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I know we say that a lot, but I love this one. We've always wanted to do an episode around best

friendship. And this is an honor best friend's day that is June 8th. Yes, national best friend's day is this Sunday, June 8th, and we thought it would be fun to celebrate. So we asked you all to write in about your best friends and we're going to share some of your letters.

“They were so wonderful to read. If you want to be in a good mood, yeah, they should put together a”

book of just people sharing a story about their friend's friend. Yeah, because it made me so happy. And also Angela did a little deep dive on office friendships. But I thought I could kick things off with some stats about best friends day. You know I love a stat. Did you know there are actually

two best friend days? No. One is national and one is international. Okay, that's always a little

confusing, you know, if you're on the social media and you do the hashtag and you see people doing national best friends day or whatever it is national cat day. You did international and then you're like, oh crap, which one is it? Well, I'll tell you now. Okay, this Sunday, June 8th is national best friends day. And that was established in 1935 by our United States Congress. How about that? I didn't even know that they were the ones who did that. Yeah, they wanted to honor the bonds

of friendship and recognize the positive impact that friends have on our lives. And they chose June 8th because it is generally a time of good weather across the whole country making it a pleasant

“time of year to spend time outdoors with your friends. So I think they're wanting you to get outside”

everybody and do something with your BFF. Exactly. Then in 2011, the United Nations declared July 30th as International Friendship Day. And this was to recognize the importance of friendships in promoting peace and understanding among communities and nations. Well, I like both of those. And then, you know, there's a lot of ways you can celebrate best friends day this Sunday, but Cassie, I think you would like this way. The New York Public Library made a list of 15

novels about friendship to read with your bestie. That sounds awesome. Yes. They said these novels feature a range of friendship stories from lighthearted and affirming to explorations of how friendships can break apart and come back together. So we can put a link to them in stories. Yes, please. Well, you know, it's my belief that one of the reasons the office

I mean, I think maybe Michael said it best. The people that you work with are just

“when you get down to it, you are very best friends. Oh, I know. And you know, according to the internet”

and there are a lot, a lot of articles about the friendships that are on the office. But here is one that lists the 10 best friendships in their opinion. Ready? Number 10, Erin and Phyllis. Oh, yes. Yeah. They were very sweet. Yeah. Number 9 is the only three sum Oscar Angela and Kevin. Miss friends. Sure. Number 8, Jim and Michael. Number 7, Erin and Nelly. Number six, Jim and Pam, they did start as good friends. Sure. Number five,

Phyllis and Stanley. I mean, come on. Yeah. Right. Number four, Phyllis and Angela were listed as

friends. Yes. I know. Maybe more like friend of me is for those two, a little bit.

Number three, Dwight and Pam, which I love, Dwight calls Pam his best friend. Yes. Number two, Michael and Dwight. Mm-hmm. And I would say yes. I mean, that's who Dwight wanted to be his best man. Exactly. Number one on the list of best friends at the office in guesses? No, who's left? Is it Kellyanne Ryan? That's the only person I could think of. No, that just raises it. This is the everyone unanimously online said the number one best friendship

on the office. Michael and Holly. No, but that's good. That's really good. Jim and Dwight. I know that's what they said. They had their ups and downs, but in the end, you know, Jim says,

“oh, my gosh, remember that line? He's like, I can't believe I'm saying this. I missed Dwight. I mean,”

they sort of had this weird dude on an off-again friendship. But this is up for discussion, because I feel like they left a few really big ones off the list. I think Andy and Darrell became good friends. Pam and Michael. Yes, yeah, and Michael. Thank you. Yes. And then, you know, I do like that they say Angela Oscar and Kevin, but I think Angela and Oscar had their own true friendship. Yes, I agree. And then I would say they left off one if they're going to put

Felice and Angela on there. I think there's a friend of me's category for Angela and Pam, but see what I mean. There's so many like friendships that grow over the years of this show. And people watch that and they feel it. And I think it's so wonderful that one of the biggest takeaways from watching the office are these friendships that people connect to. And the friendships

“represent the very wide range of friendships. This is true, which includes, I think, the category of”

friend of me's or it includes, like, you're sort of like, how did this person become my friend? Right. They are, you know? Like it kind of covers all the different categories. Are the friend that drives you crazy and you prank, but you end up planning their bachelor party. Exactly. Well, we got a letter speaking of frenemies that I wanted to read. It's from Alice and S in Edmonton, Canada, who said, my best friend is named Lauren. We worked together as dance

teachers when she was first hired. I did not like her. She was given some classes I wanted to be

teaching. And I felt an instant rivalry. Luckily with time, her charm cleared away any thoughts of rivalry and forced me to admit she was awesome. And I was thrilled when it seemed we could instead become friends. Our friendship took off when we helped each other box die our hair in her bathtub and realized we both did a terrible job. Oh my gosh. We had splotchy hair color for weeks. And our connections solidified when we took a work trip to Disney World and were paired together

for everything from rides to sharing a bed. When she got married in a small family only ceremony, I was asked to be there as the photographer. I have zero photography experience. Oh, and felt so lucky to be included in the day. Her husband agreed that there was no way I could miss it. They've moved to Seattle now and while the distance is so hard, we used to live across the street from each other. We're still best friends and have video chats and voice memos to

tie us over in between visits. She's changed my life forever. We both love office ladies and have frequently compared our friendship to Jenna and Angela. Oh, I love that they started kind of as friend of me. Yeah. I love their whole story about the dying their hair. Being all petty. Yes. I also love that they stay in touch with voice memos in video chat because there's been many times an hour lives in our friendship when we weren't in the same city.

each other in the loop. And that's so special. So cool. I love that. Well, up next, I have a

“fun thing for us to do. And you guys can do this with us. I'll put a link in stories.”

But Buzzfeed did an online quiz to determine, quote, "Who would be your best friend at the office if you worked at Dunder Mifflin?" Oh. So, all right. How do we do it? Well, everyone go to their phones. I am texting you a link. We all have to do it individually. And then we have to share our answer. I'm going to read the questions that we're all going to do out loud.

So, people will know. Okay. First one, what do you do in your free time? The choices are

self-defense lessons. Hang out with friends. Doodle at a cafe. A legal stuff. Cook. Perfect. My comedy routine shop or yoga class. Okay. I did it. Okay. Next one, ready? Mm-hmm. How would you describe yourself? Talented above average, relaxed, inspirational, cool, resourceful, sweet, smart. Okay. All right. What is your place in the office? Are you the moral support, the queen, the best, the boss, the prankster, the snacker, the comedian, the glue. Okay.

Angela, I need to know what you're pressing. Why? Because I just need to know the answer,

I need to know your assessment of yourself on this question. Okay. I would say I'm the glue.

Sam, Cassie, how do we feel about her answer? I put I'm the glue. I put I'm the glue. Oh my gosh, I'm the queen. But Angela, I had you as the snacker. Oh, you can only put you from moral support. Thank you. I would have thought of you as moral support or the snacker, but I've just just beat the queen. That's good. Well, the queen in three glues is good.

“Is that how we do obviously? That keeps us, that keeps us all going. Okay. What's your dream job?”

Model, actor, multi-millionaire, athlete, CEO, painter, entrepreneur, or vocalist. Okay.

I put entrepreneur. Are we sharing now? Why not? Okay. It makes it more interesting.

I think. Okay. Sam, what did you put? Athlete. Cassie? Athlete. I put athlete. Who am I? I am the outlier of this group. Favorite subject? Drama, robotics, physical education, art, after school clubs, school, question mark, band, and lunch. I put drama. I put drama as well. I put drama. Okay. Like it. Pick a hobby, internet trolling, comedy, competitive eating, running, programming, debate, volunteering, yoga. I put internet trolling. Oh, Jim. I'm kidding.

I thought yoga. Oh my gosh. I found out who I am. Oh my god. I found out who I am.

“I found out who I am. Okay. I kind of already knew who I was going to be paired with and it makes”

complete sense. Okay. Go Sam. I am with Pam. Me and Pam could take art lessons together. We're both kind and have a great sense of humor. I like that. Cassie, who are you? Michael. You and Michael probably met at an improv class, which you both failed. You love to make people laugh. You both failed. We definitely did. Mike, doesn't make any sense to me. Maybe I'll get a wrong button. Jim, your Jim, it says you and Jim would be best buddies. You love to prank your co-workers.

I do not. You hate prank. I hate pricks. And you like to relax with your family at the end of the day. That part's true. Well, and you are the likable, every man of the office ladies group Angela. Well, okay. So that tracks. Guess who I'm friends with. Wait, wait. Ryan. Entrepreneur. I'm with Jan. I'll take it. Yeah. I'll take that. That's a good one. Yeah. Oh my goodness. That was so fun. Okay. I'll put the quiz in our stories, too. Well, listen, before we go to break,

I wanted to share something. This is a personal share. I want to share that I am on the cover of USA today's and media planets future of cancer care campaign. It's like a little magazine. You know, that they put inside the newspapers. I'm on the cover. Wow. It's in honor of National Cancer Survivors Day, which was this past Sunday, June 1st. And I spoke about my journey. And I do that really just in hopes that it might bring comfort to others. Yeah. And they asked me for a photo

for the cover. And I didn't know what to give because I haven't like done a photo shoot since

But I didn't have any other pictures. But then I remembered I did have this one picture.

That I took was when I was doing my campaign for screening time off. I pulled the photographer aside. And I said, I'm getting my port out in two weeks. And I have not taken a picture with it. Because it's like a thing. I feel conflicted about it. I had this very, uh, like love hate relationship with this port. It's visible. Yes. And it's not gruesome. It's not gruesome. But it's definitely you know that there's something there. And you, your shirts covered it. But yes. But it

would be visible to the eye. Yes. It's like a bump under the skin. Yes. And so I showed it. And he took a photo of me. Mm-hmm. And that's the picture that I shared with them. And it was an important

“thing for me to have. And then it became kind of an important thing for me to share. Yeah. I think”

I hope that anyone who is going through that will just maybe, I don't know, find something in that

picture. Yeah. You know, I was with you when you had it removed. And that was emotional day for you. That was, yeah. Such a, a book into such a journey you had been on. Yeah. And um, I think that's wonderful that you shared that, Jenna. Yeah. I mean, that's a nice share and on our best friends day, Lee was away shooting his movie in Oklahoma. But they said they could schedule me to get my port out. And Angel, I said to you, I said, well, I guess I'm going to have to put this

off for like two months. I'm going to have to have this port in me because Lee's not home. Yeah. And you said, oh, no, sweetie. No, we're getting that done. She's like, I will listen to you for one

“year about this thing. I will get you to the hospital. And I had other moms who each took my kids”

after school and let them spend the night so that I could recover and it was just, you know, again, friends coming together, the community of friendship. Yeah. Who made that happen for me. And now it's out. And I have this, I have a scar, which I knew I would have. And I assumed that it would bother me. I thought, I don't care. I have tons of scars from my surgery, from under my arm, you know, around my breast, safe scars. And none of them bother me. So I just assumed that the

port scar wouldn't bother me. And I don't like it. You don't like it. I don't. And some people will get like a tattoo over it. Have you considered getting a tattoo? I don't want a tattoo over it. I feel like that's just going to make me see it more somehow. Like it. And I you did consider getting

“a tattoo. I did consider getting a tattoo just in not there, but just to sort of like in honor of”

this experience. Yes. But then I got a fake tattoo for Lee's movie. And I didn't like the fake tattoo. Like I liked it. But I didn't like that there was like something that kept catching my eye. What was your tattoo going to be? Well, I thought that I might want to get a little drawing of the antique bell that I rang after I finished. Oh, okay. I like that. Yeah. Yeah. Or a butterfly. These were my two options. But I'm getting neither as it turns out. And I'm also not getting a tattoo over my port scar.

But yeah, it's just that like all the other scars. I can avoid them somehow visually. Like I don't see them. But this one every time I get out of the shower, there's a party scar. And then like I wanted to wear a sun dress when we went to Hawaii. And it's like there it is. And I just let it hang out. Like I'm not going to like change how I dress or change anything because it's there. But it bumps me. And I don't know. Maybe that'll go away eventually. And I know that a lot of people

try to pump me up. And they're like, it's your battle scar. You're a warrior. Yeah. And I'm trying to frame it that way in my head. Mm-hmm. You know, I just think it's new. And yeah, you don't love change. And like why you need a little bit of time. I guess I don't have time with it. And it'll be fine. Yeah, you'll get used to it. Well, anyway, you can look for the magazine inside of USA today. It came out in Chicago this past weekend. It's going nationwide this coming weekend.

But you can also find it online. We'll put a link to the article in our show notes in Angela. Well, you swipe it up in our stories. Of course. I also have it linked in my bio and Instagram. So if you have someone going through a cancer journey, maybe it'll be of service to them. Well, I just love all of that. And you know what? We're going to take a break. And when we come back,

we're going to share our very first friendship stories. And some of yours. Yes.

A couple of years after the high school. I don't know if that's what I wanted.

“Streamer on the 13th April, parallel to the US, is actually a new episode.”

That's the problem. And you're a part of the title track. There's no way back. Before I get out of it, I'll go to the house of the dragon and wake up. It's just two hours and ninety minutes. Streaming, but not so. Wow. Very good, very good. Very good. Very good? How is the story? It's very good. That's a whole lot.

Cool, what do you say about it? It's a computer, a focus money chip, a finance chip, something like that. Mega. But that's not what you're doing. Oh, just a photo of the long-term business. It's very good. It's very good.

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While we're back, and I'm going to go first, I'm going to talk about my very first best friend. She's still a dear friend of mine to this day. Her name is Karinsa, and her mom Karina and my mom were best friends in Indonesia.

They played tennis together, and we were always at each other's houses.

She has a big family with lots of older siblings, and there was just always so much like hub up in her house, and I just loved it. And her mom Karina is Dutch, and she introduced me to my favorite thing, which is mayonnaise with french fries.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, mayonnaise on your french fries. Yeah, absolutely. I do ranch. Ranch? Well, yeah.

Okay, yeah, pretty good. But she, anyway, is that just such a funny thing

“that I remember, like she'd probably be like,”

"I introduced you just so many foods," but you remember mayonnaise and french fries. And Karinsa's dad is American. He was working overseas like my dad, and we were so tiny when we met. I was a toddler, Karinsa's two years younger than me. She was just like a little thing and like diapers.

And I don't have a memory of my childhood that doesn't include her in that time. Wow.

It was like she was just always part of my life,

because I met her when I was so little. Was she in Indonesia the whole time you were or did one of you who moved away first? I moved away first. Okay, yeah.

And we're so good friends to this day. We check in with each other a lot. We text each other. She is a librarian and she's been a librarian for over 20 years now at a middle school in Austin, Texas.

She is so smart and so funny and just an amazing person. And I'm so thankful that I have this childhood friend from such a special time in my life that I'm still in touch with. You know, because when I started middle school, we moved around a lot. And I really just hold close those friendships from back then.

So shout out to Karinsa. Well, a lot of the letters we got were from people who's first best friend is still their best friend. Yeah, you know what, I want to read one from Alana D in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. She wrote in and said, "My best friend, Cassie and I met when we were three."

And she says, "I remember the day.

I was new to daycare and always sad when my mother left."

“Cassie started after me and I remember her first day.”

I knew then that it would all be okay. We've weathered so much all over the world. We've noticed how our conversations and how we care for one another have changed over the years. In our teens, we've vetted each other's crushes.

In our 20s, we nurse hangovers and traveling bugs. In our 30s and 40s, we took mom getaways and talked about our aches and pains as we were aging. Most recently, Cassie came to Pittsburgh from Boston after I was diagnosed with breast cancer to be with me for the first whirlwind day of appointments. Her presence and us still being able to be us.

Turned a potentially terrible day into something beautiful. She later came to help me recover after my bilateral misectomy and spent days caring for me. Her family and boss okayed this time away and I'm grateful for how others also honor and give space for our friendship. We are soulmates and I know we can face anything that life brings together.

Today was my last round of chemotherapy and we are already planning our next adventure. Oh my gosh! Let's so sweet! Yes! Oh, a lot of thank you so much for sharing that.

Well, I love that letter.

Mm-hmm. I love their friendship.

“I actually pulled a letter from Carly Bee in Newark, Texas and it is again about a friendship”

that started when they were very young. Here's what Carly said. Carly said, "My best friend London and I have been bestie since we were seven years old. We are now both in our thirties and living eight hundred miles apart, but are still bonded together as if we live right down the road from each other."

My husband has my color ID as light of my life and he has London's color ID as light of my wife.

That's really cute. We are incredibly different people with incredibly different opinions on literally everything, but we are also the exact same person, somehow it makes sense. We have this bit that's been running for so many years now and its hilarious every time it happens. I am an notoriously clumsy person and will drop food on myself at least once a day.

If we're together, London will see that I've dropped food on myself and immediately smudge a bite of her food on her clothing and solidarity with me. And we laugh until we can't breathe every time it happens. We talk all the time about the similarities between our friendship and y'all's. We love y'all and the podcasts so much. Thanks for all you ladies do.

I love that she smudges food on her own, isn't that so fun? That is so fun.

Well, Jenna, do you have a share about your very first best friend?

I do and you know I lost touch with my very first best friend. I don't know her anymore, but her name was best and she lived up the street for me. We just lived in the same cold as that. Sure. And we were inseparable and I loved going over to her house. Her mom would not let her eat sugar, stuff like sugar snacks or junk food.

“But she had this bowl of sugar-free candy lasenges and I thought they were like the best thing”

on the planet. Isn't it funny the little things you remember? Yes, but we would just, you know, we would write bikes and do things in the neighborhood and I loved her so much and then her family moved to. And I didn't get an address for her. It was sort of very sudden. Yes, I mean, this is sort of part of our generation is that there weren't ways to stay in touch the same way there are now. And I think because my mom and

current's as mom were such good friends, yes, that that was the bridge for us because we were little. We were young. I didn't, there was no social media, there was no cell phones, you know, you moved, you got a new phone number, you know, all those things. Well, this was unfortunately like a common theme for me and that I would bond with someone and then their family would move. So Beth was my friend and we were, I don't know, like I feel like we were like six, seven,

eight years old. And then I just like didn't have a great friend for years. And then I became friends with this gal Lauren who also lived a little further in my neighborhood but who I met at school. And we became besties. Like inseparable. I was so excited to have a friend again. Yeah. And then she moved away. You know, but at least this time we were older. We were in middle school when she moved away. And I just was devastated. My mom recognized it.

I did a trip where I went to see myself to see her in Boston. And she flew out to see me in Missouri once. But then again, like kind of after that, we sort of lost touch when we were in high school. And so, you know, I've had kind of throughout my life. I've had these people who kind of like come and go. And now that I'm talking about it, I'm like, wow, I wonder how that affected me. But I did have a very best friend in high school. And then one in college, and I sort of like

get a best friend for each season of my life. Yeah. But Andrew, the one that stuck. I mean, I'm still friends with my high school in college, best friend. But like, you know, yeah, I've also gone through periods of my life where I didn't really have a best friend, like a true, like, tell you everything best friend. Yeah. I've had both. Well, I think we just met at our perfect time in our life for each other, you know? Yeah. And now we're older and we are in charge of like all of our

life, you know? Yeah. We're not being moved by someone else and we can stay in touch. And I'm so proud of our friendship. And I tell this to people all the time that ask me about our friendship

“is that, you know, like any other relationship in your life to be a good friend, you have to”

put the time in. Yeah. And even if distance happens or life happens, be like, all right, we have a phone date to catch up. And you just like, you work for the friendship. Well, both people,

do you have like very first best friends that you remember from growing up? Yeah, my best friend

“named was Amber and we would play in this canyon behind her house. And we were just totally like”

animal lovers and bonded over just being out the woods. She meant a lot to me. I love that. Are you still in touch with her? Kind of like on Instagram. Sure. I moved to a different town when I was like 11. And when we came back, we were just totally different people at that point. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. My childhood best friend, his name was Jared. This is in Watertown, Wisconsin. Mr. Ryder bikes around until the street lights came out. Then it was time to come home.

Sure. I lost talk of him. He went into the military while on September 11th and isn't really on mine. But I should look him up. Yeah. I mean, that's the thing too. I feel like it might be easier to find people now. I have a very dear friend Kate that was my middle school buddy that we stayed in touch for years. I went to Australia to see her. She came to the U.S. to see me. And then one day like the card I sent her came back and I like haven't been able to find her.

So I love this idea of finding people that meant something to us and reconnecting. Well, we had another category of letters that we got from people. A lot of people sent in stories of how the office brought them together. Yeah. Into their friendship. I really love this one from Becca M in Edmunds, Washington, who said, I like the both of you have the most amazing best friend. Her name is Lisa and we have been BFFs for 15 years. We met in college and pretty

quickly became inseparable. She has been a supportive and loving person that I can always turn to.

She even supported me in my own breast cancer scare with love and laughter. We both have loved the office since day one. In college, we watched episodes together and totally fan-girled over the romance of Jim and Pam, Angela and Dwight. And in my opinion, couples goals fill us in Bob Vance, fans were pretty sure. And then she goes on to explain that for her bachelor at party, her best friend through her and office themed girls weekend, they got an Airbnb. Uh-huh.

And she decorated with a sign that said, it is your bachelor at party with half blown up balloons.

“They had fake tattoos that said that's what she said and also the face of prison mic.”

And then she just said, I couldn't think of a better prompt to email about because I love

the friendship between you two. I always feel like I'm hearing a conversation between Lisa and

myself when I tune in for the next installment of office ladies. And I hope everyone out there has their own Lisa because she's pretty effing amazing. Thanks for giving me an excuse to brag about my bestie. Aw, I love that. I love it when people have office themed parties. It just delights me. They have office themed baby showers, bachelor at weddings. And of course, birthdays. Yes, isn't it so fun? It's so adorable. Jenna and I gave Sam and Cassie each

a birthday card that had the office ladies party planning committee on the front. And we cut out little pictures of their faces. We found a picture where they were both leaning. The same way fill us is leaning. Anyway, it just tickles me and I love that the show still brings people together. Our next section is about best friendships in movies. I looked up the top 15 best friendship movies and Jenna in the top 15. By the way, this made top 15 top 10 of several lists like this online.

Okay, is a movie that you and I went and saw on the theater together on a BFF date.

“We did. Yeah. Oh, oh wait. I think I know. It's the um, it's the one with the pants.”

Yes, sisterhood of the traveling pants. Yes, directed by our very own Ken Kloppus. We went to the theater to support the movie. I remember. Oh, it was so good. And it's such a good BFF movie. I know. And can you believe that movie date of ours was 20 years ago? What? Yes. Lady, I looked it up. Sisterhood of the traveling pants is having its 20th year anniversary this year. Oh, my God. I know it's crazy. It's also out on digital. Maybe we should watch it together again.

Yes, 20 years of friendship. 20 years of friendship of those pants just travel in a way. That one the world. Lady, I have my blog movie screen. We could do like an outdoor summer movie night and watch sisterhood of the traveling pants. Oh, that would be so fun. We would have to take a picture together and send it to Ken. We would. Okay. So that one made almost all of the lists, but we were also curious to hear from everyone about what their best friendship movies are.

is Thelman Louise. I love the friendship between these two women and this movie. That was number one

“on this top best friendship movie list. Well, I believe it because I remember seeing it when it”

came out and it was kind of the first time I had seen female friendship portrayed that way in a

movie. No. And it was like very, it hit me. Yeah. Like it definitely like she has this speech at the end of the movie. Gina Davis's character where she just says to Susan's ran and she's like, hey, I just want you to know like, I can't go back. Yeah. To my old life, like something has shifted in me. Yeah. And Susan's random is like, oh honey, I know. And it's just like it gives me chills. It's just like this journey they go on. And they are changed forever. And I felt like when I saw

the movie, it kind of changed something in me about women supporting women. It was just so beautiful. Yeah. And then my favorite best friendship movie, though, is Muriel's wedding. Oh, yeah.

I love it so much. And it's similar. It's similar. It's just like a movie about best friends

and they're so great. And they have each other's back. And I just love it so much. Sam Cassidy, do you have a favorite best friendship movie? I've talked about this movie before, but bottoms is just so good about like your women and being gross and you know, just stumbling through

“high school together, but coming together, I think it's just really beautiful. Their comedic”

comedy together in that movie is so infectious. Like, I could watch four hours of them. Sam, I have to put that on my list. I haven't seen it. It's so good. Okay. I would say either in Bruges. Oh, I love that. I love that. And Brendan Gleason. That's a great one. Four. There's this movie. It's about four really good friends. One of them has to return a ring and it's through friends. Help him. It takes like nine hours, but it's really, really good. It's

really, really good. And they have multiple good bodies. Oh, they do. So little friends. Moon, I have to check that out. Well, one of my favorite friendship movies, and I didn't think about that one sound, but that's right up there. But mine is actually Jane Austen's Pride and Prejudice. Okay. It just had its 20-year anniversary. And it was re-released in the theaters. And I went with my friend. And it was so great. I have a friend that every year we meet and watch

Pride and Prejudice. Her name is Tess. I just, I love this tradition that we have. But in the movie, there is a friendship by love. It's between the characters Charlotte Lucas and Elizabeth Bennett. And, you know, they're these young girls, and they've grown up together. Now they're having to figure out the next chapter of their life, marriage, all of that, and they can laugh and be silly,

“but then they can also get very real with one another. And I think that is true friendship.”

When you just have to be real and be honest and you work through it and you get to the other side. And Charlotte has a speech that I love. She has just accepted the hand and marriage from Mr. Collins, who, you know, everyone thinks Mr. Collins is a bit of an idiot. And she goes to tell Elizabeth this, I saw Joe Wright interviewed about this speech and how it came about. And it's so interesting. I loved it so much. I want you to hear it. Oh, okay.

I'll have with Charlotte Lucas. She's considered all like the ultimate millennial in an attitude because of her line. I'm 27 years old. I've known money and no prospects. I'm already a burden to my parents. And I'm frightened. I've been told that. And it reminds me of the, you know, of that,

of that scene being written. Deborah Morgic wrote this free play and did an amazing, amazing job.

And then we asked Emma Thompson to help with a little bit of the dialogue. And I went around to her house. Right now, this was my little briefcase and we walked up onto Hamster Heath. And she said sit down, take out your notebook and take notes. So as she improvised scenes, I wrote them down. And that was one of the things that she improvised on that hill on Hamster Heath. And I remember her just coming out with those lines and and me scribbling them down. And then

her ending with don't judge me, Lizzie, don't you dare judge me. Don't judge me, Lizzie. Don't you dare judge me. Wow. Isn't that brilliant? Emma Thompson improvised that speech. Anyway, I'm such a fan of hers. But I just loved that creative collaboration that Joe Wright brought into this movie. But I loved that moment in Charlotte and Lizzie's friendship. And then they got through it, you know? And

control. And they were still there for each other. Anyway, I just I love that movie. I love that

friendship. I've never seen that movie. What? What? It's my favorite movie. I rewatch it all the time.

Like if I can't sleep, I put on Pride and Prejudice. It's your edge. It's your the edge. It is. I can't believe you've never seen it. I've never seen it. I should see it, I guess.

“Yes. Yes. You should. And in fact, I need it for our friendship. Okay. Here's my call to action.”

All right. To know me is to know how much I love this movie. Okay. I need you to see it. Okay. Okay. Done. Okay. I will watch it this year. Oh, that would make me so happy. I can't wait. Okay. Don't watch it when you're distracted. But some alone time there. Okay. So not while like on a lunch break. Like I did with Lord of the Rings and you guys all gave me trouble for it. I will be wounded. Okay. Well, not. Let's like when we were going to watch the edge,

you're like, and you can't make fun of it. It means too much to me. I did. Okay. I say that. All right. Okay. Deal. Well, listen, why don't we take a break? And then when we come back, I did do a deep

“dive on friendship. There's people have studied it. Oh, and I found some stuff that was interesting to me.”

And I'm very excited for your friendship deep dive. Well, lady, I love anecdotes. I love studies. I love research projects. This is true. And I was Googling. And I found that in 2011, Snapchat did a research project called The Friendship Report. And their goal was to examine the state and nature of friendships around the world. Okay. So I read the report and very lengthy. I was going to say how long is it? It's very long. And you read the whole thing. Yeah. Wow. I mean,

I love this for my free time. I love to read a lengthy research report. That just gives me joy. And this is probably why I'm Jan. I'll just mention a few of the things that really struck me in reading the report. It showed how people were really good at making friends when they were younger. However, in our 30s and 40s, friendships became both harder to make and harder to maintain. And then they listed the most common stressors to a friendship. These are the most common reasons

why a friendship ended. Okay. And most commonly in your 30s and 40s. Number one was a new love. Like one of the friends got a new love. Right. Number two was parenthood. Someone became a parent. Number three was employment. So something having to do with getting busy at work or changing jobs or something. Number four was loss of a loved one. And number five was relocation. In fact, I actually read these in no particular order because relocation was the top reason people lost touch with a friend.

Okay. Physical distance. I was looking at that list and I have lost a friend for all

five of those reasons. You know, I shared that my first two by friends. I lost over relocation.

Yes. But yeah, all those things. Yeah. But then I also made friends in those categories. So like when I fell in love with Lee, he brought new friendships into my life. Right. And when I became a parent, I became friends with new people from that category. Right. You know, so yeah, kind of

“interesting. I think it's right on. I mean, I can check a few of those boxes as well. Well,”

they also in this report had suggestions for how to make friends. Okay. And this one really stood out to me. Their first piece of advice for making new friends is to assume people like you. Just to see that be a little dangerous. Like, as let us look, these looks like you're like,

yeah, they like me. They're like, no, no. Well, here's what they said. Researchers found that

when people were told that they would be accepted into a group, even when it wasn't true, like they would take a group of people who were already associated with themselves and introduce a new person. And they would tell this person, hey, this group is excited to meet you. They've already accepted you as their friend. And then they did it where they didn't tell that

people are attracted to confidence. Well, what they said was the people who were told that they

“would be accepted. Those people let their guard down more. They shared more. They disagreed”

less and were just overall more positive. Hmm. Researchers also discovered something called the liking gap. What is the liking gap? Okay. When strangers and we're smiling. I love anecdotes. You guys wait to tell me what the liking gap is. I live for this shit. You also look really cute today. Hey, thanks. I mean, Sam and I were talking about it. We love your hair. It's got a little

swoop. It's longer. It's really nice today. Right. Starting to finally turn. And then for a while,

it shows growing up and out. Now it is starting to bend. It's starting to lay down a little. Yeah. And then I love your top in your pants. Thank you so much. Anyway, whatever, head to toe, cute outfit. Back to the liking gap. Oh, my goodness. Well, here's the liking gap. When strangers interacted with each other, they were asked later to estimate how liked they thought they were by the other person. And people routinely underestimate their like ability. Like their

interpretation of if the other person liked them was not in sync with the reality that the person did like them. Hmm. So they were using that as an example to say like, you can assume that people will like you. Like you are good enough. You are like a bull. Carry that in to the room with you,

“everybody. Okay. I don't know. I thought that could be helpful. No. I think it is helpful. All right.”

Here was their other suggestion for making friends. I am on board with this. Okay. Good. Okay. Good. Here's their other suggestion for making friends, which is don't wait for friendships to happen organically. Studies show that friendships take effort and initiative. And one of the suggestions was, you know, in the same way that when you're looking for love, you'll kind of do one of the like online matching things that like actually finding a friend online is a good place to like

take initiative. And you know, find someone who you might want to be friends with. Yes. And we actually got a letter from Sandy Y and Sunny Finland who met her friend that way. Who said, so basically I met my best friend online. I think it was somewhere in the early 2010s. I'm finished and she's Hungarian. English isn't even our first language and yet we still somehow became really

“close really fast. Our long distance friendship is very cool and we have even met twice once in”

Hungary and once in Finland. Even if we won't see each other in years, we still connect. We face time text and calls and each other silly reels and laugh together through the phone. I know it's

not an ideal friendship, but it's special for both of us. We always have a friend in our pocket.

Well, I love that. That is something we did not have growing up. We did not have this online option. But you know, as you were saying all of that, Jenna, it made me think of a family story that my sister tells. I had thought about it in a long time, but as you were reading that, I was visiting my sister in the summer. You know, my sister is much older than me and she was married and my parents had some work travel and so I went and stayed with her for two or three weeks,

one summer. And I was, I don't know, maybe um, like 13 years old. Anyway, I got bored really quickly with just my sister and her husband and you know, I would just sit around. I was real bored. And so my sister was like, well, they're in this girl. Every day we'd see her ride her bike down the street and my sister was like, well, why don't you make friend with her? You know,

and I finally was like, just bored enough that I had the courage and I walked outside one day

and my sister said, as she wrote her bike bike, I stuck my foot out in front of her bike and I said, hey, you want to be friends? Did it work? She was like, okay. And then I borrowed a bike and we'd go ride bikes together for like a few weeks. We hung out. But it is kind of funny to me. I hadn't thought about that in a long time. Well, you did it. You took some initiative. You did not wait for that. It's definitely not a friendship that started organically. No, that was a initiative

base. I blocked her bike with my body. Here was their third suggestion for how to make friend pursue a group hobby. Oh, yeah. This is 100% how I made friends when I first came to Los Angeles. 100%. Here are some suggestions. Take a yoga class. Libraries have book clubs. Pickleball. Join a pick-up hockey game. Lee has made so many friends. He plays pick-up hockey. He used to play soccer. He was on a softball team. Like sports is a great sport. It's great. Right?

class. You'll meet lots of people from all over. You will. But are you looking at me like that?

“Some people I met. People in improv classes are weird. That's what I made all of my friends.”

I know that you will meet a Michael Scott in your improv class. You will. And I have collected random assortment of people in my life. It's true. Okay. Sorry. I'm pro classes. They are a good place to meet people. They are. Sam, I wanted to throw it over to you because I know that you have been on a journey this past year. It is a sobriety journey and you've shared about this in other places on your Instagram and a little bit

here on Office Ladies. But part of that journey has involved you having to make new friendships and

connections. It has. Yes. Can you share a little bit about what that has meant for you?

I would love to. Yeah. Making new friends this year has been weird and difficult. Making friends over 40 is difficult in general. And I just weigh over estimated how simple it would be. But it has been it has been new this year. Taking classes, taking so many classes, took a fencing class this Sunday and cello lessons and sign language classes and kickball classes and bowling classes. So yeah, this year has just been an interesting experiment in meeting new people,

meeting new sober people. Have any of those things that you've joined in your like effort to connect with new sober people? Has it worked? Yeah, it has. Yeah. I've made a bunch of new

friends that I wouldn't have met any other places outside of 12 step programs. It's been really,

really nice. That's so great. Yeah. You know, my sister years ago, she'd gone through a divorce and moved and was really kind of starting over and she had a student that year that she took it upon herself to learn sign language to help communicate with her students parents. And she just started taking more and more classes and she found a community that she absolutely adored and she's dear friends with now and even this week she's here to visit me from Texas and she's going to meet

up with two of her friends she met. Oh, I love this online sign language class. Yeah. Yeah. That's

“awesome. So I just love that Sam. I think that is showing great initiative about how do I”

meet people and have a shared interest on this new journey that I'm on. Thank you. It's been really, really weird and very lonely, but in a good way. I mean, how many times have you had to step into a room of strangers this last year? I mean, that is not easy to do. About once a week for this last year. Yeah. Oh, that is courage and are you assuming people like you? Oh, okay. Here's a thing. No. And I made a mental note when you came across that thing earlier. I'm just not wired

that way. Naturally, I'm naturally hardwired to not like myself. It's like a thing I'm doing with therapy and this all this stuff. So that I like through my hands up when you got to that point. Like as if it's just a decision to like yourself that is crazy to me. Well, Sam, I can relate. I mean, this is the root of all of my social anxiety is my incredibly loud self-critic. Yeah. And so

“that's why that stood out to me. This idea that I could just assume people will like me. I'm like,”

what does that feel like? I will say all 52 times that I've walked into a room of new people this year. I've absolutely had that emotional hangover they call it on the way home where you're going through stuff you said and you're like, oh, why did I say this? No one likes you. Everything's fine, by the way. But it's just replaying the night. Well, Sam, you know that I know exactly what you're talking about. I spiral often. So I definitely definitely have had that experience. And you know what? Just thank

you so much for sharing all that because friendship is something that does allude people at various times in their life. It is not effortless and it's not easy. So thank you for sharing. Thank you, Brad. Yeah. Well, Angela, this whole episode got me reflecting on the circumstances that led to our friendship. If I had to like name the main thing that led to our friendship, I'm talking like origin moment. Yes, I would have to say it was as simple as location proximity.

I was going to say proximity. We worked at the same place, but not just that. Our desks were right next to each other. Our desks backed each other up. You were the closest lady. Yes, gal next to me. Yeah. And we got a fan letter that reminded me of the two of us. It is from Kristen R and Buffalo New York who said, my best friend, Corey and I met in the office. We had just finished college and she just had a baby, but we were two peas in a pot from day one. We were assigned desks

that connected. Hey, and boy, did that come in handy. We used a headphone jack splitter to

the delicious dish. She left the office after a few years to raise her kids, but I still work for the company. Almost 14 years later, I've had six promotions. She's had three more kids. They call me Auntie. We're practically family and I'm forever grateful for our office. I love that. You know,

I'm so thankful for the proximity of our desks, but also it was the first time we talked.

There was just a familiarity about you. I just felt an instant comfort around you. You felt like home to me. Yeah. You felt like, here I was in the middle of Hollywood on a TV set. Yeah, but you felt like a friend I would make back home. Yeah, and it was just really simple day-to-day life things that we talked about, you know, and those are the things in the moments that get you through life. You know, big things come and go and swirl around you. But it's the day-to-day. I feel like

that builds lasting friendships. And I went to my office early days journal, and I have a little

“entry, and it's nothing flashy. It's just a simple entry, but I think it says everything about”

who we were then, and why I love it so much. Are you ready? Yes. Okay, putting on my glasses. Back from lunch, Jenna and I ate in her trailer. It's my favorite. She brought arm weights to keep in her trailer. And after we ate, she did some arm exercises while I talked. I showed her the push-up thing I do on the counter. You know what I'm talking about? I know, of course. This is like lame push-up I do just leaning on a counter. Then I go in to say, "Maybe I'll get

some weights too." Sitting at my desk now, it's so cold on set. I scooched my seat as far under my desk as it can go so the camera won't see my eggs. Jenna likes my hair today. It's a half-up half-down look. I wanted to come see the two hydrangeas I planted in my backyard. They are finally starting to bloom. I had them in pots and waited to plant them until I figured out which part of the yard got the most shade. It's riveting stuff here, guys.

I go on to say, " Jenna and I don't work tomorrow, so we're going to the Beverly Center to shop and have lunch in the food court." Wow, that's the shopping mall here. Yes. I go on and say,

"I'm so excited. We never get days off together during the week." Parking is annoying, so I said,

"We should carpool." Yay. All right. A better run. I love this journal entry. Isn't it just so simple? But that is it. Lady like you saying, "Will you come see my hydrangea that I planted

“which by the way I remember doing?" Yeah. "Is why we're friends?" Because I couldn't wait to see them.”

I was like, "Yes." I mean, I'd love to come see those. And I just remember just us being in your trailer and our lunches there. It's no surprise to me that I wrote. It's my favorite thing. Because it's really, you know, being on set was so fun and acting on the office was so fun. But where I felt most like me was on our lunches in your trailer, where we just got to chit chat. Well, I remember a big swing that I took in our friendship. I was so nervous. Like I was like sweaty palms

my heart was beating out of my chest. I literally don't know what you're about to say. Okay, I had been at the mall and I had gone by Claire's and I saw that cheesy, like, best friend necklace where like one side says be fry and the other side says saint ends. But if you put them together, it says best friends. And I just had this instinct. I was like, "Oh my gosh, I'm going to get

that from you, Angela." And then I realized we had never called each other best friends. But I knew

you were my best friend. I did not have another best friend. I didn't even have another close friend at the time. And I remember standing in that Claire's and being like, "To I buy it? What if

“what if I give it to her?" And she's like, "Oh, thanks." Like, or am I, is it too much too soon?”

But I bought it and I gave it to you and you were like, "Oh, I love it! I love it!" BFF! And it was like, it was a little bit like saying, "I love you the first time in a relationship." And I was like, "Yes, we're best friends, we're besties. You know I loved it. I had just made us matching sweatshirts with our character names on them." Yes. Well, everyone, thank you so much for joining us in this celebration of friendship and best friends day.

brought us together. And I love hearing people's friendship stories. Actually, sorry, before we go,

“I brought in something from my journal today. If that's all right, yeah. Wait, Sam. Sorry to have”

do you have time? We do. This is a curve ball. I'll try and keep this short. There's just something I wanted to express to the three of you on air. In case something happens to me, I'd like these thoughts permanently recorded forever, and please posterity. Sam, your brain is hilarious. It's gonna start rough, but it'll perk up by the end, I promise. Okay. This last year was a doozy for me. I got sober shortly after being like, "Oh, from series XM."

Although it never affected my work in studio the last decade in my life has been

fairly controlled by drugs and alcohol behind the scenes. When I was like, "Oh, from series XM, I realized that the unlimited time and severance package would most assuredly result in an overdose if I didn't get help." And I did. I joined a 12-step program, got a sponsor, and dove in with full conviction. But as I'm learning, is the case with most addicts, the real struggle is dealing with what lies underneath. The character defects in trauma that I

needed in none with drugs and alcohol. This is the part where it gets good, I promise. Over the last five years, I've been doing this podcast. The three of you have systematically dismantled large parts of my brain that have been causing me pain. And like I said earlier, I just want to record it in clear posterity, the following. Angela, you have this kindness, this deep well of empathy, seemingly with no bottom. Your ability to love and care about people

you've never met, as well as those you have is truly inspiring. The way you listen to Jenna,

“truly listen and fuel her pain, when she's in pain, or remember things people have said for”

gifts later, or the way you check in on people who are going through a rough time, truly humbles me. Every time I interact with you, it fills my battery up to full, which I realize must be draining to you. So I want to say thank you for that. You have too much love and empathy to be trapped in a candy jar. Jenna, there's an old joke slash meme that goes, "Why do we commend date strong women and the answers?" Because someone has to tell our server I ordered a diet Coke and not a regular one,

and it's not going to be me. I learned so much about self respect from you. From the way you don't allow yourself to be spoken down to, from the way you are clear about what you want at a life. And much like Angela, the way you don't allow your friends to be spoken to disrespectfully, either. And also, much like Angela, I have modeled so much in my life this last year after you. I recognize that you don't get to be that strong without the world trying to give you some

shit. So I want to say thank you for persevering in your own life. Your ability to overcome

“obstacles without letting it affect your world view is extremely inspiring.”

Cassie, you saved my life. When you started here, I was drowning in work. Your dedication to this podcast was immediately noticed. And much like Jenna and Angela, you've changed my life just by being you. There's a quiet confidence to you. You seem to have such a clear vision of who you are. You genuinely seem to like yourself. And as is a theme at this speech, I've modeled much of my daily sober life around you. Your work life balance and music playing and basketball

has inspired me to take up the cello again and sign up for several classes to make my own sober life as enjoyable day to day as possible. I could go on and on about the ways that you three have changed my life. But I'll wrap it up here and just say this. Everything that I am better for. From having known you three comes from you guys overcoming your own battles in life. You all have done so much inner work that it spills over and affects those around you.

I just want to say that I see you and the work you've done. For the first time in a long time,

I'm optimistic about my birthday and my life and my future because of three of you have taught me gratitude. That was the missing piece of my life. I live slower now, seeing and appreciating all that I have. And I have so much thanks to you three. There's a phrase that I hate from years of working in food service and that phrase is we are a family. Normally when you hear that somebody's about to ask you to work on a Saturday when you took a day off. But Jenner and Angela, I really

hope you guys are proud of yourselves. You've achieved something so rare in the performance space. You have truly created a family. I know your fans feel the same way as they are part of that family too. Thank you for letting me be a part of the show and your family and I love you. Sam, Sam. Sam, we love you so much. We love you so much, Sam. Office ladies is not office ladies without you, Sam. Yeah, Sam. I mean,

this is why this is why we need to do back, Sam. I'm unprepared with how to explain what you bring to us as well. But this, you're not left out of the magic that happens here. But also, Sam, I have watched the grit and strengths and resolve that you have gone into this sober living with. And it is also truly inspirational. I have watched you do silks. That's right. Cirque du Soleil silks. And I know that when you're doing that,

I know the courage and vulnerability that it took for you to show up somewhere where you didn't

that you are giving yourself the care that you deserve because you deserve it.

“And we're just so happy that you're with us. Well, here's to another year, guys.”

Here's to another year. Here's to another year. Thank you. We love you so much.

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