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AFSCME President Patrick Moran on Fighting for America’s Workers

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MeidasTouch host Ben Meiselas shows how MAGA Mike Johnson just cracked today during his event in Texas as Trump continues to plummet  in the polls and Meiselas interviews the new AFSCME Pres...

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Oh, magma Mike has gone full psycho like his fear or Donald Trump has Trump c...

plummet in the polls dragging down all the magma Republicans and destroying the Republican party

with him. Karma everybody, magma Mike was in Texas. Oof, the Republicans are polling so awful in Texas.

It really looks like Texas could turn blue. So magma Mike's like you can't vote to Democrats. They're going to crash the stock market. They're going to crash the markets. They're going to crash everything, watch magma Mike just totally have a psychotic breakdown on stage in Texas, play this clip. The reason that we are doing that is because people like you understand the stakes are so high, right? This is for all the marbles. We cannot lose this midterm. I want you to imagine a

nightmare scenario with these insurgent, Marxist Democrats taking over the Congress.

They would impeach the president on the first day. They've already said what they're going to

do. They'll convert every committee of Congress into an investigating party. They'll spend every waking hour investigating the president and his family and the cabinet and going on this law fair exercise. It would royal the markets. It would undermine people's confidence in the US and the economy. It would empower our enemies across the globe at the worst possible time. We cannot allow them to do that. The problem that we have right now is that the people come behind us

don't understand how dangerous these ideas are. They don't understand that socialism is a road to ruin. They don't understand that socialism is a step to get the communism. It's Marxist philosophy. They thought the communist communism would be the utopia, the perfect society. They're dead wrong, okay? More for Maga Mike right here where he's like we need to defy history. We need to defy it here. Play this clip. Let me tell you something.

There are brighter days ahead of us, okay? Well, okay. This is what we call a bridge election.

What do I mean by that? I think it's the most important bridge election in the history

of America. Why? Because if we just defy history and we hold a line and we get Tana we're elected in Eric and and Ticshara and Monica De La Cruz here with LaWelga. We get all these guys elected and we hold the majority no matter how large we just got a bridge it. Why? Because the next two cycles are much better days for us. Why? Do you know in 2028, that's the presidential cycle, okay? How many of you know, we have a much deeper Benson than Democrats do for the presidential,

okay? This is not a punch line. They're talking about running Kamala Gavin Newsome, Pete Buttigieg, or AOC for president, okay? I can't wait Tana. I cannot wait for this, okay? Now, 2028's going to be a big here, but then it gets even better. Think of this. Texas, big thing in Texas, 2030. What happens in 2030? Listen, I'm about to tell you, "Decensus," right? "The decennial census." And when they count, when the census reflects the mass

exit is out of the blue states, okay? You know, people are leaving California, New York, New Jersey, Illinois. Guess where they're going? Texas, all right? They're coming to Texas. They're going to Florida. They're going to the Carolinas and Tennessee. And when the census reflects that, we do reapportionment, okay? The seeds get reassigned in the house. We will have a flood of new Republican seeds in red states. My friends, that's when we can get to the point.

We build a majority of 15 or 20 or 25 people like the good old days. We don't have a one-seat margin anymore, guys. I don't have to be a mental health counselor every day. It'll be awesome, okay?

We have a big majority, but here's what it means, okay? Texas gets more seeds, guys. You're going

to have even a bigger entrant on all this, all right? Yeah, magma Mike looks like he's sweating up there. I mean, did you see some of the latest polling? You'll look at some of these congressional districts. I talked about a little earlier where Donald Trump won in 2024 between 10 and 20 points, Democrats lead in Texas 15, Texas 28, Texas 34. Great work there with your jerry-mandered Donald Trump, magma Mike and Greg Abbott looks like a dummy mander to me. More of magma Mike

Johnson over here saying, we need more Republicans elected to Congress, because that's the only way

we can bring down inflation. Oh, we're the ones who have increased inflation. What world are you living in? Listen to magma Mike right here. It's so dang delusional here, play this clip. Squats helped so many people now. We got a lot more work to do. We need reinforcements to do it. You don't just flip a switch and get out of 40-year high inflation that Biden gave us, okay? It's a gradual process and we're getting that done. So, great record to run on. We have far,

second reason. We have far superior candidates, okay? Okay.

Magma Mike's like, we've got a wonderful record to run on everybody. We passed 800 pieces of legislation. Landmarks. Dude, you didn't even work. I don't even know when Congress was in session. I felt like it was deja vu every video I did was like magma Mike shuts down Congress and y'all were like, again, Ben, I'm like, yeah, they don't work. They don't do anything. All you did was pass the disastrous budget bill, which you called the big, beautiful bill, which ripped away

health care from people, destroyed people's lives, shut down rural health care facilities.

But, okay, go on, magma Mike, talk to us about all the legislation that she d...

what you're playing this clip. We got the votes delivered anyway. And we have an extraordinary record to run on. We passed over 800 pieces of legislation. Landmarks stuff to fix. The mess that we inherited from the Biden Harris years, okay? Yeah, magma Mike's just not right at all. And then magma Mike does a weird Donald Trump impression. And he talks about one of the candidates on stage next to him. And he's like, magma, he's like, Mike isn't his guy from central casting. Look how

handsome he is. Look how, look how good looking he is. Are you attracted to a magma Mike? Really weird stuff here. Let's play this clip. Let me give you the words of the president himself. Mikey

straight at a central casting. Okay, that's what he says. Look at him, Mikey's so handsome. He's so strong.

Mikey's a lot bigger than you, yes sir. I know that. Big things come in small packages, sir, but also in big ones. Okay. Tana. While the magma republicans are doing that, labor unions are organizing the American people are sick and tired of that crap right there. I want to bring in Patrick Moran, the new president of AFSCME. I just interviewed him.

Just was elected as the new president of AFSCME. They represent one point four million workers

at the federal level, at the municipal level. Let me bring him in because we'll talk about the issues that I know you care about here. Let's bring him in. Now I want to bring in Patrick Moran, the president of AFSCME. There was a recent election elected as the new president of AFSCME, the American Federation of State County and municipal employees, representing over 1.3 million active workers and retirees at least. I'm sure that number keeps on going up. Patrick,

Patrick, I want to start by just reflecting on, you know, you've been a fighter in the labor movement your whole life, labor leader from Maryland now leading AFSCME. Talk to us about where we are right now, end of August, obviously from the Trump regime. It's pretty clear to everybody,

whether you're a D and are an independent whoever labor is under attack. I think we're seeing

people recognizing that more and more every day. But talk to us about where we are in this

moment and what you're doing. Right. I think thanks Ben. First of all, I'm honored to have been

elected president of AFSCME, a union of more than 1.4 million members who dedicate their lives to communities and continue our legacy as a union that fights for justice and we win. I think that's quite obvious in our history and the results. Look, we're in an unprecedented time for American working people. We're facing huge affordability issues. They're closing down the potential for people to vote. But first and foremost, the services that our members provide are

under attack, whether that's at the federal level or the state level or the county level.

And we intend to push back as we always have. Our union has a long history from the great depression,

to the great recession, from the Memphis Sanitation Workers Strike in 1968 to the longest public employee strike in Garrett County, Maryland. Our union is made up of changemakers,

hellraisers, and fighters. And as a lifelong organizer, I recognize the key to success is exactly

that is organizing. More members in any union means more power. And so we can build an economy that works for people that work and rewards work and not just wealth. As you know, and you've talked about Ben on your show, as I've heard, you know, billionaires have a mass and unprecedented amount of not only wealth, but power. And they're using it. They're using it to attack working people, whether that's at the affordability level, you know, the crisis of affordability crisis,

or they're using it to twist and move their influence in the electoral sector. There's no satisfying, they're greed. The only way to fight back is to get organized and it's how we reclaim our power and ensure that we all have a voice in the future that we're working towards. You know, oftentimes there are these euphemisms that are being used to describe this economy where the wealth gap is so great. So, thems is referred to as like the K-shaped,

Where above the horizontal line, you have all these billionaires who are thri...

stuff that's going on. And then below it, you have most people who are workers who have just been

absolutely screwed over. And, you know, you have Donald Trump out there and you have people in this Trump regime saying, "This is it. This is the golden age. This is what we wanted. This is what we built in." And I think this is the golden age. This couldn't be worse. And, you know, you had these people who came in here, you know, and they made pitches, you know, to people in your unions and other unions across the country. And they said, "We're going to fix it. We're

going to make it better." But they knew a lot about the pain, Patrick, because they were the ones causing it. And they knew the insight because they were the arsonists. You know, and I hope

people are waking up. Do you see it? I mean, look, I'm sure you must have been disenchanted and

upset when you saw what was happening a little bit in labor and some of this stuff coming from

the oligarchs catching on. And people in labor were buying into some of this stuff. It seems we're seeing a shift now. Are you seeing a shift now? Well, yeah, I mean, on two fronts. One is, I think people are seeing the golden age is golden for a select few, right? And it is not for the average person, the average working person, or even people that are a little more well-off than others that it's all seems like a ruse. It's fleasing people. And that hits across all sorts of specters. But

and look, the solution to that is getting out and getting organized and taking them on. It's again, our union and all unions in this country now have an unprecedented approval rating.

And we're going to go after that. We're going to give people and afford people the opportunity

to get what they deserve, what they have earned. And that's a secure retirement. That's affordable health care. That's a strong, steady wage. And most importantly, a safe workplace. Because they are gutting that right now all over the place. And that's going to bring huge, huge disparity if we don't go after it. And we don't organize more folks. So, you know, next week, I'm hitting the road. And we're going to be traveling across the country to work on organizing campaigns and

work with our members to get out the vote and grow our union and grow our power for all working

people in the United States. You know, I think about the different groups and jobs that fall within

apps me. And, you know, you're talking about childhood education, behavior health, emergency services, environmental stewardship, health care, higher education, law enforcement, libraries, museums, cultural institutions, nursing, probation and parole, public administration, legal services, transportation, sanitation. And so much more, you know, and I think about the cruel and unusual policies by this regime. And it's like every day waking up. And one of those things, one of

these job descriptions are under attack. You know, whether it's on the nursing side, just saying, what, we don't consider that a professional degree anymore. Because if we don't do this, then we don't have to give certain types of federal funding, you know, or, you know, you know, child care. We're just going to, we think that the children are the ones engaged in waste fraud and abuse. So we're going to take away the food from their mouths. Yeah. And then I, then, but then I,

I go, okay, this was your like dystopian vision. I said, okay. So surely, where are our dose dividend checks that you promised if you did these things? Why is the deficit increasing? Why did the debt hit 40 trillion? So you've just tortured all these different groups that we've talked about right there. And you've screwed it up, and you made the debt. And you got, you double whammy

to us. You screwed us. Right. Well, I mean, we're seeing that more and more. And that's why we're

pushing back. And that's why we're fighting back. You know, at every single level, whether that's at the county level, where it's, you know, you really see the hits and the effects of that, or at the state level, or at the federal level, while we have members coming down to talk to their legislators about what they're facing in the affordability problem. But not only that, just the recklessness of these cuts and the, you know, the cruelty of these cuts, you know,

be quite honest with you. And, you know, that's why our members are going to go out and vote in record numbers. And we're going to push them to do so. Because we have to be engaged. That's the only way we are going to make change, steady change, and move the ball forward, is by going out, organizing more people, organizing our members around the issues. Not around

Parties.

and to make sure that people have the opportunity to make a better life for themselves and their

community. And that's what we are pushing, and we're going to be pushing in the upcoming mentors.

Patrick, if people want to learn more about AFSCME, or their current AFSCME member, and they want to know, okay, I'm in this community. My hospital is getting shut down, or I'm getting screwed over here from this type of contract, or there's a consolidation, and they want to get rid of my jobs over here with one of these, what does that look, what can they do? I mean, obviously, within your network, you're sending the emails and the message boards, and you've got a complex trip. But what should

people know about what that looks like if they want to join the fight, and they're in Iowa, or they're in North Dakota, or they're in any state. Right. Well, we're in most of the states across the United States. They should reach out to their local union, or their council,

or our AFSCME affiliate in their state, or they can always go to AFSCME.org,

AFSCME.org, and go in tune in there, and they can get some direction as to where they can go in

their individual state, or their counties. And that's how they can first get involved. We really

are pushing for more membership engagement, more membership engagement creates more awareness, more activity, and then at the end of the day, we build more. We gain more power and influence, to make sure that services are provided, to make sure that our members are getting the resources they need in order to do their jobs. So, I mean, all of that fits together. At the end of the day, it's all about growing membership engagement and growing power for our members to ensure that

they are providing the things they are supposed to provide and the services they are

supplied in their communities. I think this has been dark days for so many Americans, but I think

the hope is now that we've seen it, and this is Project 2025, we're all an unfiltered. We can reject it, not just for an election cycle, because my point, your point, is not about an election cycle. It's about generations and who we are as Americans and do we support labor? Do we support workers?

Do we support basic decency? And I hope the answer is yes, I know you're fighting for to

make sure the answer is yes, and we'll keep on doing that here, Patrick, congrats on becoming the president of Absmith, and thanks for all you work you've done in the labor movement in Maryland for your career. Thank you, Ben. Appreciate it. Appreciate all the work. The mind is touched us. Take care, keep it up. Thank you, and everybody hit subscribe. Let's get to seven million subscribers. Before you go, our book WTF America is available for pre-order now. It's the story of

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