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All right. She was born in Texas. Now, Paso. She went to the University of Maryland. She joined the Air Force. In the Air Force, she studied languages and intelligence. She ended up spending more than a decade in U.S. military intelligence. And then she left the military for the private sector. In the private sector, she continued military intelligence work, including its very sensitive stuff, while she worked as a U.S. defense contractor.

And then in the midst of that very highly sensitive U.S. military intelligence career, she defected to Iran. She had converted to Islam. She learned farcee. She had reported they become enthralled with the Iranian regime. And in particular with their

anti-American propaganda, despite the fact that she was a U.S. service member who was born in Texas.

In 2019, she was indicted in federal court in the United States for allegedly revealing details to the Iranian government of a highly classified U.S. intelligence program. She was charged with allegedly, also, outing one particular U.S. spy to the Iranian government. She was also accused of helping the Iranian government's intelligence agencies target the United States. Specifically, the indictment said she conducted research about people in the U.S. intelligence

communities. She had previously known and worked with. She used that information on her former colleagues to draft target packages against these U.S. agents for the Iranians. And then using that information that she gave them, the Iranian security services launched cyber attacks specifically targeting those Americans. Those American personnel from the U.S. intelligence community.

She was indicted in 2019. Her name is Monica Witt. She was indicted. She was never arrested.

She's still at large today. They never caught her because she defected to Iran. But they were able to figure out what she had done. They were able to expose the plot. She was part of. They were able to bring this indictment against her. They were able to do all of that thanks to the counterintelligence unit at the FBI that specializes in threats emanating from Iran. So that was 2019. They had that pretty spectacular indictment of that former U.S. military intelligence

officer. Less than a year later, January 2020, the United States used a drone strike to assassinate

a very high-profile general in Iran's revolutionary guard court, Cassayne Solomani. You'll remember

that. The Iranians in response, you might recall attacked to a to U.S. military bases, to U.S. bases in Iraq dozens of American service members were injured in that retaliatory attack. You might remember the U.S. President at the time Donald Trump. During his first term, you might remember him mocking and deriding the injuries of those American troops, saying U.S. troops who had traumatic brain injuries because of that Iranian retaliatory attack.

They weren't really injured because he didn't think traumatic brain injury was real. I didn't think it was seriously. It wasn't anything serious. You know, like, bone spurs or something. At the time, U.S. forces killed Solomani and there was that retaliatory attack. We didn't exactly know if Iran was going to do anything further to retaliate for that very high-profile assassination of a very high-profile figure in their government.

It soon became clear, though, what the Iranians plan was. It was that retaliatory attack on those U.S. bases and Iran also decided that the way they would retaliate for the U.S. assassinating

that high-profile general from the Revolutionary Guard, what they were going to do in response was

they were going to kill U.S. government officials. They were going to get their own high-profile assassinations of American public officials. And this was not just Iran, you know, boasting that they would like to kill American government officials in response, this is something they had, they have real capability in. This is a field of specialty for them. I mean, Trump State Department at the time, and Trump's first term, they released a big report

at the time warning about how the Iranians are really good at this. They're really known for this

Kind of thing, quote.

and terrorist attacks in more than 40 countries. Iran's global campaign of terror has included

as many as 360 targeted assassinations in other countries, quote, Iran engaged in these assassinations

and other attacks primarily through the Revolutionary Guard Cuds Force and the Ministry of Intelligence

and Security, but also via third parties in proxies like Hezbollah, quote, Iranian diplomatic personnel have repeatedly been implicated in assassinations abroad. And other words, they're really good at this. They can reach all around the globe to kill people when they want to, and they have done it. And so the U.S. government was aware that Iran wanted to kill U.S. officials. They knew Iran was capable of doing that kind of thing. They knew Iran is very experienced in

that sort of thing. They've killed or tried to kill their own dissidents and whistleblowers and political opponents, not only just over all over the Middle East, but throughout Europe, they have

killed people. They've even tried to kill people here in the United States before. Their security

services have reached all around the world to kill people. And they have done it sometimes by

finding turncoats like that Air Force Intelligence Officer. They've done it sometimes by just sending out their own agents into the world. They have done it even by partnering with just straight-up criminals, by partnering with mobsters and drug gangs in order to carry out targeted killings for the Iranian regime. And they have done it for decades. I mean, you think Russia is good at fling and people out of windows and dosing people with exotic poisons all over the world.

The Russians are peckers at this sort of thing compared to the Iranians who have not only been doing it for decades, they have been very good at it for decades. And so in the wake of that 2020 U.S. drone strike that killed Kusem Soleimani, the U.S. government soon became aware that the Iranians were plotting to assassinate U.S. government officials in response and who exactly were they going

to assassinate? Turns out they were going to assassinate President Donald Trump's national security

advisor at the time, John Bolton. The Iranians also tried to assassinate Trump's secretary of state at the time. Mike Pompeo and Pompeo seen your advisor in a Brian Hook. But the U.S. government at least was on it. They were aware of it. They knew about these plots and these specific threats and who was being targeted. Bolton and Pompeo and Huck, among other things, were all given round-the-clock security details to protect them from these

very live assassination plots. In 2022, a member of Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps was formally charged in the United States with the assassination attempt against John Bolton. It also emerged that the Iranians had put together an assassination plot targeting President Donald Trump himself. They were able to bring criminal charges. The federal criminal trial in that case, in the Trump assassination case, that trial actually just started last week in federal

court in New York. I mean, for everything else, Iran is. Iran is a big country, more than 90

million people, and they are a powerful country with a sophisticated, intensively-resourced,

world-class, ruthless set of intelligence and security services, which, of course, target their own people at home to disastrous, murderous effect, particularly recently. But those security services and intelligent services also have tentacles all around the world. And they have used them to target the regimes perceived enemies all over the world, including in the United States of America. Luckily, the U.S. government has been all over them

on this. They know what the Iranians are capable of. They know what they've been trying to do. Among other things, the United States government has specialist counterintelligence agents in the FBI, who specialize in these kinds of threats, specifically emanating from Iran. Right? We know what we are up against with Iran. And, you know, obviously, China and Russia, they also pose major threats along these same lines. Russia and China have their own

dedicated counterintelligence specialists inside the United States government. But those, the China and Russia specialists are separate from the Iran specialist FBI counterintelligence team that works on this specifically. That guards against this particularly pointed threat from this particularly capable adversary. To group at the FBI, so unit called CI12, CI for counterintelligence, CI12. And thank God,

we've got them now, right? Now that we just killed Iran's supreme leader and started a huge new war with Iran with apparently no idea what the consequences would be of us doing that,

At least here at home, even if we're just going to be selfish in terms of the...

Well, thank God, we've got a unit like CI12 that really uniquely knows this stuff that's on it.

Right? The group that got that Air Force intelligence spy who defected to Iran,

that got the people who tried to assassinate John Bolton and discovered the plots to kill Mike Pompeo and Brian Hook. And even the plot to kill Donald Trump, thank God, we've got this group CI12, right? Last week, FBI director Cash Patel, while he was coming off a wave of terrible press about U.S. taxpayers paying him to fly to Italy, so he could go to a hockey game and shut beer in a locker room, while he was heading into a whole new round of fresh reporting about

how he has ordered an elite FBI SWAT team to be personal body guards and basically a show first

service for his girlfriend in the middle of that bittersweet symphony of competence. Last week, FBI director Cash Patel fired a dozen FBI agents and staff in the elite counter-espionage

and counter-intelligence units CI12. The unit specifically that specializes in international threats

from Iran, including their potential reach here in the United States. Cash Patel just fired his way through that unit. Last week, MSNow's Carol Lenig reporting tonight, quote, on Monday, meaning today, people inside the FBI are bracing for the possibility that Patel will fire more agents and staff on CI12. Carol Lenig is going to join us live here in just a moment on

that new story. You might also recall that right after Trump was sworn in for his second term,

one of the first things he did was take away the security details that had been assigned to Mike Pompeo and Brian Hook and John Bolton because, yeah, sure, maybe the Iranian plans to assassinate them were still alive, but, you know, if you're Trump, who cares? I mean, the Iranian's targeted

Trump, too, but he has secret service protection. What does he care if they knock off anybody else?

He'll be fine. We don't know why Donald Trump just started this war in Iran. Washington Post reported this weekend and the New York Times reported today that Trump did it basically as a favor that there was no U.S. intelligence that Iran posed any imminent threat to us, but Saudi Arabia and Israel told Trump to do it and so he did it because, hey, you know,

America first, strongman. We're just going to put our military at the disposal of other countries

because they can tell Trump what to do with it. Go at the attack came despite U.S. intelligence assessments that Iran's forces were unlikely to pose an immediate threat to the U.S. mainland within the next decade, but he did it anyway, because Israel and Saudi Arabia told him too, and he apparently does what they say. And now six American service members are known to have been killed and many more injured. It's also new reporting tonight that the U.S. Embassy in

Riyadh in Saudi Arabia has been hit by two drones. Washington Post is now also reporting that two defense department employees, U.S. Defense Department employees have been wounded in an Iranian drone attack on a hotel in Bahrain. And I mean, in terms of what we are heading into and the kind of risk we're heading into, these are the sort of headlines that we're seeing tonight, quote, "Earthquake in the Gulf, Iran war expands to a dozen countries in 72 hours, just 72 hours

after the U.S. and Israel began bombing Iran. The war has already consumed nearly the entire Middle East, reached the gates of Europe and raised new fears of attacks on American soil." This was the front page of the New York Times that we woke up to today. U.S. troops killed as blasts jolt mid-East, fear of wider war after Iran's response. Arroyters, dueling headlines here, Iran conflict widens to Lebanon,

to wait mistakenly down U.S. jets. That's their right next to Iran says straight-of-war moves closed, warns it will attack ships trying to pass. And indeed just on the global energy front, we have seen natural gas prices spike by 50% in Europe. One of the world's largest exporters of natural gases cutter, cutter now says they have stopped all production of natural gas. And indeed Iran says it has closed the straight-of-war moves, through which passes

30% of the world's oil and 20% of the world's natural gas. They say it is closed. There's the headline at the Washington Post, quote, "Trump pursuits Iranian decapitation

Without a plan for what comes next.

have raised concerns that the U.S. is unleashing forces that could spill across borders, disrupt global trade, and lead to asymmetric terrorist attack reprisals. All with

no certainty that the remaining Islamic hardliners won't ultimately retain their hold on

power anyway. Still across borders disrupt global trade lead to asymmetric terrorist attack reprisals. Given those kinds of threats that Trump has just unleashed with this war that he started for reasons he still cannot clearly articulate. Given those kinds of threats, given that Pandora's box that has just been opened. Do you feel like we've got all our national security ducks in a row here in this country? Now that we started this thing, do you feel like

our leaders in the U.S. government are really on the ball right now when it comes to national security, when it comes even just to domestic national security, when it comes to

managing potential fallout from this thing that Donald Trump has just unleashed?

I mean, you can start with our Secretary of Defense, right? I mean, his immediate previous job

before Donald Trump gave him the keys to the U.S. Defense Department was that he was the weekend co-host on the cable news show, Fox and Friends. Now we're at war with Iran. Six U.S. service members killed so far, many more wounded. Hexeth also apparently just lost three F-15 fighter jets to friendly fire because the U.S. military did not de-conflict with our allies in Kuwait, so Kuwait shot down

our planes. Great. Here at home, we're of course protected by the FBI. Yeah, about that. Again, we'll have more on that with Carol Leningen just a moment. We're also protected by the Department of Homeland Security, which is run by this person.

Kristi Nome, who you will remember took the Coast Guard Common Dawn's house for herself,

who has been mostly focused, who has been focused most intently during her time in office

on sending militarized mask federal troops all over the United States to kill and terrorize people here at home. Kristi Nome is currently trying to stand up a huge new network of prison camps for Donald Trump to send people to without trial. So far, that effort is not going great. Here's a thousand people that turned out in Romulus, Michigan just a few days ago. Vowing to do whatever it takes to stop Kristi Nome and Trump from putting one of their prison

camps in Romulus, Michigan, everybody from the Romulus mayor to the unanimous city council there, to the local congressmen there, to their state reps, to their state senators, to the Michigan Attorney General, to both Michigan, U.S. senators all saying they will fight Trump, tooth and nail on him and Kristi Nome trying to put a prison camp in Romulus, Michigan. Here's hundreds and hundreds of people turning out for the same reason. In Rocksbury, New Jersey,

this weekend. Rocksbury, New Jersey, where they are rapidly opposed to Trump, the Trump

prison camp that they're trying to put in that community. It's a company called Dalfen, DALFN, that owns the warehouse where they want to put that Trump prison camp in Rocksbury, New Jersey. Dalfen is headquartered in Dallas, Texas. And so this is really tactically interesting. Now, people are protesting not only in Rocksbury, New Jersey where they want to open up that prison camp, but also in Dallas, Texas, where the Dalfen company is headquartered. That's

what you're seeing signs like this in Dallas, quote, "coming soon," concentration camp, Dalfen in Rocksbury, New Jersey. People working together in two states to stop that. More protests against Kristi Nome and Trump's planned prison camps. This weekend in Linden, Linden, New Jersey and Grand Rapids, Michigan and East Lansing, Michigan. Salt Lake City, Utah is one of the places where locals were successful in blocking Kristi Nome and Donald Trump

from building one of their prison camps there. Salt Lake City, as of this last few days, they've just started doing trainings there to try to help other communities around the country replicate their success in stopping Trump prison camps wherever they are trying to build them. So, yeah, Kristi Nome at the Department of Homeland Security has at least succeeded in galvanizing and mobilizing and organizing huge slots of the country against her department and against her

and against Donald Trump. She has succeeded in making, for example, the people of Minneapolis, national heroes, for the way they stood up against Kristi Nome and Donald Trump. And in fact, turn back Homeland Security agents from their city. So, yeah, Kristi Nome already doing great. She is in charge of our Homeland Security right now at this incredibly fraught stupid dangerous time. Now that Trump has started this war. Specifically, I should mention that also means that Kristi Nome

is in charge of our cyber defense. I mentioned that Iran's security services and intelligent

Services are pretty sophisticated and well-resourced and their thought of us ...

international reach. One of the things they are best at and most ambitious at is cyber warfare.

Well, Kristi Nome and her infinite wisdom put who in charge of America's cyber defense?

It's this gentleman, Politico just profiled him. You see the headline there, cancelled contracts a failed polygraph and personal disputes inside the turbulent tenure of Kristi Nome's former

cyberzar. It's former. He's only been former since Thursday because they finally kicked him out of

that job on Thursday. The nation's top cyber security official lost his job on Thursday less than 48 hours before the Trump administration started a war with Iran, a particularly adept cyber rifle. I mean, this is the Homeland Security Department's premier cyber security division. And who is this guy? He had no prior experience in the federal government before Kristi Nome appointed him to leave the agency last May. But he had served a 10-month

stint under then governor-known as South Dakota's chief information officer. In August, he triggered

a DHS-wide damage assessment by uploading sensitive agency contracting documents into a public version

of chat GPT information that other staff of the agency weren't permitted to use for security reasons. He also failed a counterintelligence polygraph exam. Last July, he failed the polygraph? Yes, Homeland Security later dismissed the polygraph as quote "unsectioned" and accused staff of quote misleading him about the need for the test. So to be clear, Kristi Nome put this guy in charge of counter in charge of cyber security for the country, he then failed a counterintelligence polygraph

exam. And Kristi Nome's response to that was, well, you should have made him take that test.

And she kept him on in the job. Well, he was fine and South Dakota.

Do you can just imagine the kind of brilliance we have had at the helm of the nation's top cybersecurity agency in the United States? A particularly key job now that Trump has started a war with Iran. What else do you need to know about him? Well, there's this. Well, last summer, he temporarily suspended a assistant employee who had flashed a middle finger at his Tesla Cybertruck, while it sat unoccupied in an agency parking lot. Footage of the incident was captured

by the car's on board camera. The director had the sister security office identified the employee, the employee did not appear to know whose car it was at the time. He or she flipped off the vehicle. The employee was frustrated because the truck had been left in a shared electric vehicle charging port four days at a time. So this employee gives the Cybertruck the finger in the parking lot. And this guy goes into his dash cam footage and figures out who gave his truck the finger.

And then has that employee who works at the nation's premier cybersecurity agency suspended from his or her job because that person had the clarity to flip off his truck while he was not in it. That's who Kristi Nome put in charge of America's cybersecurity and he only got relieved

of his responsibilities in that job on Thursday. How did he last so long in that job?

According to Politico's reporting today, quote, "Nome was hesitant to remove him until recently because she and Homeland Security Department special advisor, Cori Lewandowski feared that firing him would, quote, reflect poorly on her." Okay. Homeland Security also oversees customs in Border Patrol, which accidentally shut down the airspace over El Paso a couple of weeks ago because customs in Border Patrol used a military laser to shoot

down happy Valentine's day. Mylar party balloons. Oops. Then last week, some other Texas airspace had to be shut down because this time it was Pete Heggseff's Fox and Friends Defense Department, also using a laser gun to shoot down a drone this time who whose drone was it. Oh, it was a drone from customs in Border Protection because this punch yourself in the face staggering genius is the level of talent we have handling our national security right now.

As President Donald Trump for no reason he can articulate, sets off what may end up being a worldwide conflagration with one of the most capable and unpredictable adversaries the United States has faced off against in generations. Yeah, it's a good thing we've

Got people of the caliber of Christy Nome attacking, I mean defending the hom...

like Cash Patel at the FBI. Instead of the experienced Iran specialist counterintelligence agents

who Cash Patel just fired literally last week right before we started bombing Iran.

They are not sending their best. We have a lot to get to tonight, Carol Lennyg is here with her new reporting Iraq War combat veteran in Democratic U.S. Senator Tammy Duckworth is here with us live tonight. Stay with us. The administration's latest actions and how they're affecting the American people.

American people are basically telling the president that they are not okay with any of this.

Sign up for the Project 47 Newsletter at MS.Now/Project 47. He said quote last night, I instructed our counterterrorism and intelligence teams to be on high alert and mobilize all assisting security assets needed. While the military handles force protection overseas, the FBI remains at the forefront of deterring attacks here at home. At the forefront, he says, at the forefront. That is the idea.

That said, new reporting from MS.Now's Carol Lennyg tonight says this quote, "When FBI Director Cash Patel fired a dozen FBI agents and staff last week, he targeted an elite counter espionage unit that investigates threats from foreign adversaries and specializes in Iran." According to more than half dozen sources with knowledge of the firings, the unit that Patel gutted known as C.I.12, conducts investigations of illegal media

leaks and mishandling of classified documents and also has veteran agents trained on threats and spy operations with a special focus on the Middle East, including Iran and its proxies.

Some of this was first reported by the New York Sun. I will tell you that Carol Lennyg is also

reporting tonight that at the FBI today and tonight, people there are bracing for potentially more firings in this unit. The FBI is denying that it has done anything to hamper the agency's counterintelligence capabilities. But as I said, Carol Lennyg reporting tonight that people inside the FBI are, quote, "bracing for the possibility that Patel will fire more agents and staff specifically on C.I.12." Joining us now is Carol Lennyg. I must now see your investigative course

on it. Carol, I really appreciate you making time to be here. I know it's a really busy time for you.

Thanks for focusing on this. It's really important. What does C.I.12 do?

C.I.12 is casually known. That's its kind of codename, but it's casually known as a global espionage squad

of the FBI. It's got a combination of agents, analysts, and also support staff based out of the Washington field office. It's been involved in a really interesting panorama of cases, Rachel, some of which you've covered extensively here. It worked on the case involving classified documents involving Donald Trump, hoarding and concealing hundreds and hundreds of top secret records at his home in Mara, Lago. It also investigated leak investigations. It investigated John Bolton

even and classified records that were found at his home or classified information for give me that was found at his home. And it also, with the exception of Russia and China, looks at espionage

and other threat information from foreign adversaries in other countries. This is important when

it comes to their specialty in the Middle East because they've been involved in essentially catching people on U.S. soil who are operatives of foreign governments and that includes Iran. Iran has a long and terrible history of assassinating people in other countries, not just in the Middle East, but throughout Europe have even making attempts here in the United States. I mean, going back decades, you look at in the 80s and 90s what they call the chain murders,

where there were literally dozens of Iranian dissidents and opposition figures who were killed mysteriously all over the world turned out to be an Iranian intelligence and security services plot that did that. It does seem like this is for everything else that Iran is and isn't. It does seem like they've invested a lot in their ability to kind of reach around the world

Affect the kind of change that the regime wants, specifically with assassinat...

other kinds of sabotage plots. Is that why the FBI sort of has this unit that works on it from Iran

that and they separate it from, for example, what China and Russia do and some of the other

big adversaries that we've got along those lines? You're on the right track of the reason Russia and China are separate is because there's so such behemoths, right, that they need their own teams essentially, their own specialists. But the Middle East is a great concern and Iran is chief among them. I mean, we all have, I hope, or all aware that when Donald Trump, it is first

presidency ordered the drone strike that killed a revolutionary guard. General of very beloved one

there, because some salamani, when that happened, it spurred literally multiple murder for higher operations, one that I wrote a lot about involved a fellow named usceaf merchant, who the FBI found here in Houston and also in New York offering to me former convicts, former releasees from prison and saying that he had up to a million dollars to offer people if they would help him kill Donald Trump. And let's put that in some scary context. He had done so much reconnaissance, the FBI discovered

that he had basically reviewed the secret service protocol for Donald Trump and he reported back

with pictures, how many agents surrounded Donald Trump at a time on the campaign trail after he left the presidency and was running again for reelection and had tracked, you know, how could you pierce essentially that circle, that bubble around Donald Trump? Wow. And again, the trial in that case, the trial, you know, that's ongoing. I mean, the federal prosecution around this is something that we owe to the counterintelligence work and the just apartment work to bring

those king things, to bring those things into federal court and air them out and firing the FBI agent to work on this kind of stuff at this time. It's just, it's hard to get our head around. MS now seeing it investigative. Yeah, go ahead, Carol. Sorry. I was just going to say one more line, which is, I mean, this is only the latest, right? We know of dozens of FBI agents who've been removed from the field, either forced out or resigning in, you know, disconsolate at what they've

been ordered to do and uncomfortable doing it, but we have lost, you know, centuries as Americans we have learned, lost centuries worth of experience in the FBI to protect us from this threat and many, many others. Yeah, heck of a time for it. MS now seeing your investigative correspondent, Carol Lenning, so grateful for your time tonight and for your reporting, Carol. Thank you. It's great to have you here. Thank you. Thank you, Rachel. Much more news ahead. Stay with us.

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to come explain why it is that Donald Trump has just started this war with Iran to at least try to persuade Congress that there is good reason to have done what he has done. One of the senators who spoke tonight is a decorated U.S. combat veteran Senator Tammy Duffworth lost most of her right leg and much of her left one when her blackhawk helicopter was hit by enemy fire in Iraq. Tonight Senator Duckworth issued a stark assessment of what she has heard

so far from the Trump administration and from the president himself about Trump's somewhat inexplicable new war in Iran. I am proud of every mission that I completed in Iraq,

but I would never wish another needless, endless, unjustified war like the one that I served in

on anyone else. For no reason he can explain, Trump is marching as closer and closer to another costly, bloody, protracted conflict, a war without any defined end state and even without a concept

of a plan for how to prevent the chaos and instability that will come next. Look, I believe there

are certain solemn urgent times when our military must be caught on to defend us. There are certain

Moments when the threatened question is significant and imminent, instances w...

the most effective tool at hand and that using it is necessary to protect America and her interests.

The thing is, from what little information Trump has shared publicly so far, this is not one of those times. Joining us now live is Senator Tammy Duckworth, the Democrat of Illinois member of the Senate Armed Services Committee in the Foreign Relations Committee. She's the recipient of a purple heart. Senator Duckworth, thank you so much for joining us. I really appreciate having you here tonight of all nights. Thanks for having me, I'm Rachel.

Do you understand tonight as we're sitting here talking live? Do you understand why the president started this war? Do you understand what the rationale for starting this war was?

Are you asking me to understand what they're telling me or what I think they're doing?

Yes, yes, yes, yes. There's two different things right now. The economy makes absolutely no sense. I mean, in the briefing that Rubio gave today,

basically he said, well, we knew that if somebody else hit thumbs, we're going to hit them first

so that they don't hit us second. It's just a circular logic and remember that earlier, just a couple of days ago, Trump said, oh, they have, they're going to develop their nuclear weapons. And this was just a couple of weeks after he said, oh, no, we destroyed their nuclear program. We annihilated it. So what is it? What is the imminent threat under article one of our constitution that justifies him doing this? Do what do I think he's trying to do? This is Trump.

Something is just, I think this is him playing to his oil interest. And I think this is

him trying to distract American people from the economy and from the Epstein files. That's what

he's doing. And he's using the lives of our brave men and women in uniform to do it. What is your sense of your colleagues in the Senate? Both on the Democratic side, but also across the aisle in terms of whether or not people are buying one of the self-contradictory rationals that they've offered for this fight, whether they believe that this is something that the Congress should retroactively authorize if and when there's a vote on it.

I don't know if my Republican colleagues are going to grow spine anytime soon. They've all become invertebrates. You know, they're hiding in their shells. I hope they do in this case. We've already lost six American service members lives and so many more are in harm's way right now. I hope that they hold their oath of office dear to their hearts than they do Donald Trump. I would hop to his me if my colleagues as possible to say, hey, bring them to the, you know,

let's have this debate on the floor. Let's talk about what, what are the reasons. And then we'll have that vote. The least we can do is you're a job. We certainly are expecting our service men and women to do their job, then we in Congress should have that debate. And then let's take the vote. In terms of what has been set off already here, we're seeing Iran making retaliatory strikes throughout the region in multiple countries. Saudi Arabia is reporting tonight that the U.S. embassy

in Riyadh in Saudi Arabia has been hit by two Iranian drones. The headlines tonight are just stark in terms of this having spread already to a dozen countries to nobody really understanding the reach that this might have or what the Ricochet effects of this might be. Both in terms of direct military action, but also in terms of economic consequences, refugee flows, energy, availability, what is your sense, just in a national security sense, in terms of how big this

conflagration might become and whether or not the Trump administration understands the scope of

what they might have said in motion. We have the least qualified secret defense on our nation's

history. I don't think they understand what they have done here. They've created a power of vacuum

in Iran. They have now basically enabled our adversaries like the PRC and Russia. And all of these

organized terrorist organizations now have been opening the way we created a power of vacuum for ISIS to rise in Iraq. Now we're at a place where Iran has lost its leadership. I don't warn Kamini at all. I'm glad he's dead. But now there's this instability in leadership there. And there's a power of vacuum. Unfortunately, the democracy protesters are not an organized group. And so this is as you're seeing spreading very, very quickly. I'll present an allies in the

region of being hit. Now we've got oil tankers being hit. This is going to and has already started spiraling out of control. Senator Tammy Duckworth of Illinois Senator, it's a real pleasure to have you anytime we can get you here on the show. But particularly tonight in the midst of all this, thank you so much for making time to be with us. Thank you. All right, we'll be right back, stay with us.

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owned Mexican restaurant, really popular place. Owners of that restaurant were forced to close

their doors for two weeks after the Trump administration's immigration raids in Minneapolis

made workers there. And a lot of people who eat there to afraid to come to work and to afraid to show up at a restaurant like that. Well, this week, local members of the Minneapolis community decided they would pack into Los Cactus and and for other immigrant owned restaurants affected by the ice attack on that city. People just made a big concerted effort to come out to patronize immigrant owned businesses and restaurants. That Los Cactus, they got a nice hot meal in their

bellies. And then they headed right back out into the cold Minneapolis weather that same day

to protest what the Trump administration has been doing to their city and others. When it comes to the backlash against ice, we obviously, in the show, have been keeping a close eye

on protests, particularly on protests now against the new Trump prison camps, which they are trying

to build all over the country, are reporting on that continues, even when we're not on the air talking about it, we're working on it. But I also want to tell you about something to keep an eye on tomorrow morning. We've been watching what really feels like a sort of growing revolt in the judiciary against the Trump administration, particularly against the Trump administration, defying court orders when it comes to the way they are treating immigrants. We've seen judge after judge of all

different ideological stripes repeatedly now, lamb-based in the administration for breaking court orders, specifically in the way they are treating immigrants and the tactics of their federal immigration agents. We've seen it from liberal and conservative judges in states all over the country,

including really conservative places like West Virginia. But now here's something to watch for

specifically tomorrow morning. This is fascinating. A federal judge in Minnesota has demanded that tomorrow morning, the Trump appointed U.S. attorney for Minneapolis and the civil division chief from that office and a representative for mice all need to show up in court in person to explain why Trump administration officials shouldn't be held in contempt for violating that judge's orders. And the case here is not just a general case about ice tactics and how

they've been treating people this past year. It's really specific. This case is whether being told to show up in person in the facing contempt charges, this case is about ice stealing stuff. It's about ice is repeated tactic of essentially stealing property from immigrants when they

detain them, taking cash, cell phones, jewelry, drivers licenses, IDs, passports and then never

giving them back. What is ice doing with these people's jewelry? The judge in this case says the U.S. government has until 9 a.m. central time tomorrow to return all of that stolen property that ice has taken from immigrants they have arrested or the judge says he will consider holding those Trump administration officials in contempt and he wants them in his courtroom tomorrow to look him in the eye when he does it. That hearing expected to happen at 9 a.m.

central time tomorrow. We will be watching. Watch this space. I'll see you tomorrow. Tomorrow the midterms kick off its election day tomorrow in Texas, North Carolina and Arkansas will have network coverage throughout the day. Then I will be here starting at 7 p.m. Eastern tomorrow night, joined by the whole team with Ali Velshy at the big board. So, rest up. We got another big day to come tomorrow. I will see you tomorrow night again

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