‘Eddie and the Cruisers’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan

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>> I just shared the story that he just told me. We brought the little chocolate. >> When I was like, you know what we need for CR month is like an a moro. >> After the big meal. >> Yeah, like a little after dinner drink.

>> Comments of the house. >> No, no, no, no. >> Drinks are on. >> No, no, no. >> A movie we've circled for five years.

And this is a victory lab for us, because this is only a couple times. This has ever happened. >> Yeah.

>> Where we've gathered America and the streamers and the companies to just basically

revive movies that we love. >> One thing about corporate America is they listen. >> They do. >> They do. >> Eddie and the Cruisers.

It's next. [MUSIC] >> All right, Eddie and the Cruisers. Best musicals ever grease, Eddie and the Cruisers, and that's it. >> It was only two drops off right after that.

>> Those are the big two. There's no big three, it's a big two. >> All that jazz, there's a lot of really big musicals. >> For me. >> Eddie and the Cruisers.

>> Okay, drop off. Chicago, I don't want some Oscars. >> Right. >> I know my story with this being.

I was surprised you liked this movie, because we never talked about it.

And then you were like, I love this movie. So what was your history with it? >> The film beat me into submission, because he's on for interest. >> On so much. This is the biggest fucker algorithm movie ever.

Everything now is controlled by algorithm. You get told what to watch. My 80s and 90s algorithm was just superior. Because they kept it was probably not even a computer program. Some guy named Jim.

There would be a charge of programming what was on HBO, some do, right? And they put this movie on until I had watched, like Major League. And all that's a guy from time to time, watched, stuff with Ellen Bartel. I was going, you know what, fucking, I'm gonna watch it. And then after that, I watched it every single time it was on television, every time.

>> Same for you. >> I have a weird relationship with this movie, which is I'm sure I watched it. And it's a day on HBO when it was on in the 80s, like every other minute. But I think that, like, well, if I remember correctly one day I was in the car.

And I was like, whatever this song is rules, and it was dark side. Because the soundtrack popped off in the mid-80s, because of the HBO revival of this movie.

“So I think dark side, I was like, what's this band?”

And it was like, it's a band with a movie about it, but the band isn't real. And that blew my mind. >> My background was 1984 flipping channels and watched the last six minutes of this movie, including the surprise ending. Okay.

And I was like, huh, week later, watch it from the beginning. Now I'm furious. I know the surprise ending. Think about how many was on cable. And then it was on over and over again.

And I think it's one of the 20 movies I've seen the most in my life. Yeah. I know all the words to everything. I know all the scenes. Like, and I'm that proud of it, was just on all the time.

We had less channels. And they didn't have a lot of movies. Like, CR, you have the HBO little guides next to you on that little stand over there. They didn't really have a ton of movies, because they only had licenses for whatever. So they would just rerun the same.

Like, they ran either the first of the second Rambo was just on all three times a week. >> Yeah. >> Nine o'clock at night. Back to school. >> Yeah.

>> A lot of days we feel all the time. So this was just in the thing and the thing with music, movies is, you know, you, I would just watch this part and all of a sudden you watch to have power. The middle of this movie, there's what, 15 minutes in the middle when he goes to the

Lounge.

>> When you go to the lounge. >> When you go to the lounge. >> Yeah.

“>> That is just like one of my favorite 15 minutes stretches in a movie.”

And I'm taking it back to HBO, 1994, Craig, here's what they had boxing.

This is when Tyson was coming into his own, they had the comedy specials, cause they had a Murphy delirious and George Carlin and some of those guys. >> When it's comic relief around that night, that's 86. >> Not necessarily the news that started, which was like their answer to SNL. The hitchhiker, which had nudity in every episode.

Basically the premise of the hitchhiker was somebody fucked somebody else and then they die. And that would be the episode. >> Is there any hitchhiking involved? >> At the end, the guy would have a little --

>> The guy would have a little -- >> A little fortune cookie thing, CR thoughts, CR months would give him more talent. What he didn't realize is it would kill him. And then he would just walk away with the slum out. First and ten with OJ.

They would have some concerts. >> First scene. >> First scene. >> First scene. >> First scene.

>> First scene. >> First scene. >> First scene. >> First scene. And then just movies.

Lots and lots of movies. They weren't really making the original movies yet at this point. I think that the Terry Fox story. They'd be one or two others. So something like that in the cruisers, once got in the rotation, that was it.

But what's crazy is this movie Bond when it came out and found life on HBO, yes. Which led to on the dark side, finding radio station and a year after it came out. >> Yeah.

“And the fact is that the band Eddie and the cruisers from the movie almost mirrors the story”

that Eddie and the cruisers tell us, people are like, wait, what's this band? Like even John Caffrey winds up getting like a cup of coffee because of this band, because of this movie. But like it's essentially the same story as the movie's minus the possibly missing Bob Dylan Esk figure.

>> So you think John Caffrey should have done that? >> To take to her death? >> To take to her death? >> Yeah. >> It's interesting.

But it doesn't just become like a regular hit. The song that like goes like number three. >> Yeah. >> It's like a giant hit. >> Yes.

>> Actually, it became, it was the number one song. The rock Billboard charts, it was number seven overall, number seven overall. There was a week where it was number one, the fix was number two, Bruce Springsteen, Lindsey Buckingham, David Bowie, and you two were the top six. >> Yeah.

>> That was the level. Was that? It was on all the time. >> Consider that though. Consider how much, I mean, obviously the song is such a good radio play and stuff like that.

But think about how much the movie has to be on for that song then to make it from the movie into people's minds, then radio, then, and this is a year after the film has already, it's like, that's almost will be impossible for it to happen. >> Also a crazy music year, it's not like 1984, it was like a real huge, it was like so many major stars at that point.

>> Yeah, I was reading the Washington Post did an article about this movie's staying power. >> Yeah. >> And they talked to the writer, Sherman Alexis, this is great novelist for Reservation Blues.

She actually had this great quote, it was, the VCR turned movies into songs into hit songs. So movies that you could play over and over and over again.

And that's basically what this pod was originally about, it was about movies that you wound

up just walking in midway through, maybe only sitting down for one or two seasons. >> Yeah. >> I don't want to get up and go to dinner yet because this might happen in this movie, and that's kind of like what happens in any of the cruisers of like, you're passing by and you're like, oh wait, are they about to go to the writing of Dark Side?

>> Yeah. >> Okay, I'm going to stick around for watching them write Dark Side. >> You should see. >> What does the pod about now, CR?

“>> Well, it's just about, I think it's more about great movies, right?”

>> Yeah. >> Movies? >> Yeah. >> I think that, but that was the initial conceit of the pod. To me, it's like, there's maybe like five or six moments where HBO became like really

part of pop culture. And the fact that it could take this movie that bombed and was nothing and turned into a iconic, rewatchable movie for everybody who grew up in the '80s and '90s, that's like up there with the Eddie Murphy Delirious Concert that really pushed him to another level, comic relief.

Then having like real boxing, like I think I watched, I want to say I watched Kooney Holmes or one of those in '80s when maybe his prior arc wereo, just fights that they would just, you would have to go close circuit and instead they were on HBO and some of the comedy specials they had, it just, all of a sudden, it felt like it's like Holy Shit there, mainstream when they got inside the NFL, that was a huge deal.

>> It's kind of the model, Netflix is doing now, right? >> Yeah. >> And it's funny, because I was going back and reading the perception of HBO in '83, '84,

where they were like, we don't want people to come to theaters when it was basically all

the same Netflix that we'd have 40 years later, Michael Paray in 2018, talking about this movie, he said, "The whole idea is to leave your mark on the world and impact people to make them think in a in that way, I think the movie was pretty successful.

We didn't get much of a theatrical run, but we've got history.

>> Is that your Michael Paray? >> I didn't do my Michael Paray, but this movie was so beloved that they end up making a sequel that for some reason, Van Watch recently. >> I don't even watch a sequel. >> I didn't like the sequel.

>> I've seen it before, the sequel just like it wasn't even on as much, they didn't put on, on, on kids with that. >> You could tell that, obviously, like most sequels, they thought, "Hey, there's fertile ground to continue this story, but they didn't think of actually a way to actually story first continue the story."

>> So Craig, we've talked about this movie for five years.

“You don't have to tell us what you thought yet, but what was in your head?”

What did you think it was going to be versus what was it? >> I got to say, when you texted, I didn't know the movie was about it all and when Bill texted us saying, "It's a 95-minute musical drama, I was kind of thrown off my tilt though, you and musicals, I don't usually put together." I don't even know if I'd really call this movie a musical, it just has music in it.

>> It's not a musical. >> It's like eight musical performances are legion and they are like, "We're doing the whole song." >> Yes. >> I mean, we're not here.

It was pretty much that full song. >> Yeah. >> The movie is so good. I call something a musical, if the music drives story. So if the music in the movie drives story, a lot of people think that it's a musical if

the dialogue is sung at some point, but if the music, like in this movie, the musical numbers drive different story points and to me that makes it a musical. >> Well, we got to talk about Michael Paray. This was literally the apex mountain for him, and he had a couple other bats, but the eddy became his signature guy.

He's lip-sinking, everything, and it's one of the best, I'm trying to think of a better lip-sinking where it really seems like he's singing. The voice of the band sounds like his voice. He's got the charisma of a leading guy, the way he moves around the stage. Really convincing.

The only other one I can really think of is Rami Malik, as Freddie Mercury, and Boomin Rhapsody. >> Which one? Him the Oscar.

“>> I thought, I think Shaolin is pretty good as Dillon doing like when they're like, "I think”

that's the same thing." >> Yeah, I just mean like the way he moves around with a guitar and like, but I'm saying,

Michael Paray never sings in this.

>> Right. >> Like Shaolin was saying, "Bow Comer," who we talked about in the doors was incredible, but he's actually singing. This is him lip-sinking the whole time, and it actually works. >> He also pulls off mysterious rock star, super awesome.

The whole movie is based around this mystery that there was just more going on with anything we thought there was, right, and even in death. And for your first role, this is first big deal, right? >> Yeah. >> For your first role, for your founding.

>> Yeah, for him to be like brooding rock star, mysterious guy. He really sells that really well, and if he doesn't work, then obviously the whole movie is fine. >> Being actor in a band is probably like being an actor in a basketball movie, like you can either choose to get the guy who looks right playing music or the guy who's like, the good actor who you can kind of cut around.

Like, I don't think, I know Behringer learned a bunch about playing keyboards, but they are cutting around Behringer's hands.

They never show Behringer's hands, really.

They got Eddie in full wide shots, walking around with the guitar, his guitar moves going into the crowd. >> Kind of, they're pretty close, like I don't know whether he's learned a play guitar for this, but it looks pretty good to me. He's also carries himself like the leader of a band, like you actually buy that he's

in charge of the band. He's ordering these guys around, and the movie taps into, I don't know, there's some pretty cool themes in this that I don't even really fully know if they, what they were getting into when they wrote this, I don't know how much thought they put into the script,

“but about the concept of, like, how great can somebody be?”

>> Right. >> They're making these songs, they're sung out this club every night, everyone in the band is delighted to be there, and Eddie's like pursuing something that's a little higher than everybody else that he's with, and that's really all he cares about, and they're guys don't say it, it's kind of cool.

We've seen this theme in some other movies and TV shows, but I like how they do in this. >> Yes. >> Well, it's based on the novel, right? >> Yeah. >> It is.

>> And the novel's more of a mystery. >> Yeah. >> It's like somebody is like, was Eddie murdered? >> Interesting. I have thoughts on that at the end, by the way.

It seems as if one of the novel is like incredibly important, like people were saying that's one of the best rock and roll novels out there. So there was some sort of fluji, flu, flu, flu, flu, flu, flu, something like that.

I give Michael Paray two possible words that we have in Flex categories we never use.

The Sasha Jenkins Award for actor, you can't believe, they didn't become a star. >> Sure. >> And the Ted Levine Award for performance so good and distinct it might have inadvertently rude as career. >> Ted Levine also on something very bad is going to happen.

>> Oh, really?

>> Yeah. >> Were you surprised when you watched this, that this was his peak, Michael Paray? >> Yeah, I had that same category written down as a Flex possibility.

I think he has an incredible stage presence that, like, his physicality is so good when

he's at the scene where Eddie's at the college, and he's talking to the crowd, there's like that edge. This is a Spencer where you're like, I think this could turn Darkey's angry. >> Yeah, and he kind of like commands the attention of everyone there, and it's holding you on that edge of, I don't know if something's going to happen, it's pretty impressive.

>> He's really good. >> He's good on stage, just offstage where he's just delivering lines, he's not as great. >> He's limited in this. >> Yeah, he's limited in this. >> But actor gave him hell too, so it sounds like it was like a tough shoot in that regard.

>> Because like, in Greece, Trevolt is just really good, like you watch that and you're like,

“"Hey, that guy's good at this." Yeah, and that's how I feel about Parag, except he's somehow”

not singing. And then you a barrencher, you mentioned Wordband, who did this in Big Show in the same year. >> The Wordband. >> Big Show. Massive movie, like kind of a generational adult movie.

>> Sure. >> He's with all these actors. This was Lawrence Castan, but he's also in this, which doesn't do well, and he's probably a little embarrassed by this one, and then somehow they both live on. >> Do you put barrencher in the William Peterson, like, what happened?

>> Because he, both guys, William Pearson, of course, you know I love William Peterson. Both guys seem like they have everything to be just like one notch higher. So I would argue he actually delivered on some of that, because he platoon, he gets nominated, that's a great part. Someone to watch over me, Ridley Scott, we love that movie.

He's in shoot to kill Betrayed, last night's Major League all in like two years. He had like, you know, seven year run of like he was leading movie. >> It's not unlike if you take the group of guys who was in Bicchill, you know, he and William had really good 80s and then started to fade and get passed by the cast iron. There's a whole line push through the 90s for you.

“>> So that's what I'm saying, I'm saying that like, I mean, when you think about it,”

the nomination for Platoon is like, like, Bicchill is dealing, he's fantastic in that movie. >> Yeah, it's terrifying, but climb and goal blown is what I would have thought, just like a little bit more, because he gets to a point then by the time you get to the sniper era, he's almost out of, I love that movie. >> And it's substitute, yeah, like he's almost out of gas and being taken seriously.

>> Possibly he let him mildly heard life. >> Yeah, I mean, he's still, it looks pretty rough and sliver and that's 1993 and it looks like he's 20 years old. >> He's in an inception, he's an inception, I haven't seen him much recently. >> There's an amazing what if with him, do you know what TV show he turned down?

>> No, Sunnycrack it. >> No, shit. >> It turned it down. >> That straight-up doesn't work in no way, should it work? >> He doesn't work if he's Sunnycrackin'.

>> I think he has too much baggage at that point, because he's been in movies and we know of his. Don Johnson had no, nobody knew he was. >> Right. >> Don Johnson.

“>> I think Patrick had a done it though.”

>> Oh man, don Johnson is, he's beautiful, he's a little slimy, he's a little mysterious, like it's a completely different show of Tom Beringers. >> Don Johnson is funny. >> No, you're not, you know, I love Don Johnson, of course. >> But I think Beringer would've, it would've been okay.

>> Yeah.

>> I always liked him, I always thought there's some, there's some costume with him,

there's some ladyman stuff, like he's good in this role, he's good to play in a cop. >> Patuens probably the biggest, I don't know, swing he took, but major league. He's just kind of like the good guy, like that guy's a solid guy, trust this guy. He's like Kevin Costner with, like, with like a more, like weathered face, you know what I mean? >> But he can play sports, he can play action, he can do that stuff.

>> Yeah. >> Tell you one thing, yeah, pretty incredible chemistry with him and Owen Barkin. >> And he's ready to fucking hop on him and every scene. >> They're like four, seven and a half Steve. >> Yeah.

>> I mean, she's just sitting on his desk, like every thing she's bringing is she's not in the movie. But for some reason, I remember her being in the movie more than she was. >> I know, it's like she's in three scenes that seem to have been shot, like in a completely different set. You know, it's wild to go back to movies like this and watch it when, like, everybody in the film is probably like, it's like Matthew Lawrence is in this movie, he's like got more screen time than Ellen Barkin, right?

To go back and be like, can you tell the Joey Pants Ellen Barkin and Tom Behringer are the ones that are really going to pop out of this cast? >> Right. So he, she was in diner in the year before, and this year was in tender mercies and Eddie in the cruisers and started coming up. >> The smoking is, I don't know, when we're going to cover that. I don't think she doesn't have a scene where she's does, is in a barrenters all the way.

>> You always like barrenters and smoke is school is, is he's high school said.

>> Elite smokey movie and everybody is like, really smokey and they're not like, don't keep in the fake cigarettes, they're, they're sucking them down. >> It makes sense too, sucking them down. Wow. It, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it makes sense too rock stars.

>> Yeah.

She's a cool character, she's not in the movie that much, she's smoking at that time that was seen as a little bit sexier.

“>> So you like this movie, ironically, it all, or you like sincerely, Eddie and the cruisers is like just a great film.”

>> I'm 100% sincere with it. >> Well, it taps into something else that I really like, the, well, I love, I love bands kind of on the rise and bands coming up with songs and the fly and scenes that make sure they're two minutes long and they come up with a hit song. >> But I like the concept of, and this we did this a little bit in the county cross documentary when it seemed like he did the first album and then there, it's like kind of goes off the deep end and it doesn't seem like they're going to record again, and the guys in the band are like.

I just was almost touching the sun, now I'm just back to my life, like what just happened, and I like the theme of like these guys for like 18 months had it.

And now it's like Salamado's at the fucking holiday in lounge with Eddie rip off guy. >> And Joey Pence is drinking his pizza in the locker room and he's dressing room. They're followed by some lady in the piano who's like, but I, and the guy Kenny's a black Jack dealer and it just doesn't kind of work out for anyone. >> I think that happens a lot.

“>> Joanne's doing choreography and I was like, yeah, you know, I think when I watch the movie again to your point, it is dated, right?”

I mean, obviously it's dated, it came a long time ago, and even in performance, like all these people grew so much as performers like after this movie to me, like the scene where there's a fight between Eddie and Joey passes characters and it just like does not look real at all. It doesn't look like there's any real rage happening since you're the mushroom. But the themes of the movie, and like we were a part of this really amazing thing and this was as good as it was going to get. And we really didn't know it. We thought it would go on for like a long time and Eddie's, his search for greatness being the theme that actually sabotaged the one of the band that we see that.

>> Even like the idea that Frank coming into the band and being like let's do rainbow poetry and really get deep is what breaks it up because that's always like one of my favorite moments is when Saul yells at him in the studio, like we were fine before you show up. >> It was you. We could have played Tony Marts like forever, you know, like we could have just been the best band in Ashbury Park, but instead. I mean, you could make this movie every 10 years. You could have done a hip hop version of this movie in the 90s and said it, you know, it was said it was some group in like 1984 that self-combust that it was a hard thing to do about in movies like this is to make the song or songs, but the song specifically because there's always got to be one.

>> A song that people want to hear. >> Yeah. >> And then one has like four, but it has one main one and then it also has and that's the same thing for that thing you do like that thing you do has some good songs, but what you want is to hear all these different iterations of that thing you and the same thing with dark side you want to hear them to dark side three times.

“All you have to nail in a movie like this is the music that's it if the if you nail is hard to even conjure a film to where you like the songs particularly the main song and in some way you don't respond to the music because.”

If like for that thing you do which we'll talk about later that song is so good is so catchy that you could see why the wonders got famous so quick. Yeah and why they couldn't recreate it because it was such lightning in the bottle and with this one. They sell you on the fact that it in the cruisers are dope and that's really all the movie has to do to like create the mystery around the bed. Did you watch Daisy Jones in the sex. Did you watch a crack. Do you watch it? Yeah, so that has some of the themes of this of like you're watching this band try to put it together it's it's going back and forth and it's trying to do all the 2020's there's slight mystery to what we're watching all that stuff.

But for the most part, same kind of themes and not being able to keep it together. You can that too. Farbeets well talk about later like movie like that they got a banger of a song. Right. It makes it oriented the whole movie. Joey pants was the other one we didn't talk about. Who has this and risky business. We do the killer Pimp in 1983. Goonies running scare the bomb on the midnight run in 88 he is a full fledged that guy in 1983. He's also to my my taste blowing everybody off the screen in this movie.

Like he is clearly so good and not only that knows exactly who this guy is. I can't tell if he's wearing a prosthetic nose or not or if he's just really young. But he

The hair is definitely weird. Yeah, but he he is the guy who's like I to your point. He's like I had it for one second. Like you bet on all these barbans. And you get lucky with.

Right.

Like the desperation. Yeah, trying to like take on 80s persona and all that stuff. It's like they sell that they kind of create that the beginning of the movie.

Look, he's working in this small little room. Word man comes in. He has all of these ideas. Maybe we can be technical consultants first time I've ever heard of a technical consultant on a movie.

Yeah, maybe we can be in the movie. And then do you know how desperate he is from that time on it.

“So I think my favorite joe pants and this is when they're on the roof, the which is a great scene. And they're just Frank's like playing that song and he's like can't be comparison and he's sitting there's like side coming.”

He's just a salad. He's they're laughing. Yeah, it is like this guy can't sing. Yeah, he can't write he can't. And he just like a visorate some, but it's just classic joe pants. And you can see all the seeds for who's this front of his character. Oh, Ralphie Ralphie, Cypher. It's like all of the the characters that like made him famous. There's a little bit of them. Mark's going bailed on. This is right there. Yeah. Did you tell the fuck you, Jack? Hey, hey, tell me the fuck myself.

The beaver Brown band we mentioned there are found by Lou Eisen the or Kenny Payne. The technical consultant for the film who was Lou Eisen the executive who's like bunch of jerk offs 10,000 hours. Found these guys and they wanted the cruisers to be this Jersey bar band. So there's some there's some shades of spring seen in this. I have I think was a bigger day in massive. You're like I watched this 100% seriously. I watched this like 70 30. I think the 30 comes from the fact that there is a break in the space time continuum of rock history that happens in this movie that I cannot get over.

What does it tell us? Well, Eddie and the cruisers sound almost exactly like Bruce Springsteen. Yeah. Bruce Springsteen would have started in the early mid 70s and really starts to sound like Eddie and the cruisers or vice versa in the mid 70s. They make tender years in 62 or 63 and they're working on season and hell in 64. That predates the Bob Dylan record bringing all back home and highway 61 revisited it predates the Beatles doing rubber soul and revolver. It predates Eddie was ahead of his time, man.

Bill, it's beyond the head of his time. Like Ray Charles and the surels is what was on in the radio.

They would not have a rock band with a sax player doing rock opera 70s music and you're asked to believe that like this guy is basically

Dylan going electric, but without Dylan having ever happened.

“The only thing that drives me nuts about this movie is that if they just set it in 73, then they would have been able to be like, yeah, we're trying to get like this feeling back.”

And then it's just 10 years later in 83 when they're like Eddie disappeared, but now 10 years later there's a revival. But the idea that this is happening at like sock hops is kind of like Marty McFly going back and starting rock and roll in back. Yeah. So our fair points. One of my favorite white supremacist scenes of all time.

Yes. Marty and Vince rock and roll all of that. Is this done to make Eddie seem like he was in a generation rock visionary? Book is sent in like the do-wop area. I see what you mean.

And they made it more like we want this to sound like Jay Giles band John Melancham.

Because it goes from run around soon. They go from covering run around soon. Yes. Straight to dark side. And it's like, and then season and hell.

And then season and hell by the time season and hell comes out, they're like in excess. So it's like when season and hell happens, they're like, this is like avant garden. I'm like this sounds like an eagle song from the long run. Like it's not that. What other movies you want to ruin that scene?

“The Warriors could we ever get 40,000 gang members in one spot?”

No, I'm just saying this is an easy fix that they chose not to make. I don't know why. I think they could have made. Definitely could have made it three, four years later. And probably not lost anything.

I think they really wanted the innocence of the early 60s. Yeah. Well, in that scene at the college, they literally pull up and sleep walk is playing, right? Yeah. Which is the scene, the song, the instrumental that you play to say, hey, we're in the 60s and the 50s.

It was a different time. Yeah, stand by me. Stand by me. And sleep walk is playing. And then they come on the edges.

Their energy completely disrupts everything that the college has going on. Yeah. They were playing that disruptive mood ahead of their time. Like what would they have been playing? These guys were doing left at the Rolling Stones.

Exactly. I wouldn't know because they didn't exist in this universe. You know what I mean? Like any, apparently they don't go on it Sullivan. Beals are not on it Sullivan at this universe.

They had the sex player from Beaver Brown.

Michael Antons is the sex player in the movie.

“That was the only one they cast ever went on.”

Yeah. No lines tough. Well, he does, he makes an impact. He makes an impact. I got things to say.

Zero lines. They, they, they re-release the soundtrack in the fall of 84 year after the movie came out. And it goes, could group a platinum and all this shit. And even tender years peaked at 31. So two to top 35 hits.

And it just kept going and going. So the director is Martin Davidson. He wrote the screenplay of the sister.

And basically got screwed over by the studio who paid for it.

“Couldn't figure out how to release it properly and it ended up on HBO.”

And he was like, nobody's ever going to see my movie. Not realizing HBO is about to come. It's not realizing that the re-washables would force streamers to put it on. I did shout out. The real reason we're doing this is because we need kiss the death back.

And if we have an idea, we brought it in the cruisers back to life. Much like any Wilson at the end of this movie. And now kiss the death has to be next. Craig 95 minutes plus five on the Horlbex scale. Five under par pretty impressive.

This movie is as good as it is as enjoyable as it is because it's 95 minutes. If this movie is two and a half hours it's unwatchable. Oh my god. Unwatchable. And it just goes to show you how much that matters.

Like the 95 minutes is a part of why this movie is so great. So that being said for my in probably I asked for questions. I have some questions about what you would like to see more of. Yeah. So one of the reasons that hit on HBO was it was 95 minutes. Very easy to put on an 8.

It would be done in 935 and they could go right in a common special.

5 million dollar budget made 4.7 million.

Roger Ebert two stars. And in the cruisers is all build up and no pay off. You wrote that. They could have had a good movie here. They had to cast for one.

They even had the music. The soundtrack is terrific. But the ending is so frustrating. So dumb, so unsatisfactory. He gives a bad reputation to the whole movie.

I have a counter for Raj. Go fuck yourself. Wow. First go fuck yourself. Like with a capital F.

Like to start there. I really like the ending. I love that he lived.

I mean granted I saw this first when I was 15 years old.

But him coming back with the beard and me like, Oh my god he's fucking alive. Yeah. He was alive the whole time because they're hinting at it. But you don't actually think they're going to do it.

And then they actually do it. I don't know. I'm still in tune. What's the Rogers point? It doesn't really mean anything.

“It'll about time we find out that he's alive. It's the last second. Yeah, but by the time we find out that he that he's alive, what?”

Well, he wanted respect, right? He did one year. Right. Now he's watching through when he's watching what he's a season. He's in the hell. That's funny. Got my respect. See that you saw it the way you saw it. Because I would like to know whether you thought watching the movie or like is Eddie breaking into people's houses and looking for the season and how all tapes. Yeah, I don't see. I knew the ending. Well, it's find out from Craig who knew nothing about the movie. So the twist ending. What did you think? Well, unfortunately, I knew there was a sequel called Eddie lives.

I didn't have a problem with. I thought, yeah, I considered me. I didn't know what was going to happen in a nice way. I was I was let down by the Joey pants ending to be honest because I they just signal that way too clearly. I actually thought that was going to be like a classic red herring because he was so ridiculous. He would be my first culprit. I thought it was going to be like Salab Auto who wanted to be the leader. And that's why he killed Eddie or it was Eddie coming back or something like that. But Salab Auto cut his brakes. Is that your that was what you're taking. Yeah, I thought he was like, you're screwing us up. I can lead us to the promise line by doing

run around Sioux for 20 years, but I didn't have a problem with the ending to me. Like the movie's already over at that point. It's just like a fun button. It's definitely over. The movie kind of overs with the rekindled romance between wordmen and Eddie's girl classic dirty Mac and Hayton cooking happening in this movie behind Eddie's. Back where it man, you crazy stuff some guy could being broken. He just called him to be Tyler and work for it, but like the movie to me, it was always there's no real story like I enjoyed this movie.

This is like legitimately, this made me home safe for Louisiana. Like I watched the movie and it felt like it. I'm back in general, Jackson, Ben Rouge, guard deer. It's not pizza Eddie and Cruiser's on, but like it's not actually like a real movie in any way shape or form. She starts off and she's going to be looking for him. That just kind of goes and over. Yeah, like they just fucking go. Okay, like really if the movie was driven by her trying to get this story, he'd talk about Ellen Bark. Ellen Bark. Yeah. The payoff would almost make more framing devices, right? Because it's got, they've got to get Ellen Bark and two Tom Baranger, but when they get to Tom Baranger, it becomes him going around meeting people from this past and having these referees remembering his days with that.

I don't think we were putting a ton of thought into stuff in them.

And that up we didn't care because it was like, I've seen it and hell or somehow came out two years before highway 61 revision fairs, but wasn't it better?

“Wasn't it better? Wasn't it better sitting down and finding reasons to like what the fuck you were like? Yeah. It was better like to say, hey, this has great music. This is a cool story. You have an interesting lead.”

I guess Tom Baranger's the lead. You have an interesting character here. Just sit down for 90 minutes and have a good time rather than get off and pull everything apart and overanalyze it. Also, you know, yeah, you just have more fun with movies. You get out of it being 95 minutes. You could explain it more if they added 20 minutes to get into some stuff, but then is it as enjoyable in the movie? No, probably not. Take a break. We'll do the categories. You can do it if you're on your way. And if you're on your way, you can see us in the field that you're out there.

Because with credit, it's just like that. You can also get your credit on your own credit on your own. Also my credit, simply online. You can also get your credit on your own. You can also get your credit on your own. All right, most of you watch what's seen. Open credits.

Sounds done here. Yeah. Cold open. Dark science coming down nothing is real. We're doing dark side at the college. Yeah.

Yeah. And then it cuts to Ellen Barkin honor like 17th cigarette a day. It's like 1230 in the afternoon.

Yeah. Given dog walking every guy in the room. Yeah, she's just dropping later on. They're all in love with her. And she does you ever hear of a poet named Martha Rambo committed suicide nine of the flesh.

But if the mind and soul. Pretty good hook. Yeah. Good song. Everybody's. Everybody's skeptical. You're fucking crazy. Eddie fucking died. Who cares? What's the hook? What's the deal? What's the deal? What's in she's like.

“And that's why you think that the story is going to be through her perspective.”

Yeah. But it's seen sets up the entire film. We got word man's flashback to meeting the cruisers at the Tony Martin. The word man, Frank Ridgeway. Jersey source 62 needed to say Zor. Yeah, timely pause.

Barkin goes to see Frank.

That school sits on his desk. Given that Eddie's the netty died, the cruisers died with him. Right. He was my friend. You had just met.

Fake cruisers band at the south lounge leading into the memory of being on the roof. Creating on the dark side. Which might have been the best seven minutes of the eighties. I don't know. So we're heard.

Heggler herds in this. Better the dangerous zone. Better them. Yeah. Get away from her.

I love fake Eddie. Fake Eddie comes out with this.

“1983 lounge band and has the leather jacket and kills it.”

We get the whole word of music thing. Get the performance with the coming back to the cover guy. We get to I just love when watching somebody create a song from scratch. Yeah. I also love any scene where a band is together creating a song.

And there's an unexpected missing ingredient. Like there's an unexpected look. Stop. So he does it twice. He doesn't when he's explaining to them.

We're going to marry what we do at Bar Rock with high literary concepts and all that. But then he does it again. Listen. Like he's got something in nobody else has. And the difference between Eddie and the rest of the band is Eddie can hear it and they can't.

Michael Paray said the scene on the roof, which is awesome. He said I've been told that that scene at top of Tony Mart is the way rock and roll happens. You take a melody and just make it rock and it just sort of happens. It's one of the most flattering things you can say. I mean, it's an awesome scene.

Nothing is funnier than when a bit when a hit song comes together in a movie in two minutes. I love it. Like, hey, come in. Paray is like, what do you want vacation? Chopin.

He literally comes in on time. No perfect. It is like boom. The sax comes in. Yeah.

He's got a solo already planned out. Girl comes in on the drums, Joanne. Yeah. And the thing. I love also when like everybody catches the vibe.

Yeah. And then they have to be a part of it. People start dancing, hitting the tambourine. Ed Melody is awesome. They got a song.

When that Beatles documentary came out. Did you watch that? Yeah. It was a little like this.

It was.

It was like just took 15 minutes. Yeah.

“And it would be like lots of like dudes being like, did you watch the date?”

Did you join the costume show last night? Right. Very good. Because you think about get back. And you think that like, when you think about some of the songs that the Beatles made,

you think that these songs were like handed down from like the gods and given to linen and McCartney. And you just see him going, what sounds best? Two songs? Is it fucking 200 things?

What should we put in the song? Yeah. But they just have this like dark side comes out fully form. Right. Yeah.

I thought barrencher does a good job even though you never see his hands of like,

he's got like this head knob and a parade in that scene where he's like he's just so happy. It's happening. You can feel like the Eddie charisma. Yeah. It's a good scene.

That leads to sounds last song with the fake Eddie band right into wild summer nights. We go back to 63. We go wild summer nights right in tender years. Really good parade performance again. But ending with the barrencher piano.

The sax guy coming over. Yeah, that's fucking awesome. Put that elbow on the piano. He's like, yeah. Do you have a favorite not dark side Eddie song?

Ten years is good. Ten years is good. It's like just a flat-out song. I don't know if you notice this though. But it comes back to south after ten years.

And they're wrapping up. And they play some old the bucket. He's song and all the people in the audience are holding cigarette. Right. And he finishes it.

And it cuts to the crowd. And there's this lady in the front row. It's like this. But it could be really funny social clip. This extras just going for it.

Just making like five bucks for three hours. Just like throwing herself into it. Sound-word-man-eating pizza and joy. So let me test drive this one for you. Because sounds really gone for it.

He's got the sweaty lip. Pete says about start crying.

“I think he might be a Peter North award for most effort loaded into one movie.”

Matthew Orts. Yeah, it's like he's got this nothing based part. He's throwing himself into this full speed. 100%. We kind of need him in this movie.

Yeah, you do. Think about the little solitude. That he does after a song. And he's sitting down there and he's telling them. Remember when you used to driving around.

Yeah. Everything's getting wild in the backseat. You're touching on her. And all of this.

And everybody's starting to feel red first time.

Yeah. First time. This is like the whole of my flex. With the sound. I used the band-matter bio.

Where the fuck did that thing come from? No. No. No. No.

No. No. No. So I'm on the nightclub. He could have been at the Copa Cabana.

Yes. He always had that. He was like, I can't be any. But I'm really close. He was like, nice.

Yeah. On stage. So he had. He was in. He was the gay guy and sent almost fire.

He lived across the hall for the more. And then peaked. And not until no. He was David Silverstad. David's pops.

He served.

He served on a martin champagne.

Got her drunk. She passed out at the high school graduation. And then wasn't allowed to graduate. And they revolted. It was all because of Salamada.

Salamada serving underage kids champagne. I thought he was great. This. The Toby Tyler move. We mentioned into Frank and Maggie.

Which I think I think every scene with barren jerm barker is just really good. Yeah. And I had this come in later. But bark and like, hey, it's this movie. Yes.

Hate it. She fucking shit. She shit. She shit. She's like, I didn't pay the rent.

That was the paid rent. We didn't know who was in charge. The movie fucking sucks. Everybody was on drugs. Like, and she.

She hits to being actually mischreated on the movie. In a way, if you watch how. Just viciously, she treats the film. I hurt my feelings. Wendell dies right into Eddie crying and being a bit of sing tender years.

Yeah. It's a friend I'd last night. Season how going sideways. This is what I've been waiting a year for. A bunch of jerk off.

It's making weird sounds. That guy. Yeah. That guy's funny. It's fuck.

He's so fucking bad. What is that? Do I, isn't he? Yeah. He said that $10,000.

Yeah. And they came back with some experimental bullshit. Were you trying to get the kids in the fucking stock out today? It's really funny. Then we ain't great.

We're just some guys from Jersey. If we can't be great, then there's no sense in ever playing music again.

“So it's not that's why I think before every tailgate.”

It doesn't want Eddie through the sequel Eddie lives. You know, he's like, I just don't want to get up on stage unless it's going to really mean something. Yeah. And then the ending. That's it for rewatchable.

What do you got? I'm going to go right up. Writing dark side. Yeah. I think that's me too.

That's what it is. Yeah. No. Did you enjoy Eddie in the flashback in the fucking junk yard castle?

Pallas depression.

The palace of depression. Which apparently actually actually did. It did. Yeah. I love that thing because that's when Eddie when Eddie starts to crash out towards the end of the movie.

The middle to the end of the movie. Those are my favorite parts of the movie. He crashes out in front of the camera himself to the end. So yep.

“I think it's cool because for the most part, it's all of barrengers.”

Happy memories of it. And then it's like when Joanne is like a Kenny and Joanne are like the ones who were like, wasn't all happy, you know, like it was like there was some dark shit. Yeah. Then CR's like, this wouldn't have even existed.

Yeah.

Just two years first down with the other divers.

What's the thing? 1883 thing about this movie. No color ID. Oh. Really jumps out.

Yeah. When Joanne keeps getting these calls. Now you would just be like, who's this number? I don't even think they had star 69 yet. Watching a row of TVs through a department store window.

Definitely. Very nice. Yeah. That doesn't exist anymore. So trope that continue to come back up.

Now it would be like a homeless guy with no pants on watching through a best by. And then peeing on the window. Now it would have been the end of it. It was so funny. You talking about.

Eddie the whole guy. Yeah. Yeah. I have a couple of here. Yeah.

There's a dark side just sounds like Brian Adams or Southside Johnny or John McCamp.

Yeah. So like very classic early mid 80s rock sound. And then Ellen Barken working for media magazine, which is in fact a television news program. Yeah. It's like a very big thing.

At least in Philly. They had one of these. I think it was called. We had one too.

“And I think it was called like entertainment magazine or entertainment week or something like that.”

But it was like two hosts. Yeah. It was like hard hidden stories. Bruce Willis and Civil Shepherd. They're back on screen for mood and struck season.

Yeah. Yeah. And it's it was just like a really weird phenomenon back. The regional entertainment news programs. Yeah.

It would be the celebrities that passed through that they were in an interview. Yeah. But then it would be like a hard hitting piece about some school that lost its funding for the school play. Yeah. Um.

What won the smoking. Very 1983. How much smoking they have in it? Maybe even more than 83 was. They had non smoking sections by then.

Yeah. The smoking. Also. The fact that. And this part of the 80s.

They just did not give a fuck about aging or de-aging or anything like that in any way. This is. Well, it in no way. Badger's exactly. They don't give a fuck.

They would. They would take you. Mesh your hair up a little bit. Yeah. Put you in an open shirt.

You're 14 years old. Well, yeah. You're like you're 14. He in this movie is 83, right? He's 34 or whatever. So when he joined the band, he was 14 to 15 years old.

I think it's supposed to be 17 37. But this is this is another problem with the space time continue. Right. It was like. Joey pants.

He looks to send in a they give him a little body. He's he's 20 years older to hold. Yeah. Just in the 80s. He's didn't care.

Your younger. It doesn't matter. Joe and barely looks different. She looks. Oh, exactly the same.

They just change her words. She just looks great. Yeah. Yeah, they didn't put a lot of thought into the stuff. I, it almost makes you think they thought it was going to be 1968.

And then they decided in the editing of shaved six more years. Added it or something. Yeah. I think it's just closer to the book. Yeah.

Baring your basically looks exactly the same. There's no difference enough. Uh, for the Flood Gundolly butter on my ass and Lawley pops in my mouth for something I just enjoy. I said her, but watching. In a movie or TV show of being creative song from scratch gets me every time.

I had when the quiet part of a rocks on make this way for the loud part of a rocks on via isolated guitar riff and hand claps. Hmm. Oh, it's just stuff when it's just like. Here we go. Dark sides.

Not to kick in. Sleepwalk being like a fucking soundtrack for like the 50s and 60s.

Yeah, it always gets to me.

But also, I like Frank's dirty mac and man. Frank dummy. We're a man don't even give a fuck. She walks into the bar. He sees. He's like, Oh, shit. Oh, someone can I was going on enough.

And then fucking Eddie comes in and he kind of taps it down. But as soon as Eddie is going, he's trying to get back on. He shit. Ben's college some bad things happen. Yeah.

“I actually watched it like two or three times being like, did I miss the part where she's like me and Eddie are on a break?”

Yeah. Yeah. He's like, no, she's right back in Eddie's arms like the second after he makes out. It's stuff shit, man. Trust them for Israel to talk about it.

This woman empowerment, 1963. She can sleep. Whatever she wants, Bill. She was a bitch. She had an old her.

Uh, would take the best. I mentioned a cup already, but I think window is is a home run in this movie because he has no lines. But you feel him in the movie, which may be wonder. Do we create the window, new word for best performance with no lines?

Zero lines.

Have we ever had a no line?

“It's weird because it's not even like, hey man, grab me a coach.”

It's nothing. Doesn't speak. Yeah. Doesn't even say like, yeah. Nothing.

Not even one word. I'll tell you one very podcast. But you know his whole fucking life story by watching him play with Eddie and the cruise. Yeah. You know exactly.

He's playing for a long time in a jazz band. Eddie heard him someplace, brings him into the cruises. It changes his fucking life. And he had a whole song. He even talked Eddie some music. He was Eddie's like musical Obi-Wan.

That's right. This was the spring staying issue for this movie when they thought it was a spring staying rip off because the Claire's comments was the probably the biggest he'd ever most famous. What's up, Nick? Yeah.

How have fam smoke we mentioned? I like Jersey Shore in the '60s. I have Jersey Shore. Also like Jersey Shore in the '70s, the '80s. It was really fun to go to.

I like when Eddie gives Frank the green light to write songs.

And then he does the, that's the most you ever get out of me, word man. They little look bonding on the beach. And then, bear and church is completely committed to this all time. But I like at the end, the end is ridiculous when Joe, Joey pants is like, I'm going to get the tapes.

We're going to get it. I'm going to make the best deal we can.

“He drives away and bear and church comes flying in.”

He's like, "Go get 'em, darling." Just makes me laugh. What do you have for what stage of best? Um, like, this is oriented around a conspiracy theory that Eddie is still alive. Yeah.

That was very much alive then. That was the heyday of Elvis is somewhere hanging out in Montana. We did it again in the 90s. Or maybe Cooper. Even Cooper.

Yeah. We did it again in the 90s. Two Pockles and Jim Pockles. Take the best one. Like, yeah, like all like 30%.

30% you might be. Andy Kaufman, people thought. Andy Kaufman. Yeah. The conspiracy theory that the movie is wrapped around that's really age good.

I want to hear your two Pockles here. You know, what happened to Pockles? Pockles alive. Where is he? Just say.

Say, I believe that one the most. Did he get shot though? Like he's like in hiding. Um, no, he sadly he died. But that was the one I really wanted to leave.

In the late 90s, in the early 90s, in the early 90s. It's a Bill Simmons exclusive. He can be confirmed to find it. If you put drinks at me in like 1998, I would have thrown it. Well, that's for it.

We all thought it. Yeah. Everybody was it. And it was so funny. He can release it.

It was funny because like my mom caught me up on it one time.

“My mom goes, remember how stupid you say we looked.”

Where we would say that Elvis was still living or something like that. Remember how. I don't know doing the same thing. I was like, but this is different. Yeah.

I got pieces of autopsy. Music is still dropping. He said this on this song. If you listen to it right there. These joins that he's wearing in his video.

Well, he's joins one even out. It was really good. It died. I'm going to say like early 2000s. It became hard.

Because he didn't have a really good to your rent. Right. Great shot, Gordon Award. Most cinematic shot. I don't know.

Specific cinematic shot. I want to give a shout out. Really good extras acting in this movie. All the bar scenes with the crowd. Everybody's like acting like someone had a concert.

The college concert. The college concert. Yeah. The big corner burger where Besties Food and Drink. Sounds pepperoni pizza.

Yeah. As you know, I love a good old school greasy slice.

He never takes a bite out of it though.

There's also a lot of people drinking. What seemed to be seven and sevens. Which is a very 83. You know, like that early kind of like 80's drink. Ches Rock.

They both come from that scene. The PBRs though. The PBRs. The PBRs. The PBRs.

And Schletz. They're going to Schletz too. Yeah. Ches Rock. Well, Best character name.

Frank Ridgeways. Pretty good. The word man Frank Ridgeway. I'd Salamado, but yeah. Salamado is a good tip.

Uh, Denethy's Beniano Award. Seeing suit and location. It's got to be the junkyard. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Sierra. You have a flex category. Vincent Chase Award. Are we sure this character was good to his job?

Frank. Oh, word man. Yeah. Word man. Oh, I thought you were almost certainly going to go with Joy Pantsy.

I wouldn't say that word man is blowing my mind with his words. Like dark side's a good song. But I don't know if you deserve the title word man for dark side. Whoa. Ten two years.

What's going on with my tears? He also steals his bandmates girl, which. I not it's a knock for me. Yeah. In terms of being in a band and having a bandmate.

Uh, and he kind of forces them into a life of obsolescence. When you spring season of how season of hell it on on them. It wasn't for Frank. They probably wouldn't be tender years part two and definitely play this sense. Yeah.

Exactly. Just had to do this. He's like, you know, play these cool chords. He's like, D, D, D, D, D, D, D. Word man kind of a bitch.

Some say.

Yeah. Yeah. No. You know, I thought this. We talked about it a great time.

We're a man kind of a bitch. We're a man. Fuck up everybody. We're a class traitor. Well, yeah, exactly.

He's basically like a little hard.

We're going to straight up hope. Yeah. He gets to the college. He's like really slim. What did they say to the bottom?

You're dropping your ass hanging out. Like, that's what word man is doing. Well, I said Eddie says to me. I didn't say better. I said different.

Yeah. Yeah. You'd like this movie. You're like 90, 10. Yeah.

I didn't like the 70, 30. But she's girlfriend a word weak link of the film.

“So, you know, I think it's been a long time.”

It's been a long time. I think it's been a long time. I think it's been a long time. I think it's been a long time. I think it's been a long time.