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Trump and Putin's Plan Comes Under New Scrutiny

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MeidasTouch host Ben Meiselas reports on Donald Trump and Putin's plan being revealed that Meiselas believed was hatched during the July 4 call to tap Zelenskyy along and promise interceptors only to...

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All hell is breaking loose right now, as Donald Trump's plan with Vladimir Pu...

Ukraine was promised Patriot Interceptors or Patriot Interceptor licenses by the Trump regime for a long period of time.

Now they were promised the licenses in NATO a few weeks back at the NATO summit in Turkey. But now we know what Donald Trump and Putin were talking about back on July 4th.

Remember when they had a 90 minute call, and they didn't really discuss what was on that call.

There really wasn't a readout, as you would normally expect, although a Trump he doesn't do anything. You normally expect, this was the headline Putin and Trump held business like 90 minute July 4th call. Moscow says, remember Trump didn't even publish it right away.

We first learned about it from Moscow, just think about it.

A 90 minute phone call between the leader of Russia and the United States on the date of America's 250th birthday on that July 4th. Well, what has taken place since then? What took place over this past month? Well, you had that NATO summit take place in Turkey, and this past month, Donald Trump has Lord Zolinski and Ukraine in making them believe that Donald Trump may have had a change of heart.

Right, that Donald Trump saw Ukraine making advances with its F.P.1, F.P.2 and F.P.5.

The F.P.1 and F.P.2 are the long-range drones, the F.P.5s are the flamingo ballistics, and Donald Trump made Zolinski and Ukraine feel wow. You guys are really doing a great job. I want to maybe be on your side, and there were all these very simplistic narratives from corporate news. There's his Donald Trump having a change of heart, no, in my opinion, right, and if you've been following the mightest touch network, you remember the warnings I made from that phone call. And whenever corporate news was reporting that Donald Trump's having a change of heart, Donald Trump says that he may support Zolinski and give him interceptor licenses.

I was saying, "Do not trust any of this. This is an op. Do not trust it. What do you think he was talking to Putin about?"

I think Putin was a little worried about Zolinski's F.P.1, F.P.2, drones, strikes, and the flamingo ballistics that Zolinski was using to strike targets deep within Russia.

But I think Putin was playing this out too, and he said, "Alright, look Donald, this is what you got to do." Why don't you pretend that you like him? I'll just act like this is making me upset. Why don't you get some information, draw out the info from Zolinski. Let's learn what NATO is saying. They don't trust you, Donald. They have to trust you. Again, I'm giving you my opinion. You can disagree with this, but I believe this is the most likely scenario of what Putin would be conveying. And get the information right now. It seems that you don't even like Zolinski. Act like you like him at least.

Tell him you're going to give him the interceptor licenses. You don't even really have to do it.

But the key is going to be the winter Donald, because Zolinski's running very low on the Patriot and his no Patriot interceptors.

So, what Zolinski has been able to develop are drone interceptors. They can stop the cruise missiles. A little harder to stop the cruise. Zolinski can stop about 90% of the shahid drones now, but can stop the ballistic. The only thing that could really stop the ballistic are the pack three interceptors. The Patriot interceptors, which Donald Trump previously promised, and he would sell to Europe, and that Europe would be able to then give to Zolinski. And then Donald Trump says, oopsies, supply, shortage, catastrophic, we need to say he's using call a catastrophic, but war and Iran, we've depleted our stockpiles. We didn't depleted our stockpiles. We didn't depleted our stockpiles. We didn't depleted our stockpiles.

When it comes to Zolinski, we depleted our stockpiles, right? So, you have that going on. Now, Donald Trump, this past week, all of a sudden went from I'm going to give Zolinski the Patriot interceptor licenses to now. I'm not going to give it to him. And not only that, the language that Donald Trump's been using to say he's not going to give Zolinski the Patriot interceptors sounds directly at a Putin's. The other watch to Putin's speech, right? Donald Trump's now saying the issue is if I give the Patriot interceptors or the licenses, that could be used against me one day. That could be used against us. What if the other side turns against us? So, I'm not going to give these. Now, Donald Trump promised he was going to give the licenses. He made it very clear at the NATO summit that he was going to do it.

Zolinski and the Ukrainian Defense Department relied on this, heading into th...

What Russia does, Russia sends these ballistic missile salvos of usually 10 to 15, sometimes 20 last night in Kiev. They sent like 25 to 30 at a time. And they all hit their targets.

It doesn't have any pack three intercept. They can't do anything. They have no pack three interceptors. They can't shoot down any of the ballistic missiles. So every ballistic missile basically from Russia hits its target in Ukraine.

And what Russia is preparing, and this is what they're doing right now, they're building up a massive supply of these ballistic missiles getting ready for the winter. Russia's going to do a massive winter offensive. The Russian Duma just said this war is going to only escalate and get much more violent until we take over all of Ukraine. And what Russia's going to use now that they know that Ukraine doesn't have the interceptors. They're going to lead with these ballistic missiles. And Zolinski was told from Trump, I'm going to give you the licenses. And now that's not happening at all. Now this is the headline from the Kiev independent. We have not agreed to that. Trump walks back the promise of Patriot license for Ukraine.

And it's not just walking back a promise. This is existential. This is how the Atlantic reports it. Trump rejected Zolinski's request for 300 Patriot missiles for Ukraine this winter.

Zolinski also asked for expanded Starlink use to target Russian ballistic missile launchers inside Russia arguing it could offer a faster and cheaper response to the threat. Trump said he would speak to Elon Musk, but gave no timeline or final decision leaving the plan uncertain. So you see what's going on there. So let's he's like, look man, look, if you're not going to give us the interceptors, if you're not going to give us the interceptor licenses. Can you just turn Starlink on? We won't strike within Russia using Starlink other than the ballistic missile launchers. So just let us use Starlink to shoot their ballistic missile launchers because you're not giving us the interceptors.

And so we are going to just be sitting targets as Russia rains these ballistics at us. Let us just shoot the launchers, please. And Trump's like, ah, we're going to have to see. So think about the timing of this call with Putin July 4th. What do you think they talked about for those 90 minutes that now at the end of this month?

Trump did the, and by the way, Trump posted a video of the rope adope. He posted the Ali form in fight eighth round. So what do you think Trump's been doing?

He's been just basically dodging luring Zelensky on wasting Zelensky's time. It's going to be great. I'm going to give it to you. Zelensky goes back to his country.

And I've been offered these interceptors. I've been offered these India. We're going to get it. We're going to get it. And then Trump at the end of July. Rugg poll. Rugg poll. And then what coincides with it as well. Russia mass of strike Western Ukraine live. Pound pounding down on live. And then what else happens? Two ballistic missiles find their way in eastern Poland, which should trigger article four NATO consultation. Perhaps even article five, NATO's joint defense pat does Poland invoke it know why because they know US won't honor it. So they don't do it.

And so this to me was part of the plan. Wait to the end of the month. Draw you crane a long, Donald, tap them along. Right. That's an expression. Trump uses Iran's tap me along. Cap Zelensky along. Wait to the end of the month. And then the plan gets revealed. Let's bring out some receipts as well. Just so we all know it's very clear that Donald Trump promised Zelensky the interceptor licenses. So there could be no doubt about it. Right. Donald Trump at the NATO summit July 8th, 2026, four days after the phone call with Putin, there he is with Zelensky.

And you know, honestly, do you think Zelensky fell for this? Do you think Zelensky knew that this is what was going on?

I mean, Trump's clearly playing Zelensky. I was calling it out in real time, but that's what was happening here play this clip.

So one of the things we're going to be talking about is you're going to give ...

It's just pretty cool, right. This way you can't complain that we're not giving them enough. It's making me a cell.

We haven't informed the company of that yet, but that'll have to work out. Yeah, sure they'll be thrilled. But you know, they'll be able to do it. You'll be able to figure that out. Most countries couldn't do that. Now, Zelensky was at the White House this week. Right. You see him right there. Notably, the meeting was not televised.

Netanyahu's meeting was not televised either. Both happened at separate times.

But Trump loves televised in these oval office meetings, so why wouldn't these Zelensky and Netanyahu meetings be televised?

Netanyahu meeting obviously there was a reason for that, right. I mean Netanyahu was giving Donald Trump the orders basically of escalating the catastrophic and unlawful war and Iran.

But Trump didn't want to have these Zelensky meeting before the press because what would have been asked in Zelensky's presence? Trump would be asked, what's up with the Patriot Interceptors? What's up with the license? You promised it. And then Trump would have to answer that in front of the press with Zelensky and Trump knows Zelensky would have called him out in public. So Trump did not do the Zelensky meeting in front of the press. Instead, they did it, private. You got these shots of Zelensky walking in to the White House right there.

What was deeply concerning to me is when I heard Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk after Russia's ballistic missiles landed in Poland.

This is what Tusk said in this concern me. After my conversation with Zelensky, it is quite clear to me that the next 100 days could decide the outcome of this war. Right now, I would say the chances are 50/50. Much depends on the decision made by the president of the United States. Other people also play an important role, for example, Elon Musk when it comes to Starlink and other systems. So some of this goes beyond politics. Well, if you're relying on Donald Trump and Elon Musk for Ukraine's survival, going into this winter.

And we've reached this dire stage because Donald Trump has tapped Zelensky along, at least for the past month with this plan with Putin.

But I believe was initiated on that July 4th call.

That's a very big problem if you're relying on Trump and Musk. If you're relying on reflecting pool boys, what I call Donald Trump now. Donald Trump, who's out there saying vandals did the reflecting pool when his own justice department dismisses the case against David Hurn. And you see how psychologically ill what a sick-demented scumbag Donald Trump is. And you think about Donald Trump's conduct to David Hurn blaming him as the vandal. Think about what he's just done to Zelensky.

Tapping him along until the end of this month and then revealing, "I'm not going to help you."

And think about the Ukrainian people who depend on these promises right here.

So, Keith got bombarded massive casualties last night in Keith. I mean, the casualties, they're very, very serious. Lots of people who are in June killed. But again, they can't stop the inter. They can't stop the ballistic missiles. They don't have interceptors. Here's an explosion and secondary detonation heading a Ukrainian ammunition site in Kilmenitsky near residential areas. Let's show you this. The Russia struck this. Let's play it.

Now, you do have Ukraine striking back. Ukraine's been hitting these wild berry logistical centers throughout Russia. That's like the Amazon of Russia, which Ukraine says is used to build military equipment and help with other military supplies for the Russian army. This right here, you'll see another, this is another logistics company called Ozan. I mean, Zelensky is hit like 43% of the wild berries. So, this is hitting an Ozan plant here. Let's play it.

Also, this is video within Russia.

And I'll show you it. Here's a photo of it. Here I'll show you the video of it here as well. So, you can see for yourself.

Now, a major red flag for me about Trump's plan with Putin was also when the anti Zelensky right wing mega crowd all of a sudden started saying nice things about Zelensky. And that was coinciding with the time that Donald Trump acted like he was being more sympathetic to Zelensky. And there was a lot of reporting about all of that, and I'm like, tell him, I think into the corporate news, I'm like WTF, really WTF you're following for this, by the way, I talk about this in the book WTF America, it's out in October.

I wrote it with my brothers pre-order right now, hit the QR code, there's a link to it in the description below, but we talk about these bigger issues, these dynamics at play. It's like the corporate news was like glazing Laura freaking loomer because all of a sudden she was saying nice things about Ukraine.

It was so over the top, though, I mean to me, it felt forced. I think that's an understatement that it felt forced. But all these people, even the key vindependent were like, look Laura loomers, she hated us, now she thinks to stop it.

Just ignore people like that. Come on, she wasn't with you. Now you're just going to be like, oh, she may be just maybe that there are broader forces that play right here.

Laura loomer to keep independent. Look, if I was president of the U.S., and Russia was supplying Iran with weapons, I would kill Putin, obviously, I don't speak for the president. And then she visited Ukraine's Skyfall drone factory, signed two P1 Sun Interceptor drones, including one dedicated to Iran.

Why are you letting your sign the drones? It's Laura freaking loomer, man. Come on. Why are you treating her like she's some celebrity crazy? What are you seriously Ukraine? What are you doing?

The hell are you doing? Then Laura loomers like, look, if I was the president, I would I would kill Vladimir Putin. Obviously, I don't speak to him, but I'm not home, but I'd kill him.

Laura loomer after Russians. They should come to Kiev. If I come here and survive, why would Jared Kushner and Woodcoff and I come? It's not, I guess it's nice that she's saying these, these words, but words don't mean shit. You need action. You need conduct. You need behavior. You need values. You need principles.

And what concern me as I was watching this on July 4th and seeing what Zelensky was doing as well. And you know, because I've been saying this, like on all of my Ukraine videos, I'm like, what are we doing here?

You bring it in loomer, you bring, you know, you're trusting Trump with all of this. No, Zelensky was better when he was independent when he was built up. They were building the FP1, FP2 drones, the FP5 flamingo ballistics when they didn't have to rely on them. I get they don't have interceptors, but you can trust Trump with anything. And I also think the dismissal of Fedorov, the defense secretary now, and they're still protest by the way to reinstall Fedorov, the young defense secretary, lots of people say that he could be the future leader of Ukraine.

The guy who revolutionized drone warfare in Ukraine, and Zelensky got rid of that guy because, you know, the commander in chief was part of the old Ukrainian guard, and he wanted Fedorov gone and the people protested, so Zelensky got rid of the main, you know, commander in chief from the old guard, so they both got fired. And I think people are a little be funnel. I want to be real. I want real talk, real talk here, and I think people are a bit be funneled, what the hell's going on right now there as well.

And they're like, did we really just trust that Donald Trump, did we put our whole winter plan on Trump providing us interceptors and licenses, only for him to throw us under the bus, and this is going to be a dark dark winter. Is that what's happening right now? This was from Camp David. This was Trump on Ukraine and the Patriots. We have to be very careful about letting somebody build our weapons because it's a hard thing to give away that kind of technology. People like that can turn on you. Who do you think told that to Donald Trump? I'm giving you my opinion protected by the first amendment of the Constitution, but in my opinion, that's right at a Putin's mouth, Donald, you can't give it to him. They're going to turn on you. You can't give your weapons like that. And by the way, I bet you, Netanyahu was saying that also, as I think they were also planning.

The Moroccan migrants to go to, to go to Northern Africa and the Spanish to S...

Anyway, here's what Trump says about you have to be careful giving Ukraine your technology because they could turn on you.

And what do you think Putin said? Putin said, look, Donald, you know, the history of Ukraine, it's part of Russia and you help them and you give them all of these things and they turn on you.

You think he's getting this from. That's what that's Putin's language. Let's play this clip.

We're driving missiles and we shot all five of them before they got close. Nobody else has taken capacity. These weapons are incredible. We have to be very careful about letting somebody build them. You know, it's very important now. We are building many plants now to make those at other the time of our missile is the most incredible thing you can go into a doorway. You can put it through a window of the house.

Nobody's ever seen anything like it. You have to be very judicious, but you have to be very careful. Now, we have not agreed to that. We're talking about it.

But it's a hard thing to give away that kind of technology. And I don't think this would ever happen, but you know, those people that you give that technology and they can something turn on you. You know, let it's possible. You look at the war. It's happened a couple of times over the years, right? So we have to be very careful. I mean, we guard that we have the greatest military in the world. Then Donald Trump says the following on Ukraine Patriots. He goes, it's like this is the reason we don't give our Nvidia chips to other countries because it's highly classified technology idiot.

Then the video chip, the black well to UAE, you gave them the most classified. You gave China the number two most classified chip. And you gave the UAE the top class if I chip and UAE is just going to give it to China, man. And so that's the reason why you're not going to give Ukraine the Patriot Interceptor license because Nvidia, you're just saying freaking words, man, your words are just word shit. They don't mean anything and they're dangerous and you're a fraud and a phony.

You do this such an obvious freaking trap. Zelensky, you didn't see the trap, you didn't see the trap was so obvious. Let's play this clip.

You're very careful about giving out the secrets to those weapons and they're not, you can't copy them. It's a little like Nvidia, they have a chip. They say you cannot copy it. The complexity is so great. You cannot, you know, most of these you copy. China's known for other countries that we do something. And I guess we copy also. Most things you can copy pretty easily is a chip that they made their ultimate chip and they always have the ultimate chip. And then Donald Trump goes back to the bolt sides. I want them to both make a deal. Zelensky's going to make a deal of Putin's going to make a deal. Trump's view is and Putin's view is to plead Zelensky's resources.

That he doesn't have the interceptors get to the next winter. This is what Putin's view is and then bombard him with the ballistics now. I'll play this clip played.

I think he wants to make a deal and I think Putin wants to make a deal, but there's a lot of dislike as you probably noticed.

Well, nobody wants to make concessions, but they're both going to have to make some concessions. I mean, he got to make a deal. 25,000 young beautiful people soldiers. Now, when Zelensky's plan is now, and this is why obviously the strikes on the wild berry facilities are significant. I don't want to underestimate them. But what worries me about them and you could disagree with me. What worries me about the wild berry facility strikes, even if those are used by the Russian army for logistics, which I think they are.

I think they are also used bluntly for things that are non-Russian logistics, but I do think that there's part of it that's used for Russian army logistics.

But what concerns me about the strikes as well is it feels like it's frantic, and I think it is because winter is coming. And I think it's being done at these wild berry facilities as part of a plan, like we have to ferment a lot of social unrest in Russia amongst the people, bring the fight there, show them that no one is safe.

Because we don't have interceptors and we're going to get really screwed, lik...

Now, why I get concerned is I feel like that further shows the concern about the winter and not having the interceptors, like to me it's shining a spotlight on the problem of holy shit, excuse my language. But this winter we don't have interceptors and Russia is building up this mass and ballistic arsenal. I think it reflects that a little bit to me. You tell me if you disagree, but I think it says that and I worry that it has the ability to do the opposite of what its intention is. It's intention is to, and theory, have the Russian people get pissed at Putin, get pissed at the regime and enjoy against the regime. What I worry about is can it paradoxically have the opposite impact potentially, could it unintentionally bring people to say, you know what?

We, you know, that's where I get maybe used for military purposes, but now I'm not getting my toothpaste or I'm not getting my, whatever, whatever the strategies are that you buy or my electronics or, you know, whatever you buy an Amazon, but you buy it there. And you're saying, well, it's Ukraine that's doing it versus are you or do you blame it's because we're in this, you know, it's because we invaded them or do you start blaming the person who's bombing the warehouse and does that actually

make people more entrenched against you versus I think the idea is this is going to rally Russians to the side of Ukraine and try to stop the war. And I just, I, this is where I will

openly express my ignorance, which is, is that what happens or there's something else happening now. This is the wild berries found or Tatiana Kim on the Ukrainian drone attacks. Here's how they are using it there by striking us terrorists hide the true reasons and accuses us of allegedly selling military goods. This is what this is how they're responding and I'm, I'm not, I'm not saying I agree with her. Let me be very clear, or I agree with this position of the Russian.

I want you to know what's being said. So you have the ability to evaluate and be informed versus these debates or people like screaming in each other's faces. I want you to be informed with data.

You can open any global marketplace Amazon or Alibaba and see if we have anything they don't she said. There is no logic common sense or rationality in the terrorist actions and there cannot be the enemy himself made a public statement that the attacks on wild berries are aimed at ordinary citizens. There only goal is to apply pressure, destabilize and cause panic and shock among a large number of people. We see that the situation has united everyone, entrepreneurs, buyers, the business community and representatives of regional authorities are uniting to solve the problem together.

We will do everything to help businesses cope with the difficult situation. I thank everyone for the support. Together we are stronger because wild berries is you. Meanwhile, I'll show you the be role of what it looks like in key, which is just a kill zone right now as they don't have the interceptors play this be role right here.

I will show you be role of the residents now of Ukraine City of Liviv as they attempt to dig survivors out of the rooms of apartment buildings after Russian targeted them in mistletrakes.

I want to give a hat tip to Jay and Keith my friend and Keith does a very good job. I want to give a hat tip to Kershankat. I want to give a hat tip to the M.A.K. account and other open source accounts who do a very good job, aggregating a lot of the footage from the locations.

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