"Very good, very good, very good.
"Very good?" "Very good." "That's a lot." "Cool, we're saying that."
β"The world's most comfortable, focused, manny, chipped, financed, and looked for something."β
"Mega, but that's not what you're saying." "Eye, just a picture of the current owner of the store's apartment." "Very good." "Very good." "Hold your money."
"With a lot of money." "Caffe in his best form, with the new Cuban one-capable machine from Chiba." "Every Cuban-capable-stecked-spec-spec-caffee from special equipment" "For espresso, coffee creamer, or coffee grinder, of Knopfdruck." "The new Cuban one-eber-zeugment premium design, compact-bar-grΓΆΓer, and small-inch-dix-press-up-920 Euro."
"Thank innovative press-brouethechnology, with every-tasse-bison-ness-oromatis, with some-diga-cremer." "And decades, the Cuban-capable machine in their Chiba-fiali and of Chiba-de-ee." "Dottle Trump got a very rude awakening on election Tuesday as he got to see the extent to which the Americans and people absolutely despise him." On Tuesday morning, a poll was released from Harvard, and P.S.
βwhich asked Americans, "Who is better on the economy?β
Donald Trump or former president Biden?" Among all voters, former president Biden won 56 percent to 44 percent. Among independent voters, former president Biden lent 70 percent to 30 percent. A 40 percent lead among independent, saying former president Biden is better at handling the economy than Donald Trump. Frankly, I think the number should be even far greater than 40 percent, but 40 percent is an overwhelming number.
Then when we saw people leave the polls and states like Iowa, where Donald Trump won by 13 points, you could see that the voters were absolutely fed up with Donald Trump. Watch what these voters had to say after they left the polls, let's play this clip."
"We, I'm scared that I'll never own a house, so this is ridiculous.
All the prices are crazy, like no one's hiring. It's all marked as terrible. I'm scared that I'm going to live with my parents forever, honestly. And the gas crisis is so rare to see it above $4. And now that it is, it's just kind of, I feel like I'm being shot financially. It's just crappy, it sucks."
βDo you think President Trump is too old to be president?β
I think so, although age is something that some people 80 are still very confident of things and others are losing it, but I think he's losing it. I think he's too old. I think we need younger people. Speaking of Iowa, the candidate that Donald Trump endorsed for Governor of Iowa, Randy Finstra lost to a candidate who Donald Trump did not endorse.
The candidate by the name of Zach Land will go on to win the Republican nomination there. So that was one of Donald Trump's pick in a primary that lost. Also, Donald Trump has now lost the support of all of his maga podcasters. You have Megan Kelly out there going on podcasts and saying, "Miss, listen to what Megan Kelly said." She goes, "We really need to blame ourselves."
Republican, she says, "For electing Donald Trump here, playing this clip."
Like Trump, he took $200 million from Marion Adelson.
Well, how did we think that was going to end? You know, I think we took Trump too much at his word. I'm not going to start anymore wars, especially not Middle East wars, especially not one with Iran. We could be here for the next hour running those soundbites. We were two non-sceptical when the answers were right there.
If you looked at who was backing his campaign, the biggest donor, and it wasn't just Marion, there are many. Who said her loyalty is more to Israel. Why didn't we pay more attention to that? But why aren't we blaming ourselves?
I don't accept that there's no one we could find who wouldn't be true to the agenda here she ran on. I am not quite that cynical yet. I'm not quite that blackpilt. Well, that's good because I am.
But I wasn't even talking about President. I mean, somebody running for Congress and whatever. I don't think the President would just get even alive by the machine. And then just to see how dastardly and despicable this Republican party is, you have Niagara Republican Congress member Randy Ogles yesterday posting.
Homosexuality has no place in America. Happy nuclear family month. He then deleted that message a few hours later. And then said earlier today while working on the farm, my phone began going crazy because of a post made by a member of my communications team.
The post was stupid, hurtful.
And a complete distraction from my America first focus.
The employee has been reprimanded.
Also, you have Laura Lumer.
You don't get more Trumpy and maga than Laura Lumer in terms of the maga cult.
βShe made a social media post saying that all of the right wing influencers and podcastersβ
on the right wing side are funded by like Russia. And they're all foreign influence operations. That's Laura Lumer saying that all the right wing podcasters are far and influence operations. So just think with Laura Lumer saying that that's something then you have Donald Trump out there
saying that he wants to permanently keep the UFC stadium outside of the White House because he likes the UFC stadium so much. No wonder so many people are fleeing maga are fleeing the Republican party.
Are done and never want to go back to this Trump maga grotesque thing.
Here's what he had to say. You know, we're building something in front of the White House. It's quite attractive to a lot of people. It's going to have the big UFC fight on June 14. And I'm looking at it and maybe we'll never ever take it down.
You know, in the person that Donald Trump and maga attacked most Hunter Biden, you know, he's come out very strongly on social media lately.
βAnd he's been now become like a very beloved figure.β
I've always known that about Hunter, but the rest of the world is getting to see who he is. So he started a social media council in May 19, 2026. I'm Hunter Biden. You never actually heard of me. He then started making posts like this.
Thousands of you have written to me about your recovery since I opened up about mine. Some of you are you. Our years sober. Some of you just made it through a hard day and wanted someone to know. And I will tell you what I tell everyone.
You are not alone. You never are. And then he posted how almost seven years clean and sober. Not a victory lab just to fact to anyone in the fight right now. It gets quieter.
Not easier quieter. I'm the quiet. You find out who you actually are. That's the part they can take from you.
Here's what Hunter Biden posted yesterday about his seven years of sobriety.
Here's what he posted. Here it goes. Hey, everybody. Just a quick message to say thank you to everybody who has. Just me today and seven years clean and sober.
I'm more proud of that than anything I've ever done in my life. And I just want everybody to know that is still out there sick and suffering. There's a way out. And that way out is together. I'm so proud to be a part of this community.
And I'm just so grateful for all the love and support everybody has given me. So thank you again. Now, with this massive shift happening in the electorate with people being sick and tired of Donald Trump for seeing so many people leave magga. I had the opportunity to sit down with rich lojas who started the organization, leaving magga. He left magga in 2022.
My discharge network has worked with rich before he's out with the new book. And I want to ask rich about the mass exodus of magga voters leaving the magga cult. And coming back to normalcy. We're obviously seeing that accelerate right now. So I want to speak with former magga rich lojas.
Watch the interview I just did with rich now. I want to bring in my friend Rich lojas. The organization leaving magga rich and I work together very closely in 2024. Rich started this organization leaving magga. As he left magga rich was a magga pendant.
He went to all of the events. He was kind of deep as deep as you can get at the highest levels of magga for many, many years. And I'll share the story with you. And then he created an organization called leaving magga rich spoke at the Democratic National Convention.
As well, gave you very powerful speech there.
And we started to see people breaking away from magga in 2024 at a significant pace. But what seemed to have happened in 2024. So it wasn't necessarily the higher level people. And for lots of the people who were leaving. They were able to recruit kind of new younger people.
Peel off other voters that they didn't have before. Because they were making all of these promises. And Trump was saying, you know, I'm going to fix the economy in 24 hours. And things would be cheaper. And I alone can fix it.
βAnd I think with all of the chaos in the world.β
People have a short memory and forget that he was the guy who broke it in the first place. And so then you had the 2024 elections, which came as a shock for many of the people out there, especially those who like you who left magga. How can more people kind of rejoin this thing when all of the red flags were there? And then we started to see the break slowly and shortly.
And then kind of all that once rich where we're in this moment now where everything that you were talking about with leaving magga is kind of happening in at the highest levels. Levels even higher than you were in you were at a high level.
I mean, we're talking the Marjorie Taylor Green levels, the Candace Owens lev...
Heck I even saw Matt Walsh, you know, getting much more magga than that guy,
starting to say things like wait a minute. It's turning the 250th anniversary into the Trump event day. Like what are we, what are we doing here folks? And I'm trying to see people say whoa, whoa, whoa, on Iran. He's out there saying that there's a deal again.
I haven't we been through this loop now for close to a damn near 100 days. So rich, let's start off this interview by talking about kind of this current moment. What you see is different kind of right now. And then we'll rewind a little bit to the journey of leaving magga.
βBut right now, what do you see in this is critical right now this moment?β
Well, thank you Ben, it's good to see you. And it's uh, let me just first as I like to preface in my interviews. And when I give public talks, I'd like to apologize for my past magga activism. And also this gives me an opportunity to publicly thank you for your wonderful endorsement of my memoir, one betrayal too many, which I know will get it, excuse me, get into in a moment.
I am happy to report to viewers that we as an organization at leaving magga have never been busyer.
A lot of viewers may have seen our local, our, excuse me, our national billboard campaign, where we've been putting up billboards all across the country. We have two that are outside Moralago. We've got over a dozen billboards and over a dozen states. And the message is very simple on these boards. It says, having doubts you're not alone.
And I'm happy to report to everyone who's watching that we have more people than ever who are in magga contacting us, asking for help leaving. And I believe that just as you said, Ben, they are the cracks that are forming. They happen gradually and then suddenly all at one time. And I think we are, I believe there are more in magga right now than ever before who have privately left for quietly having doubts,
βbut they need a place to go. And that's why we formed our organization leaving magga as a community for people who, after they leave,β
can join us and find the the feelings of gathering and belonging and camaraderie that magga provided them. And it still provides to people to this day. So I think that as Trump continues to fail as there's as the lies build up as the betrayals accumulate, I think we're going to see more and more people who are going to start to have doubts. And we need to, we need to give people an exit rampant and offer rampant a new destination.
And that's what we're doing with our organization. Like in any cult, those who leave are immediately ostracized, you experienced a similar journey. And it's not easy because your friendships, your identity is tied up into this thing. And when Donald Trump goes after Marjorie Taylor Green and calls her a traitor, when he goes after Thomas Massey, to destroy Massey's life, it's not simply defeating Massey in the election.
It's accusing Massey of things like murder, basically accusing him of infidelity, accusing him of basically being in the Epstein files,
himself, the person who uncovered the Epstein files, then gets put on a list by Trump of people in the Epstein files. And so there's a fear. I leave this thing, the president of the United States is going to use the presidency to now label me a murderer, a pedo, a traitor, and they're going to use their media apparatus to go after us. So that's scary, though, still to a lot of people, and how do you, when people call you and let you know that,
and then at a more local level to people in their local MAGA clubs organizations, they get that also. I mean, it may not directly come from Donald Trump, but they get that at the local level from their county magas and all of this, and the rumors and the Facebook posts about them.
βSo what do you tell people like that who are scared to leave because they feel fear, retaliation or retribution?β
You know, I understand exactly where they're coming from, and it does show a lot of intrepidity and courage on the part of someone who does decide to walk away from what had shaped their worldview and their identity and their being and their personhood.
You know, I had a second family when I was in MAGA and as embarrassed as I am...
and I devoted lots of time and money to my MAGA activism, and that's time and money that could have gone to my family and to my livelihood.
βSo I do think that the president tries to rule by fear, I take no comfort in being correct that before the 2024 election.β
I did write extensively in publicly that had Trump won the election, I feared that he would use the presidency as a tool of retribution as a way to exact revenge upon those against those who went against him. But we encourage those who come forward with us to give witness to their testimony because while they are taking a risk, there's also something very liberating about reclaiming one's agency, one's individuality and one's empathy.
And you've talked ban a lot, you know, all the videos that I watched from might as touch with you and your brothers, you do talk a lot about having empathy.
βAnd I would really encourage those out there who have friends and family still in the thrall of MAGA to reinitiate contact with them.β
And I know that that's a big ass because for many they're so frustrated over the last 10 plus years wondering if they'll ever have their relationships restored. And I realize how many relationships now have been torn asunder as a result of this movement, but I want friends and family to not give up on their MAGA close ones because. I'd like to think that my story as a cautionary tale we should I show our leaders who have decided to tell their story with us.
βWe provide living proof that it is possible to change in that we should welcome those rather than shunnoes, especially as we head into the midterms.β
I'm not a historian, but what I know about our country's history is that every time we've been in a crisis situation. In the way we've gotten through it and progressed and moved forward is by forming unlikely but necessary alliances.
I see right now in alignment that can form between those who have never been MAGA to their credit and those who decide to leave so we can.
Feel good in the moment because of how understandably angry and traumatized everyone is from MAGA, but we encourage those to who have their friends and relatives and and for those who leave MAGA that we we welcome them into the democratic fold. We're going to talk about what we have to say to us briefly just so people remember about the one betrayal too many for you, this is the book one betrayal too many why I left MAGA by rich load just out in book stores now get it wherever books are sold. You because to me it's ahead of its time, but it's similar to what we hear from a Marjorie Taylor Green, it's similar to what we hear from a Thomas Massey or even a Tucker Carlson or even a Candace Owens, you know and for them it was the Epstein files it seems, you know they they look past the lot of the other stuff that you didn't look past and for you it was something else for them it was wait a minute you're covering up a child sex trafficking ring.
That's one betrayal how too many for me and talk about the betrayal for you. So I like to say that my to paraphrase the late venerable earnest Hemingway my own epiphany happened gradually and then suddenly all at once and. I feel like that's also how people fall prey to MAGA gradually and then suddenly all at once and there's usually a variety of reasons that seduce people into supporting Trump and MAGA. For me it was the reasons for leaving were region there was the president's mismanagement of the pandemic there were the stolen election wise in 2020 there was January 6.
So I went back and re-examined what happened after I went back and re-examined what happened to me was the president's mismanagement of the pandemic. I had a press conference and after that happened I did something that sounds very simple but was profoundly life altering and changing for me which was I diversified my news and information sources.
Back and re-examined what happened on January 6 and I realized that it was in...
Before I started expanding my information aperture and widening it but I came to realize that the president did in fact try to disenfranchise tens and tens of millions of voters around the country by claiming that the election was stolen when in fact it wasn't.
βAnd for me the final betrayal then was something that happened when Trump was not in office but I knew exactly how he would respond to it which was made 24th 2022 which was the day of the Uvalde Texas school shooting.β
And I knew that Trump and the Republican Party would respond to that event by saying we needed more guns and more access to guns and it was on the day of Uvalde that I quietly left MAGA.
But there was something that had been really knowing at me or doing it privately because I had always been so unapologetically public in my support for Trump.
As I call it leaving MAGA Versary I decided to write a MAGA Culpa and I published it and in this letter and in this article I said that I was sorry for supporting Trump that I wanted to apologize to anyone. And I heard with my words deeds and rhetoric and the gods on his truth is that I never thought anybody would care but it turned out people did care and born from that and telling my story and recounting it to who never would listen to it.
So I learned from all that was our organization leaving MAGA and the memoir is really the story of my time in MAGA what enticed me about the movement what life was like inside of it.
I've been left and why I continue to speak up and first and foremost I wrote it with with those who are having doubts in mind I also wrote it and dedicated it to those who have left MAGA and friends and relatives and I wanted. I want the book to serve as a blueprint for those who are having doubts to let them know that they're not alone that we know exactly what they're going through and that we know that it's frightening.
βAnd during the the cognitive dissonance that happens when our sincerely held beliefs are challenged by what it is that we're seeing around us and I think that the more the president breaks his promises the more he lies the more betrayals that occur.β
More and more within his base are going to reach their red wine and I do believe that most in MAGA do have a line of demarcation that when it's reached.
It starts to make them questionnaire belief system and it commences doubts and confusion that those were my initial emotions were doubt and confusion. When I started to then question my beliefs and I realized that so much of what it was that I believe been turned out to be false and I had to have a reckoning with myself it was a lot of.
βLate nights a lot of thought just me and my thoughts a very tumultuous time lots of turmoil where I had to painfully but liberatingly accept that so much of what it was that I believe were false and conspiracy theories and to leave MAGA.β
It's not enough to just distance oneself from the president someone has to. And for those who want information on the on the book they can get it on our website at leaving MAGA dot work we are in bookstores all across the country not just Amazon I understand that for good reason some people are boycotting Amazon but the book is available outside of just Amazon and is in bookstores all across the nation. Book is called one betrayal to many why I left MAGA and I remember right after the twenty twenty four election you and I had this inflection point because.
You still make the leaving MAGA videos do you still lean in to the leading to the leaving MAGA movement when the guy one and it was like what do you do in that situation and there were so many people who gave up and you didn't give up we didn't give up this community didn't give up don't get me wrong it was difficult time period for everybody. But here we are we find ourselves in June twenty twenty six and I think the leaving MAGA movement is stronger than ever it's unfortunate we had to go through.
The implementation of project twenty twenty five catastrophic wars economic s...
And it's not just the leaving but finding connection commonality and as you said love and empathy I give you the final word before.
βYeah, thank you Ben and anyone who wants information on the memoir subscribe to our newsletter follows on our socials get information on our Tuesday night support groups which we hold free and online for those who have.β
Drop us a line we always like to hear from our supporters and yes we actually do read all the comments and emails that come in you can reach us at leaving MAGA dot org.
Rich Lowe just leaving MAGA everyone get the book thanks rich.
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