Prince Harry's Solo Trip to London, Taylor Swift's Questionable Ties, and Oprah's Backlash

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We begin with celebrity reporter, non-per-el rob shooter. He is here to give us the true inside dish on Taylor and Travis's wedding monstrosity over the holiday weekend.

“Okay, we're talking the real talk about fake people.”

It's not like, oh, Tom Cruise was there. And so and so want to Chanel that? No, no, no, no. This is the deep dark underbelly from the NDAs. That every guest including the moms, Taylor's mom, Travis's mom.

They design NDAs to attend the wedding of their own children. Blake lively, banished from the realm forever. Her psycho arsonist husband, Ryan Reynolds, banished from the realm forever. And then we've got a lot more to talk about. Prince Harry, Bucking up yet again.

A UK return that would have seen him welcome to allegedly reportedly with pretty open arms by King Charles. He's already fucking that up.

“We're going to talk about what's happening with Annie Cohen.”

We think there's a lot of trouble in the offing. A lot. We've got some Oprah litigation to get to end. A legend of the music world who died while we were dark. And who is being loaded as a genius, a visionary.

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Grab a copy. Rob, I missed you on our week off. I missed you so much, and I was thinking so much about how we were going to discuss this Taylor, this vlog or display of ostentatious wealth.

What do you know about the so-called, what I'm calling the fuck around and find out clause? The infidelity clause. Taylor allegedly had her daddy insert, this is so weird. Her father allegedly crafted this thing, and she was like dad, I need you to put in a clause that when Travis pucks around on me with like a 19-year-old model on only fans,

it's going to cost him 20 million bucks. That'll go right into my bank account. What are we now? I don't know if this is a damn dear, but my sources are saying the same as yours. I do know I reported first that her dad was involved, and this period of her dad has been involved

in her business in her career since she was a really young girl, and he's never really that girl.

“And I think we have to give him some credit there.”

That's certainly got her to be the biggest star in the world, but the $2 billion. That is something that many talented people don't have because they have terrible business managers. They have terrible people advising him. So we know from pop stars that go bankrupt or fire for bankruptcy, else in John has and others. They can be really talented.

They can sell millions of records, Michael Jackson, hundreds of millions of records, and still being financial disarray. Taylor doesn't operate like that. She runs her company. She runs her life like a Fortune 500 company.

And that's why she's worth $2 billion. So this does not surprise me at all. Travis has a history. He's somebody who has been very generous with these love in the past. And so Taylor, I think, has an eye on this.

And also too, she's got a hot broken so many times. She knows what heartache feels like. She can cope with heartache. She can write another song. What she can't cope with is when when it hurts a bottom line.

And so she's made sure my sources are telling me that this is all cut. Rob, not since the Nicole Kidman cocaine clause that we learned about. You know, my question is if you're doing this, I sort of mentioned this the other day. Like, I would think you'd have to have great Asians of cheating, right? What if he's just caught like getting orally serviced in the back of a night club or a strip club somewhere?

Is that a $20 million offense?

Is that more like a $10 million offense? What if Travis after a fair amount of time as a married couple of lapses communicates an STD to Taylor? What kind of financial hit is that going to take for him? All right, are you starting way way up the list? I thought you were going to start with just a timbre like everybody was caught holding hands in their leads.

“That's how I was started the great in yours.”

You're sweeter than I am. You're sweeter than I am. I think you have a point here. What is cheating? What is the point of no return?

What does this cost you financially? Ultimately though, let's be really clear here.

If he is caught cheating on Taylor Swift, I don't care how many millions he's going to have to pay her.

He's over, he's lost, he's going to lose so much money. Keith Urban is feeling this right now. When you mess about, when you get divorced from America's sweetheart and maybe even Australia's sweetheart, the financial implications are not the money that I have to send you through the lawyers, but it's in loss of income.

Let's be honest. Travis is now one of the most famous football players in the world. He was famous before people knew him within sports. People in the entertainment business certainly didn't know him. My friends didn't know him.

Now we do. Now he's getting jobs on television. He's going to be Michael Straheim.

“When he leaves playing football, I think he has another year or so.”

He'll be hooked up immediately with all the networks, the streamers, because he's Mr. Taylor Swift. And so any price, anything get the freedom is just that. That's the beginning of the financial disaster. The disaster will be if you burn her, if you burn Taylor Swift.

Everybody's taking Taylor's side in this. And when I say everybody, I'm not talking about her friends from high school. I'm not talking about her mom and dad. I'm talking about NBC. I'm talking about Netflix. I'm talking about every major company in the world

that wants to be in business with Swift. And they all do. He's going to burn all of them. Don't do it. Don't do it. Don't do it because it is the wrong thing to do. And be, it will end your career. True words, regrettable, your absolutely right.

Another exclusive from you, Rob, over at Naughty, but nice. Blake Lively and my addendum, psycho arsonist Ryan Reynolds,

They feel this is a quote from your source completely humiliated.

“This is the kind of public embarrassment you never forget.”

Now, the Daily Mail also had reporting, "Oh, you've got this. This is great. When virtually, this is the quote from your source. And virtually every major celebrity in Hollywood is under one roof. And you are not. People immediately start asking questions.

The optics could not have been worse. And so the Daily Mail's reporting was also that Blake said, "This is absolutely it. This friendship is beyond repair.

It can never be rekindled."

And to me, that's very much like, "Well, you can't fire me because, like, what?" Like, Taylor dumped you months ago, Sister. Taylor dumped her and it's humiliating that this wedding is as big and ridiculous and circus-life as it became. When you've got George Stephanopoulos there, who should barely know. It's like, they don't know each other.

When you've got Jennifer Lopez there, they don't know each other. Reese with a spoon. They don't, they don't, they don't. How crews? The party game at this wedding. I spoke to three, four people who were at the wedding.

The party game was that the question was, "How do you know the bride?" And most of them didn't have an answer. They don't really know her. So the fact people were invited who really do,

“they went back and back and back and back and back and back.”

And Harry had the clunys and them wedding. And the clunys were like, "We don't really know that." Well, a lot of people felt that way about Taylor and Travis. They can't even text her, "Thank you for the invite." They don't have a email. They don't have a email.

They don't know, Taylor Swift. And so they're at this wedding. And the black lively wasn't invited. If the wedding had been like the candidates. If they sent them 20 people on an island in a little shirt.

Like, had it been that small. Blake could have at least held a higher head up. A little higher and pretended. You know, this was a very intimate wedding. This was just for fun. It wasn't.

It was a circus. And everybody, though, who wasn't invited. It's not just Blake here, though. It's people that are really angry. I've spoke to a couple of people who were like, "Well, she's going to invite Seth Meyers,

who shows she won't even appear on. She just valid. Why am I?" Not even Andy Cohen. Where was Andy Cohen's invite? Like, he would have loved to have gone to this opening.

Oh, yeah. One of the names I'm hearing. And this is a big one. And I'm working on this story right now.

You can have it first, my friend.

Where was Kamala Harris? She endorsed Kamala Harris. Great. Why wasn't she invited? Great point.

It's like, the names that you're hearing. I mean, like, we were talking about, I want to talk to you too about, like, "What is the deal with this raffle?" These games, and she forced them all to play in order to win raffle tickets.

That Julia Roberts was like, "Please don't let me win the car. Julia Roberts was there." Julia Roberts was there. She's never... They gave him raffle away.

So they had tons of prizes. But the big one was a car.

“I think it was a Mustang convertible that we saw.”

I think it was a Chevy. It was a 1970 Chevy. That was the same make and model that they drove off in in their first date. Nobody gives a shit, Taylor. But to me, this is, like, a humiliation ritual where it's like,

you're going to make Julia Roberts move over to some part of the car. And where she has to participate in a game of ski ball. To see if she can win a shit... She's the face of, like, lank home. You know, Emma Stone's there.

She's, like, the face of Louis Vuitton. They don't need the likes of Taylor Swift dulling out, like, as Chanel bag. It's a humiliation. It is a humiliation.

I think Taylor still sees the world for the eyes of a teenage girl. This was her dream wedding. And she just really wanted that magical moment. I guess good for her.

But she never took a step back here.

And this is what makes us very nervous. We started talking about the pre-nup. Taylor Swift is absolutely ruthless. What it comes to business. And I mean that with total respect is isn't the same person

that planned this wedding. The person that decided to buy her masters to re-record her masters to be one step ahead of everybody. When she put out her movie at AMC cinema, she could out the middle people.

Yeah. So, she negotiated the deal. And then to see this event at the garden, it's so not cool. It's so not New York. Everybody in New York knows the garden's a dump.

It's just, it's so true. It's just the dirtiest oldest. And that dirty train station, the lower it, the better try to fix everything around the garden. It's just where you don't want to go any night.

Forget the night you're getting married.

And the celebrities that turned up, I don't blame them if I got invited. I would not miss that freak show. It's better than the Michael Jackson. Lysam and Ellie wedded.

“They don't look like something like that.”

Yes, that's me, too. This is a great reference. Oh, it does that list. Taylor, Michael Jackson, Davis. Yes, yes, yes.

Yes, yes, it's as gullish as vulgar as that few little things that I do want to point out that that made me chuckle when I had my team over there, stalking that place out for three days. The security was too tight and several celebrities

were disappointed because they put up a tent. So you couldn't see who actually arrived. So the celebrity names that were surprising each other with the Julia Roberts on the Tom Cruise. There's no photographs of them arriving

because they actually had a tent.

I've never seen this before.

I've seen tents over red carpets. I've seen them at the Oscars and the Golden Globes. But after you drove your car in, they pulled a curtain shut. So there was no pictures of you getting out of that car.

Well, several celebrities were a little bit tips pissed about that because they wanted to be seen. Leave it done and roll down the window of her car. Yes. We didn't need to see her.

Mariska hearteday. Wow, it's a get it. This is like getting the Golden Ticket. If you only had gone to this,

“I would've said, "Morning, we're walking."”

So what I just wanted to see was walking. Yeah, take it to you. We're walking. I'd said there was adjacent sedakers. One too to be seen.

It did need to be seen. Yes. See the diamond literally wound down the window of the car that was provided by Taylor Swift to get her in and out in secrecy.

People that wanted to be seen were seen, now we're seeing on social media, that Taylor Swift did this for privacy. She's not private. She is the largest, first celebrity in the world.

She has used romance, breakups, childhood trauma for songs. This is somebody who is the opposite of private. However, she does it on her own terms. She lets us know about her life normally

when she's financially gaining from that. And I'm told this wedding was filmed. That was my next question. It was filmed. There was professional photographers inside.

The reason that she didn't want cameras

“was not because she was frightened of the picture”

of Julia Roberts eating a pork chop. They wouldn't care. She wasn't cared if Tom Cruise stole a daffodder. They didn't get that wasn't what they were scared about. They were scared that it lowers the price

when she finally sells this to a big streaming service. God of the days where you could make ten,

15 million dollars from people magazine or okay.

She's not going to make the money there. Where she's going to make the money is not in the photograph but in the streaming and our project. We won't see anything until lefty all's done. It's so reptilian to me.

It's so reptilian. And we started off talking about how if Travis cheats like he will be done commercially. But I would like to see the culture get to the point where we would all be like, you know what?

Good for him. She's a fucking nightmare. This whole wedding is a corporate brand merger. She's all about monetizing it. So she can sell it to whatever streamer's going to pay

the highest price. There's probably going to be a companion album that will have 35 versions. So she can knock off Olivia Rodrigo or whoever else dares to release new music during that time period.

It's so disgusting. And like when she asks for privacy upon this divorce, upon Travis getting caught with an influencer who's 19 years old. The answer is a no.

It's all of our business now. All of our business. And as I asked him my daily mail column, where's she going to give birth? Grand Central Station.

How do you fucking top this shit? I chuckled when I saw that.

First of all, the culture will get back

there, but we need two more years of the nerve. You're getting them all rain. Okay. You know what? That's, yes.

I think we're doing. You want me to work it? Yeah. We will get there. We're not there yet.

But it's just also vulgar. And you know, I used to be a Swiftie until two days ago. The only thing that gave me any solace is that they expected and it didn't happen.

They expected thousands of people. You know, you're so right. She expected all of her Swifties to show up and like hold vigil out there. And scream and cry.

She thought it should. Nobody did. They thought that when they used those giant video screams on the garden, all around the garden, they have these massive screens as high as a bus.

At 730, when the screens turned purple and said, just married, she thought she was going to get a stand-in ovation. Yes. Down from outside the garden, she would be able to hear.

that there were two police men at 400 press people at 35 fans. That the weather was awful. I'll give her that. But they thought they were going to shut down

that part of time with Swifties. They didn't show. They were not there. They were not there.

And get this for the first time in a long time.

More in her music. It's not doing very well. I looked on the charts to see if she got a bump. Because normally when something big happens. But even something bad when someone passes away.

That means it gets a bump bad burning after the Super Bowl went through the roof. I was just morning to check the charts. Not only did she not get a bump. She's selling glass.

Then she's been selling for. Wow. Something going on. I like this. I think you're right.

“And I think that this wedding is such a huge miscalculation.”

I am sure that she and her team think of it as a major win. Yeah. That's going to have a long tail with the resulting film in album.

What have you? And I actually think it's a total loss.

And I think what really did it. It too is like you're seeing this online. She is a billionaire who shut down a huge chunk of New York City. The nation's largest transit hub during a heat wave on a holiday weekend. 18,000 people were without power.

So that she could light up the garden for her wedding. You know, it's like rules for the not for me. She's no longer. The little Taylor Swift who gets her heartbroken by all these mean famous men. No, she's a fucking raging malignant narcissist.

Just my opinion. Yeah. I think that I suddenly think Laura's side chest looks like Mary Poppins. Right. Looks like a quasi-carried person.

But what Jeff Basis did in when he got married in Venice. And there was a lot of protests about that. And people said how tone deaf it was.

“This reminds me less of that and more like when gay or king went to the moon.”

Remember when she was an astronaut. Yes. As soon as it's it's so so. And I've got to say again the reason I'm helping on about this. It's unlike Taylor.

She was always who she was.

But the press around her. The way that she framed herself. We're absolutely brilliant. There should be master classes in PR on Taylor Swift. She created this bubble.

And it just burst by her own doing. She burst her own bubble. Our last item before we move on from Taylor, which was is so good. And leave it to you Rob to break this. Not only did every guest at this wedding.

Again, these are people who have been famous the bulk of their lives. And who understand discretion. Sign an NDA. But every member of each of Taylor's family. And Travis's family, including the mothers had to sign an NDA.

And again, when you can't trust your new groom. Not to fuck around on you to the tune of a $20 million clause. And you make your mother sign an NDA.

“I think you've got huge fucking problems.”

You've got problems. You've got problems. The reason her family signed it is they couldn't ask his family and not hers. And it's his family that the loose got. And he's got the member the Thomas Markles who I adore.

Make a Markles father with his loose lips. Travis's family. It's bigger. It's loose a lift. I would argue it's more fun.

They know the party these Kelsey still. The brothers got loose lips. They aren't funny. The mom and the data. It's just a different set up.

The swiffs run the trains on time. I don't think there's any worry about her brother Austin or her mom and her dad. The swiffs. The Travis's family, the Kelsey's. Are something that she along the road is going to have to deal with.

Because she's not going to shut them up. They are who they are. They've got so much money. They're not talking about drug deals or prostitution rings. The worst they're going to say is we didn't like her dress.

Or we thought the flowers were not bit like that. That's what they're going to say. They're regular people who have been shot into this world of not just fame. This is not jailer than Ben Affleck. This is not Jessica Simpson and Dick.

This is as big as it gets. We've done this a long time. This is as big as it gets. This is Michael Jackson big. This is the Beatles big.

This is Elvis Fresley big. And that takes a lot. This is a royal family big. This is that big. And for a to be an ordinary family who have two sons.

It was star football players and a millions of dollars. That's a big adjustment. But certainly to be sitting next to Tom Cruise and Julia Roberts. And Stephen Spielberg, it's a different league. And I worry that there is no there's no map. There's no course.

There's no tutorial to teach family members how to operate in this world. And that's why they all have to sign this, this NDA.

You're a lot of of your family members embarrass me.

They're embarrassing. They're kind of like, wait, trash.

“We the swifts over here know how to comport ourselves in front of the likes Julie Roberts.”

You know, like, like, oh, God forbid, like you say something that, like, you know, is a little bit cross in front of Julia Roberts out of wedding. That is crosser than cross. There's no half these people. Hey, don't offend the famous people. I don't even know. Why just invited for, you know, whatever, clicks and likes.

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He was extended an invitation by his father, King Charles, to stay at Buckingham Palace. He hethered and dethered to the point where he said, "Yeah, I'd love to do it." And they said, "Too late." You didn't respond. You didn't RSVP in time and we simply cannot accommodate you.

On top of this, the reports are now that Meghan and the children will not be joining Harry. And it is just their brand is chaos, Rob. Their brand is chaos, this guy. And you see something like this. And you're like, of course, William and Catherine want nothing to do with him.

He cannot simply effectuate a family visit without drama and headlines every five seconds. And addicted to it, they're addicted to it, almost like real high vibes.

“And I think here it's our fault that once we reward them with bad behavior by giving them attention, they're going to bite us.”

And so they have got, they're the naughty puppy that pees in the hallway. So I have dogs. Yeah, even the hallway because they need to pee, they pee because they want your attention. And if you reward them, they'll keep peeing in the hallway. We've rewarded Harry and Meghan. And I'd argue, actually, we haven't in the big picture because I think it's pretty much over for them.

But they don't see it like that. They think that if they scream and shout and stamp their foot and throw their toys out of the prime that the royal family backed out. And they do. Remember when had dad humiliated her and she had nobody to walk it down the aisle, the king stepped up. It's not his daughter. He doesn't love it. Well, but King Charles was there for him.

And then I think King, the king offered them a palace because it would be part of the extra layer of security that Harry demands to have for Meghan. And the children, so when everybody was coming, when the two grandkids were coming, Meghan and Harry, he was really generous saying, "Stay at a palace and then you get this 24 hour armed security that you won't get otherwise. Otherwise, you'll be really secure on the grounds of the palace. Every palace in Britain has that layer of security.

So if you're in that bubble, you'll be just fine. You'll probably be fine outside of the bubble too. But if that's not what Harry will get you in the bubble. What I want listeners, what I want viewers to understand though, is Buckingham Palace is not a hotel. So a few of my friends have been like, "Oh, that's so rude. It's got 500 rooms. They can find a room for him." And I'm like, "No, no, no. It's not the Hilton. That they have to assign staff."

Yeah. It's staff who work for Minna, and my wage, people in the palace are earning 50, 60,000 pounds a year. They're not making hundreds of thousands of pounds dollars a year. And so the maid and the cleaning staff and the cook, and all those people that go into putting this one idea in a real empty castle,

Am I going to have to call Effel today who is the maid who lives in Britain to come into with that?

It's just the logistics. It's so rude. If you want an extra room at the Hilton or at the doorchester of fancy hotel in London, it's pretty easy to get because they are set up to do that. This is not booking in palace. It's not real. It's like a facade. It's an office building. Nobody lives there. It's drafting. It's quite smelly. I've been a few times. The carpets need a good cleaning. Like it is a dirty old museum.

“That's what it feels like. And it's there for functions like balls.”

It's there for heads of states. And even when Trump came, they did the party at Windsor.

Not looking in palace. It was at Windsor. And so for Harry to stay at Buckingham Palace, it logistically makes no sense. And the fact that he did that about it, my sources tell me, he rejected them. When they offered it him, they said, "No, thank you." And then they changed their mind. But they didn't have it in writing that he passed. And it would not surprise me if the palace doesn't leak that. They have it. They have that he said,

"No, we're fine." And then he changed his mind. But he didn't tell them. He was changing his mind.

He did an interview. His people put out a statement saying he's staying at Buckingham Palace.

On a Monday, he was meant to be turning up on that month. They didn't know.

“You can't just rock up somewhere. If you want to stay at my apartment, I've got to spare cash.”

But you shouldn't tell me you're coming. I mean, I'm probably will squeeze you in. But you shouldn't give me it like this. 24 hours no matter what it is. He's just rock it up. And he knows better. He's not making. He grew up in this prison. He grew up in this organisation. He knows what Buckingham Palace is. And so, I fear here that it feels like a setup. It feels like the king just can't do anything right where I think this is Harry's problem.

They run a very tight organisation. They have their trades. They have their picnic. They have all their royal stuff. And it runs beautifully. Nobody isn't better organised than Buckingham Palace. If ever you've been to an event there or seen a royal event on the TV, it takes hours and hours of trained professionals to put that off. They know how to do this. The problem's not there. It's Harry. And for someone who says, I cannot come back without layers of security that our taxpayer funded that are dedicated to royal protection.

Let us not forget that it was only last summer. I believe that Harry was caught on a ring camera. Rolling around some neighborhood in London. Like in front of two trash bins, are you home? Are you home? Are you home? Are you home? Is like college shirt was open? He looked like worse for where. It looked like very early morning light. You either are a target sir or you are not. It cannot be both. Okay. Why do you think it is that Megan, I mean, we can we can guess.

But this seems very, very cherished to me. And again, one of those things where it's like, they are constantly suiling their own beds. Why not bring the children to see the king? Why not just do it? Why not do it? Why not do it? Because it has to be on their terms. And when they have learned and history, unfortunately, has proven them right. So when they scream and shout, they get what they want. They want this arrangement. They're still angry. They want to be part time royals. And they're going to keep pushing and pushing until they get that.

And if they can manipulate this silly old man, he's a nice man, but Charles is not a strong man. If they can manipulate him, they will keep doing it. In fact, God, we've got William in this family. Thank goodness that Williams, the only one who's willing to stand up to these two fools who want to be part time royals. And if they're part time royals, they get all the privileges of the royal family with none of the work. And it also to it helps there. If they're still royals, it helps their business ventures to, they can sell their tea towels, they can sell their mugs, they can sell their key chains with the royal symbol on it.

“Because it does still count for something. They didn't realize that when they left the family, what they were running away from is the only thing that made them a valuable, which is the royal seal.”

And so if they went back into this family, part time is what they want. They know that the money flows. They need money more in. I did not think that the sexes and I don't think the royal family have figured this out yet. The sexes are a ticking time bomb. The money is going to run out. And when the money runs out from legitimate sources, you get money from shady sources. The Jeffrey Epstein's of this world step in. And once they go down that route, I would not be surprised if Putin doesn't start.

It's not getting better more in as the money gets tighter and tighter. It's going to get worse.

Wow, you're so right about that. You would think they would have learned from Andrew. They seem to have escaped that crisis by the skin of their teeth.

“But you're absolutely right. And I think Megan is a shallow and vain glorious and greedy as Sarah Ferguson.”

Oh, absolutely. The best thing that Megan could do is hook up with Travis Kelsey. I thought, like, you know what I love. I will move on from this. But like so Prince William did Travis and Jason Kelsey's podcast new heights, which was published on July 3rd, the beginning of the Taylor Travis wedding monstrosity getting underway.

But what he was doing was talking football and sport. I think William's like the head of.

He was talking to two brothers who are in the same exact line of work who get along. One is more famous than the other. One is wealthier than the other now. But it doesn't matter. They like each other. They're cool. They're brothers who ride together. And there's William by himself carrying on this very affable fun conversation on the eve of this wedding. And to me that is a statement that is he is one half of a brotherly unit that no longer exists. Yeah, yeah, you're absolutely right. And just a few months ago Travis and Taylor were in London and they had a private meeting with Kate and William. There was no press. Nobody knew about it.

My sources at the palace even they don't even, they don't know. And I talked to some really senior people there.

“The four of them got together like four regular people. And I think there's a real real bond there. Taylor's made it very clear which side of this she's on. And I think now you've got to pick a side. I really do what Harry's doing.”

You could shake him. He had this almost in his hands. He was ready to bow down. I know it. The king was ready to welcome this son back. He beats him again. He's just it's chaos. It's chaos. It's going to get worse. It's going to get worse. Speaking of chaos over at CNN. Your exclusive rob from naughty but nice, Andy Cohen's CNN days are numbered under new owners sources telling naughty but nice that insiders increasingly believe Cohen could be among the first high profile casualties once the network's ownership changes people are already talking inside the business as though his time is winding down.

He is a liberal New Yorker who has never hidden his disdain for Trump and MAGA world many insiders don't see him fitting into the next chapter. Now this we're talking about Barry Weiss coming in. She's already she's rolling heads over at CBS and it's a mess over there. Andy's best friend Anderson Cooper quit 60 minutes. He said he did not want to work for Barry Weiss. If she comes over to CNN Anderson may walk from CNN but she is reportedly allegedly no fan of Andy's what do you know. Yeah, that's exactly right. Barry Weiss the sky sky dance sky horse, they're going to get CNN. It's the same people that bought CBS and you know surprise when you get a new boss they bring in their people that there's no there's no shame in that there's nothing about that that that is wrong.

“What what is wrong is is thinking that you can somehow somehow you're so important to an organization that it can't continue with action and is a really easy person to fire.”

He works for four hours once a year under years of this year. He was on a few days ago because of the fourth of July, but that was a special and that show was always very controversial within CNN.

The drunken, the man thing off, the going after the mayor, the going after Trump, the going after public officials, it always made journalists at CNN very very young comfortable. But the ratings were good and he's best friend got him the job. I get that Anderson Cooper has a lot of power at CNN, but the staff, the people that really do the work, not on camera, the people behind the scenes working day in day. I'm on real credible journalism, they never liked Andy Cohen. He turned up as a showpony and he's reading it and he would admit that.

And his and his success is that he's so over the top and he has very stronger opinions and in a Wendy Williams type of way he would say them and that's what has made him so successful at bravo and what has made him so successful doing that New Year's Eve countdown at CNN.

Andy too insulted them, he used to be an intern at CBS, he was a book but I first met Andy, he was a booker on the morning show at CBS. And so they asked him what he thought about the new management and he said it's a mess and it's falling apart. You can't criticize people, this isn't just in TV, it's any job. I can't say terrible things about somebody who's going to be my boss. If I'm buying your company, I'm going to come in, I'm going to give you all the chance, but if you can't keep that mouth shut, you're going to be gone. And Andy doesn't need this job financially, I think he likes it because it's another job he loves being on TV, although he gets enough hours on TV every day, you think he would be happy.

But Andy's going to be, but that's just the tip of the iceberg, Andy's a easy to fire, they can fire Andy and nobody will notice, the big questions are going to be Anderson. What are they going to do, Anderson? He's made it very clear, he won't work with Barry Weiss will get well, guess what? She's in a new boss, so leave.

Anderson will leave, Andy will be fired and the two of them will start a podcast together.

That's what's going to happen. And by the way, I think that this will really hurt Andy Cohen, like I think emotionally this will be a huge blow to his ego Rob, because forever he has been trying to catapult himself out of Bravo into media gigs that feel more credible at least to him, right? Forever he is wanted that chair next to Kelly Ripper. Yes. Yes. Yes. I knew it when he's Instagram, he's Twitter changed from Bravo Andy to Andy. He took the brawl. He used to be Bravo Andy and that's not his Andy. He loves the money from the highest lines, he loves the fact that he's just bought a new house in the Hampton. He loves the brawl.

“He doesn't want that on the future. He doesn't want the stench of Bravo. And so, Andy would love to legitimize himself. And I think that's what he's tried to do, particularly if this big court case coming up Liam's.”

He's one of the highest five so New York is, has she said she's got receipt, she's got emails, she's got, she's got the receipt and she's going to show them.

You're right. Andy, CNN legitimized Andy. He would have loved and so it's going to hurt him more than Anderson Cooper who has Vanderbilt money. He doesn't need this job. Do not feel bad for Anderson Cooper. In fact, when I look at his ratings, I'm shocked he hasn't been fired before. He's not really delivering in the way that he's not, you know, Sean Hannity, Rachel Madder, you might disagree with what are their politics, maybe both of them, maybe. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they do deliver. They're, absolutely. They're stars. They deliver eyeballs that stick around.

Like Anderson is just a name. He's speaking like, who else does CNN have Caitlin Collins? Those are the only two names I know it's CNN.

The one that I do here that will probably stay, and he's already pivoted is Jake Tappa.

“Oh, that guy. Yeah. That's what he does. How to keep a job. He's going to become Barry White's new best friend.”

The Spineless Cornless, just my opinion, Jake Tappa. Okay, now we have got to talk about Oprah Winfrey in an interview at 2026, the Can Lion International Festival of Creativity. That's one way to put it. Oprah claims that Whitney Houston fell off of her stage off of Oprah's stage because she was high on drugs during a performance on the Oprah Winfrey show in 2009, but not so fucking fast. Because Whitney Houston's a state responded in an Instagram post published on June 24th, a statement from the estate of Whitney Houston reads Whitney absolutely fell off stage.

I'm quoting from this, but it was during a sound check, and it was due to the darkness of the area and the unfamiliarity that she had with the stage. She was absolutely not high.

“This story was picked up by several media outlets, like many people Whitney faced personal battles, but it is inaccurate and unfair to attach that struggle to every performance or every chapter of her life. What do you know, Rob?”

As somebody who's met Whitney Houston several times, I saw her once backstage at a Clive Davy Scrammy party and I like she was as high as a kite. Arguing that Whitney was not high is a really difficult argument. That's such a shame. If we're in a debate society and we're going to split the class up and half of us are going to debate that Whitney was sober and half is going to debate that she was on drugs. Let's go with the drug side. That's not like it's going to win that debate because it's just so hot. Like it's a really hard thing to argue because she clearly abused drugs.

It is the most well organized, well lit, well managed show I've ever been to.

The idea that somebody could accidentally trip and fall off this stage, like it was a state fair that this was just some random stage that had been popped up in a little bit. Popped up in a little podcast studio. It's not like that. It is so well rehearsed. It is so well run. I've been to GMA in the today show whether or not you like those shows. They are well run and they're well lit and they're stages there and they just wouldn't allow somebody because of the liability. You imagine if an audience member fell off their chair. It's not that. I've been into some really dodgy off broadway theatres where the light is a little rough and you could fall down the steps. It's not that. This is going to the majestic.

This is going to radio city. It's that well lit. It's that well organized. I get why I think I get why the family is fighting this.

“I think they would have done better to have said nothing because Whitney nice baiting the cake. If you want to listen to Whitney Houston CDs, you don't need to believe that she was sober. You've forgiven that. You know that.”

And so I think that the fighting and argument here where they might be right. That particular day Whitney Houston might have been sober. We'll never know because there was no sobriety test. There was no drug test. But if you're going to throw a dot into the calendar of Whitney Houston, it's probably going to land on a day that she was doing drugs. Yeah, I think maybe what it is is it feels gratuitous and putting down for Oprah to divulge this unnecessary fact when we all know how mightily Whitney struggled.

That's the problem. That's not whether or not it happened. It's why are you telling this. Exactly. And I think that response would have been better if I was doing the publicity for the Whitney estate. I'd say don't deny it.

“What did you do? What did you gain from this? Why did you need to have to shove it? Diana throws one more time that she struggled. Where's the compassion?”

Probably because Whitney was a natural beauty, a rare God given talent and you know, maybe Oprah relates to the struggle. You know, her platonic best friend Robin Whitney Houston. We now know was something more, you know, maybe there's something about Whitney that strikes the nerve with Oprah. I don't know, but I think it was mean and gratuitous and you know, leave her her dignity in that. Yeah, it's punching Diana isn't it. You know, I'm no improving for you, but when I, before I hit post on my sub stack or what my podcast wherever I'm working, I was asked myself like, are you punching Diana?

And if I am, I don't post it. Don't do that. Now, admittedly, Oprah is so high. Is there anybody else that she can talk about? Yes, there is. There isn't. So to go after a dead black singer who's no longer can defend themselves who clearly struggled with substance abuse. I was shot to the Oprah picture. Member Oprah show was on for decades. There are millions of examples of people behaving badly at the Oprah show and she could have found a really funny, a really silly, a really enlightening moment.

“And yeah, there was something, I think you're right. Something about Whitney, um, presses her buttons.”

So you mentioned Clive Davis and I think this is our final, our final topic, but you know, Clive Davis was a legend in the music industry. And he discovered many artists, signed many artists, among them, Sean Diddy Combs Kelly Clarkson, who it is your exclusive will not attend Clive Davis's funeral. Yeah, she was not there.

Um, now here's what the mainstream media will not report about Clive Davis, but it's well known in the music industry that he was a bad bad guy.

And it's well known in the music industry that he reportedly allegedly made Sean Combs perform with him sexually in order to get a record deal. Page six reporting that Shug Knight, who I believe is still in prison himself names powerful music execs who allegedly use drugs alcohol and sex to control Diddy Usher and Justin Bieber. He is Shug Knight is the former death row records CEO. Um, he's serving 28 years behind bars for running over and killing a man told news nation that his artists used to only smoke weed, but allegedly got into heavier drugs once they were signed.

Those guys, night said introduced cocaine to my, I mean, I find it hard to believe that the first time they got introduced to cocaine was by the likes of Clive Davis, but you know, this is this is this is the sinister side of the music industry.

Yeah, tell the whole story here and it's a really dark story to tell, but it makes it more interesting. This story is a story about being a human being and we're messy people are messy. I'm an ever you try to make somebody a hero, whether it be a friend or a movie star. You're not doing them any any favors. None of us are are heroes. Clive in my opinion was a particularly bad person. You know, early in my career. I worked with Puffy and Clive was around a lot. I would be no Puffy had there not been Clive Clive funded Clive founded bad boy records bad boy records was under Arresta records. It was Clive Davis who was an elderly man who had not had a hit in years and was desperate to be relevant and so he ran this up and coming black hip hop.

He was a gentleman that he thought he could be in business with. He could control so many people gave Diti that's that advantage including Anna winter and S.D. Lorda. He was the black man in a white world that they could thought they could trust and boy did they bet on the wrong horse, but there would be no Diti with that Clive.

“He was not only Diti's business partner. He was his mentor. Did he want to be Clive Davis now because we know who Diti is, you have to wonder who the mentor really was.”

There's a darkness, there's a sadness and this story is not going to go away because later on in life Clive after being married and divorced I think twice had four children. Then he had a boyfriend who I I know he's named Greg and he was with Greg for over a decade. I'm told the family and the boyfriend he was never the husband. They never got married more than now. There's a fight over the money. They could push him out. They could push him out. He's not the next of him.

And so so more is very likely to come out and never let it be forgotten again. I think this should be way up top and Clive's obituary.

Whitney Houston dead in her overflowing hotel room tub. Clive Davis is legendary pre-gramming party going on a few stories below in the hotel ballroom and he said, you know what we're going to keep this party going.

“He was still in the hotel. The body had not been removed. The the the tub had maybe been turned off, but the water was overflowing.”

The news broke and everybody was shocked. Shot even though I will say the national inquire years before that on their front page had published you remember this. But those photos from the Whitney and Bobby's bathroom, the drug dead that those two lived in. It was amazing. She lived as long as she did. I wasn't surprised when she passed. I surprised that Clive Davis who claims that he loves Whitney Houston. He did that. He did do it. There's there's a side of him. It's easy because he gave us so much joy. He gave us so much great music, but there's also a lot of artists that were treated terribly by Clive.

For every warm that became a star, there were hundreds that did not, and a lot of them have stories to tell about Clive. It will come out. It will come out. If Ellen being a monster can come out, Flive Davis being a monster will come out too.

“It will. I think so too. And I think, you know, when someone like a Kelly Clarkson who is so universally beloved, nobody has a bad word to say about her and she's got talent and a work ethic for the ages.”

And when she says, "I'm not going to that guy's funeral." He tried to destroy you. He tried to destroy you.

So after American Idol, you automatically got signed to Aristorecours. And her first album, he was vile to her. He treated her with no respect.

He was really, and she said this on the record, does the disgust and human being, and then he tried to bury her album. He tried to destroy her album because she wouldn't do what he told her to do. What? Like, lose a ton of weight? It was not only the way she looked, he wanted to give her music that he wanted her to sing. And she said, "No, I want to be an artist. I don't want to be a trained monkey. I want to be an artist." And I want to pick my songs. And he said, "No, you don't have enough talent for that. You do what I say, and she didn't."

And Kelly's one of the few that didn't that survived. I know at least three, four other artists who were on Aristorecours who wouldn't do what Clive said,

and you've never heard of him since. And not only did he not support people who went out of his way to hurt people.

Kelly said that after she didn't agree with him, the album that she put out that she loved her album, he deliberately destroyed. He made sure it did not get played on radio. Her two-zone company, just to teach her a lesson. Terrible. Evil. Evil. And probably one of those, like, that sort of kind of misogynistic gay man who couldn't believe that a woman would tell him no and stand up to him.

And also to let me remind you, at the funeral, his partner wasn't allowed to sit on the front row. It was just the family.

“Wow. Oh, there is a biography to be written there, Rob. We love you.”

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Dear Mori, now David, in case you're unfamiliar, he is one of America's foremost humorists. He writes books of essays. He does a lot of speaking engagements all over the world.

He's been famous for quite some time, and we did a mini on him. This is from a trouble maker. See, I could never understand his acclaim.

Yes, there are flashes of humor in his work, but it all drips with such contempt and cruelty. And he is not brilliant enough to excuse these sins, but what really turned me off from Sedaris was discovering what happened to his younger sister Tiffany, which David has only begun writing about really I'm going to say in the last. He's seven to ten years, and that's being generous. I think it's fairly recent. This trouble maker continues if you read between the lines of this dysfunctional family. Again, just this trouble makers opinion. You will see that Tiffany was the quote identified patient.

The person who came to carry the shame of the Sedaris clan to be accused of the flaws and dysfunction of the other members escape goat if you will. This is common in pathological social groups. Sedaris describes Tiffany's suicide. This trouble maker writes, again, just their opinion is disgusting. It is dehumanizing. He couldn't stand her sensitivity, her decentness.

Sedaris being completely empty, mocks anything genuine. They never deserved Tiffany. I wonder if this trouble maker knew Tiffany.

If you have the nerve and I do trouble maker trust me, read David's essay about Tiffany. Now we are five more in this man deserves more of your path. Well, trouble maker, I had read now we are five, which was originally published in the New York or when it when it first ran. And I remember my overwhelming takeaway was just being kind of shocked that he acknowledged the sister and that she died by what I believe was a suicide by overdose.

Like her death was the catalyst for the essay, but she doesn't really exist there either. And I think that that's quite telling.

I listened to your conversation with Marlene about female friendships. Again, we got a lot of great feedback on that segment too. It really hit me hard. Now this, you know, I know people who are dealing with this too. Like there is a stratification in American suburban neighborhoods isn't just a coastal thing. This isn't just a big city thing. This is everywhere and it really it is. It really needs to be eradicated it's this trouble maker rights. I am from very left leaning Denver slash boulder in the running community and friend group.

That I had group of women I'd been close with for several years and then 2020 hit. And this trouble maker rights that I was a deputy working in the jails during COVID. Well, everyone else was home. In the election, I just heard lots of hate for my group and I said something about it by 2021. I had been completely ghosted by my so called closest friends. They did you a favor locked and deleted on social media. I was in my 50s. behind it had a trigger impact on my social life because other people we ran with quit inviting

me to runs and social events. This troublemaker, your email has cut off, but you included your

“dogs and we're going to show them here. I think their name Jimmy and Millie if I have that correct?”

Yes, Jimmy and Millie, as I was saying to Megan Kelly the other day, hang out with your dogs.

Your dogs will never betray you ever. Humans are inferior to dogs in so many ways, you know,

not the least of which is just kind of small mindedness. It's just painful, painful, from trouble maker Randy and Iowa headlines, Schlossberg's defeat, dampens dream of a renewed candlelight. Camelot, excuse me, moreen and the nerve have helped put this neppo baby back in the wood shed forever. We hope we hope. Camelot, my ass. It is time for this castle to go to the wood

shipper jack needs to look for yellow butterflies. Another one, thanks again to the nerve for our

coverage of neppo freak offspring, Jack Schlossberg, who thankfully recently lost for congressional district 12. You are recent coverage, tipped this book. I would like to think so. We don't know. It could be a number of things, but we like to think. So we appreciate it, trouble maker Wendy, that she thinks the nerve's coverage tipped this bad boy back into his

“black van, excuse me, trouble maker. It's his murder van. It's his murder van. I believe it's”

white with a black interior, which is typical of murder vans. Where he belongs, making TikTok videos, in his safe space. Now, I'm so glad you did this because I think we were off when this happened when Jack gave his concession speech. And he says he's brilliant. He says he's brilliant. He went to Harvard and he's got a law degree and I think in MBA. And so he's brilliant. He tells us this is what he said in his concession speech, power phrasing JFK's ask not what you can do for your

country. You know, okay, this is what Jack said. All of us, I guess, are to ask not what our country can do, but what we can do to help our city, which doesn't follow, it's not a one to one. It's not apples to apples, as I would say. It's apples and oranges, Jack. It's what's called a mixed

“metaphor, I think, whatever. Still have a little touch of jet lag. And finally, which leads into our”

update on our new criminal cultural offender, trouble maker A, talking about the conversation, Marlena and I were having about female friendships that picture of Al Roker behind Marlena made

me one second. I just have to do one one thing. And then she'll throw up something on the monitor

behind her without having told me what it is. And I eventually noticed what it is. And then I have to try to stop myself from laughing or killing the joke by acknowledging it. But it's time to revisit Al Roker. Now Billy Bush made headlines in his inaugural appearance on the nerve by talking about

“what an awful person and broadcaster Al Roker is. And I believe he used the phrase chronically unprepared.”

I believe he used the phrase worst interviewer on television. And then we went on to theorize about the source of Al's misery, which I believe is, you know, I think he probably had greater aspirations

for himself than America's weatherman. And that every time he has to say, here's what's going on

in your neck of the woods, a part of him dies. Whatever's left of him dies inside. So anyway, we were then reminded of this doozy from television's Al Roker. The today shows Al Roker. The today shows Al Roker who shows up on that set like every morning in three pieces. Like, you know, he's dapper damn. And he did this interview in which he discussed sharding himself at the White House. You could not make this up. Here we go. As I'm walking to the press room, I've got to,

you know, pass a little gas here. So I'm walking by myself who's going to know, only a little something extra came out. I hope you're pants. I poop my pants. Oh my god. Oh my god. I hadn't seen that whole thing until right now. And that that interviewer who's sitting there. Okay. That's not the reaction. She sits there and she goes, "You pooped your pants?" Like, she says mommy. And he's like four and he just came back from preschool, like, or pre-K. pooped your pants. You know,

“I think the reaction sister is like, "Why are you telling me this?" This is disgusting. Why do you”

think America needs to know that televisions Al Roker sharded himself at the White House? In what way is this a value add to the culture, sir? Now. In the wake of our segment with Billy Bush, which if you haven't seen you really should go watch, it's hilarious. It's hilarious. Um, I received a tip. I received a hot tip. Uh, I must keep my source anonymous, but I trust this source implicitly. This source knows their way around 30 rock came in hot on my phone.

Al, my source says to the coworker to lunch one, a coworker to lunch once, to tell her quote, "I could really help with your career." No, I mean, I could really help your career, wink.

“Which tracks with something another, I have another well-sourced report, uh, this individual who”

also knew their way around 30 rock quite well said that in the wake of me to, uh, they could not believe that Al Roker had not caught any pushback whatsoever, because it was well-known at least back then at Studio One A that Al Roker was reportedly allegedly hands-y. Keep your feedback coming. Email me, please, at [email protected] or DM me on Instagram, @moring, calahanwriter, or at the nerve show, and that does it for this addition of the nerve at

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