Meghan Markle’s Birthday BOMB, Hayden Panettiere’s Death, & Jen Aniston’s Support for Brad Pitt

get to today. We are going to be joined by our friend celebrity reporter Rob Schuter to talk

“about what we are learning in the tragic premature death of Hayden Pannetier, who is only 36”

years old, the mother of an 11-year-old daughter. She died on Sunday. The reports are looking as if it was, in fact, an overdose. Rob's got more details. He is also going to be talking to us in later news about his take. On Stedman, quote unquote Stedman's alleged attendance at Oprah's celebration of her talk show, which turned 40, except it's been dead for 20 years.

So I don't know what we're doing. It's a lot of death around Oprah. A dead talk show, potentially

dead significant, other who suddenly shows up after seven years. He has not been seen for seven years, at least by Oprah's side. I mean, listen, we've had random sightings here and there,

“but we do not have what the nerve considers proof of life. In fact, the only thing the”

nerve would consider proof of life would be Stedman appearing on the nerve. That's it. That's it. Oprah, I threw it down. I threw it. You, I know and you know and Megan Callan knows and Rob Schuter knows. We all know that you're reacting to the nerve. Okay, sister, we all know it. So just let Stedman come on the nerve and this part of your agony will be over with. Okay. Let him come on the nerve. Then what is Jennifer Aniston doing?

What is Jennifer Aniston doing in continuing to offer her public support, the halo of her gold and Hollywood reputation with Brad Pitt who did her so dirty and we're going to revisit

“one of the most excruciating public humiliation that Brad and Angelina Jolie leveled against”

Jen and trust me, there's a lot to choose from almost too much. Jen, pick up your dignity, pick up your dignity. Let this guy flounder on his own. Okay. More on the Duchess of despair and endless grievance. Rob noticed something. No other media entity has and once you see it, you can't unsee it. Plus, will George Clooney and his wife Amal accept the reported invitation of Anna Winter to co-chair the 2027 Metcala that's honoring a known anti-Semite. He says he's not,

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Joining us now. Celebrity reporter extraordinaire, Rob Shooter, author of the must subscribe, naughty but nice sub-stack. Rob, welcome back to the nerve at night. Hey good to see you

“my friend. I should, I think we should put this at. You sort of discovered me. I wasn't doing a lot”

of this TV, the some on-camera staff. I was doing my sub-stack and perfectly happy to do it. So thank you, thank you for all these opportunities. I'm very grateful. Rob, that's so lovely. Well, you know, I also, we heard you the other day talking about this on our friend Megan Kelly show and we've had some developments since then. I mean, I think this is probably you know, it is the story of the week and it is again one of these stories that transcends

what the culture might consider quote unquote mere gossip. I think this story tells us a lot about where we're at and the pervasive sickness that exists in Hollywood and beyond hate and panetier. Yeah, I think this is what the nerve does so well. So there's a lot of shows out there. The break immediate news and yesterday was shocking. The news was just flooding in but now we've had a moment to actually sort of think about all this and put this into a bigger sort of context

which is what we do so well on this show. And it's just heartbreaking. I met her several times. So before I was a gossip columnist, before I was a reporter, a journalist, I was a publicist and Hayden desperately wanted to be back in the big league. At the time, I had some pretty big clients. I had Jennifer Lopez and Jessica Simpson. This was when Jessica was huge, generally. So this is around like 2005. Yeah, but in the early 2000s, Jailo had just broken up with Ben Affleck

the first time and so I had these big stars that interestingly were exploding in the musicals.

Jailo was an actress who became a singer. Jessica Simpson was really a reality star and then that's when her music started to sell. So I met with Hayden about doing her publicity. I ultimately

“didn't do it, but there were several things that I remember. First of all, she was charming.”

There's a lot of people in Hollywood who were just not very nice and can be kind of rude. She was really charming and she was bubbly and she was interesting and she really wanted to do the work. It wasn't something that she just was going to slap her name on. So I was impressed with her work ethic that there was also lots of demons. You can tell it. You know when you're talking to somebody, she was kind of with her. No, no. Was it just the two of you one-on-one?

The two of us and we had a call and then we had several follow-up calls. Okay. She was charming. She was a really sweet person and she knew to. She knew that her career wasn't where she wanted it to be and there were a lot of celebrities, Hillary Duff, who were breaking into the

“music business. Lindsay Lowe. Andy Moore. Man of Oprah Winfrey, remember that song?”

Oprah had a song. Oprah Googler. Oprah released the song. Oh, we're singing for the song again. Oh yeah, we're getting to it later. It's a lot of people look for it at songs. I think the I'll be Campbell had a record. So it was that time in the music business where if you were famous, you could have a song. She really wanted to be a singer. She was talented. It just didn't happen for her and now, you know, I've been talking to some friends of hers over the last 24 hours.

They said that was part of the heartbreak. Hollywood moved on. They don't ever, ever have a nice way of saying goodbye. She was a child star. It's very difficult for children, for child stars to

progress in Hollywood and she didn't. There was money issues there. That was clear. She'd never

had that big big hit. She had a few two big TV shows. Heroes made money and also Nashville made money. Yeah, let's start. Let's stop there for a moment. So, you know, I kind of, I've been thinking about a lot of child stars. The few who survive and the far too many who don't. And the parallels between Hayden Pannetier, who had a stage mother, a frustrated failed actress, who started Hayden modeling at 11 months old. No, who else started modeling as a baby? Brooke Shields. Jodie Foster.

Those two survived. Whatever, whatever is in there, make up. They both went to Ivy League schools. They pulled themselves out of the business, out of that feedback loop, that endless hamster wheel. Hayden became a big star on Heroes. She began dating her much older co-star Milo Ventimilia

as somewhat normal. She was also coming up at the time. As you mentioned, the Lindsey Lowins, the Paris Hilton's, the Nicole Richies, we have a photo actually of Hayden at age 15 in a nightclub, smoking a cigarette with Paris, like looking like she's on a pole, like a stripper pole. Now, now we know what was really going on. We know that Paris had been sent to one of these facilities for troubled youth, where she was sexually abused. We know about the dark underbelly.

Nashville should have been a triumph for Hayden, and she really did shine in that pole. She played a young country, western star, and she got to sing.

And the reports I always heard off of that set, I knew someone who was close on that set,

“was that Cardi-Britain and Heed in Palette here with, like, from day one?”

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think I was a little bit of jealousy there. I know someone who there was a producer on that show, and they thought that show would be a bigger hit. It ran for a couple of seasons and made people good money, but not the type of money you think when you think of somebody of Hayden's fame. And so that's a difficult thing, too. I've met so many celebrities who you just think are really rich because they're really famous, and it's just not always the

occasion never had that monster hit. So at the same time that her income was diminishing, her fame was diminishing, too. And those were two things that she was taught from a very early age

with the most important things in the world. She said in her, in her memoir, which I read again,

yesterday, she said that her mother only loved her, and she was successful. She constantly wanted to please her mom, and that is something that she took with her, maybe even to the grave. She wanted to please people. When I met with her, you would have thought that I was the star. Like she was trying to impress me. She wanted me to like her. I did like her, but there was a

“neediness, and there was a darkness about her that made me very, very sad. And I remember after a”

couple of conversations saying to a colleague of mine, like this isn't the right fit for me, but I really do wish her well, but I just don't think everything feels right. Nothing felt

right, everything felt really, really strange around her. I wish I could describe it better

more. There was a sadness, there was a darkness, there was a desperation. It felt almost like a Hollywood cliché, like the young star in her memoir talking about doing pills on the red carpet. Yeah, this is the major and manager would give her pills, so she was sparkle. When you do sparkle, when you take pills, you take them again, because you feel good, and everybody complimented you. I remember one Lindsay Lohan said that when she lost a lot of weight, not in a good way,

everybody complimented her. Everyone said you look great, and so she just kept doing it. So when we reinforce bad behavior, it's no surprise that it continues, and it looks, and it certainly is going that way, it looks as if the pills and the drugs follow to right, right to the very end. You know, Jeanette McCurdy wrote about this in her memoir. I'm glad my mom died, which is about like 100 weeks on the New York Times. Bestseller List, and she came out of the

Nickelodeon child star system with Ariana Grande, who we talked about last week. Jeanette wrote, her book is about much the same. Her mother's love was conditional, and her mother's love was predicated on Jeanette, developing and maintaining an eating disorder that she says her mother taught her how to develop and on becoming rich in famous and doing whatever it took. Oh, whatever it took. And so when you have that kind of wound already, it's a primal wound. She was so troubled,

she gave up, she had a baby with an MMA fighter. She was an MMA fighter. He was an MMA fighter. He was from Ukraine, but this is the thing. This is the thing. She gave up custody of the gave up. We don't know the parameters. The daughter has lived with her father in Ukraine. Okay. That is a better life for this young woman, this 11-year-old now mother,

“list girl, than with her mother in America. It's so fucked up, Rob. And I think about this,”

we talked about this on the nerve yesterday, but the morning, so that the hated news broke Sunday night. She died Sunday afternoon. That next morning on the today's show, Anna Farrs is sitting on that sofa with her castmates, and they're all promoting their new movie. And Anna Farrs, I am sorry, just my opinion, looks beyond fucked up. You know, it's like 830 in the morning, and she's clearly out of her mind on hard drugs. Just my opinion. And it's like, when is the

system going to wake up at what point, Rob? Does a producer say, sorry, we're not putting your talent on. She's fucked up. We're not putting her on. Put the other three on.

Is I want it to be about people? I want it to be about people. I want it to be about decency, and kindness, and giving the right thing. And that doesn't matter. Not only is it not important,

it doesn't matter to the people that are running this. And there's always another guest. There's

always another actress. If they grew up, Britney Spears, if they grew up and the golden goose, they'll find another one. Disney are going to recreate the Mickey Mouse Club, an institution that put together some of the most damaged people this week. They should burn it to the ground. Yes, it should never, ever be alive. When I called Disney about this, they said that, oh, the new reincarnation will be different. And we'll have more mental health professionals on this set.

It's the one higher pedophiles reportedly, allegedly, that riddle the industry when it comes to child stars and ruin them. Okay. You say so. Not saying Disney does that, but we know what we're talking about here. You know what we're talking about. It is such a cruel industry. You know, my advice to parents is just don't do it. Don't do it. If your kids get offered the Disney Club, if your kids get offered the new spiscals, don't do it. It's not going to end well. And then

the problem with this too, in my experience, is the parents that say, yes, are the parents that want it for themselves? Yes. We know this from from from Hayden's book. Her mom wanted to be a star. Ariana Grande's mother wanted to be famous. Britney Spears, his mother, was the ultimate show moment. And it just they're not the right people to protect you. And if your parent is in protecting you in Hollywood, Hollywood, I'm protecting you. There are no god vials. No, they like it that way.

They like a permissive parent. They like an absent parent. You know, I was, we were preparing for our segments on Hayden. I went back and I was looking at photos of her on the red carpet rob. And it struck me how often her mother is like soldered to her side on the red carpet. It was

“much like Dina and Lizzy low hand. But what are you doing on the red carpet with your daughter?”

This is a work event. You know, why don't you just stand off to the side and make sure nobody does anything inappropriate? Right. If we became god forbid famous, you wouldn't know my mother's name. She would, like, we see with Beyonce's mother that she has an amazing lion. Jessica's mother. I'm a member Britney Spears. With the memoirs, I knew I was in trouble. When I first started

working with Jessica Simpson and her dad was always trying to get into the photograph. So,

that was, and this is why a big mistake is too. It's not only is it just bad for your family. It's bad business. You want to surround yourself with the best. If your manager is your mama, you're a dad with no qualifications, Joe was a preacher. He was a bit of a deeply closet in. Man of the clock. And so, if you, it doesn't matter what career you're in, higher good people. And I promise you the best person's not your mom, not your dad, not your

boyfriend, not your husband. We see it all the time. These celebrities, they hire people who are not qualified to do that job. And then they worry why they're career. They wouldn't do why they're career. It's not in a very good place. By the time Hayton had fired her mom, she was on heroes. The damage had been done. People just didn't want to work with her. And he more than mom was just

“so difficult that I think a lot of big opportunities that might have happened for Hayton didn't happen.”

I've seen, they said that to about Katherine Hygel. It wasn't just that she was bad mouthing everyone she worked with. It was that her momager used a fucking pain in the ass. They were like, we don't care how talented her beautiful woman is. Another one's ripe behind her. You've got to be Barbara Streisand type talent to be awful. These days, you can't just be

replaceable and awful because you will be replaced. I don't want to say they're in a million

Haydons. There's only one of each of us. But in that Hollywood slot, that, that mold, that hole that they wanted to fill. There was a lot of beautiful, pretty young people who have now gone on to do that. So the end I'm hearing, it's really sad. I want to know the last couple of weeks of her life. I hear there's money issues. I hear there's issues with no longer getting jobs. Hollywood rejects people. It throws them aside. Like, like, garbage. And I also want to know

to about this boyfriend. There are lots of questions I'm going to be reporting on this tomorrow

“on my substat. There are lots of questions about him. He was he in the apartment. Was it his apartment?”

He was in Saif Carolina, which is where he's from. How did she get the drugs? If this wasn't he's a drug overdose, she didn't bring them on the plane. Her friends say she would not do that. So she must have picked up something locally. How did she know people there? Was the boyfriend's

He was a violent guy too. He was a violent guy. He looked at footage of him, by the way,

he and Hayden involved in a street bra outside of an LA bar slash hotel street bra. Like she was on the ground like tripping people. And he also was arrested for punching her in the face. In the face. In the face. The violent guy. And she's a dodgy dodgy guy. And I will give her

“credit for this. And this is going to be controversial. But I think I can make sense of this.”

Given her daughter away was the kind of thing she could do. She couldn't look after herself, let alone a daughter. And the fact that she was smart enough to say this ends with us, I'm not going to bring my daughter through what I'm going through. Well, it makes you wonder because I do have to say I was rewatching her press tour, which was just in May for her memoir. And she was clearly fucked up. I'm sorry. Yes, she was clearly on drugs. I can't even say that today.

Even go until finally admitted it. How did she's dead courage? Gale courage. And you know,

we covered it when she was initially doing it. And that was the spine of our segment, which is why isn't anybody saying, hey, you're saying you're all better. Just like Matthew Perry did on his book tour. Sister, you look fucked up. You're slurring your words. What's going on here? What I wonder behind the scenes because an addict in recovery takes responsibility for what they've done. And she was blaming everybody else. It was everybody else's fault. And it

makes me think that her ex-fiancee knew a lot and was like, you're giving me this kid or I'm going

“to blow you up in the press. That's what I think went on. Yeah, maybe I'm given a too much credit.”

Maybe he's the hero of this story. But I'm so glad I never want to see kids take it away from

their parents. Some people just did not fit parents. And she wasn't. And she admitted that in her memoir and so I'm grateful that the daughter wasn't in that room in that hotel. I can't imagine if she was in South Carolina with her. And can you imagine that the daughter was being dragged around by this thug that she was dating on and off and on and off. I'm so happy that that kids away from all this. But you got to put it in perspective to say she's got a better

job. Sorry. Who's it? Who's it? I can neither confirm nor deny Rob. I've had so much joy listening to you. And they could tell you talk about statement. It is the perfect segue. Let's move on to something later. What do you make Rob of Oprah hauling Steadman out? Steadman, I put his name in quotes. We're still unsure. It's going to be very weak in the burning.

“That first time is 7 years. 7 years. She hauled this guy out. What's going on? What do you make of it?”

It's so bizarre. This whole party was bizarre. I got to email from someone very, very senior in the Oprah Winfrey world to complain about my coverage for this part of it. Stop it. Stop it. What did they say? They wanted me to make it very clear that this is what an Oprah's party, but this was a party that produces put together. Oprah heard about it and she decided to go. Right, because people often do things without Oprah's permission when it's brand Oprah.

That totally tracks. She's not a control freak. No, she just turns up. So they wanted me to make that clear and I went back. They also didn't want the story to be about who was missing. There was no doctor film. There was no girl. There was no, yes, there was no girl. But there was Steadman. I know people who used to work on the Oprah show and they were at the party. I used to go there a lot. So in my PR days, Oprah was a place that you had to travel to

Chicago too. So you actually got to become friendly with the producers. Because you didn't just show up, 10 minutes before, you went in the night before and you often had dinner or went for a drink. It was quite a fun thing to do, actually, the Oprah show. So I went there with Bobby Brown and the makeup artists and all these, the Alicia Keys and all these different people. I became quite friendly with several of the producers and they said it was so art that she turned up with Steadman.

Because he has nothing to do with the Oprah show. This was a celebration of the Oprah show. So he wasn't a producer. He wasn't on the show. It wouldn't be like, Dr. Phil's wife was on every episode of Dr. Phil. I'm so weird. But if she turned up for the reunion, I'd like she was on the show. So they said that I was told that they had very little interaction with one another. They arrived together and made a big fuss of that. And the Oprah went around table to table

being a door. And he stood there a little out of it. Not quite sure what was really happening. I think he was not allowed to speak because it wasn't Steadman. That is just my theory of the case.

culture. It's also so weird too because who else, but Oprah is going to come up with the idea to

celebrate 40 years of a talk show that has been defunct for 20. It doesn't make any sense. And I literally, I could believe the footage. I'm so glad people had cell phones because nothing official was there. There's no official photograph. Normally, those events, you say, everybody that worked on the nerve, let's do a group photograph of everybody to get, let's hire a photo. Yes, there's nothing. It was so odd now. You and I have done this a very

long time. Often when celebrities do something very odd. When you do something very odd, when you do something that's out of your normal behavior, it's because something's happening.

“One rattle, rattle. Something's bothering. Something's bothered. I think it's the school.”

I know you do too, but something is bothered. Oprah Winfrey. It's not up to fill. That is a root. It's not up to ours. That is a root. It's bigger than that. And I think that this is I've got something to do with maybe Gayle. Maybe Steadman's had enough of Gayle. This has got something to do with the girl school. This is not just a pure celebration about the Oprah show. I'd also like to give credit to a five pound mini palm known as Teddy Van Halen.

I think it could be in reaction to Teddy's ongoing search for the remains. Again, I'm not buying it, but I did before we move on. I did find it very interesting now for, okay, initially it was

“Oprah and Steadman were the couple. Then Gayle joined that and became something of an emotional”

throttle. There was a black tie of that. It was the three of them. Then Steadman disappears and it's Oprah and Gayle. They're the quote on quote couple. Now Steadman is at this party and Gayle is nowhere to be seen. These ever shifting dynamics I find fascinating. Don't you? This is my story is delicious. This is my story. It's not going to get me wet. And this is why you're a little pooch. These are the extra bone tonight for dinner. Oh yeah, no, he's definitely getting a nerve

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a highlight of the week. Okay, you've got this great exclusive that advances what we were talking about last week, which really landed with the troublemakers. You have advanced to this. This is a Rob Exclusive Jennifer Aniston would happily share a drink and alcoholic drink. With Brad Pitt,

the quote is she will always root for him. The quote from your source telling naughty but nice.

If Brad wants to sit down with friends, have a glass of wine and enjoy himself, she thinks he should

I think Brad is using her public goodwill as cover for some bad stuff that he's trying to get in front

of. That's just a working theory of the case. My opinion, I want to look at this with you Rob because we did not know each other at this point and had we know each other. The texts would have been going fast and furious. Here, another throbble. Jen, Brad, and Angie at the 2009 Oscars, Brad's nominated for the David Fincher film, the curious case of Benjamin Button, which I do love. He had formally left her for Angie, so those two are in the audience at the Oscars laughing

and smurking as Jen is on stage presenting an award and she is struggling. Let's take a look. Now, we are going to present the award for Best Animated Short Film, which a lot of people

mistakenly think is easier to win than the regular one. But that is not true because the shorter

you're moving, the less time your panda has to work, it's way into America's heart. We're going to show the part where, you know, grad and gender, like sort of in the audience, like leaned into each other, kind of like smurking and, you know, like, you know, it wasn't enough that they humiliated her. So publicly, they went and did it at the fucking Oscars. Jen said it. There's a sensitivity ship missing. I love that quote that it's definitely true. You know, it's Brad a good guy. It

“does he just have good PR. I think he has a really, really good PR. You don't sit down with”

Best Squire Magazine and do a cover story and you bring up. He was not asked about trading.

He brought it up. It just doesn't happen. He's been in this business for too long, even if he

wants to play. Chuck, I, you know, just a simple country boy. And I'm in Hollywood. You've just didn't for so many decades now that he has learned the business. Even stars who are not very bright learn the business. I've worked with a lot of them. They learn the business because they do it every day year. I fear Brad knows how press works, Brad knows how the business works. There is something that is happening here. Is there going to be a bombshell? Has there been a few whispers

already about people seeing Brad trashed and I drinking. Yes, there has. We haven't been able to prove any of them yet. But you don't just suddenly announce this now. The only other perspective I heard of this. I spoke to somebody who was quite close to Brad and they said a bomb shell is not coming. The reason he did it is the years drinking. He is out in bars. He drank at Taylor Swift's wedding. It will be noticed eventually. If Martha Stewart could gossip about Meghan Markle and

a private dinner party, Brad had a drink at the polo lodge. Will eventually get out in the open. The reason he talked about it is because he has no chance now of getting custody of those kids. The reason he was sober for seven years was to prove to everybody that he was a good dad, that he had learned his lesson, that he wanted to get those kids back. Now the kids have turned to 18. Now they've dropped his last name. Even Brad has realized the boat has sailed with the kids.

That's actually I think dark. He didn't get sober because he realized he needed to. He got sober to get the kids and now that they're of age and their dropping his name. What it sounds like is he's like, fuck it. If I want to get ship-based, I'm going to get ship-based. What is your theory again? Now that Jen is injecting herself into this narrative.

“My theory is it's like her ultimate revenge. That's what I want to pick it up.”

Yeah, I want to believe that Jen is kicking the stock two dogs with their dad. I don't know. It's a cruel, like I was wrong. I would love to think Jen got the final laugh. I'd love for Jen to say to Angelina, I know who he was and I was fine with that. You knew who he was too, Angelina. We all knew who Brad was and suddenly it became something that was no longer accepted. It makes me laugh Taylor Swift and Blake Lively.

We all knew Blake was awful and so did Taylor. Taylor didn't just suddenly find her. Oh my goodness. Blake's awful. No! She knew it. We all knew who Brad was. We all knew who was a drunk. Angelina when she met him knew he was a drunk and I'd love to think that this story that I broke about Jen is Jen having the last laugh saying, you know what? You know why do you better eat more? I love a drink with him. I don't want to get back together with him. I'm not going

“to be. He's a lover ever again, but I don't have a glass of wine with him. I think it's a little bit”

of a dig. I think the real power move for Jen would just be like, wow, I really fucking dodged a bullet. I'm not the one who had kids without loser. I want nothing to do with either one of you. You know, I think that would be the real flex. And again, to your point, Taylor's just as awful.

known that she has exercised her God children. She has blakes three daughters from her life.

They're like 11, 9, and 7. Yeah. Yeah, to make up. So that would be lovely for those kids to go back to school and have that pumping through the bloodstream. Oh, your famous fairy god mother has rejected you. And for those kids, for those kids, that's, that's just because it gets to be friends who Taylor Swift is a norm. It's so big. Can you imagine when we were growing up if we were friends with Madonna? We'd be the goddess of your god mother. God mother, we'd be the coolest kids in

school. Everybody would want to be my friend. And so Taylor to do that, it's me and girl behavior. But we shouldn't be surprised. She knew she knew who Blake was. She was fine with Blake sent

in her nasty texts about just in they were fine, giggling about it. What upset Taylor was not the

“Blake's awful was that they got caught. That's what upset her. It was that she's awful. We all”

know that if my intern, who's worked in this business hello Claire for four weeks knows that Blake's life is a monster, then Taylor Swift must know it too. And so she, it wasn't, it wasn't her bad she is the upset Taylor. It was the fact they got caught. That's what it was. You know, who else I'm now convinced is a garbage individual Hugh Jackman. He's standing up for Blake. He's standing up for Ryan. He's doing promotional videos with Ryan. He, you know, if, if the way in which

he dumped his wife of decades who gave up her career to make him famous wasn't enough to tell

us, his solidarity with those two human pieces of trash. My opinion is, oh, they know,

they know I broke that story. I broke the certain foster Hugh Jackman story and it was poor people. They were on Broadway together and he was really, really being blatant about it. They started the music man together and they were running off stage and whispering and touching and holding each other. And then when they had Matt and A's, between shows they had like two hours and should go into his dressing room and they were spent tying together really well. He's a broad energy

atmosphere. But they were not subtle about it. And then I even got invited to opening night and I saw Deb at opening night. I know Deb. He's wife and she's called. She was so proud and happy to be there and then few weeks later I was like, Deb, I didn't tell her, but I heard the whispers, he's hooking up with subtle and he's doing anything. You did or did not tell Deb? I did not tell Deb.

“I did not tell Deb. You know who told her? I think she read about it when I wrote it. So I didn't”

give her the heads up. I know. I know. And what makes you decide, Rob? I can't risk it because if I do give you the heads up once or twice it's bit me in the bottom and it's been leaked to somebody else or and it's not that I'm gossiping about this at a dinner party. This is how I make my living. I got to break these stories and so I got to protect that story and so it was a tough one. It was a tough one but I can't I can try and give people hints but I didn't tell her. Interesting. Okay.

You have another exclusive that I think this is your genius, Rob, because you notice what doesn't happen as much as what does. Your exclusive, Meghan Markle, wanted a star studied 45th birthday bash. 45 is a landmark birthday but no one came. This is in stark contrast to like the very story, baby shower she threw for herself in New York City, you know, Serena Williams was there. A mom who was there. Gayle King was there. Now nobody, nobody wants to be

around. Nobody's there. Let's be honest. If Oprah had called her up and said, "Me and Gayle are throwing you a 45th birthday." She would have said, "Fantastic. What night are we doing yet?" If the clown is called her up and said, "Come to like Cuomo and throw you up." She would have jumped on a jet. If Elton John had called them. He would have a toilet parry. Nobody wanted to do it. And if you're mean to people all the time, you end up all alone. All she's got left is Harry.

“When I think of that wedding to where we are today, it's almost inconceivable that anybody”

could blow something, blow something up that big. She had everything. Millions of people watched a billions of people were rooting for her. The mistake we forget is, the Brits loved her. When she got married, my mom, the Brits really welcomed her. When her dad was a stinker, King Charles, Wilkes had done the aisle. He heard a version of events that the dad was a stinker.

and they do this said to her, "Why don't you get together with Sophie, who is married to Prince Edward, who had worked in PR. That was the Queen's suggestion. And Sophie is going to give you it's basically lessons. How to do this?" And we're going to help your family through this because this is such an unusual way to live. We do have a handbook for it, turns out. The British royal family does, "Why don't let us help you?" No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Whatever you go to a new

job, whether it be a fucking compalence or working for me, follow the hardbook. It's never orientation.

Just like your first day at high school. A good orientation. It's there to help you. It's not that to hurt you, but this story was delicious. I could just imagine it now in Monticeita with the cars pulling up Taylor Swift to just had a big wedding and Meghan was not invited to that. She would have loved to have had that. Meghan Markle's birthday at Madison Square Garden with

“Brad Pitt and Julia Robert. That's what she wanted. She got Harry, the dogs, the kids,”

and jumping in a pool of some balloons, not the party she wanted. You know, it's got to be so

grim over there, the rage and the fury. Now, you, there's another report and I find this actually

quite, uh, I think creepy is really the only word for it. From in touch, Harry, on Prince George, the future King of England, William and Catherine's eldest attending Eton. Okay, this is I'm reading from the report. Prince Harry is taking an active interest in Prince George's upcoming stint at Eton College reveals a source, uh, who says that he, meaning Harry himself, himself still shutters over his own time there and worries that his nephew could suffer a similarly

stressful experience. Quote, it's one of the reasons Harry is so desperate to make peace with William. He wants the chance to have a relationship with George. I find this extremely creepy. Rob, you're tank. Yeah, it's creepy. It's dark, mind your business. He's got great parents. They know what they're doing, mind your business, like get your own house in order. Harry is in no position to judge any body. He's really, really not. His kids are not personally posting them, but his kids are in photographs

walking to Princess Diana's grave. If we want to talk about how kids are doing, how parents are doing, I will hold William and Kate up to Meghan and Harry any day of the week. It is extraordinary what they are going through. That little boy is going to become the King, the King of England. They are trying so hard to give him as normal a life as his possibility is not possible. There's a no phone policy at Eton which is going to be very much enforced because they don't

“want pictures of him there. I think that they're going to work closely with the British press to”

try and cut him a break and let him try and be a normal kid. It's impossible. He won't be. But for Harry to interfere in this in a way that presents himself as a hero is crude and it's crap and it's just not true. It's about Harry, not about this little boy. 100% and also to you who else went to Eton, to Eton, excuse me, William. William clearly got a lot out of it. He has lifelong friends from there and you know, so he clearly, this is his and Catherine's decision to make

where to have their son, the future King, educated. Nobody's asking Harry for his input.

No, the friend of mine, I have one post friend who went to Eton and he told me the problem is not

Eton, the problem is Harry. Harry was the problem. It didn't matter what school Harry went to.

“He was going to be a problem. I'll never forget reading this vignette in spare because it just”

knocked me sideways. He was in history class and the history was of Royal lineage. It was the history of the British Royal family and he refused to crack a book or pay attention and he writes that finally the teacher took him aside and said, are you not interested in your own blood? Do you like zero interest in your own blood? Wow. Oh, like then it kind of landed. It made it about him. It made it about him. If it's not about him, he doesn't care. This is not about you, Harry, back off.

That is such a great point. You're so right. If it's not about him and he's making this about him, you are so right. Okay. Next story, George and Amal Clooney, another Rob, exclusive Rob. You're hitting those phones like a maniac. Okay. I love this. George and Amal Clooney. This is Anna playing chess.

honoring. I am sorry. This guy is an anti-Semite John Galliano. He has had more than one instance. Okay. More than one. And after he quote unquote got sober, he was photographed by the New York post like on the streets of the city dressed in like drag as a hiscetic Joe. Like he was mocking with Judaism. He's a fucking prick. Brilliant designer, fucking asshole. Now, George and Amal have been invited to co-chair. Now, this is a very interesting move on the part of Anna. And I

wonder what's going on behind the scenes. Because Amal Clooney, this is my question for you, Rob.

Ever since she elided on the scene as the bride of the man who said he would never get married ever,

ever, or remarry he was married was before. All we've been told about Amal Clooney is that she's a human rights lawyer. Having done what? I've got no fucking idea. But apparently she's one of the top human rights lawyers. I mean, whoever's doing George's publicity, you know, they've done a great job so far, but now the nerve exists, so we're going to make you do better. Her first cousin, the late

“Zion tacky a dean if I'm saying his name right, was a convicted arms dealer. Okay, I believe a lifelong”

convicted arms dealer with links to Hezbollah and other Islamist terror groups. After October 7th, she never said a word about Israel or what was, what was committed, the atrocities there in, you know, what do they do? What is, what do George and Amal Clooney do? Which, by the way, would this have anything to do with the recent report in Star Magazine that they are under a lot of

stress and living separate lives, which we all know is the first foundational building blob to the

divorce? Yes, yeah, absolutely right here. So Anna, Anna is this very controversial, this, this, this monster, let's, who's going to get a huge award at the Meta, not honored at the Meta, honored and then an exhibition that goes on for months. Yes. And so now there was concern immediately about who's going to go, a celebrity is going to go to this. And there was a little bit of a, of a pushback of a moment where Anna started to doubt what she had done and so how does she fix this? She brings

in George and Amal Clooney. If she gets George and Amal to be fine showing up, not just showing up, but if she gets them to be co-chairs, then it gives other celebrities cover. In George Clooney

“afford to do this. That's the question. I think, I think that it's about her and a couple of days ago”

and an event, she wore a John Galliano dress. Amal did. Yes. So Amal wanted to do Amal wants this and also remember to, even though we don't know anything about Amal, we know that she threw Meghan Markle baby shower. So she likes this. She likes the publicity. She likes being around celebrity. She wants to be powerful. You don't marry George Clooney because you're a shy reserved lawyer. People that I know in the legal business wouldn't want to touch

George Clooney. They wouldn't, they wouldn't, they wouldn't, they wouldn't marry a Hollywood actor. And so she likes this life. I saw them about six months ago out together. I said a play on Broadway and they were in the audience. She was the star. She liked this. She's the one that

turned up in a ridiculously bright outfit. He slicked in and out. You always can tell that,

can't you? If people were black and just sort of slipping at the back, you get she came in electric orange or pink. I don't remember the color, but it was bright, bright, bright. And the only reason I knew it was them was because of that dress. This woman, this skinny lady walked in with huge high heels. I'm wanting to be noticed and she had a bright dress and I was like, oh, goodness it's a model and then you look next to her and it's George. She wants this. She wants Anna's

attention. She wants Anna's approval. And maybe she agrees with Anna's politics. Maybe she's but this is the question. But can George Clooney afford to show up as a co-chair at an event honoring an anti-Semite, an event by the way that the likes of Jeff Bezos and Lauren Sanchez, as he's backing away from. If you lose, if you lose, love it Sanchez. You're in a total trouble. And she's just like a model. She loves the attention. But she's a little sad here.

She's a, what does George have to lose? He's not getting hired. He's not doing much. Like, what does he, like, maybe what should happen here is, like, she should turn up a multitude

“turn up and George should be filming a film somewhere and not able to exactly. That's what will”

probably happen. Lovely. Lovely. Okay. We've also got reports that Jenna and Chanel are not getting along on the set of the today show. And that there is going to be this is a daily male plus exclusive as a fake. They are headbutting. Insiders reveal executive spheres as

thing, again, why Chanel is such a bad fit Rob? I mean, okay, you and I are New Yorkers and we're culture vultures. But you know that the smash play, oh, Mary. Right? Which is, which I love, love, love that play. I was lucky enough to see it with Cole, a school, the playwright in the performance as Mary Todd Lincoln. And the genius of that performance is it's really a drag performance. It's a drag. That's the juiciest of it. And it's so successful. It's now in the West End in London

as playing there concurrently. Chanel was like, what's that? She had never, this is like a week ago.

She never heard of, oh, Mary. Oh, no. There's no idea who Mumford and Sons are. You know, like, this is like

“basic 101. If you are hosting the fourth pop culture infused hour of the today show, you should”

know your shit. Yeah. It's not NBC news. It's pop culture. It's not, it's not politics. When you get to that hour, really, when you get to a in a clock, it starts to become pop culture. And so the whole hour is pop culture. Jenna Bush has been very, very good at adapting to this role. I don't think it's like she's said in the world on fire there. She said that she only got the job because her dad was the president. I like that she owned that. I do too. That's absolutely true. Chanel

and her are just so different. I know both of them are little bit. I've been at parties where they've both been at little little private, not big big Oscar things for house parties and a little dinner party. They're just such different characters. Chanel is from the world of news. She's from the world of local news where it's about weather and traffic and cats stuck up a tree. Oh, small. That's the world. She's from Jenna because her dad was the president of the United

States. She has a bigger view of the world and they just don't click now in Chanel's defense here. Savannah and Jenna are such mean girls and are so close on that show that nobody's allowed to

be the third wheel. Nobody's allowed into that friendship. And so I don't care who they hired.

If they hired Scarlett Joe Hanson for that job, it ultimately wouldn't work because that show is run by Savannah and Jenna and you know, it's so interesting you say that because I was watching Scarlett Joe's trial run. Yeah. And she was very vocal about wanting the job. She wanted that job. People were telling page six. Yes. She would die for that job. She wants it. She gets to stay and you know, and she was really good. She was really good. She was really good. She was at a

different level. That's the problem. Yeah. She was too good. She's too famous. She's too beautiful. There is no way Jenna butchagers going to abide that. No. So that's the real catch 22, right? Like Jenna needs a second fiddle. Yeah. But Jenna's not a star star. She's not a star. But this isn't interesting. When you hire a second fiddle because you eager went to live anybody else. You get a second fiddle. True. They complain that she's dull. You knew that Chanel was dull. You knew who she was.

“That's why you hired her. And now because the ratings are not very good. We're not going to blame”

this quote star of the show. We're going to blame Chanel. The problem with the show is not Chanel.

The problem is Jenna. The problem is Jenna. Call Kathy Lee. Get her back. And then we might

sell one. Yeah. You know those jobs before we get to our last item. I remember I interviewed Kelly Ripa years ago. I went over to ABC when Regis was retiring. And she met me in a green room and chatted and was lovely. Lovely. And I just remember thinking to myself, you know, this woman deserves whatever paycheck she's taking home because it is so rare the person who can get on TV five mornings a week and speak extraordinarily and be funny and charming and witty and always

have something to bring to the table. That's not Jenna Bush Hager. It's not in her day back. No, right about Kathy Lee. She was so good at that. She was great. If you went for drinks with Kathy Lee, I was lucky enough that I traveled with the ones we went to Seattle together. And on the plane she was cracking jokes. And the air, that's just who she is. She hasn't got enough Switch. It's who she is. Everything's like a little bit. Yeah. And then there's a cute

guy. She's like, oh, you're cute. Wow. And then the air stewardess gave her a double gin. Oh, right goodness. I love a jet. And everything's just like showbiz. That is not Jenna Bush. And it's

“certainly not Chanel. They hired a second banana. And now they're complaining about it. Do whom?”

Your own. I can't wait to see what happens next. Okay. Our last item. Which sort of is a is a it's a nice kind of rounding of today's nerve at night. It is the darker side of this stuff.

Press Hilton sister Barbara gives a heart wrenching their headline full interview after bloggers

suicide attempt. And she talks about her version of what happened to a point to a point. And then she says, I might be telling more details later, which to me, Rob. Call me a cynical creature of newsrooms for the bulk of my adult life. It sounds to me like she's shopping her story. What do you think? There's a bit there's even a big dynamic going on here. Paris has been the name, the face of that brand since the day it began. She's worked there for at

“least the last 10, 15 years. In fact, Paris has not done much. If you want to get an item on”

Paris's side, you email the sister. The sister's the workhorse. He pays for the whole family. She's earning her living because of Paris. The mother is Paris pays for everything through that blog. And I think there's a lot of resentment there. I think that she feels as if this is her time to shine. This is her moment. And she's doing interviews while the family's asking for privacy. Yes, friends of mine who know Paris are telling me shut her up, shut up. And if and when he

comes through this, he will be furious. He does not share the spotlight. He's not a past the baton type of guy. It's his name. It's his website. You do the work. I pay you for it. But I'm the star. And I think that talk about sister brother rivalry. We've all got sibling rivalry. He would not allow this to happen. If he could get on his phone and text or if he could talk to her, they'd tell her to shut the F up. And so the fact that she's sitting down doing interviews

for the first time in her life, which is probably wanting to do for a very long time. It's really

“dark. It's really cynical. And you have to be careful because don't bite the hand that feed you”

Paris's money, that website, that blog is paying for that family. You know, I was thinking about this when we were talking about Hayden, her struggles, with drugs, alcohol. I think the most dangerous addiction of all is fame. I think she shared it. I think Paris shared it. And now I think Paris's sister is in the throes of it. And her brother's own survival is not as important to her as is this her moment. Is this her norma-desmond moment? Is this her time in the spotlight?

Her time to shine. She's robbed. What what a conversation I could do. It was the best. I look forward to it every, every week. So do I. So do I. Be well and we'll see you next week.

“Take care, trouble makers. Bye, Rob. Coming up, trouble maker. Feedback. We are back in a minute.”

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the sand bags fail and Paul. I love how you have chosen to outfit the mighty o. Hey moring and

“team nerve. This is trouble maker v her header. Oprah's Stedman in quotes video get the”

fuck out of here with like a ton of laughing crying emojis. Okay that video on Megan Kelly. So I was on Megan's show last Thursday and she led with that story of Stedman being dragged out by Oprah for the first time in seven years and Megan theorized that Oprah was responding to the nerve and to Teddy Van Halen's open homicide investigation into Stedman's remains. First of all, trouble maker v writes, I call bullshit that Oprah got her former employees together

for some big anniversary party. Those people in the video probably never even worked for her.

Regardless, I have zero doubt that they were all paid handsomely and made to sign iron,

“clad and dease. I definitely agree with the latter part. Trouble maker v continues. They wield”

fake Stedman out for a 45 second video. Probably when all guests were sufficiently intoxicated, love your theory of the case. Look at me. I'm Oprah. I still have long-standing relationships with my former staff. We've never lost touch. Get the fuck out of here. That was a guy and a Stedman mask. My friend, I love this. Addendum. Dressed up as Stedman years ago on Halloween, he bought a Stedman gram full head, very realistic rubber mask online, Marlena. If you would.

If you would, it's not a cafe. Okay, you can do this. There were Stedman masks everywhere. I can't find one anywhere now. Not even on eBay. No pictures. Nothing. No evidence that they ever existed.

“Huh? You guys have Oprah on the run. Oprah. I was watching the YouTube version of the nerve.”

You were covering Opus Oprah's excuse me podcast. I noticed the audience members of Sted podcast. And they look picture perfect. Perfect hair. Perfect to make up. Perfect clothes. A little to perfect. Is there anything authentic about Oprah at all? Trouble maker Suzanne. The only authentic thing about Oprah is that she's out for herself. That's it. My opinion, my opinion, dear Maureen. I am an OG nerve troublemaker, manly man with a manly job who loves to have lots of

hot heterosexual sex. Love out loud in friends. I crack up. When you say that,

troublemaker Pete writes that he came across our first episode while going through a very

difficult time. In my marriage, I can happily say my wife and I have reconciled and are in one of the best phases of our life. Together we are so thrilled to hear this troublemaker Pete congrats. Congrats. And he says the nerve helped him through that difficult period and is sending all good wishes to the dogs and to me and Marlena. Priorities, the dogs first, of course. Heather. Coffee. Really. Dear Queen, TM. Trouble maker Heather here. I just caught wind of people

criticizing you for your caffeine intake. I hope it's being brought up out of some type of concern and not criticism. Trouble maker Heather, not to worry. It's Teddy who's getting getting the concern and a bit of criticism for upping his caffeine intake. I mean, he says, listen, running homicide. It's not for the week, but I do I do worry about his caffeine intake. Okay. Dear Marine, hope you are on the road to recovery. I am. Thank you guys all for your concern

and your, you know, exhortations to rest and I take all of them under advisement. Now, regarding our segment on Ariana Grande and our discussion of the tragedy of Karen Carpenter, this Trouble Maker Trouble Maker J, it reminded me of another once in a generation talent with similar issues,

the amazing Gilder Radner. I recently watched Love Gilder and it discussed how her issues started

advice, it was suggested that she sustained herself on saccharine and tab that used to be a soda

“no longer exists, which may have contributed to her cancer. What stood out to me was that once she”

and Gene Wilder got together and she felt love, he was the one who convinced her to eat to enjoy life the way he embraced it. When we see Ariana Grande and her current state, I see someone who

grew up working in that horrible Nickelodeon system and never had someone truly love her enough

to convince her to enjoy life. Sadly, in my opinion, it is pretty obvious that the people around her see a cash register and there is no love. Let's hope that a medical team is going to be with her on tour to keep her well and that she can find the same happiness Gilder did love your email. To more high, Maureen, this is a mirror of what Rob and I were just discussing regarding Brad Pitt.

“Trouble-maker R says I think Brad Pitt's public announcement of the end of his sobriety was intended”

to be a big f-u to Angie and the kids. I wonder if he was aware of their plan to drop his last name and this public declaration that he was no longer sober was his way of trying to project that he has done trying. I would imagine that the kids are fairly sensitive to the thought of him using alcohol. So this appears to be an attempt to retaliate. It feels vindictive just my opinion. I don't think he's used to getting rejected. It's like the celebrity version of taking his ball

and going home. Very, very good theory. I love it, Trouble-maker R. Finally, from a mo broch,

Trouble-maker R, Dear Maureen, and crew, I have some questions. Oprah has always

bragged about her girls and referred to them as her confidence. This raises questions about whether she simply sought recognition and then abruptly abandoned them. These are the girls who attend her Oprah Winfrey leadership academy for girls which she founded in South Africa and which she announced out of the blue a couple of weeks ago is closing and the nerve really wonders what the real reason is. We really, really do. Watch our many. If you have an avail yourself,

watch it. We've got some really good reporting in there. This Trouble-maker R, it seemed Oprah was regularly updated on the staff and students but she chose to ignore them or not tell us the whole story. I wonder if she genuinely investigated the backgrounds of the staff and students given the tools that she has. It makes me wonder if she's not being honest about the incidents at the school. I also want to express my appreciation for Teddy. Teddy's gonna love this. I created this for him and

he even has his own desk and we are showing a full screen of this Trouble-maker R. It's so incredible.

Here is Teddy. What can't this little dude do? What can't he do? He's got an investigative staff that's now got two dogs on it. Puppy Trouble and Rookie Boone. We've got other applicants including big back from the Trouble-maker cohort and he's also doing a broadcast, a nerve news broadcast. Teddy, Chief, watch dog and reporter. Teddy's notes. Eyes open, ears up. Facts first. No nonsense. Breaking news. I've got my eyes open. Reporting the stories. Others won't with a paw print.

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