Ashley Graham: Raising Men Their Partners Will Thank Her For

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Don't ask me, I am over here just like winging it. I'm like, there's a spaghetti throw it on the wall. Oh, that one works. They got it. Hi everyone. I'm Dylan Dryer and you might recognize me from the third hour of today. I'm also a mom to three boys. Calvin Allian Rusty. Calvin's my oldest. He's nine. Do it here. I'm free. Allie's my middle one. He's six. And then there's Rusty.

“Rusty's four and Rusty's the youngest child and he honestly doesn't give a crap about anything I say.”

So since we can all commiserate when it comes to parenting, I thought this show was the perfect way to open up the dialogue, have a conversation, bring in some professionals who know what they're

doing and also to bring in some guests who, like myself, don't always know what we're doing.

But we're trying, we're commiserating, we're trying to figure it all out together. I thought this would be the perfect way to have a nice group chat or rather a parent chat. So I want to start each episode by welcoming you into my home, the chaos of my house. So I walk into this happening. The boys have taken a long piece of cardboard. They've duct taped it to the top of the stairs. These are steep stairs. This is like the steepest stairs in our house.

And it's duct taped to the top of the stairs. And they are proceeding to slide down the stairs on this piece of cardboard. Allie actually gets hit and I had a couple of cans of dog food on his way down as he knocks those off the shelf behind him. Now in a normal situation if it was just the three boys doing this, I might be a little terrified of what they're doing, but the person recording the video is my mom. The one who's supposed to be watching the kids, like I think she gave

them the supplies to actually do this. I mean that's got to be all right, right? And it was all fun and games until Rusty goes down, you know, eventually he ends in tears. But I mean how

“else do you learn your lesson? Oh. And that's what today's episode is all about just parenting”

boys. And I am so excited to chat with my next guest about that. Ashley Graham is a model. She's an entrepreneur. And we can relate because she's also a mom to three boys. She's got Isaac who's six in Roman and Malachi twins who are four. And we're going to get into what it's like raising boys. Here's our conversation. Hi Ashley. Hi. Thank you so much for talking boy moms stuff because it's so nice to relate to another boy mom. You have three and you have three and I have three. And

I don't meet many people that have three boys living in their house. Don't you feel pretty like badass having three boys? Yes. I do. I feel like I have like I'm going to have like my own security guards pretty soon. And then like I walked through like the queen. There's like a hair blow moment. That that moment's coming. I need to train them. Yeah. I need to start working now. I am training them to be the perfect men. Yeah. Do you notice? Do you think about that? So we are working on

manners. Yeah. And like opening the door for mom or grandma or like you know making sure

people that are older than you are going ahead or whatever. But then first my biggest goal is one that

I did was I said thank you to my mother and mom. It was like totally like out of nowhere. And I was

“just like thank you for making an amazing man that is my husband. And I thought oh my god that's what”

I want. Like I want their wives to come to me and say thank you. Yeah. So that's like a north star for me. Yeah. I'm teaching my boys to cook. My oldest loves to cook. I trying to work in more laundry. At least separating the laundry. They are doing some of the laundry with us. Yeah. Which is so fun.

We're still there. So with my first who's much better at it than the other two,

“I make him wipe the seat if he pees on it. Because now my youngest till take like one little”

square of two-ply toilet paper and like just dab it up. And she's like how did you get them to wipe the seat? I'm like because it's unacceptable that if there's ever moment I'm going to sit on the toilet and sit in their pee. It's just disgusting. Yes. I so I'm the mom that like if the toilet seat is up and I know there's somewhere playing. I will go and I will say who did it? Fast up right now. I'll like come with me and I make them march all the way back to the bathroom

and put the seat down washer hands as they don't do it again. So I'm a little I'm not really the militant one. I try to be right. But with the toilet for some reason it's like a thing.

Well because it's gross and you're the woman living in a house with boys and always not fair.

Everywhere. Right. It's not fair like how gross they can be. And I do the same thing with

“their clothes. I'm always like Calvin. And he knows that that's the one where you need to come right”

now because you took off your clothes and you just left them there. At least put them in the laundry basket. Yeah. Like I'm trying to work these little lessons in so that they are just better cleaner human beings. Yeah. And they know to put everything in the washing machine, close the door. And it's funny because kids actually really like to help. You know, especially with boys it's easy as a mom to step in. But I think you don't do more than you think they'll do.

Your oldest is nine. Yes. And how are you treating him differently than like your baby? Well Calvin certainly has to take the blame for everything. I'm very much like Calvin you're the older brother. Like just give it just give it to him. Right. Just just do it. Just give it to him. I feel bad for Isaac because that happens to him all the time. Okay. I'm glad you said that. I know it's just that's and I all actually say to him. You're the oldest. So that's just your lot in life.

Yeah. I say you're the oldest. You know better. You're the more responsible one. It's only two years. He's only six. I know. But still. So how does it work with twins? Do you find that they kind of go in their birth order? Well, okay. So we haven't told them who was born first. Okay. And there is a full two hours and seven minutes in between them. I know. So I'm really trying to not tell them.

“But here's the thing. At the end of the day, they are acting in their birth order.”

And it is wild to me. How would you just happen? Right. They're raised in the same house. Yeah. Same time. My baby acts like a baby. The first twin acts like the oldest. Mm-hmm. And he's very like, you're going to do what I say when I say it. Yeah. And the oldest he is like, I am the oldest brother and I am the leader. And he wants to help. And he wants to help fix things. We also wants to, you know, stir the pot. The pot stirring from

the oldest. The most responsible. We were at dinner last night. And they're big into like jinxes right now. Like if you say this, say the same word the same times like jinx, jinx. But then they can't talk until somebody says their name three times. And when Calvin gets jinxed, I'm like, nobody say Calvin's name. Like you can't because he's the instigator. He's the one that eggs everybody else on because he's not going to do the bad thing. But he's going to let everybody

else do the bad thing. So I'm the oldest. And I was always like a little bit of the pot stir, too.

And my mom would remind me of this now. He's an Isaac. And she's like, that's you. You would do that. And it's like, there's no solve. Right. In my opinion, I mean, maybe there's help. Help. Yeah. I don't think there is. But it doesn't feel like there is. I mean, here we are. Hold it generation later. My mom's like, yes, what you would do. And it just happens so naturally. Yeah. Yeah. I know.

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What do you love about being a boy, mom? I love that. It's just like a different energy.

I'm because of my job. It is like, I'm always getting dressed up. I'm always in here and makeup.

“I'm always like, do you know, trying on clothes and being, you know, quote unquote girly?”

Right. And then when I'm home, I'm like, crocks, hair is not brushed, like, no makeup, like, like, I have a bra and the boys are like, let's rest all. And there is this like boy energy in me who are like, I will throw down and I will get sweaty. And it's time to go. And I never knew this much about dinosaurs. I never. There's a whole world of stuff that I never knew. I would know all these things about. Interesting. Yeah. But we do do like tea time. It's not as formal as

like maybe when I was a little girl. But like, we'll put stuff to animals around and we'll go into a circle and hang on with the stations. Yeah. And we're all sipping a coffee and coffee. And we're like, so what did you learn today? You know, it's like kind of like tea time with the guests. Did you ever want a girl? Oh, yeah. Oh my gosh, when they told me it was two boys. And there I was like, my husband's not going to let me have a fourth one. I just know. Would you want a fourth?

Oh, yeah. I would have four and five. Yeah. I wish I started younger because same. I would love to have just a whole brewed of kids. Right. I love being a mom. Wait, how old were you when you had your last? When I had my last. So I'm 44 and he's four. So I guess 40. Okay. Okay. Okay. I told Justin, I wanted to be done at 35 because I just know I talked to my friends in their 40s and they're like, I'm tired. And I know how I feel now at 38 just with three little dudes. So I told

Justin, I want to have three kids. I don't want a middle child and I want to be done at 35. And guess what God gave me exactly what I want to actually really work. So I'm at this place where I'm like, okay, be grateful for what you asked for because you've been given it. Don't like, yeah, go and chance it or like, you know, go be exhausted because you really just wanted your girl. Right. So I'm happy. Like I just launched a wine brand. Yeah. That's my baby girl. Yeah. Great. I know. Let's

go put all your love into that. Exactly. It doesn't annoy you. No, exactly. She don't talk back. My therapist actually just said this to me the other day because I was just like, you know, I feel like I'm at a point right now where I don't know what the next thing is. Like the next thing to get excited about and blah, blah, blah, she's like, yes, but think of all the things you prayed for and the things you wanted and you you're in that right now. Like sometimes it's important to step back and

“just appreciate all the prayers that were answered before you're thinking what's next? What's next?”

What's next? It's a great life lesson. Something that my mom always reminds me of too. She's like,

just be happy with what you have. You know, you are a hustler and you always will be a hustler. But at the end of the day, you can also be a settled hustler and just know that your next move is not, does not have to be right now. It can be coming. I know. Mom, otherwise, I'm just hoping I'll be like that for my voice. You will. I'm sure you already are. I'm curious because I have friends who have girls and actually they were over the other day and she has two girls in a boy and my kids are

just like, like, circles, circles, circles, chasing each other, chasing each other. As long as nobody's crying, I'm fine. Yeah, I don't mind the way up. Yes, it really doesn't bother me when they're running or screaming or I can actually tune it out. And she's like, is this what your house is like all the time? All the time. And she's like, I just never because her son, because he only has two sisters. He's pretty calm. She's like chill, like goes, you know, just like very chill. And then eventually

“he got fired up when he was with my boys. But I mean, how do you embrace the chaos?”

I am like you. I don't hear it. Yeah. It's so interesting. As long as like the kitchen is put together and there's no blood and bones, I'm totally fine. I don't hear it. I'd almost like I don't see it. And my husband gets a little bit overwhelmed. Yeah. And less of he's involved, and less of he's the one like creating the chaos. But the other girls that we have had over, like, I have a special drawer of like dolls and like dress up things for them just in case. They're like,

yeah. Why did you bring me here, Mother? Like why there's not the play day that I was expecting?

There's just sword fights and balls being thrown. But it's always the time you can tune it out.

Yeah. Especially when, see, for me when I don't hear the noise, I'm like something's wrong. They're doing something illegal. And I need to go check on them right away. So that I actually would rather noise. Right. How do you handle injuries and stuff? Like, because I hit a point sometimes where I'm like, okay, they're running, they're running, they're running. I'm like, I'll step in for a second. Just guys, just to remind you, if this continues, one of you will get

hurt and not going to care when you get hurt, right? Because then they, they do get hurt. They come over their crying and they won't stop crying and one guy will like cry till he pukes and it's just like, all right, like stop. Is that a thing? He just gets so like, and then he just gets so works out, like he gags and it's just like, it's just, it's just, it's just gross. I'm always trying to prevent the tears from lasting for too long because it's just, I've heard this. I'm not in the mood for it.

Right. So like, how do you go vomit in private?

hilarious. I don't think that you're doing anything wrong because I feel like I'm doing the same thing.

“I'm like, you need to go work it out. If they come over, oh Malachi hit me, Roman bit me.”

Well, first of all, Roman has six missing teeth. So, um, I didn't hurt that bad. And thirdly, I'm like, I'm like, guys, you have to go work it out. I'm not dealing with this. The only thing I say to them is no headshots. We will let them box. Like, they'll even put gloves on and box. It's a thing. Yeah. But I'm like, as long as it's only body shots and no headshots, nobody will get in trouble. Now, if you do a headshot, you're going to go into a timeout. Right. And then the timeouts have

levels to it. And there's no room for babying. Now, especially these little poets that we want to

like raise until like exceptional men. I'll be there for them always. But I'm not going to be like,

"Oh, the baby will do it." Yeah. I know, I'll be funny. And I'll do that. Right. And then I'm down and take off. I'll do it to Calvin. Like, would you get beat up by your little broom? Yeah. Yeah. I do find that boys are more emotional than I ever thought they would be. Oh, highly. And like, they love me. Do they want to crawl back inside of you? Yes. Like that way. They sometimes I need to like detach them from me because they're just so much touching. It's like I need you to get off of me. Yes.

But they have such a soft spot in their hearts. And I, with mental health being such, you know, it's so top of mind. I work every day to talk through their emotions. But not like a, like a fruit fruit kind of way. It's more just like, get it out. Like, do you know what you're feeling? Yeah.

How do you handle their emotions? We are very much like that. My husband is exceptional with them.

And he is a man that's totally like into talking about his feelings and his emotions. But also doing it in a very matter of fact way. Like, this how I'm feeling is what I'm going through. And I need a minute or we're going to talk about this. And he does that really well with the boys. And he's like, no, I want you to tell me how you feel. And he'll sit down with them until one of the boys

“really like expresses themselves. And it's learning how to get it out. Because I think that's”

another thing that we're not teaching kids is like how to do it. Which is expect to them like to say what they're feeling. Maybe they don't know how to do that. So I've, I've been learning from Justin like how to talk to the kids about their emotions and stuff. Because I come from a family where we take the rug and we brush it under and we keep it moving. And I am not doing that in my family. Because it's a really breeds like resentment and issues. And it can show up in your body in

weird ways. And we have had long conversations about how we do not want that in our family.

Yeah. It is different. Like we always just, if you're mad at somebody, just don't talk to them

for a couple of weeks. And how hopefully not. Not to get off. And now look at everybody's family. Right? I was spoiled with Calvin because my oldest, he's very good at expressing, you know, his emotions. He wants to talk. He'll be like, can I walk the dog with you? So we can just talk. Like, he's very in tune with how he's feeling. And the other two really can't put into words the way they're feeling. And I'm, I'm working through this right now because my youngest has a

temper. Like, like a throw things, temper, kick somebody in the shin kind of temper. And I'm trying this, like, I sit down with them and like, are you sad or are you mad? And then I'll answer. And I'm like, are you mad at someone or something? And then he kind of goes off on a tangent and he's like, mad that there's a mess in the kitchen or something. But like, I'm like, okay, well, that's probably not it. But let's talk about, you know, and so I do struggle with, I was so spoiled with Calvin,

like, trying to get the emotions out of the other two. And I wonder if I'm, you know, because he's

“the youngest. I'm not giving him the attention he needs. So the middle child, he's not getting, you know?”

So I, I don't know, like, I don't know how to manage the different personalities. So don't ask me, I, I am over here just like, winging it. I'm like, there's a spaghetti throw it on the wall. Oh, that one works. Thank God. I lean on my husband so much. But there is nothing that I can't do without praying through it. Because if I, like, have an unsuttleness in my spirit about that, I'm like, we're going to pray. What a blessing to be able to see your kids then start praying?

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with brand new guests. Plus, you can revisit all the office ladies rewatch episodes every Monday with new bonus tidbits before every episode. So follow and listen to office ladies on the free Odyssey app and wherever you get your podcasts. How are you at the end of the day? Like, oh, I have like many like breakdowns. I just wanted to know if you didn't do. Oh, yeah. I'm like in the hot bath. Just cry.

But just to get it out. And sometimes I am sad because I'm like, did I put too much on my plate? Right. You know, because my mom told me when I was thinking about having number four. She was like,

somebody always feels like they're left behind. And I never want a kid to feel left behind. Really.

And I think no parent really like wants that for their kids. So then I'm thinking about that. And I want to be an amazing wife. Right. And I want to be show up for my business partner. I want to show up for my team. I want to do it all. Exactly. And it's like, how can you? And you really, I mean, for me, the word balance really doesn't exist. It's more about consistency. And the things that matter most. And like the order of things. Right.

The order of things. Yeah. I do. Because everybody talks about self-care. And yes, I would love to care for myself a little bit more. But I also feel like I'm in this point in my life where

“this is the phase I'm in. Like I'm in a phase right now where life is crazy. Yep.”

And dinner time is crazy. And like just all day. I'm always thinking what I need to do for the kids. That I don't have a lot of time to do. Like, I'll find it every once in a while. You know, exercise or I'll try to get a massage or something or meet up with a friend. But it doesn't happen a lot. Yep. Because I think that's just the point in my life that I'm at. You have three kids. Yeah. Like my oldest is nine already. Like he's just like flying through

school and flying through sports. And now he's starting to want it. Have play dates over his friends house. And I'm like, wait, you don't just want to be here. Is it so complicated at nine? I still have a play. I know. I was like, or is it like, I want to hang out with my friend. Yeah. It's it's getting there. It's it's close to that. But they're drop off play dates. Now, you know, and it's like, so he actually said, which makes me feel good. Because he said to me

yesterday, he had a play date like one day. And then the next day I was busy doing things. And then he said, I just feel like I haven't seen you. I'm like, buddy, it's been like a day and a half. He said, but we haven't spent any time together. So you're at a play date. And now I'm busy today. And yeah, he had it. Now, and nobody you do. Like it's not like you can take off work. I know. And drive a day. Hang out. Yeah. So I just give him a hug. And I'm like, please

always love me like this. Like always want to be with me. Oh, I'm so scared of that. I know.

Day where they choose their friends over us. So my husband and I have been trying to do these like take the one kid out just for a date or a coffee or whatever. And it's very difficult. But he

“just and has been doing it because I think there's there's something really special about like a”

son and father relationship that's important. Of course the son and mother is also just as important. But there's just like that bond. I can see that that's like blossoming so tightly between the three of them and their dad. It's so important because we give off different energies. Yeah. How do your boys get along with each other? Do you find like fight like cats and dogs? And then they're like obsessed with each other. Right. And they're like, they all love each other. Do you see them

branching off? Oh, it's a little bit of everything. It's like it just kind of depends on what project they're working on or where they're playing. I've won that's like really an outside boy. And he just but he wants somebody to be outside with him. You know, I do notice sometimes I guess just the dynamics of three. I mean, I grew up with two older brothers. So I saw it two or the

baby. I'm the baby. Oh wow. So I have two brothers. But there was always that I love the dynamic of

three. I'm the oldest of three girls. Oh, okay. So I was a girl with a totally different major leader. Five. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, it's my way or the highway. So we wanted to do a little game. Okay. So we've got paddles here. Okay. Kids. Okay. Who's? Oh, they're for me. Yeah. They're for you. Okay. So I'm gonna. Let's see. And then so it's like mom first gets you can choose which one who gets

“out the door faster. Oh, mom. Really. Yeah. Come on. Why can't boys like put their shoes on?”

I just do slide-ons. I know. I'm at two. I'm still at that. Oh, you do. I do. I do. I do. Yeah. Because it's like a thing. Just faster. And I think it might be a male genetic thing. But I think we're also we're like go getters. Like I feel like like I've got every moment of my day sort of planned out. Oh, yeah. I know what time I have to. Yes. Yeah. My clothes are laid out the night before. Like I've got from the second I wake up to the second

I leave every morning. It is exactly 20 minutes. It's never before or after. It's like clockwork. Yeah. Yes. I plug my coffee in at the same time every morning. Like it's all just ready to go. Yeah. I hear you. Yeah. But going back to the shoe thing, I should put more effort in teaching, especially my nine-year-old. How to tie shoes. He's okay at it. Yeah. He'll learn eventually. Right. But Velcro did Velcro not exist when we were kids. I feel we were in shoes when we were little. Yeah.

My mom was never tying my shoe. Oh, we failed. I do feel like I just don't feel like doing it. Yeah. Who needs more snacks to survive today? Oh, the kids. So many snacks. Yeah. I mean, I can fast for like a week. I'm fine. Yeah. I mean, not really. I usually just take whatever. That's totally I can maybe give myself six hours. Yeah. I'm usually just snacking on their snacks. Like when they're not looking because they will get out of it. Oh, my Puise get angry. Yeah. And they know they're like,

pirate's booty. Okay. You know, chickpeas. Oh, they eat good stuff. Really? Oh, we just don't buy junk.

Yeah. You buy the junk. Well, I buy, like, just always potato chips. There's always

potato chips. I have a weakness for potato chips. So there's always potato chips. Who wakes up in a better mood? You're the kids. Oh, it's always me. I'm a morning person. Me too. I was like born for the morning. Yeah. Yes. The kids actually aren't rude in the morning or anything. They're happy. It's my husband. He's not a morning person. It's like, "She's not still sleeping." Oh, yeah. Oh, that's nice. Yeah. That's that they're thinking about that. Who's more dramatic when they're

tired? Oh, the kids. So dramatic. Oh, my god. I let them watch TV before bed, like after their showers. And they kind of watch TV. They're kind of perky and they're happy. And a second I say, okay, TV off we're going to bed. I like so. I need you to get me. Oh, yeah, that's it. Every carry me. Yeah, please carry me. They all say that, right? Oh, my god. Can you carry me up until recently I could carry all three of them. Oh, wow. I know. And I was like, tell me how strong I am, guys.

Got one of them. But you're so strong. Yeah. I'm like, hmm. Although once you get to the top,

“like, four steps, that's it. You're like, don't work. Yeah. Um, who's messy or your sons or you?”

Oh, my kids. Yeah. What about you? Um, because it sounds like you're a little messy, but I'm a little messy. My kids are actually good at putting toys away. Oh, that's good. Yeah, too. Yeah. But mine are like, there's like sausages on the floor, breakfast, or maybe like eggs, mirror to cross, like the counter. Yeah. The toothpaste thing is disgusting. Why are they? There needs to be a new toothpaste event. Yes. Or how it comes out of the tube. So it's intended.

Yeah. And like the push. Yes. Nice and neat. Yes. It doesn't exist anymore. I've tried to find it for it. It's awful. Yeah. It dries all on the top. It's funky. Yeah. All bathroom stuff with the kids is just disgusting to me. Um, okay. You could look back at something you could think of recently, a parenting win. Something where you said, you know what? I've got this. I think for me, it's the birthdays. I feel like I'm winning because we're not overdoing it. I just had Isaac

make his own birthday cake. Oh. And there's just something like so pure and precious about that. And also like not overly celebrating, but also doing something fun as a family for the birthday. It's not just about toys and presents. It's about an experience. And it's about being together. And it's about you being celebrated, but not doing the whole like hoopla of what we see on social media with these birthdays. So I think that that's been a big parenting win for me. So finally,

you know, it's looking into the future, right? Like not that we want time to fly by because I know. I'm embracing the chaos. I love the craziness of it all. But like what kind of men do you want to raise? What are you doing to to make that happen? I want to raise men who are kind, who love themselves, but also know how to love others just as much, um, if not more. And I mean that for like their business, for their family, for, you know, talking on the street. And for us like our biggest

thing in our house is kindness. And you know, the bullies at school. Like how do we treat the bullies at school? We are still kind to them. And I think that that's like the biggest thing in our house right now is just making sure that everything's led with kindness. And being in a world that

“we're in today, I think that like raising kind men is incredibly important. But also like emotionally”

intelligent men who who know how to express themselves and also have confidence in themselves too. I love that. Yeah. Calvin just wanted kindness award at school. And I was so proud. It was like better than any grade. He could have gotten on a test. It was just like a kindness thing. And you know, being in this business and telling stories, you know, I'm meteorologist. I'm a woman in STEM and science and all that kind of stuff. And I, I'm big in the girl power and, you know,

just like, but at the same time, I feel such a responsibility. Like I have these three incredible

boys. And I can make them into three incredible men if I do it right. And I focus every day to make sure I tell them I'm proud of them. And they'll even ask like, what do you proud of me for? Like, you know, and it's, it's, and I tell them what they did like little things

“over the course of the day. All adds up, doesn't it? Yeah. I think we have this incredible”

responsibility and opportunity to just create incredible things in the next generation. Yes. Here we go. Right. I think it's the next generation. This is us. Yes. And all of you. Thank you so much for joining us. So great to have you. Yes. I really appreciate it. Yeah. There is something so refreshing about just talking to another boy mom, commiserating in some spots, but also that, ah, factor.

I mean, boys are so amazing. And it's just so much fun. I don't even know if I would know

what it's like to just embrace the chaos. How every time I talk to a boy mom, it seems like we're all

“sort of in the same boat. Yes, we're exhausted. Yes, we're always cleaning up, but it is so rewarding”

and just so, so special. So it was really just really sweet to talk to Ashley about what it's like

being a boy mom. So whether you're a mom of boys or just a mom in general or you just want to

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