‘L.A. Confidential’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey, and Andy Greenwald

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It's been a while since we've done a library watchables on the road. That's my fault. I'm just, I'm just lazy, I'm sorry.

But we are finally, it's never happened before.

We're coming to San Francisco. We've never done a live show in San Francisco. And that's all about to change. Because I am bringing CR. I'm bringing a band.

I'm bringing a Mallory. And we are doing a live episode of Basic Instinct, which we did a million years ago. I think they're in COVID. We're running it back.

It's going to be way more fun. We have more categories. And one of the more fun movies to talk about from the last 35 years for a variety of reasons. I'm not even sure it's legal to have vana Mallory in the same place talking about basic instinct.

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Four people who have never done a video of podcasts together.

Even though we have all worked together, really since early 2010s, Shafanese, close to the big picture. Andy Greenwald, Chris Ryan. You guys did a little podcast called Hollywood, perspective in the grant land days.

And now we're here. You do the watch together. Greenwald's always doing stuff. It's the end to see our month. We couldn't have CRM out without you, Andy.

“I really appreciate it. This is the only thing I wanted.”

This is the quartet. This is really meaningful to me. This is my LA quartet. Actually, I have to say there are not three men on gods who have done more to celebrate the greatness of Chris Ryan publicly than these three men.

We have really gone up up and beyond. It's like a sea of celebration. How old are you guys around? They're so, you know, Chuck Closterman, he loves you. This trio.

We love Chris Ryan. Are we bringing Brinthole in now or after the... Well, to go back to the start of the rewatchables, the first, the early seeds of the ringer, which was basically my back house, 2015.

And we started my podcast, and we started the watch with Chris and Andy. And it got to the point where they would just kind of go through my house. My dogs wouldn't even bark anymore. You were doing the watch and that was also where the rewatchable started because we did the anniversary of heat December 2015.

And now we've all circled back, and this is the last episode of CR Month. What did you think of the choices, Andy?

I thought they were amazing, that they were representing the man himself.

I thought it was a little, we were just discussing it. It's a little chalk at the end. Yeah. You could have gotten a little more creative. A little more of you, really.

I wanted that you didn't get from CR Month. Like, what would have been the craziest wildest one for you that would have been realistic? My sister's skywalker just run it back. I mean, good. Some of your favorites? No, I mean, I, I think we all thought you were going to do heat again. I don't know if there's anything left to say there.

No, we'll save it. There's nothing to say. I've just did a lot of thoughts. It was the more thoughts that I've ever had. Was the live show that you did about heat considered?

No, no, no, no. That was one of your thoughts in it. That's not canon, okay. That was just an excuse to have Chris to Pachino in person. First of all, just be screaming.

Like, I think I, I think I, I think I have to go back in the lab at Pachino. Do you think you're going to take a step back for the next month? I asked him about this and he was like, "What are you talking about?" You know, I was like, "You might really get in put out to Pachino." Money never sleeps.

This isn't, this isn't the gold watch. This is what's in life. You can be past you. No, you guys are the gold watch. Yeah, that's right.

Well, coming up next, a request from CR LA Confidential.

1997, Sean.

Titanic, Boogie Nights, goodwill hunting.

LA Confidential and Jackie Brown. We used to make things in this country. I'll have you know, I have the exact same list. Red in front of me in 1997, movies, Boogie Nights, Jackie Brown. I have others, but we can talk.

But those five specifically just feels very rooted in '97. And then this one, Greenwell, there's the revisionist history of '97 now is that they should have won the Oscar and not Titanic. So why don't we just start there? For sure, yeah, this was definitely the critics pick.

It was definitely the burgeoning college student who wish they were critics pick. We all felt very smug for loving this movie and caping up for it. But I don't think there was ever a moment when it seemed like it was like,

I mean, it was never going to win against a juggernaut like Titanic,

but it wasn't even like a hit. Was it? It was more of a critically well-regarded modest smash the type that they don't make any more. 126, which I was surprised by. I've never used to be satisfied with.

Yeah. It did pretty well, but it just was up against the most successful film in the history of movies. So by comparison. But you, you weren't in the academy at that time?

I mean, I was a huge Titanic supporter.

“I think my work speaks for itself the way I whipped votes during that time period.”

Big call girl guy. So this movie resonated with them immediately. Yeah. Why this one? Well, why did this have to be in CRM? I think that this is kind of a perfect Hollywood movie. It's interesting because I have a kind of different relationship

than people may have assumed or you may assume, which is like, I love it, but I love it conditionally because I come to it from the novels. I come to it from the Alroy books and it's quite different than the novel. Elroy has like a weird relationship to it. I think he knows it made him a lot of money and made his name go even further than it already had, but I think he also is like,

they left out a lot of the plot and a lot of the sort of soul of the book and kind of sanded down the edges. But that being said, like we said with Fargo, I think I was like, Fargo is a five-tonal movie. It's like this is a five-tonal movie too. Where it's the acting, the writing, the cinematography, the direction, and the music are all like completely in sync, completely in harmony. There's not a bum scene really in this movie.

We can dip-pick about it, but like, you're watching this and you're just watching

“the best that Hollywood can make. I think at this era. Do you agree with that?”

It's like an amazing plate of chicken parmesan, you know?

Yeah, good way. In a good way. Yeah. It's like, it's not that cooked-a-dantanis chicken parmesan. I love dantanis chicken parmesan. The protein-dantanis chicken parmesan. The protein-dantanis chicken parmesan. Dantanis chicken parmesan is wonderful. It's a, it's a, it looks on the surface, like it's going to be simple. But then when you cut in and you look at the layers,

you look at the depth of the way the sauce meets the cheese meets the chicken. There's a lot going on here. There's a lot, it's deeper than it seems. And it's only 29.95 on the menu, you know? Well, we also have... Not a bent-ended. We have for chicken parmesan prices for crow and pears, which is one of the things that really helps us. Crows not even crow yet. He's barely crow. Neither of them from the one-dense home movie.

Didn't know them from anything else at the time. I think it was romper stomper, right? That was his biggest deal to that point. Yeah. I mean, you've got to be just done that yet? romper stomper now. That's it. That's what I've been the final, yeah. The final addition for these. That was good to see our year. See our 27. Yeah, it's a fun one. And you wanted to do an

“entire Nazi month, isn't it? Nazi adjacent? The believer? What else could you do there?”

History? Yeah. Yeah. We're about to disagree. Would you bet on on pears or crow being a bigger star? Because I would have been on on crow. But pears is it's a great movie for him. I thought that they would both be big stars. Yeah. And pears is actually a little bit weirder. Like the part to the character that the reason why he gets the part, right, is because he has the cheekbones and he looks like a leading man. Straight y'all. Yeah. But he's kind of

a freak on the margins. And I think that that served him well in the later part of his career. But I thought that he was like, yeah, he's going to be the more handsome leading man type coming out of it. I guess I thought crow, the movie really loves crow. It's really, really interesting and but white. In a way that I find even the book isn't as interested in Bud White. And you can tell and Curtis Hansen and the director talked a lot about how most of the executives wanted

the movie to be Bud White's movie. And we wanted it to be like, I asked kicking assholes. Yeah. Like almost like Arnold Schwarzenegger is like the toughest cop in 1950s Hollywood. And obviously that he wasn't going to let that happen. But I mean, crow went on to have the bigger career. I don't, I'm not sure if this is in my hot take or what, but pears as an actor is just a fascinating guy. And his career is really, really interesting and where he's gone. And the fact that he's still

cooking, like he's still doing his best work right now, says a lot, crow is in a way different place. So the legacies are kind of perfect, right? Because one guy really went up the other guy did fine. Yeah. And then they kind of traded places somewhere along the way. So it's really interesting

than the Caprio is he like maybe five, six years, right? I, for him, it's not LA conventional.

“That's always the big question mark for me. It's momentum because I think it would be relatively”

easy to project him into a number of Christopher Nolan leading rules going forward. And at which point you start to get into like, could that guy have been Batman? Like, well, there is like there, there are a bunch of bail movies you could have thrown a man and he probably would have been a drive guitar. But that's that's it. We can save this for the casting part, but this was a question I had to because obviously the casting makes this movie and the casting was kind of not controversial,

but more challenging because Curtis Hanson said he wanted unknowns so that the audience didn't have preconceived notions. But if you think about, I'll defer to the film experts here on this. But like, who are the other 30-year-old people that they may have been trying to put in this movie? There's a kick-to-rap. McConaughey was the one. The casting would have sworn what I wanted. McConaughey was the big one. It's funny. It's a perfect dam in part. He was a young guy.

It's basically he plays that part in the department. He was like 10 years old. I don't know if I

would have bought McConaughey as actually. I think that would have been a bad move. It's coming off time to kill where it would be like pretty much like an extension of that character. Then we're in the same glasses as the time to kill. Spears had a certain energy. It was a reminder of when Shaw got to Grantland where he's like, "I'm just here to do good work, but he was secretly scheming, who he could take out." That's the guy Spears Center.

I don't want to bug out this, but I did come into this movie realizing why you picked this group. Because if you had to do it, there is a hot head who can hang with everyone in the strangely popular with the ladies. Yeah, there is a cerebral power broker. It is very, very moral. Yeah, there is another charming power broker who knows where all the bodies are buried and

“is sent into the body. That's what he said. And then you had to get a semi-self-loathing guy who”

wouldn't like to know if it kind of forgets where his bread and butter is. And it's called back. So it's hard to mix up. Yeah. Okay. So Hollywood is awesome. We got a beautiful limb bracket over here, too. Yeah, a producer's chair. It's a little dope. He's gonna be like, "It's all a shit. It's a semi-baked character. Show me how to get this." They're all bad. Come on, man. It's just active. Yeah.

I think that would give him a son-up before. That makes Gahau Johnny Sampanado. Of course, yeah, no question. Well, my, I wrote this down. LA is a beautiful, seductive fucked-up place that's really here to break your dreams and steal your soul. Is that what we told Sean? We wanted him to move for granted. It's believable. I'm so happy that I'm here. Honestly, I love it here so much, and this movie is a good reason why. I think most people have this weird tortured relationship

with the city, and I'm like, "I love it. I love it. It's a shit hole. I love it. It's full of people who are doing terrible things to each other every day." I think that's fascinating. That's way more interesting than you would have it be understood when you're like watching movies in the 90s. And you're like, "Oh, well, this is the city of dreams. I don't dispense with all that. I'm not interested in that. I'm interested in the nastiness of the city." And this movie is all about that.

It's really, oh, God. No, just worth noting, because Curtis Hanson is from here. And I feel like he's not as interested in the narratives or presenting it a certain way. He's just like, "Well, yeah, this is also a place." There's something kind of melancholic about watching

“this and watching bookie nights, because I think they're both obviously period pieces made in the”

90s about earlier errors of Los Angeles. And one thing L.A. had, I think, even up to maybe the point where we moved here was still those bones. We're still there. Like, you could still probably shoot the outside of the Formosa and not have a target next to it. Right. And now that it's kind of, I think, fully changed. I think you can still find it in different neighborhoods. But it's wild watching this movie and thinking about how little they must have had to

do when it came to Hollywood. You know, yeah, in the 90s. Because if you're shooting Hollywood in the 90s, I mean, it doesn't work that much different than squares, you know? It's 45 years between when the movie is set and when they filmed it. And it's 30 years since they made it. So yeah, one of the great themes that we've talked about in other rewatchable episodes about L.A. that everybody comes here, why did I with a dream, right? And sometimes it really works out,

sometimes it kind of works out. But multiple characters say this in the movie. Like, Kim Basinger says at one point, like, I've basically said, I didn't obviously come here to do this, but it's kind of she's still ended up, right? Some people try it, try it, try it and they leave. And we knew, you know, I'm older than you guys, but we had a bunch of people, when my kids were younger, that could keep the parents and schools. And one guy's

trying to be an actor, another person's trying to be a director. And eventually, it just doesn't work out. You moved here for a job and show business. Right? I moved here to write for a TV show. But this is, this is kind of how it goes. And sometimes this city choose, yeah, I mean, the corruption stuff, which I think we've seen in the last 30 years, has morphed into different more public

versions of this. But that underbelly of what was going on, that was always part of the romance

of LA, like, right? Like, like, it's like, make you break you, be found dead. You don't know who the good guys of that. Yeah, I want to keep all of who don't want to know how the sausage is made.

Jack would have been great in this movie. Yeah, he's like throwing him in. But there were two

“quotes in here. One was life is good in Los Angeles. It's paradise and earth. That's what they tell”

you anyway, the Vida says the beginning. And then how can organize crime exist in a city with the best police force in the world? Which seems to be your big on these Elroy books. But this can be a huge theme in these LA books in the 40s, 50s, 60s. Yeah, so he writes this quartet of novels that LA quartets, Black Dahlia, a big nowhere, which is my favorite LA confidential in them white jazz. And like, they kind of get increasingly Byzantine and hallucinatory as he goes on. And he would

later take on the Kennedy assassination, one of your pet projects. You just recently talked about that. I'll wait a second. Yeah, and they try and we saw the Kennedy assassination. Yeah, I don't get it. Got it. Well, congrats. That's great. Are you last week? Can you visit the White House? What's going to happen next now? It's it's done. Yeah, it's they don't even need me. Yeah, then, you know, he basically tries to write a secret history of Los Angeles and these novels. And some of them are

fictionalized versions of real characters. So in the novel of LA confidential, a lot of stuff is happening.

“It, what is basically Disneyland? Yeah. But it is not in this, in this adaptation. I think the”

one of the things that really, really struck me about watching this and refreshing myself in the novel

is it is an incredible adaptation. It's an incredibly brave adaptation, but it's also like two

guys Brian Helgland and Hansen sitting down and just drilling like, what is this movie going to be about? And every scene needs to be about one of the three cops and hopefully. So this is eight, right? And they narrowed it down to three. It's got like a character. So many characters. So many different and spinning out spreads over eight years, right? Yeah, this is a much broader thing. Three years in this movie. And it does real people in the book that are in the movie as well. You know, the movie is trying

to balance the truth of Hollywood versus this created world. It's an incredible book that I've raciously read right before the movie came out. It was kind of shocked by how different it is. But it has this like really readable, but also awkward style where it's like all staccato. Like the writing is like five word sentences over and over and over and over and over again. So it you almost like can feel the words coming out of the typewriter as you're reading it. It's a very

unusual and it's different from his other books. So other books are not like that as much. I feel like they're a little bit white jazz is a little bit. It's like weird that the movie is way closer to the way like Robert Town writes in China town that it is Elroy's novel. But the scenes are short in this film for the most part. And I feel like that replicates the feeling of page turning. Like where you're like, I got it. I just got to keep going. But you're right. I mean, his

Elroy's authorial voice is you can't replicate that on screen without extensive voice. But can you think of another example of an adaptation that is respected on both sides of the aisle? Like the way this is because I think people who love the book understand that it's a different piece. It's not from respect how well it was made. But this is the only two. It's cruising a book. I think it was a book, right? Was it a, it was a novel? Yeah, I read it on my back, you

know. Yeah. You want to be on the re-cruising? They're going to cruise again. Andy has written subscripts from time to time. Time is for the last, I don't know, nine, nine, ten years. Yeah. Have you ever tried to adapt the book? Yes. How hard is it? What are the things we don't know? Well, it's very hard. I think the hardest thing is the fidelity issue. Like when I did prior patch, I basically just took the characters in the plot and changed everything, because

it's not a belief. I mean, it's a, I love it, but it's not a very well-known book,

because you have that liberty to do it. But I think the most important thing is when adapting

anything is that you have to, as the adapter, try not to be too precious about what you know other people love and zero in on what you love. Because the enthusiasm is the one thing that you

“can carry from the book to the screen. And I think that that's what these guys did to a degree”

that is almost unprecedented. And when you see, you know, you watch Curtis Hanson like on Charlie Rose from promoting the movie 30 years ago. And he brings the same pitch that he brought to Arnand Milchon and the producers to Charlie Rose, where he's like, "Here are six images that I found about coming to Los Angeles in the '50s that remind me of a place that I grew up in that is no longer exists." And I showed him a picture of Aldo Ray, and I thought about how I love these

characters even though I hate them. And those were the pillars of his adaptation. And for whatever reason, maybe it's ego or whatever, he felt comfortable throwing everything else away. Yeah, I think that if I were trying to adapt to James, I already book, I would just completely

Disney character. We can't have this without it as being a bigger character." It's like in the last exercise, too, where everything touches everything. And you guys are just like, "No, we're fucking screenwriters." And we need to make every single scene go into the next one, and every action has a consequence, and every single thing needs to be about the theme of these guys. And it's just

“really, really impressive piece of work in that way. I think it's notable that of the LA quartet,”

only two of the books have been made into movies, and the other one is a really bad depall moment

movie. And the other, I always wanted to see White Jazz, and he wanted to make White Jazz for the

longest time. And you heard about, like, Smoke House is making White Jazz for like five years. Yeah. That never happened. And that book is so cool and fascinating. It's about like a cop who is also a hitman for the mob. And then he has this, like, kind of confrontation with himself over how the city really works. And he's also really hot for his sister. And such a crazy book. So you know, they're just, they're really hard to do. So I think Andy's right on,

like, this is an amazing way of like kind of calling something that's very big. Like a 500-page novel down to two hours in 10 minutes. Yeah. It's just like there is a central mystery that we are going to solve. It's ruthlessly efficient too. Yeah. I feel like I know, you probably all noticed it when we were rewatching it. Like looking for a seam, looking for a seam, looking for something to either make a joke about or point out. And it just rolls. Almost to the point if you just get lost in it.

And I stopped taking notes. Both times watching it. Yeah. Yeah. This was stuff that I'm like, this wasn't as electric as I remembered. But there's nothing where I'm like, you could just lose this. Really. Yeah. It's a stretcherly almost perfect movie. I noticed I watched it two times in the last few days. I was like, man, they're just, this is like a big ass bone in filet.

“Yeah. Like no fat at all. Yep. Just zoom in through it. I think if I adapted,”

I would be more in the Kubrick camp. Like kind of like fuck this guy with the writer. I'm going to get some romantic stuff in here. And I almost thinking if the author is bad, you when the movie comes out, maybe that's where you want to be. Yeah. But there's a difference between the guy right as a wood shut. It was like, you know, dead. And like James Elroy going around being like, this is a fucking cookie. Yeah. He's got your communists. Kubrick does the same thing that Andy

is talking about though, which is like he just picks what he likes. Like in Lolita, he's just like, this is so funny to me. And he's, I'm going to make this like a broad comedy about a 45-year-old man who wants to fuck a teenager. Yeah. And that's, you know, that's, there's a comic aspect of Lolita, but it's not Peter Seller's doing business. Yeah. Yeah. That's true. So I think it's like, it's kind of brave. But also I think there's some like industrial design to the way that Curtis

Hanson did it to where he was just like studios don't want to make period pieces. They don't want

to make noir movies because they never make any money. I'm not going to shoot this in black and

like like every choice I make is going to be so this movie can get made. So it can be commercially successful. And then I can also make something that I think is artistically interesting. It's pretty, pretty like slick move by an old studio directing hand. His run here where it's like hand the rocks to create a little river wild this. And then Wonder Boy's an eight mile kind of like culminating after that. It's just a tour to forest in the future. In her shoes, right? Not at this table.

But he's kind of like the dark twin of Ron Howard. You know what I mean? Like that incredibly safe pair of hands. Like that for your one-man show. That's a good one. John Howard. What if the Apollo 13 crash? Anyway, he's just like this incredibly professional like maybe there's nothing in this that's like super flashy like holy shit

scorsese camera move or something you've never seen before. But all of the jigsaw pieces

wind up coming again. That's the thing when I was watching it. There is no even some of the questions that I know category is we're going to get through about if it could be improved in certain ways. Like every single piece of this movie is in service to the movie. It is the type of like buttoned up industry forward professionalism that we do. It kind of reminds me when you're 13 in that way where it's just like oh you're watching it and it's like oh man and then this and then this

and there's no ego and like Dante's been out he's like yeah I know how to shoot this and Jerry Goldsmith is like I get it. I'm already 75. It's a bunch of grown ups. Yeah it's a bunch of grown ups who are

“like we had a really good idea for movie. That's what we're going to do. Let's make the picture. Yeah.”

Well he did the opening credits. Wasn't that part of his pitch? Yeah. He had all the postcards. So it was like literally how he made the movie. Yep. Yeah and that rock's the cradle is a great example. That movie's been made 17,000 times. It's being made now. You could go ahead and Netflix and probably find five of them right now. They make them on lifetime every week and for some reason that's probably the best one of all of them. So I made the cradle attraction. We're doing

it. We're saving it for from Hell month. It's just so well done. But what's the movie? It's like Nanny's mad at the family and she's just getting her revenge. Right. Like that's every lifetime. But for some reason that's the best one. It is um I popped it in last night. After watching I'm like how potential just to be like what was Hansen's style to your point? I'm trying to figure out like what is it that he does? Like with the camera how the movies look the colors of the

movie and it's a totally different looking movie. Totally different movie but even though it is a

is assaulted by her OB/GYN and she goes public on him and then he kills himself and his wife, his widow then gets a job and about sure as Nanny sees revenge tomorrow. Yeah. So it's like it's a new life. It's a special needs gardener. Yeah. It's a pretty hot frame. That's right. I forgot about the

“gardener. It's a majorly and more than it. Yeah. That's what it is. Like yeah. It's a it's a”

bizarre. I'm what it's Hall of Fame smoking performance. Yeah. Just just smoke burying from everything. But it is like it the the ideas in it are lifetime movie level. Yeah. Like it is really dopey.

It always looks so great and it feels so professional. And you watch these interviews with

Curtis Hansen and his heroes and some people he actually interviewed because he started as a journalist visiting sets as he talks about like Howard Hawks and Fuller and just like the thing is the thing. Yep. And speaking of great shows where people talked around a wooden table, it did watch this Charlie Rose interview and he's like, well Charlie, you know, every movie has a simple concept behind it and you should just say it in a line, you know. And he's like,

so with the he has about hands of the hand that rocks the cradle and he goes every movie has a simple concept. Charlie Leans and he goes, is it the hand rocking the cradle? It's no, it's just be careful if you trust when you turn around. But I did Rose charm. Well, what's the L. I can kill him something to say what? Maybe they do see our character. Charlie,

“yes. What is LA confidential in a sentence? City of Angels is full of devils, right?”

Sounds good. There's a good line in it. I think it's I think it's Jack Vincent who says, "Everybody wants something." Hmm. Does it really want anyone to say it? Yeah. I wrote down some themes including tablet culture. Still prevalent. Yeah. Police brutality. Haven't got rid of that yet. Racism still exists. Good naval sure. Seductive and beautiful LA that's here to steal your soul. Still exists. I'm using blackmail against the rich and powerful to advance your political and

financial interest. No, no, that's a bridge too far. Yeah. What else? Anything? I think it's a really good movie about the real and the fake and how they coexist in the city. Very comfortable that like you can see Michael Jackson having a dance office, Spider-Man, on the streets of Los Angeles, and that feels normal. That you can step on the walks of fame and that feels normal. That you can walk past the Chinese theater that you can go up to Beverly Hills and look at homes. You can go

on tours of people's homes in the city. And also, you know, there's like a lot of crime and and there's a lot of sadness and poverty and terrible things happening in the city on a daily basis. And that like they all are just kind of coexisting in a way that is very unusual even for a metropolis standards. But to that point, maybe and while I'm sure we'll talk about it later,

but maybe the most important scene in the movie is the scene when Exly insults the real

Lanternor, who is actually dating a real gangster, all of which was true. Yeah. Yeah, that's an upenato and Lanternor word dating. By the way, that was its own movie. I'm incredible. You could have just de-tored it into a separate movie. Did they make that about a movie? I don't think they ever made it. They never made it because of like a of a daughter, right? Yeah. Her daughter. Her daughter. Yeah, her daughter. And she stopped at a

show. She was worried about spoiler alert there on the murder of her. Yeah, stop an auto. Yeah, don't worry about that. Yeah. What you said, though, when I moved that here to where for Jimmy Show and we were at an Hollywood Boulevard, and we would go out to get coffee and spider man and Superman. We're doing it. It took me six months to get used to it. How weird everything was. The man-thater where the premier's happened, the stars, just the weirdness. But you do get used to it.

I do. I don't know what for everybody. It's different for me. It was like six months

“and I wouldn't blink. I think that I start every single day here the same way, which is like”

it's too bright. It's too hot. And then I get to six p.m. and everything turns purple.

And it's the perfect temperature. And you're like, oh, I'm never leaving. You know, it's like

it's that kind of weird, like you can exist and heaven and hell at the same time, sensation that L. were right about incessantly. Well, Greenwell mentioned the three types of police officers in this movie, aggressive ruleback, breaker, star fucker, personality builder, and straight error. Idealist. And they do a great job within 20 minutes of like, okay, I get, I get your type. I get you. I get you. I get you. Kramer. What's the up to? And it's just where the genius

move that they pull is that they all have to go before the police commissioner and respond to a the same question, which is, are you going to rat on your friends? Right. And actually says yes, Jack says maybe and Bud says fuck no. One of the ingenious ideas of the book that is also really well preserved in the movie is that like those three characters are three very clear male archetypes post World War II, right? There's like the GI Bill College Boy. There's the World

War II Grunt, right? Who was in the trenches? Who's like all muscle? And then there's like the very cynical, like I just want to get what's best for me person in the 50s is trying to kind of get fat as he heads into the second half of his life. And those are like those set up, I think kind of an

using them is like the triangle of trying to solve something together is really, really fascinating,

you know, they kind of do represent like one person ultimately, they kind of feel like the totality

of a guy living in a city. Also, each one of them during the course of the movie tries to overcome the limitations that they realize they have placed on themselves. Yeah, like Bud's whole thing is that he's not smart enough to do it until someone tells him that he is. And then actually they all want to be the thing that they are not. Like the actually wants to be his dad, Jack wants to be thought of his moral even though he knows he's not. And Mud wants to be smart even though he's

strong. Don't think about the call girls who want to be very star. Yes, they get cut. Yeah, get cut. That we're cut to look like we're going to break out every time. If you could be cut to look like anyone who would be cut to look like Chandler big. That's perfect. Rollo to Massey. Yeah. One of the great stealth plot ideas of all time because I was thinking like they're the big

“ideas. Like with the guys, it's like ironically, Spacey Kaiser Sozy. Awesome. Holy shit. What's in the box?”

I can see. You know the six cents. We all know like the huge ones. The stealth. I don't know what this is. And then it reveals itself in a very small way. But you're like, oh, it's it's way up there. I don't even know what it's confusing. You can mention the Rollo to Massey ideas is Hanson and how would like coming up with themselves. There's such there's elegance and efficiency and play throughout the entire movie because you think about these different archetypes. The movie

does a I think people can watch this movie and be a little confused the first time, potentially. It doesn't really hold your hand. And yet if you watch it again, you realize that it does do the Kyron of the character's names. It does show Susan Leeffert's face when we first iteration. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It nudges you. And then when you get to something like Rollo to Massey, you can imagine Helgoland and Hanson for months beating their heads against the wall being like,

how can we combine these moments? How can we educate the characters with something that is clever with something that is gets us along the track fast? You could have called a John Malone like the Rollo to Massey was really smart. It's a memorable thing. My son, I watched it with my son, he missed it. He didn't kiss you. Well, it's the two. And then when when Kramo says it's them, you really have to be paying attention to Pierce's face. So I don't think he totally got it.

And Pierce does such a great job in that scene, but just he does a lot of drawbone. Yeah, but it's like that's the time for especially looks. So Dudley wouldn't pick up on and actually

look like he has to take a shit. Anyway, like, it's always kind of how he's like. Is it correct? Did

“you had you seen this movie before? No. Was it hard to follow? And did you get the Rollo to Massey?”

I did get the Rollo to Massey, but to Andy's point, I had trouble sometimes there are so many last names just being thrown around throughout the entire movie that I had to kind of stop it almost like go to another tab and be like wait, which one has this last name? That part was harder, but I did catch Rollo to Massey. Okay. It's funny. It's like there's two things that jump out at me when I watch it. One is that buzz makes is the one of the main characters of the previous novel.

So like his life and death in this book is much more significant kind of and then the heroine, which kind of is a runner throughout the plot of like somebody stole the heroine from Mickey Cohen and it's like that is a major animating factor in the book and it kind of gets yada yada at the end of

the movie. I think he's never said it, but I think it's one of the reasons why Elroy is very hot and

cold on the movie is because it cuts out that part of it, which he's that that's like the way the drugs started running through the city is a big theme of all of his novels and the movie is not really super interested in that. The same thing with the freeway. It's like the sort of the actual spine of what was changing and how was going to be changed is kind of yada yada. Yeah. Do you miss heroin as a big plot in a movie? Just like we're not getting as much lately. Well, I mean we live in a

“time where you know like a different kind of drug I think dominates these kinds of movies too.”

Like a lot of things really. Yeah. There's the different thing. But like I remember vividly talking to my dad when he was literally on a heroin task force for years and then they like kind of paused that and shifted their focus onto more fentanyl related cases when he was working because everything in this country changed. It doesn't mean heroin is gone but it just doesn't hold this. This is the rise of heroin. You know like this is the rise of, you know, coming up next

time first take heroin or fentanyl. But it's a better movie job in that which I'm saying Chris it's like the rise of Skywalker. Oh yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. You mentioned the screenplay and how it came from the 1990 James L. Roy novel where basically a Hanson said if he was talking about the apparently golden era of the 20s and 30s which would have been basically bulldozed. I'm trying to take other movies and TV shows that kind of hit that a little bit. Mad men when they went to L.A.

Which I can't remember. I haven't, I got to rewatch my bad men's my next song a show after I'm

1960s. But bad men was in L.A. Almost for the whole season, right? And didn't it tap into this?

I'm remembering vaguely. He would go occasionally and then then then then once he's in Pete is living out here and it was the only time they could ever do it um, exterior's because they shot L.A. for New York the rest of the time so everything was which kind of helped the show so it was kind of

“radically sealed. But I think it definitely captured the sense the still the boom times of being out here”

that this was a place where everything worked and was golden and verdant and full of possibilities and opportunities and sunshine. Yeah well and pre-sports because the Dodgers come late 50s and so do the Lakers right? And then the Angels come and then all the sudden it's like L.A.

Here we go. Yeah. Free Wally, join her. Yeah. Yeah. But that idea that's in this movie too of like

we're selling it. We've decided on the dream we're gonna sell people. Yeah. But we had to create this too. This is everything. In Shawn's beloved battle on is also about this. It is. That's probably the best representation of that period of time that this movie is kind of reacting to. It's a TV movie. Nope. It's a feature film. Talk to a Damian Shazel. Sorry about it. Margot Robbie. Came out in the theaters? Yep. Yeah. Good film. I think this is something the

“Curtis Hanson did as well when he was pitching it around that most noirs that we think of as classics”

are set in like the 30s and 40s which was psychologically and physically a different time in America

and that's different. Intentionally and the only 40s in this movie is Veronica Lake. Then that's

intentionally. She's as we say cut to look like her. Everything else is just an abundant optimistic time. This is still the underbelly of it. So Hanson held a mini film festival for the people in the movie and showed them the bad and the beautiful in a lonely place. Dawn Seagulls, the lineup, private health 36 and Kissby deadly. I don't know if Shawn had any thoughts on it. I haven't read your sub-stack today. Can I ask you if you covered those? With the most fun part about directing

a film be like programming the pre-film festival for the cast. That would underline the fact that I don't know how to make films but I do know how to program a festival of film. We brought it Shawn fantasy for a film festival. Did you have any thoughts on those five? I've seen all the movies

“and I love all of them. I think Dawn Seagulls is like I don't know if you mentioned him is like”

act a director that Hanson really likes but that's clearly a kind of a fair higher guy who can work in a lot of different sorts of dramas but is really good about like Guy with a gun. Guy with a gun who's on a mission who's got a problem to solve. A lot of his movies are like that. And then the killing the Kubrick movie is really interesting because there's a lot apparently of Sterling Hayden's character in that movie in the Budweb performance that Russell Crowe looked at him.

Yeah because also he was Sterling Hayden was physically. Didn't Elroy say this that he wanted that Sterling Hayden was his choice to play Budweb. Oh, interesting. Well, in the specifically of Big Apple. Yeah, he's the biggest guy in LA in the book. And a Crowe looks pretty jacked in this movie. Yeah, but there's a couple of shots where you're like he's like a little bit taller than Danny to veto. Yeah. I thought we think Crowe is. He's listed it six. I looked it up.

It's like a major league baseball. The major league baseball hates thing has been my favorite sub-pot. It's funny. It's like he's been looking for three inches city. He went from six one to five ten. What? Yeah. Because they're measuring all these dudes for the strike zone. A lot of height line going on. Wait, wait, wait, wait, it's going to be a big story. I could actually go come on and do the whole breakdown of this. Yeah. It's been a lot of height line. We're

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You can see it. You can see where the next ten years ago. He's just a movie star in this movie.

What about him in the Divido spot? No. Not Sid. Listen. No. I think Vincent's. I think you're a really good Vincent. I mean, he's a little younger, a little younger. But I mean, he can do

“actually. He's a live right now. Because I think it's like what I like. Like a croissant at that time.”

Is this prayer post and why this is post and why I'm picking up post jails? A post jails. Precy as I prefer. That's role. Yeah. Available. Jack would have been a good one. It kind of fits the book a little bit more. I mean, Jack's a little like washed in the book and in the movie. It's like boy, he could, he's basically like the double for the guy. He's like demark on her. Yeah. But Crow perfect. Guide pierce.

We mentioned the bail thing. I think this is bail and they're making this movie. No, seven. It's clearly bail is is actually 2005 ranch. Because you got to admit, you got to admit to intelligence for sure. And that kind of posture, right? That's stiff posture. But then there's like he's got some stuff going on. You know, he doesn't grab Lynn Bracken lightly. He like he grabs her. No. So there's the scene that I really caught on rewatches when the camera

show up outside the night owl and Dudley like puts his hat on and actually kind of flexes. Yeah. He does. What did Wesley call Cicario? He does the gym flex. The gym selfy. The gym selfy of a performance in that moment. And then Spacey, who from 95 to 90 dan rips off usual suspects seven outbreak time to kill LA confidential American beauty and wins two Oscars. Yeah. And he's really good in this movie. And now it's like

“Kevin Spacey problematic. You could say the least. I think to Guy Pierce, especially. Yeah.”

Yeah. This is the really good actor. I think this is his best performance. I'm with you. I thought I'd be on an island with that. I think not dominated. I think he's been more iconic, obviously, as villains in movies and more memorable and certain movies. But given that he's on screen for 25 minutes and does doing a lot of acting with his face. Yep. And not with his words. That's like some life favorite lines and line readings in the movie. Also a classic Spacey

performance where it's like, is this guy straight or gay? Is this guy a good guy or bad guy? Is this guy funny or not fun? Yeah. Like there's the players to the scene with Matt Reynolds for his like, yeah, show business. Even like when he's talking to actually it's like, is he flirting with

his guy or is just talking to him? Like there's it's always he's like that last level of actor where

he's playing it where you're trying to figure out what he's up to in the scenes. And that was with House of Carrots. He's basically playing this guy as an older house of cards as a senator. And everything about the role is performance, which increasingly has he got more rewarded for his performances. That became what he did is he was doing shit in care. Yeah, I don't feel like this was sticking out. There's a moment that I one of my favorite moments in the movie. This is really

small moment is after they've told the boxer that they're going to help his brother get freed and they go back to the car and the guys like, you're like, come see me, right? You're going to go talk about it. And Spacey just has to cigarette in his mouth and he goes, keep it up. Yeah, put up. And it's

like it's such a perfectly choreographed bit that fits the character because the character is always

“looking for the moment to camera because that's what he admire's most. There's a really great”

heroic quote about Spacey that I think kind of sums up both his performance and also kind of how we understand him as a public person and even some of the thornyness without actually coming out and saying anything specific where he says Spacey is so deaf. He is so controlled, is so subtle, is so good. It's suggesting a character's inner life for the minimal of outward action. He glides. There's something amorphous about the guy. I met him a couple of times. I don't have any kind of rapport

with him, you know. I like him well enough. He's not a bad guy, but there's a mask that's up when you meet him personally. And I imagine that this helps him when he immerses himself. It's a deep immersion performance. Some of the best self-loathing I've ever seen on screen. Yeah, like, I still think that it was a come up in other parts of the pod. But like the him coming across Matt's body and like the wordless kind of like, funeral he has for Matt, but like kind of also himself as he like slides down

is like, that's really, really good shit. You know, like, that's that's the problem with his career,

which was, I mean, that run was incredible. He could never, like, remember he made that terrible

movie paid forward. Oh, yeah, tough one. He could never just be a normal person. He couldn't be like, Kevin Spacey is now a high school teacher with a heart of gold. He always had to play these mysterious guys. And I, I got to be honest, I think he's like a 101. I don't think he exists anymore. This was like a specific type of actor who kind of, you kind of knew what the perfect Kevin Spacey role was. And I don't know who's filled that void sense. I don't think we found the person.

that much anymore. He did actually pivot to television because he was kind of an actor who could really thrive in that space. But, you know, when you go back and look at the movies and the parts that he took on, it's not, it's not unreasonable to be like, there's kind of a red arrow pointing at the unseenliness of this person. Like, and almost the industry telling you by how they're casting him, like, what they think of him that is fascinating. And what's so weird is, I remember

at the time when he was at his apex, he was always talking about how Jack Lemon was his,

he was obsessed with Jack Lemon. And the thing about Jack Lemon was that everyone loved Jack Lemon. Yes. He played in every man, whether it's the apartment or grumpy old man. You're like, I like that. So more. He's, he had Kevin Spacey's in the out of got. He could have been like,

“is he going to kill us? Yes. Absolutely. I think the course is he gets to like Lemon Lemon is like”

in a way, like the margin call performance where he's kind of more like Shelley and Glenn Gary and doing that kind of head off like, but what you can do is kind of an outlier, he's right. Like, there's, there's a lot of Kevin Spacey performances. You'd be like, so you picked him to be the guy in seven. Interesting. Yeah. That's true. He's the kind of guy who cut his fingerprints off. Interesting. It's probably worth restating for the younger audience is that he was the star.

He was the top-build star of this movie and that speaking of professionalism with Curtis Hanson,

what he could do and what he couldn't do, he was like, my deal breaker is I want unknowns and we'll get to that in terms of these other cops. So they don't have a predisposition about them. For Dudley, I want someone that everyone thinks is the farmer in babe. So that everyone will like him. So we'll do that, Mr. Act. And then we'll have a movie star play Jack. Then sends and he got Kevin Spacey. He said he tried to get him to make it before he won for usual suspects. Yeah, it was

“winning the Oscar as I think one of the big reasons why this movie got to go because it wasn't”

going to go just with Pearson Crow. He was just a certain type of part and he was the best at it. But if you put him in like the ref as like the husband, that's it's just not going to work. Can basing or there's two separate conversations here. Conversation number one, CR, the Katherine Schermell, would you throw your life away for this obvious stay away award? Pretty solid, pretty solid choice.

It's pretty, it's, she's operating at a high level, but the Oscar? Well, that's the second conversation.

Yes, wins supporting actress. And if you were saying, hey, if you knew nothing, who won the Oscar would have been like a kind of a fourth round pick from this movie. Maybe like for a night year pick if we did a draft from from this cast from this cast cinematography director. Oh, yeah, adaption. You pick any category. Usually a more I personally would put Bridget Fonda and Jackie Brown. Also, this was the year you were whipping votes for Gloria Stewart. That's right. I heard she was quite

difficult for her. I deep that that Oscars year before we do Craig, did you, were you surprised you when the Oscar for this shocked? I mean, I would have given her a rase. I think she's probably the only character in the movie where I'm like, I see it takes me out of it a little bit. I think it is like a monkey among the more bizarre wins in recent Oscar history. I don't think she's bad. Yeah, I think she's far screws up. Yeah, yeah, I think if she was, if she didn't win the Oscar, you'd be like,

she looks enough like Veronica Lake that this is interesting. Can they say your character is the natural and the lady that seducces Redford. I think the Oscar is just like, she has four scenes in the same apartment wearing the same gown, having the same conversation. That's my lovely house in handcuff parts. Sure. We need to wreck it. We're going to get place to talk about it. But I was confident that was coming up. But I think that like Hanson is really good with actors and is

very fond of actors and he gives her opportunities to show more variety than she had been given in a lot of other parts and certainly even with this part which suggests like there's the moment when they're in the theater watching Roman holiday and Bud whispered something to her and she's a little playful and throws popcorn at him. So he's giving her a chance to succeed. But my question Sean is the local Oscar expert. I feel like Oscars like to do this thing where it's like we're

rooting for this person who got a chance to show us something and it's time to reward them as the next phase of their career begins. And tip there wasn't really an ex-phase for her. Well, is there precedent for that? Usually it's when someone has made like 10 or 15 all-time beloved classics or they've been a part of like something really special about movie history and conveysing her is a beautiful star and a good actor. But like what are her five best performances? What are the unforgettable moments

in Kim Basinger movie history? You know, she's Vicki Ville. You know, she's she's she's up she was a bond girl. She's gonna say nine and nine and a half weeks. You know, which is like a good erotic thriller

“movie. Craig you should watch out with Liz tonight. Not Afreex. It's rock-com. I think you're right that”

it's it almost seemed to be like okay well we can't sit wait to see what you do next. But usually when they give someone like this an award it's someone like Amy Maddigan, right? Who's like in their sixties or seventies and they can see this. I deep-dove this. So she beats junkie sack and in and out wild nomination. Good performance. I think she's good in that movie. She's very good. She's very she plays the wife of a man who is gay who like isn't coming out but is coming out

a long time. It did shoot in Northport, which is the town next to me. And when it was shooting, it was like Frank Oz and Kevin Kahn are making a movie next door and it seemed like a big deal. You don't think Tom Salick was the big name at that moment? That was great casting. I thought we'll do the rewatchables for a G-month. Many driver and goodwill hunting. Sure. Before I come in, yeah.

“She's I don't think she should have won but I think she was good in that movie. Yes, I think she's excellent”

and I love her. Julie and Moor and Boogie Nights. I mean, this is there. What the fuck are we doing? So fuck though. What are we doing? Like we should just put a thousand people to movie theater, show Boogie Nights and I like confidential and be like, guess who won supporting it. So like, it's just insane. It's a good way of putting it. It's a great idea. I think that, uh, can we do like the Jubilee like debate style thing with Gen Z kids but do it for Oscar's history?

Yeah. Just have this one isn't a debate. Like Julia Moor, her job is 30 times harder in that movie. Yes. I just think that movie had a little bit of a stigma. It's porn 90s. It just depends on the edge. It had a lot of like a claim for how, but it was a young director and it was like a fact. It's also a prostitute. It's not as though it's like. I know. But is there can you look at this Sean and like see the gamesmanship involved because people

the voters, she think Gloria Stewart was came in second. So Gloria was the fifth one from Titanic. We old lady. I still talk about Jack who she spent a weekend with. Meanwhile she has this whole fucking family. She's 80 seconds of the movie. I'd be so mad at my wife. I've been and I've talked about this. And she died. And she was so mad. That guy said we lived together for six

“the years. That was a fucking Jack 24 hours. I don't think that's why Gloria Stewart was”

punished and humiliated. You kind of mean words and they gave her kimbasing or this Oscar. But you think that the thinking person's voter in this case voted for kimbasing or because they knew I like confidential wasn't going away. I'll tell you what I think happened. I watched a bunch of the making of documentary that are on the blue right for this movie and in every single physical media. It's a blue ray. Every single interview when they are asked about kimbasing or just like

she's just like the best person. She's just really cool and Danny Divido is like, you know, she just really cares about the work and she's like a really nice person. There's none of this weird like talking around Kevin's base. He being a maniac. Yeah. I'm going on the interview. Kevin, what he did after like I can't say. I didn't even Kevin got a Kevin's Kevin. So but when you go back and look at the year, she went after, she went sag, she went the globe,

she went everything. She dominated the season. So really weird. People just like her.

“There should have been Twitter back then because I think they would have liked it. Like,”

let's really interrogate this. Are we really going to do this?

Yeah. I've never done a couple more. Richard found a Jackie Brown.

Heather Graham and Boogie Knights. Yeah. Why not? Sure. Sigourney Weaver and I storm. Yeah. Well, that's a good one. Parker posing waiting for government. Yes. Although the Oscars does do comedies. Yeah. But I think you could make a case for all of those. At least predominant. Really strange here. This is a new game I'm playing with IMDBs when I'm DB suggest the four movies you know the person from. What do you think IMDB

says known for for James Cromwell? It's great. Faith pig in the city. A racer. Would you still have a name going? You're not one really. Does it just TV count? Does it do TV? No. No. It's four movies. Oh, those four. This is it. Wow. This is my new paper game. It's great. It's John's going to steal this. I might. There's a couple of animated movies he did voice performances. Were there any animated performances? No.

LA Confidentials one. Yeah. Yeah. The first contact. LA Confidential. I wrote but I wrote but I would. The green mile in the longest yard. I am DB game. The longest yard's criminal. I was in the warden. Yeah. That's right. Come on. I'm DB. You got to do give us a little power. It's babe not in there. That's not. Babe is in Goldman thought that was the best movie of 1993 every year on the top four.

Do you want to talk prom all for a second? Incredible run by him. Did you? I thought

succession was the exclamation point was a multiple exclamation point. I'm seeing I'm seeing big heroes six as number two. Maybe that's personal. I think that's out of rhythm. Yeah. I have that. Oh, you're looking at Google. Sorry. I thought you were saying a letter about this. Oh, no. I was doing IMDB. Oh, IMDB. Okay. Got it. Um, Kronwell. I assume when you watch this, you're probably like, when did you sort of feel like

Doug, they was, was not on the straight narrow when you're watching LA Confidential. I don't remember how I felt when I saw a net theta across the board. Exactly. Did you know he was the bad guy? And I kind of didn't really until they basically told me. It's the only, it was the only downside of reading the book before and I thought because the story handles it so well. But the casting of him was so great. Because this is like three, three and a half years after babe. Yep.

And in general, he was always like, oh, I like that guy. It was like when they flipped

It's from the face. It's like, no. I like flipping them. Yeah. Yeah. They've done. Yeah.

That's good. It's like a hill turn. I can't remember seeing this in the theater at age 20 and being shocked, having not read the books. I absolutely, a memorable rug out from under me. That's the way that they film Jack's death is really, really good. Like it's really, really. Yeah. He's really great this. What do you think with the new strike zone, how would Cromwell fare? I mean, he's he's six. All guys. It was that tall. It was the

biggest flaw of succession that him and Brian Cox were brothers. It couldn't even be in the same frame. Put a foot, a half to the right. Cox is to reach. So nine Oscar nominations. It went for adapted in a one for supporting actress. You know, the best actor in a supporting role that year, Robo Liam's one for good one hunting, Robert Forster for Jackie Brown, no slender. Please. Anthony Hopkins and Amistad. Great Canadian is good as it gets. It's a week

one. It's terrible. That tires just wobbling in the back. And then our guy Bert Reynolds

“of Bugginites. No John C. Riley. I think Spacey, it's kind of insane. He was a nominant. The only reason”

he was not was a nominant was because he won. I think so. Yeah. And two years later, he wins again for American Beauty. That's actor. We've talked about this year before. It's a weird one where you have Peter Fondas in there and Dustin Hoffman away with the musical. And you have him. Have you seen him? Yeah. Is it a nice home? Do you prefer Uly's gold or Lorenzo's oil when it comes to, like, ingredients you can get an airline? Such a deal. For me, where are you different films? Sure.

Lorenzo's oil is very traumatizing film about a family, a couple trying to find a cure for their child's illness. That is not a good one. It's really a sad film. So Uly's gold's about a beekeeper who's a kindly old man who's trying to make a connection with his family. Andy likes to get a tamaric latte at airline with Lorenzo's oil. I do just like a little bit worse. Some people can maybe talk about it. I think they could have named it and be a little bit better. Lorenzo's oil is one of

like it's like a landman. You know, it's like a nice joke. So it's the 80s. We've got to start using Lorenzo's oil. Here we name your snorkel. Lorenzo's oil is stuck at about redless oil. So if you had say crow for best actor, guy pairs for supporting or spacey for supporting and you can only give one name. It feels like the rare actor actor for peers in Crow. Like two best actors. Yeah. And that was only happened a couple times, right? I'm not. So who is about who would you go with between Crow and

Pierce? Pierce. Probably Pierce too. Yeah. Wait. You'd give Pierce the Oscar nomination over Russell Crow for this movie. Yeah. I think that's the right call. I also think Russell Crow could have done both. Could have been like when we have two guys. Russell Crow, but I think it shows a little bit more that he is not American. Like I think his accent and his manner sometimes comes across as a little like

I'm still on the set of virtuosity. I think Pierce is incredible. 138 minutes, Craig plus 38.

There's just a lot of food on the plate. Yeah. I don't think you could have, you could make the same movie for an hour and 40 minutes. That's just like not possible, but this did feel a little long to me. Yeah. I did have a horrifying thought that you could have easily done this as a six episode drama. Oh, there's like specific cuts. Yeah. You would need to have, if you were to, I'm sorry, please, and if you're just thinking like there is like natural, like the fact that they may maybe show

is TV show. Nobody has to shut the fuck about making this. I mean, I just didn't go show that,

“but I want to do it. But that's what he is, anybody to do. I'll really,”

unless you've got this stuff or she'll like do well. Well, we have the evidence. They try to make the TV show twice. But with failed both times. Perhaps what's better way to do it, through Express. He's so strong. Exactly. I'm like confidential. Look what we used to be able to do. Like, there are good movies, does with like ellipses, with like just assuming you're going to get there, of condensing time of showing you that five most interesting moments in this character's journey

is remarkable. And I went into the, I was reading the shooting script to see if there were like, you know, novelistic dispositions about whatever. 100% no. No. The things that got cut were like the two things that I have in my nitpicks of what I wish were in the movie. Like it started with the more stuff about the freeway. Like it was just more context table setting stuff. Or you came into a scene a little bit before. Like I think it starts with Johnny Stomponato and Bud and Stenjani stops.

So there's more of that. And the payoff in the movie, where he's like, I don't need your 20 bucks.

I'm not a rat anymore. The first scene is him accepting 20 bucks from Bud and Stenjani to be

“right. I think you don't need it. I think if you told me that the same way that this is a movie made”

by really, really gifted craftspeople and like veteran filmmakers, if it was like, okay, Matthew Winner or Vince Gilligan are taking on the works of James Elroy. I'm vetoing it. That would,

LA Confidential. I think the movie I'm ready. No, the movie is at a certain level. I don't think you

“can do it. I think it's off limits. Like the made of fucking buggy nights. But obviously it is very”

very hard. People are very tempted. Like Dahlia got made. They've wanted to make white, white jazz.

I think big nowhere would be incredible. What in the movie did it just do? It's a each season is a

different. It would be cool because of the way that all of the characters intersect. You know, famously or infamously, Dudley survives LA Confidential. Like Chris said, he kind of hovers over the trilogy, the quartet of books. And so if you had like one amazing, if you had like John Malkovich's Dudley Smith across four seasons of TV and it's 12 episodes each and they're each and adaptation of the novels and all the novels are long, that would be interesting. It just has to be like the

most talented adapter of that kind of work. The other problem would be they'd be shooting it in Vancouver because we have a terrible marinator, terrible governor and we can't shoot shit in any idea because the whole film industry has gone to shit. We're gonna take a break and come back.

All right, so 35 million dollar budget made a hundred and 26.2 million LA Confidential,

uh, Roger Ebert four stars LA Confidential is seductive and beautiful, cynical and twisted in one of the best films of the year. You're shit, Raj. Raj has just been on fire for twenty dollars. You could have blindfolded me and I would have said pretty much that, that would be a review. Can you give me this? Probably. I had too many rewatchable scenes. I'll go through I'll go fast. Crow meets Basinger the first time. Actually shows up at the night out, I'll coffee shop

after all the murders and then they take the picture after it's like, hello, let me take my glasses off for this great shot. Crow goes to Basinger's house. She came out of bus with dreams to Hollywood and this is how it turned out. Thanks to Pierce, we still get to act a little. To be fair,

she took a bus from Echo Park to Hollywood. Her mother lives. Yeah. I do like you're the first

“person. Five years ago didn't tell me I look like Veronica Lake. Is it you look better, right?”

Really good move by. By our guy Basinger. Uh, the interrogation scene can we talk about this quick. This is a white way. It seems a fucking banner. It's a masterpiece. It's probably my favorite. I think it's my favorite. And just to be clear, where are we putting the parent medical interrogation into, but going to solve the real plan? You can have that, but it's just actually moving through the room, blood with the chair, but Dudley and Jack, the sort of deep

focus shots. It's just all the reflective stuff that they're doing. It's so awesome. I just quickly bud kills the rapists almost fights with actually actually kills three guys. Become shotgun Eddie. We've got a couple of good action scenes. The rollout to Mossy story. The two Johnny Stoppin' Auto scenes, which I'm just lumping together because we get, what do I get if I give you your balls back, you wap cock sucker? You're going to hear the word wap again? I'm half Italian. I

could joke about it. Uh, and then the she is a lot of Turner and we get to see them for most of the cafe. Yeah. Then we get limb bracket and seduce is actually. And then Smith shoots Hollywood Jack and then the rollover bill all in a row. Um, see I have a question. The shocking Kevin Spacey Dessing after Cromwell goes heel. The rollout to Mossy the way he says it and then dies. Is that

“eligible for the Jesse iceberg? That's good. You should be proud of that right there. Don't worry”

if you don't make it any further away for fun because I have that was going to be my flex, but it was a different space. Oh, we'll save it. Okay. Do you like that new category? I'm excited. They're a lot. I got to say it's been a minute. They're a lot in a cafe. We've been a little category free a little bit. Yeah, no comment. Um, I think a lot of choices. It's like a big diner. Just got what you just said. You want a corn beef sandwich? She did factory menu. Yeah.

Yeah, you're, but like how often when you go to a diner, you're changing up the order. 'Cause like the thing about a diner is special. You find what you like and you stick by it, right? I've got everything that I want. I like trying to challenge myself to like I think the thing that you're going to get sushi at a diner. It's like special. But you get a usual today. Right? Yeah, sometimes. Sometimes. Yeah. You got them from the specials. Fine.

Bill should start each pod by reading the specials, which is the new categories for the hour. That's good. Yeah. That's good. That's a happy stream of broccoli. Um, I just add one or two. Well, I'm that done yet. Oh, you're so fun. But finds the photos. Danny DeVito's trick. Yeah, tough one. Can be in. He thought it was a fan. Nope. It's not a view. It's of, actually, that's like when I see social clips of the watch. And I'm like, no Chris. No.

She's going down. And then a bug verse, actually, where it seems like Bud's going to kill

toilet dunk, legs, dangle outside the window. We don't get that often. Yeah. Get one, but not both.

And then the big shootout at the end. Victory motel. Sierra always talks about

situational awareness with action scenes, tight spaces where the camera is can follow where everybody is. It's a good one for that. It's really good. Yeah. And it's, uh, it almost feels a little bit premature. Like when you're watching the movie, you're like, oh, we're doing this now. We're doing shootout. We're done. Yeah. Okay. Because in the book, I feel like you're like, it's just like, you know, and the victory motel shootout isn't quite the

same in the book and stuff like that. There's like a train and shit. But yeah. Also, Crow, some of his gunwork in this movie leads to proof of life three years later. Yeah. A lot of people don't make that point. I was just having a conversation about this day of the day about Ryan. Um, you know, since the emergence of wearing the tactical bullet proof vests,

“I think we've seen a different kind of like gun acting going on. Yeah. It's also like,”

especially since John Wick. Yeah. But between this and, uh, uh, to live in Diana, I kind of miss guys running around with a revolver shaking everywhere. You know, like, there's like, bankout jumping over something and being like, hey, I forgot to tell you. I was watching the first date episodes of my advice again because there aren't two B. I was panca was in glaze. Yeah. No. Couldn't, there was a panca like a panca or a juvenile. I was

going to ask you about this. But I was like, I don't, I don't want to bother him with about

panca. This is like a never bother me with my best. You guys in one girl. And then the two guys

realize they love each other at the same time. And the girls like, hey, but we're the one girl. Listen, to you to be said, to be flexated for us. Yeah, whole series is there. We talked about the pancosons. Yeah. Cause an ira. Yeah. Can't go had a tough pod run to live in Diana.

“Like, you gave my tough time. I think I liked it. I was kind of with Bill. I, I was. I see”

both of us to jump on the panca, recasting banwagon, but was hinting. I was more on my side. I was weird. You didn't know your mailbox from Billy Peterson about it. Like, hey, love your work. Now, he's just, all he does is just roll and piles of money. Yeah. He's never heard of podcast. Same pool, which is just with $20 bills. And then he just dies. His uncle screwed. Just swims around and watches the bills. So what's your, what did you, what seems to do you have that I didn't

mention? Well, we mentioned it, but when, um, actually in Bud and Vincent's go into the DA's office or the captain's office, and they're being kind of confronted with, will you rat? The way that those three scenes are cut, another amazing, uh, spacey performance when he is told that he's going to have the show taken away from him, just on his face. It's amazing. And then putting, at behind the mirror and observing when Jack is being interrogated, I think that whole section is so smart. And kind of like,

that's when the movie coalesces and you're like, oh, it's these three guys. Like, this is really what this movie is about. Yeah, three cops. What did you have from most of your watchable at you name them all, but I, it's the interrogation scene for me. Like, it jumps up such a level and

to see, it's always fun when the audience gets put in the same position as some of the characters,

“when Jack says, are you sure college boys up to this? And he's like, I think you'll be surprised”

with the boys capable of. Yeah. And we all lean in being like, oh, I guess we're about to be surprised. And then I didn't, as there've been other president of the manipulation of the live mic in interrogation scene. No, I'm not conducting it. He's like, due to Melon there. He's got, yeah, he's like, he's making sure that the other guys can hear certain things at the other, uh, the other, and really good fully on the snap of the switch. Yeah. Really. I had that in one stage.

The best is, um, when college boy was an insult. Oh, yeah. And like, the 40s fifth is six. Like, oh, look at college boy. We just don't have, we've lost college boy. I don't know what it is now. Like, Master's boy. That's never the same way. Just a boy. I don't know. Just the error where you would make fun of somebody for pursuing higher education somehow. Some of it. It's like that was for a minute. People were calling guys lives. That was like sort of a, they're gonna let the

lips. So that's the most lip thing I've ever heard of over. Overlip. Overlip. You're like, I was an error. You know, what was calling the lips are back, man. So we are the, we are the interrogation. Uh, I have the interrogation. Interesting. I have one other small one, which is bud visiting Pierce Patchett for the first time. God, I love that. Oh, we have not talked about Pierce Patchett and just like, yeah, strather. Come on, strather. And it's so good in this movie, too.

Our guy. Dion, Dion, Dave. Oh, okay. Oh, no, I don't want to piss on it. But he's so good in, oh, he can do that in any movie, sneakers like whatever. Yes, he's one of my favorite. I am D. B. Including he's in the best Miami vise episode ever. Thierry straight, right. There's an arms. Yeah. Wow. Sure, like third episode of season 10. Just keep you in the movie. We've got the energy. Him and Bruce McCall. Yeah. Miguel. Miguel. Bruce McGill. Yeah. Bruce McCall. Bruce McCall. Bruce McCall. Bruce McCall.

in a really terrible Bruce Willis movie that I like. Can you guess the color of my castle? Nope. Is it Hudson Hawk? Bruce McGill. Bruce Willis. Sarah Jessica Parker. Oh, uh, striking distance. Oh, yeah. This is the book. Yeah. That's very good for boat call. Disgraced cop, doing that like Pittsburgh Coast card's birdway in and out was to Long Island. People in Pittsburgh were like strike conditions. Well, that was here. Well, this was having a, I think they like that movie.

Made it all the way. It's going to be the third actually where it's like all that one boat. And he's going to

get move around the boat. But he's being spot. Yeah. I'm sorry to check some boxes. I tell you that much. Cops not like any other. There's the reverse cop. It's right in the heart of the Barry Bonser. Yeah, it's like early night. Oh, it's the killer pretty good. Yeah. But neat. Well, be it was on the Mets at this point. I think so. Well, I'm a really guy with the most really joke of all time. When I'm hosting to be classics and 70 or a month will allow it.

“Okay. The only thing I would shoot for out is like a rewatchable. I have the interrogation scene.”

You know, what's fucking great is the post-exley shoot out montage that they do to skip ahead time where it's like, actually gets promoted. Jack returns to badge of honor. But goes like continues to see Lynn. And then you get like hit, you know, bud keeps beating up all of the

mobsters moving in on Mickey's turf and the 10 opens. Those advantages can go the wrong way.

That one works. But I think it's probably the worst part of the godfather when a Pacino, which is the newspaper Michael kills Wiklasky and Salatso. And then it's like, did it? It's like playing this carnival music. They're just showing newspapers. The other way. Wow. The other risk you run is like driving the bus past something you actually wish you could stop and get out and spend more time in like the Santa Monica Freeway.

Well, on the Santa Monica Freeway, two pierced patches, gender-bending champagne party. That's right. Which really like they had a location. Yeah. You know, they brought in the cabaret answers. They bring those back. Those parts of your house.

“Just so I might do have a pierced patch at party. Yeah, you should. Just like guys,”

no limits. Just a bunch of chicks wearing clothes. Like modern access. Which is we're just going for a close name. Oh, I'm listening. Oh, I'm listening. All right. It's just a bunch of chicks wearing clutch sweatshirts. I was like nothing. Craig's already our speed speed now. What's the most 1997 thing about this

movie? Tough funk. Because it's set in the 50s. But it's got to be young crow, right? Which you say is based on the poster? Yeah, I was based on the poster on the poster, yeah.

I had this is to not to be shown off. But I had that this is a movie in the first place.

It's the most deeply 1997 thing about it. This is a TV show. What's streamer with this beyond? Yeah, exactly. I don't know, man. We're just coming off projectile Mary. Book adaptations are back. Like this is this is the way with movies. Is adapt to these really good novels into movies. This was how it was for like 40 years in Hollywood. But this was not a popcorn slam dunk beetry dress. True. True. Do you guys want to hear

my son's review in the kitchen of Project Kilmeri? Sure. I tell you that you texted it to me, yeah. He was like, how was it? And he said, it sucked. It's like really it sucked. People like he's like, no, it was good. It sucked. But it was really good. It kept my interest. And I'm glad I said in the theater. It's like, it sounds like you liked it. It's like, no, I liked it. I was like, we had a movie. Did you think he was going against conventional movies? I think he was trying

to zag because I don't know what he was thinking. Okay. We're still working on that. I do it to his credit. There was that thing where the expectations are really high for a movie and you're like, this did not meet the expectations. That's where we landed. Yeah. He thought it's good and I appreciate it. But the next thing he said was it wasn't like 2001. That's the favorite. Next quote. Yeah. That's true, though. Yeah. Yeah. It wasn't going to be 2001, Ben. So we're working. He's only 18

working progress. Special category. I threw in the Floyd Gondole Butteramass and Lali Pops, my mouth of word for something. I just enjoy. I like scared characters with a puddle of pee underneath them. We get to in the home run every time. If someone pisses themselves, it means it's good movie. I didn't think they'd go back to the well. So to speak. Mm-hmm. You know somebody scared when they're just the pee's running down their leg or there's pee

under their seat. Mm-hmm. It's the last level of fear. Craig, don't put the cameras. Craig,

“don't need the stand down. That's how I felt when you guys asked me if I like proof of life.”

Jared, thank you. Like proof of love. If you just don't know it, you know, my goal is to really kind of lack all Dorado's driving around. Only in the 1950s. It's pretty cool. I just go for it. Would you have for what's aged the best Andy? What's aged the best? I thought your Floyd Gundoli would be like a group of men being told to

That is what's aged the best. Well, we already said racial profiling is an attempt to project

dominance and safety in a community. Yep. Going great. I thought audiences willingness to explore twisty morality genre tales, just not in movie theaters. You had tabloid culture. I feel like I feel like LA is still a rough adjustment for some outsiders. You don't usually

“get pulled into the Victory Motel, but emotionally it can be a tough adjustment. That's what”

working above Urbalife was grantland. That's right. That's right. That's kind of our Victory Motel. Would you have? Oh. Well, my Gundoli is when a seemingly kindly old Irish man is the most evil person in the community, which is also you find that in the town as well of course. There are many such examples. And this one has a great one end ugly. But what's

aged the best is there was a really good interview with Hanson, where he said, "I love characters

who only have one scene, but they're the star of that scene." And this movie is a great example of that. And there's a handful of actors when we get into some of the other character categories. We can talk about it. But that's a really clever idea that I think has been dismayed with a bit over the last 25 years and he turns into a body with the walk-ins. Yes. But it's like the coroner. The coroner has a whole day before, but what he wants is a great example

“of a character when he's in the scene. He's the star of that. Sure. That's good. What do you have here?”

For best? Yeah. Pierce Patchett has a proto-eptine, riching himself, because when we control from the shadows, using blackmail, this is more of like a movie thing. I think for the novel readers, they're a little like, all right.

But Dudley telling exly will never be a great cop unless he can shoot a criminal in the back

in order to get justice. And that's exactly how exly kills Dudley. Yeah, that's well. And just like the balls on these guys to do the Dudley, to make Dudley like a twist rather than going into it, we all know Dudley is like the dark prince of Los Angeles. And instead, it's like holy shit. This guy is taking over from Mickey Cohen. I have corrupt Delay cops, which you mentioned. I love movies where the police department hates

one of their own cops. Yeah. Oh, his works. He's shining him. Yeah. And there's like their groups. And he's coming around the corner and they're just kind of stink. I'm a cop. Yeah. Yeah. It's that always works. I was kind of like, there's, I don't ever want to use Sora the AI video thing. But I kind of want to put Inspector Todd and Delay confidential. Hi guys. Just put it that every cop over. Increase racial harmony within the LAPD. Yeah.

Talking about getting plastic surgery is having you cut. Yeah. We just need to bring it back. That's just come back. Yeah. You're going to have me cut to look like Nick Wright.

“Where's Chris Finn? What is Chris of some of the chiefs opinions?”

Yeah. Yeah. I have a cubeteer. Yeah. It's Chris. Okay. DeVito. I mean, I know it's the 50s so you can get away with it. You could have now. But when he rips off the back to back, did you know the DA is a swish. And then he does the Reynolds as an AC do see two, two phrases. Nobody said in 50 years. Yeah. Just I thought it was, uh, there's a lot of colorful. Yeah. Royisms and the two that are you don't hear too often. And then Russell Crowe said that L. Ray told him Budway doesn't drink.

So Crowe didn't drink during the entire shoot and described it as the most painful period of his life. And not ironically. Yeah. Probably why he looks great by the end of the movie. I mean, he legendarily like builds his own bar at set. He like he has like a pub set up or did. Who did? So the the best all-time drunk actors, Quentin Jaws. He died when he was like 34 Richard Harrison and Oliver. Richard Harrison. Oliver Reed was another. He died during Gladiator. Yeah.

Sterling Hayden. Sterling Hayden. Yeah. Yeah. He didn't even look at the script. Yes, famously huge drunk Peter O. Tool and Lion and Winter. Yeah. I mean, throughout Peter. Well, yeah. Robert mentioned. Yeah. Right. They mentioned story. I mean, Mitch and wouldn't do Sarah live unless they gave him a case of Aussie Quarvo Golds. But he wouldn't go on. That's silver. That's it. Nick Valté was a famous one. That's a good one. I mean, Colin Farrell. You know,

our beloved Colin Farrell for a time. You know, he was any could this be in a ringer podcast for you or each episode is just a history of a drunk actor. It's sure. Yeah. We do the full arc of the character. Remember how much time we spent talking about Robert Shaw and the jaws. Yeah. But like 20. But he was daring, dry fist to climb up on the boat. Shame him, dry fist was going to do it. Spilberg had the step in because he was going to die. You asked Billberg back that. Yeah. We talked

Being shit for you, stirring the making of jaws. What would it be now, Craig? Just somebody who took

too many gummies who, yeah, overdosing on CB day during a pod. Yeah. And just soft. Again, we used to know how to make things in this picture. Yeah. We used to make the really be bleachers. They know how to put them in so that they can work in brothels, model done movie stars. Now to be fair, uh, conveysing her is not been cut. We should be clear. Lin is not just out of her, tighter, tighter, tighter, tighter, tighter, tighter.

“Try to bisby Arizona. Sierra, what do you have for great check order?”

Uh, all the stuff in the interrogation scene before actually goes in. There's like a great one of Jack and the front of the frame, Dudley and Mid. Actually is reflected off the glass, and you can see into the interrogation booth to see the kid waiting for them. And it's just like these guys. But not funny. I was watching the movie thinking that was like minus 250 on Fandel that that was going to be Sierra's Gorda. Did you have a different one? You love reflection shots. I do.

You're a big reflection guy. Multiple splits. I after shots movie, like three. I think they were. Um, well, one in particular when X-Leon Bud burst into the DA's office, they show rifkin in the background and butt in the foreground. Like it's just a jumps out of you. Um, yeah. I think also just the one of the very last shots of the movie is actually holding up the badge in the shadows of the cop cars arriving, which is just a beautiful image.

I like the cop cars coming over the hill. I think that's really good. That's good. There's one other one too, which is like the when X-Leon Budweiter about to show down, like you have a show down in the street. And it's one of the only zooms in the movie. And like, zooms in on the two of them and captures them in the frame head to head with each other. This is the thing I wanted to say. Like it is such an unsholy movie in terms of camera work in

direction. It is always serving the story. And then when I went through it to consider this category,

“that's what jumped out. The very few times that they choose to move the camera. Yeah.”

You pay attention. So weirdly, one of my nominations for this category is like not even that memorable of the scene, but it's when Stenzlin walks out of Dudley's office after turning in his back and gun. Yeah. And he puts out his hand to shake Bud's hand. And we kind of move the camera around to this just wall of raw beef faces. I'll be like raw deal, Stenz. And then we completely move the camera to see X-Leon coming down the hall. And similarly, you've called it a

minute ago. When Bud shows up at Patchett House and he's at the top, Patchett's putting at the bottom and they're both in frame. And you feel the divide between them. Yeah. Chess Rockwell, Brocklanders are where for best character name Hollywood Jack, the big V. The big V in two names. He pulled out two nick names successfully. I'm a lot of good ones. Here's some more house patch it, which is PIMP. It's pretty darn good. Pretty good. What about a buzzmakes?

Dick Stenzlin? Yeah. I would say there's like a shadow version of this category, which is missed opportunities because there are a lot of characters in the film. Some of whom have lines

“and have a role to play, and their names are Chief of Police or City Councilman. I think that's”

because those guys in the novel, Lisa Chief of Police, are like real people. Real cops? Yeah. It's just, I feel like if you were able to like dine out in Los Angeles in 1998 and be like, guess what? I'm in the best picture nominated film, like, Confidential. And I've three scenes, who do you play? Councilman. It's kind of a bummer. Yeah. There's a bummer. The Amanda Dobbins Award for Best Piece of Real Estate. Here we go. Shoutout to Amanda.

The Elliott Confidential House. It's in Hancock Park. It's right next to eat 10th and 11th poll of Wilshire Country. This is Lin's House? This is Lin's House. Okay. So it's basically the 11th, 11th fairway. It was for sale twice in the last seven years in the first time. So what? It was on one of my walks. Went and checked it out. Went and didn't open a house before somebody fixed it up. And it's pretty neat. No. It was like the Elliott Confidential House.

Everybody in the neighborhood knows the house on a Budwebs firm. Is that what they're doing? Yeah. Keep the black light in the house. Um, but it was cool. Buy it to put his money in there. Well, there's no backyard. It was like mostly a front yard. And then a side yard that's next to the golf course. And it was kind of like, this is something you'd really have to spend money to fix it up. Somebody bought it. Fixed it up. And then sold it during

COVID for $7.5 million. Do you think they got it? Or do you think that amazing like front room? I think they

kept the bones. But I think they had to fix it was one of those where you walked on it. You could feel the floor is creaking. Yeah. It was just buried under there. But it's fucking cool. And that's a really cool street that you basically come off Ross Mar, which is one of the first big Hollywood streets. You take a left and you go down and it curls around. And where curls is where that house is. So you see it and curls right through Coagua. But it's a really cool distinct house.

I don't know how livable it is. And 20. This is the category I picked for my Flex category. But I didn't pick that house. I picked Pierce Patchett's house. Yeah. That's the horizontal. So I had some thoughts on the Pierce house because that's the runner up. I wanted it to be even bigger

put his thing on it. If he's doing it, Sean. He's getting that age money. Yeah. He'll be awesome too. Plus maybe he's. Yeah. Maybe he's using the product. He's also got to pay for all those ladies to get cut. Getting cut was more expensive. Sure. That might not be covered by insurance.

So you like that. I don't are the interiors in the movie. The actual insurance. I've never been

thought it was too much. It's a street from where I live. It's in those fields. It's the level house. It's a very famous house. Very famous architectural master piece in LA. There was built like a hundred years ago. It's put it. It feels like it was designed in the 50s and it's beautiful. It's a noiter house. It's a building town itself. The great thing about Hancock Park is like these houses have been around for 110 years and like some shit went down in a lot of the houses and you just

can kind of feel the energy. But it's like yeah, definitely like I'm going to be the horse style. What are you never know? Ghosts? Yeah. Oh, no. Confidency word for stealth homage that gives every movie nerd a criteria orgasm. What a pleasure to have Andy here for this kind of excited for this. But wait, what about the real estate? I thought someone was going to mention Bob's Market in Echo Park, which is that the three streets converging where the boxer is and that's

the that's where fast and furious starts, right? Isn't that the market? Wow, I didn't want to bring that up, but it did look a little familiar. And then it's a beautiful one. It's a beautiful one.

You wouldn't vote fast and furious. I've never seen that. I just thought you I thought that was

appealing. It's a good one. Thank you, Sean. What do you have for criteria? Two in their related. As Andy mentioned, Bud and Lane go to a showing of Roman holiday. The Audrey Hepburn Cregary Pack classic Oscar winning movie released September of 53. So it's right. The perfect time is this movie is like September 10th. And when Jack goes for drink after the party at Badgevonor, he goes to the Frolick room, which is right next door to the pantages theater, which is showing on the

“marquee, the bad and the beautiful, which as you mentioned is one of the key inspirations for this movie.”

Frolick room, still there, still there. My only other criteria orgasm is an oral You don't get that criteria. I just consider beyond solos. I'm solos. I'm solos. It's music based. Just joined in, it was. It's searmon. Okay. There you go. It's based some of the score off of

Leonard Bernstein's on the waterfront score. Pretty critical. It's a fact based. Just searmon,

does get to have a criteria orgasm on searmon. Do you have your orgasm on the show? On this one during the car you just didn't know. It's a quiet death. It's a time to meet God. A little death, so walked into the dark. Did you hear on the mail bag of a listener said that the Emily Block character should have been Tom Cruise? There's an amazing, amazing email. Like Tom Cruise, the firm early 90s. Yeah. Yeah. Into the young guy, who's a rashly cocky soldier.

It's pretty interesting, Thoughtx. Maybe you could do that on Sora. Sure. Tom Cruise is not going into the car. You have a Flex category. Let's see. I had Jesse Eisenberg. That's good.

“You should be proud of that right there. Don't worry. If you don't make it any further,”

it was the best line reading was when Jack says to actually why in the world do you want to go digging any deeper into the night out killings would be tenent because it's like that made you. No. So yeah, that was my favorite one. Which is girlfriend word week link of the film. This will be interesting. Do we have a way click Sean? I don't think that it's basing her, but I wrote down basing her because I didn't know what to do. Okay. Andy. I this might be

like a sort of a niche thing, but I think Devito is the worst on screen Italian as Jews since De Niro and Casino. Great take. Like this is honestly, I'm fixated by this. It's love it. Like there's a lot of and we'll get to I imagine promos Irish accent, but like there's a lot of certain words are doing a lot of labor for Devito's performance, where he's just like boy. Boy Chick. Boy Chick. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I found that maybe the scales are even because Jason

Alexander played a character named George Costanza. So maybe the Jewish Italian alliance is strong. This is a real hobby horse of yours. Yeah. You like to point out a great accent. I really appreciate it. Yeah. I love it. Come on. At any time because of the watch, I like a role of representation, like the muck-raking energy. It's such a much, much magazine. Prouches and closets to photograph the rich and powerful. Yeah. To watch the sex. Yeah,

“let's low get a DJ. This is important for the culture. Yeah. Okay. So I'm just saying that's not”

pretty sure. That's the weekling. The passage of time in this movie is not super well documented to me. So I think if you watch this movie like the way Craig did like the first time,

Yeah. It starts in 53 and no 51. Yeah. Then I think it was just paper at one point. It's been in six to three months. In the muck it's like a decade almost. It's it's a that's eight years.

There's a third of Dodgers game in there. But they do a good job of it. Like it doesn't really matter.

It doesn't really matter. It's not a weekling. And I also think like to that to that same point, like the heroine. It's it's still kind of hard to track the heroine in the movie. My weak link was Danny DeVito. Yeah. Thank you for different reasons. For the reasons you mentioned. Thank you. I just wasn't buying it. He's just an Italian. He's just Danny DeVito. I also, he takes me out of the movie a little. Oh, he's his Danny DeVito nest is just too. I'm the president

and too much of a history with them. And he's in taxing his remains. I can't buy him as a character and I almost don't know if we needed a famous actor for that part. I just every time he's been in the scene, it's such a good beshemmy role or something. Yeah, it's just there you go again. I know it's your month. But he's. Excuse me. I can't do Italian. It's Kevin Paulish. Yeah. Yeah. He's right there.

“Take out. Come on. Honestly, Kevin Paul could have done it. Yeah. We could have. I find that DeVito”

is a great first voice to hear when the movie opens and you're getting those postcards.

And he's a kind of a great narrator. But when he's in scenes and spacey, who's a big show actor, but is much more subtle in this movie. And DeVito is just throwing ham sandwiches at him. Not stop. I mean, it's crazy how big it is. Why they cast a go. It could be. Yeah. I just think he's done too much comedy over there. Like even when he was getting like beaten up in the chair at the end, it's like, oh my god, he's done it. I had a one for this for recasting.

It's Billy Crystal too famous for that part. Yes. Well, you've been surely made the case. Danny DeVito was way too famous for this part. Why is Danny DeVito living in this? My point is if you're going to go famous for that part, I'd rather have Billy Crystal. Yeah. And then I try to

really, really crystal right make up. My dream choice would have been Larry David, because nobody

“knew who Larry David really looked like in '67. Yeah. And I think the big brain thinking I want.”

Yes. It could that could have been where we went. But I just. So that's when Larry David walks up to Jackman sends and he says, this guy has a jackal in his stomach. I don't know. I mean, he took me out of the movie. Too much history. Anyway, what stage of where it's Kevin Spacey? I didn't like the the Pierce House as much. I really wanted like a Babylon house for him. I wanted like just this house is obscene. We're like in Hollywood Hills, there's no house

within maybe Warren Malibu. I don't know. I just wanted like a giant kind of like crazy. Oh, my God. This guy's got to be the richest guy in LA kind of house. I got to know sell that one. Guy Pierce Kevin Spacey stuff. Pierce that was just in the news. He got handy with him on the set. Yes. And he was uncomfortable and whole thing. I don't probably should just punch them. James Owler is relationship to the film. He's all over the map. Yeah.

97 he said it was a work of art on its own level. And in 2016, he said it was problematic. And in 2023, he said it was turkey in the highest form. And that quote that crow and basing are impotent, right? Yeah. And then when Curtis Hanson died, he was like, it's pretty good movie. James, I don't have any other what stage of where we're going. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think what's aged the worst is hands down the opening. And I quote, there are jobs of plenty

and land is cheap. Every working man can have his own house. We're any millennials. Craig, you want to weigh in on that? Just don't at home. Yeah. Okay. Can can working man have a home. Yeah. Frig, Craig is producing this from an accurate. There's one other quote in the film that is obviously very purposefully almost grown worthy. But from downtown to the beach in 20 minutes is he's taking his note, which is just kind of natural. Let's go. Unless you're driving the cabin.

You're buying it. Yeah. Interesting. So I'm a couple of what's aged the worst. The fight that button actually have in the records room, when he catches actually like after Lynn. Yeah. He would have killed them. Like the way he's like throwing them around the room. He's like slamming his head into a filing cabinet. And the guy is like a shiner afterwards. That's also Russell Crowe's

“audition to be Wolverine. That's right. That's why he works. I like what he throws the chair out of the”

window now for no reason. Just to be like, oh, yeah. Yeah. I had something somebody had to pay. Sometimes we got to bring back. It's just being able to be ruthlessly violent in the workplace. You know, just a little furniture through window. Yeah. That was definitely an H.I. violation. Yeah. I don't think the day transition to talent. Only is the day you make that. Yeah. So there's like going to window out. Yeah. Do you think that the L.A.P.D. had HR? Right. And then the only

bud triangle. Yeah. That whole like we're going to take pictures of Exley with Lynn to make bud go crazy so that he attacks Exley. Thing is the one, uh, film only flourish that is a little off because in the book. And as the rape victim is actually the center of their love triangle. See, I think I saw that part. So what the fuck? Well, I think it's just almost as like why wouldn't they just have Exley killed? Like they're doing that to everybody else. Like why

I think it sounds insane. But if somebody did like a adaptation of the book of basketball and they

had that caramel on third, I would fucking lose my mind. But you said you said your adaptation

“would be to forget the entire text. I think we got to game this out. Who's who's making the film?”

Yeah, we did a scripted film. Nobody is 12 part documentary. I have an easy category. The role direct the 12 part documentary book of basketball. If I can reorder the cafeteria minutes again. Yes. And the film festival beforehand is going to be killer. The Rufflow Hannah Rubenek, part of Job Racting, where it is an easy one. It's the old lady who ideas her call girl daughter and then has two other terrible scenes and looks like David Letterman

It's like they've been in a drag going to Deacon. Just it's just a zero the entire time. Say her name from what when somebody called sick. Was there some Oscar winner that at the

last second? Like we felt ill when they just said the grab some one scene. It's a vibe. Like

okay, that she's when she's identifying that's my girl and you're like, well, that was really memorable, you know, day player that they found to play that role. Yeah. Of all the people who show up on set and you're like, let's reward this person with an entire two more scenes. Really bad. You have a flex category. I already did it. It's Pierce Patchen. You shot me down. He said it's not a nice house and it's not architecturally significant and I should stop talking and so I will.

I thought it was a nice article. I was saying he's just like actually would have been splashy here as more. What's his what's his background Pierce? How did he make his fortune? Businessman. Oh, H, H just sling an H? No, no, I think he's dabbling now. But he's like,

“he's in his 40s or 50s at this place. I think like what did he make his 40?”

Honestly, he's different. It's good point. I think it's emerged out of a world of blackmail and extortion. I had a major nitpick for this that I was going to do later, but I'll do now some chum brought it up. I just think gambling's part of this. I don't know how he misses it. The guys have business man. You got H over here. Yeah. I got my call girls here. Of course, I'm having that. I have like a whole underground casino in my giant palace watching March man just hit in

Parleys. Every boxing thing, the guys are going down there. They're taking bets. There's no way he's done doing that in LA. So there would have been this. Yeah, big missed opportunity. The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford. How does take a word, Andy? You haven't done this before. I don't know if I have a hot take. Okay, you just need to struggle to find one. I think this is like the perfect modern period film in that it feels really true to life. It has all

“of the sort of superficial like the cars, the production design. All of it looks like the 50s,”

but it feels like a 90s movie. It's like a modern film. Yeah. The acting style is decidedly modern. Everything about like the performance and the editing and the feel of the film is like 97. Like you could put this up against usual suspects and it feels very similar. But then they take all of the know-how of like how to make a full on LA and more movie and push it out there. It's just like the perfect balance. We should we should check out Brian Rafftree or friends article on the

ringer.com about 90s more. It really talks about why the the like the 50s and the 90s were decades that celebrated more because they were decades after a big conflict where the United States had a very clear like you know self at least the way they could thought of ourselves as Boy Scout role to play and then there's kind of a moral morale afterwards. Yeah. Yeah. Take wasn't hot enough. I'm coming in way hotter. Okay. That was warm. Just telling you I'm going to be scorching.

Sean, you go. Okay. Um, set up to fail there. This is you can come in hot.

I'm just saying it's people are going to get burned. The second best adaptation of the Wizard of

Oz of all time. Um, that's good. That's pretty good. It's a good habit. And and wicked and wicked for good or very far near the bottom. Um, there's Bud, the cop with no brain. There's Ed, the cop with no heart. And there's Jack, the cop with no courage. And then there's the victimized girl Lynn who just wants to escape Oz and go back home to Arizona, not Kansas. And they all get what they want. And Dudley is the Wizard. He is the Wizard of Oz. With a few months in the series. Really good.

Yeah. I didn't invent that take. That is something that has been suggested about this movie. That's really good. It is good. If you play dark side of the moon, starting at who invented that thing, and can we get them here before the end of the movie? It's been written about since the 90s, because the archetypes of the characters are so strong. And it's like, why does this movie feel so familiar

somewhere. He's like, "What you don't know, man? Is Kelly confidential is just Wizard of Oz!" Man! Mine is, uh, this is almost a new category. The Pierce Patcher Award for most reprehensible movie plot idea that was actually pretty awesome. His business of high-class

“call girls being cut to look like movie actors. I think it's kind of a brilliant business.”

Great job, I am. Wow. Yeah. It's ahead of its time. Yeah. Like, I think you could do this now. Do you think you win Shark Tank? I think you could do it. You've got a Shark Tank right now. I'm like, so we got the Kardashians. We have Margo Robbie. And I don't know. I think, I think in the room, I think Cuban Basit. Who knows, Bill. Maybe it's still happening today. Craig? I literally had this written down. I was like, this guy invented

deepfakes, actually. Yeah. Casting what ifs? We mentioned McConaughey turned it down, said in 2018. Really regretted it. Russell Crowe turned it down and they talked them into it. Nothing else interesting. There was a Isabella Scrupgo offered the lead female role turned it down. I don't know if I believed it. I was in one of the reasons I was going to call my golden eye.

So one of the things, the other things I saw at Basinger was their first choice. They really

wanted us to have who knows. So there was a Michael Natsin as bud. I didn't believe that one. Okay. No, I'd kick the tires on it. I just think at 97 is Matt's in getting a movie like this. What about Michael Natsin? We're just kind of to look like Russell Crowe. Okay, you're just doing that. Yeah, just can go both ways. We can start doing guys, too. Yeah. That's right. Let's go on. No, you can call it guys to look like other actors.

And then we'll look at this Glenn Powell look like I have. Yeah. What are you doing with it? Fucking, you haven't a catch. I don't know who's going to see our butts. I bet that guy wore this and she wore this part of you.

“So many of that guys. This is the best thing to do. What do you do?”

The pierce patchy, but just to make cool friends who look like famous people. Fucking Colin Ferrell from Miami Blitz. I can't go get Moito's. But he's just some dude from Nebraska. Got off the bus? Yeah. I'm looking for Moito's. I feel like he would do that. Have you seen that video of the guy who hires the Tom Cruise impersonator and just hasn't

come over to his house. Hey, don't look at one on one. It's a very human desire. Would you? Pamela Anderson is Lynn Bracken. Did you kick the tires on that? I just don't believe it. Okay. I don't think they're going. She's just a little bit. You're at the gray. What trees of this podcast is when you'll decide we didn't have a rumor. It's not real. Listen, there's a sniff test all of these.

And I just don't think Curtis Hanson was like, you know, we should get Pamela Anderson to play.

“I just don't see it. And I think as the years pass as we discussed, I think that people just”

start adding stuff into the history of the movie. And I want to start doing that for recreation. Just popping on the IMDB trivia page. Yeah, you just basically start adding shit. That's that guy we have a ton. We have for the for the common man, the Craig's out there. We have straight aren't. I think people not everybody knows his name. Rob Briffkin is definitely a that guy. I have Ron. Ron. Ron. Ron. Ron. Ron Riffkin. I'm going so much deeper. We have Matt McCoy,

the dad from hand that rocks the cradle. Call back. Wait, Matt McCoy also,

why we'll always think of as Niclasard, the replacement for Steve Gutenberg in the later

character. Thank you. Five answer. Five answer. I was like, this guy's going to be a star as big as Steve Gutenberg. That's my first podcast tape. And then in one of the TV adaptations, he played ex-leas dad. Matt McCoy is Matt McCoy. No except for Craig. There's a couple other stuff. Alan Graff is the wife Peter in the beginning. Yeah. I feel like he might have been in the most rewatchable. He's a legend in the world in the country. Yeah. So coordinator and second

unit director. But yes, he has been killed in 74 rewatchables. But I know that we have the same winner for this. Mixed I did. Do you have Thomas Arana? What part was he? He's one of Dudley's henchmen who's in. He's the fucking guy at the end of Huntverachtober. And he's Russell Crow's homey and gladiator. And he's in limitless. So great choice. But that was not who I had. There's another one. John

for us. John for John. Yeah. That's who I have. John for us. I always think you're talking about Paul

Gilfoyle. The guy driving the armor truck and heat is one of the guys that get in the prison fight with. Wait. Yeah. The first guy is driving the car. Oh my god. Are you serious? Yeah. Yeah. The guy who's like a. The guy's driving the armor truck. He looks over and sees the truck and does this. Yeah. Yeah. The first guy in that. Yeah. Yeah. Cousin art. You know. I can't believe you didn't notice that. I'm sorry. I mean, this is why you're human. I

I say I want to look. I'm talking on for October gladiator. What about Tom Hohn? Who's the

place chiefs of police. He was he was. He was American president, Armageddon, Zodiac and Austin Powers 2. He was NATO Colonel. He was Earth Corps ship commander and something. And famously, he was the LMU coach in the Hank Gather story. Oh. I just put that into people. Who was the LMU coach? Was that some of your famous? Who was their office? Paul Westett. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. There you go. But again. So that guy. He's

typecast, but in a good way. And he's telling his wife. Yeah. There's this new Tom

“Quincy. Yes. This is part for the general. I think I'm going to get it. I mean,”

they're just kind of knows. Yeah. I mean, one of the chiefs of staff, or I'm chairman of the chief staff. No matter what. Joe Baker Hall is busy. That's that guy. Yeah. Who do you have for Dan Wader? See, I think this is straight there. Adam as well unless you wanted to throw some Dick Stenzlin at me. I've heard Simon Baker in here as well. Early Simon Baker. First Simon Baker actually. So that he has a different name.

Three. That's always three off of it. Yes, movie.

Did get my wife's attention when he came on is, you know, big double words, Prada. Sure. Hard for him. Put it with a mentalist. We can mention it. Never watch him. Okay. Recast and catch director, city, didn't anybody have anything else for that? We are going to talk about this. What do you got? I want to talk something out here. Yeah. For deadly, possibly.

Oh, who's point. Actually, Irish. Authentically, Irish. Yeah.

“Oh, if there's a hell, your mother's in it. Unquestionably,”

fucking evil. The second you see him. No, he's like, what a nice guy. Small, though, of stature. That's not not of charisma. But is closer to like what Dudley was, which was just like very sinister. You think postuate communicates evil right away. Yeah, don't you? I mean, I know that you shared it on. It's like, yeah, the name of the father. He's so more. But he's coming off the lawyer and

usual suspects. Oh, yeah, I'll go by Aussie. Yeah. Come on. That. Yeah. That's good. And then I have to cross. Chromwell. He keeps growing in my estimation. He's like, six out of like, six out of my mouth. He's a wimp. Yeah. The only other ones I had was a. How about Campbell Scott or Josh Charles is actually? Oh, good choices. Is bail too young at this point? I'm just trying to get a American a job. Oh, I see what you're doing. So Damon,

it should just be Damon. Okay. He could have done this talent to mr. Ripley, goodwill hunting and rounders on a row. Would have been like, oh my god, the North Dakota goat is here. Good. Good. Yeah. I like that. It's one year after Larry Flint. So Edward is a possibility. And he, you know, Ed Norton. That's a

“really good one. That's an agreement. That's why I'm here. So Ed Norton was”

American history X and rounders in 97. So would not have been available for this movie, but would have been a really good actually. I think so. Ed Burns. Year before saving private Ryan, she's the one. Is that 96? Yeah. I don't know. Ed Burns is actually Ed Burns was a hard-boiled detective in a TV show like seven years ago. What was that show? Yeah. What was that show called? Great question. I watched some of that show.

Was he a detective? Yeah. Obviously, Ed Burns, Lionel and he got stock for like, Andy, you have a Flex category. I do. I was a show comes at public morals. Yeah. My Flex category is probably, let me find it, but it was, you could probably, good of guess that I would have chosen this. I chose the bigger Huna Burger category. Mm. But I, I don't know if I did it right. So there are a couple of opportunities to

discuss food and drink in this movie. How much time do we have left? Right. I mean, generally, I, this may be this also goes into the Floyd Gundal Lee. Like, I, I get, I really like movies is set in era when there are no choices in liquor stores. You're walking and you say, give me a box. And in that box, I want Jin's, Scotch and vodka. You guys are like, okay. I don't know what the hold-up is, too.

Like, I feel like he could have been doing this more quickly since there were no other options. It's also just like great to go into stores where people are just dexed to you from by the counter. Like, we're just like, yeah, don't worry about a yelp review man. No way.

I always say 50. I feel like Nick from Nick's liquor is entire performance with ADR

for some reason. You never see his face. You know, it always sounds like a very strong voice. Also speaking of drinks, I really feel like stenciling, you know, probably is correctly labeled as a melt content, and maybe not a good cop. Pretty fun. Parties, considering his mixology abilities, when which he takes dark liquor and light liquor and just pours them into the place. Yeah, not at the same time. Shout out for Mosa, which still exists. So they're going to

good meal there. I don't think you can like Johnny Sampanato have a daytime schlitz there and just with the company of your own thoughts, which I did enjoy. And then the only other food really mentioned in the film is Matt Reynolds last meal, which is pretty iconic. It's a Frank further, French fries, alcohol, and sperm. Tough one. Tough order. It's tough order. But maybe, you know, restaurant menus were different. That's the secret menu it in and out.

We've seen your month is ending. Have faster research. No building in LA back in the day was

led to be taller than City Hall, so they had to basically cheat all the care more work.

So we wouldn't see any buildings at that. So they had the fight scene with guide pairs and Russell Crow. They were shot four months after principal photography ended, and Pierce had shaved this head for another movie, so he's got a wig on. But I didn't really notice the wig when I was watching it. I'm wearing one right now. The cop deck, congratulations. Actually, at the end,

“is Darrell Gates, famously of the LAPD. So we're moving. Cockroaches. Can you say the least?”

Yeah. Not a very strange choice. Not a deal. And then you mentioned the rape victim and as in the movie, um, who then disappears after one more scene in the book, she's huge, huge, and with actually, and they just cut all that out. And works for his dad. Yeah. It's crazy. Um, and then the the level houses here that's patched its own. It's a famous house, as we mentioned. Um, Brackon's house is at 501 Wilcox, which is, which is, uh, we talked about next to the

Wilshire Country Club. Kurt in habit, it's just having a frug accident. Yeah. Sorry, guys. And then, uh, they were going to fall into the trash. And then, uh, the victory motel was built. Yeah. They just like the location. And then they build the angle wood. Yeah. Like the oil fields out there. Yeah. Apex Mountain crow now. Spacey. This is, uh, I think there's a case to be made there. It's either this or American beauty, but I like this because it sets up American beauty. And

I wrote down the lunches. Okay. Guy Pierce, it's Momento. Although it didn't really turn into anything after Momento, like we thought. He's got a great crew. No, but I'm saying after Momento, it's like,

“I think post the brutalist and might be now. I think he is very well regarded as an actor.”

It was a film. Okay. Can you see 24? You start you started brutalist started brutalist. Listen, did you? I think you made the right call. Wow. So it's just two minutes of shameful opinions here. Wow. That movie. Not all of us have to watch every movie. We can pick and choose a movie for best picture. Wasn't like, sir. Sure. He's a shit. But really could have been a TV show. Okay. I will assassinate both of you. He's, tell you what. I have their secret favorite.

I never finished Babylon. My main concern, Sean. I'm with you in terms of Guy Pierce being an

interesting actor who will age into different gravitons. He should probably stay offline. I don't know if you've seen some of his recent retweets and quotes. No. No one's global actions. Let's just say that I, the tenor of his tweets suggests that he was pro Danny DeVito being cast as such. I say would not want someone else cast in that role. Oh, no. I'll throw that out there. Okay. So you want to, you want him, abolish from society. What are you saying? Okay. I just

wanted to take his phone away. Stop. Okay. CDLA noir crime movies Chinatown. Apex Man. Yeah. Gotta be right. Yeah. Basinger. I don't, I weirdly don't think this was a

“pex Mountain for her. I think it was in the 80s during that nine and a half week strike. Did she do the”

get away with this? I think it was nine a half weeks Batman, like that arrow this up with. Some everyone loved her. Some well deserved. She got, she married out Baldwin and I think she, she scaled back a tiny bit after this. But they weren't they married before this movie? They're married during this film. Yeah. I saw no mercy in the theater with my mom. Her next movie was eight mile five years later. Just want to throw that out there. She didn't know what was going to be with

your mom. No mercy with Richard Geer and Kim Basinger, where they're handcuffed together and trying to escape in New Orleans. And there was, I got him that I don't know this movie. It's bad. Um, and then my mom really want to see it. I hadn't been hanging out there and we went. And uh, and there's a point I'm like, wow, this is a weird one is be with my mom. Yeah, I wish kind of wish I wasn't with my mom. It's amazing that just 90 seconds ago you were like, I don't have to

see every movie. But you're telling us about no mercy using no mercy. Here I'm Basinger. Come on. Yeah. Let's turn out imaginary. Fralic for him. Wait, hold on. I have a question. Do you think that eight miles are you watchable? I don't love it. It's interesting time capsule. I don't know if I know. I don't know about it exists, but I wouldn't like get the 4k. I wonder if my just of being a few years younger makes me like that movie a little bit more. You were more

of an out of it. I was more into him. Yeah. He spoke to you. Fralic. Well, that piece with Bob

Deep play in the opening seconds to veto no critical part of the film. Yeah. Evil cramwell.

See Ben evil and I think us. Uh, he's bad bad in a couple of things, but not the devil. What's your

very good in that. But succession was good. And yeah, I really loved him in succession. He's

“I think that's my favorite. Yeah. He's real out of the cramwell. He's hilarious in that,”

because he's his him and Nick was broader genius together. He plays the President in a Jack Ryan movie. Yeah. Yeah. Um, but I think this is like maybe his Black Harrison 4 Jack Ryer, which no, it's uh, the Ben I feel like. Oh, I think he's excellent in this. I probably, I might say this to that toilet face dunking. I still think it's San Elmo's fire. Okay. Um, 50 ZLA. Maybe capture a moving. Gingling a guy out the window to get the window short. Make a mouse.

Do you pretty good one? Oh, yeah. Good call. Yeah. Good. I've got a special big picture episode of toilet dogs. That's a really good for a slow time. Like a June, like two and a half three course. Yeah. I would be ten dollars to watch a man to watch four hours of guys getting dumped into. So we have four hours of that much footage. I gotta say, whenever there's a toilet dunk,

I always think about the actor and if I had been the actor, like, how many times I would have

asked the crew. Are we sure it's clean? Nobody's going to be on this. Yeah. Who cleaned it? Like, I just can't think of anything worse. The San Elmo's fire is a good one because it's like a pretty, like, grungy bathroom. Yeah. Um, Hancock Park movie houses. It's probably the, it's the, it's the Howard Hughes house in the avator. I still feel like that's on the eighth hole. It's on the eighth hole. Well, sure. It's when they land the plane, but he's in that. I feel like that's the very

movie location of all of them. Cruiser Hanks. Oh, wait. Can we do one to apex mountain here? Yeah. For me, this is the apex mountain of guys getting shot in the heart. Like the, the dude, watching the cartoons. Yeah. We'll live rent free in my head forever because of the noises he makes after being shot and the attention paid to Kevin Spacey's post heart shot. It's very good. I feel like they had a shot in the heart. Let's listen to this after the, it's like, you don't even think

we're good. That guy's down. You shot them in the heart. Check it out. I'll show you if it's double tap and then a guy gets a head shot after because when grows like that's a good one when they get

him in the hotel room, but then he gets shot. And what movie was that Chris? Keep. Yeah. Well, first thing

“we have a future sarico or here, Craig Worldbeck. Shot the heart. You die instantly, right?”

No. I don't think you do. Which is why when Russell Crowe shoots him and then go immediately checks his pulse. I guess he wouldn't have a pulse if he was just shot in the heart, but it has been literally like two seconds. Yes. Because we see Spacey die and he gets 20 seconds to deliver the line of rollo. I don't think I would have said it. So they kind of fuck it a little bit. Sometimes you die instantly when you get shot in the heart. Sometimes you don't. It depends if you get

into it. I mean, I think your brain still works. So it's amazing how five doctors here in another hand. Well, look, we're all. How many games could Jason Tatham play after getting shot in the heart? Great. See? Right back at it. Don't tempt OGN and OV is long thing. Cruiser Hanks. Hanks is Hollywood Jack. Cruiser's actually. Cruiser's actually is what I was thinking as well. True. I cruiser's actually was the other choice. So we go cruise.

I think Hanks later Hanks as Dudley. That would be a great twist cast. Because you

Hanks would never go heal like that. What's the closest he could throw to production? No, he did

he did it in on the mission. What's the Wichowski's movie? Cloud Atlas? Cloud Atlas, yeah. Does he play like nine guys like four characters? He does play a bit. He haven't seen it. Did no, did they sort of been good for him? I think for the catalog. He played one villain in the 90s. Well, the other shit he did would have been good. Do you think it would be fun to build watch cloud Atlas? I do think it would be fun. Yeah. I think if we could get some

be how long we'll build last during cloud Atlas would be a better game. I don't think it's your speed.

“And it's like you're not a Hanks completeist. That's what we can say about you. You haven't seen them all.”

I haven't been happy with the 21st century in Hanks. I've been on the record for a while. I know you have as well. I wish he did some different things. Yeah. He's trying a lot of new instruments. They don't all sound good. I think when you fly as close to the sun as he did in the 90s and then with cast a wet on at some point, it's like I've won seven titles. What else do you want? He only seems happy in West Anderson movies now. He's good in those. He's very good. I think he's good at

that in Princeton. Yeah, they're good too. Then we've score sazer spielberg. Clearly score sazer. Yeah, but I do think it would be interesting to see spielberg have the way that this movie excizes some of the gross stuff from LA conventional and also makes the characters a little less. I mean, actually is like lies about his war record and the novel. Like there's a lot of stuff like about these characters that are even worse. But if you kind of like

gave spielberg discreet, I do think it would be good. That being said, he would have cast the video as

It's the right fist. That's a great pair. Oh my god. That's great. That would have been great.

“Sean, for this category, I feel like you have to stand up for like the working director”

like Curtis Hanson. Because again, if it's Scorsese or it's Spielberg, it has a very different point of view. Okay. That's not the game. Yeah. I have to pick one thing I will say about Hanson that he said that I thought was really interesting. As he was like, I like suspense films. And that's not really a word you hear it. Like, we talk about thrillers all the time on show. This is often called a crime movie. This is a suspense movie. The way that like a lot of Alfred Hitchcock films

are where you're just like, really want to know where it's going and what's going to happen. And you're kind of like you're locked in like we're saying there's just not a lot of fat on the movie. And because of that, if you look at almost all of it, the river wild is the same thing. Yeah. Where the whole time you're like, where is this going? You like that movie? The river wild? Yeah. Yeah. I like the remake, too. I watched on Netflix a movie called "Guess Lip" by

My Husband. It's right there in the film. First of all, it was amazing. It was a lifetime

movie. It was number one on Netflix. Had to check it out. And I was just riveted the entire time. What did you think was the suspense film? Or "Guess Lip" by My Husband? The title is "Guess Lip" by My Husband.

“Was this everything I wanted? Did anybody appear in it that we would ever have heard of?”

Didn't recognize one actor? Okay. Will the algorithm on Netflix just roll from this rewatchable as right into that film? Can we arrange for it? What do we do when the after-see our months when "Guess Lip" by My Husband is the next time? Yes. Yes. Letting month is a good idea. You can do the film "Guess Lip" by My Husband. Craig, check it out, Liz. I think you guys need a "Guess Lip" by your hood.

Yeah, she's basically thinks she's going crazy, but he's doing stuff to her. Yeah. And it's actually, it actually would have been a really good movie with better actors. That's my one blurb. I'd like to encourage you to check out the 1940s classic "Guess Lip" light around which this seems to be very clearly. I'm going to do that too. Best hang, worst hang. Best hang. Probably Lynn, can be a singer's character.

Best hang. Go the frolic for him with Hollywood Jack. Pierce Patchett is the best hang. It's cool how it's cool about that. I have to say, "Hero" was going on. It was just on "Hero" in all the time. Yeah, so he's chill. Yeah. Maybe four hours of golf with Pierce Patchett would be fun. We probably ate hours. How did Jack would be like, "I know how to get into all the clubs."

I know it like we go get a nice meal or something like, "Reach the wheels." Yeah. Dudley? No. Best or worse. No. He does like his whiskey from Ireland. Drink it that good line. No is all the secrets of the world. Worst hang. Stenlin. No, no, no, Miss Luffers. Oh, yeah. That's just a dead body. I can't believe it. He's right. Yeah, you're right. Pickin' it. I mentioned the gambling really bothered me, and then there was no gambling in this movie.

Kidney Sam was prettier than Veronica Lake. It's a Veronica Lake research. No, I just think. Hold on. I just think, like, she's right. I just needed to die my hair and I want to give you a hotter than Veronica Lake. I, that's a subjective opinion, right? Like whoever's hotter. She, I don't think she looks like Veronica Lake.

“She wasn't. Nor do I think she acts like Veronica Lake. No. And so she might be the actress who most”

looks like Veronica Lake at that time who would make sense for the movie, but Veronica Lake has said that differently if anyone who went to the movie in 1997, Veronica Lake was, except for like the film nerds. Yeah, but like, even just the way the Veronica Lake, she's a way more playful actor. Yeah. She was like, way funnier and isn't like a lot of light comedy in the 40s. And Kim Bizzinger is not a funny actor at all. No, no. Do you think the lady who's

they think is a Lana Turner look alike, but is Lana Turner in fact looks like Lana Turner? I thought that was pretty good action. Yeah, but it might not win. Lana Turner and Johnny stop and out of, by the way, weren't together until a couple years after this movie wrapped up, which was shaped anything else for nippics. We talked about everything and what's here. There's a lot of

it's actually not that fun to go searching for nits for this movie because there's like a thousand people being like, actually plastic catcha bottles weren't invented into the 70s and actually the books and pierces the case. The only net that I really bugged me on rewatch was

there's the scene where Dudley's like, Edmund lose the glasses. I've never seen a police officer

wearing glasses and then it cuts the stencil and pouring liquor and the first guy with this cup is fucking for us. So I feel like Dudley just left that party. Yeah, come on, SQL prequel Pustige TV all by castron touchable. So in 2020, Brian Hogan in the writer said there was a sequel that was in development with Chadwick Boseman who then got sick and they decided not to taste on an L-Ray novel. It was set in 1974 and Crow and Pierce would have both been in it.

And it just kind of fell apart. Yeah, it was a research that in the Warner Brothers past and he said that

Jenkins for you the florist? Zain Low or somebody else. What do you have here? I just wanted to shout out the other TV pilot. Oh, because there were two, there was one in 2003. You can watch online with key for southern linders. How we would do that. A trio logo during the hate they have trio. The trio's brilliant but canceled when they would do the pilots. Now we're looking at idea by the way. I wish we could. But the one that was for CBS 2019 is pretty compelling because

it was created by a writer named Jordan Harper who wrote a book we love called everybody knows and it was Walden Goggins as Vincent's. It was Shay Wiggum as Stenzlin. Then a bunch of other like good working act like Mark Weber was Bud White and Harper's whole pitch was that he was going to spread out time. And so the night owl wasn't even going to happen until the second season. And that's like you can't well find that one. You can't find it. I've heard that it was very good

and that also CBS never ever would have made it because it was a very strange choice for CBS.

“It's funny. I can do a show like that on Network Television. No. It was an error when I think they”

were taking swings to try like will we become cable or will CBS was like can you move it to Chicago? Is that just a fire department? I mean you can have them never leave the fire department. If we're just called it cops colon Los Angeles. Yeah. It would probably would have been on the false schedule. Sorry dinner. What do you got here? You have Wayne Jenkins, forget the floor saying hello. We've had Wayne every week this month. Dudley man. Here we are from the streets

of Dublin to the boulevard of sunset. The city of Angeles and you. You've always held that badge hard. That's your journey. But now you're on the other side of the law. So tell me. Tell me how you got there. Tell me what you planned to do with all that age. The rackets, the sin, the vice. Just explain it all to me man. Just get a spin. Why did you say you've been doing cops? See? No. It changes his lunched cop talk and it's talking to fictional and non-fiction

cops. Amazing. But he talks about their career on point. Yeah. I mean everything is like as

if they're Harry Styles, you're like you've just eaten all the sounds you feel, you're hearing, you're seeing, you're racing to be Harry. I thought for sure you're going to have a interview this time in Baker character. It's better for you, babe. Matt Reynolds last meal. A hot dog with a top of seam and here you are, man. So close to badge of honor. Okay. It's in the earth. It's in the berthal zone where I can't make eye contact with you when you

start doing stuff. Transform. Have you ever watched the zane interview?

“Yeah, because of Chris. Oh, he encouraged it the same. I didn't tell you you have to watch”

a zane interview. Did I? You tell me to do lots of things. I was like, I was when when when it's when saying like interviewing a Dell or whatever was happening during Kremlin and Julia and Chris were both so into it. They would show it to me and I'd be like, this is nothing to me. I don't know what is interesting about this. It's fine. It's an interview of an artist. I was just walking around the office with just one of the leaders showing it to

the different people. But what you've done with it, you've transformed. And today, the return of that. This is fucking funny. Just went and ask her who gets it. Dante's been naughty. Yeah, fucking blackout here. The cinematographer. I Chris explained it so well, I thought, which is like, how does this movie doesn't look like it's trying to be a 50s movie? It looks like it's trying to be a 90s movie. Titanic one. Yeah, this movie actually won two Oscars and lost

seven in it lost all seven to Titanic. Oh, tough beat. Dante has an incredible incredible

CV, where he's also known as working as being the primary DP for Michael Mann and Brett Retner.

“Yes, he shot parts of Melania. He did Man Hunter and X-Men the last stand. I think I read a”

Q and A with him about Melania, where they're like, what are you doing? And he was like, I'm a working journalist. He didn't read by the New Yorker about it. And he was just he was he wouldn't blink. He was like, yeah, I took the job. I'd take it again. He is, I believe, how old is he? He's currently 80-45. Yeah. It's a very well shot documentary. Probably. It's what questions. You see you haven't finished battle on but you have completed Melania?

I did finish all day in there. I did watch the first 20 minutes. Yeah, but you have a watch guest lip, my husband took the first. That's awesome. Yes, about my husband. If there went to sequel, she's got to remarry have it happened again. Probably not some questions. Actually, like a whiff maybe gay, maybe there's something going on there with him and Bud. What is Lynn

now granted. Lynn it looks great. Yeah, but it's the only time he's interested in that the entire

“movie and it seems directly because of some sort of weird bud thing, but I think it's true. I don't know.”

It kind of by not having him take care of his neck. It also undercuts a little bit of his white night kind of like presentation of the book. I just thought that whole part was weird. Then this is the biggest one to me. Is it a better movie if Bud just dies? Do we need to see him again? It's kind of related to my under answer, but which was what was Bud? Why can't I do to support Lynn in Arizona? What was Lynn going to do is for a dress? The dress store.

She's going to do the dress store. Do you think that's like she's going to pay for the he's going to shut the whole deal. This year's a one day award. What are they doing in Phoenix? He's got a hole in his face. It's what I wonder. Like former call girl. It's the implication that he can't speak anymore because he's a book. He can't talk anymore. Yeah. Wow. And he's really surviving the two gunshots and then the one right to the face from five feet away. That

felt like a note. It wasn't a note, but it felt like what we got to have is like the three good people in this movie handshake at the end. We suppressed to see him in the car, earthian. Yeah. That was my flex. The clearance Worley should have died. I do think he should have died. I wouldn't have been better for his character. Go down a hero. I'm showing him in the car.

“I thought, I think the whole ending, I felt a little deflated at the end of it. Her line at the end”

is like some guys get the girl or whatever. Yeah. So guys get the world on. Just get an ex-hucker and a trip to Arizona. And then you see Russell Crowe. I do feel like it kind of deflated a little bit. I think your badges said that to my Tom on when they're in the state where's football. He's come back. So there's a case that this movie could just end at the hotel. We don't even need the last chance. Yeah, we definitely don't need the the psycho ending with him explaining the entire plot in the

to all the cops. That's that's all right. Every book is like there's a five 10 page scene of like they find the one guy who can explain everything and he does. Is that the all time what did you add this scene, the psycho? Yeah. Person. Like just get that scene out of there. Turn the movie off as soon as people listening, we haven't seen Psycho. They're in the big, um, attempted murder scene at the end, just end the movie. I, I've gone back and forth on the psycho. I want to maybe we can

save it for the psycho episode, but I think the psycho episode, I love that movie. I have that would be

“great if you want to do Psycho. I love Psycho, but I don't think the way you acted is if you didn't”

just suggest it. Well, I never actually thought we were going to film. He planted this suggestion and

then made the other person think they thought it was. But 1960, we don't do movies that far back historically, but I would love to do that. But there's two things going on in the movies that we've done see our mother. Don't you want to do vertigo? Yeah, vertigo talked about for a while. That's but that's like the hornese r hornie bill hall. Speaking of cutting women to look like other women, that's a part of vertigo as well. Speaking, that's not like a big pastime of mine is

cutting women to make them look like. You know, the psycho thing, the thing that's like it was the psychiatrist explaining normen beads, that part is terrible. That's what I mean. But the cutaway to normen at the end with the fly and him like the voice of this head, that part is great. I was talking about the doctor explaining the four minutes. Yeah. I had a problem, hands. What he got? Do you think it would be more entertaining if Shams adopted Sid's writing style?

Word around the forum is that Lucas Slovenian sweetheart is taking his kids back to the motherland. But while the baby mama is away, the cat will average 34 points again. Hashtag, Shams. Hush. Again, Shams is now portrayed by Robert Losey, which is problematic. Problematic. Can we get a problematic? Can Shams can we add Shams to the winch in the same way? But Shams, Shams, Hujans? Yeah. This is great. This is what Shams needed. Yeah.

Reboot. Little boosts. Instead of him, like going on first take in these shows, he could just

that could be his little video thing. Everybody in Boston is talking about whether the two jays will be able to share the ball and what it means for the two p's paint and Richard. Don't mess up, Shams. Why is this Robert Losey? What's Robert Losey as Shams as the Shams. That's my YouTube video voice. You can do better than me. Workshop. Secret handshake club member Billy and one from this movie. It's got to be the

night owl coffee bug, right? I had really to mossy. I guess is that two big? What is it though? I don't know because I was talking about Billy. Yeah. You got to be the night owl that we could each share and if one of us is killed, that's pretty good. We should come up with that. There wasn't like, was there a match is from the victory hotel. I had Jack Vincent's tortoise shell sunglasses, which I think are so, but this is different than memorabilia.

Okay. So if I just had a night owl coffee bug, and you were like,

is that LA confidential? It's like one of those. You almost have to get it. So you haven't seen me leaving Florida leave business cards at your house. Florida leave business cards. That's another one. I got to go one. The opening scene of the movie, the opening montage, they show you a hush hush magazine cover that says the line that the video says in the beginning of the movie of

“"Ongenew Dikes in Hollywood." That would be mine. The hush hush magazine. Where would you leave that frame or after all?”

Just remember the stack of regular magazines and the radio or the radio. Just imagine Billy getting "Ongenew Dikes in Hollywood" served him on Netflix. I'm searching for it tonight on eBay. It just be like, "Kath. All right. I'm just going to watch Babel on the bucket." The truth was too long. You guys laugh, but put on gaslight by my husband, get gaslight. 10 minutes. You can see if you're still watching. It would be a good bit for you, Sean.

Like, we're all on the other side. You're logging it. Yeah. Is there a sequel this? Have you been funny? You just logged it out of nowhere. I'll watch it. I look. I'll watch anything. I don't care. What's number one on Netflix that had my attention? Coach Finstuck, Mr. Miyagi, where a best-worst life lesson, some men get the world. Others get ex-hokers in a trip to Arizona.

It's pretty good life lesson. Best double feature choice. We have Chinatown. Who framed Roger Rabbit, which is a similarly a movie about this period in history, post-war detectives trying to solve a big cover-up, but also a kind of a parable about the building of the highways and controls the ways and means of the city? Wouldn't war would you put up with this in a lonely place? That's a great one. That one's a little Hollywood inside. That's such a

evil for that. That's good. Not so good. Not an LA movie. I would also say, as a kind of museum piece, more than an enjoyable movie. The Brian DePaul and this Black Dahlia, which there is now legendarily a director's cut. I don't know if that's true or not. But they're Dahlia heads out there.

“I mean, Black Dahlia is an incredible novel. That's how for the movie. And I think there are”

people who are like directors cut that would hold that hope. Yeah. So I think a really good clot semi-classic more, not as seen as some of the best known ones that would be good for this is the Blue Dahlia, which is features Veronica Lake. Alan Ladd is the star. It's about a guy who comes home from Warwar 2 and takes a trip to Los Angeles. And it's the only original screenplay that Raymond Chandler ever wrote. And he was nominated for Academy Award for it. And it's like,

it's a pretty good movie. It's not considered on that like Bogart class of Norris, but I really like it.

I have a double-feature guest lit by my husband. That's good. I watch it first though, and then

go and now I come. If you're going to step up in lonely place. But you said it wasn't good enough. We won the movie. I'll tell you remember it. Now you guys are turning at each other. I'm trying for it for two hours. I mean, Kirst handsome. Come back to me. Actually, handsome and elegant. I feel like, I feel like Pro has been minimized. We have not talked about. You might be right. Pro is the answer. Kind of won this movie.

Pro wins the movie because it sets up 10 years of Russell Crowe being one of the biggest stars we have.

“And if you have to start with this, it still matters. Like as little as it happens where it's like”

you go to a movie and you don't really know this person, you leave the movie only talking about this person. Yeah, that's true. And being like, oh, this is a new thing in my life. It's a breakout. Yeah, what are we going to do with this next? How are we going to see him next? Who's going to harness this rage and this surprisingly modest frame. I think he needs it for the IMDB. Like just a collage of work. This is a good one of the throw in there. Good then he's got gladiator.

And of course, everything peaks. I just have a beautiful mind. The writers just keep this going on adaptable book and they made. Yeah, it's true. A great script out of it. That's fair. All right. Here we go. Here's some Craig. What do you got? I don't want to get crushed for this. You know, like it.

No, I like it. I like it. I love it. I liked it. I didn't love it. And I do, it's always tough.

Every time I listen to you guys by the end of it, I'm like, wow, I maybe that was way better than I thought. But in the moment, I thought the lead three actors were great. I thought the story was really interesting. I don't know. It felt just like a little cheesy to me and the dial. I had trouble with a lot of the dialogue. And I don't know if it's just great actors, tough dialogue or if that is kind of the style of the noir, 50s world they're building. And that's the way it's supposed to be. But when it wasn't

Pierce Russell Crowe or Spacey and it was like the Vito or the conveysinger mixed in with some of the dialogue, I had trouble kind of like fully get my hands dirty with it. That's when you're in Stewart's mock drafts. No, no, no, no, no. There are a couple. Like there are a couple lines that like are a little clunky or than I remember them being like when when X Lee's trying to get Jack to go and Jack's like, are you ready to pay the consequences? Yeah, which I don't think is

some stuff and then I was like, oh, wow, this is Library of Congress is saving this movie, preserving this film and everyone's like greatest movie ever made. And I was like, oh, maybe I

“I'm missing something and you to watch it again. I mean, I see what he's saying. Okay, I think it's a second”

watch movie that I think the second time when you don't, you're not so worried about following every one of the nuts happening and you're just watching it for the actors and the choices. It's a different movie. But not only is it a 30 year old movie, but the de lexicon of the film is 75 years ago. So it's like basically a Western to you. You know, my thing when I saw the movie, I was relatively film a literate of old movies and I hadn't seen the noirs that it was influenced

by. And so my relationship with this movie has deepened because of what it sent me back. That was

probably how I felt about Chinatown. I saw it. Whereas like, yeah, this is so incredible. And then

you go back and watch 40s and 50s movies and you're like, oh, it's style of acting and the style of the performance. One thing that's not where there is a lot of people have tried and failed to make movies like this. Like, I think this is one of the high degree difficulty. I can see what they're going for, but that just didn't work or they cast them around person or they had the feel for it. It's only a couple that have actually made it. Or we're tried to be about too much. Like this

is going to the TV point. Like the smartest decision they made was the one that was harshest, maybe for L. Roy Superheads, which is if it's not about these three guys and their journey with this one case, it's not the movie. What was that one F like made? It wasn't L.A., but it was in the mid 2010s. They lived the gangster movie for the Deadland. I'm talking about, it was sent and they

live by night. Oh, live by night. But that's an example of like, when you go way back and you're

really going for 30s, right? Yeah, I don't, yeah. Good book. I like F like, I don't know if that movie totally worked. But Hollywood land would actually be an interesting double feature with this because that's sort of about a similar all of that. I'll tell you later in like sort of mid late 50s. This is a movie where I fully just copped to having on my 15-year-old glasses. Where in '97 you went through some of the movies, like I made a much longer list of movies,

all of which I tried to see or saw in movie theaters that like, totally switched me on. I was voraciously consuming movie magazines. It was the game. It was the game. It was Kronenberg's crashes that year. Contact is that year. Private parts, the Howard Stern movie, Night Falls on Manhattan, the Lou Met movie. I know what you did last summer. Wack the dog. We mentioned in and out in the company of men was a huge movie that year. Yeah, um event Ryzen and

Lyre Lyre, like all of those movies. I was, it's really just starting to go crazy with the perfect, right? I was like, I was like, I'm so mean and everything's right. Good. Same thing. Yeah.

“That's why I still support karate kid, all those purple rain Inspector Todd. Yeah, 15. I”

think is the key movie year. I even thought it happened my son a little bit. So your brain is just developed enough that you can start actually understanding movies and you think you're smarter than you are. That's what, and this movie is a really good, like, you're a grown-up now. Yes, movie is that fair. But it'll be interesting to watch Ben's taste development because we had video stories and what was in the theaters. Ben has everything that's ever been made.

Like a speaker. So when are we going to have maybe Zane can interview Ben? Ben, you fell in love with Cuba. So when you see Projectile Mary, you see an as a copy of a copy. That's it for CR but yeah. Wow. We did it five movies in a mail bag. Unbelievable. Thanks, guys. Thanks, favorite rewatchables, but I think a lot of bangers. I'm sorry. I couldn't close it out strong for you, but it's okay. I'm sorry. I got a great time. Um, what were the highlights?

A definitely Matt Reynolds' last meal. The highlights were getting to finally do

Cicario and getting to podcast with my guys, you know. What do you think of all this? As someone who's known him longer than anybody? What does that mean? Well, no, I think it's it should ask that like Zane. What do you think of the artist? Every month of my life for the last 30 years has been CR month. So it's just nice to see everyone else catch up. Did you guys know each other with this movie came out? Yes. Yeah, we this is our 30th anniversary this year.

Oh, that's sweet, Emily. But we didn't see this movie together. You were, you were, he was probably at parties. 97? I was probably going to see her. Who would you hold good son style if they're both hanging on a cliff and you had to save what you could only just drink to save one. I've green walled in Shawn. Yeah. It's tough question. I've lived very well. Save him for April. I'm younger. Yeah. Shawn is more to give. My mom is furious that we didn't do any in the Cruisers.

Well, we could still do it. Yeah. Now holding a hostage for the XCR month or yeah.

“Will there be another CR month? I think every March should be CR month. That's why we wouldn't do”

that. That's exciting. March madness. Yeah. It's kind of 15o in CR month. I'm glad that there's a 31 day month. It's not like women's history months. Yeah. Yeah. This is good. We flew the cramp five boys, one of the reasons we did. I mean, the next when we do from Hell month, I think that's going to

Oh, fuck. Can we do a perfect getaway from from Hell? No. Okay. That's no art. Wait. It's break down the

“Timothy's or down from hell. Trucker from hell. But isn't that dual? No, but break down. It's different.”

I mean, I love break down and I love J. You know what I'm saying? I'm a huge fan.

Another another similar Curtis Hansen style guy. I'm Jonathan Masto made down one. My favorite one

that's on the from Hell month, schedule is domestic disturbance with John Trouble to Vince Vaughn, you know, evil stepfather. Who's who? Remember this at all? Who's the evil stepfather? Vince Vaughn

is the evil second husband to Terry Polo. Oh, John Trouble who's the first husband and he thinks

something's up with this guy. It's a, you guys didn't notice that. There's something up. It's domestic

“disturbance Harold Becker. I think it is. I think the perfect getaway show is from Hell. It's the”

people we meet on vacation from hell. Oh, you're talking about the Steve's on one. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I like that movie. I love that movie. Yeah. It's a good one. Good little. You're familiar with that one, Andy? No, I love this is like seen under the hood. It's a really good twist. This is how it gets made. Don't spoil it. Good wife movie. It's good to go on location. This is a perfect getaway with Steve's on. You know what I'm talking about. You told him why we should go to Hawaii. We should go to Hawaii.

Record it there. Could we do a live show in Hawaii getting left out? Yeah. Sounds great. Great display on earth. Hopefully it is. It's not awesome. All right. See you on my thanks Craig. Thanks guys. Thank you for coming out. Eduardo as well and everybody else at the ringer. Great to be in here in the studio. We'll do any time we have three or less we're doing we're doing my

“studio. Yeah, it's, it's just, but I thought for four. I thought this was good. How did it feel?”

It felt great. It's like riding a bike. You can listen to the four or an idea in the watch. See our show on a big picture and we'll see you in April when we watch this.