Ep. 853: Turkeys Break the Internet, Tungsten Ammo Gets Expensive, and Black Bear Politics Flare

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did you check your uh Alaska goat tag did you win nope no I don't know about that I didn't draw in the normal draw but I don't know about the raffle draw yet I did draw the normal draw yeah because I closed are we give them away boots right now yes we still are we're giving away yeah so I got my special guess even I don't know terrible oversight of my part joined today by Tony Peterson big buck killer random Williams big ape guy hmm bear newcomers here

you bet Spencer new heart and of course Brody Henderson uh we're going to start off with your

“new is jumping on corrections fill corrections okay first one comes and here's the thing”

the first one comes some half of finger and half of finger doesn't know this yet gem half of finger doesn't know this yet but we have disqualified him from winning the boot is this the same guy is last week no it's just he's a friend of the show and he's got his right yeah y'all he wants brought up he's like said to have fingers has Steve ever talked about hiring you and he said

we're eliminating him from the running because he's a known person who's been on the show so

wouldn't be fair if he won the Tacoma's boots but here's half of fingers correction we were on

“a previous episode uh neanderthal love we were talking about whether or not if you want to sound”

Johnny big time you go neanderthal if you want to sound like some doldard you say neanderthal I was saying that something to that effect have a finger wrote him the thuh thuh thuh TH and neanderthal was part of the original spelling and used in the scientific name in the 1800 Homo neanderthalensus science values stability over really nearly updates later the German

language was modernized and reformed and they dropped the H but it was already in such popular

usage and English that it remains more correct to use the in English and in scientific writings it is more correct to drop the H in German language and when talking about the location of the

“first neanderthal fossils found in a valley named after something or another neanderthal so that means”

the neanderthal means valley in German so the neanderthal I'm confused by this a little bit so Mike because I don't know whether he's saying he's talking about spelling or pronunciation here he's saying that the the crowds I get that part changed it but for themselves but it was

already in such usage here that Americans didn't need to change it but I think it was always an

American mispronunciation because in German THAL is tall so you throw into correction back up I'm just throwing another wrinkle into the story here I've thought about it long and hard I'm going back to Neanderthal which is where I came from yeah tall sounds pretentious

“so yeah that's why I did it you didn't say you're an enthusiast of neanderthal”

I like that yeah Neanderthal enthusiast that be like he has a speech about it okay here's another one I think this one is this eligible or ineligible no this is eligible you invested them are eligible okay so now we're in the contest bear if you're not familiar we're gonna read corrections you vote on what's the best correction okay and you get a pair of beats and the winner of the best correction gets the pair of he picks out whatever you want

she we haven't had a woman win yet hold the boots up this is just an example of what you could select one of many brand-spickety new Tacobas boots Spencer put your nose to that boot and take deep whip no one's had these on yet where do you smell no not that part well you smell that quality leather yeah smells like leather through here's a correction for yawness during episode eight forty seven neanderthal love well the okay the the episode was titled neanderthal love

milder eradication to make eyelashes anyways yeah and he was doing a report about the cadeline island milder debate and how they may be moving forward with a plan to eradicate or attempt to eradicate milder off of cadeline island where they are not native but where they're in looking sight of where they are native brody as the honest this is the correcter writing him brody asked yawness what the cadeline island conservancy plans to do with the deer after they kill him

yawness replied there's no plan for it well here's the correction the cadeline island conservancy has on their website that they will quote provide the meat to the California Condor recovery program where they will lay the carcasses in remote hills to allow them to decompose naturally and get eaten by condors that sounds a lot like doing nothing yeah sure if you got busted let's say you got busted by fishing game for like one way so you killed a deer you left it

and they're like hey you know you're in trouble you can't do that you they're like oh no you don't understand I'm feeding nature I'm feeding magpies yep this is magpies conservation what I'm wasting is strategic spot or magpies will find them so that's what they say and it is like

California Condors will consume them um sure they're going to have a mighty square meal

“when for a brief period of time they're not they're not planning on laying it out over time”

like for a brief period of time they will have hundreds of meal deer carcasses to choose from okay a lot of corrections about the open field doctrine that's a great correction by the way um a lot of corrections about the open field doctrine some of them came in like very adversarial to me but how dumb I am and everything okay we heard from many folks across the country this was a this is a hot this generated a lot we had lawyers right in we had law enforcement guys right in we had a fellow Montana

and over at the sheriff's department still water county road in so to all you folks thanks for

writing in about the open field doctrine we selected one because it kind of laid things out the most cleanly click the cleanest so apologies to those of you who wrote in but you're not in

“the running for the brand spaghetti new boots the the correction goes like this good morning”

how are you I just listen to episode 848 now here's where he lays out his credentials which is a tip to people doing corrections get the credentials yeah I am a retired FBI agent and currently teach constitutional criminal procedure at the FBI academy so there he's like laying it out dude don't mess with me who's gonna argue with him then he goes on to say I have to take exception with whoever explained the open fields doctrine to Steve I like this approach yeah

he's not a couple of his sandwiches like something else he's like oh no it's not your fault you were missing might be might teach interrogation techniques as well this is this is a great like yeah it's like yeah I don't hey I'm not attacking you bro I'm attacking whoever told you the dumb thing you think it's also how you can you all listen yeah just what hey someone told us to then it was explained to me by an idiot yeah and here I am an innocent victim of like this idiot

idiocy so he's taking exception as he should to who told me about it which sort of assumes that they told me wrong maybe that I didn't twist it up my head but he says this okay here's it here it is I'm laying it out for you in the 1987 Supreme Court decision United States versus done

the court defined open fields as different from the curdle eyes I never heard that word

as different from the curdle eyes of one's home yeah I got a backup he didn't do a great job explained this what were your top of the area of laying around the house what we're talking about is we're speaking about this thing where if a game word let's say you're on your private property and a game word has reason to believe there's poaching take a place on that property like he's here in a bunch of gunshots and a duck march private property it's 30 minutes before shooting

light and you see her and boop boop boop boop boop boop he can go in there without a search warrant and find out what's going on it's like the open fields doctrine I was saying that it was a tool of game warms all the crafters are like this is not this is not particular to game or it might be utilized by game ones but not particularly powers that law enforcement other law enforcement yeah I was that they had powers that people didn't have it goes back to this whole

thing where they were like working moon shineers they were working moon shineers and see some

“moon shine from a moon shineer and and that's what led to this thing that that the moon shineer”

was out in the open fields and not in his home when he got searched some of that effect right in the correction about that this guy says in the 1987 Supreme Court decision United States versus Dunn the court defined open fields as different from the curdle lodge wrotey on area around one's house of one's home which involves the activities associated with the living space law enforcement officers not just game wardens can enter private property on open fields

without a warrant traditionally game wardens have had even greater scope to enter out buildings and even dwellings in search of evidence of game violations many states have curtailed those powers but generally the open field doctrine is explained and done the open field doctrine

along with the Houston Harris County deputy entered the defendant's property to look through

“a woman to look through the windows of a barn about 100 yards behind the main dwelling”

the court ruled this entry on to the property was not a fourth amendment violation because open fields are not protected as part of the person's houses papers and effects which are covered by the fourth amendment he goes on obviously with all constitutional law there are nuances and all states can grant greater protections than the U.S. Constitution but not lesser protections not trying to be nitpicky but I've taught this area of the law for the

last 16 years and I have 29 see he's going back around to double up on his credentials

you missed the highlight of the CML please go ahead he did this with text to type

“and you missed the typo that in this discussing in the open fields of the typos the law”

and for a lot of respect for him it's a great it's a great out of respect for Todd I loved that scared that I respect I still respect Todd but I thought that was too good I know who gets lost over okay so to review we're going to head to we need three oh he didn't we did have a thing you're not the run you guys cut too many we don't have internet so I can't stick

something else back we can just do one of the next well I'm doing the gomer number three oh okay

perfect so you track and bear I'm tracking this person we wrote in didn't even write it really in as a correction but more like as a clarification so now you're running but corrections clarifications are in my book pointing out something that was omitted it's like air by omission counts clarifications count um great for me this is about the clarification and a correction yeah well good for this guy who might get a share of a gomer bowl in semination and this

goes back to a conversation I have my dear friend Kevin Murphy who is describing to me his ranch work as a child and how they had a bold who's penis is reoriented to come out the wrong direction when cows were coming into heat they would take this bowl and put a big ink blotter on his neck he would go out and try to mount ripe cows and then ink blotter then rancher comes out notices the ink blotter on a cow runs out artificially in seminates it so it was a way of identifying

a cow coming into heat drag him okay then we talk about that a bunch and we've had other corrections about this guy wants to clarify and that they dubbed these things gomer bowls this one guy calls him a gomer bowl Steven crew I teach a cattle artificial insemination course with University of Idaho get comes in hard lays out his credentials you had a cowboy writing about gomer bowls which were a common way to check for standing heat and cattle however gomer bowls

are not extremely common in today's world the cowboy talked about a lottery ticket style scratcher which is common use however it does not have to be a bowl writing those females they write each other yeah young children nearby cover their ears oh there's a world no I'm joking and a pen or pasture they write each other other females will scratch so okay they put a patch on on the cows other females are trying to write each other the females will

scratch off the patch and show the artificial insemination technician that the cow is in heat and ready to be inseminated see this is a little surprise i've seen i didn't know like i've seen plenty that go on in my day but i didn't know that they were queuing in on the cow being and he i just thought it was just general whatever another common practice is to use hormones that stop or start an ovulation cycle to time them so a majority of animals enter standing heat at

“the same time i'm familiar with that i think they call me heat sinking you're familiar with”

heat sink seeking missiles this is he's sinking artificial insemination is a great tool for genetic improvement and cattle and other species as well as removing some dangers and additional

son to remind everybody voting open fields doctrine

katilina and gomer bowls

“katilina how many bowls we how many voters you got today one two three four eight”

votes katilina right man open fields uh that's like an anime and the queen's tremendous respect for law enforcement sorry gomer yeah we know why because that's god thank you dude yeah right a lot of people and i and god bless them people right in there with the math questions that's all great keep in common but that's got real cheese right there

yeah i i not to take anything away from gober bull insemination it's fascinating yeah it's very

interesting but yeah thanks Todd will get in touch and you can choose your own pair to covers boots yeah a law man with some new boots yeah like that you know hopefully he's gonna he's gonna shot gun those new boots and get his holsters out and go down in the mainstream mm-hmm can i add one more thing to have a fingers email please i twenty sixteen discovery uh article covered it if it should be neanderthal or neanderthal they determine both are fine uh but

“they likened it to if you say neanderthal that's like calling paris peri instead that's all that's what”

we're just committance they're calling a paris oh yeah you gotta get the throw that's right in there

now i'm going back to neanderthal bad dude we had a previous episode where we were goofing on a guy so a guy wrote in tombot is daughter's uh boyfriend and he's saying that normally he's kind of a nomschool but he had a good idea about using e-bird like a birding app where people share their bird sightings using e-bird to scout ducks and he says like normally this kid's a nomschool but that's a good idea well the kid heard that and he wrote in he's like i think that's me

i was just telling my girlfriend's dad about this yeah and and he knows that the girlfriend's dad listens to the show right there's going to be a conversation that happens between those now he points out he goes he was onto the assumption that the discussions he was having with his

“future father-in-law were would be kept under wraps but now that the secret is out and the”

decision to just father-in-law future father-in-law whatever didn't respect the privacy of the conversation anyways he wants to clarify something i was pointing out that i don't think that that scouting tool is going to be as quick as ducks you know like like geese hit a field there's no i mean you know if geese are in a field in the evening you know there's that's where you want to be in the morning but there's no like guaranteed you know i mean it's like so i'm like

by the time you like build up a bunch of hoses driving by and like oh it's all goose you know that that you're not going to hunt off that old intro yeah but it's no obler strut in a field dude yeah well that's that's legit a gobler strut in the field is like he's somewhere around there man especially like old church old cemetery nearby he's there so i was like it doesn't really work and he writes in this this is about damn correction he goes um he brings up how i question

the up-to-dateness of the material and he says i'm not sure if Steve is aware of a handy e-bird of a handy e-bird tool called alerts you can request on e-birds website to be notified as often as hourly oh my god of sightings of birds okay these alerts can be personalized their ways to set the alerts up to notify you of species of particular interest i'm often doing homework he says you can't be that bad of a kid

and driving around i don't know that means i know it meant for me back in the day and you know he'll get alerts he'll get notifications alerting him to where he should go find a species or a bunch of species and i'm looking for okay alerts you know i can see satin like

yes we're on horse-to-mile of public life if there's a drop-down menu you can be like one

“during hands you may not like here about that this could be strutters you'd be like that's”

on this is out of some awkward moments because like we're not when a hunter and a birder arrive at the same spot the same time we'll get him to open a letter you're like no but couldn't you also see hunters being like oh i'm gonna report strutting goblers 20 minutes away and they are thick yeah oh yeah it's a good point i wouldn't have thought you'd outsmart to me because you the ben light if you knew i was doing you'd have strutters everywhere but where there was a strutter

right yeah right then then each user would have to have their own sort of review rubric that some people get a rate very exciting right see here's another piece of feedback that like is of this guy's getting kind of screwed up set of boots but when we're talking about neanderthals

“i was talking about a book i was reading and then the book i was reading i was talking about how”

this anthropologist was looking at the suite of injuries they find on neanderthal skeletons and how at some point time of physician who worked on bull riders often in his community said man it seems like the sweets of inner injuries we see on neanderthal skeletons reminds me of the kind of injuries i see on bull riders and it led this idea that they had this like confrontational hunting strategy and they were getting wounded by their prey like how bull riders get wounded by bulls

he says that that idea was an idea but as people have done more and more research on it and looked into it they're finding that it's really it's really not and it is fallen out of favor the rodeo rider interpretation he says is large you fall out of favor more research has shown that

“the trauma patterns used to support the hypothesis the hypothesis are not unique to dangerous hunting”

scenarios it could also be explained by other factors including interpersonal violence as a result many researchers including one of the original opponents now consider the confrontational hunting explanation to be under supported our colleague Alex Tillney wrote me or told me over the phone he was reading that same paper because he had interested in it funny and he said you could also argue that they have a suite of injuries similar to people who have

been in golf cart accidents which leads one to believe they were golfing here's this one's not even kind of a correction but we've got to get moving on we're going to get into this I didn't know about this this guy's right name he's talking back to our screwer map episode so during World War I I'm going to try to make this quick as possible bad doing World War I America was supplying horses to the English guy we were bringing horses

and sent them because that was a war still fought on you know to some extent a father horseback the crowds sent over an infectious disease spy to plant diseases in America to give anthrax and other disease this guy got caught in ran got away he died in the Spanish flew epidemic he came here and was swabbing American horses with anthrax trying to kill the horses before they could join the World War I War effort dang wow and he died the flew it's kind of

fitting he fled they could never caught him he fled one of dying and they've been from the Spanish

flew soccer all right everybody if you're getting fired up for spring turkey season you're going to want to hear this man I'm Tony I'm fired up well anyway right now we're running the ultimate spring turkey giveaway in his pack with over $13,000 in prizes including an incredible turkey hunting experience gear from sig a shotgun from Benelli a $1,000 gift card from first light and a whole big pile of gear from other partner brands one lucky winner is going to receive a spring

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but it ends right before midnight gobble gobble over to Randall yeah now we're fills going to play a little segment here in honor of March Madness this was an interview I wanted to do on radio life but as we all know it's dead now and it's been dead for several weeks so we just pre-recorded this interview with Will Chatter of the University of Michigan basketball team play the tape fill welcome to the meat eater news sports desk I'm your host Randall Williams joined today by Will

Chatter power forward for the University of Michigan men's basketball team and winner of meat eater trivia episode 130 will congrats on a great season so far 31 and three going to the tournament as a number one seed 19 one in the conference big ten champs and with two dominant wins last week the Wolverines are in the sweet 16 facing off against Alabama this Friday one was the last time you went fishing and how was it I was actually all last night went out to this little

inland lake about 20 minutes from campus and got into the first small mouth of the year so it was pretty

good to be back out on the boat back out on the lake after such a good weekend and this is coach aware that you're fishing in between tournament games oh yeah he's well we're good he knows he knows that's my pressure release so perfect yeah so we're all good there well I want to go back to late January your 83 71 victory on the road against Michigan State huge win against the number 11 team in the country your in-state rivals and a program with a lot of pedigree two days later

you posted a photo of you pulling a blue gill out of the ice what were they biting on that day oh man oh yeah okay so that was funny thing about that I was posted those salmon fishing at this harbor up on Lake Huron and my spotted frozen over I was so pissed so we on the way back

“we hit Lake San Claire just went into the canals and just hammered blue gills I think we were just”

tipping jigs like little tungsten jigs with with waxes so amazing yeah now you got a talent

that squad up there some potential NBA draft picks if you could only fish for one species for the rest of your life what would it be and why oh my um I'd probably have to say small mouth bass just you know with you know how hard they fight they're they're fun to catch now you guys have had some big changes during time in Ann Arbor coach Dusty may took over in March of 24 you've had a lot of roster turnover now in coach may second season you guys are on your way to the sweet 16 for the second

year in a row do you keep your own boat on campus yeah it's in my garage at our house nice nice last question here will you guys have a tough matchup on Friday against the number four seed crimson tide their high tempo offensive minded team with some of the nation's highest three point shooting volume in efficiency one was the last time you ate a fish that you caught two weeks up I didn't catch that one um man I'd probably say October was the last time um preseason

“I had a fish yeah that was preseason that was Lake say clear wall as I think that's by the last time”

my buddy caught some well as when we went on on the Detroit River a few weeks ago but I can't lie I didn't catch them so but I ate them so very nice well well thanks for taking the time during a busy week bestie luck to you guys moving forward in the tournament appreciate it man that was a great segment hey guys what a kill to alive ha ha shout out to will though he's they I know he's fan of the show and he fishes probably harder than anybody in college sports so

it's great to hardest fishermen in college sports I would I would feel very confident saying that okay so someone sent us this this kind of a funny thing I got a laugh out of this Tony's gonna explain I got a laugh out of this till you got your little thing that makes the bleeps

I I can do it in post yeah yeah so well first off Tony can you explain how can you explain

what's going we'll read the letter but can you explain can you give the background on this this

like December 10th every year get into it and as you can imagine people are trying to draw early

“season today so Wisconsin has six seasons seven zones throughout the state and the highest demand”

seasons are the first couple yeah everybody wants hunt first right so people apply for those and

generally those get soaked up in the lottery but Wisconsin has a quota system per zone per season that they will sell one per day after a certain point in March so this year was March even if the pool if there are tags left okay so if you apply for a season season a and then it gets all filled up they don't then sell them online no it's only it's only so these are all leftovers so but but people count on it because Wisconsin has it I mean depending on the zone right Southern part of the

state tons of tags move farther north fewer tags right so so one zone this year zone six didn't have any leftover tags so you couldn't for any season no is there a point system Tony or is it just lottery yeah so there is a point system but you can kind of count on getting tags in a lot of

“places yeah you know it might not be the season you want so what happens is every year in March”

they'll have a date and they go okay zone one licenses go on sale at 10 a.m. on March 16th March 17th at 10 a.m. zone two right on down the line to whatever's left and then once they've

gone through this first phase where it's just that day is dedicated to that zone god then they're all

first come first serve and you can buy one a day till they're gone so as you can imagine there's a lot of competition because those takes because people are trying to buy the earliest tags they can generally or if you know the kids are going to be off a school and you want to hunt with them you're trying to get that weekend or however that falls for you so this is a system where you can show up 15 minutes before the 10 a.m. launch and get in line and you're waiting there in a virtual queue

no and then at 10 o'clock they assign you a spot okay and so you might be fifth in line and it's not how it's not tied to how long you run the phone no so you can be there eight hours early it doesn't you can only get into the virtual queue 15 minutes early okay right so and I know you're going to go into this but in in the interest of journalistic integrity no to do it everyone I have to say that I was involved in this okay and so was Patrick Durkin

our mutual friend so was bubbly Doug right so I it worked out in the end but I went through this

“okay what we're going to get into but that is that's the gist of the system that's how it works”

now I want to just a little added color here because this is help explain the thing to me is like take take Doug we're Doug lives right Doug will usually say and I'm understanding it better now

he usually say there will be d season there's you he'd be like there's always some d seasons

right meaning whatever but that means a bc get consumed in the draw within there's but then there's some d so you might be on the ladder you're not hoping to score a year in the queue waiting to get a d just get something because that's what's there that's what's there right so you got to imagine like a lot of Midwestern states you're talking to mid-April opener that goes through the end of May and so if you look at where Doug lives I would assume Doug is in

zone one which has a ton of tags so the highest priority one will be the first season that's available after the lottery which will often you can count on d season though and if you wanted to hunt later than that you can count on the seasons after that and you could end up having multiple tags if you want so it's it's actually a really cool system because you can kind of if you you have the opportunity you can hunt a couple different weeks you know you know I mean you

can you can plan around that but this style they're style of running a whole ton of turkey seasons that are all one week long or roughly one week long that's an odd system it is it is yeah so you like instead of being like oh it's turkey season I'm going to hunt for six weeks it's like no you're going to hunt a week it's like Colorado big game season yeah colors big game season like you're like the first season second season third season fourth season

right and it's so I'm I'm less sensitive to it because Minnesota has gone through we've we've way liberalized at home but when I started turkey hunting you had a draw season and you had five days and it was half days so you could hunt till noon and then they started expanding it and eventually we could hunt till three thirty and then we could hunt till sunset and eventually they

where this originated from but I would assume that this systems is old and it comes from when they

“didn't have very many turkeys because that's where ours you know you know came from so”

might be a aspect of spread and pressure out to there it definitely is that sure man it definitely is it's not everybody is all going to hunt the opener right or the bulk people are going on the

open and if you're a non-resident you're just about never going to hunt those early seasons so was this

deal here that happened was it really that different than normal well do you want to get into that yeah yeah yeah I want to get it all right so I read the show I read the thing yeah you show someone read like a frustrated user your system socks waited in line was 3,800 in line I live in zone two and you gave me a permit for zone seven then I waited for the bonus waited all the way to my number and your thing failed out on me you in bread piece is a I'm not even gonna say it

“mother there are no periods or commas in that comment not Donald well Donald not happy right”

not Donald Trump no same number got a no can we pull up the DNR's a response I noticed the DNR

replied that they replied to it yeah I can't write a positive so that's right sorry I didn't mean to thanks Randall I'm scrolling through the comments now I can't find Don's post so Don's moved fired up ain't went and done bad I can tell you that I was too oh you were okay so I got into that virtual queue and I have added pressure because I need to get myself a tag and then I need to try to get in and get my daughters tags so I have to log in get in line log in and so I'm stressing I get in

the line are they assigned me my spot I have four people ahead of me which made me feel like when you get in really early boat drawn a tournament and you're like nobody's gonna be on my starting spot this is smooth sailing so I get in go to buy my tag simple and then it won't process my payment and you know you're on the ticking clock because they're funneling through a bunch of people and this is before they had issued a hey we we're having technical difficulty is stick around you know the spinning

wheel death or whatever and so I'm like okay they're gonna boot me out I tried to buy it 5,000 times but I'm like I don't want to refresh or go back because I'll lose my spot no no and I had you know a lot of four people ahead of me you know and you know thousands of people are in line you feel the weight of all those people I felt a lot of weight there and so then the system kicks me out and so I have a little dad anger temper tantrum but you get sometimes we got to build an exercise

bike or something you can fix a garage door so then I have to get back in you know they they issue the statement that it's not working they're running through a technical payment processing glitch I get I'm waiting to get back in I'm waiting for them to start letting us queue up and I checked my email just randomly and it had a receipt for from the Wisconsin DNR and so I'm like okay did I get my license and then I looked at my like see if there's anything

pending on my credit card and there was so I'm like my payment somehow must have gotten through even though I didn't know it and it didn't show me I didn't have the receipt on the actual go-wild site but I got to wait and line anyway because I got to get my daughters in there

“they finally open it up I get back in there I can't remember what place I was seeing that you put”

yourself in front of your daughters I noticed that too well here here's why I hunt with a buddy of mine down there and I knew that I would be able to probably get one of my daughter's tags if not both of them but I'm like I got to take one of them for sure so we're gonna hunt together kind of thing and we're gonna hunt with him so I'm like I knew we would get the tags probably like did I make any sense? I wasn't anticipating this okay like I'm like I'm gonna get in

but yeah generally like yeah right Tony first right so I get kickback and I got like 11,000

people in front of me and I'm like this has been like an hour and a half deal it goes by fairly quick finally get in there buy one of my daughters a tag and I'm like I wonder if this will let me just use this window and I got back in got the other one tags so I'm you know a fairly good father

shit but you start seeing this out there right and so Karen asked me to look into this for this

because we knew this Donald Fella was pretty ticked off and I know even though I'm a Minnesota resident I hunt Wisconsin all the time my own land over there I know the general five toward the DNR like there's Wisconsin hunters are not shy about speaking out against the DNR so I dig into this and I find an article by Pat and where where he has he had the same experience and wrote about he did write about it and in Pat's article he referred to this this problem with their system

as a fundering herd problem in the IT world which I love as a name right everybody runs to the

same spot the old system crashes and so in his reporting Pat said that this fundering herd

problem which shuts down the system for a while has happened in Wisconsin three times in 18 years

“and when I read that I was like man I kind of remember going through this at some other point”

so it's it has definitely happened before but this Donald Fella blame in the Wisconsin DNR and people getting super pissed you know we know because of what we do with this with this company sometimes you contract out services you know right so the Wisconsin DNR doesn't really run that service you know it is it is contracts it's not like a game ward sitting there right building right right put it down right like what I what it reminded me of you know back in the day of

being being primarily an outdoor writer which was my gig for a long time and a lot of people here have done that you know how it is where you send something in and maybe it's supposed to be 2,000 words and you send it in at 2200 or you know they get they sell an ad and they got to cut it down by 300 words and that's where a lot of typos in the magazines came from was you know that last minute edit where you're like we got to get this down to 1,500 words to fit and you'd see some continuity

issue and they're somewhere and then people would call you out as the writer and be like you sock band yeah yeah yeah you're like I didn't even know grubber right right so I feel like the Wisconsin DNR has has been blamed in a way that maybe they shouldn't be and so I dug into that a little more because I I understand why people were so pissed off because I was having gone through it but we haven't had all kinds of thundering heard problems in the outdoor space so I don't

“know if anybody had to buy or tried to buy a hoh Idaho tag. That's famous for that was I think 2022”

Idaho had a day long system crash Pennsylvania had just happened with antlerless tags in 2023 and so it's not this is just a thing that happens with technology and then I so then I was like well

where else does this happen uh area on agrande in 2025 and six million people try to buy a pre-sale

ticket event crash the whole thing oasis reunion tour you know same real the reunion tour right right right a cdc in 2024 at 35,000 people rushed the digital door to understraw. Those are the kind of fans you want to get mad right super recent super bowls NBA finals video game releases comic con events harvard university commencement access what had it apparently and keep that house of the mouth while Disney World has had this happen too so great this is a thank you this is a uh problem that just happens now the one thing that I

didn't encounter in any of the 22 minutes I did researching this was this novel job was this situation where it or hope you know it's good where it's engineered Donald said that he had tried to

“get a I think he said zone two tag and ended up with zone seven or something I didn't see that anywhere”

and I even went to I was wondering Donald didn't make making the state well so you would think that but in the system you really shouldn't be able to because when you when you get in on the specific day there's a drop down you know it's like zone one tag and then a drop down for the season yeah and it doesn't let you go so there wasn't his fault but and so I went to like uh this the state page the Wisconsin state page on both site you know I went to some forums to just see if there were

other people bitchin about that kind of thing and I didn't find it anywhere also that one is like a little bit of a mystery on what happened there I found the Wisconsin DNR's response on Facebook to Donald and Donald replied to them again did they make a month well Randall and I will do some

"Hi Donald we are aware of the issue and are working with our technology provider to resolve it."

"You" "No" "Yes" "I just simple" "You" "Your knees just had his license" "Yeah" "It's man" "Really?"

“"Oh yeah he's got his full name on Facebook" "That's what he said" "Yeah I'm looking at it right here"”

"Maybe yes" "God loves the hug turkeys" "Yeah really quick this episode airs tomorrow so I don't have a lot of time to go through and bleep stuff out so we're just trying to think this team might be a kind of guy to go get a turkey with a license or not "Sorry Phil" "With the full context I regret doing what I just did" "Thank you Tony" "All right everybody if you're getting fired up for spring turkey season you're going to want to hear this man I'm Tony I'm fired up" "Well anyway right now

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that TSS ammo is extremely expensive if you can even get your hands on it these days um and some people might not be aware of why that is and there's a global tungsten shortage mostly driven by China's dominance in the kind of like owning the tungsten mining field um but there's also like export restrictions tariffs and rising military like global geopolitical conflicts wars if you will um so in the last year so the price of like raw tungsten is up 500 percent

ah and one year oh yeah inventory is nearly depleted it's likely a multi-year supply deficit supplies are nearly exhausted I said and and like production so the production can't like recover ramp up there's just no way and competition for the resources increasing um and then this

“up has a self perpetuating quality because the minute I learned about this what did I do?”

You went right when I did what embossed. It was like 22 ammo crisis. Yep.

All my life I'd always bought like a little box of 22 shells. The minute there was an ammo crisis

I'm like I need three bricks right. Yeah no I went out of the sky. How many of these things I got? How many do I need to buy? Um the reason tungsten is is like a highly coveted materials it's very dense, very hard, very heat resistant and it's like beyond Turkey ammo it's used in defense and military systems aerospace electronics industrial applications um and so the main drivers of the the supply problem are is China who kind of controls 80% of the global supply and

terrorist on Chinese tungsten are up 2 to 300% in the last year so so exports have dropped to nearly zero in the last year and on top of the China thing we got wars going on in Ukraine now new one in Iran and tungsten's used in Iran what's that Iran Iran tungsten's used in unrepearcing rounds missiles on other um high performance munitions. Just get the go back shooting turkies, you'll wait to get to that planet. And the thing that I this is something I didn't

consider is tungsten that's used in warfare is permanently removed from the global supply.

towards military allocation first like industry Turkey hunting that's all like way down the line.

“Oh turkians wait on the sand on. Sadly. Um but the department of treasury is like well it's”

good the turkians are safe Arab. Then we'll move on to munitions. And it's kind of tungsten's been defined as a critically strategic mineral. Really. Yep. So now we get to the TSS stuff. So most of them probably knows what it is but if you're not familiar tungsten's super shot which is mostly used by turkers turkey hunters and like really rich waterfowlers will use it too. You ever use that stuff. Tungsten's business for turk for waterfall. Um but that's rich guy anyway though.

So TSS is 95% tungsten tungsten's twice as dense as lead about little less. Um but what that means is a tiny number nine TSS pellet weighs the same as the number five lead pellet. So in a shell, a shotgun shell you get way more shell pellets per shell carrying way more energy over

“longer distances. And it's like like it's made a huge difference in turkey hunting. Like I personally”

can say it's like the biggest change in turkey hunting that I've seen in my life has been TSS ammo as far as like killing turkeys. Like killing turkeys with pellets to size a coarse ground black pepper. Yeah dude. And even at 60 yards like if you're steady and you're drawing a bead on a gobler like he's already you know he's already dead. Like he ain't walking away. What what would the how does it change the effective range compared to. I mean you might get lucky shooting

lead number five's in kill one at 60 yards because you get one pellet in his head. But you have it just pattern. Yeah it's right. Well you have twice as many pellets. Like I'm not uncomfortable shooting at a gobler at 60 yards. Great. Ballison dude. If I like I'll go back to the old I don't care. We're gonna get to that man. Um so last year 40 to 60 bucks for a box of 12 or 20 gauge TSS. This year you're looking at 80 to 100 in some cases up to 200. I've got like custom stuff. Yeah.

So now manufacturers are questioning like as a hunt at the average hunter are gonna pay 20 to 30 bucks a shell. And the thing is is like price they're gonna stay high or they're gonna keep going up inventory shrinking and it's just the price is just gonna keep climbing. So like the the days of like semi affordable TSS loads that like might be a thing of that. Like this is not a flip. You're not feeling like this is a blip. No, because it's like the supply is gears behind it. Like one

I saw a quote from one custom turkey manufacturer salt creek custom ammo. I bought them before. TSS is dead. Really good. And so if this happens man it's like not only the ammo thing but like I hunt turkeys with a 20 gauge. My kids have killed them with a 410. Guys are hunting them with 28 gauges now. So like these small more shotguns. Yeah the 410 as a turkey gun

became a turkey gun because it could just be like useless now. Yeah my kids killed a first turkey

shooting 410s. Yep with TSS. But even 12 gauge hunters like you said are probably gonna have to switch back to some kind of lead shot and just get better at bringing turkeys in close. If this is the case. We're better at ditch crawling. We're all TSS introduced to the turkey world. Like how long has it last? I started hunting with tungsten probably like in 2012 to 14.

“But that wasn't this TSS stuff. They were using like I remember having like a blend of five.”

We have like third degrees at some time. Yeah that's I still got a little stash there. But full on tungsten I don't know like eight years ago 68 years ago. Yeah when you started being able to just like buy you know when all the guys I hang out was started shooting number nine tungsten. Yeah that many years. No. So Brody as a fan of tungsten. Yeah I am too. When I started

using it my daughter's killed turkeys with 410 game changer. My daughter's actually shot nine times

with TSS and one hour of turkey hunting. And I had to strangle the only bird we got. Wow. Now I know you only want to buy one of them turkeys. I can tell you one thing. In that blind I was swear and worse than Donald was when he couldn't get his tags. Oh my god. When you it is a problem. When you're ammo. When you're turkey ammo the shell not the box. The shell costs more to turkey tag. Right that's a problem. Well right and when you're digging

blind rough stuff. And for people that aren't familiar. A box of TSS ammo is five shots. Right. Tell the max bar to part of them. The max hit the jackpot. Me and him were down in Nevada and

“found out. Well no one hunts that's I convince that's why he got turds. But they yeah they”

got a few. We were in found Nevada. I was in the hotel room Max wanders into some sporty good store and walks out of there with five no eight boxes of 410 TSS. We paid 30 bucks a piece for it. So that was it. That was last year. That was half that at that time I go. That's half off. And I look at I'm like that's more than half at that moment. And then tungsten exploded and he said he's going to sell me back a box. But Max is like I don't even need this stuff. I'm just

following it because he's hoarding that contributes to the problem. So does this change the calculus? Because when people look at expensive turkey shells like you mentioned if you're going to go waterfall hunting you're like it's a different thing. Yeah. Miss meth whatever you're going to just burn through some of them. But the justification for those super expensive shells was

“they performed so well. I don't really want to do it for turkey. Yeah. If you're only going to shoot”

a couple of times. Just whatever in people's head dude someone tells you it's like you know and you I don't know you just kind of you get like use of stuff. I'm going back to shooting as well. I'm going I sort of sell my dad's turkey and right. Right. I mean we killed tons of turkey. Yeah, but you forget so quickly. Right. And like it's just you're going to ever shoot them with like number five copper plated. You ever have with those little nines you ever have somebody shoot like the breast still

you can. Yeah. You got it. Yeah. You got to make sure you can cross your teeth all the hell. Thank you Brody. Well I got one little thing. It's an add on to this about about Trump's tariffs. It's this is not just a TSS thing. The prices of other ammunition are also on the rise because ammo production kind of is also like a global thing. Nitro cellulose, a gun powder ingredient, is sourced internationally. And US tariffs on imports are increasing the cost of raw materials

and finish ammo. As an example, ammo companies that it's like a thin margin so they can't absorb these tariffs. So ammo manufacturers are reporting a 15% price increase over since 2024. And an example is bulk 9 millimeter has gone from 23 cents around and mid 2025.

So less than a year to 35 cents around right now. So yeah, that's almost like a third.

Yeah. There's actually 50% increase. It's war on shooters. So there you go. The top 12 gauge TSS round at Bass Pro right now is $19 a shell. And the 410 ammo is all about half price of the 12 gauge. Dude, that'll make it. You know, it's going to lead to his people not shooting his mate Jake's man. I mean, I'm going to do like 20 bucks. I'll be back in the glory day. I can affect me. I'll still shoot him. Right. Me too.

I overbearing newcom for some Oklahoma bare news. Yeah. Did I earlier say Arkansas bare news? I believe I did. You did say. I'm going to redo the whole beginning. Listen, no, won't know what I'm talking about. Wow. Well, uh, so house bill 4128 is a new

bill, uh, proposition in Oklahoma. And basically what they're proposing is an extension of the

Oklahoma bare season by two weeks earlier. So if you if you bait bears in the southeast, you know,

“that is a huge difference because baiting success is entirely dependent on when the acreage drop.”

Okay. It's a historic acreage. Okay. I'm following. It's uh, the season has historically started on October 1st. We're going to want to bump it up to September 15. So usually it starts after the acreage drop. They're wanting to bump it a full two weeks to before the acreage drop. When they're more susceptible to bait. Right. Right. Because your father has told me, he's like, it doesn't matter what you're using for bait. One say it can get acorns. They're out of there.

They want acorns. Yeah. More donuts. Yeah. And so, and then they want to bump the bear quote up

by 300%. And the truth is is that Oklahoma could afford to take a few more bears. The bear

population is doing really well. But it is just super abrupt and super aggressive. And what's happening is, uh, the house representative Scott Fettgatter, he he's the one pushing the bill. And if you if you watch some of the the meetings and the hearings, he's talking, he he brings his own evidence for how much how many bears can be taken out. All his evidence is from Kentucky, the

That's where he's pulling his management data from. Right. Whereas Oklahoma has one, and that's

Arkansas. And so it's if you in the meetings, I watched a clip right before this where he was talking about all of his evidence that he's gathered for why they should push the season up. And the issue is is this there's a whole there's a whole uh, this guy shouldn't be the one who's doing the science to manage the bear population. It needs to be the the gaming fish commissions and the

“wildlife department. Um, and so it's just like the bill itself isn't a massive deal. Like I think”

if the bill goes through a bunch of bears get killed like we just won't kill as many bears and they'll have to adjust from there. But what it's doing is it's setting the precedent for

legislators to be able to to to make laws based on self-interest. Yeah. Like the agency is like

our research, our modeling shows that this is and I should clarify this. If you have an agency that's a good steward and a good pro-hunting agency and the agency is like this is what we're comfortable with. And then a lawmaker goes we should be killing a bunch more right based on my own home research job. So I'm going to use your you you eggheads at the agency and and here's my proposal. Yeah. And the crazy thing is is that the uh, the bear commissioner or the the bear coordinator just got

approved to do a two-year study uh on the bear population and in two years we'll have really scientifically based numbers on what the harvest can be. You mentioned earlier like they could probably afford to shoot a few more, but it's not a big population. No, and they can't afford to shoot

“300 percent more. That's for sure. Like you said the season would go from two weeks long to how long?”

It would open two weeks earlier. Okay. So and that's when all the bears are killed is in that

first week, usually. And uh yeah, so it's just it's just lack of science based. What is his motivation?

Like here's here's a quote from him that this representative. What's his name? Fat getter? Yeah. Yeah. Here's a quote from him. We look at bears is cute, cuddly little animals that we can sleep at night with, but the reality of it is they're very dangerous. Yes, really is what question. But is that like what is his motivation? That that's the he a big hunger question. He's a deer breeder. And so that this where it kind of gets interesting is

he's a deer breeder. And I think a lot of people would be familiar with the CWD bill that is

“about to get pushed where essentially private landowners can buy deer that are captive bread deer”

that are perceivably immune to CWD. Yeah. And then release them into the wild. Which that's a whole another conversation. But so he's a deer breeder and there's here's word on the street. This is kind of some speculation. So I don't I don't want to say this as fact. But this is word on the street. Okay. There's a there's a rumor. This is a rumor. This is a rumor. It's a rumor. There's another deer breeder in Oklahoma. And he is the one who originally or not originally,

but he's he's pushing really hard for the bear bill. Okay. And for the CWD bill. But fat gatter. I mean it would make no sense for fat gatter to put his name on the CWD bill because he's a deer breeder. God. But this other guy rumors they're really good friends and this other guy hates bears because they're eating his fonds and they're getting on his property. Okay. He has a property that is surrounded on three or four size national forest, which if you if you got a

property surrounded by national forest in southeast Oklahoma, there's going to be a bunch of bears. Okay. And so he's pushing for the CWD bill and the bear bill really hard. And so my question too was also like what's what's the motivation behind it? Yeah. And I've not gotten a concrete answer, but my personal speculation would would be to think that he's just a deer hunter who doesn't like the bears kill on the deer or he's under that impression that bears are just wiping out

your population. Or he's a bear hunter and he realizes that if he had two weeks earlier hunting, he'd have a better bear season. Yeah. It's true. That's another another thought. But he also like the you know he would have it would benefit him massively to be able to sell captive deer as well. Yeah. And I wonder if he's not just like a deer hunter who wants the Oklahoma genetics maybe to to be influenced to to have better genetics and Oklahoma or you know it's it seems

like his mind is only on the deer not the bear. So what's your look like what's your take on the

needs to be slower. I mean like the season might could afford to be bumped two weeks up. But to do

“that all in one year and then to bump the quota up by 300 percent is just way too fast to be doing”

something like that. And I just don't think that the house representative needs to be doing the research and needs to be pushing for a bill like that. That needs to be done inside of the wildlife department. You did okay for more incremental approach coming from the biologists and a more scientific approach. And what this bill is is it's just a broader representation of what's happening all across the country. Just lack of science based management and there's just a lot of a lot of

politics and opinions getting mixed in with wildlife regulations. It's a theme. It's a theme.

You get frustrated with the state agencies and they find work rounds, bowel initiatives, whatever.

Yeah. Well, Randall's going to touch on a few bare hunting issues too. Thank you.

“Yeah. Quick update from Washington. They released a game management plan,”

which is like a dock. It's a long, very long document that provides recommendations to game and fish commission. And we know in Washington that there have been issues with individuals associated with the commission being in technistic towards hunting and fishing. But one of so there's no concrete changes yet as far as I'm aware. But as part of this game management plan, there's a sentence in it where it describes like the other sort of wildlife

values associated with bears. And it makes mention of potentially delaying the fall bare season until after Labor Day. Because as we all know Labor Day is a good weekend for wildlife viewers to go out and look at bears. And so they want to avoid folks out there with their binoculars and their picnic baskets watching bears get shot. I guess this came up in some sort of earlier policy debate and it had gone away. And then it's sort of mysteriously this language mysteriously

resurfaced in the game management plan. And it seems to have caught the attention of sportsman's groups after this game management plan was published. But I know there's a lot of folks worked up about it. And not only just like out of self interest, but it sort of poses hunters as antagonistic towards other public land users, you know. And I was free. And anyone who's familiar with that era, sorry, with that area, like bear hunting in that state, this is, this is

make believeland that there's conflict between these like wildlife viewers and bear hunters. This is make believe. Right. And so most units, I guess, open currently August 1st or August 15th. And so if you were to push that back after Labor Day, that's basically cutting a month off the season. And it is early season. Yeah, it is early. But

“also, I think like the context of them losing the spring bear hunt, not all that long ago,”

is still their fresh wounds about that. And yeah, I'm not, when I, when I bring up that it's early. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I'm not saying that like I'm not saying they should change it. I'm

saying, if, if it was otherwise, if it was, if it was always, otherwise, always a month later,

people would never look and be like, what, what gives, why is your bear season so late? Because that's kind of like bear season, right? Like they have a very early fall bear season. And I was reading some commentary on this. And there was a guy who made a great point. And he said, he said, I'm like a total backpacker, public land user, what you would call like an REI type. Yeah. And he said, I'm also hunter. And he said, when I'm a hiker and I run into hunters on the trail, we engage and have a positive

like discussion and sort of like build that bridge. And he said, when I'm hunting, I run into other hikers on the trail. And it's a good opportunity for us to like build that again, build the bridge between those two communities. And so he's like, just the idea that we would try to separate out hunters from other public land users, even if that's not the intention. He's like, I just think in the long run. So I thought that was a great point. We had just something to keep an eye on.

I don't know when their season setting takes place or when, if there will be, like, action taken on this suggestion. But there's a lot of similarities here between like the wildlife commission and Colorado and the wildlife commission and washing. And it stings, they haven't

that's a kick to the nut. Yeah. Yeah. So that's some, obviously, like something to keep your

“eye on some disheartening news. And then at the same time in Arizona, there's a bill to redefine”

mountain lions and bears as predatory animals. So they would get lumped in with foxes, skunks, coyotes, and bobcats. Mountain lions and bears. Yes, but these are game animals. Right. Right. And I mean, I don't really understand, I guess there was a version of the bill earlier that included wolves in that as well. But currently, like, it just means that they would be like non-game animals. But they got an ESA protection right now. Well, that's, so that that's, I

think why it was cut out like the wolves were cut out of the bill. Yeah, the Mexican gray wolf and Arizona has ESA protection. Yeah. And I should have reached out to half of finger because it'll probably have a lot of thoughts to, to clear up my, so this is coming from, this is definitely coming from people who are, who are, who are concerned about predation on deer and elk. Yeah, that's, that's, and they want fewer predators on the landscape. And I think the pathway to get there's just

the deregulate, mountain lions and black bears into, like, coyotes. Yep. Um, treat them like

“berm and yeah. Yeah. And so I mean, that like, in a lot of states, that's what they were up until”

the mid 20th century, early 20th century, and they're reclassified as game animals. And that's done well for all these species, right? Like it's been key to their recovery in a lot of places. So yeah, I don't like, you know, that, what's funny about all this stuff, man, all stuff we're getting into is like, you know, bear talking about, well, they want to make a bear season bigger, right? And you look at that and you're like, oh, it's kind of problematic. So then someone is like, hey,

we want to make a bear season shorter, and your left going like, well, that seems kind of

problem. Because what you're always trying to weigh out when you look at this is you're trying

to lay out like, what are the motivations, right? What are the motivations of what people are driving at? And what happens when you take things to extreme? So like, the juxtaposition between the Washington move, hey, we're going to shorten bear season. You look like, well, you're motivated because you want to kill the whole thing. Like, the person that wants to do that doesn't want anyone to hunt any bears, right? And then you go down to Arizona and like, what's motivating that? The person that

wants to do that doesn't want any bears, right? Yeah. And so you're trying to like, look at like, who's got peer intentions aligned with, like, long-term wildlife management and long-term interests, the hunters. And so you can wind up being the agencies of those people. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, so you're looking to be like, well, it's just, but I'm saying, like, someone dropping in from another planet might be like, well, ha, why is it a problem that they're like

making a season bigger? But it's also problem that someone else is making a season shorter, like, which is right. It's like, which is right? It's who has in mind what goal are they pursuing? Yeah. And I think like, I was up at the Capitol his last January when there was a meal deer bill in the in the committee being heard about basically making it so that FWP couldn't shut down meal deer buck hunting during the rut if there were units that had low populations. And the

bill never went anywhere. But one of the committee members kind of stood up and grandstand it and said,

you know, how am I supposed to go back home to my district and tell these people that unelected bureaucrats are making decisions about their fish and wildlife? And I was just like,

“that's how it's supposed to work. Like, that's exactly how it's supposed to work.”

So I don't know, like, I kind of wish in some instances that like unelected bureaucrats run in the Supreme Court. Yeah. Like, like, like, like state legislators, I feel like are particularly susceptible to doing this and like stepping in front of the agency and trying to make season setting decisions are quoted. They were with your constituents pretty quick. I don't like it. Right. But in the big picture health of like this whole system that we benefit from. It's not a it's not a good thing.

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“a very contentious issue in recent years as we're seeing collapses and declines in certain fish stocks.”

Okay. When someone says bottom trolling and they're turning the use forward is like a drag or dragging. Okay. These bottom trollers of dragers are usually targeting large schools of high volume, low quality fish like Pollock, for instance. They got nets that they got nets to size the football fields. And the nets are weighted. So when you call them dragers, it's because they literally, this net system is heavily weighed and is literally

dragged along the bottom to where it like scrapes up crabs and stuff. You can do a real quick search on YouTube, just type in bottom trolling video and you'll see what these things do. It's pretty like eye opening. It's like if you're not breaking your garden or something, it rakes the ocean

“floor. So people have long looked at what are the detriments of all that of like habitat destruction”

from drag and these nets. And also the buy catch in this industry hit some some pretty crazy levels. So annually, it's estimated that annually dragers are discarding

about 141 million pounds of buy catch. Okay. King Sam and Chum Sam and Hal a bit,

even killer whales. Okay. On the UConn right now. So think about like this. Like let's let's talk about King Sam and Hal a bit. King Sam and are in bad, bad shape. Okay. There's been a King Sam, like in indigenous people, I've been fishing King Sam and on the UConn River for 10,000 years. Right now, you can't keep a King Sam on the UConn. You can't grow wild. You cannot keep a King Sam and on the UConn. The dragers, and they have observers on board

counting buy catch. These are not guesses. The dragers are killing more kings as buy catch than make it to the upper UConn. Wow. There's a site you can go on. I was on the site earlier today. There's a site you can go on. You can track buy date the buy catch from the from the dragging industry, the trot the bottom trawling industry. Okay. This year. So 2026, as of, if you go on this thing, they got data up to March 7. Up to March

7, 2026, the dragers and off the Alaska's shorelines, they've killed 1.3 million pounds of

halibut. Most years, they're scratching off 3.5 to 4.5 million pounds of halibut. I got a question. And they will let me finish this point on that. And that's not counting the ones that are what's called deck sorted. We're how I removed and thrown back in. And some people estimate that 50% of those dies. So that number isn't even totally there. They'll hit in a year. They're going to hit 35,000 kings. Okay. So far this year, just in 2026, 10,800 kings as of a month ago,

10,800 kings. And you can't keep a king on you kind of go ahead. Those bottom trawlers are not set up to keep and use that buy catch. Like, like, no, they can't pull a king out and say, we're going to send this to market or a big album. No, this stuff, this stuff gets now I want

industries. Like, like, he's like a friend of a friend. He's probably pissed me right at this

“very second. He was talking about, he was making a point to me talking about the guys that work on”

the boat that when they come off the boat, they have pallets of fish to bring home. Purs for personal use. Yeah. And I don't even know if that's louder or not, pallets of fish, stable fish. But this stuff is getting kicked off. Okay. Now, there's a pole that's out. It was, I don't know who could duck through the pole. I haven't looked at the pole. There's a pole to thousand people and it could, I didn't read the wording on the pole and you can heavily

influence a pole by how you word a pole, right? And a really good polster builds questions that

aren't leading. I don't know what the questions are. I don't know how valid the polling date is,

but just some polar dating, polling data, suggesting that 74% of a last can's a pose bottom trolling. What, what happened recently, there's this open letter where five thousand a last can's

“wrote an open letter to representative Nick Beggich, who apparently had campaigned on raining in”

the bottom trollers. But since the election hasn't, in their mind, I don't know about the extent of this, and in this latter's mind hasn't, hasn't made good on the promise to rain in bottom trollers. I was reading a quote from a guy, like, the part of the reluctance of regulating bottom trolling or outright banning bottom trolling is people are like, yes, these fisheries are

impariled in collapsing, but we don't know all the causes. In since we don't know all the causes,

we shouldn't address any of the causes. And I was reading this guy's comment, he's like, let's say you got a little kid and he's got five McNuggets, and also he's got no McNuggets left. He gets five a day, but there's none. He learns that someone's throwing two in the garbage. He doesn't know where the other three are going, but there's two going in the garbage. Should he be like, well, I'm going to hold off. I'm talking to the guy that's throwing two in the trash.

While I figure out what's happened in the other three, or do you go like, okay, immediately, let's, let's stop the two in the trash and then we'll find out more about these other three. But that's, that's the logic. They have, so if you read about this online, you'll find these like pro bottom trolling op-eds, which are from the industry. They have their own lobbying wing, and they do the classic thing where they're like, it's out of state billionaires, out of state billionaires pushing to

ban bottom trolling, but the bottom trolling industry is by and large from Seattle. The five thousand letters that went into Nick Baggers were, were Alaskans. The people that bitch to me about it, I don't know how to stateers that know about this. The people that come to me and talk to me about the bottom trolling problem are commercial fishermen, long liners, charter captains, in Alaskan, talking to me about the bottom trolling problem. I'm not hearing it from out of state

billionaires. American seafoods is one of the biggest bottom trolling companies they're out of Seattle. But it's this classic. Oh yeah, these out of touch billionaires. It's like, are you telling me there's a bunch of out of touch billionaires talking about bottom trolling? Yeah, what would be their game? They would know. Right. I'm sure they talk about pandas and stuff, but then I have talked about this. Anyhow, that's a great update, Steve. Thank you. I do think, if I had to

crystal ball this, if I had to, it's like, it's like, I respect it. The people that want to keep that fishery going, they're defending their jobs, they're defending their livelihoods, they're defending their industry, they're defending the family, I understand it, but you are just, we are seeing culturally, we are seeing that these fisheries are in the climb. They're going down. It doesn't look good. If I crystal ball it, I think that this is going to wind up being when I crystal ball it,

I think in years coming, this is going to wind up being more regulated and potentially phased out. Yeah, because I mean, right now, it's just like, it's not even, they're killing other commercial

“fishery. It's not like a sport fishery. That's why I'm crystal ballant the way I am. Yeah.”

I'm crystal ballant the way I am because this has become divisive within the commercial industry. So it's not the commercial industry coalescing, right, in defending their own, it's other, other people, the pot industry, not the pot like weed, but like pot fishery industry, they're like, dude, you're making a problem, you know, or do you sponsor? The master's golf

prestigious golf tournament in the world. On the line is a $4.2 million prize, the green jacket

and honorary membership at a gust of national golf club. And the winner gets to pick the menu for the master's champions dinner the following year. Keep back up. Yeah. They win a membership and honorary membership. It's the hardest golf course to be a member at a world. But I would think those do that all be members. No, that's it's not good enough to just be rich and good at golf to be a member. It takes more than more than that, even. Yeah. So one of the rare things in life

to take more than that. This is like the second major time where we're going to be covering golf on the show. Oh, Brian Harvin wins this year. We're going. Yeah. So that that happens April 9th. And the winner gets to pick the menu for the master's champions dinner the following year. The master's champions dinner. It's an exclusive meal for the master's and the club chairman. Yeah. It's the oldest, widest group you've ever seen. No, we're just talking about it.

Was you watching on YouTube? Get the pleasure of this very stunning. This photo was from a year when Tiger did not attend because of one of his injuries. So it's for past winners and the club chairman about 30 some people attend this. You remember the dude who made the really racist comment about

“Tiger Woods when Tiger Woods won the master's? I think there were many dude to made comments.”

Yeah. About this. It was about the dinner. Oh, we'll get to that later on here. About 30 people attend this dinner each year. Not only does the previous winner set the menu, but he also pays for it. So you're you're footing the bill. Pick. Rory Mc'll Roy. He won the master's in 2025 and his menu for this year was just announced for the main course. You get to choose between a filet mignon

and the seared salmon. The first course is Yellowfin tuna Carpacho with Fogra. And for appetizers,

he has peach and ricotta flatbread bacon wrapped dates, which were inspired by his mom's recipe, rock shrimp, tempura and grilled elk sliders. Those grilled elk sliders will have caramelized onion jam with roasted garlic aoli. And although that last choice, you like this whole thing. Yeah. Yeah. It's surprise people. This has been covered by the today show. It's been covered by BBC. It's not out every year leading up to the masters. There's like a handful of storylines that

emerge and this this is one of them. When you say it's been covered, it's like they're picking the elk thing out. They're like you won't believe what Rory Mc'll Roy is serving at this year's

“masters dinner. But I heard that you think it's cool. Well, I think it's a ventrist too.”

I think it's cool. I think the master's a cool. I think Rory is cool. I think it's cool that he picked wild game. No, I said it was interesting. That that he picked Venice and I shouldn't say wild and they picked Venice. It's a farm animal. I understand that. I heard he said that wild game propelled him to victory. He's like, if I hung out in brothels, if I hung out in cathouses. And I'm on the championship. What I'd be like, love, love delivered me to this hand.

I agree with his quote. Like, wait, wait, wait. Like, thousands of hunters. Let's let's meet the master's eat thousands of pounds of wild. But here, I'm going to the master's show. I've only been here to share my story. Like, all of these leading real wild games. This guy's like, wild game fueled my run to the mask. It's far ahead of me. Of course it's farm man. But it's been, if one of the biggest sporting events in the world has headlines dealing with

Venice in, that's not a ventrist. That's not making wild elk or the places wild elk live more valuable. It's farm animals. It's still a headline. I don't understand. I heard that you

“thought it was cool. I think Rory's cool. I think the master's are cool. Okay. I think it's”

cool that he picked Venice. It still be news and thought it was dumb. Sure. Do you got more news? Oh, yeah. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. I have him. He got you this. I just said it was interesting. Rory said he knew that he was putting Venice and on the menu as soon as he won. Last May, he didn't interview with the today show. They asked him what he thought he'd be serving at the 2026 dinner. This was this quote that you guys have been

referring to quote. I've been into wild game recently. So Venice and elk stuff like that, that sort of stuff fueled this run is what he said. Sort of a thought right word to make the champion. Now fast forward to this year. He did put Venice in on the menu. He said he considered making it the main course, but decided to make it an appetizer instead because he worried that not everyone loves Venice in as much as him. Where's he from? He's American? He's from Ireland.

Is he maybe going to be serving up there red deer from over there? I was going to say that. No, it wasn't. I would assume it's like New Zealand, you know, Venice in. That was raised behind

it. Well, why'd you write down elk? Because it says elk is made. It's not the first time elk

everyone the master's got to pick the dinner. He served elk wild boar, sock I salmon, and Arctic char. And while Rory has a big list of hand picked wines on the menu this year, Mike Weir only did Canadian beers with his wild. That guy might have been using the real stuff.

“Yeah, because he has cleaned it up. He screams. How many guys is it in their 30s?”

Yeah. If you're just making a snack, maybe he could get some real, you know what? Well, send you the elk me. We'll give you the wild game for the next game. I'll give you enough. Right at home. Just send us roar. Right at home, Brian Harmon, Brian Harmon will give you all the Venice in you. What? Real me. Real outdoor wild meat. Wouldn't take that home. Brian Harmon beats this guy's bones.

It's Brian Harmon in this golf turn. It'll be there. That's right. I hope you win. I'll take some now. And then next year when they come out the menu, it's going to say real. Slider. That's this. This dinner has been a tradition since the 1950s. Here are some of the most notable things ever put on the menu. 1998, a 21 year old Tiger Woods

of a setting the menu after his first master's win. He was the youngest champion ever.

He served cheeseburgers, chicken sandwiches, french fries and milkshakes. He was ridiculed for his choice. And the next time he won in 2002, he instead served a porterhouse steak and sushi. When reflecting on his mind when reflecting on his 1998 menu, Tiger said, quote, I just went with what I like. It wasn't trying. I wasn't trying to be fancy or anything like that. 1989, Scottish golfer Sandy Lyle was setting the menu. He horrified his peers by choosing

haggis. If you're not familiar. That's a savory pudding made of sheep organs that's then cooked inside of a sheep stomach. It was reportedly one of the most rejected items ever served at the event. I don't think he would have been allowed to do real haggis because that was the amount. He's that was served in August. There's anyone. We'll have the lung in the next year. And then 2022, Hadecki Matsuyama puts together the most expensive masters champions dinner ever.

It was made to resemble a Michelin dining experience in Tokyo. The menu featured a full spread

of sushi and sashimi for appetizers, miso glazed black coffee for the first course.

A Wagyu rib eye for the main course and Japanese strawberry shortcake for dessert. The meal is estimated to cost $220 per person, which is $40 more than the next most expensive. At that dinner, that's it. I would think it'd be a lot more than I do. That's not what I want to go to. That's a good idea. By the way, it's a soccer. I'm having. We're thinking in 2026 menu prices. Right. In 2022, $220 would be like, okay, they're just sourcing the ingredients at that point. They're

not paying the white staff and the chefs. I went to the masters a few years ago and Brian was walking and I said, I was explaining to the people I was with, how he's a big turkey hunter. I'm like, I'm going to do a turkey call and see if you notice. He must have been 100 yards away. Sure. It's a real turkey call. No, just with my mouth. Is pretty good. He snapped his head around and looked.

He never identified. I don't think where that turkey call was coming from. But it was a moment

in his day walking around and he heard a turkey. Was that before after he came on the podcast? That was afterwards. I want to tell him to listen to this tomorrow. I could see there being some big goblers around. No, no, the masters has some lore around like there's not even birds there. You know, you don't even see squirrels. Well, yeah, it's just like that manicured. Every blade of grass is thought of.

“Do you remember when does that little scandal that they were bumping bird noise?”

Yes. They were bumping in bird noises and then something bird was like, "Hom, that bird doesn't live around there." They got busted for bumping in big bird noises. He was watching on TV and he heard a bird that's not present in Kentucky or wherever they're going. Yeah, that's right. That bird is not there. That's a fake bird noise. Another good news for Cornell's Merlin.

We have a masters inspired recipe on themeedeter.com. Oh, it's Chef Lucas leaves fish sliders with Pemento cheese. Pemento cheese sandwiches have been famously served at the masters since the 1940s. So this is Lucas's take on that which includes croppy and a slaw. That was a hell of a report. Thank you. Wow. It's a doozy, passionate. Who is it like the last? And he had to fight for it, too.

“That's great. Yeah, I was fighting for my last slice. That's what makes a good report.”

There's channels that have mastered this thing. You know, like the news is all meant to make you mad. And that Spencer's style, you know, he made he has news that makes you mad.

Golly. Sliders.

“Hell can crop these sliders. We've been both in.”

All right. They're really nice to join in. See you next time.

No way. Oh, we can do a Korean. We can get that angle. Just see us ruined everything. Don't hang up. Just yet. We've been taught. We hope you've heard about. We've taught about our 12 and 26 video program. So 12. We're doing like every month. We got a big, you know, almost hour long premiere video coming out. It's called 12 and 26. So if you're not too sharp,

I hope you explain it. There are 12 months in 2026. Each of those months will be allocated a

premier long form video project. This month is Clay Nukem's Utah Mountain Lion hunt. Also bear, tell them about bear grease YouTube. Yeah. Well, we started uh, well, we, we jump started uh YouTube channel. That's now the bear grease YouTube channel. Um, I've been running it for about a month now, a little over a month. And we've got a little bit of a different style content than what you're seeing. You've been from meat eater. Yeah. You can call that. You know, it's fun.

Real low brows. I did a, I did a video on on falconry and the falconers that I went with. They were like, when is Steve going to cover falconry? Because do you know about this? Yeah, I know

“all about this. So anyway, that's what I mean, different style content. Hopefully that's, that's”

Dungeons and Dragons. Hi, I'm split a little bit of time around falconers last year. And I 100% see what you mean. We're about. We're the ones Steve versus D&D types. So they like, they were legit. Okay. Well, you, I'm not saying you're illegitimate if you're D&D. It's just different path. Right. Right. Right. Right. Well, they were, they're like, woodsmen. I'll put it like there woodsmen. Yeah. But I see. I mean, like, June is not like Steve and D. Right. Right. You know,

“60% of of falconers are, I would say are exactly like that. Did you measure that scientifically?”

No, just kind of observing. But anyway, we've got. So that's not healthy. That's not healthy. It's just cool. Yeah. And, yeah. So we've, we've got the YouTube channel going. We've got a video coming on Friday. So by the time this airs, that'll be tomorrow. There's a video coming tomorrow where we all come up with. They'll burrs be an Evan falker. Okay. On murals and horses. Did you go on that? Yeah. Jeff on. Oh yeah. That one's a good guy. Yeah, he is. He is. But anyway,

Bear Grace YouTube channel, go check it out. All right. Thanks, guys. See you next week.

Never stop screaming. You're late. But I ran out of breath. So I took in some more. And I started

to screaming louder. The screaming goes on for hours and days. So if you die, love is forever. That I'll probably be screaming that love. I'm trying to be cool here, but inside I'm screaming so. [Music]

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