Russell Brand on His Upcoming Trial and Past Mistakes, Addiction, His Past Marriage to Katy Perry, and Finding God

the least. Hey everyone I'm Megan Kelly welcome to the Megan Kelly show and what the show we have for you today. Russell Brandt is here and this is going to be unlike anything you've ever seen

here on the MK show. We first met several years ago on my set at NBC where he came out

“and at the time was full of energy and a huge star and even back then I remember said something like”

you're you're far less polarizing than people tell me you are and we bond it immediately he's of course a British comedian he's an actor he's a media personality and he knows the thing or two about being polarizing now himself unfortunately rising to fame back in the 2000s as a stand-up comic and landing high-profile roles in Hollywood films like for getting Sarah Marshall and get him to the Greek. Not to mention the animated blockbusters despicable me, trolls and minions he appeared on TV

shows comedy programs and landed on the front cover of the Rolling Stone about that as an iconic image of him and he was further catapulted into the headlines with his high-profile marriage to pop star Katie Perry. Everyone wanted to know every detail about their lives they were one of the it couples of the decade until the marriage ended a couple years later in divorce. In recent years

“he's reinvented himself as a host and a commentator amassing millions of followers in content”

focused on politics media criticism and what he describes his threats to free speech particularly during the COVID pandemic where he was absolutely fearless questioning government policies big pharma and mainstream narratives in a way few were and it was bold and it was noticed by the British government. Brand has also spoken openly about his personal turn towards spirituality and Christianity saying that his faith has given him a sense of peace after years of struggling with various

forms of addiction about which he is very open. But there have been some serious allegations against Russell II and he is set to go on trial in the UK later this year we're going to get into that as well nothing's off the table today as the investigations and public debate continue about him he remains as outspoken as ever and now he's out with a brand new book it's called how to become a Christian in seven days may take 50 years of sin and serious fuckups to get started

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“been a while what has been eight years since we last saw each other yes I remember in where you”

were in the culture then is I feel that you've previously been on fox and then you came on to having your own show and I feel like it was you moving from being a news oriented person that's have a daytime version of you with celebrities and the culture but I feel like there's a lot of kind of excitement around you at that time and it's one of the preparing I mean sort of mentally and spiritually to come and meet you I was thinking that both of us have moved through the culture in ways

that are comparable have been very close to it's sort of what one might call its centre because I was going to use the word heart that heart doesn't seem quite the right word for the culture because heart is perhaps what it's most lacking and it's it's it's exciting and interesting to speak with you because I know that you will you will recognize themes and trends that I've experienced yes very much so I mean watching your evolution has been very interesting to me because

energy positive energy you were so kind and I was in the midst of a terrible year there because

it didn't go well for me at NBC I wasn't liked by virtually any celebrities and yet I found myself immersed in them and it was so rare to have somebody come on the set and be so nice to me and

“like so complimentary and I remember being like I love Russell Brent and actually somebody asked”

me a couple years after that who was my favorite celebrity who I met you know my time at Fox and NBC and I said Russell Brent because you were so warm you were so nice you acknowledged the thing about being polarized and you said you're actually quite lovely and I remember we had a laugh over it and now you know as I've watched you go through your you know past few years and become this scourge of a certain section I feel for you because they're they're doing it to you

same stuff they've done to me as soon as you get political especially right wing political boy they come for you are you able then I wonder Megan to whilst because I suppose the person I had when I made was wondering why I would have a prejudice before me and you were able to have gotten that from and I suppose there are some assigned cultural figures that you're

“allowed to like if you're a participant in the culture and then there are other people that are”

men are being kind of pariah or that you're not meant to approve of or like and I reckon I suppose that I came in there as part of a Hollywood liberal set but even though like that kind of liberalism would not be the values that I grew up with in a way what I've said to you now is a connection to

actually where I'm from and kind of who I've always been that when you get sort of pulled into fame

it doesn't interesting thing to you because any sense of deficiency inferiority can be sort of temporarily medicated by the attention something bombs the soothing bombs of synthetic glory like if they will give you a kind of you are amazing because in addition it's not like everybody didn't like you and NBC you were sort of a glorious enough individual to have your own sort of show and everything and I thought it's so you know I what I'm going through now is acknowledging and

addressing what I how I have contributed to the conditions that I am experiencing and what lessons are available and they're pretty obvious and pretty evident the complexity only being in the small portion that is framed by illegality and criminality there's a very small margin almost everything else I would entirely agree with and you've been self-reflective on I want to talk to you about so much of it because my next phase of you while I watched you during COVID and I loved all that

and I thought he's gotten very brave and very outspoken in a great way then came all the allegations

the sexual alleged sexual assault and rape and so on but but and it first came in this UK quote

documentary they use that term very loosely there and here and I'll tell you upfront I was angry when I saw that because they did it in such a compelling way that especially the stuff about the 16 year old that I was angry with you I believed what they said or at least believed that there was enough smoke there might be fire and said to the audience at the time you know the conservative movement doesn't need somebody like that like we love what he's saying about COVID but if this is a

guy who's sexually assaulting women and taking advantage of 16 year olds we need to move on without him and felt that anger for a couple of years around you because I just thought it was so reckless and it was so wrong and I knew that it might be false but it seemed overwhelming the the way that they presented the evidence and then the more I looked at it the more I started to recognize I might not know the full story because since then I have seen what the British government has

done what my own government has done to certain figures that it doesn't like and I have an enormous amount of open-mindedness to you are being railroaded and attacked by people for reasons having nothing to do with actual facts but with your right leaning stance on certain issues you're

“growing prominence as a figure in a bunch of discussions that they find very threatening and honestly”

I just re-evaluated the whole thing and thought I need to be open-minded to having been wrong in my initial assessments and I'm interested in a conversation about it all. Thank you Megan Kelly for giving me the grace to address in particular your anger which is entirely legitimate and recognizable and the plain fact of it is that in Europe and in the United Kingdom where I'm from the age or consent is 16 and I did sleep with a 16 year old when I was 30 but when I was 30

I was a very different person I was I was a lot younger and I was an immature 30 year old consensual sex actually with a variety of people when there is a strong power differential

I think involves exploitation I think it is exploitative I recognize that my sexual conduct in the past

“was selfish and I did not apply enough consideration barely any I suppose really to”

how that sex was affecting other people. The only matter that I would contest while acknowledging firstly you're right to be angry with as a woman who are given what I know about you in the industry

you've worked in I'm sure that you have personal reasons for feeling agree towards powerful

men because in spite of occasionally men coming to the forefront of the culture whether it's the most hideous gargoyle villains as rendered in portrayed or the more sort of innocuous and party boy style exploits of women a category that I suppose I must fall into. It's plainly something that exists within our industry and one might say culture at large while I was transgressing lines of being a person that was sleeping with people because I had availability to not only by the way

weight resistant strippers and fans and people but like you know powerful women as well or a powerful professional women that had gravitas and stator some power I was only really thinking of myself and obviously this is I have a careful of contempt of court because that's a law in my country where I can't say anything publicly that might in any way influence a potential jury but obviously as soon as I've said I'm not guilty why I mean effect saying is I had consensual sex with lots of

lots of women and you can argue that that's not appropriate but the age of consent is an important thing the ability to consent is an important thing like I eat drunk people can't consent mentally or people can't consent children can't consent but consent is what's important and what fame gave me and what addiction fueled was opportunity for endless consent which led me to be a hedonist and a fool and an exploiter of women and that is wrong and that is something that needs to be redeemed

and addressed and a tone for what I'm obviously not only querying but violently or aggressively or assertively opposing is the idea that this is a judicial criminal matter where consent was overridden

“actually what happened was consent was directed that's what being famous and being”

I mean if I may say for give me charismatic afford you is the ability to direct consent that doesn't mean it's right it's actually not right it's wrong it's a sin it's an expression of selfishness and fault idolatry I provided a lot of material through my foolishness and my selfishness around women that meant that when I became not a person that was celebrated by the culture as a representative

of individualism, hedonism you're the most important thing in the world there's no essentially acting

like if there is a god you're it that's what the culture wants you to believe it doesn't want you to have a higher authority to which you submit than none of us have control over but we don't actually we're not the final say on what's right and wrong god is the final say now I have a trial so in that trial I'll have the opportunity as will people that feel wrong against to achieve justice and I have no problem in praying for absolute justice and the best possible outcome for everyone

involved indeed that is my prayer Megan because however I look at this or carve this up there are people that feel hurt enough to participate in this mention now so the second part of what you're saying why did it happen when it happened because the documentary was made that framed my very

“explicit public behavior in a particular way I believe that there is a strong connection between”

when it happened and what I was doing publicly I'd move from being acting in movies and being on TV and writing books and essentially advocating for the kind of cultural values that most people within

the institutions of power and entertainment power endorse and espoused to being quite critical of

the mopenly critical of the pharmaceutical industry the British government bureaucratic agencies that have unalected power that we are often are taxed for and are funding and in covid I really started to find a voice for something I'd long felt that real power is inaccessible to ordinary people I'd go into a lot of controversy and trouble in around 2015 when I was thinking of running for mayor of London where I'd said there's no point voting for anybody because whoever you vote for you're

going to get the same institutions and boy does that seem aposite and perspicacious now when we have a very powerful and it is in critic and seemingly self empowered individual as the leader of your country both powerful nation in the world who many people believe is currently fulfilling an agenda that is not endorsed by the American public and many people also believe is not even in the best interests of the United States of America so if someone is powerful and magnetic and

international power that are not beholden to the populations of the nations that they're

elected to represent then all of us are participating to some degree or another in sets of powers and interests that do not like to be challenged and are difficult to challenge whether one thinks about this current conflict one thing I pretty strongly believe is if Kamala Harris had been

“elected you would still have this war with Iran in more or less the same way and that's what's”

kind of disheartening about it is that power is going to do what it's going to do in fact when you reflect even for a minute is ridiculous to think otherwise otherwise true global power would have to pivot every four years to accommodate significant variation depending on what's on which political party got elected the likes of Kissinger players on the world stage of a ways known you need 20

year 30 year 50 year 100 year American projects and it's very interesting to know that the project

of the next American century included we're going to have wars with Iran we're going to have wars with Lebanon Iraq North Korea Afghanistan you can tick all those nations off and most people that've been paying attention already conducted that exercise now what the pandemic provided I suppose was an interesting window where for a moment there was an attempt to assert global control not over national control you remember we all did at the beginning of the pandemic they said

“well in China of course with their social credit scores and their centralized communist control”

they can immediately submit an entire population but you try that in the United Kingdom or Italy or Lord above forbid the United States of America well what happened they were more or less able to assert that level of control in what is superficially a very different political system explicitly democracy and yet when it was the lockdowns when it was you can't worship when it was take these vaccinations people generally speaking abayed the only problem was that with a decentralized

media that's not controlled by the same resources and forces as customary media there were voices like Joe Rogan most obviously and evidently who I suppose framed and platformed significant and more importantly authoritative voices around the vaccine I'm talking about McCulloch robber malone Jay Batacharya people who blessedly now one positive of the current administration are in government under the HHS of Secretary Robert Kennedy now outspoken critics of the COVID pandemic people

they said how can they possibly have researched these vaccines how can we know what the side of XR did they even test for transmission they once these threads started going pulled we know that COVID companies like Moderna and Pfizer spent a good deal of money observing and doing their best to de-amplify what they called anti-vax voices in my country for example Megan there's a group called the 77th Brigade there are silaps organization run by a man called Mark Lancaster who's married

to Dame Caroline Dynechus she's the one who tried to stay for you on the very first day on the very

first day that these unsettling and disturbing allegations were made Caroline Dynech who's works with a government was ready to say X should demonetize Russell Brown and Rumble should demonetize him usually and the YouTube of course did now when did Caroline Dynech even learn the nomenclisher of CPMs and programmatic ads well perhaps it's possible to imagine in a Nancy Pelosi and Paul Pelosi typeway perhaps some information crossed the marital bed because her

husband Mark Lancaster runs the 77th Brigade they are and you can look at this now online to ensure that why I'm telling you is at least somewhat accurate the 77th Brigade are a silaps organization that operate in partnership with the military in countries like Syria and Afghanistan when those nations are occupied and internal descent has to be quashed and controlled and online organizations such as we saw in the Arab Spring has to be managed and manipulated that includes

the amplifying online messaging, intercepting, controlling, shutting down and all sorts of things that we don't understand could be simply don't know the technology normally synops of that nature are not able to be practiced domestically it's illegal but in the same way that they found a way around surveilling citizens using the five eyes and understand from Netanyahu there is now a sick thigh in Israel the five eyes get round that problem the five eyes being the anglofonic

nations kind of the United States American New Zealand Australia the UK by spying on one another's citizenry and sharing information that way the US doesn't break any of its internal laws about spying on its citizens and neither does the UK and yet the information is acquired the information to control people as they would snow and revealed at the time they have all the information they need on you so if you want in one day in the future you become an enemy of the state they will

find something with which to criminalise you if that should be required God forbid that is ever required in anyone's life but if it happens they've got the information so 77th brigade were

“allowed to do that in the UK because Covid was treated as some of you remember and it was extremely”

advanced in your nation as a kind of military exercise a kind of war now I only know this because I was reading the good work of other journalists and reporters and independent media contributors

picture of Covid in real time than the one we would be in offered by the very institutions that you and I worked for Megan we're on late night TV you know the likes of Stephen Colbert were dressing up as a syringe and dancing around where I'd remember another late night show by my fellow Brit and you know a person that I have a good affection for James Corden dancing in the street celebrating Anthony Fauci who now would celebrate Anthony Fauci in the same manner knowing he's

didn't involve him with the HIV crisis Trump still defending him so I suppose that you know that was a rather a long answer but it was a complex question and I want to thank you for having me on and giving me opportunity to address the thing that's troubled me most about this is I have obviously through my conduct hurt people it's not criminal conduct it's not right in fact to

“use the phrase that they use to sense of people on X these days awful but lawful I think isn't”

it's not right to sleep around with lots of people I say that not only is a father of doors but of a son I don't mind children growing up thinking the apex of your human power is having

a lot of sex with people sex is a very powerful thing it's a gift and I misused it and I understand

now but there are consequences to that can we talk about we can circle back on the on the allegations but let's just talk about how you got to be you because I have terrible mistake making what's happened having read more about your background your whole story came into more clear focus for me so it wasn't an ideal childhood your dad wasn't really present your mom went through a lot while you were young and forgive me for raising it so casually but you also were the victim of

sexual abuse I understanding it so that's a lot for anybody's first 18 years how how would you describe your childhood well I suppose because I have the blessing of being in 12 step recovery now

“I encounter people on a daily basis that have suffered enormously enormously and I have the privilege”

of very dedicated imperfect parents like my children have got very dedicated and imperfect parents my father run brand he did his best but he was on his own mission he lost his own father when he was a baby when he was seven years old my mother is you've alluded to a cancer but five six seven times in a very short time frame that was in my childhood and you're right I did experience some sexual abuse outside of the family when I was very young when I was seven and then again

when I was a teenager um now because I'm aware that my donting loving parents got love them my dad and particularly he'll be watching this live if he knows I'm on it like I don't want to prioritize my own self-aggrandizement and my tendency to mythologize myself and to sort of lean into this idea that I come from a humble blue collar background and I overcame heroin addiction and crack addiction and all of that that that some of those things are true because now I recognise

that who I've always been and who I am now is a broken person who my parents are a broken

people and was talking to my mum on the phone here and she's like this you know my mum who love me was so happy when I've got to be famous because she thought oh look it all makes sense now that weird little kid that was raising and every famous and like look everyone loves him or really at least some people love him um you know so my childhood was chaotic and it was difficult and it was hard and I've always always felt desperately desperately alone and exiled here

and broken and a lot of the time very very afraid and very very unhappy in the world and frankly when I became a drug addict it was a tremendous relief and any drug addict watching this or our alcoholic will recognise what I'm saying it was a first time life made sense was when I was able to medicate internally and chemically the feelings of total abandon and lossier and that's really nobody's fault because I know people that have grown up in care and foster homes

and with unbelievable horrific suffering and I know people that have grown up in opulence and splendor when did the drug start because I know you you found acting in high school yes and was it when did the drug start after that? yeah immediately after it's almost you recognise in your own life making two tracks running simultaneously one way you're being guided by sort of almost that I one might say heavenly hand and the other sort of pulling you back

I sort of started smoking weed like any kid at 15 16 then it just escalated I had such an

“appetite for it every single drug well this is what I think might be somewhat significant”

is that I treated it like worship like I worshiped drugs I worshiped it I love taking cocaine I loved heroin I was fascinated with heroin before I ever took it I really thought this is going

to be it this is going to solve everything I was around the first time I took it was 19 I was

dependent on it by the time I was I reckon 2223 I got I got my first like real gig was I started hosting shows when I put it on in 2425 on MTV this was before I knew I was they were late at night I was in nightclubs and I would talk to people that it was when club culture was a big deal in Europe and people taking like X to CNM DMA Molly you call it in your country

high also but I was able to follow these very surreal and unusual rants what people didn't know it's like while they were on X to see I was on crack and heroin and that was my first like little go at being famous and having money and not living on welfare and I exploded into that little life so quickly that I you know I hit a ceiling I hit a parama or a crashed and burned real far which is the point where I purchased I don't know sounds like it was just prior to this but

you you did your first acting gig in high school then you went to the royal academy of theatre what do you call it what's the name of it into rado is what you're alluded to and I still feel a ping of disappointment even to here it's name mentioned I went to a place called drama sent which is a very good school where people at Pierce Brosnan and Simon Callow and who are these stars now days fast-bender Tom Hardy like the actors went there so like a very gritty stand-ups

last-key based school I went there and they loved me they adored me then I went crazy I took too many drugs they threw me out I could get thrown everywhere thrown out of you okay thrown out a holly would thrown out of every school I was ever at but you kept landing on your feet somehow so you were young you were in your young twenties when you found the glory of these drugs

which of course is always followed by something I don't know what we call it but it's the opposite

of glory and how long did it take you before you got clean off the drugs and sort of the sex addiction took a took their place oh well the sex addiction I have to say was you know like I got concurrent yeah but it gets worse without drugs so you know because obviously they're impeding factors with if you're dependent on heroin without going into too much graphic detail there are a number of obstacles to a successful sex life and but like I stopped taking heroin when I was like 27 and

stopped drinking and by God's grace became abstinent one that a time through the 12 step programs which are really the foundation of my spiritual life thank god because that's where you first learn there's not really drugs you're addicted to yourself you're addicted to this particular perspective you're addicted to control you are so obsessed with who you are and what

“you want that you are you can't really be of any use to anybody in this world that's what I”

learned anyway but I only learned it briefly and the thing is as much I stopped taking drugs my life improved radically in a number of ways I became successful in my country I got a bunch of TV shows and became quite celebrated in fact one might say it really took off like a rocket and there was a moment of real glory don't you remember Megan wasn't there a bit when you first started to be successful it's like oh my god it's working I'm successful people see me a world that's

continually saying no is now just saying yes yes yes you can host these awards you can have a book

deal you can have your own shows it was so amazing when that happened but I think probably because

of what I would now call a sort of false idolatry I easily or cross addiction might be an easier term I drifted into just the worship factor that a tendency to worship really drifted into the availability of you know casual encounters I mean can you describe it because when you you write about it the book you're very open about these addictions and the sex addiction details like by the way we're speaking with a rustle brand and the book is how to become a Christian in seven days

you you put it out there and I one of my questions was like with the the number of women who you openly talk about having interludes with at a time in a day several times a day like this is all before you were young but like there was no little blue pill like how does a man even keep up at that level I have this real appetite for why recognize now is God and that's not unique to me

“I think anyone that is an addict and this is how the 12th that program describes it Megan”

really they are looking for God we are all looking for God we were made for God and by God we were made to love God now if you live in a culture and know a world that denies the existence of God I personally was trying to defibrillate the dead and inner world into life through chemicals at first and then you know sex is a gift and sex used appropriately is a marvelous and wonderful and holy experience but sex in the hands of an idiot is a sort of a dangerous tool so how I did

it is I've got a lot of energy I've got a lot of energy so we can see that and a lot of gifts

and but those gifts must always be martial to the service of the highest good and if you don't

know that and you use it essentially for self indulgence you will get in as it turns out very very serious trouble you will get in very serious trouble and you will hurt a lot of people while just the other day in a 12 step environment I had someone say that when you drink a bottle of Jack Daniels the bottle that once you put it down doesn't have any feelings about it when you start to do stuff like that in other areas of behavioral addiction obviously sex is what I'm referring

to then you will create in a lot of ill will have you ever try to put a number on the number of women who have been in their fox skills and I'm curious what the fox skills are here in a number I guess that well all right let's think about this mathematically there was a sort of period between like

“you know I think I became sort of attractive in the late 90s and I think that that attractiveness”

endured to possibly in 2015 let's say I Megan we are talking very high numbers we're talking

of sexual contact then it would be the thousand thousand thousand thousand it was my main job

“I was very very devout it was very foolish in the henshub I couldn't even feel a little small”

curling at the corner of the room even as a person in the space in trial in octaves so it was like yes I did very well that's still not learned a little bit I have learned the lesson I've learned the lesson lord I have learned the lesson yes more talking about sex here we're now talking about sexual assault which is very different but it's still sex is sacred sex is sacred and pornography de-sacralizes sex promiscuity de-sacralizes sex making sex the apex of your identity whether you're

a heterosexual or not it de-sacralizes sex it's a holy power that I misused so you write you're going to deep dive on your sexual escapades in the book and um I'm just going to read a little bit from it again it's called how to become a Christian in seven days with Russell brand I had sex with multiple women often at the same time most days for years it was normal to have three ways and four ways and for women who had not met prior to fold into one flesh in my bed

I happened every day here are a few occasions that stand out that will help you understand the levels

of excess the sheer abundance and implausibility the pointlessness of coercion meaning you never

had to nor did coerc anybody to do this with you um as well as the hollow sadness that is an

“inevitable accompaniment to all forms of addiction and sin such an important point the the hollow”

sadness you write after a transatlantic flight from L.A. I invited the whole female flight crew back to my house they came they drank we all messed around some of them were married or in relationships I felt like an alchemist I could create ecstasy out of mundanity when I would tell my male friends these stories especially older married ones I felt so valuable and impressive now I see things very differently after show at the Brixton Academy the female cast of a popular reality TV show

tumbleed out of the after party imported into my house up with no more fanfare or fuss then I once would have tipped the contents of an instant soup into a mug there were at least five of them a couple more sisters as if some dormant part of me were at at least some dormant as if some dormant part of me alive only in Christ already knew the man I would become the

“challenges and trials I would face and the significant fact that I myself would one day be a father”

to daughters the apparent mad and hedonic glamour was haunted by something I couldn't understand so this is a fascinating picture because this is the kind of stuff that everybody dreams a famous man a successful actor host comedian rock star whatever life will look like but they don't acknowledge that second piece of it that it it actually is the same as doing heroin

or being an alcoholic that there's a downside of shame discussed and never being able to

fill the thing you're trying to fill inside of yourself yes if God wants you and God loves you and God does then you will fill this presence even at times where you think it unlikely and that I suppose is in my book because I recollect it so clearly that it seemed on the surface like everything you would want in the most ridiculous male fantasy that you can be offered multiple attractive women simultaneously you as the adored center and focus and in the midst of that I sensed

something kind of a bit ike and death like and obviously in retrospect as I've said I'll I see what that is now what you are creating for yourself and for other people is suffering and you are making yourself into this is what I understand it as now Megan is making yourself a kind of God gifted as I have been with the ability to connect I could help a lot of people I could help people but I didn't recognize that or see that I have an opportunity to be of real value to live a life

of actual meaning of meaning these things are man I was once at a 12-step meeting in New Orleans and I was famous then I guess and this guy who like had his great beard he was older and kind of scruffy and dirty but solid look like a sailor or something wearing like a sailor's hat he was sort of big and it was in New Orleans that I got arrested on that movie even man it's been so crazy this life he said fame celebrity those things those are crumbs I want to be at the banquet

and just yesterday I was reading in the gospel of Matthew the banquet is what we've been invited to we are able to be participants in the glory of all creation and our challenges this all of us will be like Christ tempted by the devil we will be offered the world have the world be in charge have big contracts be a star be fantastic have women in view and men want you or whatever is correct for your gender but if you choose that path you will end up in a hollow empty barrenness

and maybe even worse maybe you won't be blessed as I have been to see the way out of there

clear correction and a very obvious illustration that I've been blessed with I've got an amazing wife

that just loves me I've got really really beautiful children I've got amazing friends now when that voice and that appetite that craving that longing which I would see kind of as demonic now when I feel it I give it to the cross I give it to him if I'm smart enough you're on alert enough you're on the wake enough too I don't ever want to go back there and I am sad but grateful to have been a participant in a culture that amplifies and advocates for that way of life continually

because even though we have been post me to now and we've seen lots of statues real and figurative pulled down I think a lot of young men but don't even observe traditional media any more but like I will you know participate in an online media figures and there are a lot of them very male oriented social media figures will still think that my identity is if I can sleep with lots of women if I can have fast cars if I can dominate and control but this empire of domination and

control it uses us as it's fuel it's for a minute it'll tell us we're beautiful but when it's finished with us it will spit us out well we have the opportunity to love someone who loves us and how broken us in our vulnerability in my ineptitude in my frailty in my inability to continually be the man that I'd like to be like to not be a good enough dad to not be a good enough husband why would I not participate in that and participate along with other people in that why would I

follow this empire of false idolatry and lies where every single hero that it erects eventually

“inevitably tumbled and falls because that's what empires do when what we have access to is eternity”

that which is outside of time we will go at best gracefully to our graves but the grave is coming with its hungry mouth when we get there let's go their hand in hand together into eternity not having tried to create the simulate crime of permanent here permanent idols and skyscrapers and self-made icons scratched out with our own clumsy hands let me ask you something that Bill Mar ses

about something he says he never married and he says it's because he didn't want to have to

give up lust that he enjoys lust too much as somebody who's been on both sides of this and is currently in a loving marriage which does I hate to tell you Bill include lust it's not like the first day it's not like the first year but it develops into something else what do you think he's missing? What Bill Mar with all due respect him there is missing and living through is a self-perpetuated adolescence, clinging to some injury or wound I would imagine

that occurred around the time when you know I'd speak as someone who belatedly received these lessons what Bill Mar is missing is intimacy you can achieve through a promiscuity a kind of false intimacy that sort of feel kind of wonderful sometimes particularly with the charge of sexuality around it especially the whole flake room there oh man you've got this nuts coming at you from every direction can I get you a call? That's what she said but what you are missing out on is true

intimacy you are eating the crumbs that which is fallen from the table the appearance of something instead of the thing itself I actually really love Bill Mar I wrink he's a ability to show a couple of times and I think he's really really lovely person and I reckon that what Bill Mar what I would pray for Bill Mar is the ability for him to love like the one day we will he'll be a behill and here Bill Mar say man I don't know what I was afraid of yeah my father I

have a wife I love this is amazing right why did I wait so long yeah I don't know if he's capable

he doesn't strike me as though he's who's capable he's in a very different place you have to

“arrest yourself you have to participate in your own delusion we all of us hold the key to the way out”

I recognise that I did I didn't have to like know how all of us are men to say like oh I don't regret anything because I wouldn't be the person I am and that is one perspective that's available but obviously for me I'm like wow I wish I'd hurt all of these people oh so I knew my wife when I was when she was 19 I was 30 around to like in a tunnel of these things I saw kicking off I'm gonna marry her I could have eight kids and twenty years in I could have more time with her

but you know that's not really true because had the you of that year married her or that year you wouldn't have produced the same kids you wouldn't have been the same people you wouldn't have been as good parents like I do think that kind of stuff is meant to be when it happens yeah there's there's zero point lamenting timing on things like a great relationship it's like it came when it came because you were ready for it you manifested it when you were ready for it okay let's

“let's talk about the young girl because that's what that one's just bothering me how is it that”

you had a relationship with a 16 year old girl all right I'll give you some stories because some of this stuff pertains to ongoing legal situations that have to out of respect for the judicial process and everybody involved I don't want to get you a more troubled than I'm ready facing

exists is to protect people children who can't make a decision so if the age of consent is 18 then don't have sex with someone that's 16 if the age of sex is 16 don't have sex with someone that's 15 that's the law I'm talking about the law if you're a first year old man and you're really famous I now know don't have sex with anybody at all because you are over in doubt and empowered in ways

that make the match unlikely to be fair what I would say is I did I never push on for young

girls you know that's not my thing that's not my thing that's just like you know that it's just reading up like it's like a troll use of your history it's not like it just now it's not a common three theme that keeps going on I really liked all the women black women white women thin women fat women I love it's this perverted love actually it's like a it's like oh my god you're so and also it was sincere the reason that I was sleeping with lots of people I think is because I see

beauty I see it I see the beauty I'm not like I'm just going to tell this ugly cow I mean I love you I love you it feels very very real so for me like the age of consent would be something I'd be very alert to and would check are you well I'm also by the way I'm not like yeah it's not a kink of mine to like you know if anything it would be oh no man really like the seniors yeah anything do you know what I mean I know that was the thing when I was young when I was really little

I just grew up with my mum just that only I'm the only sound of a single mum the lady from the house opposite jocy who are just was on the phone with with my mum was with her they're like

“80 like my mum's 80 now so I think jocy might be able to have my mum and like I remember the”

when I wrote my first book I'd wrote in it written in my book should know the tenses as an author

like a darkwood never make them a steak like that I'd written about jocy right and she would have

been like you know she was a single mum herself and she went time her water her hot water won't work in at the house and I was about seven years old and like I went and played with my toys in the bathroom she'd said come use your kind of a bath at your house babbs my mum because uh the hot water was not working at mine and I heard that phone call and I went and like took all my toys into the bathroom and like played in there and like when Bart was jocy came my mum went um hey

Russell get out there jocy's having a bath and so I'll eat that man he's only a little boy at all haha the whole thing's a scheme so I look at her for a cougar I found her like that you know you see obviously nothing happened I sat there playing with like my farm yard animals and toys like any innocent normal troll but what I want to tell you is that I just had an enormous appetite and craving for sexual ink where do you go with it if you're like looking for looking for

something of meaning and feel like look I started with weed then I ended up on heroin I start with like sleeping with one person at a time and I wish I had to have the comments it's the fall in love and to be a bit more and by the way sometimes I was I keep telling people this but like because I'm well when I was touring doing like crazy the ass world tours in a reaners and like I'm telling you it's like people friend women friend they're underwear at me and all that kind of

stuff and people get wristbands to come backstage it was unbelievable remember I wasn't like captain of the just a football team at school right I was like a nervous weird kid like you know like my usual so like when that happened I was very um or like you're just like a like a fish troll or like just some open hold as everything falling into this open hole so so I'm not like you know hey gonna check your idea what about you have you got any psychological problems

were you abused as a kid was that really well you know I have that level of awareness now that I can

“see where people's injury are I really sense it now but I wasn't I think care I'd been stupid”

but I do remember actually in Australia uh like encountering a young woman and they're being anatomical evidence of her lack of experience and saying to her in that situation oh actually hey like this probably isn't a good way for you to have sex for the first time so it wasn't like an

inner, unalert you know like I'm explaining in the book he's always there he's watching you

and also I'm a 12 step person that means as a 12 step person that means you do an inventory with your sponsor where you where you tell them absolutely everything if you're not entirely honest you do not receive the benefits confession truth is the foundation of everything I would be lying to myself if I lied to you I mean we're on you know where it's been filmed and broadcast and stuff like that and I'm not stupid but what I'm saying is but I've never done anything where I've manipulated consent

but I've manipulated consent by conducting it it's a kind of energy energy conduction but bypassing consent is when you make people do things they don't want to do not make things do thing make people do things they wouldn't normally do that is too young shouldn't sleep with is anyone really younger than you and if I'd had more I mean I wouldn't go I don't know time travel back and be a more

“efficient woman I think 14 years difference is in itself scandalous it's just given the age she was”

it was but you know she were 25 and you were 39 I don't think people would be looking at that you know it's yeah it is young but I don't know if you remember from your own adolescence because I do that there were some young women like you know girls you you know call them girls like there were

would pull up in cars outside the school I was just at my normal comprehensive that means regular state school you know when all the girls in your year go out listen you don't have to tell I was called a pedophile enabler because I said there's a difference between 15 year olds and five year olds when we were talking about what Jeffrey Epstein is and really the point I was making was that the term pedophile only applies to somebody who likes prepubescent girls which is a very

different thing than liking women who are in their you know late teens and then you get in the 15 16 range and it depends it's I guess the law is the law I'm in a legal situation morally it's course it's wrong it's morally but one but I mean there are 15 and 16 year old girls who are having sex with 18 and 17 year old boys like they're it's that like the age difference there does feel exploitative and shocking yes it like 15 year old 16 year old kids having sex with each

ever is none of my business me as a third year old I had no business having consent for sex

with women that were just past girls that were just over the age of consent and I wasn't really it wasn't like my thing you know I mean yeah yeah this one that one this one for when you

“sought so I think her her fake name is Alice I don't know if that's her real from the documentary”

shoot she went on camera actually it wasn't they were all actors I believe all of the women like that's some more actors some more like the adult version I thought that we had the actual version of Alice I don't know actually yes but did you were you shocked to see that she was speaking out about it in a way that painted it as not consensual yes because yes of course actually yes yes absolutely I if I'm again with a respect to ongoing judicial proceedings this is a person

that outside of this difficult matter where I to encounter her I would greet her as a person that I held in very high regard did you and she did you feel like it ended well did you feel like you had a good you know you got out of it well and you you two were in a good place yes so you were stunned yes yes yes hmm is there any way I had to take a break in a minute here but is there any way do you think Russell like out of these criminal charges do you

“have you been able to speak to any of these women to try to find out one-on-one I think about”

that sometimes and I would like to I would like to because there's I would I wish I pray that there were a way that I could as I can imagine you can travel for witnessed tampering at this point I guess right it's not legally permissible but yeah like I recognize that people feel that they have been wrong and I understand why they would feel like they have been wrong but you know like these it's a sort of an odd philosophical device to use your own children but like I've

daughters a seven babies but they presumably I imagine from the way you know there's a potential that they will find a certain type of man appealing when they grow up based on the way that they're being raised and who their primary male role model is there will be a very very strong difference in my mind were one of my beloved daughters to sleep with the charismatic wild womanizer then if they were to be violated by rapist in one case I would be sad about it and go well there's

“the life is full of lessons kid and in the other one we've got a big frustration yeah”

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you're going to love it and Russell is unsparing of himself which you can hear him do here on this set as

well so i'll move on from the women thing and in one minute but i just i want to ask you about one of the person who is featured in the documentary because i think her story illustrates how this whole thing is a lot more complicated than it may look to the outside world now this woman's name is Nadia and she's featured in this British documentary called in plain sight which details and alleged rape

“that's what she says the problem of Nadia is and in this i'm going to play sound by from it”

oh wow it's played it's played by an actress to your point or see it's not whoever Nadia actually is this is not the actual Nadia it's some woman claiming i have this relationship with Russell and this is the terrible thing that happened to me and we'll go through it in just a couple of details but here it is i think it's sat too and he's like please calm just come and cuddle with me so then i gave in he comes running out of the bedroom naked he came at me with kisses and stuff

which was kind of fun and then it wasn't that fun when i couldn't move or i knew what he wanted for me he pushed me up against the wall i'm like no that's not happening we're not doing that and at this point he's grabbing at my my underwear pulling it to the side

“i'm telling him to get off me and he won't get off and he has that glaze looking as i again”

i was very distraught trying to get out of the house with him being so much taller than me like holding me up against the wall pushing himself in me i couldn't move

and he finally comes and gets off of me and i push him away he blocks the door he's like

are you okay i'm like no i'm not okay get away from me and he's like well let's calm down again that was an actress reporting to be this woman based on this woman's testimonial of her relationship with you she also claims that there was a text message after the fact between the two of you where you sent her a text message at 329 a.m. i'm sorry that was crazy and selfish i hope you can forgive me i know that you're a lovely person x

that you tried phoning her at 3.51 a.m. but the call went unanswered and she says later in that same day she went with a friend who a rape treatment center at UCLA Santa Monica medical center she did not go to the police and then she saw therapist and they saw therapy notes from this rape treatment center where she had those so that's her story then then you find out a little bit more in that she says in this text to you allegedly this is reported later by the mirror

Russell when a girl says no it means no do i have to go and get myself tested last time you asked me condom or no condom when i say condom that doesn't mean it's optional you don't have the best reputation and you responded um saying i pride myself and being safe trying to make the right decisions obviously this is a bad one i'm so disappointed in that you wrote you don't need to get tested i will make this up to you somehow with live with love and kindness not my original

idea which was more sex you're being funny here so this whole text exchange is kind of illuminating to me and i wonder because this is somebody who claims she was in a relationship with you she had had consensual sex with you that particular night she did not want to have sex with you and that you forced yourself upon her when you watch that and when you you see that what's your reaction to it well i must say magnet makes me uncomfortable the totally the truth because

“as i've said even whilst i believe that the challenge that i face is one of the misuse”

of being in a position where lots of people had sex with me just to even see iterate it all be it by an actor in a documentary which i think had an agenda i thought that's my opinion about the genre is a journalistically sound to use an actor like that but that's another problem and also to shoot an actor in silhouette as well if it is an actor if it's an actor you don't need to shoot them in silhouette that shows that there's an intention and the type of music being

used but i suppose i look i'm here in of course i like sort of the thing about what's my motivation even on coming on your show what's my motivation am i falling again into the trap of one in

stuff one in a be successful one in a be powerful one in a heavy influence one in to get out

was consensual and therefore non-criminal is definitely immoral and i suppose my job as a

follower of Jesus is to focus on how i can follow him more closely and i don't really make and get a lot of delight out of going that person said this but actually that although those things are will be very important in the trial that i'm facing because that's the nature of it i'm being put into a criminal situation you know that's the nature of what i'm facing and do know that i'm like will be literally in like a like a glass box like Hannibal Lecter

like in the in the in the pre trial one so like to meet suit it's i'm in a sense trying to manage this in a number of different fields in the what in the judicial and legal one is a matter of

of course demonstrating that the encounters that i had were consensual in a public relations

“field which is I suppose what i mean now i think i'd have to take the opportunity to say that i'm”

not saying so what these women are lying they wanted money who cares if they i'm not like that's not my position my position is yes i recognize that my conduct has caused harm and pain in in a in a PR situation like being on the megan kelly show my i think my role and my job is to make you're very clear to people that that behaviour as i describe it was not behaviour that i would endorse but it's not non-consensual or coercive behaviour however people obviously plainly as we just

saw there it will be a play by an actor they'll hurt by an encounter by me and so i've obviously got some work to do somewhere so what level of stress are you at about this criminal trial all right so sometimes it's unbelievable sometimes it's kind of unbelievable sometimes i can't sometimes i think if this can happen then anything can happen if look when i was coming in December october i think it's october the seventh the trial in the united kingdom and so it's sort of you know it's coming

up close and i've got like a normal family i've got young children and all that kind of stuff so i'm living a normal life and working and sort of on part of my job is public facing and i'm assessing that and what contribution can i make and how is it impeded me and impaired me and slowed me down what are the positive things that have come from it like certainly it's been very very very humbling and confronts i i already recognized that sexual addiction was wrong i've already recognised that is

a married man or anyone in a committed relationship i suppose you've got to be straight and faithful

“all of those lessons i'd kind of learned but i believe in god so all things are from god”

this is from god yeah and i don't really like it very much i mean and it is extremely stressful but because of my faith in god when i feel frightened and i sometimes do what i try to do is recognise that he is a great and loving god and that he will use this in some way and honest slightly less mystical playing i recognise that i have some serious immense to make and perhaps by god's grace and opportunity to put right the wrongs i've done but i have to tell the truth i

can't put right wrongs i haven't done only the things that i've done and i've been i was clear about those things at the time because making one of doing this i felt on a talk show or if like you know i'm aware of attractive women i'm not blind i can see attractive and when i was like a single person i'm like assessment are you married yes okay in a problem unless you're married and you've got an open married right fair enough what about you you're not like some of those later tenants right

like so i was an open channel but for the for the wrong frequency and the wrong energy what is it like now it's a very very pressurizing and as a Christian i recognise that pressure can be very refining very refining so i try to keep my mind and my prayers on the people involved in this that of our hurt and that need resolution and justice i'm trying to be aware of that i'm trying to be selfish i'm trying to pay attention to for everyone participating in this is doing

their best because it doesn't make you angry the anger i've never felt i understand the position

look in that when me too happened in 2015 you know i was like wow i've slept with lots and lots of women i wonder if during this moment i'm gonna face some allegations and that did not happen

“because i think some people it seemed of facing allegations that maybe it looked like”

concentral activity reef right again that's one of the things that's very you know suspicious about the allegations against you is that no one did come forward then it wasn't until you got very outspoken in your more right wing views that suddenly channel four thought it would be a great time to do a hit piece on Russell brand and found some women i mean it'd be the equivalent

"do ever have anything that didn't feel 100% you know it's just when you go to a man who's been as exposed as you have like a rockstar as you were describing if you really really really lift up every sheet and kick every tire you may find some women who are unhappy about their experiences i'm not diminishing them maybe their true whatever will find out the trial but maybe they're not true and maybe this did come up because there was a new agenda when it came to your name and it was

“much more interesting to silence you and smear you and honestly Russell like i i'm not diminishing”

anybody's story i don't know what happened but i can relate to this not to some extent i just i have seen my own myself get attacked by different groups over the years when you fly too close to the sun or when you're on over an issue that's this particular group's favorite issue and they need you to say it in a different way or a different way that i now am very suspicious about like massive harms that come to people when they speak out on a particular issue or in a particular way

it happens over and over and over yes it is interesting one of the outside of my own experience where of course by definition i can't be objective because i am the subject of it i do try to

imagine that the way that power operates these days is to first decide an outcome this is the outcome

we want how do we get to that outcome we need these resources we need control of social media like when there's a spite of storage for example saying we're really concerned that young people using their social media are getting too much access to pornography either the government and the state are really concerned about the moral well-being and purity of our youngsters or they're

“looking for a way to legitimize some measures and control that they've liked to assert that's why”

i think the pandemic period that many of us have sort of you know everyone wants to just get me their lives and no one wants to look back over their shoulders it's so depressing it's interesting it's interesting but what were the results of the pandemic i think when we look at you know keep owner i think is the phrase you know that in who benefits when we look at what happened who benefited whether it's sort of something that's personal or whether it's something that's larger and more macro then it

helps us to understand clearly what's required i think that the agenda right now is to create a great deal of social unrest and cultural confusion people arguing and quarreling about identity and ideology a kind of a tower of babel moment where everybody is in a mad conflict a cacophony of argument in this cacophony of argument i think there will be an attempt to assert centralized control

“increasing centralized control that is not national but international and i think the pandemic”

whether deliberately or not was a opportunity to pilot levels of control what are the problems you face if you tell people everyone's got to get in their house how do they respond to it how much trust do the media have these those who trust CNN MSNBC Fox whoever and i think they learned a great deal and i would be very surprised if we didn't see in the coming years attempt to shut down anybody who has a meaningful dissenting voice if you have a meaningful dissenting voice

it's quite likely that you will be subject to attacks 100% the money people will look at the what were your taxes and the way they'll look at your sexual history they will do whatever they can and you know if there's nothing else they can do it's it seems that sometimes very convenient people are assassinated people that it's beneficial to not have around well you made an interesting point and talk are you made it you know if she's facetiously but you know there was obviously

an element of are we on a something in the discussion about the loan gunmen i never heard

somebody say it the way you said it like wow it's really interesting how these loan gunmen are out there assassinating all these really prominent important figures you know if you were a sent if you were a government who really wanted to get rid of a problematic person you'd be really smart to partner with one of these loan gunmen like this basically anybody you said it were particularly the net but i like that that that was more persuasive to me than any conspiracy

theory in quotes i've heard on any of the assassinations is like if you are a government or a government agency or an underworld related entity and you want to take out somebody really famous wouldn't it make sense to do it that way as opposed to just sending your super secret sniper

into the crowd and taking him out yes are you a teenager with no social media imprint who's never

been on any of these sites are you despairing and a loss then you could be alone 100 one an hundred loan gunmen maybe you could be a tool of the state i was just thinking then that the perhaps what's important is for us to recognize that everyone is broken and any of us that have invested in our hope in some political figure or cultural figure in the end disappointment is what's

might be important is to look at who we can forgive and who we can move towards in good faith because

“i think we're doing their work for them when i say they i mean the true power the empire we're”

doing their work for them when we quarrel with one another when the chat is full of in intermittently anti-semitism islamophobia hatred loathing i regard it as a kind of frequency once you are on that frequency of hatred and condemnation they've already got you you've been as we would say in the UK lifetime your partition you're no good you're useless now when you remain in faith and in grace open hearted and willing to forgive and willing to love you move into a different terrain

and different territory if we don't instantiate a different type of politics that's actually that mean ironically the system that would work rather well is democracy if we do not use the technology that we have right now that's in my country being used for facial recognition technology that's just been litigated they're now going to have facial recognition technology cameras all across the UK many people are concerned that in the United Kingdom you're very likely to be arrested

“we have more arrests than any other nation yeah for social media post there's an attempt to get”

digital ID mandate it that has been temporarily rescinded because there was so much public resistance which optimistically suggests that if we are willing to unite in a line we can oppose this technological feudalism that seems to be coming down the line what terrifies me Megan is that the the enemy the empire deal only in counterfeits instead of unity they will have totalitarianism instead of intercommunication they will have mass surveillance all of our communications observed

and controlled all of our information pre-chued any opinion that's not convenient to the empire or to the state passed off ignored and censored I really believe that we are at a pivotal moment I think everybody knows that I don't want to indulge that kind of fin-de-seekler narcissism that every generation feels we're the ones that will experience the Armageddon we're the ones that will experience the apocalypse surely we will but then the wake of COVID why wouldn't we be

asking those questions I mean we just had our president it's sent out a post saying no I think I'm willing to sacrifice my my liberties my civil liberties in order to have the government have this control it's fine when in the context of these phyzoorns and the phyzocourt and this is something that we on the right cheered post 9/11 you know these foreign intelligence

“surveillance acts these these warns that you can get to you need to access to millions of people's”

metadata from their phones in the way the government justified it was yes some Americans may get swept up in our search for spy communications or terrorist communications but it's we're not after them we're after the bad guys and it's not like we're pulling you know making Kelly's

text and reading them we're basically just going to see her metadata in the field of lots of

metadata and we accepted that post post 9/11 because we were scared to shitless it was we I mean we really had been attacked 3,000 of our fellow Americans were killed in the most brutal way possible so we sacrificed a lot of our core beliefs back then but it's been 25 years since 9/11 and to pretend that we still need this tool for the terrorists all right like what to prevent that from happening is bullshit that's that's for us and there should be objections by the

American public but wait I want to circle back you went back to policy in our government said I just want to stand something about you because I read I don't know where I read it but your wife said to you or maybe maybe gave you a written um was it a song a verse with a Bible about when we get persecuted we feel great joy something to that effect yes that's from James one now I don't paint a picture of my wife as a devout Christian she's very much a lapse Catholic her

family a father in particular is a very dedicated Catholic but my wife you know if anyone's suffering is a result of my Christianity it's my wife and if anyone would know if it were as a performance it would be my wife and especially did very beautifully when I was going back to for one of the preliminary hearings prior to my trial made this beautiful painting of a magnolia and a verse from James first in the New Testament of James's left the first chapter is we consider it great joy

when we face trials of any kind what would be an invite yes I would love that so I I didn't do that

you're concerned I always always say this I say this to myself I say to my staff I say to young

people when I speak to them a college campus is I confess it's it's a take on something I first heard many many moons ago from Oprah Winfrey back when we liked her um but it was a good piece of advice and it was whenever something comes your way that's hugely negative or a massive challenge your first response should be thank you thank you because how do we grow how do we evolve as human beings how do we become you know people with superhero muscles emotional muscles unless that stuff

weak unprepared for some massive crisis that may be coming down the line each one of these that

does get thrown to you as long as you don't even have to win I mean I'm not talking about like okay you go you go to prison for ten years that's not that's tough but my point is if you just keep going if you just handle it if you don't stay in the fetal position in your bed it's already a win you've already grown it's huge opportunity to evolve as a human and the bigger the challenge the bigger the fear the bigger the opportunity yes so I love what you wrote yeah that was a

she didn't write it originally but I love it what she stitched yeah absolutely it is incredibly encouraging and precisely the wife that I'm I deserve what I did that may be it I don't deserve

“you must serve her you must serve her man thank god you wouldn't you wouldn't have her if you didn't”

you know like what I think Megan where is you or me or Takah who or whoever there's this sense that in the end the technology that meant that you don't have to work for Fox no more no you can't work for serious if you want to and you can do partnerships that they don't work for serious the lessons I showed the brokerage the power of the brokers has been diminished that's the real trend that's significant the in information has been decentralized so Eva put the

political systems will have to learn to evolve and adapt and reflect this decentralization or perversely they will constrict and try to legitimize more and more centralization and authoritarianism and a kind of technological feudalism a centralized control it's pretty clear that they've taken the latter path I think most people were temporarily excited about Macanationalism because it's seen like in the powerful and as I say it is in Craig figure of Donald Trump there was at least a

kind of stumbling block and maybe even a bullverk against advanced in global imperialism we're using the idea of care and protection more and more control was being asserted we've got

“you have to sign this in order to do that we need you to carry this we're going to eventually”

plant a chip under your skin all those things that will once the preserve of the conspiracy theorists are advancing into everyday life think about what you thought about what David Eich and Alex Jones was saying in the '90s and how you revered the New York Times and BBC well which direction is that needle moving in as we are there pedophile rings is there a cultist power can we trust the

mainstream narrative on the most important issues whether it's wars or assassinations what I believe

they fear most of all is that this ability to instantaneously communicate will become politicized that ultimately people could have decentralized communities and localized politics that you would have minimal government minimal intervention maximum ability to run your community like the army if you wanted or like gay people if you wanted or like Muslims if you wanted that you don't need the intervention of a global bureaucracy anymore um I wanted to read this to you because you mentioned

Alex Jones so he and I have a very interesting history together but I have to tell you even even at our worst in terms of our fighting I always said he's been right about so much right we had our big what did you attack you sometimes or did you attack you know he never attacked me it was you did do an attack I went I can definitely do an attack but I went to interview him while I was in MBC to do like an in-depth profile on him and it was not long after he had said that the new

town families made up the the murder of their children so you know he was like very very hot potato to touch at the time but I thought it'd be an interesting profile and he had moved off of that so I kind of thought we were just going to do a profile and Alex Jones and we would touch on that but it wouldn't be the theme of the piece because he was interesting and he I knew he had gotten a lot right anyway we went there and he kept doubling down on the sandy hook thing which

turned the whole piece into something that did look more like a hit piece because of course I had to get contentious with him because that's insane and wrong and it wasn't made up those kids were killed so anyway then he taped me he released it to it just was like it was crazy crazy ass shit time in my life but having said all that it's water under the bridge and I've been watching

“what Alex Jones has been doing lately and I actually really appreciate it and I think he's been”

doing great shows and his messaging around the whole Israel thing has been must see and I mean like like I said from the beginning he's been right about a lot just today there was a there was a big piece of news last night or if you saw a cash per tell announced that the Southern Poverty Law Center the SPLC which is supposed to be this great group that protects you know America from racism

and all the isms like they'll be the first to call you out if you're a terrible person so that

everybody knows Russell's Terrible Megan's Terrible stay away they're this or that the other

that's how it's been for years that they have been paying paying members of the Ku Klux clan

“of the Aryan brotherhood to go infiltrate they say it's oh it's just infiltrate you know we're”

just they're like inside sources we didn't create them to we didn't pay them to create the event just to

infiltrate uh that's not what the indictment says and they're and they've been exposed now as basically

paying the very people they then look at their donors and say pay me to protect you from that person I'm paying I'm going to use your money to pay him to cause hell including in Charlottesville Virginia at the unite the right rally that would just cause a massive headache for President Trump from the beginning of his first term where he said because there were skinheads there but there were also people who were just pissed off that we were pulling down statues of like Confederate generals

or just even Christopher Columbus and Trump said you know what not he said not the way to promises but outside of them there were very fine people on both sides and that quote was used against him

“unfairly for many many years and still is Alex Jones okay back in August of 2017”

Charlottesville was a false flag run by southern poverty law center operatives who hired

actress deposes Nazis fucking the guy there I could give you so many of these by Alex Jones have to we did my interview with him where did get contagious but I spent days with him he said so many things out they they they sound a crazy Russell we impact the NBC fact checking machine which is good NBC's biased but they're not reckless generally when it comes to like their reporting don't get me wrong I understand what happened with Russia gate and I'm not talking

about MSNBC I'm talking about NBC they all came back true everybody's like he's alluded to he says the frogs are turning gay and they're turning transgender like he said not case true true true true true it was

amazing this Sandy hook stuff was very very wrong and untrue must be said again and any event

he's on the list right like he's been of course due to his own behavior and due to just being right about a lot of the stuff that they don't want out there they've otherwise him they've done a detacher they're in the process of trying to do it to me I'm a lot harder because I don't have the conspiratorial gene that a lot of these folks have and they're conspiracy's many places have turned out to be true so it's like shame on me or for not having more of one but

I just I'm not built like that I'm a lawyer I'm a linear thinker very very fact based you know I don't believe anything until it's really been proven to me with like facts I can hold but they're trying like they're trying to do it to me right now and it's infuriating and now I'm much much more suspicious about the narratives I've been sold about many many other people right like yeah are they really crazy in conspiratorial or do they do they know something have they hit

I'm one of those soft spots that you're not allowed to touch it's very hard to stay present it's very hard to stay present and assess when you're being emotionally stimulated the whole culture is continually emotionally stimulated sexual imagery images of imagery of violence and fear these things create bewilderment and disorientation you shouldn't consume too much of it if any at all as a matter of fact over time and right now AI and the internet are creating something that's

“a kin to account to fit consciousness remember Carl Young saying that we have a collective”

unconscious is almost as if there's a repository for all of our thoughts it says that we are all participants in the holy spirit that all of us can share in God's grace and presence right now the eternity is not just beyond time but it is within and throughout time now in creating this online internet space where all consciousness is an individual's can potentially interconnect with one another we've created a kind of facsimile or counterfeit of a psyche the psyche is

generating the kind of shadow archetypes that Young himself spoke about and because we live in this materialistic secular culture we don't have the language or even the diagnostic tools to recognize these types the dark woman that will tell you truths that people don't want to hear an uncomfortable about the ranting preacher that might say things that sometimes crazy or prophetic have you looked at the prophetic language in the Bible that has a great many truths to tell us

the thought for carn the meaty solid warrior that thoughtfully pontificates and interrogates people our internet online new media space is like a new consciousness in habit it with people like you and me and Tucker that have lived for a while in the old media and then these other creatures that came from the periphery or were born within it but there are great truths that are being told

deal to offer Tucker with his background there that's sort of deep deep embedded in systems of state and power and media and journalism those outlier characters like Jones you can see that guy when he's on the 25 or 30 turning up protesting against wars telling us way before 9/11 but it was going to happen and he was going to have done it if you dismiss that person or if you condemn that person or if you try to control or shut down that person there may be reasons for it

but those reasons are not going to be for your protection and again another useful paradigm for understanding this is what was the entire mentality behind the pandemic we have to take these

“medicines and we have to go into our homes because life is sacred and we have to protect each other”

no matter what we especially have to protect the vulnerable well where else do you see them operate in and governing in order to protect the vulnerable I don't see it I see exploitation and I see control whenever they come to you saying that they want to protect you they actually want to control you and you know from your own life as a parent or someone who loves anybody that protection and control are on a spectrum I want to protect my children and part of that is

I have to control them but we are children of God we are not children of the state the state tells you there is no God the empire tells you that nothing is real if it can't be measured and then it acts like a God it wants to control every aspect of your life and like God it wants you to come innocently like little children it wants the determined right and wrong even something like wokeism and if a couple of times you've said that I'm sort of right wing and I would like to say

that I don't agree with those taxonomies or labels anymore I'm a follower of Jesus and if more

“people follow Jesus I believe the world will just naturally improve because as CS Lewis said”

if you have lawyers that are Christian they'll run the law in a Christian way if you have media commentators that Christian they'll do their job every role could do with Christ being in charge of it now what I see when you live in an antichrist world where you deny connection where you deny a eternal life where you deny the love of God where you say you're just a your insignificant set of molecules in infinite space that somehow has evolved to the point where it's even able to make

that assessment which is one of the great paradoxes of atheism of course that the instrument with which you've deduced there is no meaning is itself a result of these meaningless procedures how can you ever make such an assessment while telling us they do that that they can do that

their rationalism always leads you to the same place where it's the bombast and you know that's

face it media brilliance of Donald Trump or the kind of sterile charisma of Barack Obama it always leads to them being in control you needing them you paying too much tax you seeding too much control police forces that are disoriented and exhausted and not respected and not living in the communities that they're policing we can change all of it we can change it with ideas that people purportedly believe in already we've got people in government telling us that they're Christian

let's see the Christianity we've got to go back to that let's do it and people running every country in the world more or less let's say they believe in democracy democracy if it doesn't mean that we govern in accordance with the will of the people means nothing what democracy means i have been taught these days is these institutions that we control constitute democracy we're going to put them all around the world and control them there right we could have democracy the technology

exists i mean looks we thought we we thought we were getting that we elect to drop and we thought that did you yeah i did i don't know i'm maybe i'm naive i'm old but i'm naive i don't i thought the Trump really meant it when he promised about the system he promised he couldn't be bought

he was bought i'm like the the mariam adults in two hundred fifty million dollars bought

him on iran in his real and she he's doing exactly what she wanted him to do he was manipulated by net nyahu she's thrilled this is not what his base wanted and it's unfortunate i didn't think Trump could be bought i really believed that he couldn't it's usually disappointing and i feel as many do which is it's a betrayal um a lot of my audience disagrees with me and i understand

“their POV tale but um that's how i feel uh and Trump what do you think they love about Trump”

still once the migration from america first politics becomes evident what it what is it the charisma the figure because what i look about him is his energy i was like Trump was coming into a set when i from a twenty fifteen i was like this guy's crazy that's ridiculous it's not possible

but the second time i liked it the the pat the central powers didn't get what they wanted i liked

that same as with brexit i don't care about brexit you not you i don't care about bad men but what i like is when you see the people not behave as they're supposed to i love that i mean what is it this time what's happened mega and what and people that still love him what is it that they still love there's a lot i think his sense of humor is very endearing is very charming and you know

of power that he has uh i think the amount of shit that's been thrown at him and his unwillingness

“to stay down you know he just gets back up no matter what people do to him no i mean just try to”

put him in jail multiple times they tried to ruin his family they tried to kill him you know i mean so much as happened to him and he just keeps going like you just cannot stand him down and that's very admirable for most of his time in the public eye he has had all the right enemies you know he's stood up against the the race dogma the trans dogma the xenophobic dogma about having a southern border in a way that was very admirable and we needed desperately because we were losing

those wars you know the woke thing was taking over in every department with our children with our lives that our employment and Trump was the bulwark against it saying hell no and he had this sheer strength and power to turn it all around he really did like you know it was like the parting of the seas like i will just make this happen despite all odds with my immense power um so all of that has been you know just inspirational inspirational i think many of us just like

Trump you know we like his personality but then the the other truth of it is there are aspects of his personality which are obviously not good and that we've mostly just chosen to overlook you know he's not a moral man he's obviously not the greatest husband in the world um and he's extremely petty and the thin skin extremely petty and thin skin and what we're seeing right now is he's turning on his most loyal supporters because they don't support this war and and getting in bed

with people who fucking hate him and have hated him from the beginning and where the original

“never trumpers as though that's what magas that's what his core support should look like”

meanwhile there are many who are over here who have loved Trump for many many years we've had our skirmishes in the past tuckers had skirmishes with him i have too but who fought harder than a lot of others during the law fair against him to make sure people knew that it was bullshit stood up for him during the actual electoral contest to make sure people understood what was at stake and why he had to be the choice who he just you know there's no loyal team return ever

from trump ever if you have a principal disagreement with something he does you're authorized you're the enemy and at this particular moment he's alienating so many of his core supporters biggest believers and boosters and running to people who have not been able to stand him for 10 years like a mark live in or a bench appear who actively was against trump he was a total disantist guy he only went on board with trump when disantist was of course toast and he had no choice but

to save his audience and get on board with the republican nominee whatever it's it's it is what it is you know it is what it is but there's still in my view a lot to like about trump it's just some of those darker demons are much more in the front view right now because he's like a cornered animal he's got no support in this Iran war he can't bring it to an end these are tough motherfuckers who are not doing what we want them to and coming to the negotiating

table and giving us what we want so we can get out and just declare it a win he sees his poll numbers

are now his latest poll approval on Iran was 30 at 30 percent I mean his job approval in like the

last five polls has been in low 30s low 30s so his leg is these on the line and you can tell he can tell so he's acting out in a very very bad way and I my prayer every night every night Russell's that he will get back on track he will reconnect with what you know the agenda that we put him in office to enact he will extract himself from this very money driven agenda by the mariam adolescence of the world you know she's purchasing what she wants and trump's being manipulated

into doing it which is infuriating and that the country or at least those of us who are on what I call team sanity can come back together and work to defeat these crazy leftist like James Carvel who wants to pack the supreme court and add Puerto Rico and DC is states right like the Republicans

will never win another national election if we do that anyway it's a very tumultuous time

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the some of the larger points I've seen sort of play out over a long time because I don't have anything like the granular detail or the genetic excellence that you've just displayed in describing that but from my sort of more vague and hazy perspective like what i've seen i've just seen people saying

“I will Trump always had those views about Iran. Trump always said that Iran. So they say that's what they say”

and other and the our Iran if they were ever to develop a nuclear capacity. Now for me those arguments

to seem in one case irrelevant these always felt it and in the second instance it's very similar to

the weapons of mass destruction argument. That's exactly. So I wonder then what is this force this power that is so sufficient that it would see it doesn't sound like we've great leaders and great people all it is just for a moment they're the temporary conductor you know Churchill very fallible broken alcoholic the pressive lunatic hoop not necessarily lunatic but for for a moment was able to carry world opposition against just the best we can understand this great force for evil.

So with Trump what do you suppose is happening do you think bought in a sort of a financial and economic way do you think compromised in the in the post-epstein world we all have to assume that it seems that people largely are or do you what is this power that is so large that it can wrangle this gargantuan male away from what seemed to be his evident trajectory to at least

“continue to consolidate a very large group of supporters. I mean I think on Israel in the Republican”

party there's never been any downside to being a hundred percent pro Israel. From the time I

started a Fox News in 2004 until only very recently in the Republican party there was no downside to saying you were 100% on team Israel should promote Israel to go visit Israel to take money from a pack that was no one in the Republican politics would ever second guess it or judge it. It's only been more recent because well I mean Gaza I mean that's that's really one of the main things it was happening on the left prior to Gaza but the violence that Israel unleashed on civilians

in Gaza just got to pass the point where you could overlook it as a friend who was like looking at your friend who got attacked viciously on 10/7 and trying to look the other way like some of these civilian casualties are going to happen it's war happened when we did wars too but like to the point where it's like she's like this is out of control like it act defended you a lot of times on the genocide claim you know tens of thousands more and more and more you're kind of undermining

“my ability to root for you never mind defend you and I think Republican started to feel it too”

young Republicans first and they started to migrate away from Israel so the stakes changed like this ardent support of Israel no longer became totally acceptable within Republican politics and the coalition that was totally pro Israel started to fracture the Democrats left the independence left the Republican started to trickle away with the youth first going entirely entirely and now the only people who really support Israel are senior citizen Republicans people basically were 65

around there or older and Republican those are the ones who are still pro Israel which includes Trump and he didn't get it like he did not have his finger on the pulse of where the party was on Israel and still I think thought he could do something that would be great for Israel which is start a war with Iran and it would be go over well that his core base would applaud him for it and I

believe him that that he never wanted Iran to have a nuclear weapon I think those statements were

sincere but more than that he promised no no new wars and no wars in the Middle East which last time I checked includes Iran and so but if Trump had looked at us and said and Tulsi Gabbard had looked at us and and Joe Kent had looked at us and the IAEA had looked at us and said Iran is within a month of getting a nuclear bomb the country would have stood behind Trump we would have believed them but that's not what happened the IAEA and Tulsi and Joe Kent they all said no they're not

they don't have the capacity to get a nuclear bomb they're nowhere close to getting a nuclear bomb and by the way those effects those strikes we did last June were very effective in dismantling

civilian needs so it wasn't true that they were about to get it if it had been the country would have gotten behind him and we would have looked at that secret escape hat from no new wars of unless Iran's about to get a nuclear weapon it wasn't true he used that that excuse that he

had always said they can't have a nuclear bomb to do what Netanyahu wanted him to do

and what Netanyahu convinced Trump to do which was to start a war with them and he did that because he was razzled dazzled by Netanyahu and believing that the IAEAEA told us going to be above ground so we're stop emissaries we can take them out they try to kill you now you can get him before he gets you it'll be like Venezuela you'll get in you'll get out you'll be a hero you'll change the whole world because a kinder gentler jet Bartlett type is going to take over

in Iran and be the new IAEA told us the sweet loving one who stands as cookies upon his ascension and and Trump listened hit hit netanyahu playing with like a fiddle he played to his hubris which is exactly how you're supposed to manipulate Trump all these world leaders know it look how they bend the knee at NATO now you know it's ridiculous all my daddy or daddy it's like

“oh my god that's what they do look at the look at the cabinet members at the cabinet meetings”

oh yeah thanks to you mister president it's like they all have to kiss his ass before they give their updates because they're they're trying to manipulate him into keeping them in their roles

and into liking them and that's all well and good never really bothered me that much I don't love it

but it doesn't but when it's working to start wars it's deeply problematic and it's how we gotten this mess with people I say Thomas Massey who would have long contested this would play out in this manner or any average pick and random democrat that would have said if well don't you remember what they're pretending is if you vote for Trump it's going to bring about global annihilation and the well all of the you know what they what they call Trump the range

but syndrome now do you say that your adjustment is as a result of action and therefore legitimate and anyone like whether it's you or Tucker or Candice or people whose opinions matter in this country are you have a responsibility to alter your perspective on the basis of new information and evidence or do you consider or is there a concession to be made to those people that prior to the the Trump point too old have you said I think we're saying you can't have this guy in charge

he didn't ask to see you know all of the stuff that they said do you feel any of that or is it like because we're right and not that you asked but like you know just to put to add this is that we all feel that politicians like Barack Obama net in Yahoo Tony Blair not we all have to some people feel that those people are kind of whether they're the sort of compromised political class that is a bit amised by the Epstein stuff or not there is some way that they are controlled

“that's what people feel they're controlled they're not really in charge there's a set of powers”

that are beyond and behind them and maybe it's a cultist maybe not difficult to corroborate who knows where do you stand on that and do you not feel what do you feel now like where do we go now because you're not gonna get another Trump you're not gonna get another populist like that yeah so like where do you put your political vigor and influence in light of all this? Well I certainly am not thinking gee we should have gone with Kamala

yeah at all I mean because as as upset as many of us are about this war Trump closed the border which saved countless lives Trump did issue a bunch of executive orders on the trans issue which saved a bunch of children's lives and in a tragedy HHS that's a good huge I mean we can do more I have to be honest like there's more the Kennedy can do standby let's leave it there I'm gonna I'm gonna take a break do an ad and we're gonna pick

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so we were talking about Trump when we last left off which is it's all we've been talking about for 10 years it's a drunk dominates every thought in every conversation but what were you trying to ask me well I'm trying to ask you anything I was successfully asking you what do you put your political enthusiasm if you've been disabused at the notion that any political leader no matter how charismatic and demigogic is gonna achieve anything ultimately that they will

ultimately be subsumed by some invisible interests they're here to stay well power what are you yeah and you were saying could it happen to like a Thomas Massey I actually don't think it could

happen to a Thomas Massey I don't think it could happen to a Rand Paul no I was using Thomas

Massey's an example of someone that sort of trod the line like that guy he's no this is my views this is my views I'm like this they're trying to buy me I'm not doing it like someone that sort of shown kind of an integrity and I mean integrity in the sense of he's remained sort of in a yeah

“alignment and I think there was a red flag on Trump because what was he at heart a dealmaker”

right he's been a dealmaker his whole life and that should have been maybe more of a red flag that he would say there's no core principles in there that are driving him on on on most issues like there are a couple like I do believe he's against illegal immigration I do believe he saw genuine concerns around the trade war and in manufacturing what China was doing I think that was sincere and and we've seen him try to do something about that

he's got sincere beliefs about doing business with other nations and how we can make America richer and I think like all that glad handing he did with his Saudi Arabia summit where he's like yeah you're going to invest in America great we're all going to get rich we don't have to like hate each other anymore I think that was sincere but that dealmaker thing is probably what got us into trouble on on the around thing so I don't know I I rarely put my faith in politicians I'm not sure I

ever really totally put it in Trump I fell in love with Trump's professional promises to us like I really believed he would close the border he would kick out the illegals that he would stop the

“trans mania I believe that he would crack down on crime to the extent you can at the federal level”

and I had to say he's lived up to those promises except for the deportations he has close the border he has done a lot on trans he has tried to do a what a president can on crime and I'm grateful for all those things but you know this other stuff Epstein Iran the economy have been pretty disastrous okay so he's like you are quite objective and what I'm listening to I'm remembering that famous moment I think in the primaries race where he said red eyes and red

blood coming out of my eyes out of my wherever so it's a kind of like that's kind of one of the most sort of memorable and like world Trump kind of pop culture moments but now from a it seems from a world verse studied in journalistic perspective you're saying that Trump isn't fulfilling he's pledged to his voter base and what I'm curious about is do the problem we have Megan

as content creators is that we can just live in the mad vississitudes of never ending conflict

and just sort of find a path through it someone telling me oh that a lot of people think that Tucker has become more expressive or condemnatory of Trump and in particular regarding foreign policy and Israel obviously there's a kind of tactical move is a strategic move is a way of garnering audience I really don't feel that either about Tucker at all or anyone actually or you know people with discussing but so but what I'm trying to ask and that's where's now I am trying to ask is like where

do you put your enthusiasm now because 28 jd vans right like where do you go okay but this time because me I can't I've revered to where I was as a kid and a smackhead a drug addict saying you can't trust any of them because there are systems that control them and it doesn't

they're global bureaucratic yeah or deeps they call that being blackpilled so where do we

as if that if we're blackpilled then and it means a follower of Jesus and your Christian hey yeah right so where do we go where do we go when it comes to advocacy what are you saying well the next the next step is relative evils oh great why I like that I know it's unfortunate but that's the next logical step because it is a binary system there one of them is going to

“ascend to power and you have to choose the lesser of two evils that's really what it's always”

been about you know I mean even with Trump you know he asked me to come speak for him and and you go to that rally and sort of endorse him the night before the vote and I did wrestle with it but something inside of me told me you have to do it because I knew I knew we'd been far were a shape of Kamala Harris want she could not win there was just absolutely no way we could

allow that so it wasn't like I I love an adore Trump you know personally he and I have always

had a friction between us you know it's it's it's been very complicated between us for many many years which is good I would take complicated I'm a journalist you know it I never wanted to be his bootlicker and I never have been I never have been he and I have had ups and downs and I've been critical at times and very very promotional other times but I knew that he was better than she was yeah and I still feel like we'll have to make that choice next time around but look I

I have voted in nine presidential elections um five of them I voted Republican in four of them I voted Democrat and they have it wasn't all like the four when I was super young you know like I am a true independent I will make up my mind based on the person who gets the nomination and go from there and what is what is the country look like what are the issues that are really

“important right now but Megan from where we are now what level of independence does that”

demonstrate really when surely what we have agreed on is that there is no meaningful transaction taking place in the tension of a bipartisan system well well but take what I just said like what if your top issue is and my two top issues were the border and the trans thing and Trump did a good job on those um I'd like the deportations to to happen but like we've made so much progress on the trans thing we're not we are still cutting off the penises of little boys but now it's

often as often as we used to I did one this morning and the net the whole thing so whole messaging around it has changed the Olympics change this is all thanks to Trump the all these hospitals are stopping the procedures that's thanks to Trump so we've gotten something but compared to potential on the get-in and yielding to perhaps the supreme forces that ultimately control the world those are peric victories indeed and somebody had to somebody had to ascend so what are you going to do

like completely withdraw from the process altogether it's seed the arguments let let the Democrats

make two new states so we'll never see a Republican in national power again like no I have to

fight those battles what if they can we not generate new battles by proposing radical systemic change

“and the radical decentralization of political power I'm asking you this can you have to get”

really two party system yeah the the first thing you'd have to do is get rid of the two party primary system cool to through that you know what why are people not acknowledging that if the technology exists for all of us to carry digital ID essentially 70% of the global population to get vaccinated overnight for a may of a made up or potentially not as threatening as it was presented disease then why don't we collectively particularly people that have extraordinary sway and indeed if you

are about to face extraordinary attacks it's precisely as a result of the influence and impact you can have why I'm curious genuinely it's a real question because I'm trying to understand it myself what if these voices in independent media became overtly and deliberately active in politics doesn't that have the extraordinary um south of resolving these cultural issues instantly i.e. if there is a community that wants to be run according in accordance with sharia law

within some states somewhere then allow them to democratically do it if there is a community that want to have a sort of a trans utopia allow them to do it however in these communities we want to maximally run them in accordance with these principles in a sense what is the point of nations of this size and scale i do not consider that the rise of nationalism was it itself a response to globalism and people beginning to sense that there was no national sovereignty in

France or in Germany or in Sri Lanka or in the United States of America and if you look at trends like for example the rise of agricultural protests it's an indication that through global bureaucratic

perhaps because of the miracle of this new communication in which you are a leader that we could

be advocating not just for a different incumbent in a corrupt system but a different system entirely and it's not that long ago 250 years away we were since the establishment of your great country that even when the war of independence was won against the other country don't remember who lost it but I'm sure they had some good points and a reasonable king who was not syphilith thick, syphilith thick and mad um they what that many like isn't it Patrick Henry

what have said we've got to go further you're too much centralization in power states and then

“the states in power community isn't the communities in power of the individual and you have to”

end don't the problem of donation has to end lobbying has to end unless you make those kind of proposals unless you make the position of leadership a position of service so that you don't even a trial just smaller or just smaller where you're possible yeah much much smaller the ideologize it like look I love your optimism I guess I'm just a cynical mofo at heart where I'm

like that's never going to happen the purple money I'm a little cynical on this front I just feel

like there's too much money there there are too many entrenched interests that control all of this that I feel no cogs in the wheel are going to change it but maybe I'm wrong maybe I should be more optimistic no cogs in the world but I will say one thing to your point I think that this little ecosystem of you know independent voices um is important people again killed for it yeah yeah exactly people again shot that in public because of the impact it seems to me people

“are having their reputations tarnished I think precisely because of that so what my interest is”

is why are we pretending that we are at an advantage when you centralize power of course there are areas where central coordination it is beneficial but we're at the possible but the principle or the decentralization and democracy these are not new ideas if the technology that existed today existed when this nation was founded how much would they how much power would they have afforded at the local level they would have afforded more yeah not that technology does that

that of course was the original ideal anyway that was the whole goal of having these little states that were experimental and a very small national federal government that would we'd all join and that would be sort of we'd have some basic ideals that would be enforced at that level but

that each state could have its own personality and its own laws and its own culture that was always

the vision for america it's only as the country went on that we got a more bloated and empowered federal government that we then seeded a bunch of powers you know from the congressional branch which is the people's representative to the executive branch it's gotten bigger and bigger under obama under uh Biden and now under Trump and I'd love to get back to where we have a very dairy very tiny disempowered executive who really can't do much yeah that'd be great that would be

much more consistent with the way the founders wanted the country to be run and now with the technology that we have that flow that charge could be reversed is absolutely possible that people could participate in democracy in the when I've had to do it like in 12 step groups that I'm a member of their democratic and it's slowing it's boring and it doesn't matter how well you think you talk or how charismatic you think you are you you only have one vote and you only have one

voice and so if they're gonna if they want a coffee machine they'll get one they don't want a coffee machine they won't get one it's humbling and it's cohesive and he has no favourites how lord he sees us all you're all just my kids I love you all I made you perfect and individual you're exactly as you're meant to be and then we won't dislocate into bizarre crazies like wokeism the

“important principle of kindness and compassion we know that our lord if you were here would love”

people that were confused and broken and concerned and trying to align their inner self with an outer world that they felt didn't understand them we know that the broken that were lost in the fentanyl crisis would find comfort in him I feel that he has to have the government resting on his shoulders we can't let human beings run society through rationalism with the idea that human authority and the human mind is the supreme system of judgment and I feel like I know what I'm asking

actually because I don't know anything what what the last few years has taught me is how little I know about anything but I'm wondering like I'd say why not have dissolve dissolve power wherever possible wherever possible allow people to run their own communities locally grow food locally do not put poisonous substances into food or water or the air do not try to control nature have independence when it comes to the manufacturing of your food and utilities

lose your obsession and fixation with gadgets and endless progress it's not going to answer the problem even the mad and giddy progress in a scent of the false gods of mirror link at

we're here to love one another and these ideas are perfectly expressed and the miracle of my

“Christian for one second talk about this book and not do my trial practice which you have been”

very good at thank you for being a compassionate and a judicious interrogator when it's come to those complex matters but what I really want to say is that the reason I became Christian is because

what I had learned as an addict in recovery that this world can never give you what you think it can

give you not through drugs not through sex not through fame not through approval of applause or anything Christ has it for you already and he's waiting to give it to you and I thought I was so smart I thought I was so smart I'm count a cultural before you was talking about red pills and blue pills I'd already taken so many hallucinogens I've seen through all of the veils and wards of your phony systems then I read that book the holy book I read the Bible and what did it say in there

throughout the New Testament be carefully in this world the devils in control it's fallen into the control of someone who's going to create systems that seem like God's kingdom but they're actually false completely false don't trust any leaders they're all broken and fallen even

the wisest kings we've ever had may fall into corruption and concubines in idiocy because of

you brist because of vanity vanity all is vanity what do I learn in there that God loves us so much not only does he create us to be in relationship one another but he's willing to absorb all of our sins and our brokenness and the worst things you could say about yourself and think about yourself he knows them all and he loves you anyway and it doesn't matter if you think you're born in the wrong body and it doesn't matter if you think you don't fit in with this tribal that

tribal you don't fit in or you don't belong he loves you he made you to be as you are and we can't outsource power anymore to ideologues who don't understand the most basic principles of unison we are all his son he loves all of us you don't want us hating Muslims you don't want us hating gay people or trans people or people south of the border on north of the border he wants us to be one family and reason decoupled from the divine leads to a kind of insanity but reason

is a perfect and beautiful tool for organizing resources if we recognize our place as his children but when we start to clamber above him which by the way was the floor of satan satan self the fallen one who wants to run his own count of it kingdom who thinks there is no god who poses as a god then we get into very very deep trouble so I don't even really care if this book gets red or not red or creates one Christian or no Christians or many many Christians all I'm really interested in

is participate in something true for and valuable even when I come on your podcast I don't sit here and try and persuade people that I am something that I'm not or wasn't something that other people say I am I'm gonna die you're gonna die we're all gonna die that's the truth of our situation now while we're here do you want to stay in some stupid fetishized hatred or do you want to participate in the coming of his kingdom which is what you are called to do and if ideas occur to you that

might bring that about don't be afraid to openly share them don't be afraid to notice that the technology that you vote for pop idols or ex-factors or some dumb thing for could be used to say I don't want to have a war with Iran I don't want one I'm not sending you my taxes I'm not doing that anymore we're not being radical enough we're not being Christian enough we've forgotten

“who the god is that died for us you have to be bold and you have to be willing for to die for it”

and given what you're saying on your show right now it seems like you're willing to die for what you believe in yeah so would die for something worth believe it's a risk we're all taking every day these days I mean it just being bold with our opinions and saying them unapologetically given the environment we're in so what about the title can you can you expand on that for the listening audience how to become a Christian in seven days what what is it with the seven days

I liked that the world was created in seven days or all of reality was created in seven days and of course it can't have been because day is a you know a rotational astrophysical phenomena so seven it's the number that means completeness become complete and then I like that it had that little potential for a joke how to become Christian in seven days astrists may take 50 years and initially it said have and false rape charges to get started but then when I'll show

my daughters the book cover I didn't want to have to explain good job so I changed it to

“serious f-ups yeah and so that's what it means it means that and also come in Christian it's not”

like you actually you already are a Christian you've just forgotten because what it means is you're

the follower of the way that's what it was called in the first place there is this way there is a

righteous path you can see it's a neurological path if you want to because such things surely exist MRIs reveal that or you can see it as a geographical one or you can see it in a whole bunch of meridian meridian ways but there is a path there is a way there is a calling there

and the things of this world but there is a home calling for you in a way that likes you and me

“are participating in apostasy we are leaving a culture that told us you are the golden and”

blended goddess woman that's actually smart you if you pour a broken silly little boy go out there and womanize we can leave that false priesthood we can leave that and we can participate in something valuable and all it really is is God incarnated God within you you can know God yourself you don't need brokerage you don't need institutions whether they're vast and wonderful like the Roman Catholic Church or disparate and magnificent like the Evangelical Movement in this

country or traditional like the Church of England in mind you don't need that brokerage he is here now with you he died for you and he spent quite a lot of his time actually saying you lot

that are saying your deal for it is are really misrepresenting the messages I understand it using

the word with the Pharisees to demonstrate to them exactly how they'd gone wrong but there are two forces of power on this world Babylon the power of empire that wants to control you militarily

“and the Pharisee class that wants to control you ideologically and our Lord he came to oppose”

both of them and to let them know that they were both wrong and forgiven and that we as individuals could follow him and what we have a chance to do and what I'm really trying to put across in this book actually and I'll shut up is it is in the Bible all these things that I thought understood like I can't trust this system I need the mystery of God where is God I feel so alone I'm so broken all the things I was looking for in LSD and false intimacy all the things that I was

trying to rant about the MTV VMA award it's all in there he's telling you it's all explained in his own language and I like it but when he came to me he came to me as a feeling in my abdomen in my gut it came in an instant a suicidal moment I knew Christ was real like Jesus from school and the tv place and boring that's it's real and from that moment on I had to read the Bible and I read it and then I learned oh my God all of it is all in here it's all real and it's so close

to being crazy it's so close to being crazy it's so close to folklore and mythology but these edgeland ideologues that we've cited already today the Alex Jones is who is a Christian of course or David I who's vehemently opposed to Christianity tell you continually there are demonic difficult to detect forces that are controlling our reality supernaturally they tell you that institutions are controlled by a cultist endeavors they tell you that there are pedophile cults

sacrificing to none of that's not in the Bible every single thing that I've just said is in the Bible there are demons there are devils there are angels there were giants to conquer those giants you're gonna have to think different you're gonna have to think different are the sad ingenuity of Steve Jobs wrestled towards just making gadgetry when he understood something vital connection and extension of yourself through technology could bring about his kingdom the merging

of the kingdoms and new kingdom is coming it's changing it's happening now it's happening now through eternity in this moment now through him and we can be participants in it if we're and this is where it's wonderful because everyone thinks what can I do like you just said I'm just a cog in the machine all of that well you actually a pretty important cog your vital cog you are perfect cog you're interconnecting actually you specifically Megan beloved Megan Kelly I'll connect

him with millions of millions of people and people actually really care about what you're saying and if they hear your optimism and your faith and your boldness and your bravery which they are hearing every day then they will understand it they will know it your the sheep will hear their the shepherd's voice they will hear it in you they're hearing it now even in someone as broken as messed up as selfish as foolish as me they may know but we all have those

foibles that expressed in different sins and different mistakes but we all have those foibles and speaking of Katy Perry please go on and go on well I want to have met Doug now and I like him

“yeah I'm going to read them books a dog I think you really enjoy the historical number of”

plus he's double handsome yeah right well dog handsome you say he looks like a dog he looks like a Dutch he is Dutch and he looks Dutch he's tall he's got the wide set eyes he's got the angular face

touch that Dutch now but check first don't put them cogs on without asking don't you put

that finger in that dark without asking don't you spin them with me oh well don't you go that and frank museum who talked about a finger in a date that's a Dutch story I'm sorry don't be careful these days I went with it although we'll look about where you're going to go and you'll see a double joke because you're going to go back to your subject yes right and the last thing I say was being on that's true I'm not going to say okay so well how what is it like to have your x-wife

dating date just in true don't I put up with a lot with that x-wife of mine but you took it too far

very enough true do though potentially fidel Castro spawn no there we draw the line I did not like that true no because no he's just son of geese child god and he's beloved but what we'll say is I didn't like it when he was ever got them truckers I didn't like they kept like it up it explicably and then sort of pretend it'd be ultra woke he does have fantastic

“hair I didn't like it when they invited I think an actual Nazi into the Canadian”

parlour yes they do I specifically don't like what is typified by those good looking politicians a barma macron Blair they're sort of good looking and they're charming but you think what who do you work for really who's running this because it can't be you and I don't like that sort of pose of compassion that's absolutely undergoed by selfishness probably because I recognize it myself I'm so selfish sometimes but I don't like that the trucker bits

what got me they called them Nazis I was just being sort of bold and brave and stuff so yes is she still going out with him yeah we check this morning and it appears that they are still together keep checking is she could come to consensus any minute it is disappointing isn't it when your ex gets together with somebody who like doesn't make you look good at all doesn't put she doesn't increase the average it at all look at the category I'm in now I'm in with true dough

it'll be it'll be a relief to be in a rape trial see you

never lose your sense of humor not not even about the dark thing away from your baby

do you guys keep in touch she said you never contacted her again after you send her notes saying you wanted a divorce look that is true wow never anything not a text I stay in touch with her father Keith and her mother Mary because they're a good Christian folks and I must say I thought a good deal of sympathy with the recent allegations around Katie she's been accused of 2000 actually assaulting Ruby Rose by allegedly like exposing her vag to this girl's face

which she's denied but there's a criminal inquiry underway in Australia I read about that allegations to me that doesn't I mean this is probably the old school man in me I don't I don't even hear the crime there what happened I don't even know I can't even hear where it is like someone have to poke me with a stick that's the bit there's a crime no no 20 year old girl wants another woman rubbing her vag on her face unenvited that's the crime there it is rest all I got it like

I got you I got you are you available for the trial the talk is coming yes I will come thank you she she she denies again Katie very denies that you have that marriage for you well I can see in retrospect absolutely what the problem was in fact I explained that in the book what it was we said you were married to celebrity itself I looked it out so how so well because I you know look when

you fall in love with someone like isn't it amazing to be in love isn't it so amazing well imagine

“that sort of compounded with everyone else acting like it's important it's like oh god this is”

I wasn't plus she's a really lovely you know what there is about her she's she's has an innocence she's a very beautiful person she's also incredibly driven and worked really really hard I saw her work really really hard here's me taking total responsibility for all the mistakes I made in that marriage I like wanted to grab her like kind of there got it you know like I wanted I felt like I was inadequate and not enough on my own so I saw this big glorious thing and even

though I knew her as a person as well as a positive normal person like everyone's a normal person you've been around famous people you know whose famous when it comes to shower time picking your nose scratching your ass let everyone just breaks down into mundanity and flesh and fall in us in the end but she was really really really lovely but it was my fault because I pushed to get married early because I felt inadequate and insecure and like I wasn't enough and that if

“I was married to her that I would somehow be a better person and more important and that put her”

under an unnecessary amount of pressure and strain and then when she was unable it was a very young woman like she was 25 or 25 she was young herself there I she couldn't fulfill all those obligations but she was quite rightly one might argue certainly from a materialist and humanistic and celebrity oriented perspective pursuing her dream of which he successfully did of becoming the world's most famous pop star and when she was doing that I was in sort of a crisis

of like hold on a minute I'm lonely and this isn't working this isn't working I'm why do I not feel we've married a pop star I did it come on why why is this not working so um do you feel like if she weren't a celebrity it could have worked probably not because like I was

faded to marry my incredible wife Laura brand who is sort of who I already knew and had already

married but I didn't you know I didn't learn the lesson then I went on to go out of your my Macan who was married to the now jailed former leader of Pakistan who went out of you grant a bunch of issues like a billionaire and glorious and amazing hair and a 300 acre estate and riches and I thought yes yes this then I will be okay yes that's it I got some of

she's a human being and I do have in my own foolish way objectified her so I had to learn that lesson

“finally I think now I've learned don't try to take things from people just leave people alone”

be happy in your marriage and serve God is best you can and remember you're gonna forget that all the time like an idiot and go back to thinking life's about you but then you've now hopefully a part of a community see Jake there who's with me like have people around me now who are they're following God in their own broken way and I just couldn't look at them how they're doing it you know now as I'm listening to you talk I have this fear in the back of my head Russell I what is it

I'm worried about your criminal trial I don't think that you're going to get a fair shake in Great Britain oh no they love to put people in jail oh no I don't want to go a jail hey now so I've brought my strong preference to not go a jail so what have you got a jail

what kind of jail time would you be facing if the world doesn't have I mean I think if you are

convicted of being a rapist you go a jail for a very long time which if you are a rapist I think is only right I'm only fair yes but what if you're not and they're not fair anyway that's not fair

“um that would be what we call injustice okay but well I actually have a worry that they'll send you”

because maybe what if it is part of your path what if you're supposed to be like ministering to men in jail or changing the lives of the police fortunate among us and this is part of you know God's plan for you it's God's plan and I'll then I he's no point resisting is there if it's God's plan and off I go and I will serve him there oh if that's God's plan I don't like that idea much so I'd much rather leave my little children and my wife herbie is two and a half

maple is nine peggy is seven they're a little yeah that's okay you're still in the two single digits but surely you can't prove beyond reasonable doubt let someone rape someone if they've not raped someone or prove will it be jury trails now or do we try yeah they've not banned them yet in the UK they're trying but they're not they've not managed to it's good that's good 12 human beings like me they will like look and see what they're so hard to defend yourself against something

that you may or may not have done 20 years ago like that's the problem that we have with you know like the case against Trump the civil rape allegation that he faced by E.G. and Carol which she won and it was that in the in the training room one yes in Bergdorf goodman Bergdorf goodman that he allegedly grabbed her and and raped her and it was 30 35 years earlier let's like how are you supposed to after all that time or what happened to Justice Kavanaugh

our Supreme Court Justice who got accused of of sexually molesting a woman 30 years early like you have no papers to show where you actually were that day you don't have a contemporaries memory of absolutely was not doing that with you because I was at a Starbucks and here's my receipt it's very very hard to do the legal standard Megan is beyond reasonable doubt that this person did it beyond it will be not reasonable to doubt it if you like hmm I doubt that happened

that's you know and one might think about 25 years ago in itself is reasonable doubt unless you're able to and like look the thing that I take heart from is I go in myself and I look at and I see I try my best to see myself as he sees me and I see what I am are you idiot you fool you poor broken silly boy I don't see oh yeah then it was that time you know like this

“like there's and also as I was telling you before I think but when you do 12 steps you have to”

interrogate yourself you have to honestly say to someone this is what I've done this is what I've not done I've done these things you have to tell them because then they go okay well you know you've got to make a man and the the fact is that I own a man's to women for sure in a sort of general way and in a specific way and may God grant me the opportunity to make those a man and I guess look if we've got faith in God the faith in God has got a B is if he's not faith in God that I'm

going to get what I want it's faith in God that he knows what I want and he knows what's best for me forget what I want why wants not even the factor anymore sadly because what I want you know like listen I try to get what I want what I want it was I want we really really famous on a Mary pop stars be around really glamorous and beautiful women sleep with them and then one's not enough I'll have two I'll have twenty I'll have five hundred you know like that's what I thought

when I do drugs I'll do drugs all the time then that I what I want is not a metric but I'm

right here we've learned about it but then the problem is is that we live in a nearity

giddy donkey island you know we're all living on Pinocchio the no donkey island of Pinocchio know like everyone thinks smoking cigars and like everyone's selling these ideas to one another to a lesser or greater degree if you are this type of person pursue this full side all if you're this type of person for pursue this full side all I really really do not want to go gel but look up what happened to Julian Assange that dude they never even give him a trial

they spark him for five years he was in that embassy I wouldn't saw him there and like I'll cut your bedroom because well come on let me have some privacy and you were not even the most famous person who went to visit him Pamela Anderson was visiting him how yes how did that happen I mean

prison oh what he leaked that when I was I'm and when I was you can leave your file anonymously

I'm like when I am when I am when I am visited him yeah God he's a hero that dude and on friends with his wife Stella and while he was a waste you know he would send me messages once it

“will kick off with me guys because that's what happened to Julian Assange first of all is”

they accused him of rape women yeah I remember and then like I like well yeah I've been visited him that time I liked that dude but he did after he's a real hero he's a genuine hero so as Edward Snowden that hero means you're willing to sacrifice everything for what you believe in well that's a hard line man he would then did five years in Bill Marsh Bill Marsh is no joke of a jail that's a cat a prison that's the most of your prison I think he did a lot of it in

solitary never had a trial and really what he's crime was he told the truth about corrupt in this

case I have to say American power he exposed like Hillary Clinton to an enormous degree so the people that were supposed to support that boat dude all of the Democrat left they were we don't care and all the war hawk Republican types they don't care either 10 years see I am going to kill him aren't they so yeah yeah you're right I mean justice and truth these are ideas that presume God in my country they know kingdom it's gone a little bit

“godless you know you can get an abortion now I think even on the child's third birthday”

you can still like no I've gone off it no it's annoying get out of here and like there you can be you for nice like like if you I think you could be you for nice if you're annoying yeah like god no you're out I'm like this is Britain a lot of people are annoying look at the just consider the teeth that's probably why Harry and Meghan left haha not bad thank you thank you well listen I hope I'm wrong I hope I'm not predicting I'm not predicting a guilty

I'm just I'm worried as I I'm looking at the cross on the cover of the book and I'm thinking how does this where does this journey go next and I really hope you know and I'm also thinking about something Erica Kirk said at Charlie's funeral how Charlie said use me you know use me

Lord and she was saying those are powerful words you know like I hope you don't get used

in the way we don't want to see you get used but as you point out if that's God's will then then so it must be and he knows better than we do and there must be something for you there there must be something some work for you there man someone said like why did he come when he came the Lord when did he go I did he choose that moment out of all eternity like was it because of these political conditions with the Romans was it because of the Pharisee at class why was it he chose

“then yeah and someone said I think it was father Mike Schmidt's actually the captain of”

the youtuber he's fantastic and he said it was just for thief on the next cross that's the only time he could have got that guy oh that's right that's probably spot on listen God God bless you good luck to you thanks we'll be following very closely go this great and honestly like I'm so glad we have this conversation yeah me too I really enjoyed it yeah it was very cathartic for me I had it for all the reasons stated I I got to the place where I didn't want to talk to you and then

I really did want to talk to you and now I have talked to you and I'm so grateful that I had the opportunity that I've gotten to know you better thank you are you available for jury service in October and then night King don't have to be arrested yes well swing by thank you I know Tucker's going he now we'll go we'll make a day of it yeah yeah I'm gonna go out with you too nobody's gonna have a glass of wine with me Abby come with me all the best you good luck by the book

Russell Brand had to be come a Christian in seven days may take 50 years of sin and series fuckups to get started all right we will be back tomorrow with some of our MK true crime favorites and also do you know we used to do something good MK ultra do do yeah ultra that's like that's your elite that should be pival that's my secret special yeah exactly behind the payroll offering um tonight is the California gubernatorial debate isn't it yes tonight is the debate

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