Dr. Marty Makary and Dr. Mark Hyman - Megyn Kelly's "Double Feature" of Fascinating Interviews

the least. Hey everyone, I'm Megan Kelly. Welcome to the Megan Kelly show and today's double feature special episode today.

Two health and wellness conversations first with Dr. Marty McCary.

Back when he was the head of the FDA on the Mahapri Ortiz of the administration. And then functional medicine, Dr. Mark Heiman, co-founder of Function Health, a really

“important conversation here in the studio.”

Enjoy and we'll see you Monday. We are at the FDA today speaking with the new commissioner, Dr. Marty McCary. I got to tell you, it was freaky walking into this building because they've been so demonized. They've demonized themselves over the whole COVID regime and the craziness of the past five years to walk in here and like look around like these are some of the people who participated

in this is sort of eerie. But the good news is there's a new sheriff in town and Dr. Marty McCary is the real deal. He's a surgeon, scientist, has devoted his life to public health. He's the son of a doctor. He's a doctor.

He's at the Johns Hopkins hospital. He was performing surgery right up to the day. He went in and started this job the day before. So he's had a lifelong interest in medicine and in public health more generally and has been very honest about things that are controversial like COVID and was an early sear on the things

that the medical establishment was doing wrong and was totally fearless and speaking out against it with absolutely nothing to gain and actually a lot to lose. And that is how he became one of the trusted voices along with Dr. Jay Bata Charria of Stanford who's running NIH and of course then there's Bobby Kennedy not a doctor but a lawyer who is a top them all as he runs HHS.

So this is Dr. McCary's first interview as FDA commissioner and there was a lot to cover. Like how is he going to deal with the people here who can't stand any of the men I just mentioned not to mention President Trump and how are we going to actually start enacting the Mahahah agenda that Kennedy and Trump and others have been pushing and talking about

for so long when it comes to our food never mind our drugs.

There's a lot to go over including the corruption that has gone on here for a long time with the revolving door of people working here, approving drugs and then immediately going to work at those drug companies working here and working with big pharma as they together decide whether the latest drugs should be approved. He's all over it. We get into all of it. Enjoy.

Commissioner Megan Kelly great to see you. I mean you were just on my set and you were just doctor and now look at you. You could have stayed in the private sector kept rolling in pretty good money and you decided

“to take this job which is an amazing thing for America but why?”

Well welcome to the FDA Megan it's great to have you out here. You know we are not on a good path as a country in terms of the health outcomes of the population. We do great with

sophisticated operations and amazing drugs that can treat certain kinds of lymphoma and

other types of cures but when it comes to the health of the population right now we have had this massive area that we're not talking about that we need to be talking about and that is the rise of all these chronic diseases. We've got one in six women now effect with autoimmune diseases, half of kids are sick, pre-diabetes affects about 20 percent of teens, 70 percent of kids are not qualified for the military so we've got to start

talking about our problems and not just keep throwing medications at them. Cause is and not just possible cures which often don't turn out to be anything of the source so let me start here you've been here 17 days. Day 17 today. All right so what are the biggest things that you've learned so far? What's

“jumped out at you as a civilian who now suddenly is in government service?”

Well I got to be honest with you I had a lot of emotions though last day I was in the operating room that day before my Senate confirmation hearing and so it's an entirely different world here I am on a listening tour we're talking to the career scientists we're trying to make sure they have all the resources they need to do their job well. We're trying to change the culture here to make it more of a teamwork culture it's been very siloed each of the

centers has developed their own fifth them with their own communications department and lawyers and lobbyists for congress and IT departments and the IT systems don't talk they're on different systems so that's why you have you know veres and fares and cares and 10 different

right now trying to assess the lay of the land and then we're also trying to change the

“culture to a culture of teamwork the scientific gold standard and common sense working together”

and that is our goal right now. In medicine in general there's this divide a push pull right now between sort of the old school doctors and the new functional medicine doctors the new maha push and there's some resistance between the two I don't have to tell you that are you seeing any that reflected here do you think the folks here are open-minded to maha and functional medicine and doing things a different way. We need both we need you know

somebody who is a highly subspecialized pancreatic specialist we need people who think broadly think functionally and think about the fact that 90% of type two diabetes is curable by changing what you eat changing what you eat can actually take care of a certain type of rash that somebody develops almost as good as some of these expensive biologics in certain circumstances so we need people we think differently we need fresh new ideas we need the old guard to ensure

that we hold to rigorous scientific methodology and we need fresh new ideas at the same time so we're trying to bring all of that together now and people have forgotten that the FNFDA stands for food and so that is a major focus with Secretary Kennedy in this administration. Right

we're always so focused on the D especially on the heels of COVID and we think of the FDA most of us

especially on the right poorly because we feel like we were railroaded and doing things we didn't want to do and especially you know before COVID there was the opioid crisis and the FDA's rule

“in that so it has a bad rap I think generally with many in the country so how do you turn that”

around? Well I mean we're still really back from some of the disastrous health care corruption that the government was involved in the food pyramid one of the greatest pieces of misinformation put out there that has informed school lunch programs that has informed what people define as healthy and so we now have a group that's reevaluating the nutrition guidance we have a Mahah commission that is going to be putting out a massive report that doesn't just

talk about calories and calories out it talks about food ingredients and chemicals that don't appear in nature that are going down the GI tracks of our nation's children every day non-stop and it may not be one ingredient that is driving some of these chronic diseases may not be one ingredient involved in attention deficit disorder it may be accumulative burden of all of it so

“we're we're now taking a much wider view and you mentioned the opioid issue that probably”

is the quintessential example of what's wrong with a cozy relationship when the regulator agency is captured by the industry the person who literally authorized oxycontin then went to work for Purdue farmers right exactly and you worked here the authorized oxycontin he approved a label that suggested it wasn't really that addictive if at all and then after he left here he went to work for Purdue farmer the great work he held sweetheart deal and that label was illegal in my opinion

it was it was an indication for chronic pain for round the clock long-term use and it was

based on a 14 day study and so that kind of mistake can result in a million Americans losing

their lives and when you don't have good post approval monitoring as this agency has not had you discover things decades later we discovered viox killed maybe 38,000 plus Americans years after was approved we discovered a million Americans died of opioids and overdoses over a decade after the oxycontin label was given why weren't we monitoring in real time people who were getting it immediately after approval in part the answer to that question as we

couldn't do it we didn't have the data it was too sophisticated you'd have to have everybody registered in a study now we have giant big data from electronic health records nationally now we can have our researchers and universities go in there and look at everyone who has taken a new medication match to somebody who's similar who is not taking that medication and look at the adverse event rate and ask is it working is there a safety signal when you don't do that people

get suspicious and they are suspicious about the cozy relationship sometimes that results in approvals and they're also suspicious when they hear stories and they don't have hard data you don't have great rates about certain complications when you just have self-reported data

was due to the COVID vaccine or I'm stressed out that's right and in the in the void of good

scientific data every opinion fills that void so we can do a better job and if we have good post approval monitoring of drugs and devices then we can also tell companies hey instead of doing two randomized controlled trials to get your drug on the market how about one and we'll take a close look in the post approval monitoring how the drug is doing in real-time immediately after it's approved

“and that's particularly important when you're talking about rare diseases when you talk about”

genetic deforming issue that affects 52 kids in the world and that's a real thing there is a condition effects there's you or 15 kids that's also a real thing you can't expect the

company is to do a randomized controlled trial you'll kill innovation you'll kill investment in those

innovative ideas you've got to say hey this is a very difficult condition it's incurable it's fatal it's a permanent disability we're going to customize the approval process to the condition and so we're going to be rolling out a new pathway for drugs which is a pathway based on a plausible mechanism if there's a rare condition or a condition that's incurable that affects a small number of people we may be approving drugs based on a plausible mechanism on sort of a

conditional basis let's say there's a condition that affects 75 people in the world and there's a

“new treatment that makes sense physiologically the mechanism is scientifically plausible that this”

treatment would help these individuals and once forcing these medications on these individual if they want to try these these new medications even though we don't have a randomized controlled trial because it's not feasible we will allow that and at the same time monitor everybody who gets it so that we can make inferences as soon as the data speaks with a signal in the data well that I like the sound of that one of the questions I had when you were going over like vaccine VAERS which is the vaccine

website where you go to upload your negative consequences people know it from COVID is aren't those things only as good as the people who monitor them because you and I've talked before we talked throughout COVID with doctors like Manipur Sad who's a big fan of years about the Myocarditis that we

were seeing especially in in young teenage boys as a result of the vaccine especially the second shot

and then the boosters and those things were being uploaded to VAERS but we weren't getting red alert warnings from the FDA and so this is one of the reasons people don't trust the FDA like there's an agenda they don't want to tell us about this negative side effect because they're much more concerned with forcing us to take the shot there's been look there's let's be honest there's been an epidemic of distrust and part of it is warranted and when you don't want to look at

complications the complication rate looks lower than it really is and it makes products look safer than they really are and so in the case of VAERS you have something that could suggest

“it's a screening tool it could suggest that there's an issue but you have to do a rigorous evaluation”

if you don't follow up with a rigorous evaluation that screening tool is not very useful so if you don't want to know exactly but aren't the same people all here who didn't want to know when it was your predecessor and it was the Biden administration we're going to know we're going to do intense comprehensive research and that's why if we have massive electronic health record data which we now have through something called the health information exchange we can have

researchers go into there and look at real world complication rates so we're not relying on self-reported data from which you can make no inferences about rates that's just a basic scientific methodology principle when you have a couple people saying hey I had this or I had this you can't infer what the rate is that is the frequency per unit time but when you have comprehensive data which we only have now because of cloud storage ability we couldn't do this 10 years ago we have now

tremendous big data where we can go in there and look at here's a hundred thousand people who took this product let's follow them in the data de-identified to protect privacy and look at how many people came back to the hospital not just came back to the hospital with myocarditis coded but who came into a clinic and said my chest hurts that when you when you have good methodology capture of outcomes now you're looking at real rates will that happen because

there since Kennedy took over and FDA is under Kennedy at HHS people should know when he took over a guy named Peter Marx who was here it's FDA's former top vaccine regulator well he was forced out

his resignation letters of forced resignation reportedly he said let's become clear that truth and transparency are not desired by the secretary but rather he wishes subservient confirmation of his misinformation and lies he accused secretary Kennedy of undermining confidence in well-established vaccines and then he accused secretary Kennedy wanting to access and directly edit verse which the FDA oversees saying we don't trust them he was an exploitive they would write over

the data or erase the whole database so I don't know what he's suggesting here that secretary Kennedy would go into verse it seems to me it'd be more like the people who are pushing the vaccines on us who would go into the VAERS database and erase things but you tell me whether

“secretary Kennedy and you should have access to VAERS and actually start figuring out whether”

I mean there's still parents who are getting their teenage boys the third the fourth shot

of the COVID VACs not knowing about the myocarditis I mean if you follow the guidelines as they've been written to the to these act letter a 12-year-old healthy thin and girl should be on her eighth COVID VACs seat mRNA booster shot and so secretary Kennedy is called for gold standard science and I can tell you and about a chariot will tell you the same thing at the NIH as he is post-questions but he is not engaging in the details of how real-garious scientific methodology should be conducted

he's posting questions as is most of America right now again I don't think there's as a good database because it is self-reported and not rates on Peter Marks I can tell you that

and I never knew the guy I never met him he resigned before I came to office some people

“like some of the things he did and some people had concerns with some of the things he did”

one of the biggest concerns of course was that he pushed out the two top scientific vaccine experts here at the FDA and this call came out in a house judiciary hearing last summer the two top vaccine experts at the FDA were pushed out by Peter Marks it's not opinion it's in the congressional hearing and as every call they were objecting to certain things that seemed arbitrary like mandates for children vaccines for six-year-olds that kind of thing exactly they had concerns

according to their testimony they had concerns over the COVID mRNA booster repeat strategy as a mandate in children and as you know some people have said it makes no sense we don't have good date on the risk benefit profile the two top vaccine career scientists at the FDA Dr. Gruber and Dr. Krause had the director and deputy director of the vaccine research center here at the

“FDA were forced out by Dr. Marks so you know sometimes you have to block out some of the noise”

where now he's taking a you know a different view I never met the guy but that's those are the

different ideas people have on people there's a lot of talented people who can do that job well a lot of very smart people who are right now who are applying for that job my guess and knowing you is you want people who welcome that kind of questioning let's have more questions let's search that up let's run that down not somebody who like we've had shuts down any questioning that doesn't tow the party line we're not going to be shutting down ideas ideas that may be different from

my ideas we should welcome that sciences based on challenging deeply held assumptions where there's no good evidence what we call medical dogma that is the scientific process and so we shouldn't be shutting down other ideas we should be inviting them and that's why we're going to be having roundtable expert panels FDA expert panels on menopause and hormone replacement therapy on a whole host of topics I'm queuing up a clip because I want to jump back to some reforms you're

starting with and one of the big issues we touch on a minute ago people like Curtis Wright he's not the only one to leave the FDA and go right into big pharma almost every commissioner does Scott Gottlieb he was under Trump he was the FDA commissioner went right off to Pfizer he came on my show and tried to tell me nothing to worry about with any side effects as he's working for Pfizer it's like we know we can't trust these people so a what are we going to do about those people and

b is there anything else we need to worry about because it's not just people who are at FDA and leave it's also panels of big pharma representatives who oversee the process as a drug gets approved here at FDA when Curtis Wright approved the original FDA level was your internal pushback oh yeah Diane's initial email him that produced less addictive claim sounded like bullshit

so Curtis Wright is the FDA medical review officer who approves an unprecedented label

“for Purdue and then he goes and works for Purdue so do you think there's quit pro quo”

with Purdue to grant such generous wording yeah well I get that it has the appearance of the

corruption but it's possible there wasn't what first Wright did is the way the industry works it's

revolving for where as soon as people leave the government they go and work for the exact people they were regulating for five times the money and it's all evil what appears to be corruption is simply up the system works what if anything is being done about that well we have to do two things number one is we have to partner with industry and pharma to facilitate the process to make it user friendly and expeditious we shouldn't be in a receive-only mode we want American pharma companies

to do well and companies that do business the United States to do well but the scientific evaluation

“needs to be independent and that's why today we're announcing we're removing industry members”

pharma members from FDA advisory committees I was shocked what I learned that employees of big pharma companies sit on FDA advisory committees as members of those committees so we're going to be replacing them whenever statutorily possible with patients and family givers family caregivers we're going to be inviting pharma companies to center representatives to the advisory committees but they can sit with the rest of the public and watch and post questions as the rest of the

American public can so so that speaks to it's it's not it doesn't stop at FDA or is leaving and going directly to big pharma to work pushing the drugs they just approved while government employees it's also while the FDA is approving those drugs big pharma right now has a role

in pushing for it in advising the people who are the decision makers and so on that second piece of

it at least right now you're stopping that we're stopping that in for every committee where we can buy statutes and we're replacing them with patients and family caregivers and the idea is that there should not be a cozy relationship there should be a a user friendly process for industry but not a cozy relationship because let's be honest a lot of people the United States feel that the system is rigged a lot of people feel that the relationship is too cozy between pharma and

regulators and so this is an agency that belongs to the American people and so we can work with pharma and at the same time ensure that scientific evaluation process is totally independent and on those advisory committees the pharma and device members those advisory committees will say that they're non-voting members but that is a sort of a close club of individuals that has a running dialogue and they meet and they become they become friendly and it's okay to be friendly but we need

the scientific evaluation the voting to be totally independent and so people ask are you anti-pharma

or pro-pharma and the reality is we're pro-pharma but our evaluation has to be independent

and we cannot have any more indications for chronic pain written for a drug based on a 14 day study where the regulator then goes immediately works for the company that's the kind of

“thing that breeds distrust and that's why people perceive that this agency the FDA has been captured”

by industry and it is not captured by industry it is owned by the American people right now. How do we stop the the first problem with all the FDA commissioners and the top head hunches doing their stint government service and then going out to work for a big pharma like they did in the Purdue pharma case with Curtis Wright and making five times more. I don't know we live in a free country I do know some of these individuals and they are good people and I have they're all

guys children they're doing what the market incentivizes but when it comes to their influence on the operations of the FDA that is something that we cannot tolerate we cannot have people who leave as regulators go to the industry and we've thought about an ethics pledge we've thought about all kinds of things it's non binding because we live in a free country you don't you can't control someone after they leave an employer but what we can do is create a culture here where people

want to stay we can ensure that people who leave don't have undo influence and so many of the former I have a suggestion for you yeah if somebody leaves the FDA and goes to work for one of the

that company's drugs during their tenure or the previous five years and it should kick in an automatic

“review on that drug and the approval. When I got this nomination for the job I cannot tell you how”

many lobbyists former members of Congress this swamp reached out to me this is the swamp I mean I was in the operating room in the next day I discovered what the swamp you were swampy surrounded by the swamp creatures and immediately this is how it happens we want to help you with your confirmation we want to write a letter on behalf of our company to the senators on your committee we know these senators we're gonna talk to them if it's okay with you and you know what I

said don't talk to the senators I don't want your letters they're not for free those are obligations

that then you feel indebted to return once you're in office and I'd rather not get confirmed

into this job than have those obligations right on and you were confirmed you're the only Trump nominee that's had as many Democrats cross over to support you you've gotten more than anybody

“I think it was a 5644 yes it literally should be nothing political about the FDA we're talking”

about values look Republican Democrat independent moms came out and voted for president Trump and they believed in Secretary Kennedy's Mohammed there's literally nothing political about looking at the influence of food colors and ingredients and evaluating the grass standard and getting infant formula without seed oil and added sugar and rewriting our nutrition guidelines which we're

doing right now these these are the most apolitical things in society of course you're gonna have

media try to spend things of course but I think people see through that on the food my daughter turned 14 this past Monday and I was baking her a cake and I went I mean I just got the Duncan Heinz I'm not gonna lie I can't do anything from scratch but then I just took a moment to look at what was in the icing you know with which you would use to write happy birthday everything in there was red dye number this yellow dye number that green dye number this and I

thought this is this could alternatively read carcinogen X carcinogen Y and I that's where I drew the line I I'm sure there were tons of seed oils and so on in the cake itself but my point is how does that even make its way under the shelf where the vast majority people have no idea that all those dies that are in our food but not in the Europeans can cause cancer and so I'm giving my child cancer for her 14th birthday which is a no what I don't understand is if there's enough

preliminary data to suggest that there may be carcinogenic effects or genomic disruption or associations with attention deficit disorder or and whole plethora of families that are saying hey once we started eliminating these food petrochemical food colorings from the food of my child their behavior improved when you have enough of that it's not look they're not giant randomized control studies over 10 years for each food dye we're not going to get that but when you have enough

preliminary data to suggest these petrochemical food dies are concerning who then would conclude you know what let's just risk it it's fine we'll wing it will be you know the kids will prop maybe fine why why do that right when we have all of these chronic diseases increasing rate for enterprise that were rare a generation ago one in 22 boys in California now has autism I mean when you have see these statistics who says you know what it might be some of these ingredients

have been suggested Europe doesn't have them they don't need them the food prices are not higher because they use bee juice care juice and waterbelling juice I know you had Bonnie Harry on

“she's a great champion for the we're taking a close look at this and I think you're going to”

hear some action in the coming weeks on this before we go to the autism because Kennedy made news on that too on the drugs it's fun to demonize drug companies because we're all kind of checked off I think about the COVID vaccines and so on not all but many of us however they're not all bad they do make some drugs that have helped a lot of people America's drunk on ozambic but I mean like there are some actual you know serious drugs that can help people and so one of the concerns of

behind people who back big pharma is how much is all of this some of the stuff we're talking about going to slow down the approval process for new drugs or drugs and testing we're speeding up the approval process we made an announcement last week that we are reducing the requirements for some perfunctory things like animal testing why are we testing every single drug in chimpanzees and dogs usually beagles because they're obedient that's so sad it's sad and it's unnecessary some

in humans in other countries and were requiring animal testing before so we are now we've put out a

“release that we are now taking steps to reduce the animal testing requirement it's curled to the”

animal sometimes it's unnecessary and we live in a modern world where we have computational modeling using AI that can evaluate a molecule and predict its toxicity in humans better than the animal testing we also have something called organic chip technology where say liver cells are grown in the lab because they get terrible appetizer yeah I personally cannot deliver I've operated it on the liver too much it's one food I cannot do no one is organ out of chip yeah organ out of chip

not so in the lab they grow these cells and then they introduce the drug and you can actually see

whether or not it injures the cells better than if you inject some money rabbit that you

is not going to talk to you and say my liver hurts so these new technologies have the promise of

“replacing some of this routine animal testing you would cut six months out of that approval process”

you lower R&D costs for form of companies and inventors which could lower drug prices for every day Americans and it reduces animal use there's too much animal use are there any other areas where AI can come and help as we as we move into the you know 21st century yeah we're bringing in a team that is really exciting they're going to use introduce AI into the review process to help the reviewer to make the reviewers process work stream much more streamlined and summarize things

there are parts of the drug application that are so perfunctory that are outdated that could be streamlined that could be abstracted with AI to help the reviewer so here like all other aspects of government that Trump is taking on you're saying there's actually too much red tape

“that we're and we're red taping the wrong things it sounds like you're saying why does it take”

10 years to bring a drug to market in the United States because the regulatory steps I mean people are dying people need cures and meaningful treatments and the my predecessor in this role was focused as he stated is number one goal was fighting misinformation well our number one goal is delivering cures and meaningful treatments and healthier foods for Americans that's our that is our focus and so you've heard about consolidation or changes or cuts at the FDA those

were not cuts to scientists or reviewers or inspectors absolutely not they were cuts to communication staff FDA's lobbyist to Congress and to the IT systems here where there's a lot of opportunity for efficiencies yes there's been definitely there's been pushback on the the number of people who were ousted if think it was your predecessor who said the FDA's we know is is gone that the experts are gone people with decades of institutional knowledge have been turfed suggesting there

might now be a safety issue here there is a massive growth of FDA employees under the Biden administration and when the media reports that there were cuts which many were early retirement people took early retirement none were to scientific reviewers or inspectors or law enforcement at the FDA they were to IT communications legislative affairs and so what you're not hearing in the mainstream media is that there was a 100% increase in the number of FDA employees since 2006 you have about

18,000 and it's been cut about 3500 since you and Kennedy got here so you're saying we had more like nine thousand we had nine thousand five hundred employees at the FDA in 2006 oh wow and so when you doubled when you report that there were cuts and you don't report that there was a hundred percent increase in employees in the preceding years that the number of employees doubled in the preceding years that is misleading and the people who we've gotten rid of losing them is not going to slow

down drug approval or safety procedures because they were sounds like more administrative people there were no cuts to scientists reviewers or inspectors or law enforcement and my goal is to make sure that every one of those people has all the resources they need to do their job well

now cuts are never perfect and so we have done an assessment and there are some individuals

that we have invited back there were a couple people who were taking the early retirement and we were told of their sort of how well they performed here and we encouraged them to stay but to not report that the agency has doubled since 2006 before this cut in my opinion is not telling

when Secretary Kennedy came over and addressed the troops last Friday some people got up and walked out they were disgusted by him which seems like a bad sign yeah I was in that room nobody got up and walked out now we did stream it so if somebody was watching it in their office and got up to go to the bathroom during the speech maybe that constituted getting up and walking out I don't know I was

in that room and there was incredible energy in that room because he talked about how agencies

that are set up to defend public safety sometimes become captured by the organizations that they are set out to regulate and he talked about the EPA is how to history where they have cycled and at times have been captured by the industry and he encouraged people at the FDA to speak up think independently and that he had his full support behind them so it was an incredible talk and of course you're going to hear you know a clip or a phrase pulled out out of context but

I was in that room nobody walked out and it was incredibly as a strong message the FDA is strong and we're going to continue to be strong and that's because we believe in the scientists how's your relationship with Bobby Kennedy it's good you know I got to know him

during the nomination process and I found that he always listens to me he values scientists

on questions where he has you know some skepticism or he has some some honest questions that

“he wants to pose and I think that's what we need I mean first of all he represents America”

there are President Trump and Robert F. Kennedy Jr are the two most popular political people in the United States right now that's polling day that's not my opinion that's polling day and he is he represents the American people he has questions he wants the scientific process to run its course and so he's posting the questions and he values our opinion everything I've put before him he has valued my input on and so we're going to see new studies come out we're

going to talk about chronic diseases we're going to look at food and food ingredients and he's

provided some really great leadership I've been are we redoing the food pyramid we're redoing the food pyramid and God and you know no longer are we going to say it's you have to have these calories it doesn't matter how you get them didn't matter if it's all ultra-process foods it's just pure calories in pet calories that that dogma which had no scientific support was massively underfunded endeavor we let the industry tell us as a government what's healthy and what's now healthy and even

with the recent Biden administration suggestion to have front of package labeling they picked sodium

“saturated fat and added sugar in there I think they got maybe one thing right out of those for”

but they ignored a giant sloth of food ingredients and so when you ignore a thousand chemicals some of which are petrochemicals that have been introduced into the foods by simply because the industry has self-deem them as safe when you ignore that then you can't call something healthy just because it has a low amount of saturated fat that's old dogma Secretary Kennedy said this week that we are going to know what causes autism by September is that

crazy talk no people want to know a lot of parents have been dealing with kids with autism I mean one in thirty two kids in America today have autism we can't just keep medicating every kid was one in ten thousand in the nineties it was unheard of and the sort of repetitive motions that ticks the heavy the complete non-verbal chart where did you see that in the 1940s and 50s and so we have to look at everything and when you do science you can't say

hey we're going to do a study of what is causing this epidemic affecting one in thirty two

“kids but when you can't look at these potential causes that's not how science is that's what”

we've been saying for the record you're not saying it but people are talking it in part about vaccines because Kennedy has said it should be on the list of things we look at now his critics will say he's blaming it all on the vaccine he's blaming autism on the vaccine I've talked to him personally it's not what he says it's not what he says they're growing up in a toxic stew that's one of the many things and in particular like the aluminum that they put in it as a

preservative if we should be looking at everything they're consuming and we're forcing on them captain I don't I don't know what causes autism but I'm deeply concerned about the rise if I had to take make a hypothesis as a scientist not as a regulator but as a scientist and Dr. Bachari is going to be launching a very impressive study using electronic health big data that we're helping curate I think it is the cumulative burden of all of these exposures environmental

in mood and mental health is from bacteria in the microbiome that's where it's produced and when you

“mess up the microbiome when you carpet bomb the microbiome with all of these ingredients that”

don't appear in nature these are novel chemicals what are we doing so we've known for a long time as a scientific community that kids with autism have different stool composition different by a

diversity so when you look at the billion different bacteria that live in the microbiome

there may be an association between changing the microbiome and autism and things that are changing the microbiome that we've not yet fully appreciated and that could be a whole list of things I've heard you talk many times with me and others about and this stuck out to me because I had see sections but about how vaginal births are in some ways much better for the baby because it will help their microbiome like going through the birth canal is very helpful to a babies microbiome

but I was thinking about this because what we have now is a scenario in which sea sections are

“routinely pushed on mothers because it's easier for the OBGYN they can schedule their life more easily”

the nursing staff supports it you can get a wink or two whereas you know the vaginal birth is a

different story natural whatever so the kid comes out without that advantage then we're very quick to prescribe antibiotics for young kids carpet bombing the microbiome over and over even when they're little and we're not setting their microbiome up then we fill them full of processed foods or maybe we give them infant formula that's riddled with processed or seed oils or added sugars that don't need to be there and then we for a long time didn't expose them to peanuts or other

potential allergens which made them weaker and more susceptible to these allergies and then you know there's all these antibiotics and foods and estrogen altering chemicals and foods and now the child

is basically hobbled in a lot of ways through absolutely no fault of their own and really the

“parents either the parents wouldn't have necessarily known not to do the your kid has strep your doctor”

says give them antibiotics you do it and then on top of that we've got all these vaccines and we've got all these processed foods and we've got all this weird stuff and you know your cow milk and it's so much and so it's almost like the system is set up to get your kids sick and then we say why is everybody getting colon cancer before they turn 25 right so no one's even taking a hard look at that now it seems like for the first time we have a team that's saying no we're taking

a hard look at all of that all of it we have to look at all of it I mean if you look at how much children are suffering they're in pain they're depressed they're dealing with injecting themselves with insulin something you would rarely see a kid have type two diabetes in their teenage years a generation ago now you got 20% of kids who have diabetes or pre-diabetes the vast majority are type two diabetes right we have only been talking about treating the rise in colon cancer and

young people with new chemotherapy new chemotherapy is not going to address the root causes we we need to do it and we want to see new drugs coming to market quickly but we've got to talk about what is insulting the microbiome driving general body inflammation we've got to talk about the two underlying causes of so many chronic diseases in my opinion insulin resistance and general body inflammation and it's all the stuff that we put down the body's immune system is reacting and causing

some inflammation so we're not just going to be looking at new chemo for colon cancer we're going to be focused on healthy food at the FDA and we're looking at a school lunch grant program that school for schools that want to convert to healthier foods but don't know how and they need help we want to help them it guidance coming out for parents on how to feed their child in a healthy way whether it you know saying this to you before we got started the American breakfast right now is you know

especially for kids cereal bagels English muffins toast french toast it's all carbs Danish right it's all all starchy carbs then God knows what they get it's school for lunch and even when you make them lunch it's hard you don't know what it's like chicken fingers good or bad right better than you know lunch meat probably well what like people don't know they don't know they've had no real guidance are they going to get some so we are redoing the food pyramid but this is a this is like

the number one issue right now in health in America is people don't know how to switch to healthier foods right and I wish you know there's zealots in every aspect of health care and you'll you hear them you know the media gives them a lot of airtime and their issues are legitimate oftentimes

little issue in health care and actually talk about school lunches and healthy foods and educating

parents and what to feed their children and you know sugary drinks that are ubiquitous and micro plastics and seed oils and chemicals in the grass and all of it all of it so we're going to see

“some guidance come out that I think it's going to be helpful schools that want to convert to healthier”

more organic more local when possible foods don't know how and they got limited budgets that's where we can provide some assistance so on a pilot basis for schools that want to convert and don't know how we're going to help them get off the cupcakes I didn't realize how many schools feed breakfast to children donuts cupcakes ding dong's French toast is if you know it loads to the

French right so of course sophisticated right so this is where the entire medical establishment

can pivot and focus on and you're going to see grants coming out of the NIH we're working in coordination with the with the NIH to make sure there's research in this area you know the NIH has really focused on genetics and the entire culture of the NIH and thus the entire academic medical community in the United States has been a culture focused on the genome based on the Francis Collins era that the gene is responsible for most of our health problems and the gene

can solve most of our health problems and you look at the NIH individual institutes within the National Institutes of Health and its geneticists all over the place you look at the institute for child health at the NIH and it's run by a geneticist who parades around finding a gene involved in

“some ultra-rare gene disorder that's good and it's important but nobody is talking about the food”

our kids are eating it by the way there's now much we can do better genes the genes are not the problem of our not the cause of our chronic disease epidemic it's what we're doing or what is being done to children by adults today unknowingly with good intentions sometimes you go to the National Institute of Environmental Health at the NIH go to the website and you'll see the director has on there that they were involved in identifying a gene that may be associated with obesity

what are you doing I mean there's value in that research how about the ding dongs and cupcakes right donuts and French toasts that the kids are eating with government tax dollars every morning at school and nobody seems to be and I've heard you say before if you fix your microbiome you actually

“might be less hungry less prone to obesity like the things you were talking about are all to”

set people up for a healthier lifestyle that's a little easier you know that they may be victims to cravings that were created by this terrible food pyramid and them following the American diet that shoved on earth yeah you know guys a surgeon I'm patients that would do everything to lose weight they did all the right things they switched to better foods and they would exercise they could lose weight what was happening there can we learn from those individual patients maybe the microbiome was altered

in a way that is not easy to fix by just switching back maybe all of those years the cumulative insult to the microbiome was all there are some researchers doing this I met the microbiome researcher at the NIH and it's like a tiny shop like this should be the main focus yes you know the NIH is

collected DNA all the DNA information on 1.2 million Americans and you'll say I didn't know

about this what you know what why they are they have been doing it for the last six or seven years in search of a genetic basis for health disparities and that entirely what does that mean it means they want to understand why certain populations have more chronic diseases than others and they believe that it's in the genome and so they collected this giant genetic library they would pay Americans say 25 dollars 80 percent are African-American Latino or transgender because they

want to unlock why they have different rates of chronic diseases they have this massive library when Jaybada charia came in office the previous director moved that entire database project to another office outside of the director's office maybe so he wouldn't touch it interesting and what what are they doing like I'm not saying there's no value in that but you're not you can't even tell us how to lose weight you can't even tell us how to what foods are healthy for children you can't even

tell us about seed oils or food dyes or ingredients that are added just for shelf life and so

went to the oldest African-American church in Harlem they went to Atlanta Detroit and they recruited people from minority communities and they told them no longer is our medical recommendations going to be blanket they're going to be custom tailored to your your you know population good luck doing that with trans people okay couple of quick things one of your predecessors here has said you're going to have to expect massive pushback on all of this like it might be too

pie in the sky that for example if we remove all ultra-process foods from school lunch programs we might bankrupt a bunch of farmers like are we too optimistic you know is it is the moon shot

“not possible I think people are now discovering that they've been dupped with an industry that”

has told them don't worry all this food is healthy for kids it's low in calories has low fat so you know go ahead and and it's it's fine that's sort of between the lines message and I think they're very suspicious and they want to find an ingredient that accounts for the chronic disease epidemic I don't believe there's any single ingredient I think it's the entire gamut of less exercise food chemicals not eating the right foods micro nutrient poor foods

we have foods now in the United States that are basically grown with caffeine you know potassium

phosphorus nitrogen in in the roots and there's no nutrients and we you know there's a deficiency of good soil and so you get micronutrient deficient food and you can eat a lot but your

“satiety that is your your sense of feeling uh full is is not triggered because you're not”

getting those nutrients uh and so what you do is you have this weird feeling after you eat where you're kind of full and bloated but you're still hungry and some of those chemicals make you more hungry if food industry they're not bad people they're actually good people they've done what we as a society have asked them to do and that is focused on food insecurity and mass production now however seeing that these chronic diseases have skyrocketed in our country in

our generation we've got to take a step back and ask how can we get healthier foods out there and I wanted to go back to the animal testing because this is something near to my heart I'm a big animal rights person I do eat meat and animal products and I get letters from

“pizza all the time but the animal testing is a heartbreaker and that what Fauci was doing to the”

beagles is really deeply disturbing and what I didn't I never realized until you just said it

right now it's because they're compliant which is just so sad it's sad so how do you stop that can can we as humans stay safe in the drugs we consume in the products we consume without torturing sweet little beagles and I will throw in a word for the bunnies and even the little lab rats which you know animal torture just seems beneath us at this point in our evolution but you tell me God did not make these animals on planet earth for us to do cruel things to them and

subjugate them it does not seem right and so we are doing everything we can and we're taking a lot of steps to reduce animal testing requirements and to stop unnecessary animal testing a single monoclonal antibody that was developed for approval I used 144 chimpanzees in the animal testing requirement what are we doing and these chimpanzees are not you know living with great sunlight and eating bananas it's not you know there is there is a problem here and when you

realize that the computational models can do as good or better of a job in predicting when the lab based organ cells tested or something called organoids where you can actually grow an organ in a lab and it's not a functional organ but it has the properties of those cells and you can test liver toxicity or heart toxicity or myocarditis those models should be

replacing animal testing so the first announcement we had when I came in as commissioner was to

take steps to reduce unnecessary animal testing reduce by a lot like almost entirely with a gold toward hitting entirely entirely or what I'd like to see as much reduction of unnecessary animal testing as humanly possible look as a surgeon we had pig labs in the at Johns Hopkins where the students and residents would learn how to do surgery on the pigs I personally believed it had no impact on learning they could have learned from simulations computerized simulations

unnecessary and every week or so they would have pigs and nested ties there's big production

“it was expensive and in my opinion it was unnecessary we've cut to modernize okay so last but not”

least 3500 gone in cooperation with doge will there be more cuts there's no there are no plans for any mass cuts now if somebody has not logged on to their VPN in two years we don't want

them working if somebody's doing an incredible job and we measure performance down to 15-minute

increments with reviewers that are doing scientific reviews the reviews are highly tracked and so somebody's doing a good job doing that review we want to encourage them in support it's hard work doing the reviews is hard work and so we want to do other things here at the FDA to support a great culture scientific forums speakers round tables we want to encourage them to spend some of their time doing creative work and so we're doing a lot right now to create more of a teamwork culture

and less of an individual siloed culture that is the culture that I walked into it feels like you really want to make this a better place for people to work more collegial more of a feeling of camaraderie a shared mission is it possible you know there are certain government agencies

I'm just going to say it where they're hard left they can't stand Trump and there will be a

natural resistance to his appointees trying to do anything to their agency there are some of those folks here but you know they're all gods children and I hope to work with all of them so you know that's my job as a leader to try to win their confidence and I hope to do it by upholding my mission to put out their gold standard science and common sense together we can do both healthier food for children rebuilding the public trust and focusing not on the peripheral

distractions but focusing on cures and meaningful treatments for Americans and when this is done is there a chance you're going to a drug company zero chance oh and in terms of if there's an inventor that I might have the chance with to work with I have no idea but when it comes to the

large pharmaceutical companies you will not I'm not auditioning for a job with them at the same time

“I love them I believe in love thy neighbor and I hope we can work with them to create a great”

user-friendly process to chop down that ten-year time frame to an approval to a much shorter time frame and I'm committed to work with them to get that down. I can't wait to see what you do. Thank you so much. Thank you Megan for being willing to do the job. Thanks for being a champion for my boss. My pleasure. Oh so interesting I love him I feel so much better that he's here right I feel like we're in good hands he's got his work cut out for him and we'll stay tuned we'll keep you updated

and I want to happen so over here. Today let's talk about the fact that we all have nothing if we don't have our health and we have the perfect guest to discuss how you can take control of your wellness and life. If you're in Maha this is the show for you. If you're in the living this is the show for you. Dr. Mark Hyman is a practicing family physician and a leader in functional medicine we'll talk about what that means. He is a 15-time

New York Times bestselling author the host of the Dr. Hyman show podcast and the founder of Function Health a resource that gives you the tools to own your own health. Dr. Hyman was on with us back in February 2023 at episode 4-9-8 and I'm super excited to dive into him and with him for the full show today. Great to have you. Good to be here Megan. Okay can we just start with that what what is functional medicine because it's not the same as

traditional medicine. No you know traditional medicine is really about sick care. It's diagnosing and treating disease as opposed to the science of creating health. That's a functional medicine instead of reframes our whole perspective to get through causes rather than just downstream symptoms. So medicine sort of divided into specialties and different organs and different parts but your body is one whole ecosystem and now we'd be in to understand that and how things like

environmental factors, toxins, diet, stress, allergens and so forth. Interrupt our biology or lack of certain things we need like the right food, nutrients, amounts of hormones, light, air water, sleep, connection, movement all these things are ingredients for health. So functional

“medicine is about identifying the root causes which are the lack of things you need to thrive”

and too much of the stuff that doesn't your body doesn't like whether it's heavy metals or whatever it is and taking those away. And then your body has this natural intelligence and healing system that allows your body to repair, heal and renew and when you create health disease goes away as a side effect. So functional medicine is really about this new paradigm of dealing with the body as an ecosystem rather than going to a different doctor for every inch of your body. It should just be medicine.

it's more of the sciences as where our head and it takes to generation or to the same science.

I was doing some of these things like a year ago. I was getting my life in order physically and in every way and the woman who was advising me was like we should we should get you a test for the heavy metals in your body. And my doctor was like no, he refused. It was actually something he would have had to order I guess. And he's like we're not doing that. And like he was not open-minded to it at all. Some of the other stuff he was like okay because I had mold in my apartment

or my house at the beach and he's like I guess you know you can get tested from mold. But then he was like do you really think it's an issue? He was like if mold were killing people, everybody who lived in the jungle would be dead. A lot sooner than people who live in the desert and they're not. So I've been like pulled between these two you know because I functional medicine makes so much sense to me. And yet my like very like no nonsense traditional doctors like no.

Yeah I know I mean the two things that make us sick are diet and environmental toxins. And those

things are ignored by traditional medicine like that are just graduate medical school. I mean show nothing about these things and yet every day in my practice I see people with chronic illness whether it's autoimmune diseases or whether it's metabolic diseases or whether it's digestive diseases or neurodegenerative things like Alzheimer's and they're all things that we now begin to understand the root causes and we can actually change those and reverse those chronic illnesses.

Like nobody ever heard of reversing diabetes before. Nobody ever heard of reversing Alzheimer's or reversing autoimmune diseases and you can and that's the beauty of what this approach does. It's really we're medicines headed. It's where major in sort of academic institutions are researching but it takes a couple of decades for it's starting. Like we're seeing it's become practice. With RFKJ who I know is a personal friend. Callie and KC means Callie in particular like a

big advisor to him. That's great. He's totally on board with all this. And then you mentioned Dr. Brettison. He's the Alzheimer's doctor. I mean he's he's an expert in Alzheimer's and dementia. He's been on the show a couple times and he's been saying you don't have to get Alzheimer's. You can do things in your life to prevent Alzheimer's but the so-called traditional community looks at him as like you know, not I won't say it's naked. But like yeah exactly

fringe and like you can't listen to him. I first got introduced to him by Maria Schreiber who

was happy on when she was up in today's show. She's very into Alzheimer's. Absolutely. Anyway. Well she's not interested in stopping it.

“Yeah, she loves Alzheimer's. Yeah, but so but that's what's happening right now. In the same way we”

saw, you know, doctors who were like you might not want to get your seventh COVID vaccine booster who got dismissed by people like Fauci as fringe. J about a charria as focused protection. That's fringe. Yeah. Now we're having functional medicine doctors looked as as fringe. But I think there's a different effort and it's future. That's right. It's future. That's changing. I mean Toby Coswick was one of the most visionary leaders in health care

was to see off Cleveland Clinic for many years and he invited me to come to Cleveland Clinic to establish a Center for Social Medicine because he realized that the future is going to look different when it comes to chronic disease. That the old model of looking for a drug for every disease or a pill for every year is not going to solve the problem. We saw this massive failure with Alzheimer's. We saw billions of dollars of money, federal money, and private money,

and farm money, going to researching the drugs that they thought would cure Alzheimer's. And none of them have worked. Billions of dollars, hundreds and hundreds of studies. Why? Because they weren't looking in the right place to solve the problem. They were looking at the pathology downstream, not at the upstream causes. And so the causes are not that hard to understand. It's our metabolic crisis. Pre-diabetes are calling Alzheimer's

“type 3 diabetes, which is because of the sugar and metabolic issues in the brain. That's why”

keto diets work so well for Alzheimer's. They're looking at environmental toxins and they have how they play a role. They're having metals or petrochemicals or other toxins mold may be a factor. Tick infections may be a factor. Nutrition deficiencies might be a factor. I had a patient who was diagnosed with early dementia and she was an older woman who had absorption issues of B12 and also some genetics around vitamin B6 and folic or folic acid. I gave her like a vitamin P12

such and high doses of B12 and B6 and folic and her dementia went away. Now that's not saying all causes, all diseases with people would dementia have that as their cause, but you have to personalize medicine. And where everything is going is personalized medicine. And this is just where where we're headed. Lee where Hood was a father of systems biology, which is how everything is connected and works together is the body's a network. He called it P4 medicine. It's preventive.

It's predictive. So you can identify biomarkers or things along the continuum of disease. It's not weaker. You get something. So you know, I have this problem and I don't feel good or my test job. You don't really quite have a disease yet. So come back when you have a really have a disease. They don't give you a drug. It's not how we should be doing it. So it should be predicted. I call it like the Queen's medicine. You know, you know, how did the

Queen live to be a, you know, or a mid 90s. Kind of like Queen mom lived to be a hundred and one or two. Like because they had personal care. That was looking at them all the time. And this level,

“you know, not just like an annual. But and honestly, having known some super rich like mega billionaires”

in my media career, they all have somebody who's looking at this stuff all the time. I saw this

there for a few days put on by, you know, another billionaire. But notwithstanding billionaire number one

“had brought all of his food with him. You know, like he was at that level where he was being”

advised at that level on his health. And the reason I'm mentioning this is because all these people who have money at royalty or whatever, they're invested in making sure it's one-on-one care. Someone's looking at their markers advising them on what they're putting in their body. It's not just like try to eat better. Get a little exercise. Don't smoke or drink so much. It's much more green. Much more creative. Yeah. So that's, but you're like with functional medicine and with your program,

too, you can get this without being a billionaire without being royalty. That's right. It's basically 500 bucks a year. That's right. So function health, you know, is like, I'm one doctor and it's going to take a generation to change medicine or, too, maybe. So how do we leapfrog over that? We need to have business innovation. And that's where we created function health, which was a help platform. This personalized allows you to understand your own biology, be proactive, be the CEO of your own

health. And we're learning so much about what's going on underneath the hood for the population that

“never had been done before. We now have over, I think, 180,000 members have over 20 million”

data points on these people. We can see trends like the severe metabolic crisis we're having in America with high levels of insulin and blood sugar and A1C and also there are lipids, which we do in a very deep way to look at the cardiovascular risk that traditional doctors don't do less than 1% of all tests or for this special new advanced lipid profile. And less than 1% of

all doctors measure insulin, which is the most important test you want to know if you're going to

live a long time to be healthy. It's under like three diabetes. Yeah, pre-diabetes, but it's not just pre-diabetes. It causes heart attacks, strokes, cancer, dementia. These are all the diseases of insulin resistance. What your body doesn't like sugar and it keeps blocking the effects of insulin. You need more and more insulin than insulin causes storage of belly fat, it causes inflammation. It makes you hungry. It just creates this whole cascade. And so we're

seeing all these amazing things that people didn't know they have. Like inflammation is a big driver of disease. 46% of our population has inflammation. 30% have an autoimmune biomarker, which is sort of amazing to uncover because I don't know what it's causing and is in our load of environmental toxins that are leaky. God is it the COVID post COVID phenomena. Well, the vaccine and even just COVID has led to this long COVID phenomena, which is often driving

autoimmune disease. And we're also seeing nutritional deficiencies. Almost 70% of our population has deficiencies in nutrients at the minimum level to prevent a deficiencies. So how much vitamin seed you're not? You get scurvy very little. That habit of my husband's good friend on Wall Street when he first started an investment banking. He was eating so poorly. He went to the doctor. This is going to work in Manhattan. He went to the doctor and he was like, "You have scurvy.

And you've been in a ship for six months." He's like, "No, I've just been in my desk." But you know, I've heard you discuss this on your show where we have what percentage of the population now that's obese and yet you're saying they're malnourished. People are overfed and undernourished. So we see this double burden of obesity and malnourished at the same time. Especially in kids who are eating junk food. Yeah, it's for medicine. We've seen zinc deficiencies,

you know, folate deficiencies, iron deficiencies. The deficiencies in vitamin D. These are omega-3 deficiencies. These are rampant in our population. And what people don't realize is that these nutrients are the basic lubricants that oil the wheels of your metabolic machinery. So every chemical reaction

in your body and there's 37 billion trillion every second has to be facilitated by helper,

which is usually vitamin or mineral. And word deficient in this because we're eating 60% of our diet is ultra-process food. It's 67% of kids diet. For me, 10% of your diet that's ultra-process food, your risk of death goes up by 14%. You do the math. I'm not good at math, but it's a lot of more increase of mortality. Those will make it easy to mention. So you can get those in something like fish. Yeah. And then the bad ol' magas are the sixes which you can get in

like vegetable oil. Yeah. And unfortunately, the average kid has a ton of omega-6s in their potato chips and all this. They're not really necessarily balancing them out. And then if you do try to balance them out with seafood or fish, the odds are if you just get it from the grocery store,

“it's riddled with mercury. That's right. And it may not even be worth the time you have to get like”

white oil, red salmon, what or like herring, it's the smash fish. Yeah. It's the same mad girl. But not just any sand, it's a wild-cloth, a laskan salmon, a smackerel, anchovies, anchovies, and sardines. Sardines, right? Yeah. I love those. I'm Jewish. I like all that. Yeah. So I've actually like, have you been arresting daughters in New York? No. No. I've been like, open up as Tena Sardines and actually eat and fish right back. On our percent. Every day. Is it the whole body?

Like, the little bones? Yeah, it's a bone. The bones are great. Because if Tartines are one of the

superfoods out there. Because they're up in my mouth. No, come on. It's a superfood. You've got incredible

amount of protein. You've got calcium from the bones, which is highly visible. Is it crunchy? Yeah, a little bit. You've got, you've got a rich source of omega-3s that are great for your brain health and many other things. And you've got colon, which is also critically important for your brain. So it's an incredible

Well, that actually just heard something interesting, because I was taking fish oil capsules for a while since I eat no fish. But then somebody's like, you know, you got to watch that, too,

“because we careful who you buy it for. Yeah, you need to read the book,”

"Repeal source." Because they, too, could just be getting it from Mercury and Bested Fish.

Yeah. So you're basically taking two Mercury capsules every night. Yeah, most of them don't have

that. But they filter it, they purify it and you can look at the, before and after testing and see if it's, you know, got it. Okay, that's good to hear. Yeah, so. But anyway, so that's just one of the many lists that you gave that, like, your kids are doing. And I do worry about the kids a lot, because you, you said something that I was like, oh my god, that makes so much sense. Bobby Kennedy's been talking about this, too. I cross examinant him for four hours over vaccines. That's how,

that's part of his resurrection story. Yeah. And it was great. He was very strong. He had answers for all of his critics, questions about him, which is what I was fronting. And the, one of the things he was saying was, no, I, I have not maintained that vaccines cause autism. But I think that we need to look at the toxic stew that children are growing up there as a cause of potential, a potential cause of autism. And, and what's in the vaccines like the extras and the vaccines,

like Mercury or aluminum, should also be factored in that discussion made perfect sense to me. But he's, he listed it for me in this discussion saying, look at all the things that kids are going through that, we're not present when I was a kid. He was talking about like ticks and ADHD, like everywhere, autism spectrum diagnoses all over the place. exploded. Yeah. And so that may perfect sense to me.

“And then I listen more to you and you're, you're not even next level with it. I think because you're like,”

part of the toxic stew is those potato chips and the soda and the, the absence of cauliflower and broccoli and kale, or any of the cruciferous vegetables that might help absorb some of the terrible shit we're putting in our bodies. Kids and we're allowing it. I mean, I'm guilty of this too, in part, we're allowing the kids to treat their bodies like dumpster fires. Yeah, it's absolutely true. I mean, you know, when you look at what happened from when I was born in 1959, it was a lot of

them. No, no, no, no, no. To now, the change in our chronic disease epidemic is staggering. The change in autism rates have gone from 1 in 10,000 to 1 in 30, something kids depending on where you look at the data. The rate of neurodabell mental issues is now affecting 1 in 6 children. We have, we have rising rates of autoimmune disease and allergies and kids. We're seeing

obviously obesity and kids, which never saw me swarming. When I was in medical school, there was no

type 2 or type 1 diabetes. It was juvenile onset or adult onset. Then kids started getting it.

“And now 30 plus percent of teenage teenagers have pre-diabetes or textured diabetes.”

It's staggering. And so the question is, why, why does this happen? What's changed in our culture and environment and in the food? Well, we've industrialized our food system. We've made convenience king. We've food industry is basically taken over. And I'm when I say food, I mean the food and ag industry have taken over our society in ways that are pervasive and actually measurable. They fund academic centers, which do research. They fund 12 times a much

quote and tertiary research as the federal government. They fund academic associations like American Heart Association, which has $192 million from the food and the

farm industry. They fund the Academy Nutrition Dietetics, which is 40 percent of their revenue

comes from the food companies. I mean, you go to their meetings and I've been there and I'm spoken there. There's like big exhibit halls and say no pictures allowed. Why? Because it's full of junk. And it's their promoting for the nutritionists as sort of healthy alternatives. And so you've got them creating front groups like the American Council on Science and Health that is actually some of those guys that have been in jail for Medicare fraud and there are

bunch of quacks who are funded by big tobacco, big food, big ag and say they pesticides, trans fats, and efforts with corn syrup are all healthy for you. And then they fund social groups like NAACP and Hispanic Federation, you get them to oppose things like soda taxes, which we can argue is good or bad, but they want to lie themselves so they don't push back on them. And they target those groups more directly than other groups. By the way, remiss if we didn't

mention they also fund our lawmakers. Yeah. Well, I was about to say that. And they are the biggest they're their biggest lobbying group. So they fund huge amounts of misjudication and misinformation on both sides. Neither party is being from us. The Republicans are just as corrupt as the Democrats are in taking money for these 100%. And voting a quarter. 100%. I mean, I Roger Marshall was now the head of Mahakakis in the Senate. I call them out in my book Food Jecks. I said,

you know, there was a panel on chronic disease and a hearing in Congress. And he was emphasizing it was just exercise that was the issue. It wasn't died at all. And he was funded by the infection association of the issue. And I, and now we become friends. And I said, listen, Roger, I called you out in that book. Just hope you don't mind. So don't worry. Yeah, yeah. So, you know, people have changed. No, there was an update today. Hold on, before it came to

err, um, this just happened. Yeah. We're trying to get cally means in our KJ are trying to get,

to try to encourage our, our, our poorest Americans when they need food stamps to use them for high nutrition foods and not the worst of the worst. And to the nail, the soda companies are fighting

this. It's worth something like $60 billion a year to them. And this just happened in Arizona,

where there was a bill to remove soda from the things you could buy with food stamps was snapped. And they voted against it. And, and the, the bill failed to make it out of the health and human services committee in the, uh, Arizona legislature by a vote of six six and who cast the deciding vote against it, a Republican Ralph he voted against it alongside the Democrats, by the way,

“not for nothing, but here is, um, I think we have cally means, yeah, here's cally means reacting”

to that and so on. So there's no correlation or causation between soda and obesity rates. If your concern is obesity. Wow. Yeah. Then we should be talking about obesity. We shouldn't be talking about obesity for snap recipients who have social determinants of health beyond just what they eat. I think is that the general public would consider unhealthy. I mean, who knows what the

general public considers unhealthy? If the government tries to define in state statute, what's a good

food and what's a bad food, it's very, very complicated. Are not going to subsidized shoulder drinks and candies. Here's Callie. The war kids. It's criminal. And this is a no-brainer situation. And frankly, these two speakers before me should be ashamed of themselves. Up, you're crossing a line right there. You're crossing a line. God bless him. Good. It's hard to imagine how those guys go to sleep at night saying what they say. No, no. I mean, to say there's no connection to social

factors. That's causing all the obesity amongst us. Not, yeah, it's not just poverty. By the way,

“it's affecting all sectors of society, not just the poor, but as last I checked, JB Pritzker is”

pretty rich and he's morbidly by obesity by anyone's status too. But when you, when you look at snap or food stamps, it's called supplemental nutrition assistance program. But it's really about food security, which means you can have calories. You can need 2,500 calories of soda a day. And that's enough to fuel your mump metabolism. But it's going to kill you. Yeah, and it's not nutrition security, which is what we need in America, which is providing enough nutrients to

people who have also food insecurity. And when you, and you look at snap, 20% of Coca-Cola's US profits come from food stamps. It's a big chunk of humorous profits. And the, the, don't realize that we pay for the, the problem multiple times. There's a, a new kind of concept called the commercial determinants of health, which is how multinational transnational corporations privatized profits and socialize the costs of subvert public health. And so we,

the taxpayers paying the bill. We pay like probably four times, for example, for the food we pay to buy that soda. That's right. We pay for the farmers to grow the corn that makes the high fructose corn syrup that goes in the soda. Then we pay for the soda, but snap. And then we pay for Medicare Medicaid on the back end to deal with the chronic diseases like diabetes that result from it. And who's paying for the environmental consequences of how we

grow the food using methods that disrupt our soil, the loss of soil organic matter, we've lost a third of all our top swells. We're going to lose all of it. The amount of water resources we use to, to irrigate, which are, which are because the farming methods don't retain water in the soil, we're going to be 1% organic matter. You retain 25,000 gallons of water per acre. So we're losing huge amounts of our, our water infrastructure. And we're also poising the rivers and lakes because

all the, you know, an interesting fertilizer flows down to them and causes the overgrowth of algae, which sucks all the oxygen out, kills the fish. And so we have dead zones, the size of New Jersey and the Gulf of Mexico or America, but we want to call it now. And there's 400 of those around

the world, the feed half a billion people. And then we lose biodiversity, 75% of pollinators are gone.

So that the list goes on, who's paying for all that? Who's paying for the bees being destroyed? It's paying for the water being destroyed. It's paying for the fish being destroyed. So basically, it's us. This is the part of the conversation where I just want to open up a bag of Doritos. I give up. I give up. I give up. I can't. Like, there's no winning, right? There's, we're probably inhaling enough microplastics to kill us right now. You know, it's like,

by the way, that was another thing I learned in preparation for today. The average person is in here. The average person now today has, this is from, it was on the, it was in New York Times today. On micro, microplastics. The human brain samples from 2024. Yeah, so many. Nearly 50, 50 percent more microplastics than brain samples from 2016. They estimate there are five bottle caps worth of plastic in the average. Can't be good. Can't be good.

Five bottle caps. Can't spare it. No. And it was so, so it's overwhelming, like, the farming.

“And that, let's just start there. You know, that's what like Casey and Cali,”

even saying, we need regenerative farming, which I don't really totally understand, but it seems like it's going to be really hard to make the farmers do that and really expensive. And when I sat in on those RFKJ confirmation hearings, even the Republican senators seem to be like,

Well, the thing is, the farmers are big voting base, so you don't want to lose them.

But you also want to take care of them. Because when you look at farmers in this country, suicide rates are higher than almost any population, chronic disease rates, Parkinson's cancer, because of how they're farming. They're, they're not able to make significant profits. They're, they're really marginalized in terms of their, their way there's stuck between the bank loans, the crop insurance and the seed and chemical companies that, that the, by the, the seeds and

the chemicals from. So they're kind of the, the stuck in the middle. And there is a way out. And then it's been demonstrated the, the sciences there, the economics are there to convert farms that are industrial farms to regenerate farms. And that can be done at scale.

“And this has been a well shown in a movie coming up called Common Ground. I think it's going to be”

released in about a week on Amazon. Yeah. And it shows how, you know, like these big, you know, corn farmers can actually do this. And, and they make more money. They restore the ecosystem.

And what is regenerating? It's basically mimicking nature. You know, Gabe Brown was a farmer

North Dakota in conventional farmer. And he is farmers destroyed by drought, hail, and all kinds of things. And he was like, what am I going to do? And he started reading Thomas Jefferson's journals. And in the journals, it explained how he used methods to restore the ecosystem to use natural pest control methods to actually use methods that actually restore soil, the retain water, that do all the things we want to do. And, and Gabe Brown has demonstrated this on his 5,000

acre farm in North Dakota. And, and it actually makes 20 times as much money, restored the soil, doesn't use irrigation, doesn't use chemicals, it produces much more food, much more nutrient-thens food, and so I've been well documented through science. So, it's possible. It's just to matter how do we transition farmers, how do we support them to do that? And private equities investing in this. I mean, if private equities in paying farmers to convert, because they know they're going to

get a return on the back end, regenerating. Yeah, they know what's, it's a, it's a profit center. And they're going to make more money than in industrial farming. I was just thinking about wind turbines, which many of us absolutely hate. Yeah, and everything. Yeah, they grew. Most environmentalists eat that. Yeah, they kill the birds. They kill land. It's like they're full of toxins. The, the blades are as long as a football field. Yeah. Each blade is long as a football field and several

tons. And they're like just, and then you get up to hundreds of them in a wind farm. Anyway, I, we have a summer home along the Jersey Shore, and they're about to get pummeled by one of these wind farms. And it's just so disgusting. Thank God for trying for stopping most of them in progress. I don't think that order was going to help us. But in any of them, all the money that Obama and Joe Biden have been funneling into wind and solar energy, which is very inefficient. It costs so much.

It requires so much land. And toxins and reliance on the Chinese so on. Why don't, why don't we funnel that into American farmers to help them switch over to regenerative. 100%. It's, it's one of the best things we can do for the environment, for the climate, for energy. I mean, there's so much oil used in farming. People don't realize it's, it's a huge amount of the inputs are oil-based. So fertilizer is the pesticides, the amount of oil used to drive the big machinery. All that

is enormous amount of oil that we use just to grow vegetables and grow corn and grow soy and wheat. So that, that can be changed. By the way, my husband wrote a book on Rudolph Diesel who invented the Diesel engine. They should be using diesel engines and powering them with corn. That's a place we could use good corn oil or vegetable oil. They can power the engines with the factors.

“Better to use it in the engines than in our body. That's how the Diesel engine was born.”

Okay, so regenerative farming is definitely one of the things. Now, what happens when the average patient comes in to see you? Like, you do the blood tests. And where do you start? Like, what for the average listener? Like, what is the top five? Because they don't know how to read their blood tests? You know, I consider myself a relatively sophisticated consumer in this department. I don't know how to read my blood tests. I know you're supposed to look at the HDL and the LDL

and beyond that, I don't really know. So what should the average person be looking at? What's

what are the most important things? Well, I think we've had this edifice in medicine where the

doctor is the gatekeeper and the health system is the gatekeeper between your own biology. And I believe that needs to be changed. And people should be empowered to know what's going on on their bodies and to have the information to interpret it. And that's really why we co-founded function health was to allow us to break down that barrier, to allow a personalized health platform,

“to allow you access to your data. And then, to know what to do about it. What does it mean?”

Yeah. And do you give them a code? A code? I mean, like, you have all the numbers now. I feed your blood tests with your function. But like, what do you do? Yeah, how do you figure out what it means? Essentially, we're building the engine and we have tens of thousands of pages of content that educate people about what it means, what to do about it, what the root cause or so, let's say you have a positive autoimmune antibody. In a traditional health care system, you say,

okay, you're going to go to the rheumatologist. They're going to see if they can diagnose you with some autoimmune disease. And then they're going to give you an anti-inflammatory drug that's going to suppress your immune system when there's a steroid or a biologic that costs 50,000 miles a year.

and why is this potentially an issue? Is it because you have a leaky gut and your microbiome

is messed up? Is it because you're eating gluten and it's driving that autoimmune biochemistry

“or is it because you're exposed to environmental toxins that are immunotoxic, they affect you?”

So we begin to sort of sift your words because you had COVID or because you have Lyme disease or whatever. And then you can sort of sift through and say, oh, gee, this is why I may be sick. And then we say, here's how you further investigate it. And here's the kinds of doctor you want to see. And here's the next steps. Or here's things you can do on your own. So there's really about self empowerment. And I was all the stuff that Dr. Bradus

says about preventing Alzheimer's disease. So worth it for everybody. 100%. It's preventing everything because it's like, you know, there are a few common causes that drive all the chronic disease we're seeing. And it's not that hard. It's the too much of the bad stuff and not enough of the good stuff that our bodies need. And when you take out the bad stuff, you put in the good stuff, which is essentially what functionalism is, the body knows

what to do. So I'll give you an example. So I had a patient come and issue it. So I had a car thrive as she had terrible inflammation of her skin and joints for swollen, you know, the heartbreak of psoriasis. But she also had terrible heartburn, reflux, she had terrible irritable bowel syndrome, she had migraine, she had depression, she had good diabetes, she was overweight. And she was, you know, 50 issue of business coach. And I said, gee, you know, what are all these things? How are all these

things related? Instead of, you know, seeing the best doctors, what she did, a clip and clip and the best doctors rheumatology, the best migraine doctor, the best GI doctor, the best depression, it's psychiatrist. And she was seeing the best of every class and got the best of the state of the art current model treatment, which was just pharmaceutical drugs. Nobody said, why is she having these

“problems? It's the medicine of why not what? Why do you have this not what disease do you have?”

Not what drug do I get, but why? And then we investigated, because she had all these gut issues, a lot of your immune system is in your gut. And so I cleaned up her gut. I got rid of the bad bugs. I gave her an antibiotic and any fungal. We started microbiome with probiotics, gave her some fish on vitamin D, came back six weeks later. She's like, doc, everything's gone. Wow. I lost 20 pounds. My sorrisis is gone. My arthritis is gone. My migraines are gone. My depression is gone. I feel great.

My irritable bowel reflux are gone. And I stopped on my medications. I'm like, I didn't tell you to do that. She was like, no, I just was feeling so good. I stopped them. And so once you understand how to unlock someone's health and give them the roadmap, they can do it. Have you seen this in children too? Yes, of course. I mean, I'm family doctor and I've treated, you know, thousands and thousands of kids. And it's just so disturbing to me when I see the kinds of things that really

are affecting these kids. I mean, I had one little girl who was 10 years old and she had this horrible autoimmune condition that was triggered by her eating crappy sugary diet that was causing tons of used to overgrowth in her gut. She also had gluten antibodies that were causing some injury to work got lining that can trigger autoimmunity. She also loves sushi, which is weird for a kid, but she left a lot of mercury laden too. Now, she was eating a lot of that. She was getting mercury

toxicity. And we basically reset her gut. We put in a donation diet. I gave her some things to get

rid of the overgrowth of yeast in her gut. And I gave her a relation to get rid of the mercury. And she had something that was, she was on like 1200 milligrams of soy medra, which was like a horse dose of steroids. Well, every three weeks, intravenous, she was on chemo drug called method directly to each. She was on drugs to help with her rain nose and other of her gut issues. So calcium channel block was feeling a whole list of things. Aspen, because she had a more blood

clotting. She was on a pilot drugs. And she really couldn't function, really, very violent. She completely fixed it. She was 100% better. And I checked with her 10-year-old lady. She's doing great. She's gone to college and is really healthy. So we see that we started to dig into the root causes and help people understand how their body is actually organized. It's not how medicine currently organizes it. We can do tremendous amounts. And that's really

“why I think function, how this is so important. Because it helps us leave frog over the current”

medicine and power of people with their data and helps them understand what to do about it. I heard you talking with someone, if I give you if you weren't the one with the story, but I think it was you talking about a kid's handwriting. Oh yeah, that was me. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean, we're hopefully going to show this on the show, but there's a kid I had

at ADD. And this is what first got me to realize that what was happening in the body affected the brain

in a very profound way. It wasn't just the mind body effect, but the body mind effect. And many of our psychiatric illnesses are caused by dysfunctions that we can treat, not with ADD medication, which is now, we are going to definitely can time on this. This is interesting. Yeah. I mean, and this kid had ADD, but he had also all these other issues. He had asthma, and he had allergies, and he had stomach aches, and he had headaches, and he had whole list of stuff. And he was seeing

seven different doctors, it's about seven different prescriptions, and he was on a riddle and he even kicked out of kindergarten with that guy. And his writing was terrible. He had these kids often have what we call dysgraphia. I mean, you can't read the writing, really poor handwriting. But like at 12 years old, you couldn't even read it. And his mother came to see me. We put him on a clean diet. He was only eating processed food. We did an nutritional testing. And it was

it was like so malnourished. I mean, he wasn't really overweight, but he was a really malnourished.

new features and having? Oh, she finally got to me. She didn't like it, but she's like doing

“the best she could, as a mother, you don't know. And then she heard about it.”

It doesn't occur to you that maybe it's nutrition. I have for a lot of people that doesn't occur to you, because especially with the child who you can process anything. It's true. And the two months later, the mother brings him back, and he's doing better at every level, and he's off all the medications. But what was so striking to me was his handwriting before and after, she showed me his handwriting from his homework. And it was like a different kid. And it was

in that moment, I go, "Wow, how did his brain going from being chaotic and dysfunctional and not synchronizing properly to being kind of functioning and organized and structured so that he can actually function in the world and not at BDD?" And his handwriting go back to normal. Because it wasn't like I gave him a handwriting class. And I was like, "Wow, this is crazy." And that led to me writing this book called The Ultra Mind solution, which is how to fix your broken brain by fixing

your body first. And this was like 15 plus years ago. And now there's departments of metabolic psychiatry, Stanford, nutritional psychiatry at Harvard. Guys, Chris Palmer, his Harvard professor, his psychiatry discovered accidentally. You could cure schizophrenia on a ketogenic diet. And now

you know, there's $3 million grant that just got to give him a mail to study

ketogenic diets and severe mental illness like bipolar disease and schizophrenia. And we had to just dig me against this. Instead of understanding that this is something that actually is because our biology is just not functioning at all. You know what I'm thinking about right now? After we had, you know, do you watch that roundtable that they had in the U.S. Senate with Ron Johnson and Callie and Casey were there. And the Atlantic did a big right up of it after

and called it The Wu Wu Caucus. They were so dismissive and disgusting about these ideas being

“discussed in a serious way. And that's what we're up against is that you know, you start to say like,”

"Maybe we can head off schizophrenia with diet." And they say, "I'm out. You're crazy." Yeah, but it's actually looking at academic medical centers. This is what they're studying, like they're looking at these things seriously. Because the date is there. And so, you know, Max Planck was a physicist said, you know, scientists doesn't advance by convincing your opponents in helping them see the light but because a new generation grows up this familiar with. In other words,

medicine advances one funeral at a time. Yes, right. And so it's unfortunate. People get very ossified in their ideas and Thomas Coon wrote about this in the structure of scientific revolutions. How it's very difficult to convert people who believe a certain thing like the Earth is flat or the Earth is a center of the universe or that species arise in their fixed state. You know, basically that it was an insurrection. Whatever. Yeah, like people basically just have this

very fixed view of the way things are. And it's very hard to change that. Paradox are really hard to change. We just think autism is caused by refrigerator mothers that ulcers are caused by stress. And the guy who actually visit gastroenterologist would notice in the box he said the stomach that there was this bacteria hanging around. He's like, what is this? Maybe this is the cause. And everybody's laughed at him. The whole gastroenterology field just made him a joke.

And he said, well, I'm going to prove it. He's drank a beaker of this bacteria. He got his partner to like, he got an ulcer. He got his partner to scope him before and after. He took antibiotics, cured the ulcer. And then proved it. And he won the Nobel Prize for it. Oh, wow. So, you know, what one day seems like quite a quack. And next day is actually his dinner of care. To me, it just doesn't seem quacky at all. It seems like absolutely logical and sensible. People won't accept it.

And I think part of it is it's so much easier to take a pill. You much rather be told, just take this drug and you're good. Totally. This opposed to completely change the way you eat and by the way,

“you need to move more. I mean, it's so hard to do making an environment because everything is set”

up for us to fail. We have a toxic wasteland and nutrition that we live in. Our body, we don't need to move our bodies at all. We don't want to get outside very much. You know, we have so much stress. We have high levels of stress. We don't sleep well. These are just fundamental things that a human organism needs to have in order to thrive. And, you know, we take care of our dogs and our animals and our horse racers and the ways that we, you know, ways that are so much better

than we take care of ourselves. Like, we wouldn't feed our million lot of racers to make Donald

big fries in a coke. We feed our kids. Right. Right. Well, obviously about what you just said about how we're just not set up, you know, for success here. And the family went to Scandinavia and June. We did Sweden, Norway and Denmark. And they're all basically the same country. But in terms of their approach to lifestyle and so on. But in Denmark, they have it set up. There's, there's some waterways there and they have it set up so that almost every office building has a stairway

down to the water. Yeah. And it's encouraged that on your lunch break. You would go, take a swim. Yeah. You would go downstairs. You'd eat outside. And it's cold there. They know that. But they all bite to work first of all. They everybody bikes. Even the royalty in Denmark and Sweden. They bike around very sort of mobile culture. Yeah. And then think about it. If you went to the office and the office culture was during lunch, we eat healthy. We go outside. We swim in the water.

And then there are showers to shower off when you get back into the office. You have a 90-minute break

what the hell were you doing away from your desk for 90 minutes? 90 seconds. You know, Scandinavia? No. We're the USA. We produce. You know, we're the envy of the world in terms of our production and so on. That's our mindset. There are some benefits to it. But in the health department, not really. No. No. It's very disturbing. I mean, when you look at as compared to every other country, we've been more than twice any of the nation of healthcare, which is almost $5 trillion

in dollars, $1 and $5 of our economy. It's the federal government pays for 40% of that, and it's $1 and $3 federal dollar. So we're putting the bill. And we're 48th in life expectancy.

“I think Cuba and Albania are better than that. Oh, God. Oh, yeah. I think so on, baby.”

I mean, maybe they don't have good records. But like, when you look at the list, like, what are we doing here at the bottom of the list? And, I mean, Trump on Joe Rogan. He showed us what he's in for that. It was the number. If you had to pick one. I think it's, it's our diet. Alter process foods. Yeah. It's the, it's the takeover of the American food supply by the industrial food system. Yeah. And chemicals everywhere. I mean, like, within that,

what's the number one culprit? Alter process, I think. I think it's sugar and starch, sugar and starch. And then you can add in the chemicals and all the rest of it. And by the way, is, is, is bread,

is bread bad? Is bread basically sugar? Yeah. Well, actually, the glycemic, it's something

called the glycemic index, which is how much just given food raises your blood sugar is based on white bread. So that's a hundred. So that's the highest. Yeah. Sugar is actually 80, because it's native of the coast and glucose. But it's a little bit tricky because fructose doesn't raise your blood sugar. But, but they both have the same. Yeah. Below the neck, your body cannot tell the difference between a bowl of cereal or a bowl of sugar. Wow. Or a loaf of bread or a loaf of bread.

You keep, it's just the same thing. So when you eat white bread, you're basically eating sugar. And, and the American population consumes 152 pounds of sugar, and 133 pounds of flour per person, per year. That's almost three quarters of a pound per day. You know, I mean, the die carry guidelines, which need to be fixed. And I'm working on that with it. And I'll drop it, the 10% of our die they say can be sugar. That's 12 teaspoons in an average 2000 pound of die. For a kid,

the average kids eating 36 teaspoons are sugar a day. Well, that, and that's a pharmacological dose. I might have to tell you or Casey, one of them was saying at the, the turn of the 20th century, you know, the 1900 itself, the average, you know, recommended daily, you know, the average intake sugar amongst American children was zero zero on a day to day basis. Now they say you can have like 28 grams. Yeah. It was zero. Yeah. Well, you know, when the, when the world's health

organization tried to reduce the recommended amount of sugar to 5% of your die from 10% in the recommendations, Donald Rumsfeld, when he was under Bush to flu to Geneva and said, we're going to

pull out 400 million dollars of funding from you. If you do that, it's crazy. Yeah. I mean,

“that's how powerful the food industry is. They have infiltrated every aspect of our society.”

Oh, and. And not to mention them. They're basically a counter for most of the marketing and TV size pharma. Yeah. It's all junk food. I mean, I watch the Super Bowl last year. There was 11 junk food ads in the first half. I like their pushers. Yeah. They're pushes that they were doing this with, you know, heroin, we would see the danger. Well, it's addictive. I mean, the science is so clear in this, Megan, 14% of adults and kids are biologically addicted to food. This is a

according to the Yale Food Addiction Scale. It's a scientific ability metric for looking at food addiction. And I'm not talking about just like, oh, I love cookies because I don't cookies, but like people who really can't stop, like an alcoholic. That's staggering. And in these, these companies know this, they've designed the food to be like this. They, the tobacco companies bought in the 70s, a lot of the food companies like RJ and Obisco and Thor Morris Kraft, right? Yes.

And then they got out of cigarettes and into crackers. And they engineered these foods with taste institutes where they had craving experts to create the bliss point of food to create heavy users. These are their own internal terms they use. And the, in fact, they actually have take little two worlds and put them in MRI scanners to see which images will light up their brain and the pleasure center. So they'll see their mommy when they go to the grocery. I was

by this, by that, you know, give me the cocoa pebbles or whatever it is. That is so dark. I was just thinking about my little guy today at breakfast who was like, "Mom, there's this meal surface

“that will deliver the meals pre-made if you want to, you know, sign up." And I was like, "Well,”

they did a good job if they got to my 11-year-old who brought it to me at the breakfast table. I'd like you're definitely marketing to the right people." But there's so much to go over. I want to just say something about the food. Oh, is it true that bear bought it on sale? Yeah. So one of the biggest drug companies in the world about one of the biggest chemical companies in the world that's spraying our food with every, yeah, getting us sick by the day.

And then where do we go back to the medical companies? Well, it's actually bear who makes some of the drugs for non-hugged Islam fauma. Oh wow. And there's been multiple lawsuits that

had-- Yeah, there wasn't just one. Yeah, $2.1 billion settlement for glyphosate, which was round up

most of our urine, when I tested this, and you can see it. It's pretty scary. And they basically, on one hand, caused the disease, and then they, on the other hand, treat it with the drugs. Another second. It's a good business model. Go ahead and say it really scares me because one of the things you don't think about, even if you try to eat healthy, back to that guy who's carrying around his food everywhere, that billionaire is, what about when you go out to eat? You don't know.

What about when your kids go to school? You don't know. I mean, it's true. I mean, you could,

“you know, have your own garden in the back yard, but you have to eat if you're out in the road.”

I mean, you're like, you and I are out there doing stuff. You can't always control your foods coming

from unless you're a billionaire with your own private chef and your kitchen that flies around with you on your jet. But then I met with a super billionaire who had his own cows. He got his own meat from his own cows that were like, I mean, like, there are so many levels that he's going, but keep going. You don't know because they're in the restaurant. Those vegetables are probably treated with roundup. They're probably not getting organic vegetables in the restaurant,

probably not getting grass fed beef, not getting pasture chicken. So it's like, you need to eat at home. That's expensive. It's harder. People are busy. It's to the point of, it's also overwhelming. Yeah, it's all, but, you know, Ming and there's not an accident that Americans have been disenfranchised from their own kitchens. This is a deliberate plan by the food industry to make convenience king happen in the early '60s. They were worried about the advent of this

woman named Betty who was a homemade teacher. It was teaching about families how to cook and

“grow gardens. It's rocker? No, I'll get to that. I'll get to that. But, you know, there was federal”

extension workers that were teaching and if you know how to take care of themselves and actually do the things that are not that hard if you know what to do. And so the food industry freaked out about this and they invented Betty Crocker who was not a real person. I thought she was a real person. Yeah, she was not a real person. Thank you. Tell me, Aunt, my mom is not real. She's not real. But Betty Crocker, cookbook if you remember it because you probably had in your mom's kitchen when

you were at one can of Campbell's cream of mushroom soup to your pastoral. And one role of Brits Crackers, they insinuated process. It was delicious though. Okay, all right. But it was like the insinuated all this craft into our diet and then they, and then they got TV dinners and then, you know, we got, you know, the use of a break today. We got Fleshwinds Marjorin and Tang and all these foods that were to be thought. Yeah, I grew up on that stuff. And it turns out that this was not an accident.

This was a deliberate attempt to sort of, you deserve a break today. It was sort of the classic thing where women's live also kind of facilitate acts like get women out of the kitchen and women's liberation. I know it was in the kitchen at all. Right. And so we had now have generations of Americans who do not cook, who don't have basic life skills. I was, I was, I was, did a movie with,

“with um, um, years ago called Fed Up, which was, I think it's on Netflix. Yeah. It was about”

childhood obesity and it was talking about these issues. And it's part of the movie I went down to South Carolina into one of the worst food deserts in America in East East South Carolina. I worked with a family of five who lived in a trailer on food stamps and disability. So I had very limited resources and very limited access to good food. And the mother was in a massive way. The father was already at 42 on dialysis for kidney failure from type two diabetes.

The son was like 50% body fat a kid should be 10% and he was big guy. He's like Dr. I'm and I'm not going to be 100% body fat. I'm like, no, you're not. So that. And I said, I'm not going to get them to lecture. I'm going to go to their kitchen and I'm going to show them what's in their pantry. I'm going to show them what's in their freezer and in their fridge. And I'm going to help them understand the things that are harming them because everything

they're trying to do the right thing because they want the father who's weight or they can't get new kidney. So rather than give them a lecture, I taught them how to cook a simple meal. And it was from a little guide but called good food and a tight budget food that's good for you, good for your wallet and good for the planet. And it was like cheaper cuts of meat, cheaper vegetables. I mean, you know, stuff that, you know, would be considered someone as peasant food that my family

grew up on. And I did it with them and I didn't know what was going to happen. And the mother texted me a week later, she says, we lost 18 pounds of family and a year they lost 200 pounds. You know, they didn't even have cutting boards and knives. Everything was, you know, microwave or whatever. And they didn't. And they learned how to cook. And I gave them a cookbook and it was just it was like, I was like, wow, we're one meal away from transforming society. And I realized,

I had a bias. I had a judgment. I thought people who are overweight and I bought the implicit bias and medicine, which is eat less and exercise more, meaning it's your fault you're fat. You're lazy glutton and it's your fault. So get your shit together. But that's not true. Because people are hijacked. They're biochemistry's hijacked. They're brains can't hijacked. They're metabolism hijacked. They're hormones are hijacked. They're immune system hijacked.

They're microbiome is hijacked. And that drives you into this disease state that we have in America today. And so in this kid was the 16 year old. He lost 50 pounds. He had to go get a job and there was no place to get a job except fast food places on there. He gained 50 pounds back. No. He says, like, putting alcohol to work in a bar. Yeah. Totally. And then he texted me later. He's like,

hey, would you help me? And I helped him. He lost 132 pounds. First kid in his family to go to college.

Finish college. Email means to hate Dr. Hyman. Would you write me a letter recommendation

And yeah, that's to me that story is emblematic of the fact that we're literally one meal away from transforming the health of America. If we can go in, and Paul Farmer did this with TB and AIDS and Haiti. It was an intractable problem. They didn't have any water. They didn't have any water. They didn't have any sanitation and watches. And these drugs are complicated to take back then. And for multi drug resistant TB and AIDS. And he was like, we can fix this. And he was community

health workers, neighbors, helping neighbors. And so we, we, like, imagine if we created a workforce of community health workers to go out there and go into people's homes and show them how to do this. And we did this in Cleveland clinic. We did this. Honestly, I have the idea. We should take all the DEI instructors who are about to lose jobs and train them in nutrition and send them into all communities and educate people on it. I mean, I was shocked. I was at Cleveland Clinic. And

we, there was a hospital there that takes care of a big African American community that's very underserved. And we had a cooking class. And I thought a few people would show up.

“300 women showed up. Oh, God bless. And we, we had this big cooking class. That's what I need to.”

I need to just make food period. Never mind. Help it. All right. We're going to take a look

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beautiful dashboard that you can track your data over time. And then you know, as a physician, when I see a patient, I have to pull up the PDF of the results. And then look at the one from last year or the last month. And it's a pin in the ass. It's not digital. It's not visual, visually, like present in a graphic way that helps you understand where your trend lines are. And function has all that. But more importantly, it really has the deep insights that are formed

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Like who do I call? Well, we're still building the platform because we live on two years ago. We

have a success that we never quite imagined. But we're building a chat where you can interact with

your own data and ask questions. But you can go to your family doctor. You can go on to learn more from the platform itself because there's so much. You're not dispensing medical advice there. But you are giving people tools to go through your own deep insights about what things mean. And there are there are medical insights. But we're not telling you what to do or not do. But well, this leads me to my other important question, which is how do people find a functional medicine

“doctor? Good question. We need more of them. But I think part of the reason I co-founder function”

was that there aren't enough. There's thousands. There should be hundreds of thousands of practitioners so that millions of millions of people can access this. But before I die, I didn't want to die not having functional medicine being accessible to everybody or having their own health data being available to everybody. And so it's way of leapfrigging over a period where we don't have the

come to pass as a way it should be. Just as we now don't any longer do blood leeches or

right? I'll let me do for some moon healing or we don't have like drill holes when people's

“skulls that are not the bad evil humors. I mean, we advance in medicine. And I think, you know,”

this new generation of network systems medicine is going to this scientific paradigm is going to come to pass. This is a way of truly healing people and helping people get better as opposed to just you're going in. You're going to be governed by the insurance companies. You've been uprolimated on how much you can make and how much you can help. Yeah. And doctors need to learn about like, I mean, food is the biggest cause of disease and the biggest cure. And doctors

learn nothing about it. And it takes nothing. And Texas, I was testifying in front of the Health and Human Services Committee about a bill that was to actually start to educate doctors about nutrition and to mandate it in medical schools and in graduate medical education and residencies. I'm so excited about that because that'll be a domino effect. Once more, start, state starts to do it. It'll sort of be a trend. And then we can actually start to train

the new generation of doctors that is in the right paradigm. And nurses too. I mean, there's every doctor. There's so many people who can do this who, you know, short of getting an MD, which would be like, more accessible and more affordable for a lot of people too. So you mentioned several times the keto diet. I've had it mentioned to me. Many, I don't understand this still. No,

“I think I've looked it up, but it says it's more like fat. Well, it's pretty easy to understand.”

So your body is like a hybrid car. You can run an electric or in gas. Gas is dirty burning, electric is clean burning. Gas is carbohydrates. If your body runs very well in carbohydrates, but there's a lot of downstream consequences of having a high-starch carbohydrate diet.

For certain conditions, and this was first discovered to mess them with epilepsy,

we found that if you took away all the sugar and starch and you increased fat to like 75% you could actually stop seizures that no medications would touch. If you look back at the history of medicine and diabetes, the treatment of type one diabetes where your pink wrist is just serious. All these kids would die. And the way they would treat them would be putting money 75% fat diet. Jocelyn, saturated or un-saturated. Everything. The Lord, butter, and I mean by the way,

Megan, 25% of breast milk is saturated fat. Yeah. It's gotten a bad rap. It's gotten a bad rap. I mean, we can go into that too if you want, but but what was fascinating back in the teens and 20s was there was medicine was actually prescribing ketogenic diets for type one, diabetics to save their lives. And now we see that we can actually reverse what is predominantly a carbohydrate intolerant society where we have 75% overweight, 93%

metabolic, the broken meaning they have some problem with regulating blood sugar in insulin, 93% of us. I mean, 6% of us aren't probably you and me are for that 6% but it's not a lot of people.

And when you restrict carbohydrates and you increase fat, you actually switch basically from

a gas burning car to a electric burning car. And it's clean burning. But now we're finding it's effective for reversing type 2 diabetes for treatment of Alzheimer's for cancer. Siddhartha Mukherjee may have heard of him. He's a famous oncologist from Columbia, right in a book called The Amperball Maladies on the Pulitzer Prize. He's now doing research on ketogenic diets for instinctive cancer like melanoma and pancreatic cancer and seeing

complete reversals. Why? It's because, yeah, because basically cancer runs on sugar, but it's not like a hybrid engine. It can only run on carbs. It can't run on fat. So you starve it of the carbs and cancers cells die. It's pretty remarkable. So across a spectrum of its autism or Alzheimer's or cancer or texture diabetes or schizophrenia or depression or bipolar disease. How does this drive with the old eat food? Mostly plants. Not too much.

Not too much. Yeah, I think you can do it on a plant-rich diet and you can do it in a way that doesn't include a lot of junk and so put a lot of olive oil, olive oil or potatoes. Yeah, nuts and

“seeds and even people do well. I mean, I think you have to understand that there's certain”

people who'd better or do worse depending on their genetics. And so I had a patient who was overweight, who was struggling with lots of inflammation, who was pre-diabetic. This cholesterol was like 300, which should be 200 or triglystros, or 300 should be 100 or less. Her good cholesterol, we don't really like to call it good or bad, but the HDL was low, which is a sign of this metabolic dysfunction. And she was desperate to try to do something. This is the pre-ozympic era.

All right. So why don't you try a ketogenic diet? See what happens? And let's follow your numbers and see how you do everything corrected. Her cholesterol dropped 100 points. Her triglystros dropped 200 points, right? HDL went up 30 points. She lost 25 pounds and she felt great. And so and her pre-diabetes went away. So depending on the person, it can be a very effective tool, but it's not like a one-size-fits-all. Why? Is it much fat bad for like somebody who's their

we call lean mass hypereresponders. There are certain people who when you have a perfect metabolic health. In other words, you have no pre-diabetes or insum resistance and no inflammation. And you're fit athlete. And you're basically a lot of lean mass and not a lot of fat on your body. When they consume high saturated fat or ketogenic diets, they'll have a really dramatic increase in their LDL cholesterol. Now, this is something that doctors have been trained as bad and that

you immediately have a knee-jerk reaction to prescribe a statin drug, which is the number one class of drugs sold in the world. Now, some of these people have LDLs not under 70, which cardiologists would like, or even under 100, which is their lab reference range, but they have LDLs of 234,500, 700. And they have no heart disease through imaging tests. Right, because

like the calcium score, calcium score. And so this is like a revolutionary new bit of data that's

now emerging from the scientific literature like what is going on here? How does this work? Well,

“when you don't eat sugar, you have to transport energy around the body. And how do you do it through”

fat, right? And what is the biggest fat carrier? It's your life of proteins, which are disfat and water don't mix, right? So you can't just put fat in your blood, you have to connect it to proteins. So what does LDL mean? It's low density life of protein. It's a life of homies fat, protein. So you put a fat and protein together. It can be transported through your body for energy and other sources. So it's really, it's fasting. The science is constantly evolving.

And I think for certain people, ketogenic tests can be life changing. Like life changing, I've treated schizophrenia with it. You know, Alzheimer's with it, autism with it, depression with it, obviously, type 3 diabetes with it. And you can reverse up to 60 to 70 percent of type 2 diabetes. It's very advanced where people are on insulin. When I was in medical school, chronic disease

or chronic, they never went away to reverse heart failure, to reverse diabetes, to reverse

can you issues, to reverse hypertension? These things don't happen in traditional medicine. Well, what about the thought of mixing the keto diet with Mediterranean? Because that's the other one that everybody loves medicine. Yeah, yeah. Well, you can eat a medicine diet, but that's not sorry, a ketogenic diet, a very specific thing that happens in your body. Do you do go on keto, like forever? Some people do. Some people do, and they thrive on it. Other people don't do well on it.

“So I think it's very important. Like try it for a month and get your influence on it.”

You need about, you know, usually six weeks to adapt to become fat adapted to your metabolism shifts over. And then you can see where you're at and then check your numbers. But, you know, there's a coming to cover to health that's reversing type 2 diabetes with an online program

of ketogenic diets. And not only have they seen 60 percent reversal, not only they've seen 12 percent

weight loss, which is massive. It's good as any of these drugs they're out there now. But, and actually they've done a parallel study like comparing just, you know, their program to those MPIC. And those drugs, and they're equally effective in the outcome. So it's not something magic about those MPIC. It's their weight loss, you know. And it's the, it's the change in metabolic health. And so you can do it through various, various ways, whether it's a drug or whether it's

where it's a ketogenic diet. And they found their lipid biomarkers. They were 20 different cholesterol and heart disease risk factors. All got better by eating a super high-fat diet. Right? So, what would, and again, so you're saying, but also saturated fats. So like, well, that would be like red meat like the fat on that you get more like, I'm kind of think what's what's good for you saturated fat? I know bad for you saturated fat is in the ultrasound process

foods. Well, transfat is basically the worst. That's the worst you can do. And that's basically vegetable oil shortening. And they call it shortening because it's shortening your life. You know, you know, any things called for that, by the way, having like a daughter who's in eighth grade. Every time she has to make brownies or cookies for this school, you know, all of it wants actual vegetable oil. Yeah. And like, she's, I don't know if you can use olive oil. I'm like, you're using it.

You know, the oil cake. I mean, yeah, it's fine. Actually, it tastes a little different.

“I think best, but it's healthier, I think. Yeah, you can. And so, you know, there's, there's a”

tremendous amount of emerging data, the saturated fats aren't the boogieman we thought they were. You know, there was, it was a long history of the scientists, named Ancel Keys in the 60s, who basically did a study called the seven country study, which showed that people who had higher levels of saturated fat and higher LDL and higher heart disease risk. But they left out the other 14 or 15 countries where their data didn't match that, like Switzerland or France or

right. So, you know, like, I was Jeremy picking a little bit. And then we got into this era of low fat. And that led to the food pyramid, which told us to eat six to 11 servings of bread rice you know, pasta day, which we did like a beautiful pot. I mean, that was a nice topic. Let's be honest. We did a good old day. Beautiful citizens. And what happened to America? We exploded. I mean, I mean, that sour dough, I need more. That's right, that's not so bad. But

but the, the diabetes rates explode. I mean, triple the obesity rates and triple the diabetes rates. You can see it. And this is not a genetic problem. You see those memes online where they show Americans in the 1900s and they're all for so other well dressed. And second of all, they're all slim. All of them are slim. It's very rare to see, you know, these person even in the United States.

60s were healthier than white Americans. They were thinner and they had less disease. Now, it's the opposite. You know, which I'll cover to tech certain communities like New Orleans or Chicago. And there were 70% of the deaths were from 30% of the population, which was African American.

And when you watch like, there's a movie called Amazing Grace, or the Reath of Franklin,

it was filmed in 1970 in Oakland. There was an overweight black person, you know, audience. And she wasn't overweight. Wow. And you go like, wow, that's crazy. And now 80% of African women are overweight. And obesity rates and heart disease rates and hypertension rates and kidney failure rates for oxy. And you can tie this to ultra-process foods and to the demonization of fat and elevation of sugar. Yeah. Yeah. And that was the problem. And now we've kind of

“reverse that trend. And I think, you know, it's a big sort of canker ship to move, but we have to”

do it because we're we're not only threatening our personal health. We're threatening our natural security 70% or 77% of recruits for the military are rejected because they're unfit to fight because they're overweight or other reasons because of their diet. You've got global competitiveness being a challenge. We're like 30 something in math and reading in the world because kids are can't learn in school because they're all doped up on these drugs and eating sugar and these

chemicals in the food that are causing ADV behaviors issues and all sorts of questions. And depression. And I heard you talk about this, too. This is like everybody you go to a therapist today, whether it's you or a child. The first thing you want to do is prescribe you something. They want to get your college age kid hooked on a drug like that. They're like, they helped a lot of people. There's no explanation of, no one would ever ask, what are you eating? No one. No one. It's true.

It's true. I mean, it's it's the most amazing thing to me because it's so obvious. But as doctors

we learn that disease really doesn't have anything to do in nutrition. If you go to your metallurgium and autoimmune disease, it's something that you do with nutrition. If you go to GI doctor, I mean, I'm like, what did you do? I mean, you're putting pounds of this foreign stuff in your mouth every day. How does it not impact what's going in your gut? It's like, it's kind of true. If you're feeling depressed, you're feeling anxiety. Rule number one should probably be

take a look at what you're eating. Yeah. What are you eating? Yeah. I mean, I have an incredible approach to one of my patients where I put them on a reset program. It's like hitting your body's factor reset button. So go back to your original factor resetting. Yeah. And I call the 10-day detox diet. I've written a book about it. There's a website where you can kind of go and 10-day detox diet.com

“and actually learn about it and do it if you want to. And what's amazing is that in 10 days,”

there's a 70% reduction in all symptoms from all diseases. What sounds crazy for me to say it, but I've done this so many times with so many people and track their symptoms and how they feel. And it allows them to see the connection between what they're eating and how they feel. Oh, I didn't know that this constant congestion I had was from when I was eating. I didn't know that this rash that I got on my body all the time I can't get rid of is from what I mean.

I didn't know that my stomach issues were related to it, but our my sleep issues are my depression

or my migraines or whatever it is, food is generally the first place to look. And if you can

clean the deck and take out the best stuff and put in the good stuff, you know, taking all the processed foods, all the sugar and starch, putting lots of vegetables, could help me, you know, protein, lots of nuts and seeds, and get out all the ultra-process foods, the body is so smart. It's like quickly changes. And I'm sort of, I'm sort of shocked when I see it and it's repeatable every single time. Can we talk about red meat?

Is there a lot of people who are on this like carnivore diet? Yes, there's a carnivore red meat all the time. We've got the carnivores on one side. No, we think of it as Argentinian and he's like, every single member of my family had LDLs through the roof and no heart disease. And they lived into their low hundreds. Yeah. And they all they did was eat steak. That's it. Well, they had grasped steak in Argentina. Yeah, right. So there's no industrial. But what's

I mean, when I was growing up in like the 80s, they were like, I remember because I was a a young aerobics instructor and my fellow aerobics instructors were shaming themselves having meat more than once a week. Yeah. And I was like, I didn't even know that was bad. Well, that was the result of this demonization of saturated fat. Because I mean, it has some saturated fats. So if you eat that, you're basically going to kill yourself. So there's a whole

era where people were eating very low amounts of meat. And their meat consumption has gone lean down. And it didn't mean that all the disease rates went down. So something didn't kind of line up. And what happened with meat is that we kind of got confused because a lot of the population studies that were done at that time and population studies do not show cause and effect. They just look at trend lines. And then it may be a cause or it may be a correlation. And

what they found was that people who were meat eaters in those eras actually had more disease. But when you look at the specifics of their behaviors, the meat eaters in those studies, they ate 800 calories more a day. They drank more. They need their fruits and vegetables. They need more sugar. They didn't exercise. They smoked. Yeah, there you go.

“That's why they were a sicker. It wasn't because of the meat. And when you look at studies,”

for example, when they've done this for 11,000 people who shopped at health food stores who

they both had their risk of death reduced in half. It's because they weren't eating all the crap.

“Right? So it's not the meat. It's what you eat with it. Is it the burger or is it the bun?”

And the sugar, you know, I have to, I just noticed this the other day. But for example, my kids love ice cream. And I was just looking at those, you can get those like dark chocolate bars at Whole Foods. I like the one that's like mint black out. And then even it's over 90% you know, cattle. Yeah, which is going to mean it has less sugar. You can have four squares of that chocolate, which is a decent size. It's for the, you know, if you're watching this

on YouTube, it's like about this big. Yeah. Maybe a little smaller, but about around there. And it's only five grams of sugar. Yeah. Like if you really have a Jones for something sweet after dinner, you could have that for five grams. We could have a big bowl of ice cream, which might have 30, even more grams of sugar. People even know what a gram. I mean, this is an example of how the food ministry has taken over our government in labeling. And we're trying to change

front of package labeling and food labels. But no one knows what a gram is sugar is. If I say four grams of the teaspoon, if I say this soda has 15 teaspoons of sugar, you're going to like blank and look twice. If you say it has 39 grams of sugar or 40 grams of, you're not going to

“know what that means. No. And that's what teaspoon is about four grams. Yeah. Okay. That's on purpose.”

Right. You know, I mean, you have to have a PhD nutrition to decipher one of those laborers. They make it so hard to make it really hard. So I think, you know, in other countries, they have better front of package labeling, which is either red. This is going to kill you yellow eat with caution. Green, you can use much. You want a bit or, you know, they put morning labels in South America.

They have big like octagon stop signs with this. God, Grosbo. Yeah, basically. I mean,

I don't mean this South America. If you go to on a plane in South America, you get your snacks. It's like you can't even. It was a lot of like three different kind of stop signs on them, but you can basically warning labels. It's a good idea. Yeah. I mean, on a can of soda, which is a die soda, they put in warning labels. It says, this is going to harm your kid. This can cause neurologic issues and don't drink and don't feed them. Oh, my God.

I mean, great. More like it. Yeah. Our executive producer has a third grader. He has two kids, but one of them is in third grade. And he has a question I bet a lot of our listeners have. Yeah. Which is what can you pack in a lunch that is healthy for a third grade child? And frankly, for most children, because you try to send, try to send your kid to school with a bag lunch or send your kid on a field trip. And they'll bring it with another kid for the junk food.

You know, and, and I too don't know where to be. It's so hard. They're not going to eat a salad

first of all. No, you don't even sell it. But, you know, it's really, it should be real food. And there's

lots of yummy things that kids can eat that they like that aren't bad for them. And what we need to do is stop putting lunch rolls and gogurs and all these sort of industrially designed foods that aren't technically delicious. My doctor says yogurt is a lie. Right. He doesn't mean non-fat Greek yogurt. He's talking about, or full-fat Greek yogurt. No, he's not talking about that. He's not talking about, you know, yogurt that's not sugary. Yeah. I mean, be alone. You can get your like, you know,

sweet and yogurt that's low fat. That is more sugar per ounce than a soda. Yeah. But you can, you know what? I have this almost every day for breakfast. I have, I'll either get non-fat or 2% the phage, phahe, yogurt, Greek yogurt. Can I get the full-fat? I don't know. I don't want to, you know, I'm a little worried. And I'll put like blueberries in there and I'll put some chia seeds in there and I'll put some hemp seeds in there. I mean, I'm just, I don't even know why I'm just told

those are good for you. They're protein, I guess. Protein and good fats. And sometimes else, sprinkle just a little low sugar granola in there, which you can get with no seed oils on it. You got a lot of granola now. You got to look for that. But not too much, because you don't want to like completely overload it with sugary products or whatever, but it's so good. It ties me over for hours. And I love it. And I know it's good for me. And if you, you know, if you make your home

a safe zone, your teacher gets about food, you cook with them, you show them what foods about.

“That's what they learn. Okay, but let's give them an actual possibility. That could go in there.”

What could be in their school lunch? Yeah, what could go in there? I mean, you could put, like, I don't know. I mean, like, you can make a sandwich out of healthy stuff, right? You could have, uh, blanking now, because I haven't packed my kids lunch like shit that you can't do chicken nuggets, can you? Or can you do like the organic ones that you get it on? Yeah, you could do that. I mean, you could do that that are that are not, you know, deep fried in the room.

You can't get sliced deli meat, right? Now, sliced deli meat's not good. That's the devil. Yeah, the baloney sandwiches with mayo and bread. I mean, you shouldn't be putting a sandwich in there. I mean, you could have been, if it's whole grain bread and you, you know, you know, the source of it.

I think the kids need to eat real food. And what's the problem is that they're not eating

real food. And there are, there are great guides on how to do this. I'm, I'm, I'm like, thanking on school lunches, because basically, I have an apple and apple fruit cheese. Cheese can be far away with cheese. Yeah, cheese can be fine. I prefer a sheep or goat cheese. What else, Steve? What else do we need to know? Hold on. Let's see if there's a follow-up.

Like, meat-like turkey, sliced turkey, roast meat. We'll, we'll, we'll, like, not deli. Not deli, take it, because that's like kind of ground up and mixed with all kinds of stuff. Like a chicken breast that you cooked yourself the night before in avocado oil. Someone got it. That's past your race. Yeah. Okay. It's just so much harder than it should be. And I was like, well, the defaults are, are the wrong choices. How do we make the defaults

to easy choices? And the right choices? Yeah, I don't know. I, like, even in the summers, I'm sure there are a lot of parents out there who can relate to this. The summers, the family eating goes to hell. The kids daily eating, because they're all over the place. You know, our kids go to this day camp. And then they swing by the, the ice cream place that has a great menu, like a diner kind of place. And they're all eating just terrible food all day long.

Yeah. I don't even know what the alternative is. You know, like, without hiring a chef to live in your house and come up with healthy options for all three meals, you know, they're eating bagel with cream cheese in the morning. And then they're eating like a cheese steak for for lunch. And then, you know, I'll get them for dinner. But it's so hard. It is. And that's the whole point of what needs to change in our policies to change the things from the top down. So that we

produce food that's healthier, that we have clear labeling on foods that people know if they're getting, that we have access in a way that we don't have now to healthier options. And so those

“things will take time. And I think that's what the Trump administration is trying to do. I”

hope they succeed. I think there's a sort of attention between the USDA and HHS because the USDA

basically is to support farmers. And not necessarily support the health of Americans. And they

essentially are creating all that is eases inadvertently that health and human services and Medicare and Medicaid are having to take care of. Swift, beware of you. Like the right hand is actually making the last hand jobs a lot harder. So what do you, how do you like our FKJ's chances of succeeding in this job given all these forces? He's got a lot of force to rate against him. I mean, there's a multi-filling our industry that is basically wanting him to fail. And it's threatened.

The food industry, farming industry, the pharmaceutical industry, it's not a small thing. And I think you know, if President Trump gets behind him and supports him, I think if he's able to get clear on what his objectives are, if he's able to sort of get on the low hanging fruit and have to win the easy wins, I think they'll win. So for example, getting all the added in chemicals out of food is starting to happen. And then there's 30 plus bills around the country in different states.

“Some of them tend to them, I think are Democrats less, most of the rest of the Republic and”

that. And they're, for example, to get rid of the chemicals and dyes and food or to have snap waivers to get rid of soda and snap. These things are happening. And nutrition education, like in Texas, for doctors, or stop punishing kids by restricting recess and jab, you know, like they need it. There's things happening that are sort of the mom movement is sort of catalyzed this

groundswell that I am sort of shocked. I mean, I, I never thought it's awesome. I hear Cali means

drop it all the times. He's like, you're going to tell the maha moms out there that you won't take sugar out. And they're like, it's great. He's using it and he should because the, the maha mom thing is real. Like they're out there and they're pissed off about what's been done. I'm 100 hundred percent mom. Happily and proudly. Because I'm pissed off about what the, what these industries have done to me, to my family, how hard they've made it for us all, how expensive they've made it for us.

Why? And the government's been sort of inclusion a little bit. Yeah. That's the problem. Why? And most people can't afford to shop at Whole Foods. It's very expensive. But it's so hard to get more money. It's the vegetable. Walmart is the biggest organic

“grocery in the country. It is. It is the biggest. There's not a Walmart near me. That's why.”

There are Walmart's near most of underserved populations. So, I mean, I shot the Walmart and, you know, during COVID, I was helping different people who couldn't get food and I would go get food. I was like, wow, I can feel it. A giant, like grocery cart full of real food. That's good for 500 bucks. Grass fed. Like a giant Walmart cart. Not your regular grocery cart. Yeah. That grass fed. It's like real food. Okay. You know, meat, vegetables, you know, how important is the grass fed thing?

In the higher care things, I think it's less important. Okay. And it's more important to have regenerative culture to rebuild our soil and to rebuild farms. In terms of your health, I think the kind of trade-off between eating real food and eating process food. I would skip the organic and I would skip that. Okay. I mean, this is my salary

seriously, but in terms of like having a choice, if you can afford it. Yep. I would, I would always

choose the relative sense. Yeah. The real food versus the process. In fact, I want to really jay. They definitely want to destroy him. And so, one of my feelings is for the next four years, hopefully he decides to keep the job that long. We need to be super wary of hit pieces on him, because the odds are they've been planted. I wanted his detractors just in the news now. They're trying to blame him for this measles outbreak down in Texas in a community of men and

nights who don't take vaccines and never have long before Bobby Kennedy. Yeah, never mind became HHS secretary. It's like he went down there at an empathy to this old. And they're like, you,

it's totally organic. Oh, it's not. I mean, it's, it's really not. I mean, it's sort of a sort of

“incidious. I mean, the, the, the, uh, with Dr. Oz, they did this New York Times published a piece on”

him years ago, taking him down, because this group called the American Council in Science and Health had a wrote a letter to Columbia to take him off the faculty, because he was a quack. And there was, you know, like sort of eight or nine doctors on the letterhead that was from the American Council on Science and Health. When you look at who that group is, they're funded by the pesticide industry, by the big food manufacturers, by Big Pharma, by Tobacco. Wow. And, and they

basically say that pesticides, cigarettes, and trans fats are fine. We shouldn't worry about them.

And they come after me. Is it because he was pushing supplements on his show, like as an advertiser? I mean, maybe that was their case. But he, maybe, but he, you know, he also was challenging things about the food system. Yeah. Oh, no, I mean, I'm saying that's the excuse to count. Yeah. And, and, and when you look at who that group was, like, one of the guys spent years in jail for Medicare fraud. You know, like, and, and I was sort of shocked that the New York Times

is a investigative journalist, you know, out of it, I thought, and it wasn't. They, I mean, it took me like 10 minutes to figure out who these people were by Googling them. Yeah. And what their backgrounds were, and why they had this opinion, and what this group was about. And there's so many of these front groups out there that seem noble, and high-minded, the American Council on Science and Health, who would not believe what they have to say, right? Or, like, in another, laying the American Academy

of Pediatrics. Yeah, 100%. We used to trust, and now should not. All of the, I mean,

whether it's American Diabetes Association, American Heart Association, American Chemistry and Pediatrics. They, some of them are doing good things. But, on the other hand, they're also funded in large part by farm and food industry. Well, why are wired? Pediatrics and still pushing the flu vaccine on us, and grown up doctors, too. I talk to those things in advance. I do not understand, you know, in medicine and science, the whole point is to question your assumptions,

and science is based on hypotheses that challenge given assumptions. So, it's really about the questions. When you start to ask questions about vaccines, you're all of a sudden a heretic, and you're actually eating our video right now. For real information about vaccines, go to the CDC. Yeah, you're, you're excommunicated as a scientist as a doctor. When I was a Cleveland clinic, I had written an article years before I joined about a kid who was an autism that I

treated. And in the history, I said, this is the history, and this is the kid had, you know, or my C section, or Tuck antibiotics, or had gut issues, or had this. And, you know, mother said, she was actually a VP of Pfizer said, you know, by the way, you know, my kid had his MMR vaccine, and after that, he seemed to get regressive autism. And I'm not saying it was a cause. I'm just saying, I've wrote about it as part of the medical history. And in the, even at the,

at the beginning of the article, you wrote a disclaimer, I said, I'm not saying that vaccines cause autism. I'm just saying, like, this is part of the story. Part of the story. And the, this kind of got up through the drinks at Cleveland Clinic, and the pediatric department said,

“you have to write a letter stating that you are a hundred percent support of vaccines, or you basically”

fired. What? Like, that's the kind of, that's the kind of thinking in medicine, and whether you're J about a cherry who got, you know, kind of blacklisted, or your people have started to question things. We should be asking questions. And when you look at vaccine history, there's great benefit, but also we should be honest. There are like any other medical treatment that has benefits in risk with the code vaccine. We saw my carditis and other issues. I mean, young adults who got

vaccinated more than once had a greater risk of my carditis from the vaccine than they got from COVID. That's just, this published in major peer-of-view journals. This is not a part of you know, not a her allergic opinion. But what's so annoying about it. So now you can say it

because it's been published and so on. But at the time, when we were first seeing signs of it,

and you had like pediatric cardiologists coming forward to say, hold on, I'm seeing this, even then when they knew something might be developing, they completely stifled debate for outing of those concerns. That's what that's when it was most needed. And but also most

“banned, you know, or like, you couldn't talk about it. Yeah, it's kind of nuts. I mean, I think it's”

just that we can't trust the American public to deal with anyone's conversation to teach them about the benefits and the risk to help them understand the difference between sterile immunity and disease immunity. Sterile immunity is you get measles vaccine in every day of measles. To disease immunity is you get a vaccine like flu vaccine or coaxing, you reduce your risk of getting the disease or the severity of disease or hospitalization or death. That's a very different thing.

So when they say it's safe and effective, that's a trope that doesn't make any sense. Nothing in medicine is safe and 100% effective or 100% safe. Whether it's, you know, getting an injection for a procedure, you can potentially get infection, you can be bleeding. I mean, I mean, I had backstory and I, you know, after, you know, I had a huge bleed into my spine. It was a doctor didn't do it on purpose, but it was a complication advice.

Yeah, so there are benefits and risks to anything in medicine to any drug aspirin. I mean, we used to think aspirin was God's gift to mankind. People were taking it every day. Everybody should take a aspirin to prevent heart attacks and then the data started emerging as doctors continued it as questions. We should be asking questions. Oh, let's look at this again.

in people who are at low risk for heart disease from brain bleeds and GI bleeds, stomach bleeds, then from preventing heart attacks. So let's restrict the use of it to those who are the highest risk, which is what we should be doing in medicine, causing learning evolving growing. But when it comes to vaccine, you can't even ask the question. So, you know, I, I've been back saying, you know, I, you have my kids back saying, I mean, I, I'm not heading to you vaccine.

“I think they're an important part of our medical arsenal, but they're not like perfect and they have”

problems and we should be studying this. Yeah, nothing is above questions in medicine or shouldn't be. And you know, we're in a new era where when people say it's, it's, it's the bunk, it's been settled, and anything is just things in there, so anti science. Right. It's amazing. Those words should be retired. Exactly. But I mean, you look, we're now, we've got Trump, we've got Bobby, we've got Jaybetta, Charlie, we've got Marty McCary, like we're, we're slowly, but surely turning this aircraft

carrier around, but it's going to require like antenna for the attacks on them. Yeah. And voices, you know, we're going to have to get pissed off and follow the Callie means method of yelling at everybody. I told him, he's got to come down. I said, getting in the car, he's got to like just chill out.

I don't know, never. I disagree, Kelly, don't listen to Mark. I said, I'm going to take a break. We'll

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“And when you sign up for the package, I think it's normally like 500 bucks a year. You get 100 bucks off.”

That is so well worth it. I know you may be thinking, no, I can. I got, that's like you said about a dollar a day for your health. Like actually to find out potentially if you have cancer, like this seems smart. Now, let's talk about the weight loss drugs because it seems like one of the first things that Trump did in the Maha lane was to take them off of the Medicare and Medicaid to options. And but that seems counterintuitive because being fat causes everything. It's true. It's,

it's complicated. I mean, Medicare Part D is the drug benefit for Medicare. It's $145 billion.

If you treated all the obese people in Medicare with those MPIC, it would be, I think $267 billion. Just for that. But wouldn't it then lower the cost of all the other things they need? It might, it might. But the question is, is there a different way to go about this? And can you get the same benefits and what is going on with our food system and the causes of this? So it's easy to look at that quick fix or the quick jab. It's going to sell all your problems. But it doesn't come with

that risk. So when you take these drugs, when you might feel nauseous and not feeling right. So it's probably why how it works. It makes you not want to eat because you don't feel good. So who wants to rock around with that? And most people will discontinue it after the first year. I mean, it's, it's a big discontinuation rate because of the side effects. Not only that. Those are short term kind of short of side effects. But we see a 400% increase in bowel instruction, which needs surgery. We see a

900% increase in pancreatic injury. We see increases in thyroid cancer. Then we be able to debate that whether it's just an animal or not. But it's still a concern. And you see people losing half their weight as muscle. Muscle is where your metabolism is. So here's the problem. You lose, let's say 50 pounds. Half that's muscle. You get off the drug because most people stop it. You came back the weight. Now it's all fat. All fat. So then you could be the same weight

you wear when you started. Except a lot of metabolism. A metabolism will be slower because muscle

“from seven times the calories is fat. So you need to eat less at the same weight just to”

maintain that weight. So it's a slippery slope. Unless you are, and I think this is something that we've talked about in some of the policy conversations we have had. If you're going to give this drug, it must be delivered along with a nutrition counseling program that makes you eat at least a gram of protein per ideal body weight. So let's say, per pound of ideal body weight. So let's say you're 120 pounds. 120 grams of protein. And a strengthening program.

So you keep your muscle. And if you don't do that, it's a huge risk on the backside of it. You're going to be skinny fat. Skinny fat. It's right. It's a terrible situation. Nobody wants to be skinny fat. It's like you look good and close. But then we take the clothes off. It goes downhill. It's another word for a coltofi, not tofu. Then on the outside fat on the inside. Oh yeah, nobody wants that. That's fine until you get to each season. And it's, yeah. These aren't important events in medicine.

But they have to be prescribed intelligently. They have to be done on the right way for the right person. It's not a tendency for everything. And we have to fix our food system. And we have to fix the reason why we're not. More of it, Leo B's come in person come in to see you. You wouldn't consider, like saying, you know, I want to check out, is that? Yeah, I think, you know, what did we do before this? You know, the zomen working with me who's been working on my nonprofit for years.

She's now the first late at West Virginia. She lost over a hundred pounds just following

some simple guidance that I gave her about what to do. She's a brilliant woman, but she didn't

diabetes. I hypertension. She had multiple stance put in. She had fatty liver. Her kidneys were

starting to fail. I mean, she was on her way to her kidney and a heart transplant. And within three days in this sounds crazy, but she was offered insulin by changing her diet. Three months, she reversed her type beatings, her A1C, which is your average blood sugar, went from 11 to five and a half, which is normal. Her heart failure reversed. We call the injection fracture. It was how much blood you're going to pump out her minute. Again, that got back to normal from being low. Her kidneys got

better. Her fatty liver went away. She got her medications. She saved $20,000 in copay. I don't know what you medicare was covering for her, but that was her copay. You save a lot of money. And it's just about teaching people the basics of what to do. And most people don't know, like the family I was talking about. This was the preosemic area. There were a lot of people know and they just, they, some people bury her. It's something we'll do. It's him and just don't know. And I think, you know,

“that's what I have changed over the years. I sort of believed, like I said earlier, that people”

who were overweight or who have these conditions, they know better, but they just don't do it. No, it's not. They don't know. They don't know because the host society has sort of made it hard for them to know. I gotta ask you, this is a different category, but I gotta get this in. EMF and RF. This is, like, should we be worried about it like, Wi-Fi and youth and, and the note and so called dirty electricity coming out of your outlets. Yeah. How big of an issue is it? I don't know.

I don't think there's a lot of good data. I think there's some data that maybe some issues in him about. When you think about it, we're electromagnetic beings and you have your heartbeat, your brain waves. We can see those electrical signals. You know, I mean, you know that if you go in a certain areas, it's interference with your phone. So, stuff actually, we know impacts are electromagnetic system. How it's linked to disease, you know, how bad it is. I think it's very hard

to understand or study because you can't do a randomized control trial with this. Yeah. Can't, like, take part. Wouldn't we all be coming down with cancer if, well, exposure to Wi-Fi caused it? Yeah. I mean, I mean, I mean, everybody, we are. I mean, I think as we are seeing increasing cancer rate. So, people say, oh, heart disease, deaths have gone down. Yes, because we have better treatments, but has the incidence gone down? No, we've seen more people, the heart disease,

more people with cancer, more people with every single chronic disease Alzheimer's diabetes, you name it, how to mean disease, it's getting worse across the board. And so, it's multifactorial, it's not just one thing and could it be a factor? Yeah, but I think you think twice about having Wi-Fi in your house? No, I do, but I turned off in my bedroom. And I know, and I noticed this, and this is totally anecdotal. When I go camping or I'm sleeping outside, I like, I sleep better.

I might, my whole well-being changes and I could be nature, it could be a lot of other things,

but I always wonder if the hour, sometimes even when the power goes out, because, you know, when the

power goes out, sometimes it goes out for three or four days. Like, wow, I feel a lot better. I sleep better, you know, I mean, it's kind of amazing. So, that's anecdotal. But I think, I think it's something we felt that there's, what you see, you see, I had line every other day that young people, like, people in their 20s, are getting colon cancer at really alarming. Yes, yeah. Is that true? And do you understand? Yes, 100 percent true. I think the why is a question. My view is that it's related

to the change in a microbiome from our diet, and from the increased load of environmental toxins, and that's probably driving most of it. What about antibiotics? You were talking about the one-momum with the messed up microbiome, and you mentioned you gave her antibiotics. I thought antibiotics caused a bad one. Well, they can be good, they can be bad. So, she had an overgrowth of bacteria called Cibo, which is small intestinal bacterial overgrowth, and she also had Cibo, which is small intestinal

“fungal overgrowth. So, as soon as you need to get rid of the bad guys, like, if you have a parasite,”

you need to be parasitic medication. I would love to get a parasite. Every woman, I know, dreams of that. Yeah, we're on for weight loss, yes. I mean, there's already a company, we're on for weight loss. No, we took my hair status and I were joking during the COVID pandemic. If Dr. Fauci would just say there's some Mozambique, and there was COVID vaccines, everybody would get it. Everybody would get it. Every single woman on earth would be like,

I'll take it. I want all my boosters. I mean, you know, antibiotics have a role in medicine,

but we, you know, we weigh overuse them. I mean, there's 29 million pounds of antibiotics

to use an animal feed to prevent infection from overcouting. There's about a couple of million that use for humans for therapy. So, that's crazy. Anybody resistant to kill 700,000 people a year. It's kind of a big issue, and it's a big big problem. But, you know, for certain indications, for example, like Bell overgrowth, there's specific antibiotics that are not absorbed, that can be taken, that are generally well tolerated, and that you have to then rebuild the gut

“after. So, you know, you have to, how hard is it to rebuild the gut after an antibiotics course?”

It's not that hard if you take probiotics, if you eat healthy diet, if you feed your microbiome, vital chemicals, and fiber, it can come back. Okay. Yeah. I've been taking this like, shot, not not for antibiotics, just because I don't know. Everybody says it was because of raw, it's like honey, what is the apple cider vinegar, and some lemon. It is the most disgusting. I, like, you take it, and you're like, oh, yeah. Is this important?

I mean, it can be, it can be good to change the patient's stomach. I don't,

mented stuff, they say that you should eat like a sour crowd and pickled this and pickled that.

“I don't know. I, like, I don't like this diet. I don't have in star deans, and I'll love my”

vinegar drink. And I don't want to eat a bunch of sour. I do like the, but yogurt's good, too, right? I mean, can I do that instead of the apple cider vinegar? If it's not industrial yogurt, yes.

Okay. It's industrial. What do you mean? I mean, like, factory firm cows that are

pumpling antibiotics hormones, and it gets into the middle. I don't know how I found that out.

“I didn't consider that. Well, you can buy organic. I don't think mine is organic. I have”

to go look at that immediately. I didn't consider it. Okay. So in some, we need to detoxify our

ourselves. We need to detoxify our environment. You mentioned mold. You mentioned lime. All the

ultra processed foods by organic. Yeah. Ultra processed. I mean, if you could get a message out that's simple, it's like, you know, if it's a food that you can't recognize or make in your kitchen with the ingredients that you have in your kitchen, you probably should need it. Don't eat. If you don't have mutilated hydroxy Italian, that you put on your vegetables or your drink on your steak,

“don't buy food with it. Yeah. Better save this. I don't think you need to get rid of your pantry.”

I think we need to fridge biopsy for most people. Yeah. If you're biopsy, we need to get rid of this stuff that's harmful. Yeah. I think that's the thing that most people can do. They can look at their kitchen, go through everything. And I read a lot about some of my books, but how do you actually have a healthy pantry? How do you get rid of this things that are harmful? And if you go through there and look at the ingredients,

if it's stuff you don't recognize, get rid of it. If you can't pronounce it if it's in Latin, don't need it. You know, like, it has weird ingredients, like, monsters or your kids. Yeah, or your kids. Yeah. Yeah. So what you're saying is that my mom is serving me wild berry high sea with every meal was not exactly the best choice. No. Linda. Oh, Linda. Where is this is where we went wrong. That's right. Dr. Mark Hyman, it's a pleasure. Pleasure. Function health is the name of the company.

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