Bonus: Office Hours with the Office Ladies

This podcast is not about hacking the system to find more time or hacking your energy

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is exhausting and unsustainable. So here we do things differently. On this show we value contentment, compassion and living in our season. We favor small steps, over big systems, here we are lazy geniuses. Being a genius about the things that matter and lazy about the things that don't.

And I am so glad you're here. You're going to be glad you're here too, because today is a very special bonus episode. I am joined by Jennifer Fisher and Angela Kinsey, the office ladies themselves. Hi my friends. Hi there.

Hey gal. So fun. So this is, we're going to do today one of my favorite things, which is to like, lazy

genius a problem and solve a problem, which we have done before together, the three of us.

Jenna, you're, we lazy genius your school email situation and Kendra, it has changed our lives. My husband and I talk about it all the time, we did exactly what you said, we divided up the kids. Because you know our problem was, you get all these emails, we didn't know which one of

us was reading them, which one of us was taking action and you're like, well, there's two of you and two kids why don't you just divide it and it was like, of course, of course. So we've been doing that and we switch each year now, we, we swap so that, you know, it doesn't become where it's just like, you're doing one kid all the time. So also also, at least the parents and the different grades, you're, you're getting to know

all of that sort of like email relationship with the different parents. Yes, exactly. And it's really cool because I got my son into middle school. I launched him into middle school, which was lots of extra orientations and paperwork and reading and learning new teachers and all of that.

But now this coming year, my husband is going to launch our daughter into middle school. Nice. So it, it's very cool, like the way the trading off has worked. And so yes, thank you. So happy to be here.

I'm like, my husband is so excited by the way, he has an office hours question for you. I can't wait. I'm so happy. I'm like, it's, it's one thing to solve a problem for a short amount of time. And that's okay.

We should be willing and happy when we solve something and it makes life easier for two weeks. But when something sticks for a long time and it just continues to, to get better and you can, like, adjust as you go and it just gets into more of a flow and you start to feel the benefits of something long term.

It's just like, it makes my, it makes my heart so happy. I'm so happy. Oh, man. Okay.

“And until we did your, um, didn't you have like a half 30 clothes all around your bedroom?”

And your bedroom. I thought it was a night. Yeah. Well, it's like, it's like the, the pair jeans you wore like twice. Are they really dirty?

I mean, you know, if you're just kicking around the house. And maybe did Carpool pick up their fine, right. But, but I didn't hang them back up. I just threw them on the chair in the corner and that would pile up. So I do have a basket.

You acknowledge my love of baskets. And so, but I have gone on a little basket crazy, but I have a system that works for me. Jen, I haven't even shared this with you. First of all, one of the things that drives me crazy in our laundry room is this pile

of socks that have no friend, you know, where are their friends? No one knows where they are. Where do they go? There they go. And so, I have a basket now for my friend lists, my socks looking for friends.

And I would say about once a month, I go to that basket and I try to make pairs.

And I always end up making a few pairs.

And I've saved them. I feel so victorious. I'm like, you have your friend back. And then some never get a friend back. And then they finally have to find a new home.

But so I have the sock basket now. And then I have my, I need to put these clothes away basket and then I have one other basket. And they're not like cluttering up. I just, it's a little basket. I put in the corner of the laundry room for the socks.

But I have this basket in my closet in the corner that's anything I need altered or dry cleaned because I'm short and I'll go buy something and everything has to be himed everything I buy. And so sometimes I don't get to it because I don't know where to put it and I'm like, what am I going to go?

“So now I have this little like tote, it's like a basket, but it's like a tote, you know?”

And I just take it once it's full and I put it in my car.

I love it. So wow. That is awesome. Guys. You do it right.

Guys, wait. Well, this was all you. This was like, like, let's just batch some of that stuff and not let it bogged me down. Right. Right.

I call that a later zone.

“Like when you have, when you have a chore or a task, it has several steps, you know?”

But you can't buy, you're not going to buy a pair of pants and go to the tailor that day. Yeah, I'm going to do that. It's great. No.

The rather than like having it hang over you as you find a place where it can live until it's time to move it along. And I think the fact that you wait until your basket is full, you're like using the natural boundaries of the basket to go and now it's time. But until then it's later, it's just going, yeah, until it's full and then I'll go.

It's so good. You guys. And it's a little bit, it's not a huge basket, right? So it's not like in there forever. So I do have a little timeframe because it's not a deep basket.

And I would say to anyone who is like curious about maybe trying this, this basket trick is that if you find that the basket fills up for anything that you're doing fills up faster than you're ready to do the task, make the basket bigger. I was going to take a bigger basket. Just get a bigger basket.

Yeah. Like don't feel bad. I have to do it. No, just get a bigger basket. It's fine.

It's fine. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we're done. Thanks for being here.

That was great. No. I'm so excited. Okay. So you both.

I don't know what you're going to ask.

“But you guys want a lazy genius, this is purely spontaneous for me, which I'm super excited”

about. Okay. Who wants to, who wants to go first? I want you to go first because Angela told me what hers is and I want the answer to Angela's too.

Okay. Okay. All right.

Well, here's the thing, Kendra.

I am a genius at documenting life. I am our family's historian. I take a ton of pictures. I am within my friend group, my tennis ladies or whatever we're doing for the podcast. I'm the one that takes the pictures.

I have a great selfie arm for someone as short as I am. I know lighting. I have good angles, especially if you're, you know, over 50 and want to hide that neck. So anyway, what is happening for me and it has been for a long time and the reason why it's pressing on me now is that I'm due for a new phone.

I have an older phone and with my phone plan, I'm eligible for the new phone and it's got a little nicer camera. You know, all the things. And I am looking at how many pictures are on my phone. And they go all the way back to, oh my goodness, oh man, do I tell you we can see her shoulder

moving? Okay. Okay. Okay. It goes all the way back to 1980 is one of my first photos.

Because I have sort of like some old photo libraries. But really, I got this phone in 2004. And so it starts with a lot of the office. Okay. Yeah.

“And do you want to know how many are on this, do you want to do this?”

I'm almost afraid. I'm almost afraid to ask. It's going to hurt. I'm worried. It's going to hurt.

It might hurt your feelings. I don't know what it's going to do to me, but wait, how do I find out how many I have? Okay.

Pulling up my own photo app just because I always have historically fewer photos than

anyone that I know. Okay. But we're going to compare phone, photo numbers, ready? Go ahead. How do you find out how many you have?

If you open your photo app, it actually tells you under photos. It's like, give you a number of how many. Yeah. Or we'll say under your library. Now, I also do video.

I do video as well. Okay. I see how many items I have. And here's my question for you. My office hours question is, I would like a system.

And I clearly don't have one in place when you hear my number on my phone. Of, I don't know how, but to somehow make it part of a routine, I don't know how often I'll have time to do this where I go through and somehow edit. You know, like, I don't have to hold on to all of these. There's sometimes there's duplicates.

There's multiples. Yeah. And I used to try to do it on the plane. And then, like, going somewhere, and then, usually if we were going on vacation, I was going to have a plane ride.

But then it would bum me out if it started out the vacation. Like, I had this huge chore on my vacation. Yeah. I don't want to chore on my vacation. Yeah.

Okay. I'm going to, I'm confident that I have, I'm going to answer your, I'm going to give you some ideas. Okay.

But first, I'm confident I have to leave this smallest number.

And then we'll have Jenna say her number. And then Angela will see how much your number is. Well, I hope it's not cheating, but while we were talking, I just deleted a picture

So, well, I'm glad this isn't spiring you already.

All right. That's exactly right. Okay. I have 2,468 items in my photo app. Does that feel like a lot or a little?

I don't know what you have. It feels like so little. Yeah. Yeah. That usually.

All right, Jenna. What do you have? Okay. But a minute ago, I had $50,655. Okay.

But a minute ago, I had $50,655.

“Okay, look how much progress I've made already.”

You have. Angela, what do you have? Huh. This is the curve fall. I did not see coming today, ladies.

I have 43,000. Oh, wow. Oh, wow. Yes. I have more.

Four. Yeah.

This is the first time in our friendship history.

And we've been friends a long time that you have more digital clutter than I do. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. So far. Well, you know what?

I'm sorry, but apparently I needed five photos of the steak bites that I made the other night to send my sister. I know. My phone. I have so many pictures of flowers, like things I saw on a walk, I'm like, come on, lady.

You trim it. Trim it down. Yeah. I get it. And how?

It's like, it feels overwhelming. I don't know how to start this task. Yeah. I have a couple of questions to begin. One is what is your digital clutter preventing you from doing?

“Because here's the thing, you can have 50,000 photos and keep them.”

You don't say, and like, it doesn't just because you can make something like more essential

or more organized or smaller doesn't mean you have to. Like, if that is preventing you from something, then that's what we can pay attention to. So, what is there something that is actively being, that's an obstacle that you're 43 to 50,000 photos is creating an obstacle for? Kendra, this is why you are you because basically, you just made me realize that it doesn't

matter that I have 50,000 photos because I don't think it is keeping me from doing anything. I was going to say, oh, no, is it keeping me from making photo albums? Is it keeping me from, you know, putting photos where I really want them? But when I go on trips with my family, I make little folders and then I make photo albums.

I organize the photos that are important to me and then I let all the bagel and steak bite photos and the pictures of my airplane confirmation because I'm afraid I'm going to lose it, you know, I just let all that sit there, seven pictures of the dog sleeping next to the cat. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I use my photo library a lot for work for making the social media

slides for the podcast for office ladies and I like having it there, it's very handy. But I think for me personally, it's not slowing me down, it's not holding me back. But I have to dig through a lot of stuff sometimes to find things. So maybe it's just, I need to make folders. Yeah.

So I need to go through and make, and I did, I started this you guys. I did like an office ladies folder and stuff like that, but it didn't really help actually because they stay in your main library. So I'm still scrolling through them. Does that make sense?

Sure. Yeah, you're not going, when you're looking for something for office ladies, you're not necessarily going to the folder. You're just going to your main library and scrolling till you see what you need. Exactly.

Yeah. It's like I made more work for myself, making the folder. Yeah. Why isn't more work to make the folder? Like as soon as we take a picture in the studio, you immediately put it in a folder called

office ladies and then when it comes time to post something, just go to the office ladies folder. What's nice about it being in my main library is that it's in some ways easier to find the timeline for me of what we were doing that week, because I jump around. I research sometimes a few weeks before we record and I take screen grabs and like, I thought

the folder would help me, but it just ended up then I would be like, oh wait, I don't see this in there, then I'd go back to my library.

“I was just like, but I think the big thing for me, what I would like to achieve, and this”

is my question for you, Kendra, is I would like to get rid of the things in my photo library that I don't need anymore, like a picture of a receipt from a parking garage that I needed for whatever reimbursement, like I don't know, like I just want to structure the time to

day at my house, I'm like, okay, I'm going to do some tidying today, but it's just going

to be on my phone.

“Yeah, yeah, okay, so I think what's great about this is that Jenna feels the freedom to not”

do anything. My problem. You solved it. You solved it with that question. Yeah, it's not bothering you, so just keep it.

It's great. Keep your sharp bites. Yeah, it's bothering me. I want to get rid of some of the clutter. Maybe also because I think about getting this new phone, and I'm like, it's like moving

broken furniture into your new house, because you didn't have time to like, you know, like, you know, it's like, it's like, oh, that old couch that's got the whole in it that we kept saying, you know, we were going to give to our nephew who's in college. We never gave it to him. And now I'm moving that couch with the whole in it to my new house, like, I don't want

to move a bunch of junk to my new phone. If you weren't getting a new phone, would you feel the same way? I don't know that I'd have a timeline. I'd still want to tidy my photo library, but I don't know that I would have it as much in the forefront of my mind.

All right. So here are a couple of ideas that are coming to mind.

The first one, as you move through the process, whatever that process might look like,

I'll give you some specific ideas. But as you move through a process of, you know, kind of decluttering your photo app, I would encourage you first when you are going into find things in your main library for social

“media or whatever that you need to first adjust your expectations.”

Before you do anything else about your photo app, I feel like going in and being like, I'm so frustrated by, I can't find that this is taking longer to go in and be like, I have 43,000 photos and this might take seven seconds longer, or I may have to, like, you know what I'm saying? Rather than sort of set our expectations to match the ideal circumstance, adjust your expectations

before you try to change the circumstance. And I think that just kind of helps everything feel a little lighter and easier. Or it's like, man, here we go, it's my taking a couple minutes, but it's fine. It's fine until I figure out a system over time, that's okay.

So that's the first, I think, most important thing about it.

That's a, that's like a adjacent to being kind to yourself. It's like it's fine if it takes a little while. It's no big deal, right? Right. So that's the first thing.

The second thing that I would say is any deleting that you do of the receipt of the parking garage receipt is just like what Jenna did with deleting the bagels. Like she didn't have to delete the bagels, but every photo that you delete, even if it's just, if it's not sitting down like folding a basket of laundry, and this is true of folding a towel inside of a basket of laundry, every single task you do matters.

Every single photo you delete matters, even if it's once that day and then you don't do anything else again, because that's one less photo that you're doing. So just to sort of take the bigness of it out, feels really important as well, because it, what you're doing is teaching yourself that small steps do count. You don't have to wait to sit down with your phone for two and a half hours with like a four

steps system, and then you're going to send it into the other, you know, that you don't have to wait for the system to be real in order for the small steps to count. Yeah, I think in some ways, this is reminding me of your once a day down dog that you did. Yes, yes, you wanted to practice yoga, and you're like, I'm going to do one down dog a day. This is like one photo delete means something.

That's right, I think in some ways, me trying to have some big process with it was just making it, I was setting this task that felt too big, so then I didn't do anything at all.

“Of course, that's what we all do, very normal. Yes, because if we can't attack it all,”

we just don't start, and I'm here to tell you, that's why if you have like a mountain of laundry that you haven't gotten to, or like I think about people who are really struggling with grief, or struggling with mental illness, or things where there literally are chores and tasks and things that just keep growing and feel insurmountable, and things get bigger, and you're like, I don't know where to begin, and you don't begin at all, and that's because we think that

it has to all be done at once, or we have to have the big system or whatever, and I'm like fold a towel, delete one photo, wash one mug, that counts, that matters so much, and if we discount those small things, then we're just chasing big systems all the time, or like procrastinating on things that will actually help us or whatever. So yeah, I think I think just deleting one photo is so good, which leads me to this idea is not mine, this name is not mine, but there is a photo,

like a digital photo lazy genius who I love, and her name is Ms. Freddie. Ms. Freddie is Freddie with

and so she's very smart. She's been on the podcast ages ago, but she has something called the

“daily delete. You can set an alarm on your phone for a time that you're like on the couch,”

or you like, no shade here, like if you poop at a on a regular rotation, and you know, you're going to be like just chill in for a couple minutes, you know? Whatever it is, like wherever you're going to be settled for even just like three minutes, and you go in and that day, the photos you took that day, go through them, and delete the delete four of the five steak bites photo, keep the best steak bites photo if you want, and then delete the rest of them,

or whatever it is, and then the other thing that you can do, especially for your guys that have so many photos, is if you search that date, you know, if you're in there on May 7th and you search it, it'll give you all the photos from all the May 7ths, and you delete all the May 7th, you go through just for that day, and so then the idea is, in a year, you kind of have decluttered your whole thing, but you've done it slowly. Oh, I like that. That's, that's a misfreddy technique that I just

really, yeah. That is so great. That's pretty awesome. And doing searches like that would be really smart, like I could search paper. You could search flower. I know, but here's the, I don't want to delete all my flowers. You don't know. No, no, no, I don't know. But yeah, I could definitely like delete receipts. Yes. So those are the three, so the three principles that we just pulled out, be kind to yourself, and changing our expectations of how long a search is going to take,

and be softer about that, if it's, if it's in a, a cluttered photo album, start small, one, one photo delete is great. It's, it's like better to me than a big system of it, because you're, because guess what's going to happen? If you were to sit down and be like, I'm going to take four hours. I'm going to go through this whole diagram thing. In six months, you're going to be backward. You started because you didn't believe in small steps, and you didn't

practice them to get you to the end. Yeah. So it matters anyway. So you guys don't just do that first,

just do it in four hours on your phone, kind of, it's just saying that out loud breaks my spirit. I know. And so then you can kind of add in this sort of like decide once thing of like every day, I'm going to, or maybe once a week, maybe every, you know, every day is too hard, but because it's so small every day, it might be doable to do Ms. Freddie's daily delete, where you just take care of that day's pictures for as, as many back to 1980, and you tend to them,

“and then you're done until tomorrow. Yeah. That's what a beautiful thing that is.”

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Okay, right, Miss Jenna. So I think I need one of your pep talks.

“I think that's what I need because I am in the middle of a project.”

And I really appreciated your podcasts lately about the difference between like a sort of a routine or a system or a to-do list and a project and how a project has its own to-do list. Yeah. And it's not going to get done in one Sunday or one day or a couple of hours. And so I with that mindset, which was really great, I took on the project of cleaning out

and organizing my garage. And I was able to anticipate a lot of the things that were on that to do list, but there were a lot of things I couldn't that have, you know, built up.

Is that so one thing on the list, we have removed everything from our garage, everything.

It was a clown car. I didn't know so much stuff could fit in it. I don't get it. So we're very excited because now our cars fit in the garage. Because everything is out and now we lady, that's a big accomplishment. It is. I know I know plenty of people who can't fit a car in our garage. I know. Also, we fixed the garage door. We have a functioning garage door now.

These are big, cool, awesome things. One of the things now is, you know, differentiating

between donate, keep and trash. Sure. So we're making the big trash pile.

This is we're going to have to, I don't know, get a dumpster, have got junk or somebody come and

“haul this away. But here's the thing, Kendra, as I'm doing this, I'm getting that itchy feeling”

in my body because we also have a shed. We also have a basement. These two areas also have junk in them. And I'm doing that thing where I'm like, well, if the truck is coming, we should get the junk out of the shed. We should get the junk out of the basement. But now, the shed is its own project. The basement is its own project. And that's what my husband's saying. He's like, we're doing this project right now. When we decide to clean out the shed,

we will get rid of that junk. But we're not the assignment was not get rid of all junk in the house. Yeah. But I'm itching. It's like, I'm having, do you know what I mean? Insane thing with donate. I'm like, well, there's stuff in my closet. I could put in this donate pile. Now I'm dismantling my closet. So I'm having a little bit of a hard time staying on task because there's still so much to do. I mean, we still have to put shelves back in the garage

and reload everything into the garage. And I went through every bin, you know, and got like hair down. I got Easter down to one bin. Okay. I got Easter decoration. You down to grill. And I'm really proud of that. So this has been like a long-term project. And I don't know. I think

“that that's what I'm in right now. And I have this itchiness, even though I'm not even done with”

the garage to dismantle all these other spaces. And I can't do it. We'll drown. We'll drown. That's too much chaos. Too much chaos. Yeah. It's kind of like renovating your entire house at once. Right. As opposed to, well, let's start with this bathroom. And we'll finish the bathroom and then we'll move on to another room in six months or whatever. But I know that feeling, that itchy feeling. And I'm wondering how much of that feeling is connected to the satisfaction of

finally being done, you know, like being now the house is done. Now all the places that hold the clutter are done. And now we can just like live and breathe. How much of how much of that is true? A lot of it is attached to this. As you're saying it, I'm realizing it's sort of a fantasy

as you can never be done. I'm busy. I need done. I'm choosing the idea of done. Yeah. As Kendra

said that, I don't know if you could see my face, but I was like, because you, I've said it out loud. And I said, and then if we do the baby and then we're done, we're done. Literally just said that to me this week. And then after the basement, that's it. As if the junk drawer and my kitchen isn't still a mess. You'll never be done. You're never going to be done. But yes, I remember living one time, you're like, you know what? Today, I am taking everything out of

“this pantry. And I'm reorganizing this pantry. Yeah, I do that a lot. I think some of it's healthy,”

but I mean, I don't know Kendra, what does she do with that itchy feeling? So there are certain personalities. That. And I, I'm going to say I'm one of them. I'm one of them. That love, doneness, and function, and completion, and like we did it. Like there's a, there's a sense of accomplishment at the end. And it is, it is a chase. There's almost, I don't

when they like organize a closet or when they finish a project that's been waiting. And it's

“like the chasing of done, chasing of like, okay, everything is cleaned out. There is nothing in”

this house that can be donated. There's everything is gone. It's owned bin and every like, you know, there's this like, it's the same concept as Angela's photos, where we have this sense sometimes of like that everything has to function at its highest efficiency. And it has to be essentialized in the most ideal way possible for life to like really start moving now. And it is a fantasy. It is absolutely a fantasy. I remember when we were doing, we moved into this house that I

live in now 15 years ago and we did a bunch of renovations to it before we moved in, because it was very old and all the things. And I remember speaking to some, the new neighbors that I had met who were retirees. And I was like, I'm so excited that when we're, when the renovation is done, like we won't do anymore work on the house and they both laughed like out loud laughed in my face

and they were like, sweetheart, you know. They were always be something to feel through. You're always

“going to want to fix and prove. And that's what I mean about the personality thing. There are”

people who love to fix and improve. There are people who love to say, look at how wealthless works now. Look at how much order there is in here. Look at how much dare I say control. I have over this room now. I know where things are. And Angela's right, there's nothing wrong with that. There's nothing wrong. That can serve your family well. It can serve your own like inner peace well. But if you chase that in the whole, in the whole thing at the expense of actually enjoying the fact

that the garage, you can figure cars in the garage and that it's working and that you have like a

bear enough of a project to do right now. It's like a defeat. It takes away the the accomplishment of the one project in search of, you know, finishing the rest of them and you're not going to finish all the rest of them. You're just going to end up in a house of piles and you're going to it's not going to do what you want it to do. Wow. I really needed to hear all that. I really did. I'm actually really moved by it because I don't want to deny myself the joy of standing in my

organized garage that we've been working so hard on it. This has been like we're going on over a month of figuring this out and, you know, multiple people, you know, fixing the lights and the garage and the garage door. Like those were different people who we had to call and figure out schedule. You had had a working garage door in 10 years. In 10 years. Like that, you have a working garage door. I know. It's really exciting and I want to enjoy it. I want to enjoy this accomplishment.

I don't want to finish the garage take one breath and be like now the basement. Like that's a bummer. It is a bummer. I have to let those other spaces go right now. I really do. It's almost like a, I mean, it is a choice. It's a choice that's to make. And it can be a, it can be a really life-giving celebratory choice to say. It's almost, it's almost like, let's see if this metaphor works. But it's almost like, um, you know, when you have a work accomplishment, you know, like maybe,

you know, you guys have both written and published books. Like you have a book come out and then you're celebrating and then someone's like what's your next book going to be? I just put no or or your kids, like, if you, if your kids are like, um, having their, you know, they're seen your night at a thing or they're starting middle school or whatever it is that they're doing, you're not going to go to them on the day that they start middle school and be like, are you,

are you really looking forward to the last day though? Isn't that fun that you've now started this thing that you're going to end? Like, we don't do a good job of staying in moments of, of celebration.

“We do it better with people, but I think we need to do it more with, with projects and things”

that are like more intangible, but that still impact our lives. And it's a choice you get to make that you can go, I am, I'm deciding once right now that I am not going to do anything in the shed or the basement or even the sweater that I could throw in the bin of the dumpster or whatever. I'm not going to do any of that right now because not, I don't have the energy for it. It's not

to stay here and do this and it can be an active choice and then you can make another active choice when it's like, okay, it's basement time now. Let's do the basement and we're not going to

worry about the shed and we're not going to worry about because you again, you will never be done,

“so you have to choose that you're going to be done with what you're doing. I love it.”

You've made me actually excited today's task on my garage to do list is to scrub out the garage fridge and freezer. We do it. Girl, I'm going to scrub it up and I'm going to be happy about it. Yeah, you are. Yeah, you are. When that garage is done, I want us to have a little celebration moment. I feel like you need to have a little party. Yeah, I, everybody gets to press that button to watch the door open. I want to stand there next to you and watch it go ginging ginging ginging ginging ginging

ginging ginging ginging ginging ginging ginging ginging ginging ginging ginging ginging ginging. Lady, I will take you up on it. Like, I actually, that makes it so fun for me to finish it to have a little ribbon cutting. Can I get some jelly? Like, novel pieces. And you know what, Lady, I will come and I will take probably 25 pictures and I'm going to keep five of them. Oh, yes, yes. Oh, that's so good. It's so good. I think for like for both of you and for anybody, for all of us, it is so easy and understandable and normal to like over complicate stuff.

And you know, whether we just have to make it the best it can be. And you know, the, like I said, the most efficient and the greatest and the optimized and all of that. And it's like, that is, I said that at the top of the show, that's unsustainable. It's just, it's not even a fun

because you're just always like, in the hamster wheel of a project and production, rather than really

enjoying your life and it's hard to enjoy your life when you're chasing the next thing. And so you where you are and clean out your fridge and look for big scissors on the internet. So good. Yeah, I love it. This was awesome. Andrew, thank you so much. I'm so I'm so glad to be able to, I don't know. It's just fun. It's fun to hear how we all have like different types of the specificity of our problems is different, but really like the core of all of it for so many of us is the same.

“It's good to just remember that like it's, it's, it's a wonderful thing to want to make life a little”

easier and more enjoyable. But you don't do that at the expense of right now. You don't do that at the expense of who you are right now and your energy right now. Just like, it's okay if things are done lazily, it's okay if things are done halfway or if you keep all 50,000 photos and you don't delete a single thing. That's okay. That's also a beautiful way to live. It's all the same. We're just making different choices based on what matters to us and that's what it all comes down to. So thanks

for like real life examples about today. Well, there's more of that came from it, also. Welcome back. You wait. I know this is like an annual thing now. Officer, the office lady, they're going to, I hope so. Yeah, I love it. Yeah, that's so fun. Okay, y'all. Well, thanks for being here with us today. Before we go, you have your own podcast, which everybody knows about, the office these podcasts, but tell us like what's going on on the show right now. Well, we have some really

fun episodes coming up this week's episode that just came out yesterday is called travel journals and Angela and I read from our spring break travel journals. This was requested. Someone wrote in. Angela's journaling is a little famous over in office ladies land and we're going to give everybody what they've been asking for. Apparently I journal like Michael Scott, who knew I have the

same prose voice as Michael Scott. It's pretty amazing. Also in that episode, we reveal a new

format that we have for office ladies. So we're excited for people to hear that. And then Angela, do you want to tell them about our special guests coming up? Oh my gosh, you know, when you get that email and you're like, did I read that correctly? And it just happens to be like from Billy Eilish

“and she's like, I really want to come back on the podcast. We're like, what? That's what I'm”

doing with these two old gals. She's just such a delight. She wanted to come back on our podcast one because she is one of the biggest office fans you will ever meet and we play this really fun office trivia game with her. But we also talked to her about her documentary that's coming out. It is a movie that she co-directed with James Cameron in 3D that follows her whole big hit tour.

really lovely gal. And we also have some fun episodes. We have Calvin Tiner who was one of the

“characters in the warehouse coming up on the office. And we recently had Mueller Harden on and we”

talk all about Jan. So we've got some fun stuff happening over at office ladies. Jan is like the most iconic character. So wonderful. I just, I will watch dinner party when I'm sad. And it's

Mueller shared some amazing stories. Like it was really great. She came in person and we

“had a little reunion. It was awesome. It's a great episode. Well, this was also a great episode.”

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