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Really happy to have you here. I took piano lessons when I was a kid. I was terrible because my hands don't work great, which is a free requisite for being good at playing piano. That said, I was kind of comparatively okay at reading music. Basically because I treated it like a word puzzle and word puzzles are the things that I'm best at in life. When you're reading music on the trouble clef, there are five lines for five
different notes and from bottom to top, they are EGBDF and the reason that I was always able to
“remember that even to this day now that I am very old is that I remember that with a nomonic device,”
a nomonic acronym. EGBDF, every good boy does fine. Still to this day, it has been like 50 years since I took piano lessons, but every good boy does fine. I remember the way those notes go up the trouble clef, up the staff there. On the base clef, similarly, there are five lines for five different notes. Those ones are GBDFA, basically impossible to remember, unless you create an nomonic device. Good bikes don't fall apart. GBDFA. Good bikes don't fall apart. And even your brain
works that way or it doesn't. Mine works that way. I love a nomonic device. Probably the most famous nomonic acronym like that is the one for the rainbow, which to this day is the only way I could remember the order of the colors in the rainbow, Roy G-Biv. Why can I remember Roy G-Biv? I don't know, but it helps me with red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo, violet. Roy G-Biv. There's also a really famous one for the great lakes. And with the great lakes one, it puts the
“lakes in no particular order. But you can remember the name of each of the five great lakes if you can”
just remember the nomonic acronym, HOMES. HOMES. HOMES. That's all you got to remember and you're very easily get to like here on Ontario, Michigan, Erie, Superior, HOMES, HOMES. And maybe your
brain doesn't work that way. That's the way my brain works. But I will say I am not the first
person to point this out. But if President Donald J. Trump is really going to insist on calling Lake Ontario like America now. That of course will mean that everybody's nomonic acronym for a name for remembering the names of the great lakes. Everybody's HOMES acronym for remembering the names of the great lakes will no longer work. If you're going to build yourself a nomonic for remembering the Donald Trump version of the great lakes now, it can't be HOMES anymore. Because you
have to drop the O and instead replace it with an A. And what possible acronym? What possible memorable
“word acronym can you come up with for, let's see, Superior, Huron, America, Michigan, Erie?”
We can no longer use the HOMES nomonic it now has to be shame. Shame is the new acronym for the Donald Trump era. Great lakes, nomonic device, which seems about right. And you know, I mean the best nomonic device is operated at a couple different levels, right? And I feel like that's a really handy device for thinking about this time in the Donald Trump era in governance. I mean Lake America, really? But broadly speaking, like whether you voted for them, that one point whether you
liked them at one point or whether you never voted for them, never liked them. I think a very,
very broad swath of Americans would agree that what he is doing now in office falls pretty clearly into the category of just shameful behavior, right? Making the country just do dishonorable or at least embarrassing things. Take, for example, the Trump administration contract flight that took off this weekend from Perofield Fort Worth Alliance in Terran County, Texas on Friday night. The New York Times reports that that flight took about 70 people, 70 shackled and chained people
To a random country in Africa that's in the middle of a civil war.
state department advises that any American who's going to travel there should have their
“DNA sampled and put on file before their trip, so their body can eventually be identified if and”
when they turn up dead because they traveled to this war-torn violent place, okay? The United States government under the leadership of Donald Trump this weekend sent dozens of shackled people to that country to the Central African Republic on Friday night. None of those people are known to have had any ties to that country whatsoever. We don't know that any of those people had any criminal history whatsoever nor do we believe that any of them consented to be brought to that
country and left there with nothing. But we do know that about 10 of the people on that flight
right at night were from Afghanistan, including a 24-year-old man named Khalil, who had been in the
United States specifically and explicitly because his family helped the U.S. military enough Afghanistan during our war there. And the U.S. military promise that in return for that help,
“the U.S. would protect that family and keep them safe from reprisals by the Taliban.”
Well, Khalil's family were in fact threatened by the Taliban because of their work for the U.S. military and because of that because the U.S. had promised to protect them, Khalil and his family were given legal permission to be in the United States. Well now, as of this weekend, Donald Trump has decided to honor that sacred commitment by flying Khalil shackled across the world to dump him in
the Central African Republic with nothing. CNN reports that others who have been sent there have
reportedly been told that they only have three months permission to stay in the Central African Republic now that they've been dumped there. They only have three months permission to stay in that country if they can survive that long. And then, at the end of three months, they will have to be deported somewhere else, which presumably could mean back to their country of origin, which in Khalil's case would mean back to the Taliban. From whom we, as a nation,
explicitly promised to protect him as part of the deal, as, as, as, as thank you and as a sacred contract in return for his family helping our military while we were at war there. Ryan Goodman at just security posted this remarkable statement from an active duty U.S. Marine Colonel. You'll see him here in just a moment. He is not wearing his uniform. He is speaking out of uniform. He's speaking in his private personal capacity, not speaking on behalf of the Department of Defense.
But here he is as an active duty U.S. Marine Colonel asking for help for Khalil for that guy. Because even if the United States government is now dishonorably and shamefully breaking that promise we made to Khalil in his family, this Marine Colonel personally was one of the Marines who made that promise on behalf of our country in person in Afghanistan. And he's now saying, if this government, if this government under Donald Trump, now it's decided it's going to break
“that promise. He at least will try to keep it keep that promise himself. What?”
Hi, my name is Colonel Zach Schmidt. I'm an active duty Marine speaking in my private capacity. I'm not representing the Marine Corps, the Department of the Navy, or the Department of War. In 2009, I deployed as a military adviser to the Afghan National Army. Part of my duties included or seen a small Afghan software company developing a personnel system for the Afghan National Security Forces. I personally saw the text messages and handwritten threats made against those men
and their families by the Taliban. Despite those threats, those guys came to work every day to use their skills to help their country become a better place. Part of the deal was the United States said it would take care of them and their families. One of those family members is a young man named Colleem. My understanding is that Friday night, he was removed to the Central African Republic after seeking asylum in the United States. I worked with Colleem's older brother in 2009. I know the
risks he took to help the United States. I owe it to Colleem's brother and their family to help share this story and advocate for Colleem's asylum in the U.S. Simply put, I wanted to help the United States on Earth's commitments to the Afghan civilians and their families who helped U.S. forces for so many years. I'm not here today in uniform. I just want to share my own thoughts. I'm here to say that I had a personal part and promises made to our Afghan friends and their families.
I want to do my part to help keep that promise. I want to do my part to help keep that promise.
I want to help the United States honor its commitments.
Imagine the bravery and the honor it takes on the part of that Marine Colonel to say,
you know, I was speaking for the United States of America when I made that promise in uniform in wartime to protect these people who were helping us. Now, the country, the president, is breaking that promise that I made on the country's behalf. But he's saying, "But I can't. I can't break the promise that I made. I have to speak out personally." While he's still in the Marine Corps, right? Still an active duty Marine.
In addition to the Afghans who were on that flight, it's also reported that some of the other
“people on board that same flight were from Iran. You know, you might remember,”
so only about six months ago when Donald Trump started a war with Iran. And he announced
that the United States would have the back of the Iranian people. He told the Iranian people that they should rise up against their government and the U.S. would back them if they did. Even today, online today, he's still growing about how terrible the Iranian government is to its own people, particularly their own people who protest against the government or who descent from the regime. Well, while he's saying that, publicly, meanwhile, this weekend,
Donald Trump just sent a whole bunch of Iranians who had come to this country seeking safety, seeking protection. He sent them shackled and chained on that same plane to the Central African
Republic, which again is in the middle of a civil war, and which reportedly will only allow
“these people to stay for three months if they can survive that long, and then they'll be deported.”
Again, presumably to their country of origin, which means back to the Iranian regime. I'll ask you by the National Iranian-American Council recently turned up Trump administration communications, apparently showing that the Trump administration has been working with the Iranian government, letting them, letting the Iranian regime hand-pick the people, the individual people, who the Trump administration will send back to Iran. People came here saying they had to
flee Iran because the government there was coming for them, the Trump administration then apparently went back to the Iranian government and offered the Iranian government information and individual names of these people who had fled Iran and then let Iran pick which of those people the US would force back to them. All the while Trump publicly proclaiming how much he supports the Iranian people and how terrible the Iranian regime is. There is a word for this, which also
happens to be a nomadic for Trump's humiliating unilateral renaming of the Great Lakes. And while we're on the subject of shame and Iran, today in Asheville, North Carolina, the US government hosted a meeting of the G20 Finance Ministers. So this is the G20 countries, 20 biggest economies. This is their finance ministers or you know, treasury secretaries of the equivalent and our treasury secretaries got beset as the host of this meeting announced that the
theme of this meeting would be cracking down on countries supporting Iran, right? Since the United States is at war with Iran, Scott Bessent has apparently been put in charge of trying to make it
“into an economic war against Iran. So Scott Bessent announced that's what this G20 meeting”
would be about. It'd be all about punishing countries for supporting Iran. Now the other countries don't necessarily agree that that's the best use of the G20 meeting like this, but that's what he says on behalf of the US government on behalf of the Trump administration. While simultaneously today, surprise the Trump administration decided to surprise everyone when the finance minister from Russia walked into the meeting. What is he doing there? Apparently
the White House unilaterally extended an invitation to Russia to be there at this meeting today, to send their finance minister to this meeting today, even though Russia hasn't been allowed into these things for years since they invaded Ukraine. But the White House invited him and so he was there. Let's talk about shame, right? Talk about humiliation, talk about embarrassment. There's US Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent out there publicly proclaiming that this meeting is all
going to be all about cracking down in any country that supports it run. And then Trump makes him roll out the proverbial red carpet, makes him extend a big unilaterally warm welcome to the finance minister from Russia to be there against everybody else's wishes,
The Russian finance ministers there today, because the White House insisted o...
The Russian finance minister was there today, literally the day before Russian president Vladimir Putin
is due to meet with the president of Iran. Because Russia absolutely supports Iran, not only economically, but with weapons and explosives and specific military intelligence for the Iran's to use in the war against us, including targeting US troops. So that's who gets the special invitation from the US government to the meeting that Scott Bessent is all about cracking down on countries who support Iran. Good luck selling that one, Mr. Secretary. Enjoy the face looking back at you
“in the mirror when you get home tonight. How's the shame factor? How's the humiliation?”
You know, if your country, if your government, if your president, is behaving chamfully, is being, you know, wildly hypocritical, is bringing what you believe to be disson or on your country.
Ultimately, it reflects on you as a citizen of that country, right? I mean, at least it does
if your country is a democracy. Because if you in a democracy have political freedoms, if you have the freedom to dissent, to protest, to vote no, to say you reject what your government is doing, then living in a democracy sort of bestows upon you the responsibility to do those things, to say no, to dissent. If you don't want that shame and dishonor from your government to land on you and your family as citizens of this country. And so you see that
“operationally with this active duty Marine Colonel saying, you know what? I, I have a responsibility”
to maintain my own honor here, to try to keep that promise on behalf of our country even as our government breaks it. You've also seen that operationally in the past few days in red state, Louisiana, where a new interfaith group of clergy and local residents in central Louisiana is standing up a new effort to oppose the Trump administration building a big new Trump prison camp for kids in Alexandria, Louisiana. They've already in Alexandria got the country's largest hub for deportation
flights. Now they want to add a huge new Trump prison camp for children and families adjacent to that site. And central Louisiana is saying no, Louisiana's inter church conference is trying to get the local airport authority to cancel its contracts with ICE to reject the construction of this big new Trump children's prison camp. People from all over Louisiana packed into the local board meeting Thursday night to plead their case. This is the local board in charge of approving these contracts.
They say they're going to schedule a new special session that wasn't already on the books for September 8th, which is next Tuesday, day after Labor Day, to discuss what's described in the local press as as mounting public concerns over family and children detention at that site. This scheduled a new session to discuss those concerns because of this outpouring of concern from people all over Louisiana, including locally in central Louisiana and in New York, Alexandria.
This stuff in central Louisiana follows another red state showing up and saying no to this kind of thing. In rural southern Nebraska, red willow county Nebraska where the state has been operating one of
“these immigrant prisons on Trump's behalf. You'll remember the most famous one was alligator alcatraz”
in red state Florida such a moral and financial and logistical disaster. They had to close it. It has already gone and has been completely dismantled. Nebraska's Republican governor apparently
won it in on that mess even as Ron DeSantis was getting out of it. Talk about something you'll never
live down. Nebraska's Republican governor Jim Pellan opened up this what they called the corn husker clink and now on the one year anniversary of that facility opening up, we just saw Nebraska's flood into red willow county and McCook, Nebraska where the facility is located to protest against that site. Hundreds of Indiana, excuse me, hundreds of Nebraska residents turned out. And it's not just Louisiana and it's not just Nebraska all over red state,
Indiana this weekend. There were protests more than 55 different locations all over Indiana. People calling for the Indiana governor to shut down what the Trump administration calls the Speedway Slammer immigrant prison near Kokamo, Indiana. That's the the real name there's the Miami
Correctional Facility protesters from all over Indiana in dozens of locations...
held this weekend. Want that facility shut down. There were prayer services and marches in every corner
“of the state of Indiana Friday, Saturday and Sunday this weekend. People calling for an end to ice”
prisons in the state full stop and an improvement in the conditions there in the meantime. There were also spontaneous protests this weekend in Memphis, Tennessee and in Danbury, Connecticut in response to ice raids in those cities. After the voting rights protest in Washington, DC on Friday, that was a big significant march and rally thousands of people from all over the country rallying and marching in Washington on Friday. In that spirit here's something to watch
locally really where the rubber hits the road on those kinds of issues. This is something to watch
for tomorrow Tuesday. In Territ County, Texas, which incidentally is that same county where the
flights to Africa have been taking off with all those chained and shackled people on board. In Territ County, Texas, which is fort worth the Republican County Commissioners there are trying to close down dozens of voting locations ahead of this year's midterm elections. And Texas, of course, has incredibly high stakes elections this year. They've not just got there, you know, the whole state legislature on the line and all those congressional seats. I mean, Texas has
Democrat James Tallarico versus Republican Ken Paxton in that huge Senate race, a race in which Tallarico is consistently ahead in the polls now. They've got Democrat Gina
Inohosa running a really strong campaign against incumbent Republican governor Greg Abbott.
Inohosa is really, some might say shockingly close to Greg Abbott in these polls. Texas has these incredibly high stakes elections with so much on the line. And in Territ County, Fort Worth, the Republican County officials, they are trying to shut down voting locations on college campuses specifically and dozens more locations all over that county before the voting in November. But you know what, Territ County is not going along with it.
This is what happened last month when those same county commissioners announced that they were going to try to shut down over 100 voting locations in Territ County. People turned out in huge numbers
“and I think basically totally overwhelmed the Territ County commissioners. And so when they did”
this last month, August 4th, the commissioners backed off and they didn't do it. But now tomorrow, Tuesday in Territ County and Fort Worth, they're going to try to do it again. Those same Republican County commissioners, this time we're going to try to shut down 92 voting locations in Territ County. Texas Democrats are calling on Territ County residents to once again flood that Territ County commission meeting tomorrow to say no, to tell them no, to tell them the county is not
having it. So I mean, we're talking Texas, Tennessee, Indiana, Nebraska, Louisiana, like this is not liberal America, you know, standing up and saying no, you can't do this in our name. This is just America. This is America, including Red State America all saying no, saying yeah, you can try the stuff, but we are going to fight you every step of the way because this is our legacy too. When a country's government, when a country's president tries to do something shameful,
“something that dishonors us as a country, the shame honestly accrues to all of us if we don't fight”
back and we don't say no. But if we do fight back and we do say no, that shame accrues to him alone, just to him and his helpers. Some of that hard, hard pushback against Trump right now is coming from the reddest parts of the country, including from the state that Poles say is the single most pro-Trump state in the entire country. And we've got that story for you here next. Stay with us. Hey everybody, it's Rachel Mado here. I want to tell you that more than a dozen of us from MS
now are going to be in Texas on Saturday, September 26th. I'm going to be there. Lawrence O'Donnell will be there, so we'll gen Sochi. A whole bunch of us are all going to be there in Texas. Tickets started just over 30 bucks each and if you buy a ticket, you will get access to our new MS now membership free for a year. Tickets for Texas are on sale now. You can learn more at MS.nale/together. Hope to see you in Texas. Poles say that right now the most pro-Trump
state in the country is Wyoming. In the last presidential election, Trump won the state of Wyoming but more than anyone any other state in the country. Trump won Wyoming by a margin of 45 points.
Even as as Trump's approval rating craters nationally right now, polling cons...
the state with the least unfavorable view of Donald Trump is Wyoming. The cowboy state just loves
“the bleach blonde makeup wearing thrice married real estate developers son from Queens.”
Because of course they do. Go figure. But that is why the political headlines in Wyoming this
summer are a warning sign for this White House and for hardline Republicans everywhere. First,
that was the Wyoming Republican primary this month. Not only did Trump's preferred candidate lose the primary for governor but in the state legislature, Wyoming's ultra-maega freedom caucus just got their bots handed to them. In the Wyoming state Senate, there were six members of the Freedom Caucus incumbents who lost their seats in the state house. There were 13 members of the Freedom Caucus incumbent lawmakers in the state house, 13 who lost their seats.
And then that was the news after the election. Real heads up everywhere for everyone as the
“general election approaches in November. Last week after that primary election in Wyoming,”
Republican governor Mark Gordon announced that he was really mad about the monitors that had
been sent by Trump's justice department to monitor the polling places in his state. Wyoming Republican governor Mark Gordon saying quote, "It was aggressive, unexpected, disruptive, certainly didn't seem to show respect for the state." The county clerk in Laramie agreed saying the observer's quote showed complete disregard for our Wyoming state laws and said the monitors asked questions that were quote outside the scope of federal voting rights laws.
Governor Sissy has now asked the state attorney general to look into it, to look into what these Trump administration DOJ monitors did in the state of Wyoming. From the Wyoming governor quote, "I'm not saying anything went wrong or anything else and I certainly think the conduct of this election was phenomenal," he said quote, "I feel very strongly about federal government coming in and taking our guns. I don't like that." And I don't like federal government coming in
and taking our votes either. Joining us now is Maggie Molin, a fifth generation Wyoming resident, she's now covering state government politics at the independent news outlet, WIO file. Maggie, thanks very much for joining us. I really appreciate you being here tonight. Yeah, well thanks for having me, Rachel. Help me understand why officials in the state government including the governor, this very outspoken way, why they were so upset about these DOJ monitors.
“Yeah, I think for a lot of these local and state officials including the governor,”
what really upset them the most was the fact that these two monitors showed up unannounced, right? The governor's office wasn't aware this was going to happen, the Wyoming office of Homeland Security, the Wyoming Attorney General, and the Laramy County clerk who oversees elections in Cheyenne, Wyoming's most populous city. And you know, this is also, you know, you just sort of illustrated this point with that quote from the governor, but Wyoming is very much a state's right state,
and I think something like this upsets a lot of voters and for officials, I think they were upset to be caught by surprise by these monitors. The thing that I think from outside the state is surprising is the sort of national partisan lens that we put on something like this. I'm happy to hear you describe like, you know, this is the state's rights, this is about, you know, sort of any federal government, it's about Wyoming's independence, and that maybe is the better lens to see this through,
but because it is a national election here, because we do have the mid-terms, because sort of in the Trump era, I feel like all Republican politics is sort of Trump inflected. How unusual is it for Governor Gordon to come out so forcefully against the Trump administration and against a real like
marquee Trump administration action like this? It's not the first time the Governor Gordon has
broken with the president, but it isn't sharp contrast to in 2025 when Wyoming's Secretary of State Chuck Gray made Wyoming the first state to hand over a sensitive voter data to federal government, and Governor really hasn't weighed in on that. Meanwhile, county clerks say that voters were very upset about that, right? County clerks are the face of elections and Wyoming and they're the officials that deal with voters and they come to the county clerk's desk and also
that decision by the Secretary of State is being challenged in court right now, but the governor
Really hasn't weighed in on that, so it's not the first time that he's come o...
but it is a little bit unusual, you know, in this particular, with this particular issue. And briefly, Maggie, the governor did say that he wanted the attorney general to investigate this matter, do we know if there's any sort of AJ investigation at this point? Yes, so the governor's office is holding off at least appears to, they don't want to call it an investigation at this point, but the governor has said that he's asked attorney general Keith Couts
to, he said, look into the nature of this visit and so we're waiting to see if we hear more about
“that, but that's what we know right now. Maggie Mullin, reporter from WIO file, thank you very”
much for helping us understand this tonight. Wyoming politics is always interesting. It's particularly
fascinating right now. We'd love to have you back to talk more in the future. Thanks so much for being with us. Thanks, Rachel. All right, you know, it is interesting. People ask me all the time about you know, what I expect to happen or what we think is going to happen or whether the country's prepared for Trump trying to do something really nefarious with the elections, stealing, stealing votes, meaning like, taking voting boxes, seizing voting machines, seizing voting,
seizing balance. And I don't know what Trump's going to do, but I do know that there are antibodies in every state in this country against a president trying to do something like that,
against a federal government trying to do something like that, even literally in the most
“proud, pro-Trump state in the country. And that's what that Wyoming story shows, fascinating to”
watch. Much more ahead here tonight. Stay with us. Hey, everybody. It's Rachel Maddo here. I want to tell you that more than a dozen of us from MSNow are going to be in Texas on Saturday, September 26th. I'm going to be there. Lawrence O'Donnell will be there. So we'll gen Saki, a whole bunch of us are all going to be there in Texas. Tickets start at just over 30 bucks each, and if you buy a ticket, you will get access to our new MSNow membership free for a year.
Tickets for Texas are on sale now. You can learn more at MS.nail/together. Hope to see you in Texas. I was 16 years ago, 2010, a mysterious hole opened up in front of the White House in Washington. The hole was several stories deep, reporters, and just pastors by, could see cranes, lowering really big concrete blocks into the hole. You could see trucks curting in huge steel beams, construction workers filing in and out like a giant ant farm. It was crazy.
Parts of the White House itself were also concealed behind a big fence for months. Well, what was going on? Well, the Obama White House said at the time that that big construction project just sort of seemed bigger than it was. They said it was an overdue upgrade of underground utilities. They were replacing water and sewer lines and electrical wiring and
heating systems and air conditioning systems, basically all the guts of the operation for a big
campus like the White House. Underground utilities. That said, it did say it did seem like kind of a big project, even for that. As the associated press noted at the time, quote, inevitably, the
“work has field speculation that what's really being built is some secret new underground layer.”
Well, decade and a half later, thanks to new reporting from the Washington Post, we now know they were, in fact, building a secret new underground layer. They were building a bunker. It wasn't upgrading the utilities. They were building a whole new thing. According to two former officials who spoke to the Washington Post, quote, "the facility, which was secretly completed during the Obama administration,
can house dozens of people for up to multiple weeks." Quote, "It's buried more than 60 feet underneath the White House complex and built to withstand a nuclear blast. Ensuring the President and his team have a secure command center to run the country in times of extreme arrests." So that is interesting reporting even at normal times, right? Wow, this thing that everybody joked must be a new underground
layer, 15, 16 years ago, actually was. But that reporting has arrived, not at normal times. It has arrived now in this summer of 2026, while President Donald Trump and his administration are arguing in court that they must be allowed to build his gigantic new dictator chic ballroom on the White House grounds, because it's a national security necessity, because that ballroom will include a nuclear proof bunker, which is what Trump needs to be able to run the country
During a national security crisis.
bunker, and it's not even that old. It was the one that was built under President Obama
“and kept secret until the Washington Post revealed its existence. Now.”
Nevertheless, today, the United States Supreme Court allowed construction of Trump's ballroom to continue indefinitely. Interestingly, though, the ruling was five to four. Chief Justice John Roberts joined the liberal justices in a dissent, saying, quote, "That construction is likely unlawful." The Supreme Court today, with its chief justice and dissent, letting Trump continue with that ballroom construction, despite the fact that the main
national security justification for it has been debunked. Trump, of course, is pursuing multiple weird dictator chic vanity projects in DC. He wants to build a giant arch in his own honor. He has tried to rename it as now threatening to demolish the Kennedy Center. He's insisting on a tacky and likely destructive paint job for the Eisenhower executive office building. And even as he outright ignores the law in his pursuit of these projects, his administration is
in the process of trying to gut the law that protects all of America's cultural and historic sites across the country, which could put it risk not just the places Trump is already targeting in
DC, but more than a million sites across the US. The White House is going to have a fight on its hands
with that one, though. More than 600 historic preservation groups, architectural associations, tribal governments, and others have formed a new coalition to stop the Trump administration from gutting this law. They have a plan to get Congress to pay attention and to actually assert its authority on these matters. They've got an open letter sent to every member of Congress. In the coalition members point out that these at-risk sites are in every congressional
“district in the country. They highlight certain ones that hold special significance for key lawmakers.”
They're asking people to meet with their members of Congress to urge them to block the administration's changes. They're offering materials like a district meeting playbook to help constituents tell their representatives why these historic preservation laws are important in their communities. Joining us now is Greg workhizer. He's co-founder of cultural heritage partners, which is a law firm that assembled this coalition of organizations. Mr. workhizer,
thanks very much for being here. I appreciate it. Thank you, Rachel. Good evening. Let me ask what sorts of projects, what sorts of either existing actions by the Trump administration or potential actions by the Trump administration is this coalition intending to oppose? Well, we are seeing threats to America's national
historic preservation act from three different parts of the government. First, the president
himself through his pet projects is attempting to establish precedent that gives the executive extraordinary power in some cases to defy Congress, but certainly to act outside of the rules that apply to everyone else when you're developing a project that might impact historic resources. And secondly, you've got the Advisory Council for Historic Preservation, which is a federal agency now stacked with Trump loyalists that are attempting in short to gut the National Historic Preservation
Act, which has been operational and functional and doing well, quite frankly, for 60 years. And I can give you some examples of what I mean by gutting. I'm wish I were exaggerating. I'm not. And then thirdly, Congress itself has been listening to the lobbying talking points of big industry that tell them that this process of looking before you destroy historic sites while you're permitting projects slows down projects. The fact Congress hasn't asked for any evidence
nor have they received any factual evidence to back up that assertion. I mean, this president clearly feels like he should be able to tear down anything and build anything at public expense simply because he's the president. I don't feel surprised anymore, and I don't feel very much ambiguity in terms of understanding the president's own mindset about these things. That said, I do find it harder to get into the mindset of the Supreme Court
in terms of how they feel like the president's actions might be lawful, given their supreme role in policing those sorts of things. Can I just get your reaction to the Supreme Court
“willing today letting Trump continue, at least for now, constructing this borrow?”
Sure, what was interesting to me about the decision is the majority did not say that the president's actions were lawful. In fact, they expressly declined to a pine on the legality. They had a narrower decision, which was about whether or not the plaintiff representative of
The National Trust for Historic Preservation had standing.
could they get through the courthouse door where they appropriate to bring this lawsuit. And by a
“five to four decision, the Supreme Court said that the aesthetic harm to that plaintiff suffered”
was not enough in their opinion. But as you mentioned earlier, Chief Justice Roberts writing the dissent went a little bit further and said that the president's actions likely are illegal, and do violate the provision that Congress gave itself to oversee or at least authorize major projects in the District of Columbia and the nation's capital. So it'll be interesting to see how this rolls out. Each of these cases that you mentioned earlier, the arch, the EOB, the Kennedy
Center, the reflecting poll, the list goes on and on. Each of them have their own distinct profile, distinct plaintiffs, legal theories, and questions of standing. So there'll certainly be perceived as a setback, the Supreme Court's decision today. It really leaves open the question Rachel, if Americans cannot sue to enforce laws that protect property that belongs to Americans and not to a president who can sue. Yeah, exactly, standing indeed.
Greg Workhizer is co-founder of the law firm, cultural heritage partners, has put together this national coalition of protect and strengthen section 106 of the National Historic Preservation Act. Mr. Workhizer, thanks very much for being with us. I'd love to have you back as these cases advance or appreciate it. Thank you, Rachel. Have a good evening. I continue to think that
“somebody could put together a pretty strong political platform just by saying, you know what?”
Day one, as soon as he's gone, and new leadership has taken over in Washington, we're going to unpaved the rose garden and we're going to pry all of the superglude, gold fittings off of the oval office walls and we're going to put the East Wing back up and we're going to take down all the amusement park style statues that he stuck all over the White House grounds. We're just going to put everything back to the way it was and get back to not being embarrassed about what
the nation's capital looks like. I don't know, it seems to me like that might be a good political platform for somebody, but we're not there yet. We'll be right back, stay with us. One of the things we'll look back and remember about the Donald Trump era in U.S. Governance is cyclospora, the disgusting, explosive diarrhea parasite that has been sweeping the
nation in Donald Trump's second term in office. According to the CDC right now, there are over 17,000
lab confirmed cases of cyclosporia cyclosporiasis, excuse me, across the country. And those are just the cases that we know about. We're currently dealing with multiple outbreaks of cyclosporia, the biggest one being the outbreak that was linked back to iceberg lettuce last week. Trump's FDA announced that recalled lettuce related to this outbreak, quote, "should no longer be available in stores or restaurants?" He were there being "should" while it is increasingly clear that we need
more resources to track and contain cyclosporia and other dangerous foodborne illnesses. We are seeing the opposite unfold in Trump's second term. We've known since last year that Trump scaled back a monitoring system that specifically tracked cyclosporia outbreaks for decades, that move effectively shut off the alarm system for cyclosporia on the federal level. But political has new details on just how much the Trump administration has screwed up the
cyclosporia response and has effectively cratered our ability to handle this crisis moving forward. Quote, USDA cyclosporia research, USDA cyclosporia research projects shelved amid funding cuts and
“relocations. Quote, the Trump administration is shuttering research projects key to the federal”
government's fight against cyclosporia. The foodborne parasites sickening thousands of Americans this summer. Two of the three projects that represent nearly all of the USDA's study of the parasite
were defunded earlier this year. The third is slated to move from Maryland to Iowa this fall.
Even though that project still has money, every scientist working on the parasite has declined to participate in that relocation. According to people familiar with the plans and documents shared with Politico. Quote, the following out of all three projects, which has not been previously reported, is expected to hinder vital food safety research at a time when Americans are increasingly worried that they can't trust the food supply. We knew already they had shut off the monitors,
now we know they have also shut off the research about how to stop these things. Bon appetit! Watch this space.
All right, that's going to do it for me tonight.
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