to happen. Why are we talking about that? It's only 24 billion, guys. Well, how much did they spend on that bridge that had the for the mountain lines? Yeah, oh my god. What are we doing? Hey, hey, that's okay. The mountain lines need a fucking bridge. They need hugs. They need a it's

They need they need they need to wake up the and the problem is that they're in this bizarre mindset

This liberal leftist mindset that's just not tenable. It's not you who can't defend it. It's not that's cuz it's great work Yeah, yeah, I always looking this people talk about left and right and most people are I'm I'm in the center I think you know, it's a lot of people It's it's not it's not where but you get labeled as being on the right if you're not an all If you're not all crazy you're to the far right. Yeah, it's nuts. It's absolutely just

“That's why I just saw something that I can't remember who it was, but they continue to talk about you know”

Let's keep taxing the billionaires keep taxing the billionaires and do what with the money? And that's the point that's the thing. So why don't we just not go away why don't we just not tax the people that make under 200,000

That's actually something Jeff Basel's brought up.

Yeah, the the least amount of money don't tax them at all because because they're not contributing that much to the tax base Anyway, and they would contribute more to the economy if it more money. Absolutely. It would help everybody

That's right, but I think he's right. I always said 150,000 down

Yeah, you don't pay taxes. That's a great number. I also thought about it too It's if you were to take if you got rid of the You know because they're trying on this housing shortage and all of the other things why don't we get rid of the Loachish rates, you know, because I have like a couple of interest rates on some houses that I have that are at that 2% How do you get rid of those? Well, you want you just raise my capital gains tax

So I don't got to my wife and I or whatever we can pay like less on that Versus that 500,000 threshold, why don't you make it a million? So then I'll cash out on those and just take my money out and then I'll start putting it back into the economy again like there's all You're talking like a sensible business You can't be doing that in California. You're jail

“You can do it. You should Twitter jail. You do the death tax that you did in New York”

I mean, I'm done. He's trying to do it. Oh, that's not. Oh my god People are just gonna bail out of that city. It's crazy It's easy to be fucking people to think like taxing the rich is the solution and do what with the money? If you were doing a great job with the money and everything was accounted for and there was no fraud and waste I'd be like well, maybe you just need more money, but that's clearly not the case

You've got so much fraud and you're ignoring it and then this Nick surely kid. Oh my god He exposes it. Everybody goes for him. Yeah I'm gonna go out for him. You're like you should be praised. Hey, no give that kid in the ward Give a fucking ward here. I want journalists of the year and he's not a journalist how how much fraud do you think is in this country? Billions billions and billions. I mean you want it said Elon and said when he first came in he goes hey

I think it's close to a trillion dollars maybe a little bit over. He said it was so bad that he didn't want to talk about it too much He's worried they'd kill him

“You know he really don't don't don't it. That's why I'm Joe”

He's not lying. He ain't stupid. No, he's not. He's not anything but

He's anything but but I mean to think though and think how much in California they've discovered or let's just say what 200 billion

at least you know somewhere around there. That's on the low end. New York's probably in Chicago is and then I mean But they've got to do it in all states. You can't just do it in the ones where it's LA and in Chicago and New York We've got to do it in all states. That's gonna be in Texas. It's everywhere. There's everywhere. There's fraud and these people were profiting off of the fraud They were funneling it right back into the parties and it's it's dirty business But you didn't really think that that shovel the government pays for was really fucking nine dollars

I mean there's a lot of that as they get a budget and they have to pay they have to spend all the money every bit of it Yeah, otherwise they won't get the same budget next year Which is wild to me because the schools the schools operate the same way if the teachers don't spend a certain amount of money on these things And they don't get the same budget for next year. No, why don't we reward the people that actually save the money? Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. It makes that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard

It is wrong with you. I want to know when when do you come into my class

“You're you're referee in class. Yeah. When is it when you have it July 17th and 19th he's gone?”

Oh, I'm not even gonna be in the country. Oh, okay But when are you doing one? Where are you doing them? Usually I do them in Vegas at like stream contour or something like that because I need the gym to put people in cages with fighters If I can I definitely will. I would love to see it. I'd love to see it. Is there a location? We could do one there Wait, I don't have that way. You look at any time

You know you have my number text me if you have a question during the fight It's the text like you say the way I get I get them all the time so it's not here This is wrap it up. I get them all the time. So It's nice when you know exactly what the referee can do what where they're gonna go and when you're looking Him like with you know a Mark Godder or a herb Dean what when you know if you go to the club

You'll know exactly. Hey, this is what he can do and this is this is why he'll do it. I'll definitely ask I promise that the very least I'll ask you next time when this shit comes up No problem. I have you on speed that there you go. Maybe I'll put you on speaker phone after you have say hey, everybody big John's right Don't do that

It's it's a one thing that I'm always watching and it's like you know and you guys like I don't know

I don't know like this is the answer. Well, yeah, I'll reach out. I promise. Love you. Thank you brother Love you too. Oh, thank you fun. Let's do it again. Oh, absolutely. So what's gonna be fights talk about Rick and a I live up the streets So let me know anytime. All right, yeah, all right, but I do like it. Bye, buddy

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