Matthew McConaughey and Dave Portnoy - Megyn Kelly's "Double Feature" of Fascinating Interviews

Beast. Hey everyone, I'm Megan Kelly. Welcome to the Megan Kelly Show and today's double feature mega episode. Alright, Matthew McConaughey is one of the biggest stars in America, but he doesn't live in Hollywood. He lives in Texas where he was raised and there's a really good reason for that. It turns out some of the things that make us gravitate toward Matthew

come from his down home nature and his refusal to succumb to the glitz and glam of the Hollywood

“weirdos in in this interview. I think you'll come to like him even more than you probably”

already do. And then there's the bar stool sports founder Dave Portnoi who's got some very

sharp elbows and some very sharp takes and is always entertaining to listen to. So we have

a fun pairing for you. I spoke with Dave in person together at Series XM. It was a great conversation in Joy both and I'll see you Monday. I'd never been on stage. I'd never done acting before. I mean any of that. Today on the Megan Kelly Show from Small Town, Texas to the bright lights of Hollywood. Matthew McConaughey burst onto the scene with a line that became legend.

Oh, right, all right, all right. From breakout star to King of the romantic comedies. You ever think about the night of the park? The nice guy rolls and nothing wrong with that. I was so successful at him that in the dramas I wanted to do Hollywood was not offering me. Even if I took a huge pickup, they're like, no, no, no McConaughey stay in your line.

At the height of all that fame, he walked away. I was ready to do more dramas in life. I was ready to stand up for things that I believe they didn't stand against things I didn't. There's no parachute boy. You might just written yourself to take it out of Hollywood. Only to return to greater glory. And the Oscar goes to Matthew McConaughey. That's when I started to come in more of a good

man. Redefining himself as one of the most compelling voices in film. Well, I got good wolfs and bad wolfs in us, start choice to which wolf we want to feed. I'm trying to do my best to be the good wolf. No one that the bad wolf's still hungry.

Today he's here to share the lessons from that incredible ride.

“This is a rodeo. If you want to get into this, I'm not saying you got to fix him,”

but you've got to know what's important to you. Nive is going to come and act you whether you deserve them or not. Fair has nothing to do with this. Welcome to the Megan Kelly show. Everyone I'm Megan Kelly. We have a first time guest on the show today who you likely know very well or think you do.

Matthew McConaughey is an American actor and an Academy award winning one at that. He's also a bestselling author. He's a husband. He's a proud dad and he's a deep thinker who is out with a new book in which he shares

decades of reflections, poems and prayers is the name of it and it's out right now.

Matthew McConaughey, welcome to the show. Megan Kelly, good to be here. I love the book. I thought it was so thoughtful. It made me stop reflect and be more thoughtful about everything from faith to my own life philosophy in terms of getting after it or downshifting into a lower gear and I didn't realize how much I had in common with you Hollywood man

because you're really more of a Texas man who's been through a fair amount. Let me kick it off on sort of a somber note. One thing we haven't common is we both lost our dads at very young ages. You by my calculations were 22. I was 15. They went suddenly. Thanks to heart attacks and in both of our cases it changed of course our lives but also our life choices and our life philosophies. Can you kick it off there? Like the usual or you lost your dad and the

you after. Yeah so I don't know that you but I at that time I mean I didn't think my dad could die. You know I mean I knew practically you had to one day that I thought he was the bonnetful snowman and what I didn't I didn't it wasn't he lead up to it there was no fair warning there was no like oh it's times coming it just happened and to happen the way he said it was going to happen said boys when I go I'm going to be making love to your mother and it was a

“brisky Monday morning at 6 a.m. and that's what happened and that's how he moved on from”

a heart attack. I remember the call and I remember my knees dropped at half of my investment from my mother and she said your dad moved on this morning and the I was at the very unbelievable I didn't think it was possible and then dealing with that you know going back to the wake with the brothers and my mom and hearing stories where you find out that oh the message maybe was a little different than the messenger which I was quickly able to

came from that because I remember when I went back to work six days later I was on the set of days

confused my very first film and I was talking with the director Richard Liglader at a magic

hour sundown we're walking around the football stadium and I was like you know he's physically

“no longer here but spiritually I I think I can keep calling him I can talk to him whenever I”

want I can pick up the phone I got to keep him a spirit alive and that's for just keep living came from at it on top of that look I was scared because he left my crush was gone he was to me what was above the law above government above religion boy if I was in a pension really need someone to have a back those give me the dad and now that crush is gone now that that parachute's gone and so I quickly was like okay boy talking to myself

better quit act and like the things you did touch it to do and be and start becoming the man that he taught you to be and that's been a process that I got kick started in right then very hardcore but I've tried to maintain throughout my life did he want you going into acting you just started you weren't like the big star yet although these didn't confuse was a hit but did he want you to do this was this was before and I want to say this there's a very graceful

thing in hindsight about his death he was alive for the first five days of me shooting days confused he didn't come to the set or anything but he was alive for me to start his final son to start something that wouldn't be just a fad that wouldn't just be a hobby

start something that became a career I've always seen some grace in that but the call that I had

with him two years prior to that well I was headed towards law school University of Texas and it was a Tuesday night I planned it I said I'm gonna call it Tuesday night seven thirty p.m. it won't be Monday because there's too much trespassing back to work it'll be Tuesday into the day he'll be on the couch having to be with bomb but it'll be a great time to tell him that I want to go to film school instead of law school I made that call seven thirty six

p.m. and he answered he said what's up monkey man I said hey pop got something I want to share with you so what set I said I don't want to go to law school anymore I want to go to film school and there's a long pause and I was like oh here it comes he's about to go you want

“to what and he didn't he said you sure that's what you want to do I said yes sir no the long pause”

he said well don't have as him so he gave me more than life he gave me rocket fuel to go do it did he have any reason at that point to believe in you you know had you been the big star

on the high school stage no no I'd never been on stage never done acting before um any of that

I think what he heard though is something I think we're all in here from our kids is a time when they're asking us to tell them that tell us I wasn't really asking I was going to do it right and I think he heard that in my voice the way I said just sir I didn't stutter I didn't blame I didn't whisper I was he heard the security in my voice that I'd gone through to make this decision and hearing that from me was I think we were like okay my son's asking but he's not really asking

and I think we all want to hear that from our children at some time after we give them guidelines but if they're going to break out of those guidelines to go their own way don't come a bluffing if you're going to do it do it and he heard that and that's where he came up with tell me don't

“have acid to do it but where did you get the confidence for that because there are millions of”

kids out there right now who would love to be a Hollywood star they're from Texas they have no connections to the industry it's a pipe dream it's not as are overwhelmingly against you so how did you think yeah why not me well so I started off I wasn't courageous or confident to say I wanted to be in front of the camera yet but I wasn't that time courageous enough to say I want to go into the field the story telling this so I went to film school it's starting behind the camera

all right I had been writing a short story to that time when I had a buddy of film school I said these are really good short stories you might be able to one turn these into moving pictures it wasn't until a year later that I was in the right bar at the right time I got cast and days confused and gotten from the camera and three lines turned to three weeks work all right all right all right and I'm getting paid three hundred twenty dollars a day and people are telling me I'm

good at it and you please come back tomorrow and do it again and I was like hell yeah I'll come back again this is even legal I'm having so much fun and you're telling me I'm good at this you I could make a living doing this that's where I got the confidence and then continued on and look I didn't go to Hollywood and have the long story of having to wait the tables for so long I actually went to Hollywood in the first two auditions I went on I actually got the job it was

angels in the outfield and boys on the side so I had some dry spells later on in my career but boy when I first got out there it I knocked out the first two auditions you got them well I'm not surprised to hear that you were right or because when I read poems and prayers it was obvious you know and and the thing that's special about the book is that it's a collection of poems and prayers from back when you were a teenager when you were like 18 yeah and I wonder like I

that period it's awful it's very annoying and I you had the curse put it down in paper and publish it so how does that feel reading back on the earlier ones so I went back to sell the early ones and look you know even in writing greeting lights part of that was going back like in 35 years my journey and I looked some of that stuff and I was like oh good gosh the shame the guilt going on are you kidding look at the arrogant little brick you or who do you think you but then

“after awhile started chuckle at those things and that's why I added this point at that point in this”

book which in a bad point but it's a very self-serious point of an 18 year old boy asking some big existential questions when you would think he would just be having a great fun time summer and under the sunshine and I added it because it was a time I gave it damn at 18 I still give it damn I'm still working on trying to be a better man I'm still questioning what's going on on the world I'm still you know pointing out stuff that I think is mendacious and not in

not fair in the world and I'm asking those questions and I still do so to see that I was doing that at 18 I'll mind you you could tell out of the source near I used some words in there that I'm like you don't know what that meant and I still know what that word meant but I had a source near me you know but what I mean the early writings I think this is obviously an artist like this is an artistic person it's it should be no surprise that this person did not wind up in law school and instead

“wound up in in the arts really telling stories and bringing characters to life so it's a fun it's”

kind of funny to me to think of you going to law school but you talk in the book you write in the book about your previous maybe current commitment to logic and reason and how much that has

appealed to you for your first 55 years but now you're kind of in a different phase so it does

make some sense it's just not that common to see both the strong logic and reasoning thread coupled with the artistic and creative ability and and Jones so when I was in kindergarten I was standing on the street corner outside of the school and the the head principal came out and I was I was sitting and looking up the sky at this cloud and I said Mr. Mayor is that cloud is big as the world and he goes yes Matthew it is so in my whatever kindergarten how rolled I was

five year old mine six year old mom was like well if I can see the edges of that cloud and it's as big as the world and I know that that road trip we took from Texas to Pintacola took whatever 15 hours and it was just that long and a map if I can see the edge of that cloud that cloud must be so far up in the sky that it's not even worth dreaming about so I'm going to put my head down for good air force I'm army that was went through my head I was like I got a deal

was right in front of you because what's out there's too far away so for 15 years I just put my head down and dealt didn't dream you know it's 16 years old I took my first flight commercial flight in 10 seconds I'm in the middle of that cloud I'm like you this cloud goes a billion miles now or that cloud is not as big as world is like Mr. Mayor told me it was well so I've been come to learn oh clouds aren't that big they're not that far away and off someone's like oh

well so what's over the horizon is actually worth considering what's out there that you don't

see right in front of you is worth dreaming about but still the fact that I've always dealt and

looked to logic you know us us doers I always been a doer and us doers week we climb mountains well we're good climbers but because we got her head down we don't always climb the right mountains those dreamers you know look up and are always kind of measuring the landscape which doesn't make us very good climbers but we pick the right mountains so doers can help dreamers you know climb more mountains and dreamers can help doers climb the right ones but I didn't

start dreaming until I moved to long view until I was about 16 years old so something you've made some good choices with that combination because I look at you and you seem to me very much like an outlier you we talked about you know the the writing ability which and everybody in Hollywood has a lot of people just want to be on camera a lot of people just want to be a star in my industry too poems and prayers is the name of the book for those listening so you've got

writing ability you move at the California to get cast in the first two things that you apply for

when you try out for audition you become a star pretty quickly and then unlike virtually everybody who follows that path with success you leave Hollywood you go back to your native Texas you choose to raise your children there you get married you're in a long-term marriage like your marriage works which is rare in your in your industry by the way you're not the first Macana hey I've interviewed your lovely wife came on my show when I was at NBC and so all of these things

“suggest you're of a different mold and model than the average person out there that you have to”

me a different value set and I think that's embodied in your book because what I see in here as you love America you're a man of faith but like most of us who are people of faith you struggle with it

for it to really mean something to me you love your children you prioritize them over your job

“and realize they're both important but one is clearly the winner so I wonder whether that's all”

the job of the parents and Texas and whether you think all of this would have happened for you if you hadn't pulled up at a Hollywood and gone back home mm so the main reason I came back one of the main reasons I came back home is is I did go out there at Hollywood long enough for when you get yourself established you know enough enough credentials to say you can't just rock my boat and I'm going you know and also enough credentials where you know if they want me they know what

to find me and if they want me I will plan my roots out to Hollywood and line up meetings for two weeks and just go knock them all out you know along along the way it was also my mom's here my brothers are here as soon as Camilla and I decided to have children I wanted them to be raised here near my home

“and around they're family um I wanted them to be raised with the maybe you could say there's”

a little more common sense values that I feel is around here where a mile feels like a mile and sixty minutes feels like an hour um it's uh it's a it's a natural coming them on for me it was also at that time I was doing romantic comedies and I was the wrong calm guy and I love doing them and I hope to do more later on wedding planner with JLo how to lose a guy in ten days with Kate Hudson. Hi, Benjamin there. Oh you are already fun and I'm with me. Is there a Jessica Parker in one. There you're to launch. Yeah. I had a nice time. I had a two.

Good night. Good night. I was rolling in the rom-coms successful and JLo and the heck out of them. At the same time I was so successful at him that any drama as I wanted to do Hollywood was not offered me even if I took a huge pick up. They're like no, no, no, I'm a kind of hey stay in your lane. Like okay well if I can't do what I want to do I'm going to quit do what I'm doing. So move back down here to drop that you didn't see me in any rom-coms you didn't see me shirtless on a beach you didn't know where I was

and I knew it was going to be a bit of a desert I was walking into because I was like I might have just wrote my one way ticket out of Hollywood and Camilla and I prayed on it, cried on it and said I'm going to do it and stick to the decision and she goes you know this might last a long time. You don't know there's no parachute bullet or you might just written yourself a ticket out of Hollywood and I was like yep but it's not going to go school this is what I'm going to do. Well months went by and nothing six months go by

nothing a year goes by I talked to Maddie because Maddie I haven't even heard your name you know luckily at this time Camilla's pregnant and we've got a first child coming on which really anchored me to have a little significance you know in a time when I was feeling very wobbly with anything he worked to do 18 months go by and I remember this the script comes in

his robotic comedy eight million dollar offer I said no thank you ten million dollar offer I said no

thank you 12 million dollar offer I said no thank you 14.5 million dollar offer I said let me read that again and let me tell you the same words the same words the eight million dollar offer but it was better it

“was more well written I could see this work informing you know but ultimately I said no and I think that”

sent a little bit of an invisible message to Hollywood oh McConaughey's not bluffing he's he's onto something here he's actually playing offense in affirmatively where he is and cut to four months later all of a sudden I get the calls for the dramas that I want to do and I just attacked him so that was a step out of Hollywood I needed to rebrand and unbranded really before rebranded and then what when did Dallas buyers club come 2013 so that's about four years three years I think

into that into that run after two year hiatus there need to hey this shit I can't guarantee me like the fuckers let me give you a little bit of flash any nothing out there can give up on a lot of 30 days which led to academy gold was that before and after

for you like was that actually a game changer or no because you'd already rejiggered and relaunched

well look it was a game changer in that hey there's my peers saying we deem your performance the most excellent melee performance of the year that meant a lot to me sure's held it

in the craft a lot of my life respect that that felt that felt really good now one of the things that's funny about when in the academy award is that things you say afterwards especially media afterwards the things that you spend small print are now in bold print even if you're repeating something you said 10 years ago all of a sudden it's a bold print like wow that's original I go man I've been saying that for 15 years now it's a bold print but it did open up it

opened up a lot of opportunities for me that I've tried to you know take advantage of this response because I could well hey but they know the question for it when Robert down at junior one

“I think it was best supporting actor this past like your guy think of memory service I'm not as into”

it all but I love his opening line which was I'd like to thank my unhappy childhood just like yeah so good and probably true for a lot of actors right like that's where you get all the stuff that you can draw on the stuff that you could put in a notebook like poems and prayers but is it true for you? no no it's not and you know I had a time we were right after I called my dad and so I was going to film school and he said don't have past it I get into film school

I'm a frat guy I wear jeans and press my shirts and they're tucked in and I go see blockbuster films on the weekend I got into film school on my GPA because I had a 3.82 GPA I didn't have a piece of art so I get into film school and everyone's in there wearing black and they're got thick and no one's got a tan here I'm I got a tan frat guy jeans pretty you know and I'm questioning wait a minute do I need to be this sort of Emleschi and you know problems in life

“to be an artist you know and I remember we had a month where you'd come back to the class you”

talked about what you saw that weekend and I always come back and I just saw a die hard you know

and they'd come back and go I saw the eyes and it's dying thinking at the independent you know I read anyway every time I bring up the blockbuster like I saw die hard they'd all go oh that shit it's corporate bullshit man it's not all right and I'm going oh man I'm getting hammered here maybe I'm not an artist and then one day I came in one day I come in and I say the blockbuster it was and actually the one I'd said this day was die hard and they go oh man that's bullshit and

I said hang on a second hang on just a second I go did you all see it and they go no no I mean I would just say it and I was like I'll push it no you can't just say because it was popular it came from a big studio and it played in a blockbuster that it's that it's crap

“I enjoyed it and that's what I went I'm gonna keep my shirt tucked in I'm gonna keep my”

talent in the fried house I'm rolling if I want to go spend the weekend watching Sharknado why should they be allowed to stop me just come on we take all different kinds of tastes to keep the movie industry going what do you think of that because there's been I'll say it just give my my own complaint on it and you saw the New York Times movie critic resigned two years ago saying I can't I can't I can't with just like the non-stop action hero movies like I miss plots

I miss drama I miss like real crescendos and deacrescendos and plots that expose human frailty like what happened to those movies and you and I grew up at exactly the same time I know you're know what he's talking about what I'm talking about yep can we get back to that I've heard Matt Damon do a riff on this suggesting the way the studio system set up now no what do you think

so here's what I've noticed happening as we're going into streaming like I've got this I've

got a film coming out the lost bus it is a film built for the big theater for the big string we have a two two-week run limited screens in LA New York and London before we stream straight to Apple Plus that's where it's going and I feel like the streamers want to go let's forget the even even the two-week theatrical release is sick of straight just streaming now the problem with that is that you've seen it everyone sees it you go on one of these streamers and you see this

catalog of films you know I don't know that you but I'm like when do they make that it's one of my favorite actors right but when did they mad didn't you see it didn't you hear about it so everything's kind of dropped down to low-com denominator in a library so there's no exclusivity that you get of a precious oh it's come out on the theater oh if we want to see that actor or actress or director so we have to go out on Friday night when it opens and see it it doesn't have

that as much and I hope we can maintain that what's also happening is in this abbreviated

attention span capacity that we talk about the people have what studios of first cutting is the

first acts of films now the first act is where you set up the world for the viewer that tells

specific I'm going to set you up at the next original show they're the the the the conflict that starts an act two which is usually on page 38 now is on page 11 it's like start it meet you high note you do ban conflict that's good on it no one wants to wait around or the students don't believe they want to wait around for an interesting first act it's what was so pleasurable about doing true detective I hope you ask Cole what you do on fucking late work you read fuck

say again mommy it was at love heart series for three and a half hours I get a first act which is an actor's dream because that's where I get to go here's how you could go on this journey

with me that you've never been in or this relationship that I have with Marty Hart and I hope we

don't keep abbreviating getting to know characters and relationships that are specific and original because if we do everything's just going to feel like somewhat the same movie I can relate to this believe it or not just going from cable news to podcasting it's it's much the same before that only like the reverse right because the cable news you got to get up and down on it quickly and move on there's no chance to establish the characters background or fall in love with them or what have

you just got to get you know what's the news in and out whereas in podcasting you can build the story you can help the audience get to know this character before you zero in on really why they're here yep yeah I mean you know this you just said it I mean and I added learn this for 10 years

from doing press for a film or a book you know you go on and I remember the first time I went on

like a Leno you know you get four minutes up there and I want to go well you know the thing it you're already on zap this is not the format for the long term so you learn you just pick your spots about what's my message what's my window how do I hit it but for people that are interested in stories I want to I don't ever want to lose the longer for that and will there be a rebellion back people going I don't want to shoot snippet no I I want the longer format I want

to take the time they can hear it on audio now they can drive it listen to it where watch yes they're consuming information differently which I think will lead to a desire for more meaningful

“conversations I just think it's that's why these other models are they have limited shelf lives”

and no offense to the superhero action movies because there's definitely an audience for those but

longer form storytelling is still an art form that many of us thirst for and what absolutely consumed with you know a lot of dollars now in the lost bus you have an interesting situation because you have your son your son Levi is starring in 17 years old and I've actually so kind of drafting behind you on the childhood front because my kids are almost your kids ages they're 15 14 and 12 and now that they're getting to be like real humans you know like we're they're on

the cusp of adulthood I've asked myself this question about nepotism the nepo baby and you know when you're the mother of a kid who's you know there's no fault of their own is born to you and you might be a public figure it's hard to call it that you know as opposed to like well if my kid wanted my help getting into my industry I'd probably given an open door and then let him take it and you were recently in this position can you tell us what happened?

Yeah and that nepotism questions are really good and because I don't want my kids ever feel entitled at the same time do I believe with people in my own life outside of my family that

“if you want to know whether the arrow is going look at where it was shot from so there's real”

practicality with that my son as I pitch films that I'm into my family all the time my son comes to me and he I knew that there was a role as a young boy to play my son he says how is that kid I said he actually is about 13 14 which was Levi's age of the time because can I read for it and I was like hmm kind of just straight faced him and walked off I wanted to see how much he wanted it was just a whim on he comes up four more times over the next week can I read for it can I

read for it can I read for it okay you want to read for it let me tell you what this acting things about this is not just a a little hey hey what if hey I'm going to teach you something about this you got to review this craft and you got to work at it so let's work on this character right now we're going to read we did I put it on camera I saw on cameras I go he's got presence he can hold a frame he's being honest and from the camera that's good instincts okay

“I sent it to the casting director and I said a fancy and I think it's maybe good enough for”

callback what do you think and she will back so I think it's good enough to send to the director and I said oh okay we do me a favor when you pull his last name off because I just don't want it if it preceding you know anyone's opinion they help or to help her and each because yes

playing a son fitting you do me a favor I would not make that call I'm not going to make that call again

open the door but once you get in the door son daughter you go handle but it did open a door at access to get his read to the cast director well the director season says that's the kid she goes well that happens to be Matthew son he goes even better so he got the role which makes I'm very proud of and he did it on his own merit in his own town okay but like now let me ask you apart part two part two so then he so he stars in it is it's about to launch

and now I think at this point in the process I haven't yet gotten there none of my kids said they want to go to media I'm just saying like I would help them I think I'd be living

in terror of bad reviews of nasty internet trolls this one thing when they come for us who cares

we're used to it but come for my kid I mean that's the kind of thing I might toss and turn over at night I have not toss and turned and maybe that's because I said get ready for it it's going to happen anyway I said I said you last name is going to get you praise in places maybe you didn't deserve it it's also going to get you slammed in places you don't deserve it so this is a rodeo

“if you want to get into this I'm not saying you got to fix game if you got to know what's important”

to you and you got to be ready to hit knives are going to come out you whether you deserve them or not fair has nothing to do with this so if you love doing the craft enough and you're good at it you stick your put your head down and do that and the rest of that you've got to have fix game about because that's going to happen fair has nothing to do with this that's a great life lesson I in in the book you write and poems and prayers you write I wrote it down

you're number one job is helping your kids become who they are not who you want them to be shoot it into my veins it's exactly right so many people don't get it Matthew they think the kids are a do over and you've come to the same realization that Doug and I have which is that DNA thing has a lot to do with how they show up and we just kind of fool ourselves that we're the big maestro's about where it's going but that was the biggest surprise to me about having children

I thought it was 90 10 environment culture to DNA and all of a sudden I was like oh it's closer to the opposite right yes totally but that's I mean I would imagine especially in Hollywood that's not a lesson everybody understands you know because it's a very hard church in ground I mean a dump on Hollywood nonstop though I'll be honest my audience can stand Hollywood but it's a very hard charging group of people that have made it in a very competitive industry like

they made it at the top so they've got to be somewhat cutthroat but then you have a kid and everybody out there's probably facing a similar challenge which is how do I maintain my kids competitive drive not with any effect that they've been born into a life of luxury and privilege etc. right and

“like I don't know I think too many parents would default to I'll make him a killer as opposed to”

I will sit back and figure out like let him figure out whether he wants to be a killer well you know how it is I mean it's it's there's a lot of parents and you probably know as well that for my money I think become or want to be friends with their children when they need to be parents to them and that friend to their children is sometimes a bit of that do over hey maybe you can pick up where I left off and become a better version of me which is that's not

what a child's act I'm asking for early on you know do overs I think the kids want us to be a parent to them are you more traditional that I think you're married to a Brazilian woman and I have a lot of Brazilian friends I know that they tend to like a more traditional man and you're from Texas so I kind of feel like you'd be more of a trad dead but look I'm more I go I call it and this is not a a political term but I call it conservative early liberal late I want my kids to know

how to block and tackle know your manners and graces and arithmetic and respect before we're going to go fly or freak flag and say whatever so I think art emulates life I want them to learn who they are and who they are not in life before they're going off into imaginations now you can create whoever it is you want to be but let's have a foundation that we understand about how we act and how we treat ourselves in each other before we go off into you know a lot of land of of

“dreams and creation again how I grew up learn to deal before I learned to dream that's how that's”

sort of my look at it I believe in consequences I believe in discipline I also believe that sometimes

as I'm learning right now I did not know Megan that I always thought you went from father to later on

and I'm able to be a big brother especially now that my kids are teens and I can kind of put my

hand on their back and maybe not judge him as quickly and go I know what you're talking about let me tell you this story about when I was in high school and the other great thing about teenage kids is I don't have to edit my good stories as much to them anymore I know which period of your life for the best stories from oh I mean I've got some I was starting back from when I was

“eight I think the best stories were probably oh man every decade had great stories I would say”

I could pick them out all over the place there's things there's things I like back out that that I that I did when I was younger that makes me happy to be here alive um so but there's been some great stories which I cataloged along the way and mostly in green nice and somewhat in poems and prayers I think there's been some pretty good stories along the way well you don't seem risk a verse both you've outlined it you're leaving Hollywood and saying I'm just going to do it

differently those huge risk but your life philosophy does not as reflected in poems and prayers does not seem to favor safe spaces it seems to favor take the big risks and don't don't die in your

bed saying I never got hurt right well that's a constant thing to measure in it because especially

after getting successful having a family things that I've built that I want to maintain that I'm not going to be foolish with all right at the same time I don't want to get complacent and safe and go okay this is it everyone just huddled up put your you know keep everything else out I still want to take risk and it's also you know something that I know women I'm sure they do too but men go through in middle age you're at the bottom of the horseshoe like are we taking the

risk anymore how do we still take a chance with the take the right kind of risk and I still want to take the right kind of risk but it won't even be foolish with what I've built because some of this stuff I built is not negotiably going to be on my table and in my life until I leave this one you know I have that passage in poems and prayers I'm curious you know if if it's got happier if we take eight major risk in life and pull off seven of them or as you happen when we

take a hundred risk and pull off eight you know it's like the little bit of that you don't have you come about that money you know what I mean right I think you said if you did take enough risk if you did maybe maybe that's the sin you know what I mean yes and if you did

“it's it's you know the sin comes from an archery term to miss the mark that's what the word”

sin comes from to miss the mark when is the mark all the time and I don't want to quit taking the chances to miss the mark I want to make want to hit the mark but don't want to go out

going well I never shot it's even harder when you've reached your level of success quiz now you do

have a lot to lose so you know to keep challenging yourself to keep making yourself go out there and take the big risks it gets even scarier right it's one thing when you're up and coming is like what the hell or even when you're on the middle of a ladder but when you're at the top of the ladder with all the things a lot of people would say I'm going to stay I'm going to hold yeah I'll hold you don't you don't feel that way um I hope not look I've been told by many

people that are close to me that my biggest asset is that I take risk I also think that that's what I need to take more of that I don't take enough so as it is what could that look like now what could that look like for Matthew McConaughey at 55 um put my cards on the table who I am in this big movie that I'm living that was actually was called the day I was born and cuts called the day I'm leaving this life the documentary that I'm living that we're all living putting it on and going

and it's what I'm doing a bit of now in a civil ways to go I'm creating characters that I believe and I want to play in my own life and say and what are you doing live what's happening that the

“cameras roll it it's been rolling since the day we born what do you why do you have to go”

off to do someone else that's something else someone that's something else wrote in his directing and his put it in cinematographer and then editing get rid of those filters what's what am I doing live who am I live in life that's what I'm pressing myself on for the money for the last six years more so um than any time and I hope I'll continue to press on myself to do that that okay that it leads me to one of my favorite pieces in the book which is on page 77 it's good man and you

write as follows there's a difference between a good man and a nice guy a good man stands for certain ideals and when those beliefs are contested a good man is not a nice guy no I love that can you talk about how you came to that realization yeah so you know I a part of it

you know those were those were nice guy rolls they worked I enjoyed them I was getting paid well they were easy to do they felt like a Saturday they'd nice guy rolls and nothing wrong with that

“but I was ready to do more traumas in life I was ready to stand up for things that I believe”

didn't stand against things I didn't in life and I wanted to also find rolls that I could do that in that's when I started becoming more of a good man and that does that means you're gonna run into complex that means you're gonna have to go against the masses at certain times that means you're gonna have to lead when you'd rather just sit back and watch sometimes um that means you're gonna have to run towards crisis instead of away from it sometimes that means you're not gonna be

popular that means you're gonna receive the the blades in the back and and it's okay if you easier too I know for me when my faith is stronger because I can sluff those things off because I'm going no no I'm playing in a mortal game here stay that's the game I'm playing don't worry about the mortal game worry about the immortal game so to have the courage to do that and what you stand

“for and don't stand for when I always like to say this to people that are as we're finding”

ourselves especially young people it's harder to say oh who am I and what I want to do it's easier to go well that's to find who I'm not and what I don't want to do and eliminate those people places and things in habits that we have in our life that are not paying us back get rid of those and by sheer mathematics you'll have more things in front of us that do feed us and hey we all got good wolf some bad wolfs in us to our choice to which wolf we want to feed I'm trying to do my best to

feed the good wolf no one that the bad wolf's still hungry okay speaking of the wolf's the wolf of Wall Street how fun was that role I've got to ask you this is the amazing role what can I bring for you on a glorious afternoon well actor here's the game plan you know bring us two absolute quarantines you know how I like him straight up and then precisely seven and one half minutes after that you're going to bring us two more then two more after that every five minutes

until one of the most passes the fuck out excellent strategy sir I'm I'm good with water for now though thank you this is first day on Wall Street given time first time to work a score say is he first time to work at Leonardo I'm getting called him for a days work I'm a little

nervous I get there really but this character oh yeah I always I still get nervous no matter what

I do I get nervous every single day I work just the right amount I want I want I don't want to lose the butterflies yet um and I go in and one of the things I do not only on that show but on all shows is before I'll do a scene you know I'll start banging my chest and find some sort of tune and I'll home it out and everything and it's to relax myself um I'll do it for interviews sometimes relax stuff get out of my head find the rhythm and then come into the this scene

while I was doing that before the scene it was Leonardo with Wall Street but then soon as you are action I'd stop and we do the scene we do the scene four times got it funny perfect let's move on Marty says let's move on it was Leonardo's idea Leonardo raises him he goes hang out second he goes what's that thing you're doing before every take and I told him what I just told you to relax and get my voice down everything he goes what if you did that in in the scene I was like

great and the next take is the one you see in the mood oh no way

oh that's amazing that's amazing well that's a great thing about you's you truly do have range

I mean like it's not it's not every guy who can do both the how to lose a guy in 10 days that scene in wolf of Wall Street Dallas buyers club and true detective right and speaking I'm sure detective I gotta ask who is your best friend in Hollywood and why is it Woody Harrelson Woody has been a great friend of mine for a long time I mean he's like a great guy I get I get younger anybody's been time with Woody's one of the last

wild men a perpetual eight year old has no context of time and I mean he can frustrate the heck of you but if he may show up three days late you may show up barefoot three days late to your wedding but you can't get mad at him because if you show up a week late for his wedding he don't care

so what he always like to say hey even if you're going to the Oscars is probably the best

to bring him back to I can't imagine like the cast of characters that has been in and out of your life I wondered though like thinking about yes who do you hang out with his friends anybody in Hollywood

“like are you friends with the Hollywood people or know your friends with the Texas people?”

Well I'm friends I've got some I've made some very good friends in Hollywood I mean

I've made from still friends with my buddy Cole Houser was just in town

“he and I met on days confused he's having a great time now career wise with his role as rip”

and you know we're developing a project together I still talked to Rory Cochran who I met on days confused and this is all friends of mine who are actors that I met in 1992 of also it was also a goodwill hunting which is like yeah that that was him yeah yeah young Cole Kenny this red with the short red fro so I made friends along the way

and met some wonderful people in the in Hollywood as well that was okay but here's here's what I wanted

to take it is there anyone in Hollywood who you really admire like whose values you admire I'm sure you admire the work of many people but like is there somebody who's living in a way that you think yeah that's hashtag goals right there well I always looked up to a way Paul Newman led his life as it is a talented actor on screen married to Joanne all that time the only marriage throughout the way he was able to be completely in this spotlight but also

live his own life always it admired that and like you also then gave a bunch of time and money to charity like didn't just rest on his nose gave over a hundred million dollars to charity thanks to Paul Newman and made that that was a part of his life that was on his proverbial desk every Monday morning in his life he made that a part of life and that was his choice you know people

“always go yeah but you've succeeded you have the responsibility I don't I think that's an easy”

place to go don't go to responsibility if you got the chance you have the choice and the ability but choice is give us a lot more ownership than saying how it's his responsibility I ought to do it but he did he did so I've looked up to his life you know I learned something though from some people and I won't say their names they were elder men in the business and this is when we

first had come in a first had children and I said to them they had children and I said to them

hey you know you go on the road you go on set for three months five months whatever do you do you take your family and your kids with you and they said this version of this look it's either their friends or their dad and all of them that I talked to said they chose to let their kids stay back and they have their lives in their schools and have be with their friends and not come to work with that and all of them said if I could do it again how to

make them come with and she's to be with dad and so when Camilla and I had kids before she pulled the golly she said if we're gonna do this one condition you go we go and so it's been a real privilege for me as a father and a husband and that they have the family that any time I go to work the family comes with and that's been a major sacrifice for Camilla but one that she would openly say it it reaps more rewards than it does deficits and it is

getting harder now and you're seeing this with your kids getting older it's getting harder because they're older they have social sort of circles and rhythms and teams they're apart and I don't know what I'm gonna do the next time you know this last one I just did what I could to get it to shoot in my hometown of Austin because I didn't want to take them away more of the kids more the kids need to go into the next move that's it that's where the kids and shoot more down the road

“the other thing is as they get more into the teenage years the friends do become more important”

and I was told by a very smart guy do not do not doctor lesser sex do not bring kids friends on family vacations they family vacations the family outings are for you for you five not for you five plus they're three friends if you bring the friend your kid's gonna be talking to the friend at dinner and at breakfast in a lunch and like that's your time it's like to buy but now as they get older and the friends we but I'm gonna I'm gonna hold to it and I you show

it to it too like that's a time for counting working on it we had this we had this last night

look it was first day of NFL football Sunday and I'm all sniffs of your local soccer team

that I'm part owner and was playing it was getting close to time go to bed and we wanted to dinner and it was like oh let's keep the game on and we said no let's turn that off and soon we turned it off you can tell that wasn't like anyone was missing out that much but all a sudden we had an hour and a half was just us the five of us and we caught up on everyone on the last week and everyone started swapping stories about this week and boys and girls in school

and it wouldn't happen unless we turned that tube off yep we had a blackout on Saturday here

apart over our neighborhood and it was great because well what happened was all the power went out and I said oh my god wait a minute we got a generator we're good and the generator kicked in I was like

this is amazing what a luxury and then the generator died yeah that's this one job it's your

one yeah but I mean like it's like being an actor like you're the understudy on a Broadway show

“and the stars out these are big chance and you're like I can't do it that's what happened to my”

generator anyway we sat we want to plan a trivial pursuit with the kids it was so fun you know so if you don't you don't do that that that often anymore it was like such a good time you know what I hear if you're doing I've heard this I don't know what you do with your kids in social media and we don't with a loud lay-by when turned 15 to dabble on the grand and such and the other kids not yet but all their friends have it the TikToks and then your grandchildren everything but I've

talked to them and their friends and I've said so if you could choose if socials were just

not available to anyone or it is as it is now what would you choose every kid even the ones that

have the TikTok because they're like oh if I have to be on it but if it wasn't available I take that yeah very interesting they're all say I mean I have to I feel like I have to be on it to say socially current but if it was an option for it not to be available oh please look I mean look look how we were in the 70s and the 80s we didn't have any of that like your ran around the parents didn't know where you were you spent your day we were friends we had to come home when the street light went on

that was it you didn't have to worry about and bullying it was like the old fashion style if it didn't happen while you're in school it wasn't gonna happen it couldn't get you at all hours of the day you know like on the little device it's in your pocket it's very complicated for these kids but I do think they get more sophisticated earlier and they're gonna need these skills at some point to navigate the future that's coming you know like AI and everything's online it's like our

we're a bunch of dinosaurs our generation I know I'm trying to navigate not being a dinosaur

but still holding on to the traditional things that will never go out of style you know what I hear

like values you're writing about values and I don't think those are gonna go out of style you know

“I hope they don't and I think we need to fight for them because I think they stand the”

test of time of any weather and then when I hear these AI sort of atheist say that oh AI doesn't need to be what's best for humanity it's just the next link in evolution and we'll create machines and a digital god that'll make us extinct and that'll be great I'm not ready to go there yet either no sir no please well I mean it's gotta be scary as an actor you know just being baitmen has come on the show talking about how dangerous it is to the whole acting industry

but these roles I mean and even your voice could be repeated exactly by AI you know I could be like and Matthew McConaughey is the new voice of the Megan Kelly show here's Megan and you'd have nothing to do with it and it would be awful yep you know I've been one of the earlier ones to trademark and patent my voice and likeness and a federal level and we'll see where that holds up if and when it needs to but it is it is it is something that is scary because

we're not that far from someone being in India tonight and saying well I want Megan Kelly and Matthew McConaughey here and I went Megan from 2014 I want Matthew from days confused and I wanted to be here at the party and we're gonna hologram him in right here and they're we're hosting it we're not that far away from that there's some wonderful things that you can do with it with speaking I'm doing it with the with the newsletter speaking

straightening it in different languages where I my voice is sharing it's my voice reading in Spanish and Portuguese and friends you know that's very close there's one of the things to be done with it but it is we'll see yeah we're gonna we're gonna see if if we go I don't think you

“and I will see directly I think we might have we'll probably transition over to the other world”

with our dad's on the outside of it I do I think so I think we are kids problems so like we have to we're about it a little but I think there's more enough to handle it I want to get to this what do you think yeah you got what do you what do you think if if if you your children forgetting what they're they're in what they like right now but if they were going to college what degree do you think in a university do you think will prepare them for what's

going to be most necessary in the job market later no nothing there isn't one there's nothing I mean really frankly they don't need to go to college I want them to go to college I have fun it's an additional four years where you can mature a little and have a good time and home your social skills which is important but in my view it's not about learning or preparing for

think that's what it's for so I just say get a classic you know liberal arts education

like all the sciences that are explored like that I feel like those are serious danger thanks to AI like math and science are being quickly taken over by the computers so yeah so I I almost feel like the dreamers are becoming more and more important so don't do anything to kill your spirit don't don't don't overwhelm yourself with like too much dogma from anybody in particular

“and keep your hope alive that's what you're going to need on the back end of those four years”

but I think you can learn whatever you want to learn in college on the internet you can learn it from this conversation from podcast whatever so I don't know I just don't think it's about that I think

it's about like maintaining your integrity learn how to be a good person don't be just an SAT score

learn the skills on a make you an actual leader who can make good decisions and tough situations no matter what they are as opposed to like this formula or that that's that's how I look at it you might be right I like I like your point of view on it and also who who the hell knows where it's going to go so so why was too much time thinking about it all right now listen I got to read this way this is you on page 44 of poems and prayers the latest book by Matthew McAnne which

everybody should read it's actually make a great present in particular I think this would be a very nice

“gift for somebody around Christmas time you can buy it now buy a couple copies here it is”

covet nothing but your superior self seek transformation over transaction individuality over conformity recognize your inadequacies then make one step at a time in the right direction and endure it will be harder than you think because your long road has no arrival until you die I love this so much covet nothing but your superior self is exactly I mean you could read nothing other than that line on page 44 and you would be a better person if you could just

remind yourself of that every morning I always say this the this is actually from Dr. Phil

but it's a great saying the only difference between you and someone you envy is you settled for less so when you come when you feel envy when you look at somebody's life and you say oh I want it or I begrudge them for having it it's exactly the wrong focus it's a tell to you to focus back on what is it about me I'm unhappy with and how can I change it that's exactly what you're saying there do you I like I don't how do you teach that can you teach that well so so much of our

consumerism and all those social feeds that are kids are in an inundated with all of that comparison and not living up to in coveting something that someone else has because they're telling you it's the right way or more popular what I don't know I think to teach that there's it's all mark they've once marketing all this stuff marketing's bullshit just can you read through and ask yourself what I really want what I who am I not have a foundation again I don't know if you can

teach anyone out of it now but can you have someone deal have you can you help children deal with the foundation of who they are so they're not getting school so they can use that tool and these

“tools to do the schooling play that's why you take the family with you right play play your game”

in that business don't don't don't don't don't don't let that that game become your business because then you're just gonna get dizzy and it changes so quickly and you look back and all your friends you thought you had everything you thought you could rely on is pulled for this it was very dust so if you can sit there and go okay because I don't want to say don't ever go on social media don't go on AI no go she you need to check this out we got to educate ourselves here

but let's read through the BS here and see that the algorithm selling something to make some of this okay and you're be on at your expense know that it's a game just know that to tell much you try to we try to tell our children that and so just be aware that now that's not real that's that's commerce there's an algorithm selling that and putting in front of you what it what it thinks you want because of your traffic and your issue where you've already been just

understand that that's happening that's part of the game you want to play it just be aware that that's rules hmm so you have a good handle on these problems and societal ills I can hear it and the you of July of 2024 consider doing something about it in the form of possibly running for Texas governor didn't happen your team did not want me to get into politics but I just wanted to finish with who exactly did you vote for in the 2024 presidential election in what no just kidding it's

case but is politics potentially still part of your future your story I don't know could be

where I could be most useful where I could what what leadership roles am I equipped for

look it's it's inherently not my language I'm over poet philosopher and I'm dealing with values here which I believe in and belief which I believe are true progress above the political sphere of left and right battling um that's the space that I'm in now I am aware that the issues matter that politics and legislation all matters so I have not canceled it out but I've given it and to continue to give it some real consideration to measure myself that's a that's the right place

where I can be the most useful but I'm not going to bin my back to force myself in it. I'm I'm I'm I will get in deep enough where if I'm in it I'll look up and I won't be able to help it

it'll it'll it'll I'll just be there I'll be pulled in but you know it's a very conscientious

“headspace to ask yourself and I think it's something important if we all ask it what if I was the”

leader of a state of a nation of a world to great question to ask but so could you you call yourself on some of your bullshit go what decision would I make what are my own beliefs and where do they transfer to what I would believe for the masses now we all know in politics they're not on doing what they believe but they're doing and I would not want to go uh being anything where I would need to betray myself and there's a lot of betrayal that comes with inherently in politics and um

I I I I work hard enough to try and get a good night's sleep trying to win the fair games and fair fights which are already hard to win and so for right now I got my three kids want to get them out of half as healthy as possible and hopefully as much individuals as they are possible and then when that opens up after me being on on site father that I am and try to be I will be open to considering what my next avenue is or I love it I've said about President Trump you know

he's under a lot of pressure when it comes to his foreign policy decisions in particular from different factions and I've said repeatedly on the air on something like that whether you're going to add to a war and the weapon re of it whether you're going to start a war whether you're going to push to it you know and one star one he has to come to his own decision like that that is playing with people's lives and he knows that whoever the president is they deserve a wide birth in coming to their

own decision about what to do because it's easy for you or me or anybody else sitting in their arms share to say this is how it should be we're not actually going to be responsible for ending lives like the president and those calls massively in those calls correct for our own those are the president soul calls for a m by yourself in solitude calls are they not yeah that's scary like that's the highest order you better have your spiritual ducks in a row and what may help you

is this book poems and prayers by Matthew McConaughey which will read jigger your head space

“around your life what matters in it and what your daily approach to it should be as you say playing”

this long game that starring in your own movie that's starred for a couple of us about 55 years ago not quite I'm not quite there almost I'm right behind you it's been a pleasure I wish you all the best with this with the the last bus all the movie with your son and with all of it thank you McCaley I sure enjoyed it hey everyone I'm Megan Kelly welcome to the Megan Kelly show just back now from Washington DC literally just an hour ago got back where I interviewed director

of national intelligence tells the gathered late yesterday you can find that interview on youtube.com slash Megan Kelly and our podcast feeds right now they posted this morning then there's a lot to unpack from that interview she made a ton of news plus there are reports today broken initially by our pal and now part of the mk podcast media network mark helpin that national security advisor Mike walls is out that he's being forced out of the Trump administration we will break it down

for you but today I am here live in New York City at the series x m h q the world wide h q

where we have an incredible show for you with bar stool sports founder Dave Portnoi

cannot wait to spend two hours of Dave we've got to talk about bill belli check in his 24 year old

“hostage taker I mean girlfriend but most important of all and even Dave hasn't seen this yet”

we have the latest trailer for our own worldwide premiere tomorrow of our new film blonde not to be confused with blue origin blonde origin it debuts tomorrow right here on the

when zero gravity resulted in zero blue have you been have you been

“three women were brave enough to answer the call tomorrow special coverage”

of the launch of blonde origin tomorrow on the Megan Kelly show don't call it a ride are gonna get to all this now with Dave Portnoi very far is out is the answer yeah very far clearly very far to to to the moon in back some might say where was that like obviously zero gravity chamber of some sort you'll have to tune in tomorrow I can't talk to you unless you've been have you been to where the moon just to the special places

I've been no I haven't been there I haven't been any of those we can't discuss I'm going to have to go back to jail fine she's the only one who understands me fair okay there's so much happening right now let's talk with about Mike walls because while the average audience member might not think Dave Portnoi is the perfect person to discuss this news with they are wrong because you actually called for his alster I said somebody had to go yes yeah after the signal gate yeah controversy broke

well single gate was crazy to me still crazy to me then there was follow-up that there was more the single gate with hasketh right hex hasketh hasketh hasketh hasketh right with like telling his wife and somebody was is someone else's personal lawyer and and reportedly many others haveketh

“so I mean to me that's not the single stuff is not I don't know if that's why he's getting pushed out seems”

pretty late like in the game and that like single gate to me sort of past but is that the point

that's in draws much attention no I don't think that's how true I never know how Trump thinks

you can see here's the thing he doesn't like giving the media a scalp right credit for anything yeah but it also depends on how you look at his mind frame which I don't know anybody else well it also if he didn't almost instantly it could be viewed as aha we have we have accountability here and and there's a mistake made and I rectified it instantly so do you think I don't know do you think it that doesn't sound like Trump do you think it's directly then single gate I don't know I

maybe I think it's probably and this is complete speculation I do not have any inside information on this but I think it's probably he's too neocony and the strong strain within maga right now is the more they call him the restrainers yeah the ones who are not hawks they don't want us rushing into war with Iran we had a long talk with Tucker Carlson about this the other day not involving Mike Walls but Mike Walls has got a long history in the congress which made him some people's

darling and some people's foil on this front he was always more neocony and he's got a very

important post and there was a report in the New York Times about a month ago saying Tulsi JD Pete Hegg Seth and Susie Wiles chief of staff or Trump stopped him from getting on board that train as it was pummeling toward war with Iran on behalf of ordering connection with Israel so who was on the other side who who were the administration officials saying let's do this what Netanyahu wants like back them in bombing Iran or give them the bombs or we'll do the bombs

the realistic truth was we were going to have to participate very meaningfully in that bombing campaign we would have been at war with Iran so it would have been an enormous thing to do and I do wonder whether that played some role yes so like 99% of that to be frank to win right over my head like I made like big plays over the thing I know but yeah like I didn't even know like

“I knew he was but the single gates the one that caught my attention again I think it's at the”

later spots so I your scenario of what you just laid out could make more sense and probably the wrong guy but yeah all right that's it yeah it's possible the single gate to me was just you can't you can't have people do using signal in and basically sending you know war plans to reporters there they're wavering that so to me that was a fireable fence so the signal gate it may have played a

role we don't know me here's what Mark Halperon said when did this happen by the way just now it's

happening right now like as I came in yeah you didn't miss it so Mark Halperon is part of our new NK media network which I'd love to ask you about because you run a very successful media network and he had his first show on Tuesday his second show is today he also does a show on youtube called two way and he broke this news earlier today here's some of it with some more context I believe so it's seven three different people to confirm that the plan now by the way as is to remove

the national security adviser Mike Waltz who was on Fox News this morning just about that long ago and his deputy oxwong and and much of the member current staff team at the National Security Council because of unhappiness throughout the national security establishment of how they're doing

saved Waltz's job as I understand it from my sources a general belief that it's not being run efficiently in an organized way it may happen as early as today it may not happen ever because it's Donald Trump but the plan is for to happen soon maybe maybe this weekend it's very interesting he's saying they wanted to dump him before signal gate but Trump didn't dump him after that because he didn't want to look like he was being reactive to the national security. Well he'd be reactive

if I feel like if he's not a who knows I mean I could see this still not happening I feel like I

see reports of things happening that never does and then they'll jump on and be like shame on you media

for the morning this so who knows I looked I just looked at X it's the number one thing yeah shocking I guess but I'll believe when I see Tim Waltz number one thing of Tim well we're definitely getting back. Mike Waltz has left the chat is he your is he your man speaker who Tim Waltz do I know he is not he's just what do you mean what do you mean my man speak you know how he said he came out yesterday and said he was the man that Kamala selected to speak to guys like you

white men you know that's crazy I didn't see that but no he he failed miserably in that in that realm you didn't connect with him in that way nobody connected with him nobody did. Here's what he said let's watch the to go from Mike Waltz if he's still talking to Tim Waltz here let's watch.

I was on the ticket I would argue because we did a lot of amazing progressive things in

“Minnesota then proved people's lives but I also was on the ticket quite honestly you know”

because I I could code talk to white guys watching football fixing their truck doing that that I could put them at ease I was the permission structure to say look you can do this and vote for this and and you look across those swing states with the exception of Minnesota we didn't get enough of those votes but you could be given permission on TV every day you could have been messaging that way and that isn't necessarily how it took out. No yes but I also said I

understand myself I I said I think I'd give you a pretty good stuff but I'll also give you 10% problematic and so somebody's got to make the decision here to handle some of this stuff and to make it and those are just decisions that were made. Oi that's delusional I mean that's wildly delusional I even thought that I mean I knew we had the the football thing but it doesn't speak to a normal guy he doesn't act like a normal guy his mannerisms weren't like every day

guy there was no part of them that connected to what a normal guy is talking about or interested and by the way normal guys can see through that pretty quickly. When you're trying to play the normal

“guy. Yeah I mean I remember hearing that he was like a football coach but even that was a strange”

coach that the story behind it so it didn't really work out and and that anybody by the way with a brain could have screened him for five seconds been like this is the guy that I don't know who they have in the party by the way that would have done that but you could have screened him and anybody could have said that right away but that is one of the problem with the Democrats. They're going to like the peat booted judges of the world to say is this a man that regular

American men can relate to and he's like yes that's our guy. Trying to think who on the Democratic side I would be like yeah that that's the guy that resonates. I mean you could be some you could run it by a man like James Carval he's got the ability to say yeah that that's not going to resonate with middle America. The old Massachusetts governor Baker he was he was a pretty normal guy. I don't know I went to the NCAA but I would say he was a normal speak to guy.

So you don't think the jazz hands is like jazz hands is not the thing I mean he had a lot of

“things go he was one of the worst candidates the whole ticket was bad yeah that's why they lost”

but yeah that that and that's I'm in a political thing that's just if you if you asked if you just pulled a group of guys out of a bar and we're like is this are you going to be friends with that guy most would probably like no we're not so and that is again has nothing to do with politics it's just the vibe you gave off. Yeah well on top of all that what does it say about the Democratic Party that they thought the guy who would speak to what guys in America is the guy who mandated

tampons and boys rooms throughout Minnesota. They're off the Democratic Party is lost so

I don't it's interesting because I never I didn't even know that they were trying to speak

to people like I guess me or or are crowd if you want to say that's like who Trump spoke with I didn't even know they were attempting to do that during the election that didn't seem like something they were interested in so I didn't know he that was why he was brought on to do that. Well don't remember he put on the camo hat and he did some video where he was gaming and apparently he's stunk at it but he went out and with a gun it was going to go hunting and it was very obvious

all second amendment people he was not familiar with a gun he couldn't load it. Yeah I remember the one when I thought it was come like that or what kind of gun she had and she didn't answer correctly but that's very politics 101 that's I mean all the way back the mayor Boston was

character that they're not which I don't know who gives them that intel I think people would much more respect if you don't pretend to be something you are not. All right but but that's politics so let's say they come to Dave Portnoi next time around and they're like how do we reach regular guys and convince them to vote them. I mean you you can't demonize them I would say like they're and it's they've been doing it for a long time but if you're saying men and when people are asking

“me that I think they generally are talking like white middle class people are going to find”

the actual districts there's a shame that that comes across of saying you were in a frat and by the way not all for that's a good but wanting to make money want to have a good job want to spend money be rich all that stuff is not necessarily bad. I think that has been a message that comes from they're like yeah we should be kind of ashamed of being a white guy that doesn't I don't think what they fail to understand that doesn't discount that a white guy like me or any can care about

a lot of the issues that Democrats care about but I'm also not really going to apologize for being like a white guy in this country who wants to have a good job make money go to college do all those

things and that is a message that seemingly like you can't be both they've never like I mean

Biden all the way through it it felt like a lot of the issues that could blame and problems America is always like our fault yeah and we don't want to remember even when the black vote wasn't going as strongly for Kamala as the dams wanted Barack Obama showed up at that polling that campaign office and was like you're a bunch of sexists yeah right well and they've said it that deplorable and like you know that there if you've over Trump there's you're an Nazi and things

like that I don't know if that's exact but things know that's literally what's been said I said and then it's like well you know that's you're talking about more than half the country

“that's it's clearly then you should move if you truly believe that and and that's the messaging”

that we've gotten from them and it and somebody like me who it's I'm always in a weird box

because I don't consider myself political but I'm talking about more and more like I could easily take out the candidates I grew up in a Democrat household my father I've said a million times hate's Trump I am somebody who you would think would vote Democrat but as I got older especially like running business and doing stuff they just kept pushing me pushing me pushing me to the point this election it wasn't like I wasn't wavering who I was going to vote for I was voting for

Trump and even I would still re-vote for Trump no questions asked that's how much I hated the other ticket you may not want to see this but Kamala Harris is also back in the news and you tell me whether we dodged a bullet with this woman where she took to the stage last night at this group that's pushing to get more females involved in Democrat politics running for office and here's how she sounded so far heard about this watch it's actually please allow me friends to digress for

a moment okay it's kind of dark in here but I'm asking a show of hands who saw that video from a couple of weeks ago the one of the elephants at the San Diego Zoo during the earthquake she's like you do not see it well yeah this is so that scene has been on my mind everybody's asking me what you've been thinking about these days well yeah they're in the video but this was there here those elephants were

and as soon as they felt the earth shaking beneath their feet they got in the circle and stood next to each other to protect the most vulnerable think about it what a powerful metaphor big lesson is don't don't scatter the instinct has to be to immediately find and connect with each other and to know that the circle will be strong oh my god well yeah that was a lot more of our

campaigns speaking what she's saying a whole lot of a lot of something but really not saying anything and also the moral superiority which even in that comes through is another the way they lectured

“there I don't like politicians in general like I think probably if you had a hundred politicians”

room maybe like two are like truly in it for the right reasons but the moral superiority went went like what they did in the election which the way they all lied about Biden is mental health

for years and then they waited so there's no like she would never win and well she'd never

mistake because who knows who could have come out of that but it's lecturing people like

“their their angels like their perfect they know they know better than anybody like what's”

best for you and that we're stupid because we see what the democratic party does and that's it's just such a turnoff and say whatever you want about Trump and people may say other I I feel like he's him and like even with these tariffs and stuff like he can't paint on tariffs yeah he was clear then to be like what are you doing these tariffs and I'm like that because I'm in the stock markets like I want my stocks to go up but it's like he said he was going to do it

at least so they're just if you did authentic and took the democrats and the republicans to me it's not even close and that's part of how I end up voting republican she's so annoying in her manner is some sort of little hands in tight and the she starts giggling at her own thought what she's saying is not even purportedly funny there's nothing at all funny there's no joke coming

“she's just giggling at her own little aside no the only time it gets funny is when she lands”

her point and you realize there's nothing there yeah and she's built it up like this huge profundity only to let us down once again you know what she's doing what she is she's running for what the governor california we don't know she's weighing either that or another presidential

room that's crazy they'd never do that I don't though I'd never say never I've been a very good

person this year it's possible Lord the Lord will give this to me maybe maybe well there's AOC they saying her yes I just think that like the party still loves her they have no chance to win of she I completely you know but there are some people out there oh gosh I don't know if I'm gonna be able to find it but there are people out there talking about her right now like um behind the scenes and off record they don't want to put their name to it about how you know she's really

“formidable like the the party really needs to hear there there they have a hanker into here”

from her hold on a second I have no they say here it is clamoring there is a clamoring for her voice right now set a former heris senior advisor at me while I'm like is he named pug clim-hoff like don't this is clearly like her husband or somebody very close to her and they say um because they were granted anonymity to speak candidly yeah meaning really falsely quote no one can better prosecute the case while inspiring a call to action than the former vice president

what you I mean we already we already went down that road or they just saying she didn't have enough time or something and you can't get over the fact she knew that Biden wasn't fit to be present just lied about it I mean you can't get I don't know it it would be crazy but they're already nuts to me or who they put forward so already in crazy too yeah but do it again would be insane I mean that's the exact opposite of what we're just discussing like how do they get you know the the typical male

vote I mean that's the opposite that's not gonna do it so I mentioned the top that I sat down with Tulsi Gabbard last night and we had a bunch of discussions that were really interesting I thought and it's quite the quite the move going from her to me and then blonde origin I mean it's been that kind of weak Dave but here's here's one thing I want to pick up on that we started the show off with like this push to get us into another war with Iran by these forces behind the scenes and I'm not

blaming that on my guals I was just speculation on my point that maybe some perceive him as on that side but she did speak to because she's anti all that that's one of the reasons Trump chose her and I was asking her like do you feel it you feel like people pushing you towards you know all all things

military all things were and here's what she said in sought to there was a New York Times article

within the past month saying you he J.D. Vance and his chief of staff Susie Wiles were all together in urging him to not go too far on our actions against Iran. And President Trump did not do it he did not give net now the answer he wanted I know you're not gonna get into the specifics of what you advise the president but can you can you explain your view of the dangers of barreling toward a potential conflict with Iran yeah the the the New York Times article was a result of an

unfortunate unauthorized and illegal leak of a very private conversation between the president and his advisors I won't get into the details but it was a very robust discussion that really speaks to President Trump's care and thoughtfulness as he makes his decisions do you feel the push tell see the push of this like strong neoconstrain that's still within the Republican party and probably in this these agencies that's much more hawkish on an issue including war

leaks have to end if the president can't have the confidence that he can sit in a room with

“his closest advisors without it leaking to the public then that that is something that really”

undermines his being best served so she's talking about Dave how they sat there she

basically confirming in a private meeting with just the president with those officials

lining with the vice president with the director of national intelligence um with the secretary of defense and his chief of staff and what she's saying without being explicit about it is then she believes none of them leaked but then they have to talk to their staffs about what happened and what needs to happen and at that top top level someone's leaking to the New York Times and in saying how are these post a function like this you got to start playing fake stories

yeah right you're gonna do that and we did out I mean that would drive me insane any that would drive anybody regardless of whether it's the president United States obviously different table stakes but any CEO any leader you can't have that yeah I like that idea yeah you're gonna

do that they do that in some like what movie did they do that in where they plant like a face

a fake piece of gossip and see who bites is an arrow down right you would narrow down something juicy that you know just do it one with each of those departments of that's where they think it came from yeah I hope they're watching I'm gonna make sure they see this got to do it it's a very good idea yeah because it's happening to Tulsi it's happening to Trump yeah it's obviously happening to Heggseth where like bit by bit they're undermining the whole

administration with these leaks and like or maybe he's just sending it on a single chat like yeah right that also opens you know she's like back me like well you guys are idiots and you're you're texting reporters by accident she also told me that they're by administration use signal and she said without naming them she said some of the very exact officials who are dumping on us for being on a signal chat she was one of the ones used signal and she has proof of it

well that's the most unsurprising like comment ever i mean they could have sent it to that same reporter in the Atlantic and he wouldn't have said anything that's right but you very much don't want to send it to somebody you know openly hates your guts yeah so yeah then you're gonna have to live with you you're telling me it's uh they're they're being hypocrites that's not surprising to me at all not surprising at all here she is a little bit more on these leaks coming

out of the administration's me too here's not three you've referred three people now to DOJ for coronal prosecution do you think they will be prosecuted that's the goal that's the goal

“in the only way we're talking about accountability is uh by doing the work of of conducting these”

investigations uh the Department of Justice and the FBI obviously have different tools that they can use in order to um to find the truth and to seek out that evidence so that we can actually prosecute these are the people know they are like are they in some cases uh in some cases they know in other cases they are likely not aware i mean that's kind of badass frankly because what she's doing is she's not telling everybody that she like I know it was you Fredo

he's letting Fredo just continue yeah trust scare and then the next call they get is gonna be from somebody saying the DOJ is here the FBI is here to arrest you you did it differently over at the Department of Defense were Pete um or his team there's investigators investigated these leaks and then fired three guys who immediately went to the media including yours truly to say we're not the leakers right none has been arrested we don't know whether they will be arrested they all

deny they did it i have to say as between the two this is probably the better course because it's like they're not twisting in the wind as leakers who can speak out about it they're in cuffs by the time we learn their names yeah i mean you can't be obviously it's major crime at that level to be leaking information it's also like the last thing they should be wearing like they're running the government that's the thing until we worry about internal

leaks seems like there should be a better use of time but you can't ignore it that's the thing that it's so undermining all right one of the point point until see um where were you on like the covid lockdowns and the overreach by Fauci and all that stuff so i was very much on the side of you got to let the small businesses decide whether they want to stay open or not like we're all

“kind of adults here and if you want to be open or i saw i hated the lockdowns um we we started a”

gigantic like fun for companies that we're shut down we raised like $50 million yeah yeah so

we were very much trying to help small businesses who were basically going out of business through no fault either when you think of Fauci i mean i see all the stuff that says is criminal they should go to jail he hit it i haven't delved enough i mean i my knee jerk reaction on the guy

but you see all this stuff so i want to convict them without any hard evidence you may be like

“well i have hard evidence but i think the whole lockdown thing was handled horribly well i asked her”

about it this is one of the first things we covered and i think it was probably the biggest piece of news to come out of the interview um well let's watch the exchange and then i'll fill in the blank series we already know that eco health alliance was partnering with this Wuhan lab to create

to do gain of function research right we just have never been able to have somebody say it and it

was that exact experiment that led to this covid bug but it have have we gotten there what's the new thing that you're digging in on we we are we are working on that with j bought a charia i mean that would be extraordinary because just for the audience knows if that's true if it was Peter Dazik's research with the Wuhan so-called fat lady that caused this pandemic then we did fund it then Anthony Fauci helped fund the pandemic things that he denied over and over and over to Senator

Rand Paul's questioning that's right under oh it it it an under oath exactly so it is is it any wonder that he sought a preemptive pardon for anything during a certain period of time by president Biden before he left office that's the director of national intelligence clearly intimating that they're about to tie Anthony Fauci and this group eco health alliance that he funded to the actual covid virus yeah which is insane so then what is this giant cover up

that all right yes yes so that's that's crazy that's all that's huge that's a link we've

never been able to close we've been able to close we've funded eco health alliance they partner

with the Wuhan lab they did gain of function research on back coronavirus's but we've never been

“able to make the leap to and it resulted in this coronavirus and that's what she says she's”

intimating is about to come yeah it's crazy if that's if that's true he lied under oath repeatedly yeah and he needed that pardon I mean everybody got pardon pretty much by Biden right like for most part but I mean the fact that the guy running this huge piece of NIH was purgering himself allegedly will find out to the point where it wasn't just a courtesy pardon to prevent harassment like he actually may have committed felonies here it isn't huge do we like

Mike yeah it's crazy again I was very anti lock downs I didn't like Fauci I criticized Fauci I maybe my gut reaction whenever I see the guy isn't he doesn't scream arch criminal to me but maybe I'll be wrong like does he give you those vibe like 100% he does yes he's a super villain to you yes like he's the super villain that you don't know is the super villain until the end of the movie yeah well I mean in the middle of the movie it became obvious but yes I I hate him with the passion of

“10,000 sons I I think he's completely innocent he didn't intend you're not saying he intentionally”

launched COVID no I don't think he wanted no and suggesting that he and tell community no and saying that happens and then he's like oh crap I gotta do this giant and he's happens to be the like the guy who's publicly speaking about it so it's basically two different things he launched it created it I shouldn't say launched created inadvertently but he's also the guy who's going to be in charge of controlling it and then that you got this he's basically running into

fairness to keep himself from being the guy the entire time yeah it's literally the sci-fi movie and at the same time we know from his internal emails that the house Republicans got at the time well a couple years after the the COVID mania that he was actively working to smear doctors who were coming

out saying this thing looks like it came from a lab yeah we've never seen this particular virus

before in nature this looks lab made and he was all over the place like tamp that down get that out there that's fringe that's he made sure that narrative couldn't live it would it's it's an insane full full and maybe I'm just naive and thinking like you still trust the officials I don't trust a lot of the officials he just comes across as like a grandpa to me you've got to spend some time with my husband duck because I am terrible at judging character I'm always like yeah I feel like I'm

pretty good and my husband's really good and he's always onto people before I am but even I was hot with Fauci was he onto that yes you know he was bad I don't know I think some people just have an act for this I I'm usually like they're good what do you mean I mean Trump didn't know yeah no he was under Trump yeah for the for the beginning for the actual he could come along like he's doing a great job yep I know that was one of Trump's failures I mean a lot of Republicans

blame him for a vaccine that wound up hurting a lot of people too and Trump stands by the vaccine but it's got some problems there's no question yeah I didn't know that people blame him for that I mean that the vaccine was a way to theoretically open up the country you they wouldn't open

is like I lived in New York this is going down and it's like you couldn't go anywhere no no

I that's when I moved to Miami like I during the COVID I was in New York moved Miami I basically

stayed there you were like a hostage in your own apartment if you didn't get the damn vaccine well I regret it though I wish I had gotten one of the fake cards that was such the obvious solution I'm like a two a goodie two shoes I don't know why I didn't do it and I was fake card city shit yeah I do you just did it yourself or like well I luckily I work in a media company

“I still don't know that's how afraid I am the one I'm like I never had it but yeah I just said”

we have graphics team so we just got a copy of the actual card and made fix you know my doctor said to me at the time I'm like what do you wish I be worried about these MRNA vaccines and he goes would you take the MRNA vaccine if it could prevent pancreatic cancer because that's a future

which was a don't be worried yeah as I was like I trust my doctor you know so I did it

and I regret doing it I wasn't so much worried it's just like I don't want to do it I'll get the card I was worried there was rumors at one point that they were going to start scanning the bar codes in which case you would have in contact with the fake would have no longer worked but yeah I was traveling and working in a lot places you could but no one looked at it closely it's like woop woop woop woop woop yeah I'm very ill see okay on the subject of the Kamala Harris

sound bite where she said you would have to be like the elephants to protect the most vulnerable right the most vulnerable he he the larger context of her remarks are about illegal immigration and what's being done right now to deport these alleged gang members what's so insane is they are not the most vulnerable we are the most vulnerable in particular women and children who tend to be the victims of these gang members people like Lake and Riley down in Georgia like

Jocelyn and Garo 12 year old down in Texas we've seen the names in the media those are the

“most vulnerable that's what Trump is trying to do to protect the innocent Americans that are the”

prey of these people who are being deported um and I did ask Tulsi about the screening that's being done because the Democrats that have you believe it's willy nilly right it's like you've got brown skin and the and the wrong tattoo you're out and she explained that they are identifying these trend eragua and MS 13 and even senaloa cartel members largely with the help of the DEA which is up to its neck in gang information 501 they know who these guys are they track them

they monitor them you all admitted was for somebody to call them up and say who are they and where are they and figure out which ones are foreign they're not all foreign and which ones are American and on top of that they have lengthy FBI investigations of these people so I thought that was interesting too that it's it is not just like gee you're brown you're out um but there was news about their most famous paste poster boy abrego Garcia kill mar abrego Garcia yesterday

“and the one who Chris Valentina been Holland had Margarita's with um it turns out this guy we knew”

that he had been accused of beating his wife by his wife well the second report came out of the same

more beatings in which she saw a protective order not just as previously reported in 2021 but earlier in August of 2020 she moved for a protective order back then um the details reveal a fight they had with of this woman his wife alleging that he took her phone demanded her car she she he's before flying into into a rage she went upstairs to cook breakfast for the kids but he shut off the stove locked the children in their bedroom they were crying she got her phone from the car called

nine one one he locked right at the house he smashed her phone she checked the boxes for acts of abuse including kicking slapping shoving mental injury of a child detaining against one's will she could hear the babies crying as he locked them in and he was after her me and my kids are afraid now he kicked me he pushed me he slapped me in the face he threatened me I have photos of all the bruises left in my body police came he acted violent with them broke my phone in front of

them I have a recording he told my ex mother-in-law that even if he kills me no one can do anything to him in March of 2020 we now find out she said he pushed me against a wall he broke a phone at TV and damaged the walls November of 19 he grabbed me by the hair in the car December of 19 he grabbed me by the hair in the car he dragged me out of the car leaving me in the street and then she rescinded the motion for the protective order as virtually all domestic violence abuse

victims do and on top of that there's another document from 2018 where her ex so this is a breakout Garcia's wife now but in 2018 his girlfriend yeah she had next husband his name is Edwin Trejo Ramos he's currently incarcerated in Maryland this is all very nice crowd but he at the time saw an emergency court hearing to get custody of his children with this woman saying um she tried to kill herself she left the kids with an 11 year old to take care of them and I'm afraid of my

kids lives being in danger because quote she is dating a gang member who was at that time we

so in this case in particular to me in a weird way crystallizes some of like what I go through

with like the politics because I actually get to a degree of democrat now not him then this is where I go on this like for the democrats and the guy from Maryland to fly down and meet with him and

“then make this guy the poster child which I think most intelligent people can be like this is a bad guy”

he's not a citizen I have no problem I want him out that that that is what we want out of this country it doesn't matter the color is skin if you're not an american citizen and you have this rap in this track worker and you've been deported yeah like certain order of removal they just they're just not to else Salvador now so I agree with all that so it to me when I saw the Maryland guy going to say I'm like why why is this guy the guy you're going to take a stand for and fight for

because we don't like he's a bad guy but at the same time I can all that research I can understand it even with something like this if you hit you get a hit you get a bad a thousand if you're going to pick somebody and deport them and if you just picked the wrong guy once with no do process nothing that's a major issue like you append somebody I don't even care you say they're an illegal but they're like a great person and they're actually contributing to me just picking

“them up getting rid of them that I'd have a problem with that so you you want them to have a hearing”

something due process so where is that the fact like they're I'm not sympathizing with the democrats or the guy from Maryland because you're using the poster child of what trump ran on and we want them out he's not a hearing yes he got a hearing when we deported him the first time when you're doing it mass after you just can't ever make him steak so I understand that logic a little bit just not with this guy you're reflecting the view of most Americans according to the

latest polls where they are in favor of trump's plan but they do want to see some do it's hard and how do you do that with so many people and without so one of the things about politics

it's not always the easiest thing to come up with like an answer because you got to run a country

and it's backed up so what would happen but I do is democrats constantly like okay this is an issue I sort of the logic behind it but you're not being sincere when this is your poster child because take out politics there's nobody you see the story a lot all right you can do this you can go me when do you want them to be your next door neighbor like do you want them to be your next door neighbor or do you want them out of the country if that was it you're either living next door

or he's deported every time do you want him on the trail when you're 18 year old daughter was for a run by yourself exactly and that is not that's based on his rap sheet nothing more and the gang stuff so that's where they lose me because it's the it find me away to make sure we can get a hundred percent but that guy is a hundred percent based on the on the the rap sheet and why this is where they put their flag in the in the mud when when they only dispute about this

guy is the fact that he technically wasn't supposed to be deported to al Salvador but he was ruled deportable yeah the only reason he wasn't deported is because we were lame we didn't have the resources and we didn't do it which is the truth for twenty million illegal the only controversial piece about this guy is that his or order of removal removal said just not to al Salvador because

“he's claiming he'll get killed by gangs there that's it that's what they've thrown their”

lap behind I do want to get to the larger issue though you're you're right over the target all americans are struggling with well what what is required because we know there was no due process when they came into the country for us right it comes to our rights to be safe and not have to put them on the public doll and pay for the lives and they're met their health care

and all this however here's the thing they don't get the same due process as an american

citizen would before we took away their liberty in any way whether it's for trying to deport them for some reason or putting them through the criminal justice system and what appears to be true in the immigration context what is true is it's a much lower level of quote due process that they're entitled to and what most people don't know including Terry Moran who was one of the lead anchors over at abc and i'm going to show you the side the sound bite of him and trump

is that in many cases no due process is okay none it's under this thing called expedited removal right which all presidents have used trump expanded expedited removal and you don't get any hearing under it it was used even under Biden to say at the border okay if there's if you show up we can just turn you around we don't have to give you hearing yeah and the only reason you only make it hearing is if you say no no no i'm going to silence seeker right and that's true under

trump too but let me just show you Terry Moran because who clearly has waited in to legal matters

to be the law watch him try to pin down trump and trump i'm telling you trump is a clever mofo just when you think he's like focused on like the u_f_c_ and like his polls he knows the nuances even of laws like this watch where he dodges on this attempt to pin him down he knows about expedited removal he knows about the lower standard undo process and he doesn't allow Terry Moran one inch it's sott nine do you acknowledge that under our law every single

person who gets deported gets a hearing first to make the case well are we talking about people that are citizens of our country or not no you're reporting citizens at this point well let me

“ask you did they get hearings when by when Biden allowed 21 million because i think the numbers”

when we went 20 million people to flow into our country but we give them a hearing when they came in

well the law requires that every single person who is going to be deported gets a hearing first well acknowledge i'll have to ask the lawyers about that all i can say is this if you're going to have 21 million people and if we have to get a lot of them out the law is the law and your law is in general about trials no not trials hearings these people came in then not citizens they came in illegally they came into a country illegally we have to get them out there's a legal process for

i can't assure and we follow the legal process i can't i can't have a trial a major trial not every person they came in illegally we have thousands of murders that came in right so we have to get them out that we have to get them out fast really bad guys but in our country even bad guys get due process right if people come into our country illegally there's a different standard these are illegal they came in illegally but they get due process well they get a

process where we have to get them out trump was right with every word yeah terry maran was in the wrong i don't know whether he's a lawyer or not i am i practice law for 10 years and covered the Supreme Court for three it is not true that everybody gets a hearing it is not the law just google go ahead and don't take my word google expedited from me it's not even necessarily a legal issue it it it it becomes a little bit for me a human issue in the sense of i get it they came in the

country illegally that but that's our fault that's our fault to a degree for not having the right set up and if i'm having a horrible life somewhere else and i know i can get into this country and it's like well the guys before me that they were wrong like they they they set this up and you you didn't get in fairly and and you've been living a very productive life here and you've made the most of it

“to append it and send it i'm not saying that's what's going through that just goes back to my”

you better be right like and i'm not saying i'm that's the legal like we they trump me have every legal argument to be like sorry you're gone but reversing time to be like well you shouldn't have gotten in here and even though you came for the right reasons the american dream and all this stuff not your gone because the last guy shouldn't that's where i get so you just got to be right get rid like and i don't know how to do it because right the trials the time all of it

and it's just a moral issue that i wrestle with a little i'm i'm definitely further to the right than you are on it but i totally get your point i'll also say that that's this is another reason why the trump is using the alien enemies acts because under the alien enemies act the amount of due process one would get before being ejected is down to its most miniscule level yeah and

even the supreme court intimated that the first time it looked at this thing some level of due

process they they they they clearly understand it's not going to be as robust as the ACLU wants it to be and even full circle to the original the the the guy the the gang guy who got el Salvador hearing how i feel you just heard and you're like well i'm more right than you are the way they've treated that guy has once again push me right it's like that's who i want out of the country and if you're going to fight that well like you're losing somebody who theoretically get is more maybe center

almost leftish but i want those people out of the country so to for the democrats to again make a circus and just political this uh what are you doing going to meet with this guy like yeah

“that's what drives me crazy you didn't go and meet with the family of Rachel Moran who was killed”

in your state and they're not staying here yeah you didn't here is a Steven Miller took to the White House podium yesterday and spoke about the jocelyn nungari case that i met at the 12-year-old

girl in Texas and just ripped it watch most of your papers never cover her story when it happened

two weeks ago that you covered it at all it was because president trump forced you to cover it by highlighting it repeatedly over and over again he had to shame you into covering it and each and

at the financial means to do so you all choose to live in condos or homes or houses as far away

“from these kinds of gangbangers as you possibly can have i offer any one of you a rent free home”

with no taxes to pay in any of these gang neighborhoods and i said your neighbors are ms 13 terrorists or mexican mafia or cinaloa cartel or trandia rogua i couldn't pay you to live there but yet you with your coverage are trying to force innocent americans to have these people as their neighbors and that one day their daughter may be abducted from their home and raped and murdered so you're not going to get an ounce of sympathy from this administration or president trump

for the terrorists who invaded our homes in our country he's so good yeah i mean they it's a fair point i did that's that's often you at all i'm so with him on that that was goes back to when i said it if you said they're your neighbor there's a lot there there's a lot of hypocritical it's easy when you're sitting in your white ivory tower to say you know your idealistic world of way you want the world to exist but when the rubber meets the road they would probably privately

say a lot of different things do different things the original maran's mom was talking about how

she went for a jog on a trail that they always walked together it wasn't like some risky trail

it wasn't the dark of night it was during the day they'd done it a thousand times together as a

“family it's like our way of life is actively being changed corrupted act ruined and her mom's life”

is changed forever right by these people and so it's like i have to tell you i have like zero empathy and i'm sorry that the ones who came even though was illegal and didn't hurt anybody but like actually tried to like blend in and and get jobs have got to go to but they do i think they all have got to go and then if they go trumpets said if you go now you can come back in but if you just if you stay and then we find out that you overstate you're never coming back into the country

and then and then you're in serious trouble okay i gotta take a quick break you're right back Dave's with us for the whole show when zero gravity resulted in zero clues have you been three women were brave enough to answer the call tomorrow special coverage of the launch of blonde origin tomorrow i'm gonna make it tell you show how far will we go strich now

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now that we've been with special guest stars who you will know very well and will thoroughly enjoy welcome back to the making Kelly show everyone here with me today Dave portnoy president and founder of bar stool sports otherwise known as president day um Katy Perry among others receiving major backlash not for taking the flight but for how they behaved afterward like they actually were Alan Shepherd Neil Armstrong and so she's come out to say she's feeling battered and bruised

by the backlash we have variety uh that the internet is a dumping ground for unhinged and unhealed people but she is resolved Dave to keep looking to the light because she doesn't want to be further damaged by these unhealed people she's right the internet is filled with unhinged lunatics but when you do this little outer space mission that can happen and i'm not gonna like lose my sleep worrying about Katy Perry's feelings but she is right it's filled with unhinged lunatics

it is but those are not the ones who are attacking her i'm sure she's getting all sides and i'm not again like what are you gonna do to me it's just so it's just right on brand to go up there and act like you're Alan Shepherd and then when people are like would you calm down you took a

vanity spy flight to outer space thanks to Jeff Bezos that cost a million dollars a seat

and stop saying gale king have you been literally no one's been cost a million dollars shut up and then when people have that reaction to you to act like i will not be bruised by you broken people i will go toward the just stop talking just somebody like that is so out of touch with like reality because they've been a star and big i i feel like if you're gonna celebrity like that what one or two is gonna have any grounded in any reality they're living in like a fantasy world so

nothing is real um i'm actually surprised the internet can actually get to them i didn't know what are they on x checking like comments that's surprising a little bit certainly yeah so that that is a little surprising but yeah uh they're they're you get to level of coddled super star status we just lose track of reality we have some news on Meghan Markle which we'll get to in just a bit

news um but i have never got to mention this thing about peat headset so there's been a lot of

“speculation that he's gonna go mic walls for those just joining us is reportedly out as um”

national security adviser along with his top deputy Alex Wong a man who's been um at underneath him there since he was born in and um some others too he heard Mark Alpern reporting that it's going to be a lot of the staff that there's reportedly disarray over there we don't know what the full story is but we will so the speculation about whether peat headset is gonna be forced out as secretary of defense and i wanted to say this so i love Mark Alpern and he's been doing greatness in the podcast

but he reported yesterday on headset and there was a bit of information in there involving yours truly and i want to speak to it so watch this peat headset okay the the stories about him there's

still some ambiguity about the facts but people in maga pretend there's not a problem and he's done a

very good job of playing by the rules that the president expects of being aggressive

“what i can report here today is that his his standing in the administration is not as solid as”

some people believe and is the president and the White House press secretary of try to signal there are people at the senior most levels of this administration not counting the president necessarily but the senior most levels under him who believe that the next time peat headset makes him a state or is exposed to a made a mistake he needs to go and there already plans underway to figure that out now what are the public clues to that because maga has been pretty supportive of peat

headset two people who are part of the very strong outside support group of the president

Tucker Carlson and magian cali here at the magian cali network they both now done interviews

with the the the advisors who were forced out of their panic on jobs and who both have said things about peat headset that are not fully supportive they like him they're close to him but they both have made it clear that they see real problems in his governance and his storage of the panic up that's a clue and I keep being pointed to that clue by folks to say if two allies of the president and two people very close to peat headset magian and Tucker are doing

these interviews something is a foot okay fair enough I understand why people are making that calculation are you in that category you're the very public strong are you like yeah I'm a friend of peats and I supported his nomination and that what they were trying to do and trucks yeah Trump too totally but I just want to say in my case I can speak for Tucker but that's not true like I in no way put on Colin Carroll one of the fired accused leakers he denies being one it completely

in an effort to undermine peat or get rid of peat or because I my amaga connections or since activities are telling me peats teetering and I'm trying to push them over the edge it totally not the case at all I'm just a newsperson and they actually came to me and asked me if they could come on it originally was all three of them and then two of them got not tapped on the shoulder by their lawyers which I understand but Caroline was like I'm doing it so I find great I mean I'll interview

peat I'll interview the guy peat fired I'll interview pretty much anybody one put in front of me unless I have a personal loathing for them so just to make it clear no one should be reading anything into what I know or what I want based on the fact that I'm pretty big one eight you just publicly like last week weren't there like it's all there's no root all the rumors of faults and he's in great stand yeah well I didn't even trump in that Terry Moran interview he spoke to what you

well you tell me what you think of how he answered the question on peat you've got a deb we'll watch it here he said the other day that you had a talk with a secretary did you take into the wood shed I had a talk with him and whatever I said I probably wouldn't be inclined to tell you but we had a good talk he's a talented guy's young he's smart highly educated and I think he's going to be a very good defense hopefully a great defense secretary but it'll be very good defense secretary

you have 100% confidence in 100% confidence in anything okay anything do I have a hundred percent it's a stupid question look it's pretty important but you have no you don't have a hundred percent only a liar would say I have a hundred percent confidence I don't have a hundred percent

“confidence that we're going to finish this interview that that that to me was by the way that's why”

like people like trump the way answered that but he definitely took him to the wood shed he definitely took him to the wood shed and probably said if you embarrassed me or the administration on a major level one more time you're gone I don't want to I think he likes I mean does not want to get rid of them but he's clear like you're out of your it's strike two has happened I think that would be the vibe of the conversation I think that's fair yep let's fair

at bar stool who I like it but if you're just dumb and you keep screwing up I'm not going to

“lose sleep over your incompetence as much as I want to keep you I'm not saying that's peat but I'm”

saying as a leader at some point it doesn't matter your personal feelings if you keep screwing up you got to go well we'll get you fired at bar stool you really have to really have to be super super dumb very few things like we recently teeter there was a big news story like there was a vicious rumor of an old miss like co-ed slept with her boyfriends dad went crazy viral crazy viral we had an idiot who talked about it as those fact I knew it wasn't fact right away I actually

thought we were keeping it off but we posted it for seven minutes gets us in all sorts of trouble this kid's a moron shout out Nicky smokes no redeemable value really to us but I do like him and he like tries hard he's just dumb that almost got him fired oh my guys you're working for you and you're talking about my best this is the truth this is somebody who you stay who you kept yeah he works for us you know it's good to be benevolent on a big mistake though because if you

can be you'll never do something like that again well unless you're so stupid that you can't

prevent it despite your best like we're not hiring the secretary of fence these are we're barcel sports we're blogging talking sports so sometimes you know intelligence isn't necessarily the top requirement for us being entertaining I got it fair enough well it's a world that's very foreign to me very foreign to me so you're gonna have to walk me through our next two segments here we got to talk about bill ballachick you ripped him okay I mean I thought it was elder abuse

“I like honestly what I saw there was Dr. Jill had Dr. Jill vibes this overly aggressive younger”

partner who's in this like apparently he looked in firm to me the way he was answering those questions it like man who's being a tank advantage of and I like to think with his family needs to do an intervention and get this one off of his back but can you set the stage for us on like what's happening with this guy I'll start by saying I am a diehard New England Patriots fan yeah you're from Boston diehard I love bill bell check he's like my guy is brought so many championships I know him

personally he lives on the end tuck it I live on the end tuck it I've met Jordan so it's a very awkward thing to see I also watch that show CBS Sunday morning with the interview it's like my feel good show I just like it I like nature there's some politics whatever but for the most part that is a drink your coffee eat your bagel feel good show so I was not expecting this interview I was

“squirming I don't know what to expect I don't know what to think about it it certainly was awkward”

I've heard people say you know is she taking advantage of him well he's taking advantage of her he's sleeping with a very attractive young girl 50 years younger I don't know why she's so involved like I really don't um I've met her she's nice enough it she's running the whole show I've known that a couple months ago like she every every piece of bill bell check business goes through her like she is basically let she would act like if that was maybe not in a romantic relationship and

that's his PR manager we're like an agent yeah nobody's blinking at that like that happens I'm sure a lot with celebrity we're not gonna talk about now you can find a bill bell check who's

gruff with the media and generally always handles himself it's just a very awkward situation the age

gap is huge clearly but she runs the show there's rumors hard knocks for HBO supposed to do North Carolina she shut that down um that's where he's the coach now yeah he's the coach there so it's just uh it's such a juxtaposition of a guy who seemingly had no media savvy but was always just straightforward no time for the media now having his life run by a 25 year old it's certainly his eye opening for guy like me I also know I'm gonna run into probably them and then tuck it and I'll be carrying my

watermelon out of stopping shop and I don't want it to be an awkward conversation you play on me yeah but it went super viral I mean it's all anybody's talking about it's all and because it's just such a departure from how a sports fan patron fan everybody thought a bill bell check can you so explain that to me because we watch that I come into this like at a left heel I don't I know who he is of course even I know who bill bell check but I don't follow his you know

I didn't I didn't know about the girlfriend and all that um to me he looked out of it like he

seemed confused but I've never ever seen him yeah so I've seen a lot of people here he's wearing

a holy sweatshirt that's what he does like that that is his look like does he talk like that

he grumbles he says I'm not going to answer that he's famous for not answering questions he's

“never media savvy him going on a book tour which is what he was doing seems like the last thing”

he would ever do in a million years if she wasn't there I would anticipate him just being like I'm not going to answer he's he's rarely conducting interviews that he has no interest he just doesn't care for the media or what they think the thing that he said that was the most accurate

is probably like I don't care what people think about me and clearly he doesn't but I've never seen him

defer to anybody like that that look at him yeah like if someone else is speaking for him that never happens he speaks for himself loudly through his actions clearly and is always like a general in the commander of the room really so to see him basically give what appears to be control of his life to her is shocking and he well mostly audience probably seen the clip by now but just in case they haven't let's play for them let's play the one where she interrupts this is Bill Belicechek on

“CBS this morning with anchor Tony Dokepool and his 24-year-old girlfriend who's 49 years younger”

than he is interrupting the interview watch the other change from Belicechek is 24-year-old Jordan Hudson his creative muse as he writes in his book Jordan was a constant presence during our interview you have Jordan right over there everybody in the world seems to be following this relationship they've got an opinion about your private life he's got nothing to do with them but

they're invested in it how do you deal with that never been to worry about what everybody else

thinks just try to do what I feel like is that's for me and what's right how did you guys meet that's the truth not talking about this no no it's a topic neither one of them is comfortable commenting on okay so now she said he's how did you meet and she interjects not count commenting about this and there are reports that she actually interjected multiple times CBS only chose to show the one just to give the audience a true sense of what how does

it's about the book and and to CBS is the fact she that quote that he she is the muse is in the book exactly so now this fight started unfolding online this is via the Daily Mail involving Belicech's daughter-in-law she's married to his son and her name is Jennifer she's married to his son Steve Belicech some people were defending Jordan the girlfriend for example somebody posted oh former New England Patriots star Julian Edelman saw that you know him stuck up for her saying

she was merely acting how any PR person would comedian Nikki Glazer also defended Hudson saying 100% she's acting as his publicist publicist do this during interviews people are out for blood and first of all I'll tell you what Jennifer the daughter-in-law said but I have done countless interviews countless I've both given as the subject of them and done conducted

literally has this never I've never seen this happen never the PR people will come to you

before the interview and they will beg you not to cover this after for to be cut yes exactly that's their job as a journalist and Tony Dokeble is a journalist you would say thank you for your input that's it you would never make a promise ever it's literally considered unethical to say I won't ask about that you know at most I've ever heard somebody say is we can't make you any promises but you know we're not that interested in that subject like a week and not but never never has a PR

person ever interviewed interjected intent into an intimate a little bit no it's very I get people asking not if someone doesn't want to talk about it we generally what because people generally want to talk about what you are asking not to talk about so we won't do it it's strange I don't agree with that it it it was different rules if it's like a host you don't know me if you're sitting to somebody doesn't consider themselves a journalist very different and by the way this is how

talk shows get away with it all the time I've been asked at school a bunch of talk shows including Tamron Halls like five years ago and her executive producer said we'll give you all the questions in advance I'm like I'm not doing that I thought like I don't want that yeah right so it's it's she got she got away with it because they consider that a talk show but she's not I guess calling herself a journalist anymore at least wasn't for that show okay so then Jennifer Bellachek's daughter

I'm dying to hear this way is in and says publicists act in a professional matter and do not storm on storm offset delaying an interview yes so I know them too this is like and that probably tells you

“everything you need to know about how the family and that's natural there's a story that came out”

the New York Post I think yesterday that she accumulated like ten million dollars of real estate very quickly so I'm sure the family based on that quote is a little like what is going on here

gruff kind of guy who needs everything particular and detail oriented it's just very strange to see

he's the guy Tim Walsh was trying to convince us he was no jazz hands yeah football

“yeah I don't know of even he was the guy man yeah he was trying to I think be more like a”

rock guy but who knows well there's more so you know about this because I say you commented on it so Bill Bellachek posted a statement on the UNC University North Carolina Chapel Hill is where he coaches right Chapel Hill and he wrote wrote his follows I agreed to speak with CBS Sunday morning to promote my new book the art of winning prior to the interview I clearly communicated with my publicist so he's not even say he told Tony Dokepool or the CBS publicist I clearly communicated

with my publicist that Simon and Schuster that any promotional interviews I participated in would

agree to focus solely on the contents of the book unfortunately that expectation was not on

during the interview I was surprised when unrelated topics were introduced and I repeated the express to the reporter Tony Dokepool and the producers that I prefer to keep the conversation

“centered on the book after this occurred several times Jordan with whom I share about the”

personal and professional relationships stepped in to reiterate that point and help refocus the discussion she was not deflecting any specific question or topic I'm sorry Bill but she was but was simply doing her job to ensure the interview stayed on track some of the clips made it appear as though we were avoiding the question of how we met what we've been open about the fact that Jordan I met in a flight to Palm Beach in 2021 and goes on for them saying they're just selectively

selectively edited clips suggested a false narrative that Jordan was attempting to control the conversation which is simply not true yeah I'm like white knuckle in the table in my years falling Bill Belichick I would say my knowledge of him there's roughly zero percent chance he wrote that he just he just doesn't care generally what anyone thinks about him so to go write that that my guess would be Jordan wrote that the fact it is all in the North Carolina website is

insane right it's just insane it's shocking again it's it's I'm speaking to all patriot fans boss and people this guy like if you could have predicted this people would say you're living in a bizarre world it's just so strange and there's long email crazy the public statement crazy but I'm not even sure he knows that was written right like he may not he may not I really don't know so the daily mail had a comprehensive piece and they cited the New York Post as reporting

even before this past weekend's interview Belichick's friends shaking their heads about his relationship with Jordan quote they're talking to him about her but very gently because they know how deep in it he is she's on opening and she took it and insider added of how she has inserted herself into every aspect of his life and career consensus among people around Belichick another sort of said is that this relationship is alarming and Hudson is a runaway train however they

include just one person defending them saying when it comes to the situation in it is just a moment in time he didn't jordan or find nobody should be concerned at this point but then they also say multiple reports say UNC is growing uneasy with her involvement in everything yeah so there's an uh added just sports winning cures everything if North Carolina wins people are going to forget this and North Carolina will be happy and look the other way

North Carolina has a bad season it's going to get very rocky it is not I don't think normal for a relatively new relationship with this age gap with the aid of someone coming in running his entire life and like CBS and hard knocks supposedly got canceled because of her it's it's just shocking it's just shocking and there's all being fought in headlines and rumors and back and forth and by the way to jordan's credit she's do I say credit she's not taking sub backwards like

every time a story comes out she's pushing forwards like she is she is not a tame flower she is not running from this at all she's running from how they met that seems clear and in my opinion

“they did not quote meet on a plane I think they did because no I think they laid eyes on each other”

in person for the first time on a plane but she's so defensive about it there's something more

to the story I don't know what it was was it only fans was it some set up by a I don't think matchmaker telling the truth I just think she's in control in her mind she's like we said we're not talking about that we're not talking about it because from the second I met them the story has been told the same to me she posted how they met a long time ago I know but that's a front what does she said that they met through so she's Fauci to you she's a criminal mastermind

no I mean it's not you or the same way I viewed and it callsmith like everyone understands

worthy of being with they can upgrade their lifestyle they can travel the world and the old guy

“gets some young beautiful woman on his arm and probably a lot of hot sex the otherwise wouldn't”

be having yeah I mean I keep could you not could you not just get hookers if you didn't want I don't know I mean and in the coal I don't admit that guy was like on his desk though he was like 200 years old yeah he couldn't even get up like bell check is still outside of this seems to be normally functions I even know 24 year old girl wants a 74 year old man I mean that's not what you're attracted to I to me it's not obvious attempt to be with power and money it's like look

a lot of women do that yeah maybe she's legitimately attracted to I don't know the whole thing the whole thing is makes you uncomfortable it's just I it's stunning it it is stunning before we leave

the topic of the patriots I remember asking you about this the first time you came out we were on

one other time a long time we I think we only had audio at the time um do you hate or love Tom Brady love love okay yeah so I may have spoken with you when he was in the box okay

“I was mad at him maybe that's what happened yeah but he read his whole time okay there's no question”

to your mind no question number one yes and how is he doing as a sports commentator bad awful not good oh why he's just thinks at it like what do you mean not everybody he's the greatest quarterback not everybody is born to be a great announcer I just I don't find him to be good at announcing football now he's brand new it's his first year they give him a gigantic contract but he certainly didn't come out of the gates like a natural um then he have all sorts of training I'm sure

he did for the amount they paid but again I maybe anybody can eventually become a good announcer I don't know it's not the easiest thing to do but he just didn't come out of the gates he's almost to me to elevated he's so great like the way he talks but no I didn't think he he did not come out all guns firing and again it it's his first year doing it so maybe there should be some leeway

but they paid him a ton of money oh yeah I like I mean a ton almost 400 million dollars yeah it's

big time to okay shadurer Sanders yes so this is Dion Sanders son yeah Dion Sanders such a big football star even I know that name yeah what who did Dion play for he and the pros he played for Falcons Cowboys and 49ers okay and he is the one I quoted Dion Sanders before because he had some great quote which was something to the effect of if you look good you play good if you play good they pay good yeah I would I love that's very clever and cute but his son who was many expected to go like

“while you tell me where in the draft where what were the what was the expectation I think earlier”

in the season a lot of people saying early first round top 10 pick and then as I got close to the

draft it started sliding and you heard maybe end of the first round second round is probably what

people thought going because he's a big college cuby yes okay and then the draft comes and walk us through how that unfolded that because he was like these story that night yeah so the draft comes first round comes and goes he's not drafted not totally shocking um Mel Kiper who is the draft guy expert he's ran and Raven he should go and then round two comes nothing round three comes nothing so he's slid I believe into the fourth round how many rounds are

there there's I think six six or seven six or seven oh so now he's down to the bottom shocking shocking um and players who uh quarterback's going who I think anybody would say well she goes better than him not drafted and it became the story and it kind of took on a life of its own with people all over the internet chiming and why isn't he getting drafted for various reasons that was a story so uh I loved he on he used to work for a bar stool he's one of my favorite

guys I've ever met there were any windows it's race it's this it's that it to me it was none of it it was Shidorah Sanders and the Sanders are one of the great publicity machines all time like Deons heavily involved Deons saying hey I played in the NFL we're picking what team we're going to he's going to be the starter he's this that um so there's a lot that comes including you can say circus when you draft your door you're putting a tent on the thing for NFL teams there's nothing

they hate more than distractions they're like the most everyone's focus we don't need distractions having said that if they think a guy can help them win you could be a murderer and they draft it all that's happened literally that's all they care about but in evaluating there's a fine line between is this guy the guy and can we win with Shidorah and he is he the franchise if teams thought that they would have picked them instantly none of the other stuff would have mattered but he was kind

of in a weird area where a lot seems like this isn't he's not going to be a 10 year star he's not

his face it because that's a circus the last thing you want that's what I believe happened so if you didn't think he was the starter and a top five pick do you want him in your locker I'm creating a circus environment and he kind of got caught in the middle and that's when he dropped all the way to Cleveland now if you're Cleveland or any team dropping them fourth fifth drafting and fourth fifth round you're like you know what enough we're getting microphones he's not who we think he is

you're just kind of it's not the end of the world because you don't waste a top draft pick if you take them early and it doesn't work you're stuck with them really because you can't waste traffic so

“I think that's what happened all the other in you window around it is garbage why why is President Trump”

involved what's he tweeted some of you should take him or what happens friends with the on how I mean yeah during the draft he tweeted yeah well he went he was slipping trump i need trump lump is talking football you know football team he likes jumping in in these discussions i think sometimes trump just can't handle like having x in front of on me he's like how are they not he's like a fan he and he's president also but i don't think he thought anything he's like oh i'm friends

with the on and i'm gonna say he should be drafted is it inappropriate i like it like the people think he was putting inappropriate pressure on teams as the president no i i i kind of like it it depends what he's doing but that's that's trump i mean i'm not trying to make a controversy of everything trump does okay but back to this because so Steven a Smith was on the show not long ago then he posted something that i i know you disagree with but explain it to me so he posted

someone just texted me this message and they're absolutely correct quote this is a bad look for the NFL this feels like cappernick level collusion all the hard work the NFL league office puts into eradicate these kinds of perceptions only to turn around and watch as the owners look like their colluding messing up everything what has been done to shador will outshine everything else

in this draft will never believe this is just about talent evaluation again and it that does

seem to be a reference to raise i mean i don't know why you'd bring in cappernick and what they're

“trying to to me i don't know why he didn't put the word racist that's what it sounded like racism”

that's why i responded that's an insane take to me that's just the owners and the NFL are arguably the most competitive group of like billionaire successful people they don't like each other they want to win they would never collude you they never collude if you if they thought should or could get them a suitable they would do whatever so to me that just and absolutely insane take it's just one of your drafting guys not just strictly talent you're looking at

all the things that are surrounding who is the first draft pick this year it it was camort is a black quarterback okay so it's like i mean then i read that um in the last three drafts including this year yeah black quarterback went number one overall yeah so it's not it has nothing to do with race what is the NFL is racist what's up who thinks the NFL i mean when he says the cappernick stuff it he's going back to take in the and there were some teams taken in the

some not i mean jerry jones came out so he's going back to that and by the way there is some larys to me in the cappernick situation in which teams just viewed cappernick and said he's not good

enough to have a circus form like this is a distraction yeah if so do you think Dion ultimately

hurt his son by being such a big personality who they thought they were going to have to deal with more than they wanted to and in strictly and where he got drafted like what he had been drafted quicker if Dion if it was Dion Jones who was his dad absolutely if you ask Dion in he asked should or are you glad Dion's there a hundred percent you guys wouldn't be getting drafted in our research media like he i mean he's partying is getting millions of dollars in endorsements and all this stuff

so it's a package deal but if you're just saying what teams have dropped drafted him without i mean Dion before the draft is like don't draft my kid if i don't like you because i'm not going to let him sign with you why he's not the first one did that the mannings did that well really yeah

“that he like manning they said to i believe it's the cult so like if you drafted me he's not coming”

and they didn't draft them so they bullied them go to the cult didn't know what we're called one

went to deniers it was uh you i went to the giants instead of the cult the cult had the first pick

did a manning play for denver yes at the end of the career when he had no he had no army could apply to it you're right okay you know a manning played for the cult Peyton played his heart there we go okay right so i was at the cult i don't know whoever i forget now that you say because Peyton played for the cult wherever Eli you ever had the first pick maybe a sandier go away they're they're telling me Peyton played for the cult Peyton

Peyton played for the cult somebody at the first pick when Eli came out in archie manning who played in the league did what Dion essentially did without his much pomp and circumstance said if you drafted him he's not going and they didn't draft them and E John L. Waves done it so it's

and if you don't think he's great i probably won't want him on my team either because i don't want that to be the focus of whatever one's talking well now we'll see right now now the

“rub will meet the road i think he's going to be great so we'll see how the brown's any good my”

friends did i heard brown's family it's always complaining about how bad they were franchise

arguably in sports oh gosh so he's not going to be happy about this well who knows maybe he's the future but they have the weirdest qb room i'm getting deep they have they have to show them Watson the guy who had like nine thousand illegal massages oh they paid him at the ton of money they drafted another quarterback before they have a wild qb room wild very Cleveland i don't that's fascinating that's more for your next appearance yeah qb room with multiple massages okay

very different from our job stand by more with Dave right after this and we've covered ground that's more in my wheelhouse and we've covered ground that's more in Dave's wheelhouse and we finish on a note of solidarity that we both have strong feelings on and that is Megan Markle yeah so she has done the world premiere episode of actually being on someone else's podcast and the someone else is the is her name is Jamie Kern Lima now i have actually interviewed this

person but i didn't realize i'd interviewed this person because she founded IT cosmetics which

“i remember interviewing her at NBC i think it's the same lady i could be wrong she looks a little”

different but anyway um she was a news anchor and she realized that you have a need for like cosmetics

there a little bit thicker because of the cleaglides and all that and her brand became a billion

dollar brand and she sold it to laurel for 1.2 billion in 2016 news anchor right yeah yeah no one offered me make up at all here it's good stuff yeah we sold you down the river so she now has a podcast and is also apparently friends with Megan and in the world premiere of podcast Megan Duchess of Sussex she pulled out all the stops here is the intro of the episode look at this Megan Duchess of Sussex in her first ever podcast interview it's happening it's not about

the grandeur of a gesture it's about i see you i'm nurturing you i see you so deeply and i love being able to see your corrode my all things it's really emotional i feel body chills right now for them to be able to look back and go oh my gosh she has loved us so much she's an american member of the British royal family and entrepreneur author after founder of the lifestyle brand as a lord that just sold out of stock completely in the first hour of its recent

launch into the world she's also a mom to her two beautiful kids prince archie and princess lila that and wife to husband prince Harry Duke of Sussex oh my god why don't you like her i just threw up a little on my mouth what let me count the ways there's nothing i like about her do you know her no but she is a malignant narcissist who cannot get enough of herself while she's simultaneously plays the victim my castle she's not the queen is mean to me they won't let me call

myself her all heinous anymore but i'm gonna put it all over my stationary and on the gifts that i

give to my friends while she never stops whining and at the same time i am getting all worked up

she that busy i'm a founder i'm over it she's not important she married for money it's very clear she bagged the elephant she was thrilled she became a quote princess well you can now it was planned from the beginning she denied being interested in the royal family which she totally was i know someone who knows the ex husband who's said she had a vision board with prince Harry on it and for they met yes and she wants to impress if you go to admit that it is impressive she nailed it yeah

did it because a lot of people probably did that it was like shooting fish in a barrel with all that self help talk he had he was no match for her so i as we are unpacked like an onion some of

“things i'm interested i actually like the royal family i think it's cool so that's another thing she”

killed the queen yeah she didn't kill the queen i don't i agree with you i can't have someone nary into the royal family and be like woe was me of all these attention or whatever you're getting from me it's no no kidding it's the royal family can't believe i'm not getting paid yes all this stuff and then they didn't they renounce their royalty but they still want the royalty so it is hypocritical to get into that situation then want nothing to do with it but you do

want anything to do with it i don't have a strong enough feelings as you do for her i don't care for her i wouldn't put her in a hate category of mine i don't like her i didn't see that

the pageantry and just coming and kind of blow it up and then cry it's like whoa whoa and she's

“a bully i mean the reports were uniformly from inside the castle that all the young women in”

particular who work for her quit in tears she's so wore them down and was so nasty then when she started her own company similar reports coming out from Montesito about how knowing can work for her she's a nightmare behind the scenes and not toward the betterment of her staff just because she's an insecure person who takes it out on other people it was up with a no makeup that had to be an intention that's another thing mori was saying this on her moring

calian has a new podcast for part of our network and uh make up late yeah and exactly right

and it's bullshit so first of all she had the hair blown out it was perfect i do not believe

that she was makeup free there she didn't have eye makeup on which is a different thing um but that's her being relatable day yeah right relatable intention relatable yeah um so here she is talking about the joy she all of your top ten hate list oh yeah she's not top five uh the joy of working hard so sure she's really toiling away take a listen but to the world it's just what has she been doing does she work as opposed to oh my gosh i work so hard and i i appreciate what hard work

looks like i like working hard um and i'm still working hard right the moment that everything sells out it doesn't mean that we're done yeah it means we're working on replenishment and what are the next use and what's the next tranche products and what's the timing on that and

writing the newsletter is writing the social media captions and making sure that all that

feels in line and what's the cadence of it and what's the photography that we want to do and what do i want to wear for those shoots while also editing all the time coated notes for season title and then being an edits for the podcast and making this smile and then a mom and wife and a friend oh yeah those are all jobs i mean i love being that busy but i do think it's really interesting when people have no sense of what goes into the thing yeah and then when the thing seems

like between two ferns almost the way she's hosting it the thing's not done right the finish line was really the starting line okay we get it yes go that that that would infuriate me like as someone who's trying to start a business struggling because it's like you can't fail like you're you're

if you're selling i don't want you selling candles i don't know what she's selling gem like you're

you're you're in the royal family so to to this head start that you have an incomplete about working hard it's like you're in the royal families so to complain about oh the business you don't have to if you don't want to show up if you don't want to do the schedule you don't have do anything you don't want to do you're living in a family literally like a fantasy tale of but the other

“the host what's happening with her you actually didn't if people know who is who i think people”

be focusing on the host in the Russian yeah yeah was between two ferns yeah i don't hate her as much as you but it's really it's like a love to hate situation yeah i don't have actual hatred for her i have that for very few people it's a small list but she's not on it but i just can't stand her i think she's such a phony i love to make fun of her because she continues to give me so much material she comes across as a phony in that i've got i've got to show you one more on that okay look look look

this is short one so at twenty nine look at this ridiculousness your close friends and family so many of them call you m and hairy h yes how did that start and tell me about that probably at the beginning of us dating when everything was in code code yeah people didn't know we were dating for uh yes she's talking about this alone so long ago i mean little you're seven year wedding anniversary soon i couldn't say tell anyone who i was dating and

“was keeping so i think we were just on a letter basis yeah and then um it's stuck it's stuck it's stuck”

it was their code there's super stealthy code m and h like like when i call dug bug ridiculous that's like choosing your alias as a famous person and it's john Smith like what will that podcast have like crazy numbers because she's on it like does she move in needle like that i have no idea but if if it does it's going to be at least two thirds hate listeners like that i mean i but i actually again i think it'll be over shadow by the interviewer who is looks like

you know on out of outer space yes and so bizarre with the weird bluish and make up to no makeup so speaking of podcasts success do you have any advice for me you you've grown this you're killing it right well i only have two in the mk podcast networks so far but we're you're talking adding yeah adding like a network like you know you have a network at bar stool yeah so do you well are you focused on news yes news culture you know everything related to news

that try to find something talented people and find things that i haven't seen necessarily before

“so like call or daddy which i would surprise i don't see the big signs around here yeah you found”

that he went out and to become extremely and i hadn't seen anything like that like it was my cup of tea but it was like oh this is different we've been very successful for that but it it is trying to get out of i guess a network sense it's like and i'm sure it would be similar with you if i see something and it catches me for more than a minute or two it's like i'm interested in this that's a good start we've certainly been wrong a lot it's a band label for us kind of like a

band label sign a bunch of little bands hopefully one or two hit and that kind of is the model and how how long do you wait until you you know cut bait or declare the message we sign up for contract so it's generally like two to three years so like a band label and not different from band label once they become successful they're very difficult to deal with like then they want

“the money they see what's going on and so the talent business stinks yeah because once the”

talent becomes big they don't need any more and they may be under contract but you got a they generally if they if we can't resign them they leave and we built a lot of very rich superstars in this digital age from our scuba patmac coffee a lot of people make a lot of money and then we

just got to refill the pipeline and find the next and never ends and that sucks i feel like you know

i i have good people i have faith in them and we have a good relationship but famous last words i i take your point so i mean the your company now is huge right a minute you i read that in like 2002 you were filing for bankruptcy and now you're talking about the trump terrace costume you like twenty million dollars that's just what was what it cost you yeah so you're obviously hugely success yeah we've done well that's it from see thing by the way there was a new

York Times hit piece i did but it was like my dad told me in college and i hate the New York Times anyhow that wasn't a business thing so yeah that we sold our stool in 2016 15% of it for uh of 12 million was the valuation then we sold it again for 600 million was the valuation and then i got it back for a dollar so now i have the whole thing again yeah so it's been a while right so what like now you have all this money do you live differently are you different i don't

think i'm different i certainly live differently things that i've always been interested in

like horse racing Kentucky Derby's this weekend i love horses love so i would go to the track growing up and now instead of being you know and the bleacher section are with the riffrath betton two bucks i can afford to own the horses so things like that have changed but it's still my core interest i don't think i've changed i i guess i mean a positive thing about bar stool a lot of the people who started with them are still there so you know i that's your rider dice

yeah rider dice or we just treat our employees like well and i don't think anybody would ever say about me they may be like he's a jerk or he's blunt but nobody would be like he's dishonest i'm pretty straight in all my dealings with people and that's helped get us i mean we've been around now over 20 years so that's helped well i i find it entertaining i go over there not really for sports but when commentary comes into the news world political i love it i love how

can you go viral i mean i saw i try not to because whatever you get in politics people and both the right and left if i like i criticize trump the other day because his line about the stock market is not his stock it is like you have affected the stock market because of tariffs end of story it's it you can't say it's not like you can't blame that on Biden it's yours you're you're by the tariffs it's yours and if i say that suddenly all the

people like me on the right hate me that i know you but it's like you're saying how you actually feel which is that's that's the name of this game right that's for sure by the way my team tells me that this youtube show for this jamey lady the squeaky voice make up lady is there at 250 1,000 views after three days which is terrible yeah for having the duchess that's i'm sorry

gonna say like 250 million no or like at least 2.5 million i like no one has any interest in it

“i don't even know what happened hearing her talk about how hard her life is or how hard she's working”

or her secret code for hnm whomever could they mean oh what who's going to mess up like an SNL day for no i great to have you thanks for being here yeah hope to see you again thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly show no BS no agenda and no fear